From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 16 17:13:30 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11476 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05200; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:12:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05172; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05158; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (130.88.200.93 -> serenity.mcc.ac.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:12:48 -0500 Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk ([130.88.200.20] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for drums@cs.utk.edu id 129xug-000MnT-00; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:12:46 +0000 Received: from clw.cs.man.ac.uk (clerew.man.ac.uk [194.66.22.208]) by nessie.mcc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA44293 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:12:44 GMT (envelope-from chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clw.cs.man.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA24229 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:04:22 GMT Message-Id: <200001162004.UAA24229@clw.cs.man.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:04:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Lindsey Reply-To: Charles Lindsey Subject: References, and also dtext To: drums@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: /cTjLHBn47r3m5cabneXAQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 CDE Version 1.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4m sparc List-Unsubscribe: 1. I see there has been recent discussion of trimming References when they get too long. Here is the paragraph that will be appearing in the next draft of the Usenet-Format document: Followup agents SHOULD NOT trim message identifiers out of a References header unless the number of message identifiers exceeds 21, at which time trimming SHOULD be done by removing sufficient identifiers starting with the second so as to bring the total down to 21. However, it would be wrong to assume that References headers containing more than 21 message identifiers will not occur. 2. There is a serious discrepancy in the current draft for References between the syntax as proposed for mail, and that used in Netnews (as mandated by RFC 1036). In news, the references is a sequence of msg-ids separated by at least one space, as in "References: <1234@foo.com> <5678@bar.com>". Apparently many newsreaders barf if that space is absent. MESSFOR, OTOH, asks for [CFWS] at that point, which allows no space at all. May I suggest it needs to be CFWS. AIUI the References header is an import into mail from news (AIUI), so it really ought to follow the news precedent. The current text in preparation for the next USEFOR draft contains: References-content = msg-id *( CFWS msg-id ) I did mention this problem to Pete some while back, but I don't know whether he has fixed it or not. 3. I just spotted a possible bug/misfeature in the syntax of dtext (as used in domain-literals in addr-specs and in no-fold-literals in msg-ids). It allows a dtext to include a naked, unescaped DQUOTE, even though a quoted-pair is always allowed as an alternative, so that an unescaped DQUOTE is never required. In any case, wny ever should anyone ever want a DQUOTE in a domain-literal in the first place? The problem, of course, is that it makes parsing a nightmare. Currently, you can have a quoted-string (which can contain naked, unmatched '(' and ')'), and you can have a comment (which can contain naked, unescpaed DQUOTES). So to parse a structured field (to identify the comments, for example) you proceed until you see a DQUOTE, at which point you hurry on to the next unescaped DQUOTE paying no special attention to any '('. Alternatively, if you see a '(' you hurry on to the matching ')' paying no special attention to any DQUOTE. But you can't do that if DQUOTE is allowed in dtext - you than have to watch out for matching '[' and ']' as well. Was RFC 822 like that? And if so, could that facility perhaps be demoted to obsolete syntax. I am sure noone evers uses it. Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Email: chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Voice/Fax: +44 161 437 4506 Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 26 23:00:14 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA17525 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28195; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:59:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28072; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from episteme-software.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28054; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from episteme-software.com (206.139.85.98 -> resnick1.qualcomm.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:59:31 -0500 Received: from resnick2.qualcomm.com (206.139.85.99) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0b5); Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:58:01 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 4.3a?] Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:58:00 -0600 To: DRUMS-Last-Call:; From: Pete Resnick Subject: Small changes in -msg-fmt-08 Cc: DRUMS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" List-Unsubscribe: I've sent out the post-Last-Call document. It is, as usual, out on my Web server until it gets posted. See: Mostly typographical, grammatical, and simplification recommendations by Graham Klyne and Keith Moore, and a couple of other folks. I don't think any should be controversial; please send to the DRUMS main list if there are. Other than typos and strictly grammatical changes, here's the list: Throughout: Change references from BCP 14 to RFC 2119 and ABNF to RFC 2234 1.2 Clarify last paragraph before the note 2.2: Strike first sentence; Clarify folding note 3.2.3: Simplify CFWS to *([FWS] comment) [FWS]; Remove 127 from ctext 3.2.5: Remove 127 from qtext 3.2.6: Remove 127 from unstructured; Added utext 3.3: No [FWS] required after day-of-week, year, day; Clarify time zone description 3.4: Simplify sentence 2 of "Note:"; Clarify use of named list 3.4.1: Remove 127 from dtext; Clarify domain portion paragraph 3.5: 998 maximum a MUST, not a MAY 3.6.2: Fourth sentence - change "may" to "MAY"; Add to end of Reply description 3.6.3: Clarify reply text in last paragraph before the note 3.6.4: Rewrote In-Reply-To and References discussion (did *not* include the bit about removal of long entries or space between ids); Added last paragraph 4: Clarify first paragraph; Clarify folding comment 4.1: Added obs-utext 4.3: Rewrote alphabetic time zone text; Clarified last paragraph 4.4: obs-local-part now contains word instead of atom; Added last paragraph 5. Added to first paragraph Examples: Changed date examples from 1869 to 1969 -- Pete Resnick Eudora Engineering - QUALCOMM Incorporated Ph: (217)337-6377 or (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 26 23:01:34 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA17620 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28424; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:01:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28407; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from episteme-software.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28384; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from episteme-software.com (206.139.85.98 -> resnick1.qualcomm.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:01:26 -0500 Received: from resnick2.qualcomm.com (206.139.85.99) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0b5); Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:01:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000401bf5235$93301750$de9568d8@bliksim.augusta.ipswitch.com> References: <000401bf5235$93301750$de9568d8@bliksim.augusta.ipswitch.com> X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 4.3a?] Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:01:23 -0600 To: "Mark Symons" From: Pete Resnick Subject: Re: DRUMS Various Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" List-Unsubscribe: Catching up..... On 12/29/99 at 2:47 PM -0500, Mark Symons wrote: >A couple of things: > >1) drums-msg-fmt-07 states in Section #3.4.1, Addr-spec specification: > ># The local-part portion [...] > >Is it just me, or does this not need a bit of >amplification/explanation? ie, any limitations or gotchas? I'd rather not change that without specific reason and recommended text. >2) I would like to see a Table of Contents in the next version of >the msg-fmt draft. drums-smtpupd-10 does this great. I will do this after the IESG pass on the document. pr -- Pete Resnick Eudora Engineering - QUALCOMM Incorporated Ph: (217)337-6377 or (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 28 06:42:14 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA05714 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10694; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:41:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10675; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10662; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (132.151.1.176 -> odin.ietf.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:41:09 -0500 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA05529; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:41:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001281141.GAA05529@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce:; Cc: drums@cs.utk.edu From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-drums-msg-fmt-08.txt Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:41:05 -0500 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Detailed Revision/Update of Message Standards Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Message Format Author(s) : P. Resnick Filename : draft-ietf-drums-msg-fmt-08.txt Pages : 31 Date : 27-Jan-00 This standard specifies a syntax for text messages that are sent between computer users, within the framework of 'electronic mail' messages. This standard supersedes the one specified in Request For Comments 822, 'Standard for the Format of ARPA Internet Text Messages' [RFC-822], updating it to reflect current practice and incorporating incremental changes that were specified in other RFCs [STD-3]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-drums-msg-fmt-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-drums-msg-fmt-08.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000127125821.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-drums-msg-fmt-08.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-drums-msg-fmt-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000127125821.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 28 07:13:54 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06356 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12291; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:12:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12274; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12260; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (130.88.200.93 -> serenity.mcc.ac.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:12:51 -0500 Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk ([130.88.200.20] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for drums@cs.utk.edu id 12EAGf-000BtY-00; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:12:49 +0000 Received: from clw.cs.man.ac.uk (clerew.man.ac.uk [194.66.22.208]) by nessie.mcc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA71440 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:12:47 GMT (envelope-from chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clw.cs.man.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA04792 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:05:09 GMT Message-Id: <200001281105.LAA04792@clw.cs.man.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:05:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Lindsey Reply-To: Charles Lindsey Subject: Some small bugs? To: DRUMS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: ybGbG0xAw5518ZYlt9lMkQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 CDE Version 1.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4m sparc List-Unsubscribe: Just been looking at what can follow a colon in a field-name, and found a few surprises. Surely one expects at least a single SP to be allowed, if not more (news insists on that SP, but that is a separate discussion). If seems that the following are not allowed by the syntax: From: Joe Doe Keywords: foobar I think a [CFWS] is needed in front of a display-name, and in a keywords. Or else you allow it at the start of any phrase. Also, now comments are outlawed from a date-time (except at the end) you cannot write Date: (a comment) Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:58:00 -0600 (another comment) I am not over concerned about that one (and I certainly don't want comments _inside_ a date-time), but is that what was intended? Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Email: chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Voice/Fax: +44 161 437 4506 Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 28 11:40:33 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18214 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03915; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:40:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03887; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from episteme-software.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03874; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from episteme-software.com (206.139.85.98 -> resnick1.qualcomm.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:40:05 -0500 Received: from resnick2.qualcomm.com (206.139.85.99) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0b5); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:38:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200001281105.LAA04792@clw.cs.man.ac.uk> References: <200001281105.LAA04792@clw.cs.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 4.3a?] Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:38:24 -0600 To: Charles Lindsey From: Pete Resnick Subject: Re: Some small bugs? Cc: DRUMS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" List-Unsubscribe: On 1/28/00 at 11:05 AM +0000, Charles Lindsey wrote: >If seems that the following are not allowed by the syntax: > >From: Joe Doe > >Keywords: foobar > >I think a [CFWS] is needed in front of a display-name, and in a keywords. Or >else you allow it at the start of any phrase. A display-name, like the contents of the Keywords field, is a phrase. A phrase is one or more words. A word is an atom or a quoted-string. Both atom and quoted-string start with optional CFWS. All perfectly legal. >Also, now comments are outlawed from a date-time (except at the end) >you cannot >write > >Date: (a comment) Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:58:00 -0600 (another comment) > >I am not over concerned about that one (and I certainly don't want comments >_inside_ a date-time), but is that what was intended? Yes. pr -- Pete Resnick Eudora Engineering - QUALCOMM Incorporated Ph: (217)337-6377 or (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 28 11:54:31 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18777 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05361; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:54:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05337; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from episteme-software.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05314; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from episteme-software.com (206.139.85.98 -> resnick1.qualcomm.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:54:09 -0500 Received: from resnick2.qualcomm.com (206.139.85.99) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0b5); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:54:08 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 4.3a?] Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:54:07 -0600 To: DRUMS-Last-Call:; From: Pete Resnick Subject: Substantive typo in -msg-fmt-08 Cc: DRUMS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" List-Unsubscribe: I don't know how I did this; it will be fixed before release. CFWS = *([FWS] comment) [FWS] is wrong. It should be: CFWS = *([FWS] comment) FWS I'm sorry about that. Thanks to Russ Allbery for catching it. pr -- Pete Resnick Eudora Engineering - QUALCOMM Incorporated Ph: (217)337-6377 or (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 28 12:59:10 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21721 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11662; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:58:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11644; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from episteme-software.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11631; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from episteme-software.com (206.139.85.98 -> resnick1.qualcomm.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:58:55 -0500 Received: from resnick2.qualcomm.com (206.139.85.99) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0b5) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:58:53 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 4.3a?] Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:58:51 -0600 To: DRUMS-Last-Call:; From: Pete Resnick Subject: Re: Substantive typo in -msg-fmt-08 Cc: DRUMS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" List-Unsubscribe: On 1/28/00 at 10:54 AM -0600, I wrote: >It should be: > >CFWS = *([FWS] comment) FWS Which, of course, is also wrong. (*Sigh*) I will go back to the -07 form, which is still correct. pr -- Pete Resnick Eudora Engineering - QUALCOMM Incorporated Ph: (217)337-6377 or (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 28 15:38:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26533 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25459; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:37:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25404; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25388; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:37:39 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00242; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:38:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001282038.PAA00242@astro.cs.utk.edu> X-URI: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: Charles Lindsey cc: DRUMS Subject: Re: Some small bugs? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:05:09 GMT." <200001281105.LAA04792@clw.cs.man.ac.uk> X-SUBJECT-MSG-FROM: Charles Lindsey Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:38:27 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: > Also, now comments are outlawed from a date-time (except at the end) > you cannot write > Date: (a comment) Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:58:00 -0600 (another comment) we should at least allow the comment at the end. Keith From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 28 22:13:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02435 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15673; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:13:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15655; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15633; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (130.88.200.93 -> serenity.mcc.ac.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:13:16 -0500 Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk ([130.88.200.20] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for drums@cs.utk.edu id 12EOJw-0007gl-00; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 03:13:08 +0000 Received: from clw.cs.man.ac.uk (clerew.man.ac.uk [194.66.22.208]) by nessie.mcc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02298 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 03:13:06 GMT (envelope-from chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clw.cs.man.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA06936 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:11:17 GMT Message-Id: <200001281911.TAA06936@clw.cs.man.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:11:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Lindsey Reply-To: Charles Lindsey Subject: Re: Some small bugs? To: DRUMS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: vGScUPzS7Yr0m2aquUdjfw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 CDE Version 1.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4m sparc List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:38:24 -0600 Pete Resnick said... > > > On 1/28/00 at 11:05 AM +0000, Charles Lindsey wrote: > > >I think a [CFWS] is needed in front of a display-name, and in a keywords. Or > >else you allow it at the start of any phrase. > > A display-name, like the contents of the Keywords field, is a phrase. > A phrase is one or more words. A word is an atom or a quoted-string. > Both atom and quoted-string start with optional CFWS. All perfectly > legal. Fair enough. I see it now. > > >Date: (a comment) Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:58:00 -0600 (another comment) > > > >I am not over concerned about that one (and I certainly don't want comments > >_inside_ a date-time), but is that what was intended? > > Yes. Again, fair enough if that was the intent. Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Email: chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Voice/Fax: +44 161 437 4506 Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 29 09:12:29 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19827 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18086; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:12:18 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18071; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:12:17 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id JAA19108 for dist-drums@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from munnari.OZ.AU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25445; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 01:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from munnari.OZ.AU (128.250.1.21 -> munnari.OZ.AU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jan 2000 01:34:28 -0500 Received: from mundamutti.cs.mu.OZ.AU ([128.250.1.5]) by munnari.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.59) id GA02716; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:34:18 +1100 (from kre@munnari.OZ.AU) From: Robert Elz To: Pete Resnick Cc: DRUMS Subject: Re: Substantive typo in -msg-fmt-08 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:58:51 MDT." Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:34:17 +1100 Message-Id: <7324.949127657@munnari.OZ.AU> Sender: kre@munnari.OZ.AU List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:58:51 -0600 From: Pete Resnick Message-ID: | Which, of course, is also wrong. (*Sigh*) | | I will go back to the -07 form, which is still correct. But bog ugly and almost unfathomable. The intent is that there must be at least one FWS or comment, but can be any number, in any order, right? Wouldn't just CFWS = 1*(comment / FWS) do that? kre From owner-drums@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 30 07:13:30 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07698 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 07:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24590; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 07:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 Jan 2000 07:12:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24571; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 07:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24558; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 07:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (130.88.200.94 -> probity.mcc.ac.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jan 2000 07:12:51 -0500 Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk ([130.88.200.20] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for drums@cs.utk.edu id 12EtDl-0003Ry-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:12:49 +0000 Received: from clw.cs.man.ac.uk (clerew.man.ac.uk [194.66.22.208]) by nessie.mcc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA32531 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:12:47 GMT (envelope-from chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clw.cs.man.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA13454 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 09:38:14 GMT Message-Id: <200001300938.JAA13454@clw.cs.man.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 09:38:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Lindsey Reply-To: Charles Lindsey Subject: Re: Some small bugs? To: DRUMS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: Bv1+32BEBURO13iiVjUgKw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 CDE Version 1.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4m sparc List-Unsubscribe: > X-URI: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ > From: Keith Moore > To: Charles Lindsey > cc: DRUMS > Subject: Re: Some small bugs? > X-SUBJECT-MSG-FROM: Charles Lindsey > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:38:27 -0500 > List-Unsubscribe: > > > Date: (a comment) Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:58:00 -0600 (another comment) > > we should at least allow the comment at the end. > Sure, but the present syntax allows that (but not the first one). It seems fine to leave it do. Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Email: chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Voice/Fax: +44 161 437 4506 Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5