Subject: 6. Solutions - Replacing SMTP - GIEIS (was Re: [Asrg] Re: 'GIEIS' - The Fourth Response (Esa Laitinen))

From: Yakov Shafranovich <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:32:27 -0400

Mr. McCarron,

Case in point:

On July 1st EU countries started charging VAT taxes on most digital 
transactions performed by non-EU companies to EU consumers. EU laws seem to 
apply here to companies outside the jurisdiction of the EU.

At 03:59 PM 7/3/2003 +0000, Mark McCarron wrote:

>This post refers to the 'GIEIS' system.  This can be viewed at:
>
>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/giza.necropolis
>
>Esa, I will be in Tampere in two weeks time to discuss 'GIEIS' with 
>potential buyers.  ;-)
>
>It may be illegal to port scan from Finland, however, it is not illegal to 
>port scan from outside of Finland.  Finland's laws only apply within its 
>own legal jurisdiction.  I can quite legally conducts scans from other 
>countries.
>
>Mark McCarron.
>
>
>
>>Message: 18
>>Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:13:38 +0300
>>From: Esa Laitinen <[email-masked]>
>>To: [email-masked]
>>Subject: Re: [Asrg] 'GIEIS' - The Fourth Response
>>
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>>On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 03:28:51AM +0000, Mark McCarron wrote:
>> > It is worth addressing.  A port scan only tests for basic security and=20
>> > access to a system.  It is hardly a physical assault, also, coming from a=
>>=20
>> > trusted domain everyone would be quite aware it was not a breach attempt =
>>on=20
>> > their systems.  Since these scans would be sent clear text across the web=
>>=20
>> > anyone with a little knowledge could analyse them.  If there was anything=
>>=20
>> > suspisious it would be repoted instantly all over the world.
>>
>>Nevertheless port scanning is illegal in some parts of the world, with=20
>>convictions to back the claim (decision of Finnish Supreme Court, case=20
>>number KKO:2003:36).
>>
>>Welcome to Finland after you've started your large scale scanning ;-)
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