Subject: that by paying for the site, a non-technical church staff would naturally value it more.

From: "Silvia Miles" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:18:51 +0900

" or "Could we maybe use flash? But that does not eliminate the essence of the discussion occuring here and at Boyink or Church Marketing Sucks.
Or talking at a strategic level about what the church should be using the internet for.
But that does not eliminate the essence of the discussion occuring here and at Boyink or Church Marketing Sucks.
We are up and functional and the site is doing its job.
It seems to me that the real underlying issue is a problem with lack of communication and too much bureaucracy in some churches.
Another instance was obvious to me when I was teaching college. The emphasis is mine, but I suspect its an accurate assessment of what's being yelled at on the other side of Mike's computer!
Yes, I have trouble getting content. They thought of strategic ideas and actually saw the site as a tool for ministry rather than as a pesky little problem that wouldn't go away.
It doesn't mean that the church needs to pay them; it means the church needs to wake up and take care of their people.
For example: Just recently I just helped out OnMission.
The echoes from the dediation ceremony are still ringing in the rafters. It's not about being paid. I'm sad for their missed opportunity. no, I don't struggle with politics.
I completely agree, however, with your assessment that the problem is a value disconnect between staff and webmaster.
I don't think charging for a site will cure all the issues you mention, but my original point was more from the church staff perspective. It's mine, and they can have it when I leave.
"I respectfully disagree with your disagreement.
It angers me that, as the church, we can always find the time and motivation to re-implement a site on a different backend, or change the site architecture, or implement new navigational widgets.
The above quote immediately came to mind after reading Mike Boyink's well-justified rant today:Are you a web developer working on your church's website on a volunteer basis? Or talking at a strategic level about what the church should be using the internet for.
In fact, I believe this is the heart of the problem.
Mike also asserts that this lack of percieved value on the part of pastors and staff leads to re-spinning of style over sustaining long streams of substance.