From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 01 03:44:55 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfBiR-00014a-1E for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:44:55 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfBiP-00025s-Kn for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:44:54 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA17qx8i021918; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:52:59 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA17qxjb021916; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:52:59 -0800 Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA17qt5o021911 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:52:56 -0800 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA17qqEF007661; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:52:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:52:52 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Edward Lewis cc: Jeroen Massar , Blue , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] Questions about IPv4 or IPv6 DNS server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4546F6F2.9030602@zyxel.com.tw> <45477B0D.2030105@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.5/2136/Tue Oct 31 19:06:48 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.5/2135/Tue Oct 31 23:57:40 2006 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_05,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on otso.netcore.fi Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Status: O On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 16:34 +0000 10/31/06, Jeroen Massar wrote: > > >Like any IPv4 -> IPv6 transition mechanism: first try IPv6, then try IPv4. > > There is the option to try both simultaneously. A query for the A RR can be > sent in parallel to the AAAA RR. This is better from the point of view of the > application user, there isn't a need to wait for a time out. On the other > hand, this makes the application developer's job harder - having to juggle two > potential answers and connections starting up (assuming TCP). Note that the original question was about which DNS _server_ to query first, not which RR type to query first. I believe most implementations send the queries in the order the servers have been listed in /etc/resolv.conf or equivalent, and this decision algorithm doesn't care whether the address is v4 or v6. As for the latter issue, RFC 4472 section 5.1 discusses this a bit. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. 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with ESMTP id kA1E2HVC000553 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:02:17 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kA1E22oE018744; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:02:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <454861A8.3090405@zyxel.com.tw> References: <4546F6F2.9030602@zyxel.com.tw> <45477B0D.2030105@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> <454861A8.3090405@zyxel.com.tw> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 08:55:00 -0500 To: Blue From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: [dnsop] Questions about IPv4 or IPv6 DNS server Cc: Pekka Savola , Edward Lewis , Jeroen Massar , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 66.92.146.160 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.5/2138/Wed Nov 1 03:55:22 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Status: O At 4:58 PM +0800 11/1/06, Blue wrote: >Hi, > >For statically and manually configured DNS server list, the resolver won't >have problems in choosing IPv4/IPv6 servers. Like you've said, the sequence >is supposed to be based on the configuration file. However, when we have >dynamic DNS v4/v6 server list from DHCPv4/DHCPv6, the resolver needs to >decide which server to request first. > >BR, > >Yi-Wen In this case, my answer would be a bit different from what I wrote earlier. If it is a matter of which transport is used for a stub resolver (something that reads a static list) to reach a local name server, then the administrator should configure using the more stable transport first. An administrator can judge that as usually you are only traversing one network from stub to local name server. If the administrator wants to shift traffic to IPv6, then that is configured first. To clarify my previous messages - the reason I talk about retrieving address records is that before you can reach a server you have to have the address records. When an NS record is read and you get the domain name, you have the choice to ask for one or the other, or both address types. From that you open transport points (ports in UDP). If you only get the AAAA record, you can't try the IPv4 transport. I am not trying to discourage the use of IPv6 through my disagreement with trying "IPv6 first, IPv4 second." In my experience with the state of IPv6 routing across a wide area, the IPv6 backbone (such as it is) is still in being formed. And until there is an authoritative AAAA in the root-servers.net zone for any of the root servers the DNS (system) is still "fractured" in IPv6 space. (As in, you have to go through IPv4 to get anywhere.) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Secrets of Success #107: Why arrive at 7am for the good parking space? Come in at 11am while the early birds drive out to lunch. . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 01 14:21:32 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfLeW-00010i-JA for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:21:32 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfLeT-0006ci-5R for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:21:32 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA1IeOfD012478; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:40:24 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA1IeOQ7012476; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:40:24 -0800 Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA1IeLlg012468 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:40:23 -0800 Received: from wormhole2.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.2.130] helo=trilby.local) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1GfL0X-00030Z-8M; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:40:13 -0500 Received: by trilby.local (Postfix, from userid 1019) id B7305236081; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:39:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:39:53 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: JINMEI Tatuya / =?utf-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJ?= Cc: Andrew Sullivan , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: the purpose of dnsop-reverse-mapping (Re: [dnsop] ISSUES:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-00.txt) Message-ID: <20061101183953.GF7288@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: <20060913122804.GE11434@dba3> <20061023190546.GD460@dba3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.5/2141/Wed Nov 1 09:16:55 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kA1IeNlg012473 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kA1IeOfD012478 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Status: O On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 10:43:05PM +0900, JINMEI Tatuya / =E7=A5=9E=E6=98= =8E=E9=81=94=E5=93=89 wrote: > regarding this document, I'd be confused here, and ask why this > document the deployment of the reverse mappings. =20 Thanks for this. I think there is a third reason to add to your list, though, and I wonder what you think of it: C. Because the facility exists, and people are using it, so if you want to be fully interoperable with the rest of the Internet, you'd be better off maintaining the reverse mappings. Would putting that clarification in (probably reworded slightly, but I hope you get the drift) address your concern? A --=20 Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 jabber: ajsaf@jabber.org +1 416 646 3304 x4110 =2E dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 01 16:14:09 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfNPU-0007TY-8G for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:14:08 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfNPS-0002ye-8x for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:14:08 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA1KRdct017989; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:27:39 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA1KRdbj017987; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:27:39 -0800 Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA1KRYkI017980 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:27:34 -0800 Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by tla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA52138006; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:31:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:31:43 +0100 (CET) From: Paul Wouters To: Andrew Sullivan cc: JINMEI Tatuya / =?utf-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJ?= , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: the purpose of dnsop-reverse-mapping (Re: [dnsop] ISSUES:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-00.txt) In-Reply-To: <20061101183953.GF7288@afilias.info> Message-ID: References: <20060913122804.GE11434@dba3> <20061023190546.GD460@dba3> <20061101183953.GF7288@afilias.info> X-Message-Flag: You should stop using Outlook and switch to Thunderbird MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1858175645-262145658-1162413103=:9313" X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: paul@xelerance.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.5/2141/Wed Nov 1 09:16:55 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Status: O This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1858175645-262145658-1162413103=:9313 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kA1KRdct017989 On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 10:43:05PM +0900, JINMEI Tatuya / =FF=FF=FF=FF=FF= =FF=FF=FF wrote: > > regarding this document, I'd be confused here, and ask why this > > document the deployment of the reverse mappings. > > Thanks for this. I think there is a third reason to add to your > list, though, and I wonder what you think of it: > > C. Because the facility exists, and people are using it, so if you > want to be fully interoperable with the rest of the Internet, > you'd be better off maintaining the reverse mappings. There are more reasons to have a proper reverse, which are missing from in draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-00.txt which only focussed on PTR and A records. It does not take into account the use of SSHP (RFC-4255) and IPSECKEY (RFC-4025) records. It also does not take into accout Opportunistic Encryption (RFC-4322). Especially in combination with DNSSEC (deployed for all of RIPE's reverse address space already) There might also be various voip/enum related records that might benefit from a working reverse. 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Kolkman" Subject: Re: [dnsop] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:09:14 +0100 To: Peter Koch X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on open.nlnetlabs.nl X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.5/2156/Thu Nov 2 20:56:44 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Status: O This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-18--424238748 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed For the record, I already stated my consent with publishing this doc in: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03897.html > Given the title, the history and the purpose of this draft > (remember the > attacks launched at the beginning of this year?), vulnerability of > other > systems or server types to (becoming an accomplice in) reflection or > amplification attacks and their specific counter measures is out of > scope > for this particular document. Personally I'd welcome any idea that would describe how to protect authoritative servers too. I am not sure if there are solutions in the 'DNS operational' realm. There may be milage in protocol modifications like Donald Eastlake's proposed cookies. But I agree with keeping the issue out of scope for this document. --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. 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The From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Mon Nov 06 17:12:06 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhChK-0006t3-FM for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:12:06 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhChJ-0003Gl-4C for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:12:06 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA6LGXTB029310; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:16:33 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA6LGX4u029308; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:16:33 -0800 Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA6LGWhQ029289 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:16:32 -0800 Received: from andrew-vpn.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.7.6] helo=dhcp71-27.ietf67.org) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1GhBpT-0004pE-2Z for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:16:27 -0500 Received: by trilby.local (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 796F12402B5; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:16:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:16:07 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] ISSUES:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-00.txt Message-ID: <20061106211606.GD534@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: <20060913122804.GE11434@dba3> <20061023190546.GD460@dba3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.5/2167/Mon Nov 6 11:31:46 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kA6LGWhQ029305 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kA6LGXTB029310 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Status: O On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 02:19:16PM +0900, JINMEI Tatuya / =E7=A5=9E=E6=98= =8E=E9=81=94=E5=93=89 wrote: >=20 > I'm afraid this version of draft does not fully address one > fundamental issue.=20 I have added this and the subsequent discussion as issue 13. The proposal I make is to produce a clearer motivation statement, and include references to RFCs 4255, 4025, and 4322 (and maybe some discussion of DNSSEC and ENUM). =20 A --=20 Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 jabber: ajsaf@jabber.org +1 416 646 3304 x4110 =2E dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Mon Nov 06 17:13:38 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhCio-0007Ib-Dl for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:13:38 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhCin-0003SL-31 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:13:38 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA6LHY4l029431; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:17:34 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA6LHYhv029429; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:17:34 -0800 Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA6LHYAu029424 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:17:34 -0800 Received: from andrew-vpn.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.7.6] helo=dhcp71-27.ietf67.org) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1GhBqT-0004t0-2L for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:17:29 -0500 Received: by trilby.local (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 7AA662402BD; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:17:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:17:09 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] ISSUE 8:reverse-mapping-considerations: IP version neutrality Message-ID: <20061106211708.GE534@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: <20061023192201.GF460@dba3> <453D2CB1.8020400@isc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <453D2CB1.8020400@isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.5/2167/Mon Nov 6 11:31:46 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Status: O On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 10:57:21PM +0200, Shane Kerr wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Reverse DNS is often quite different in IPv6 compared to IPv4. I have included this issue and the subsequent discussion as issue 12. 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<01c702e4$3d7fc050$6c822ecf@akstcasahqmnsdgs> From: "Adan Richter" To: Subject: Feel young Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 03:16:11 -0180 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C702FD.62CCF850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 4.9 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 5fb88b8381f3896aeacc5a021513237b Status: O This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C702FD.62CCF850 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C702FD.62CCF850" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C702FD.62CCF850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable debts of honour, which were very pressing; and scrupled not to lay all the = ill-consequences of lydia's"lizzy," said he, "i was going to look for you; = come into my room."elizabeth could not but smile at such a conclusion of su= ch a beginning, but mrs. bennet, whoelizabeth, with a triumphant sensation,= looked towards his friend. he bore it with noble"i must think your languag= e too strong in speaking of both," replied jane; "and i hope you willcollin= s attending them to point out its beauties, and lady catherine kindly infor= ming them that it was"well, well," said he, "do not make yourself unhappy. = if you are a good girl for the next ten"the letter shall certainly be burnt= , if you believe it essential to the preservation of my regard;"he likes to= have his own way very well," replied colonel fitzwilliam. "but so we all d= o. it is"you are quite right. to have his errors made public might ruin him= for ever. he is now, perhaps,"i saw you look at me to-day, lizzy, when my = aunt told us of the present report; and i know ibeen to persuade her to qui= t her present disgraceful situation, and return to her friends as soon as t= heyand at longbourn there would be leisure enough for observation.again his= astonishment was obvious; and he looked at her with an expression of mingl= edand the match were quite good enough for her , the worth of each was ecli= psed by mr. bingley andengagements might allow him to visit them.and this o= pened to his nieces a store of felicity unknown before. they could talk of = nothing butelizabeth added privately, "and how much i shall have to conceal= !"controverted. she inquired into charlotte's domestic concerns familiarly = and minutely, gave her a great"thank you, sir, but a less agreeable man wou= ld satisfy me. we must not all expect jane's good"you allude, perhaps, to t= he entail of this estate.""yes, there can; for mine is totally different. w= ill you hear it?""mr. darcy is impatient to see his sister; and, to confess= the truth, we are scarcely less eager tochurch, and his cousin could have= none at all.and mrs. collins's happiness; and that in speaking of rosings = and her not perfectly understanding the ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C702FD.62CCF850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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debts of honour, which were very pressing; and scrupled not to lay a= ll the ill-consequences of lydia's
"lizzy," said he, "i was going to loo= k for you; come into my room."
elizabeth could not but smile at such a c= onclusion of such a beginning, but mrs. bennet, who
elizabeth, with a tr= iumphant sensation, looked towards his friend. he bore it with noble
"i = must think your language too strong in speaking of both," replied jane; "an= d i hope you will
collins attending them to point out its beauties, and = lady catherine kindly informing them that it was
"well, well," said he, = "do not make yourself unhappy. if you are a good girl for the next ten
"= the letter shall certainly be burnt, if you believe it essential to the pre= servation of my regard;
"he likes to have his own way very well," replie= d colonel fitzwilliam. "but so we all do. it is
"you are quite right. to= have his errors made public might ruin him for ever. he is now, perhaps,"i saw you look at me to-day, lizzy, when my aunt told us of the present = report; and i know i
been to persuade her to quit her present disgracefu= l situation, and return to her friends as soon as they
and at longbourn = there would be leisure enough for observation.
again his astonishment wa= s obvious; and he looked at her with an expression of mingled
and the ma= tch were quite good enough for her , the worth of each was eclipsed by mr. = bingley and
engagements might allow him to visit them.
and this opene= d to his nieces a store of felicity unknown before. they could talk of noth= ing but
elizabeth added privately, "and how much i shall have to conceal= !"
controverted. she inquired into charlotte's domestic concerns familia= rly and minutely, gave her a great
"thank you, sir, but a less agreeable= man would satisfy me. we must not all expect jane's good
"you allude, p= erhaps, to the entail of this estate."
"yes, there can; for mine is tota= lly different. will you hear it?"
"mr. darcy is impatient to see his sis= ter; and, to confess the truth, we are scarcely less eager to
church, a= nd his cousin could have none at all.
and mrs. collins's happiness; and = that in speaking of rosings and her not perfectly understanding the
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(helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gi9Sz-00082a-9c for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 07:57:13 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gi9Sx-0006hW-Uu for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 07:57:13 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9BpSHu017624; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 03:51:28 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA9BpSMN017622; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 03:51:28 -0800 Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9BpR4x017617 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 03:51:27 -0800 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA9BpN3s004982; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:51:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:51:23 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Peter Koch cc: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt In-Reply-To: <20061108190311.GA29995@denics7.denic.de> Message-ID: References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061108190311.GA29995@denics7.denic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2179/Wed Nov 8 18:17:29 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2178/Thu Nov 9 02:08:09 2006 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on otso.netcore.fi Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Status: O On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Peter Koch wrote: > just as a reminder, we have a working group last call open for > > > "Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks" > > draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt > > > > to be published as a BCP. The WGLC will end Sat, 2006-11-11 23:59 UTC. I do not support publishing it as is. My comments from July 7 have not been addressed or responded; it seems these are still relevant in the -02 version. I haven't seen it worth the time to review it again. http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03742.html -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 09 09:17:08 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiAiK-0006pA-1q for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:17:08 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiAiI-0006M9-Lg for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:17:08 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9DOsR4020792; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 05:24:54 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA9DOsQs020790; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 05:24:54 -0800 Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9DOrli020785 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 05:24:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB20726C1E0; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:24:52 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2180/Thu Nov 9 04:02:30 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mx2.nic.fr Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6214E26C1BF; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:24:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980D258ECE0; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:24:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:24:51 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Pekka Savola Cc: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: [dnsop] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt Message-ID: <20061109132451.GA3945@nic.fr> References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061108190311.GA29995@denics7.denic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-2-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Status: O On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 01:51:23PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote a message of 22 lines which said: > My comments from July 7 have not been addressed or responded; it > seems these are still relevant in the -02 version. Let's see them: 1) The attacker could just use whatever 3rd party DNS records that already exist, right? I replied to it (the variant you describe is possible but does not seem to be the main concern right now). 2) If the attacker always used its own LRECORDs, the attack would be traceable just by looking at who owns the zone, right? But as the attacker may also use 2rd party LRECORDs, the owner of LRECORD doesn't help in figuring out who was responsible for the attack. Correct. But, in practice, it may be difficult to find the "owner" of mysubsubzone.subzone.zone.example. 3) I'd also add reference to BCP84 It seems OK. So, I would say that your comments are valid but should not block the document. As it is, it describes the *current* problem, and may be completed in the future by a more general document. . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From yumi_pohhonda@yahoo.co.jp Thu Nov 09 09:31:21 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiAw5-0005yI-VA for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:31:21 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiAw5-0008Jx-T5 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:31:21 -0500 Received: from [58.61.153.66] (helo=pc45) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiAw4-0001Kf-4r for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:31:21 -0500 To: From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCSC85VDxUISFDZkI8ISFNM0h+O1IbKEI=?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJD0kJiQkJCgkUBsoQig7GyRCIS0iJiEuGyhCQWBg?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:05:13 +0900 Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Status: O $B$=$&$$$($P!"?&6H!'2qA0$G=P$F$-$^$9$h!*(B From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 09 09:58:54 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiBMk-0002po-Tr for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:58:54 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiBMj-0003S4-Hh for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:58:54 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9DxGqP021829; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 05:59:16 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA9DxGgA021827; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 05:59:16 -0800 Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9DxEgp021822 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 05:59:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA9DxD96007905; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:59:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:59:13 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Stephane Bortzmeyer cc: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: [dnsop] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt In-Reply-To: <20061109132451.GA3945@nic.fr> Message-ID: References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061108190311.GA29995@denics7.denic.de> <20061109132451.GA3945@nic.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2180/Thu Nov 9 04:02:30 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2178/Thu Nov 9 02:08:09 2006 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on otso.netcore.fi Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Status: O On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > 1) The attacker could just use whatever 3rd party DNS records that > already exist, right? > > I replied to it (the variant you describe is possible but does not > seem to be the main concern right now). Yes, I saw that, but I believe whether it's the main concern or not is irrelevant -- the question to ask should be, "is this variation of attack relevant to the scope of the document?" Unless this, as well, gets ruled out of scope in the document, I believe the answer is "yes". -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 09 14:55:46 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiG02-0000JQ-6u for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:55:46 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiFzz-0006yV-R2 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:55:46 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9ItI2X000504; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:55:18 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA9ItINi000502; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:55:18 -0800 Received: from ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9ItH1f000496 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:55:17 -0800 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kA9It7vY007748; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:55:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061109135008.03d0f380@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:55:08 -0500 To: Peter Koch , IETF DNSOP WG From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= Subject: Re: [dnsop] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt In-Reply-To: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 66.92.146.160 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2180/Thu Nov 9 04:02:30 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Status: O I have reviewed the document and generally support it advancement. The only nit I have is with the recommendation section is that the recommended default configuration to be recursion-off is easy to miss I would like to see text to the effect of: by default nameservers SHOULD not offer recursive service to external networks. Olafur At 12:34 26/10/2006, Peter Koch wrote: >Dear WG, > >this message initiates a working group last call for > > "Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks" > draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt > >to be published as a BCP. The WGLC will end Sat, 2006-11-11 23:59 UTC. > >Please review and comment on this draft on this mailing list. The chairs >will not forward the document to the AD unless at least five reviewers >have indicated their support (for both the draft and the intended status). >Vendors' indication to follow (or not) the recommendation would be >appreciated. > >Please also include editorial comments; there will be a -03 anyway since >the current draft does not yet have an IANA considerations section. > >Given the title, the history and the purpose of this draft (remember the >attacks launched at the beginning of this year?), vulnerability of other >systems or server types to (becoming an accomplice in) reflection or >amplification attacks and their specific counter measures is out of scope >for this particular document. > >-Peter >. >dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ >web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html >mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From raginucosmo@epoet.com Thu Nov 09 15:23:49 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiGRB-0007fu-JE for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:23:49 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiGRB-0002kA-Hl for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:23:49 -0500 Received: from bhe200150049020.res-com.wayinternet.com.br ([200.150.49.20] helo=epoet.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiGR6-0000bO-Tl for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:23:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c7043c$e73a1240$37c0a8c0@qgdohxl> Reply-To: "Cyprian Pallas" From: "Cyprian Pallas" To: dnsop-archive@ietf.org Subject: Re: new Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:23:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C703F9.D916D240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Status: O This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C703F9.D916D240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Nice PHffARMACY http://www.derunkiondetunhaserun.com =20 If 1 do that I will be disobeying orders and it could end my career. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C703F9.D916D240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C703F9.D916D240-- From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 09 16:48:34 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiHlC-0000ki-LR for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:48:34 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiHam-0007oc-Qw for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:37:50 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9KlEgn005377; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:47:14 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA9KlEWH005375; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:47:14 -0800 Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (virtual3.netaktiv.com [80.67.170.53]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9KlEft005369 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:47:14 -0800 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 193FB24080E; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:47:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.sources.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A2FB1112F9; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:44:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:44:36 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Pekka Savola Cc: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: [dnsop] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt Message-ID: <20061109204436.GA4720@sources.org> References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061027140845.GA24593@nic.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2180/Thu Nov 9 04:02:30 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Status: O On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 09:03:47PM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote a message of 19 lines which said: > While I agree that the text need not necessarily be so absolute, I > would not consider [such] ingress filtering proper or wide-scale > deployment. Better than nothing, to be sure, but not enough. May be but it does not seem that BCP 38, lauded as the Ultimate and Everlasting solution to Everything, strongly warns the ISP about that. It seems it contains no discussion or advice about the best place to put the antispoofing filters. (Some examples or sentences mention filters which are close to the customer, some do not.) . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 09 17:26:06 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiILW-00083j-Fq for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:26:06 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiILV-0006HE-2k for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:26:06 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9LnTKC009259; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:49:29 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA9LnTW0009257; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:49:29 -0800 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id kA9LnT17009252 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:49:29 -0800 Received: from webmail53.lax.untd.com (webmail53.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.193]) by smtpout02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCXHJVCAVL9DE2 for (sender ); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:49:22 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: AcganUYbgVGZ0C6nm/9IPatablCmMCeKXDCHebkhNFSzGlocreusjQ== Received: (from fergdawg@netzero.net) by webmail53.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L6RZ6B5W; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:48:27 PST Received: from [130.129.69.175] by webmail53.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:47:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [130.129.69.175] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Fergie" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:47:34 GMT To: bortzmeyer@nic.fr Cc: pekkas@netcore.fi, dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20061109.134827.717.938455@webmail53.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 12:6:1305836686 X-MAIL-INFO: 0405ed3d317ced7c7cd1051118ade90808412165088129182d49e11d859999ed483ccd3d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.193|webmail53.lax.untd.com|webmail53.lax.untd.com|fergdawg@netzero.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2181/Thu Nov 9 12:12:52 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kA9LnT17009254 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca Status: O As one of the coauthors of RFC2827/BCP38: If anyone lauds BCP38 as the "Ultimate and Everlasting solution to Everything," then they need a reality check. :-) Having said that, it doesn't make it's implementation any less of a "right thing" to do. And having said that, I think well-known hierarchical policy models provide hints at where these sorts of things (policies) should be implemented -- the closer to the edges of the network, the better, of course. Administrative boundaries (edge AS) would seem to be the most plausible place(s). BCP38 only addresses the core issue of ensuring that packets that claim to be from a prefix other than your own do not leave your network. - ferg -- Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 09:03:47PM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote a message of 19 lines which said: > While I agree that the text need not necessarily be so absolute, I > would not consider [such] ingress filtering proper or wide-scale > deployment. Better than nothing, to be sure, but not enough. May be but it does not seem that BCP 38, lauded as the Ultimate and Everlasting solution to Everything, strongly warns the ISP about that. It seems it contains no discussion or advice about the best place to put the antispoofing filters. (Some examples or sentences mention filters which are close to the customer, some do not.) [snip] -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 09 18:13:17 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiJ5B-00067a-Ma for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:13:17 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiJ5A-0003MC-9U for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:13:17 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9MVaYe011181; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:31:36 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kA9MVa2W011179; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:31:36 -0800 Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA9MVZCQ011174 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:31:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909B226C19B for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 23:31:34 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2181/Thu Nov 9 12:12:52 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mx2.nic.fr Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B5026C12C for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 23:31:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from kerkenna.nic.fr (kerkenna.nic.fr [192.134.4.98]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C398C58ECE2 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 23:31:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from kerkenna.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kerkenna.nic.fr (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id kA9MVXKx060904 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 23:31:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from souissi@kerkenna.nic.fr) Received: (from souissi@localhost) by kerkenna.nic.fr (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id kA9MVXZC060903 for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 23:31:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from souissi) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 23:31:33 +0100 From: Mohsen Souissi To: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt Message-ID: <20061109223133.GA60582@kerkenna.nic.fr> References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061108190311.GA29995@denics7.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061108190311.GA29995@denics7.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Status: O I reviewd the draft version 02 and I approve moving it forward to a BCP RFC. However, if there's a version 03 in preparation, I think it should show more clearly the recommendation of turning off recursion for or restricting it to a "trusted" audience, as mentioned by Olafur. Moreover and FWIW, even if BCP 38 wide deployment could be the best solution, I believe that "education" on anti-spoofing measures should be widened/extended to reach the whole community of Network administrators (and not only those working for ISPs). Would it possible for example to recommend complementing ingress filtering on the ISP side by "egress filtering" on the customer's side? That consists on the customer's side in filtering out all traffic not originated from IP addresses belonging to the customer, stopping consequently at an earlier stage spoofed traffic (in case the attacker has not privileged access on the site's edge router/firewall :-) By the way, early egress filtering may be viewed at least as an anti-spoofing enforcement and may be even more useful in case the ISP doesn't (properly) apply ingress filtering. Mohsen. On 08 Nov, Peter Koch wrote: | Dear WG, | | just as a reminder, we have a working group last call open for | | > "Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks" | > draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt | > | > to be published as a BCP. The WGLC will end Sat, 2006-11-11 23:59 UTC. | > | > Please review and comment on this draft on this mailing list. The chairs | > will not forward the document to the AD unless at least five reviewers | > have indicated their support (for both the draft and the intended status). | > Vendors' indication to follow (or not) the recommendation would be appreciated. | | -Peter | . | dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ | web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html | mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From burleyflorenti@fujisec.com Fri Nov 10 12:10:17 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiZtR-0007h2-PD for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:10:17 -0500 Received: from smg13-2-82-232-129-146.fbx.proxad.net ([82.232.129.146] helo=fujisec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiZtP-0000X4-Ah for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:10:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c704eb$07a66700$3322a8c0@ofbyijd> Reply-To: "Bevin Mayhan" From: "Bevin Mayhan" To: dnsop-archive@ietf.org Subject: Re: good 317 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:09:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C704A7.F9832700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 3.3 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Status: O This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C704A7.F9832700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, VlArrGRA VALrrlUM ClArrLlS http://www.fandeskuntionderunhdasdin.com =20 _____ =20 Yes, funny nickname, goes back to the academy, something to do with ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C704A7.F9832700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C704A7.F9832700-- From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Nov 10 13:57:04 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibYm-000097-1a for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:57:04 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibYk-0000fj-M6 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:57:04 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAAHr85l018645; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:53:08 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAAHr86V018643; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:53:08 -0800 Received: from mint.apnic.net (mint.apnic.net [202.12.29.58]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAAHr7aT018638 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:53:07 -0800 Received: from asmtp.apnic.net (dhcp68-131.ietf67.org [130.129.68.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mint.apnic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548F8D5F33 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:53:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:53:00 -0800 From: George Michaelson To: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: [dnsop] comment on reachover in Friday WG meeting Message-ID: <20061110095300.71064c3d@garlique.algebras.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i386--netbsdelf) X-Fruit-Of-The-Month-Club: persimmon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2185/Fri Nov 10 03:04:49 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Status: O My comment in the Friday WG meeting on Reachover. draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-00.txt so we're looking for this to be technology neutral with respect to v4 and v6. -And there are comments flying around that reverse is 'harder' in v6. my first comment was that encouraging delegation was acceptable, requiring was difficult given independent RIR policy process. Secondly, that a 'reachover' problem that exists in BOTH v4 and v6 is possibly worse in v6, because of the risk of longer delegation-chains between the RIR delegation point, and the /64 endsite. With the RIR delegation being a /32 (or shorter) prefix, there are many more opportunities for DNS sub-structure, and that could lead endsites to finding they lack the intermediate delegation to have reverse-DNS in v6. The RIR have had a problem with proposals requiring 'reachover' in the past: we can't really get control tokens into the hands of non-members, non-participants in RIR activity if the member/delegate doesn't have things set up, and so getting the more specific v6 (or v4) reverse delegated is a problem. Still a problem in v4, but more potential in v6 for it to occur. 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These TXT RR are already widely deployed ~ 3%. A prefix registry to differentiate TXT records referenced by an underscore prefix should also include the string identifiers found at the beginning of the TXT RR content employed by SPF or Sender-ID. The example in Dave Crocker's presentation references one of many non-normative example labels that might be used when SPF TXT records are chained. These labels used for chaining can use any prefix and often do. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Nov 10 15:17:05 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GicoD-00073e-Hk for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:17:05 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gico9-0005VX-6p for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:17:05 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAAJNDnv023372; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:23:13 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAAJNDCZ023370; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:23:13 -0800 Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAAJNCx5023365 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:23:13 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::53]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kAAJN56s052230; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:23:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-23-195791092" Message-Id: <185F7A83-859B-44DB-B2D4-064A37EEA79E@NLnetLabs.nl> Cc: Dave Crocker Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: [dnsop] on dns-attrleaf IANA Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:23:04 -0800 To: IETF DNSOP WG X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on open.nlnetlabs.nl X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2185/Fri Nov 10 03:04:49 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Status: O This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-23-195791092 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed ref: draft-crocker-dns-attrleaf-02.txt Dave, just to reiterate what was said in the meeting: Make sure that the instructions to IANA for maintaining the registry are crisp and comprehensive. --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. 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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C705B6.A80FE830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 343d06d914165ffd9d590a64755216ca Status: O This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C705B6.A80FE830 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01C705B6.A80FE830" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C705B6.A80FE830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A word spoken is past recalling. Support whorled peas! J.D. Parkerson, Skia= took, OK. You have to crawl before you can walk. If wishes were horses, pig= s would fly. Never rub another man Rhubarb It's a blessing in disguise. You can't free a fish from water. There is no = 'I' in TEAM Nothing succeeds like success. Where there's a will, there's a relative ! M= outh is in gear, brain is in neutral Great oaks from little acorns grow. Meaning: It's up to you to decide. From William Shakespeare's The Merchant = of Venice, act II, scene 7, by William Shakespeare Variant for slow risers:= The early worm gets eaten by the birds. A word spoken is past recalling. A= picture is worth a thousand words, and yet picture books are for infants. = The more you know, the less you need. Green leaves and brown leaves fall from the same tree. A loaded wagon makes= no noise. Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everyti= me we fall. --Confucius Possible Interpretation: Do not take some action ag= ainst something if it is damaging to yourself. Variant for slow risers: The early worm gets eaten by the birds. The opposi= te form also exists, Clothes don't make the man. Clothes make(th) the man. = Alternate: The last chance Life's what happens while you make other plans. ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C705B6.A80FE830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Possible Interpretation: Quiet = people are often thoughtful. Reference to baseball and its anatomical incor= rectness.
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Loose lips sink ships. A little= knowledge is dangerous. Drink deep, or taste not the puritan waters Tomorr= ow may not be a better day, but there will always be a better tomorrow.
Like cures like. Don't have too= many irons in the fire. A beer a day keeps the germs away.
A cat may look at a king. The c= ure is worse than the disease.
Lie down with dogs, wake up wit= h fleas. 'Well done' is better than 'Well said' Interpretation: If you are = going to do something, do it right.
Nice guys finish last. Hunger i= s the best sauce. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Variant: When t= he gods want to punish us they answer our prayers. --Oscar Wilde
It's the empty can that makes t= he most noise. He who has the gold makes the rules. Grow where you are plan= ted.
Absence makes the heart grow fo= nder. If you keep your mouth shut, you won't put your foot in it.
It's better to give than to rec= eive. Little enemies and little wounds must not be despised. Think globally= , act locally.
Variety is the spice of life. T= he one who dies with the most toys, still dies. Idle hands are the devil's = playthings. Romeo must die in order to save the love.
Variant: Better to remain silen= t and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. Great minds think= alike, but insanity speaks all languages. - John Parry No hoof, no horse.<= /FONT>
There is only eight years been = success and failure in politics. -Jim Brown, Louisiana statesman Let him wh= o is without sin cast the first stone. -- Jesus Christ
We are all in this together. Pr= actice does not make perfect but a perfect practice makes perfect. Possible= interpretation: Everyone's tastes are different.
Also: Don't shut the gate after= the horse has bolted. Liquor before beer and you're in the clear. Beer bef= ore liquor and you'll never be sicker. Learn to walk before you run. Clothe= s make the man, naked people have little or no influence in society. -Mark = Twain Play on 'An apple a day keeps the doctor away'
New brooms sweep clear. Loose l= ips sink ships. You can't milk a cow with your hands in your pants. If the = cap fits, wear it.
The early bird gets the worm, b= ut the second mouse gets the cheese. Common sense ain't common. There's no = arguing with the barrel of a gun. Possible Interpretation: World War II pro= paganda illustrating the perils of gossip. He who dares wins (motto of the = Special Air Service (aka SAS))
An eye for an eye and a tooth f= or a tooth. Life's a bitch and then you marry one Attributed to Winston Chu= rchill. It's easier to turn falsehood loose than correct it everywhere it r= uns to. A picture is worth a thousand words, and yet picture books are for = infants.
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<000d01c7065e$33c290b0$00000000@masa> Subject: Re: Palance Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:26:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7066E.F74B60B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2bcdb6f0ba9636bf286b7e28ccb8bd9b Status: O This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7066E.F74B60B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C7066E.F74B60B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C7066E.F74B60B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dnsop-archive@ietf.org=20 To: pcmkcero@paragonpub.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 03:06:39 PM Subject: Palance Famed coach Bill Walsh battling a leukemia Auburn trying. 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Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kADF86XU000811; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:08:06 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kADF86xa000809; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:08:06 -0800 Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kADF86L2000799 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:08:06 -0800 Received: from andrew-vpn.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.7.6] helo=trilby.local) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1GjdPk-0003dO-Kv for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:08:00 -0500 Received: by trilby.local (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 59A0C24292B; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:07:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:07:58 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt Message-ID: <20061113150757.GA12239@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2190/Mon Nov 13 01:31:57 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Status: O On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:34:11PM +0200, Peter Koch wrote: > "Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks" > draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt > > to be published as a BCP. The WGLC will end Sat, 2006-11-11 23:59 UTC. > I have read the -02 document, and the previous objections I had have been addressed. I support the document going forward. I've sent a "nits" note to the authors off-list. A -- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 jabber: ajsaf@jabber.org +1 416 646 3304 x4110 . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Mon Nov 13 17:53:03 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjkfn-0003Tc-IS for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:53:03 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjkfm-0005wQ-1h for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:53:03 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kADM23f2021903; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:02:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kADM23kN021901; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:02:03 -0800 Received: from sokol.elan.net (sokol.elan.net [216.151.192.200]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kADM22O1021892 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:02:02 -0800 Received: from sokol.elan.net (sokol [127.0.0.1]) by sokol.elan.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kADM1vHO003981 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:01:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (william@localhost) by sokol.elan.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id kADM1vlu003978 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:01:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: sokol.elan.net: william owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:01:57 -0800 (PST) From: "william(at)elan.net" To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2191/Mon Nov 13 10:37:53 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 37af5f8fbf6f013c5b771388e24b09e7 Status: O [This email explains on scenario for what could be called 'NXDOMAIN' DNS DoS which Doug tried to use in his FUD campaign against SPF (I'll comment on that in next email). This is mostly same message as I posted on MXCOMP (former MARID mail list) on Friday: http://www.imc.org/ietf-mxcomp/mail-archive/msg05839.html] Hi, While Doug has particular issue with SPF, the problem he points to has little to do with SPF. In fact the attack is general dns attack that will work with several other records (MX, SRV, NS, most likely PTR and NAPTR and possibly CNAME [John Levine suggested it, but I don't immediately see using it by itself]). The issue is that certain applications (including DNS resolver itself) by means of special DNS records can be directed to do several additional lookups. The idea of the attack here is to direct those lookups to somebody else who would have to answer that it does not know about this name. Those answers if original name is large can themselves be quite large so you get amplification even though the answer is NXDOMAIN or similar. Specially for Doug I'm going to give example of using NS and EHLO for this attack, at the end I'll also explain why CSV (Doug's alternative to SPF) is even better case for launching such an attack. Lets assume that an attacker controls domain big.bad.domain.example.net (for good amplification the name needs to be pretty long; for better view in email post I'm not doing it). He sends email with SMTP session starting as EHLO big.bad.example.net and he previously set up the following in DNS: $ORIGIN bad.domain.example.net big IN NS victim-dns1.example.com big IN NS victim-dns2.example.com big IN NS victim-dns3.example.com big IN NS victim-dns4.example.com big IN NS victim-dns5.example.com big IN NS victim-dns6.example.com big IN NS victim-dns7.example.com big IN NS victim-dns8.example.com (if victim does not have enough dns servers, it can actually be done so as to direct attack against the same server - its more complex and I don't want to go into it right now) Now lets assume that as per Doug's scenario the email is sent using botnet to many mail servers and we'll assume that those email servers are going to try to resolve EHLO name (some would some would not - both CSV and SPF would require it but many mail servers & anti-spam filters do it without that too). Now what happens is that each mail server that received the email would try to resolve big.bad.domain.example.net and as part of that would come to bad.domain.example.net and would be by means of NS directed to victim DNS servers. Victim servers would each answer that they are non-authoritative but would have to include large domain (imagine big.bad.example.com being close to maximum DNS label size) and that is where amplification comes from, i.e. the attacker only responded with one packet which include 'big.bad.example.com' once in that packet and smaller size names of victim dns servers (which since NS supports label compression can be quite compact) where as the response include that entire large name ('big.bad.example.com') and comes from each and every NS server listed. The above attack can be architected to be better then more typical 10:1 with certain additional tricks and provided that email server and victim's dns servers are on good network connection (most resolvers have no limit as to how many NS they would check - they do usually have timeout though so how well it would work would depend on network connection and timeout settings). Now I promised to explain why CSV makes it easy and is worse then SPF. That is due to the suggestion of having to walk the dns tree (up to 6 levels deep) which CSV specification has. Lets imagine that EHLO name is actually bad1.bad2.bad3.bad4.example.com. What happens is that CSV specifies to do lookups first to _client._smtp.bad1.bad2.bad3.bad4.example.com. Using above system you cause multiple lookups due to lame delegation that can be setup with "_client._smtp NS .." at zone bad1.bad2.bad3.bad4.examp.e.com that cause victims to respond they don't know how to find_client._smtp.bad1.bad2.bad3.bad4.example.com. Next per CSV (as far as I understood), the application would have to try _client._smtp.bad2.bad3.bad4.example.com and similarly attacker can setup lame delegation but this time at bad2.bad3.bad4.example.com zone. So this way you can easily cause many lookups for the same email session from the same system - that is why it is worse then with SPF. But in reality if you look into it deeper, the actual amplification factor would be the same as in all those cases servers do one lookup for bad?.example.com that cause to happen 10x responses. It is exactly the same with SPF but in that case Doug has used mx operator - he causes requests for MX hosted at attacker side and several requests from victim for addresses pointed out but MX. This all comes down to something like 10 amplification factor and not 100 or more like Doug says. Again this is general issue that can be replicated using different DNS records - its cause is that several DNS record types cause application (or dns resolver) to do additional lookups to list of names specified in that record [and SPF is not something new to this field, nor is it some type of script like Doug says]. Another example of the same issue is when you send email such that it would bounce (you can do it although nowdays email systems are smarter) and you setup bad MX (like Doug did) which would cause lookups to victim. It would be the same type of attack and amplification. I can provide several more examples (email offers great choices since anti-spam systems do a lot of lookups when trying to decide if its good or bad email and if you use lots of domains for various victims like in URL then you often cause some type of lookup to find if that name exists) as well as examples in non-SMTP field (SNMP and SIP both can be vulnerable to it to some degree). I hope this helped you all to understand this attack scenarios. -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Mon Nov 13 18:20:13 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjl65-0000Sn-Rv for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:20:13 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjl64-0000qO-Ez for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:20:13 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kADMbATw024069; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:37:10 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kADMbA95024067; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:37:10 -0800 Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kADMbAQt024059 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:37:10 -0800 Received: from andrew-vpn.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.7.6] helo=trilby.local) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1GjkQK-0001c5-L1 for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:37:04 -0500 Received: by trilby.local (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 53BEF24316D; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:37:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:37:02 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Rathole exit? Was: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF Message-ID: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2191/Mon Nov 13 10:37:53 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Status: O On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 02:01:57PM -0800, william(at)elan.net wrote: > > [This email explains on scenario for what could be called 'NXDOMAIN' > DNS DoS which Doug tried to use in his FUD campaign against SPF Just like in the meeting, I think many of us do not want to spend a great deal of time exploring all the nooks and crannies of some other working group's rathole. It is not even interesting to me whether SPF is or is not the primary method by which these attacks can be performed. So I ask, as I did last Friday, a question in response to the general issue: > little to do with SPF. In fact the attack is general dns attack that will > work with several other records (MX, SRV, NS, most likely PTR and NAPTR > and possibly CNAME [John Levine suggested it, but I don't immediately see > using it by itself]). The issue is that certain applications (including > DNS resolver itself) by means of special DNS records can be directed to > do several additional lookups. I still have no idea, from any of the SPF-blahblah discussion here, whether there is anything at all that this group needs to do about the problem. As nearly as I can see, there are a few possible answers. None of the following are positions I'm adopting; I'm just trying to figure out what questions, if any, to ask. Also, I bet this list isn't exhaustive: 1. Sort of. There is a DNS problem. We need to define what that problem is and what the operational impact might be; but if there is a protocol problem, we have to ask dnsext to take it up as a work item. 2. Yes. The general topic of DNS-using attacks is a work item that the group needs to take up. 3. No. This is a problem that people have pointed out more than once when others decided to start loading up the DNS with all these other kinds of records, and the consequences are here as predicted. Since everyone knew this was going to happen, we have nothing to say about it now. 4. Yes, but in a limited way. Some attacks are worse than others, and each attack type should be evaluated case-by-case, so that the group can decide whether it is worth investigating. 5. No. This is a topic better handled in operator group forums like NANOG, RIPE, APNIC, and even OARC, rather than here. I lean towards (1) or (2) myself, but I can't say I have anything like a well-formed view on this stuff, so I'd like to hear the views of others as to what, if anything, to do about these kinds of attacks. I pray that we can keep particular examples out of it, but I suspect we can't. 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[10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjmKr-0000Rr-Gk for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:39:33 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjmKn-0004rN-2F for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:39:33 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kADNq5kW028720; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:52:05 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kADNq5FV028718; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:52:05 -0800 Received: from sokol.elan.net (sokol.elan.net [216.151.192.200]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kADNq5nT028699 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:52:05 -0800 Received: from sokol.elan.net (sokol [127.0.0.1]) by sokol.elan.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kADNpxSi007028 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:51:59 -0800 Received: from localhost (william@localhost) by sokol.elan.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id kADNpxip007024 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:51:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: sokol.elan.net: william owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:51:59 -0800 (PST) From: "william(at)elan.net" To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: [dnsop] More on NXdomain attack scenarios Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2191/Mon Nov 13 10:37:53 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Status: O First I have to say I'm disappointed that Doug in his slides on 'draft-otis-spf-dos-exploit' draft did not explain attack scenario at all. He basically just went ahead with rant about how SPF is all bad (including in some bad data in order to increase his numbers) - this is very very clear case of FUD and I'm disappointed that it has been allowed to happen on IETF WG meeting - at the very least the WG chair should have recognized it and either not allowed presentation on such a draft or required Doug to use SPF as only in an example for showing general issue (which probably he cant do given his very strong anti-SPF bias and that being entire reason for that draft). Now regarding the attack scenario itself (which is purely theoretical at this point), I have some operational network security experience and I find this attack to be somewhat unlikely or at least less then preferred for an attacker given other alternatives. The reason is that this is not pure DDOS but combination of using distributed botnet and centralized dns server used for amplification. Given that amplification numbers seem closer to 10:1 it means that an attacker who wants victim to get 1Gb DoS would have to endure 100Mb traffic to his DNS server. I dont think attacker wants to see that and what is worse this has one central point which unlike zombie control box can be identified from outside and shutdown fairly quickly when it does happen. This one central point can also give an additional means of tracking down responsible party which is again something attacker wants to avoid. Since the attacker is already assumed to be controlling zombie army I find more likely that he'd use it directly to launch DDoS attack and he'd then also have more control over amount of traffic and length of the attack. As far as NXDomain attack, I do think similar scenario not involving amplification slightly more likely. What can happen is if attacker indeed wants to try to hide his zombie army he can try to just directly input victim's domains in his spam, i.e. one name in EHLO another in MAIL FROM, some other in header "From", others in "Received", in URLs embedded in the message text, etc. Given current anti-spam filtering systems he can probably get about 5 NXDOMAIN requests to victim for each email message without having to involve his own domain at all. Now such attacks already do happen - they are called joejobs and spammers use them quite successfully (I'm not sure if NXDomain in main DoS part itself; more likely is to use this to impersonate victim so he receives bounces and angry emails; this is in fact what SPF is trying to protect against). Now given all the above I'm not at all sure if DNSOP should even try to address this issue given that redirection to multiple sources is already is at the core of protocol and its use. At best you may want to discuss giving recommendations on how many NS records should be used by resolvers (to limit the NS amplification scenario I specified in last post; at least this scenario is something that involves purely DNS implementations i.e. its on-topic for the WG). Last time I asked similar question (on ISC's dns-operations mail list): http://lists.oarci.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2006-June/000654.html I was told by Paul Vixie that I'm supposed to go through all of them (but ignore already known bad leafs), I still think its too open for either direct abuse or just due to unintentional errors. For other applications that use DNS records you may also want to say that certain limits and timeouts should exist to avoid potential amplification problem - this is especially true regarding use of MX and SRV. Regarding SPF, unlike other protocols there are actually already limits (10/10/10 i.e. no more then 10 of same type of operators like mx) specified in RFC4408 and it is still under discussion if this needs to be made tighter or not with general dns limit (though I'm not entirely sure if its on-topic for this list, you're welcome to comment about it and I'll pass it on to appropriate list and to spec author - I can also do the same if you write to me in private). -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From wiremulag@firstorlando.com Tue Nov 14 02:07:00 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjsNo-0007SJ-Kl for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:07:00 -0500 Received: from [218.36.254.226] (helo=firstorlando.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjsNl-0000rF-So for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:07:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c707bb$6d2c0a30$9683a8c0@czovn> Reply-To: "Dalibor Hurt" From: "Dalibor Hurt" To: dnsop-archive@ietf.org Subject: Re: news 698 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:06:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C70778.5F08CA30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 4.3 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Status: O This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C70778.5F08CA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 VImAGRA VAmLIUM CImALIS http://www.wasediokionldefunhjia.com =20 , ground. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C70778.5F08CA30-- From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 14 02:16:06 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjsWc-00031N-90 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:16:06 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjsWa-0002Ih-Rg for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:16:06 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAE6FAwa014527; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:15:10 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAE6FAMR014525; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:15:10 -0800 Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAE6F9qJ014514 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:15:09 -0800 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (64-142-13-68.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.13.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAE6F7bx007962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:15:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Rathole exit? Was: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF From: Douglas Otis To: Andrew Sullivan Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu In-Reply-To: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:15:07 -0800 Message-Id: <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2191/Mon Nov 13 10:37:53 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Status: O On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 17:37 -0500, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > I still have no idea, from any of the SPF-blahblah discussion here, > whether there is anything at all that this group needs to do about > the problem. As nearly as I can see, there are a few possible > answers. None of the following are positions I'm adopting; I'm just > trying to figure out what questions, if any, to ask. Also, I bet > this list isn't exhaustive: > > 1. Sort of. There is a DNS problem. We need to define what that > problem is and what the operational impact might be; but if there is > a protocol problem, we have to ask dnsext to take it up as a work > item. There is a general threat to DNS created by an experimental email script contained within DNS records. This script may initiate more than 100 crafted DNS transactions directed toward any victim domain. Crafting these transactions can utilize the local-part of an email-address as variable domain labels. This script is executed when receiving spam without consuming additional resources of an attacker, once a local resolver is seeded. The source of the attack can not be discerned, and the attack is virtually free. DNS ACLs or BCP 38 will not prevent this attack. The amplification of this SPF script attack can exceed that of a DNS reflective attack utilizing spoofed sources and EDNS0. The amplification of an SPF script could be 64 kBytes per execution or 64:0 where zero represents a message that would be sent anyway. This threat is demonstrated by an example script along with a captured trace from a distributed routine in compliance with experimental RFC4408. The example script and the trace can be found within the appendix of the paper explaining the concern. William continues to overlook additional DNS transactions resolving address records from different domains. 10 mechanisms where each resolves 10 address records initiates 100 directed transactions per SPF script execution. The math is 10 times 10 equals 100. In addition, the script might be executed several times per message. William suggests any transaction in response to a client might lead to a DoS exploit. His suggested exploit scenario is caused by chaining a sequence of victim NS records that do not answer for the questioned domain. His issue only distracts from the SPF concern. Any remedy to resolve an NS chaining exploit raised by William, if there is an exploit, is completely orthogonal to the problem raised by the SPF script. Transactions initiated by each SPF script's execution can be within 100 different domains and may occur several times per message. NS chaining would further exacerbate the amplification caused a DNS transaction for different domains. William's suggestion that DNS transactions can also be amplified by such techniques only strengthens concerns regarding the number of transactions initiated by SPF scripts. Without other defensive strategies, blocking records that enable dangerous script execution is the only viable solution. The level of a potential attack can bring down any domain. The ability to craft an assortment of labels accessing many and various record types at no cost to the attacker makes SPF scripts dangerous and inviting. This WG should be able to express meaningful concerns about the state of this experimental RFC. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 14 05:44:55 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjvmh-0001mL-JV for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:44:55 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjvmg-00012x-7b for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:44:55 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAE9erxs024293; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:40:53 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAE9erS0024291; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:40:53 -0800 Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAE9eqJA024285 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:40:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4AE26C264; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:40:51 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2192/Tue Nov 14 00:00:57 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mx2.nic.fr Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527E826C277; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:40:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4554B58ECE2; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:40:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:40:51 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Pekka Savola Cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer , IETF DNSOP WG Subject: [dnsop] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt Message-ID: <20061114094051.GA8250@nic.fr> References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061108190311.GA29995@denics7.denic.de> <20061109132451.GA3945@nic.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-2-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Status: O On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 03:59:13PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote a message of 18 lines which said: > Yes, I saw that, but I believe whether it's the main concern or not > is irrelevant -- the question to ask should be, "is this variation > of attack relevant to the scope of the document?" My opinion is "No". If we decide it is relevant, the document will take several more months of work to cover a whole class of attacks. . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 14 06:25:46 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwQE-0005wM-6m for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:25:46 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwQB-0007gT-On for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:25:46 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEAXvSs026259; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:33:57 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAEAXv7G026257; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:33:57 -0800 Received: from server1.dns.net (server1.dns.net [64.39.31.27]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEAXuSZ026252 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:33:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by server1.dns.net (8.11.7/8.11.6) id kAEAXtE30189; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:33:55 GMT Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:33:45 +0000 From: Andras Salamon To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: Rathole exit? Was: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF Message-ID: <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2192/Tue Nov 14 00:00:57 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Status: O On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:15:07PM -0800, Douglas Otis wrote: > There is a general threat to DNS created by an experimental email script > contained within DNS records. As far as I understand, the attack vector relies on some process outside the DNS retrieving, interpreting and acting on records contained in the DNS. Is this correct? If so, my feeling is the SPF folks should revise their protocol. Perhaps it isn't altogether a good idea to make protocols general enough to be near-Turing-complete for the sake of data compression. However, please clarify why a DNS working group should take responsibility for fixing the semantics of data people choose to put into the DNS. People bringing down parts of the DNS through DOS attacks is hardly new. Storing the semantics of the attack into the DNS itself is cute but hardly a cause for action by a DNS working group. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C707ED.433C0900-- From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 14 10:49:20 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk0XI-000434-10 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:49:20 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk0XE-0006DB-D3 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:49:20 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEF06fQ003121; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:00:06 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAEF06Nb003119; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:00:06 -0800 Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEF06gc003081 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:00:06 -0800 Received: from wormhole2.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.2.130] helo=trilby.local) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1GjzlY-00041f-Pf for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:00:00 -0500 Received: by trilby.local (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 579CA2432C6; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:00:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:00:01 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: Rathole exit? Was: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF Message-ID: <20061114150000.GA29765@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2193/Tue Nov 14 06:03:11 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Status: O On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:15:07PM -0800, Douglas Otis wrote: > domain. His issue only distracts from the SPF concern. Any remedy to > resolve an NS chaining exploit raised by William, if there is an > exploit, is completely orthogonal to the problem raised by the SPF > script. Well, maybe. I'm not sure this conclusion follows from what you said, actually, because it seems to me that the _kind_ of vulnerability would be the same in any case. This is what I took Olaf Kolkman to mean when he said that this is an architectural issue (I'm sure he'll correct me if I misunderstood). > to the attacker makes SPF scripts dangerous and inviting. This WG > should be able to express meaningful concerns about the state of this > experimental RFC. So, if I understand correctly, the last sentence there is what your response is to my question? If so, it seems to represent a different answer than any of the candidate ones I proposed. This one, if I read you right, is 6. There is a specific issue here, and it needs to be addressed in the particular case, and not the general one. Is that correct? A -- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 jabber: ajsaf@jabber.org +1 416 646 3304 x4110 . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 14 11:52:16 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk1WC-00025B-2n for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:52:16 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk1WA-000086-6Y for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:52:16 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEG0Dtg005574; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:00:13 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAEG0C0o005572; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:00:12 -0800 Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEG0CCN005567 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:00:12 -0800 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (64-142-13-68.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.13.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEG0BWG021236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:00:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Rathole exit? Was: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF From: Douglas Otis To: Andras Salamon Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu In-Reply-To: <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:00:10 -0800 Message-Id: <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2193/Tue Nov 14 06:03:11 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Status: O On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 10:33 +0000, Andras Salamon wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:15:07PM -0800, Douglas Otis wrote: > > There is a general threat to DNS created by an experimental email > > script contained within DNS records. > > As far as I understand, the attack vector relies on some process > outside the DNS retrieving, interpreting and acting on records > contained in the DNS. Is this correct? Yes. > If so, my feeling is the SPF folks should revise their protocol. > Perhaps it isn't altogether a good idea to make protocols general > enough to be near-Turing-complete for the sake of data compression. The SPF script language does not improve data compression. APL RR (RFC3123) provides 10 times the informational density and existed prior to SPF development. Parameters added as arguments to this script necessitate repeated execution, even when resolving from the same domain. State-full processing of many scripted transactions also likely leads to common multiplexing ports. Execution of DNS related script from unknown entities represents a breach in network security. > However, please clarify why a DNS working group should take > responsibility for fixing the semantics of data people choose to > put into the DNS. People bringing down parts of the DNS through > DOS attacks is hardly new. Storing the semantics of the attack > into the DNS itself is cute but hardly a cause for action by a DNS > working group. > > Finally, if such a protocol (experimental, right?) were to start being > deployed, it would likely destroy its own ecology, so I don't see it > lasting long in an environment of cautious network operators. Although SPF is experimental, it is being heavily promoted for use with Sender-ID. SPF is at about 30% adoption by the largest corporations which represents 10 times the typical level of adoption! Running with the big dogs, few seem to notice the RFC is experimental, nor is this mentioned in promotional material. This script can be aimed at poisoning DNS, as the language can repeatedly query resources of various record types while flash flooding authoritative DNS. Scripted execution may happen at MTAs and at the desktop of email recipients. DNS is at risk, but attacks can be highly targeted and devastating. Being highly targeted, this retains the ecology providing the attack vector. It is fallacious to suggest the network is protected by the self interests of the bad actor. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 14 12:44:04 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk2KK-0007fy-Hx for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:44:04 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk2KJ-0007mQ-1j for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:44:04 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEGr6lV008331; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:53:06 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAEGr6bb008329; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:53:06 -0800 Received: from ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEGr5pX008324 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:53:05 -0800 Received: from [10.31.32.215] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAEGqpMV047406; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:52:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:52:14 -0500 To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu From: Edward Lewis Subject: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... Cc: ed.lewis@neustar.biz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 66.92.146.160 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2193/Tue Nov 14 06:03:11 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Status: O ...'s presentation last week... (I'm being sarcastic about being scared of Doug, btw. But it gives a good title.) The issues of SPF, DKIM, other SPAM prevention technics and in general slapped-on security approaches is not a topic for this list. If and when I refer to a case, it's for example only, not for comparison, and maybe even to expose my relative ignorance of the reality. What I find potentially troubling is that an application might choose to refer to the DNS in an unwise way to find ancillary data to verify that a received message unit is genuine and is authorized to be processed. I have had some experience in building such systems, the experience being part of research projects, and have seen first hand some of the startling performance issues that may ensue. This work is about 6 years old now, but it didn't really hit home until now. The first ingredient in the problem is that the processing unit performing the security checks is the end receiver. This means that there is probably a large population base from which traffic can be sourced (legitimately). These sources are prone to "abuse" because it is their job to accept data and then protect themselves. What else can they do but do their job? The second ingredient is a malicious traffic load that is sent to the above processing units just to kick off the protection mechanism. The fact that the malicious load can be generated is both what creates the need for the corrective measures and is also what causes the corrective measures to be abused. Spam is not just a problem because it exists, it is a problem because the defenses against it are just as much of a problem. (Not to mention the false positives.) The third ingredient is the amplification factor that is a result of robustness of the security. When slapping security onto any existing system, some level of robustness is lost. If the security can only find data via one path, then robustness is brought down to a single point of failure. E.g., if all certificates are on one server, knock out that server and the system will cease to function (securely). To counteract this, security can be made to be multipath - like using multiple X.509 certificates for the same key, each certificate from a different issuer, etc. But each added path may prove to be merely an amplification of an abuse. The fourth ingredient is the complexity of the security operation. If the robustness approach is hard-to-get-right, then the sender will unintentionally cause the receiver or a third party a lot of pain. (Of course a malicious sender will be able to do this intentionally too.) Keep in mind that the impact to the DNS in this situation is a backdrop to another abuse. It might not even be apparent that there is an attack on the DNS or on some other system via the DNS, when everyone is staring at yet another infusion of spam. My experience in this (albeit a prototype) was a response to a network flooding attack. As repair code flowed to routers to stem the flood, the repair code required certification to let the router know it was legit. Because of the flood, the routers couldn't get to the DNS to get the certificates. We solved that by eventually building a second "control plane" network. In building the data, because we were battling a deadline, I implemented two ways to retrieve the certificate revocation list and installed two places for the CRLS to be found. During the one-plane approach, I watched the prototype run and saw the 4 DNS attempts (each location times each retrieval method) time out, as nothing got though the flood. Instead of helping matters, the security added to the flood - 4 DNS queries times the retries because of time out. Maybe this is too short to convey the issue, but I have seen security make a matter worse. In conclusion, there isn't really much the DNSOP community can do about this. If we try to protect the DNS, well, there's nothing that can really be done in the protocol about this, other than to ask "please use the DNS less." The recommendation is to whomever is judging the architectures to first consider the load on the DNS and more over to consider whether there is any tractable way to make operating the security system free from an abuse. What I kind of am getting to here is that if the TXT RR is used to convey security policy or a search list of servers, then it would be hard to enforce reasonable approaches. If an new RR is required for the approach, then the protocol can be built in such a way that number of searched sources can be limited. Further, if there is no fallback from one RR to another, no "alternate" paths to take, I THINK (can't prove) that it would make it easier on an operator to know what is the appropriate level of security response to the receipt of a message. If the RR RDATA can only have two servers and there can only be one RR considered per event, the load has a chance of being managed. This is the FUD that I took away from the meeting last week. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar I didn't miss the meeting, I left it before I arrived. . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 14 13:57:49 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk3Th-0005ky-9L for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:57:49 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk3Ou-0008S6-G4 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:52:53 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEI3nVK012858; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:03:49 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAEI3neR012856; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:03:49 -0800 Received: from backbone.schlitt.net (schlitt.net [67.52.51.34]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEI3mjZ012851 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:03:48 -0800 Received: from wayne by backbone.schlitt.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Gk2d5-00044G-R9 for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:03:47 -0600 From: wayne To: "IETF DNSOPS WG" References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:03:27 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> (Andrew Sullivan's message of "Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:37:02 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: wayne@schlitt.net Subject: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on backbone.schlitt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on backbone.schlitt.net) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2193/Tue Nov 14 06:03:11 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f Status: O [Note: I sent this reply yesterday, but I don't think it ever made it to the list, sorry if it is a dup. I've long read this list via gmane.org, but apparently I've never posted here before and apparently this list doesn't like posts via gmane.] In <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> Andrew Sullivan writes: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 02:01:57PM -0800, william(at)elan.net wrote: >> >> [This email explains on scenario for what could be called 'NXDOMAIN' >> DNS DoS which Doug tried to use in his FUD campaign against SPF > > Just like in the meeting, I think many of us do not want to spend a > great deal of time exploring all the nooks and crannies of some other > working group's rathole. I can certainly understand that. For what it is worth, I did read the jabber session and also DougO's slides. However, the audio of the session was cut off about 10 minutes into Doug's presentation. I've asked if the full presentation was around and was told it would be there "shortly", but that was last Saturday. (I'm interested in hearing DaveC's presentation also...) >> little to do with SPF. In fact the attack is general dns attack that will >> work with several other records (MX, SRV, NS, most likely PTR and NAPTR >> and possibly CNAME [John Levine suggested it, but I don't immediately see >> using it by itself]). The issue is that certain applications (including >> DNS resolver itself) by means of special DNS records can be directed to >> do several additional lookups. > > I still have no idea, from any of the SPF-blahblah discussion here, > whether there is anything at all that this group needs to do about > the problem. As nearly as I can see, there are a few possible > answers. Does this have anything to do with the "yes - no - yes - no - yes " comment in the jabber session? Anyway, as WilliamL said, there are a lot of assumptions in the SPF DoS scenario that Doug presented that are, uh, "unlikely". I analyzed the same attack that was presented at IETF67 back in early 2004, along with about a half dozen others. I still believe that SPF is relatively safe and the chances that anyone could regularly pull off such a DoS attack are about the same as the chances of anyone regularly winning the lottery. There are some DNS operation issues that may be useful to consider for SPF DoS attacks or the NS record DoS attack that William talked about. In both cases, there is a requirement that the nTTL of the victim's zone be much much shorter than the TTL of the attacker's records. Fairly obvious ways to stunt any attack that is in progress include updating the victim's SOA record so that the nTTL is much longer, publishing a wildcard record so that the victim's TTL is used, or delegate the part of the victim's zone that is being attacked to a very slow name server. More general solutions are to make sure that all protocols that use DNS records that allow for indirection (NS, MX, SPF, SRV, etc.) to limit the number of records that they process. As William mentioned, I put a limit of 10 in the SPF RFC. This may really be a DNSEXT issue, I'm not certain. One suggestion, brought up by another person on the SPF lists, was that SPF should also have a limit on the total number of "broken" indirects before giving up. A small limit of 2 or 3 would completely defeat all the SPF DoS scenarios that I know of. You can't just give up after the first bogus MX record. Too many people have a broken MX records that they think is acting as a secondary/fallback MX, but since everything works fine with only the primary MX they don't realize that anything is really wrong. The same thing goes for people with lame delegations. Most people don't have more than one or two lame namesevers, but unfortunately, all too many have at least one. Similar limits on the number of "broken" records that can be tolerated could (should?) be put into things like resolvers checking NS records, mail servers checking MX records, jabber clients that use SRV, etc. to prevent them from being used as attack vectors. Again, this may be an issue best addressed in the DNSEXT WG, I'm not sure. Anyway, sorry to hear that things got a little heated at the IETF67 meeting. DougO has been on a grand crusade to stop SPF and to promote his own replacements for many years now. Some of us are more than a little tired of it. If he was more interested in fixing things, it would be real nice. -wayne . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 14 13:58:44 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk3Ua-0006Cr-JI for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:58:44 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk3UY-0001W9-7D for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:58:44 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEIGLPp013774; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:16:21 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAEIGLm3013772; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:16:21 -0800 Received: from backbone.schlitt.net (schlitt.net [67.52.51.34]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEIGKuf013767 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:16:20 -0800 Received: from wayne by backbone.schlitt.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Gk2pR-0004TT-Fh for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:16:20 -0600 From: wayne To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:16:12 -0600 In-Reply-To: <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> (Douglas Otis's message of "Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:00:10 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: wayne@schlitt.net Subject: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on backbone.schlitt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on backbone.schlitt.net) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2193/Tue Nov 14 06:03:11 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Status: O In <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Douglas Otis writes: > The SPF script language does not improve data compression. APL RR > (RFC3123) provides 10 times the informational density and existed prior > to SPF development. *sigh* Where do you get this "10 times" claim from? To represent an IPv4 address: APL entries require 16 + 8 + 1 + 7 + 32 = 64 bits or 8 bytes SPF ip4: mechanism require from 12 to 23 bytes, depending on the decimal digits and if CIDR notation is used. That is *AT MOST* a factor of less than 3. For IPv6 addresses the difference is even less. Come on Doug. Like this highly exaggerated SPF DoS potential, I did testing back in early 2004. Very compact, binary encoded SPF records are rarely less than half the size of the text versions. The RMX proposal used APL records. It went no where. There are good reasons why. I'll spare this list a rehash of the thousands of posts from the IRTF ASRG WG, SPF-discuss and the IETF MARID WG mailing lists. -wayne . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 14 14:05:29 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk3b7-0001T3-2A for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:29 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk3b5-0002YE-Lz for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:29 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEIDGkF013468; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:13:16 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAEIDGeV013466; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:13:16 -0800 Received: from sokol.elan.net (sokol.elan.net [216.151.192.200]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEIDFaa013457 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:13:15 -0800 Received: from sokol.elan.net (sokol [127.0.0.1]) by sokol.elan.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAEID892021624; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:13:08 -0800 Received: from localhost (william@localhost) by sokol.elan.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id kAEID8ZG021620; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:13:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: sokol.elan.net: william owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:13:08 -0800 (PST) From: "william(at)elan.net" To: Andrew Sullivan cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: Rathole exit? Was: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF In-Reply-To: <20061114150000.GA29765@afilias.info> Message-ID: References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114150000.GA29765@afilias.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2193/Tue Nov 14 06:03:11 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Status: O [I'll not be answering Doug directly. Mainly because if I start doing it, we'll continue forever as Doug would never stop (his arguments would still be same and not clear) and result is likely that most folks would locally blacklist both of us...] On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:15:07PM -0800, Douglas Otis wrote: > >> domain. His issue only distracts from the SPF concern. Any remedy to >> resolve an NS chaining exploit raised by William, if there is an >> exploit, is completely orthogonal to the problem raised by the SPF >> script. > > Well, maybe. I'm not sure this conclusion follows from what you said, > actually, because it seems to me that the _kind_ of vulnerability > would be the same in any case. I'd suggest is that people read Doug's draft but try to ignore all the craft about SPF being all bad and Doug's solutions being answer and just focus on DNS. What you'll find in the end is that he presents exactly the same scenario as I described with NS where the DoS is due to NXDOMAIN and amplification due to using long domain name. What you'll also find is that there is no 10x10 but that for each extra MX to be resolved you actually need to send requests to attacker's server. Also the attack has little to do with size of SPF record (or that some think its near turing-complete; if it were the attack issue would be how to cause somebody long processing & loops), its primarily using large domain itself as an amplification due to the same domain having to be present in QUERY and NXDOMAIN answer. > This is what I took Olaf Kolkman to mean when he said that this is an > architectural issue (I'm sure he'll correct me if I misunderstood). This issue that is present in DNS and has been from the start, its both an issue for resolver and for applications that use certain records. I'm not entirely sure how it should be addressed (if at all - this all is purely theoretical right now) - in general or at applications that use their specialized records. -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 14 14:05:32 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk3bA-0001UE-8w for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:32 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk3b6-0002YJ-Pn for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:32 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEIFEYA013711; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:15:14 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAEIFEak013709; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:15:14 -0800 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id kAEIFDYo013680 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:15:14 -0800 Received: from webmail29.lax.untd.com (webmail29.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.169]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCXWB5SA3DEPC2 for (sender ); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:14:08 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: AcganUYbgVGZ0C6nm/9IPatablCmMCeKxto7o1ssSeXnjdQnwqqDSg== Received: (from fergdawg@netzero.net) by webmail29.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L66HVBYF; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:14:03 PST Received: from [168.61.0.42] by webmail29.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:12:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [168.61.0.42] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Fergie" Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:12:59 GMT To: dotis@mail-abuse.org Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: Rathole exit? Was: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20061114.101403.28866.1450259@webmail29.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3129005414 X-MAIL-INFO: 05ef37be379f2a77be9f7ef72aeba7fb2e5e0e2b6f2ea7ba2e0e873a0e9b83cacf332e077ebb2e132a4f13f737d3ab636e8e0baeee8eeeee1b6eeb0ad72adfdfc33adbdf174a0a9a936b735fc7c78ebf5b9e0b X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.169|webmail29.lax.untd.com|webmail29.lax.untd.com|fergdawg@netzero.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2193/Tue Nov 14 06:03:11 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kAEIFEYo013706 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kAEIFEYA013711 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Status: O -- Douglas Otis wrote: >Although SPF is experimental, it is being heavily promoted for use with >Sender-ID. SPF is at about 30% adoption by the largest corporations >which represents 10 times the typical level of adoption! Running with >the big dogs, few seem to notice the RFC is experimental, nor is this >mentioned in promotional material. > Especially since Microsoft has "...announced that its Sender ID Framework specification for e-mail authentication is now available under the company=92s Open Specification Promise (OSP)..." http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/oct06/10-23OSPSenderIDPR.ms= px Just an FYI. :-) - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ =2E dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From rttfetid@maxtr.net Tue Nov 14 14:53:38 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk4Li-0002sf-Jx for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:53:38 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk4Li-0001On-Fy for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:53:38 -0500 Received: from ble59-6-82-240-110-250.fbx.proxad.net ([82.240.110.250] helo=maxtr.net) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk4Ld-0003WK-Ce for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c7082e$f8392180$002a82fc@sirulrich> From: Beryl Oconnell To: dnsop-archive@ietf.org Subject: But go catenate Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:53:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C7082E.F8392180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1081 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1158 X-Spam-Score: 4.7 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 3be09dac38eaa50f02d21c7fcee1128c Status: O This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C7082E.F8392180 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01C7082E.F8392180" ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C7082E.F8392180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Variety is the spice of life. He who pays the piper calls the tune. It's be= tter to give than to receive. Software, Music and Sex are good, when they a= re free. Not enough room to swing a cat You can't have your cake and eat it too. Good wine needs no bush. I.e., One= is often better off keeping his mouth shut. It pays to pay attention. New brooms sweep clear. Possible Interpretation: = Do the task while it is possible. Little things please little minds Make hay while the sun shines. Give a dog a bad name and hang him. The road= to hell is paved with good intentions. Don't look a gift horse in the mout= h. Possible Interpretation: One can get more cooperation from others by bei= ng nice. When the cat's away, the mice will play. The exception proves the rule. Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lef= ts do. Look on the sunny side of life. All's well that ends well. Knock and the door will be opened unto you. --Matthew 7:7 Life's what happe= ns while you make other plans. Money makes the mare go. 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Don't look a gift horse in the = mouth. Give and ye shall receive. - Jesus Christ Don't shut the barn door a= fter the horse is gone.
A little knowledge is dangerous= Drink deep, or taste not the puritan waters Going the whole nine yards. J= ack is as good as his master.
The law is a jealous mistress. = Professor Ferdinand Fairfax Stone, Tulane Law School, early and mid 1960s. = Money talks.
Beware Greeks bearing gifts Var= iant: Ornithological specimen of corresponding plumage congregate gregariou= sly All things come to he who waits.
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If you don't love yourself with= passion, you'll love others with it. Passion is conserved. A fellow descri= bing the distinction between coral and king snakes. Life's a Witch and then= you fly.
Time flies like an arrow, fruit= flies like a banana.--Groucho Marx Northern English, Anything for nothing.= .
Northern English, Anything for = nothing... Possible Interpretation: All style and no substance. If the dog = hadn't stopped to take a #### in the woods, he would have caught the rabbit=
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Jack of all trades, master of n= one. No man is content with his lot. Followup: And we all know what May flo= wers bring...Pilgrims.
It's a long lane that has no tu= rning. Blood is thicker than water.
Self trust is the first secret = of success. Raining cats and dogs. Everyone wants to go to heaven but no-on= e wants to die.
A lie has no legs. You must nev= er confuse your feelings with your duties. Northern English, Anything for n= othing... Advice when most needed is least heeded. Honey catches more flies= than vinegar.
God blesses a drunk. You can't = take it with you. Hope is life. Practice makes perfect.
If three people tell you that y= ou are drunk, you better lie down. If you don't love yourself with passion,= you'll love others with it. Passion is conserved. Give a man a fish and yo= u feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. = Rats desert a sinking ship. Possible Interpretation: World War II propagand= a illustrating the perils of gossip.
Vengeance is a dish best served= cold. Possible Interpretation: living life to its fullest Different sores = must have different salves. What you see is what you get
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dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:07:15 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEJNQYC018706; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:23:26 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAEJNQ6k018704; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:23:26 -0800 Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEJNPuV018699 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:23:25 -0800 Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by tla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65EB138006; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:27:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:27:56 +0100 (CET) From: Paul Wouters To: Edward Lewis cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-Message-Flag: You should stop using Outlook and switch to Thunderbird MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: paul@xelerance.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2194/Tue Nov 14 09:26:01 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 Status: O On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Edward Lewis wrote: > What I find potentially troubling is that an application might choose to refer > to the DNS in an unwise way to find ancillary data to verify that a received > message unit is genuine and is authorized to be processed. (Un)fortunately, the DNS is the best distributed database we have. > I have had some > experience in building such systems, the experience being part of research > projects, and have seen first hand some of the startling performance issues > that may ensue. This work is about 6 years old now, but it didn't really hit > home until now. Trust me, comparing the performance of some DNS lookups to avoid the need to run them through anti-virus and anti-spam processing is moot. DNS lookups are cheap. Without using various DNS checks (and greylisting, which i personally despise) I'd have to add a few Xeons to our anti-spam setup. > The first ingredient in the problem is that the processing unit performing the > security checks is the end receiver. This means that there is probably a > large population base from which traffic can be sourced (legitimately). These > sources are prone to "abuse" because it is their job to accept data and then > protect themselves. What else can they do but do their job? Whether the anti-spam postfix, or my real mailserver's postfix is accepting the message hardly matters from a security point of view. And I think experience has proven that a unix based anti-spam server's security risk outweights 500+ employees running malware within your network. > Spam is not just a problem because it exists, it is a problem because > the defenses against it are just as much of a problem. (Not to mention the > false positives.) And as I argued with people like Gilmore in the past - I can't afford not to do spam filtering. Even if my customers wanted to see all spam (they don't) and even if I felt morally obligated to deliver email even if it is spam (I don't) and provided I had the hours per day to manually read the spam (I don't), then my personal error rate on messages would be higher then my current technical setup. > The third ingredient is the amplification factor that is a result of > robustness of the security. When slapping security onto any existing system, > some level of robustness is lost. and gained? > Because of the flood, the routers couldn't get to the DNS to get the > certificates. Sounds like a design mistake. > In conclusion, there isn't really much the DNSOP community can do about this. There are things we can do, mostly involved with BCP's and sane software defaults and things like AS112. > If we try to protect the DNS, well, there's nothing that can really be done in > the protocol about this, other than to ask "please use the DNS less." Why would we ask that? DNS serves many good purposes. If "protecting" comes down to "don't use", then you also have no more need to protect it. > What I kind of am getting to here is that if the TXT RR is used to convey > security policy or a search list of servers, then it would be hard to enforce > reasonable approaches. If an new RR is required for the approach, then the > protocol can be built in such a way that number of searched sources can be > limited. Further, if there is no fallback from one RR to another, no > "alternate" paths to take, I THINK (can't prove) that it would make it easier > on an operator to know what is the appropriate level of security response to > the receipt of a message. If the RR RDATA can only have two servers and there > can only be one RR considered per event, the load has a chance of being > managed. Having a seperate RR makes it easier to make custom decisions based on that RR set. As for the mentioned EHLO attack, this is easilly prevented in postfix. Add to main.cf: smtpd_helo_restrictions = check_helo_access hash:/etc/postfix/helo_access Add to /etc/postfix/helo_access: # reject ehlo string with more then 5 host parts .*.*.*.*.* "550 HELO string too long, rejecting possible DOS" And if you think SMTP spam filtering email is bad, wait for your phones to need to do SIP spam filtering. How long before we can't trust our phones anymore? I give it two years top. 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(Exim 4.43) id 1Gk5Ie-00037k-Op for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:54:34 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEK9gYE022936; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:09:42 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAEK9gqg022934; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:09:42 -0800 Received: from ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAEK9fCK022929 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:09:42 -0800 Received: from [10.31.32.215] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAEK9SES049196; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:09:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:08:42 -0500 To: Paul Wouters From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... Cc: Edward Lewis , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 66.92.146.160 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2194/Tue Nov 14 09:26:01 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Status: O At 20:27 +0100 11/14/06, Paul Wouters wrote: >On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Edward Lewis wrote: >> The third ingredient is the amplification factor that is a result of >> robustness of the security. When slapping security onto any >>existing system, >> some level of robustness is lost. > >and gained? No, robustness is lost - in the sense that if you examine the state machine of the protocol, once legal states are no longer legal. In many state machines there are paths that travel from safe states through questionable states and then back to safe states. It is when travelling though a questionable state (sometimes known as a vulnerability) that bad things could happen; so slapped-on security makes these states unreachable. When the number of possible good paths are reduced, robustness is lost. When I say that robustness is lost, I'm looking at the protocol design. I suppose that if your concern is capacity (i.e. the length of queues), you could say that security is improving robustness by avoiding hitting limits. That may be, but the point I was trying to make above is that if you take an operating system working without a problem and then crimp it where you think there might be a vulnerability, you would be wise to crimp it in ways that do not choke it. >> Because of the flood, the routers couldn't get to the DNS to get the >> certificates. > >Sounds like a design mistake. Well, something was lost in the translation. The case was that a router had to pull from a flood of packets some information that would stem the flow of bad packets. To validate the good information, credentials needed to be judged. Even if the X.509 was sent along in entirety, the revocation list could not be sent reliably. The error is in relying on remote security data when reaching for it may be impossible. (How do you put all needed security data local to where an attack can be fended off? If you push ahead of time, then you are using resources needlessly in "peacetime." And - in an open population, to where do you send stuff?) >> In conclusion, there isn't really much the DNSOP community can do >>about this. > >There are things we can do, mostly involved with BCP's and sane software >defaults and things like AS112. And we could encourage better protocol design. Note that I refer to "slapped-on" security. Not all security is doomed - it's when we slap it on we are risking doing a worse job. E.g., if in DNSSEC we get a signature, it is simple to judge the security of the data. If we don't get the signature, we have to go see if the signature was supposed to be there, etc. Same for the spam defense approaches. Think of what it would mean to DNS if all records came with a signature field built in. (For some of is, think "slabs.") The prove-able non-existence issue wouldn't be the same. Replays may declare a zone empty, but you couldn't poison cache with false data by downgrading a zone's security. >> If we try to protect the DNS, well, there's nothing that can really be done >> in the protocol about this, other than to ask "please use the DNS less." > >Why would we ask that? DNS serves many good purposes. If "protecting" comes >down to "don't use", then you also have no more need to protect it. Exactly my point. >And if you think SMTP spam filtering email is bad, wait for your phones >to need to do SIP spam filtering. How long before we can't trust our >phones anymore? I give it two years top. Fortunately for phones there is heavy regulation. ;) Do-not-call lists and the like. 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The field of graphic design From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 15 03:33:58 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGDW-0007RJ-6X for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:33:58 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGDT-0008GP-Ob for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:33:58 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAF7b597017530; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:05 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAF7b5EA017528; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:05 -0800 Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAF7b44Z017523 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:04 -0800 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (64-142-13-68.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.13.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAF7b3eY009882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:04 -0800 Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF From: Douglas Otis To: wayne Cc: IETF DNSOPS WG In-Reply-To: References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1163576223.473.76.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2195/Tue Nov 14 11:53:04 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 Status: O On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 12:03 -0600, wayne wrote: > Anyway, as WilliamL said, there are a lot of assumptions in the SPF > DoS scenario that Doug presented that are, uh, "unlikely". I analyzed > the same attack that was presented at IETF67 back in early 2004, along > with about a half dozen others. I still believe that SPF is > relatively safe and the chances that anyone could regularly pull off > such a DoS attack are about the same as the chances of anyone > regularly winning the lottery. Nothing suggests "chance" is involved with an attack enabled by SPF scripts. The example attack requires little knowledge of the victim. Using SPF to include local-part email-addresses in queries to an attacker's DNS permits canvassing when efficiency is desired. However, little of an attacker's resources are consumed when the repeat interval is not optimized. > There are some DNS operation issues that may be useful to consider for > SPF DoS attacks or the NS record DoS attack that William talked about. > > In both cases, there is a requirement that the nTTL of the victim's > zone be much much shorter than the TTL of the attacker's records. > Fairly obvious ways to stunt any attack that is in progress include > updating the victim's SOA record so that the nTTL is much longer, > publishing a wildcard record so that the victim's TTL is used, or > delegate the part of the victim's zone that is being attacked to a > very slow name server. Extending negative caching may not be controlled by the victim and could create problems during transitions. Many wrongly suggest turning off negative caching to avoid support issues. Even with the level of amplification reduced, the source of this attack remains hidden and can continue without recourse. > More general solutions are to make sure that all protocols that use > DNS records that allow for indirection (NS, MX, SPF, SRV, etc.) to > limit the number of records that they process. As William mentioned, > I put a limit of 10 in the SPF RFC. This may really be a DNSEXT > issue, I'm not certain. The limit of 10 is with respect to a "mechanism" where 10 is also suggested as a maximum number of host names resolved from the MX record transaction. Reducing the number of host names resolved creates intermittent problems when there are more published without truncation, but are ignored anyway by the script. > One suggestion, brought up by another person on the SPF lists, was that > SPF should also have a limit on the total number of "broken" indirects > before giving up. A small limit of 2 or 3 would completely defeat all > the SPF DoS scenarios that I know of. When will SPF routines be updated? Forcing this change requires modifying the version of the SPF record. There is still wildcard SPF RRs that can be randomized using local-part address macros. SPF still chains through 11 such resource records where this attack can be further amplified by the tricks suggested by William. Keep in mind these attacks are still free for the attacker, and are not a matter of chance. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 15 03:42:30 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGLm-0000j1-LP for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:42:30 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGLi-00014A-AG for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:42:30 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAF7de8F017634; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:39:40 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAF7ddeC017632; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:39:39 -0800 Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl (postfix@outpost.ds9a.nl [213.244.168.210]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAF7dd6s017627 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:39:39 -0800 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2726B410F; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:39:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:39:36 +0100 From: bert hubert To: Paul Vixie Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... Message-ID: <20061115073936.GA16483@outpost.ds9a.nl> Mail-Followup-To: bert hubert , Paul Vixie , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2195/Tue Nov 14 11:53:04 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Status: O On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 01:22:36AM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote: > > (Un)fortunately, the DNS is the best distributed database we have. > > "Not for very much longer." (Columbia, RHPS) Can you elaborate on this intriguing suggestion? Googling on that phrase only brings up pictures of a thing called "the rocky horror picture show". Thanks. -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 15 03:45:21 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGOX-0002dc-KJ for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:45:21 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGOW-0001QJ-8V for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:45:21 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAF7bHK1017542; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:17 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAF7bHem017540; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:17 -0800 Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAF7bGvX017535 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:16 -0800 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (64-142-13-68.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.13.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAF7bFcu030353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF From: Douglas Otis To: wayne Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu In-Reply-To: References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:15 -0800 Message-Id: <1163576235.473.77.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2195/Tue Nov 14 11:53:04 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Status: O On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 12:16 -0600, wayne wrote: > In <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Douglas Otis > writes: > > > The SPF script language does not improve data compression. APL RR > > (RFC3123) provides 10 times the informational density and existed prior > > to SPF development. > > *sigh* > > Where do you get this "10 times" claim from? Don't ignore the overhead added to SPF scripts, such as various tags and record chaining. CIDRs listed in 10 chained TXT resource records used by Paypal.com can be accomplished within a single APL RR, for example. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 15 09:38:13 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkLu1-0005xe-6f for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:38:13 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkLty-0004hg-Kz for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:38:13 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFDq0iA031149; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:52:00 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAFDq05m031147; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:52:00 -0800 Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFDpxKZ031142 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:52:00 -0800 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAFDpt8G015024; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:51:56 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:51:55 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Stephane Bortzmeyer cc: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: [dnsop] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt In-Reply-To: <20061109204436.GA4720@sources.org> Message-ID: References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061027140845.GA24593@nic.fr> <20061109204436.GA4720@sources.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2195/Tue Nov 14 11:53:04 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2195/Tue Nov 14 21:53:04 2006 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on otso.netcore.fi Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Status: O On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > While I agree that the text need not necessarily be so absolute, I > > would not consider [such] ingress filtering proper or wide-scale > > deployment. Better than nothing, to be sure, but not enough. > > May be but it does not seem that BCP 38, lauded as the Ultimate and > Everlasting solution to Everything, strongly warns the ISP about > that. It seems it contains no discussion or advice about the best > place to put the antispoofing filters. (Some examples or sentences > mention filters which are close to the customer, some do not.) Which is why I referred to BCP84/RFC3704, which _does_ include this discussion. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 15 10:00:03 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkMF9-0006U0-9z for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:00:03 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkMF4-0007cq-Ta for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:00:03 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFDvb9r031284; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:57:37 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAFDvbTY031282; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:57:37 -0800 Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFDvawa031277 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:57:36 -0800 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAFDuN6l015132; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:56:24 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:56:23 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: George Michaelson cc: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: Re: [dnsop] comment on reachover in Friday WG meeting In-Reply-To: <20061110095300.71064c3d@garlique.algebras.org> Message-ID: References: <20061110095300.71064c3d@garlique.algebras.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2195/Tue Nov 14 11:53:04 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2195/Tue Nov 14 21:53:04 2006 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on otso.netcore.fi Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Status: O On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, George Michaelson wrote: > With the RIR delegation being a /32 (or shorter) prefix, there are many > more opportunities for DNS sub-structure, and that could lead endsites > to finding they lack the intermediate delegation to have reverse-DNS in > v6. > > The RIR have had a problem with proposals requiring 'reachover' in the > past: we can't really get control tokens into the hands of non-members, > non-participants in RIR activity if the member/delegate doesn't have > things set up, and so getting the more specific v6 (or v4) reverse > delegated is a problem. > > Still a problem in v4, but more potential in v6 for it to occur. I don't believe the typical nesting level of v6 delegations increases more than by one at most -- e.g., if an organization obtained a prefix from upstream ISP rather than directly from a LIR. But regardless of whether one considers that an issue, with v4 you may end up having to do classless IN-ADDR delegations. Many providers don't want to get involved with that due to its (perceived or real) complexities compared to delegations at byte boundaries. With v6, basically always the interesting delegation points are at the nibble boundaries, making it easier to create delegations. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 15 10:02:05 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkMH7-0006fF-Kv for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:02:05 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkMH5-0007vU-7A for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:02:05 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFE99dR031648; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:09:09 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAFE99BW031646; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:09:09 -0800 Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFE99SJ031641 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:09:09 -0800 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (64-142-13-68.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.13.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFE9229001573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:09:03 -0800 Subject: Re: Rathole exit? Was: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF From: Douglas Otis To: "william(at)elan.net" Cc: Andrew Sullivan , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu In-Reply-To: References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114150000.GA29765@afilias.info> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:09:02 -0800 Message-Id: <1163599742.473.135.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2195/Tue Nov 14 11:53:04 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Status: O On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 10:13 -0800, william(at)elan.net wrote: > What you'll also find is that there is no 10x10 but that for each > extra MX to be resolved you actually need to send requests to > attacker's server. A crafted MX response can reduce the size coming from the attacker. The attacker also benefits from the difference between a negative caching interval and that of their MX record TTL. The number per hour needed in a sustained attack at each Bot will not require many MX records to span a negative caching interval. Once the MX records are seeded in local resolvers, only the 100 address record transactions per script execution will not have been cached. > Also the attack has little to do with size of SPF record (or that some > think its near turing-complete; if it were the attack issue would be > how to cause somebody long processing & loops), its primarily using > large domain itself as an amplification due to the same domain having > to be present in QUERY and NXDOMAIN answer. You are describing a technique where the SPF attack amplification is increased! The number of NS records is likely subject to truncation, however a small SPF script still permits 100 victim transactions per execution plus a number of NS record chaining as described! This only increases the impact of an SPF attack! Certainly this does not dismiss SPF as being a significant concern. > > This is what I took Olaf Kolkman to mean when he said that this is an > > architectural issue (I'm sure he'll correct me if I misunderstood). > > This issue that is present in DNS and has been from the start, its both > an issue for resolver and for applications that use certain records. While there has always been some amplification possible with DNS, SPF scripts greatly extend this risk due to the 100 directed transactions per script execution. Execution of an SPF script might occur many times per message. Adding '+all' at the end of the SPF script ensures a PASS result without address records being returned. > I'm not entirely sure how it should be addressed (if at all - this > all is purely theoretical right now) - in general or at applications > that use their specialized records. The deployment of routines that execute SPF scripts in the manner described is not theoretical. Whether these routines stage an attack is conjecture. Recognizing when this occurs will be difficult. A remedy likely requires the concerted blocking of SPF records. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 15 10:37:03 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkMox-0003qe-5S for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:37:03 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkMa4-0002Q4-BS for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:21:45 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFEb8dS032671; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:37:08 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAFEb8tW032669; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:37:08 -0800 Received: from mx.isc.org (mx.isc.org [204.152.184.167]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFEb8AM032662 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:37:08 -0800 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A607B114051; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Joao_Damas@isc.org) Received: from [204.62.249.33] (unknown [84.77.232.136]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0B3E60AC; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Joao_Damas@isc.org) In-Reply-To: References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061027140845.GA24593@nic.fr> <20061109204436.GA4720@sources.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <613CB035-A507-46D6-B53A-E11264198F2B@isc.org> Cc: IETF DNSOP WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joao Damas Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:36:59 +0100 To: Pekka Savola X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2195/Tue Nov 14 11:53:04 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Status: O Pekka, during the meeting we mentioned we would be adding a reference to BCP84 in addition to BCP 38 Joao On 15 Nov 2006, at 14:51, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >>> While I agree that the text need not necessarily be so absolute, I >>> would not consider [such] ingress filtering proper or wide-scale >>> deployment. Better than nothing, to be sure, but not enough. >> >> May be but it does not seem that BCP 38, lauded as the Ultimate and >> Everlasting solution to Everything, strongly warns the ISP about >> that. It seems it contains no discussion or advice about the best >> place to put the antispoofing filters. (Some examples or sentences >> mention filters which are close to the customer, some do not.) > > Which is why I referred to BCP84/RFC3704, which _does_ include this > discussion. > > -- > Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the > Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." > Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings > . > dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ > web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html > mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From jl7.net@thedoppkit.com Wed Nov 15 11:27:05 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkNbN-0007pz-Jc for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:27:05 -0500 Received: from wsip-70-164-22-37.br.br.cox.net ([70.164.22.37] helo=localhost) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkNbL-0004TC-Qq for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c708d2$d864fd80$0100007f@localhost> From: "Aden Bailey" To: Subject: Separate yourself from other men Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:25:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C708D2.D864FD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 4.0 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 715d0e6950aaebd45af78ef9318d0186 Status: O This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C708D2.D864FD80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01C708D2.D864FD80" ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C708D2.D864FD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please view as original HTML. ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C708D2.D864FD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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"IETF DNSOPS WG" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:48:40 -0600 In-Reply-To: <1163576235.473.77.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> (Douglas Otis's message of "Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:15 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: wayne@schlitt.net Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on backbone.schlitt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, GREYLIST_ISWHITE autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on backbone.schlitt.net) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2196/Wed Nov 15 06:16:17 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kAFFn3X4002754 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Status: O In <1163576235.473.77.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Douglas Otis writes: > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 12:16 -0600, wayne wrote: >> In <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Douglas Otis >> writes: >> >> > The SPF script language does not improve data compression. APL RR >> > (RFC3123) provides 10 times the informational density and existed prior >> > to SPF development. >> >> *sigh* >> >> Where do you get this "10 times" claim from? > > Don't ignore the overhead added to SPF scripts, such as various tags and > record chaining. CIDRs listed in 10 chained TXT resource records used > by Paypal.com can be accomplished within a single APL RR, for example. *sigh* let's check your claim about paypal.com that paypal.com can use a single APL RR, apparently that backs up your claim that APL records are *ten times* as short as SPF records. OK, so let's get a list of all IP blocks that paypal currently publishes: (wayne@footbone) $ spfquery -debug -ip=1.2.3.4 -helo=paypal.com 2>&1 | grep ip_match | wc -l 59 huh... paypal.com's SPF record encodes 59 different IP blocks. So, an APL record will need about 59*8=472 bytes. Will this fit in a UDP packet? spfquery -debug -ip=1.2.3.4 -helo=paypal.com 2>&1 | grep ip_match | sed 's;.* == \([0-9.]*\) (\(/[0-9]*\) [0-9.]*):.*;1:\1\2;' | tr '\n' ' ' | sed -e 's/^/_apltest.schlit.net. APL /' -e 's/ $/\n/' _apltest.schlitt.net. APL 1:64.4.240.75/32 1:64.4.240.74/32 1:64.4.244.74/32 1:66.135.209.192/27 1:66.135.197.0/27 1:64.4.240.64/27 1:64.4.244.64/27 1:66.135.215.224/27 1:216.33.244.96/27 1:216.33.244.84/32 1:67.72.99.26/32 1:206.165.246.83/32 1:206.165.246.84/32 1:206.165.246.85/32 1:206.165.246.86/32 1:64.127.115.252/32 1:194.64.234.129/27 1:65.110.161.77/32 1:204.13.11.49/32 1:204.13.11.51/32 1:12.155.144.75/32 1:62.22.61.131/32 1:63.104.149.126/32 1:64.68.79.253/32 1:64.94.204.222/32 1:66.135.215.134/32 1:67.72.12.29/32 1:80.93.9.10/32 1:195.234.136.12/32 1:203.49.69.114/32 1:209.63.28.11/32 1:210.80.80.136/32 1:212.110.10.2/32 1:212.147.136.123/32 1:213.219.8.227/32 1:216.113.168.128/32 1:216.113.175.128/32 1:216.177.178.3/32 1:217.149.33.234/32 1:220.248.6.124/32 1:67.72.12.30/32 1:216.113.188.112/32 1:80.66.137.58/32 1:212.208.64.34/32 1:216.113.188.96/32 1:216.33.244.6/32 1:216.33.244.7/32 1:63.80.14.17/32 1:216.113.188.96/32 1:216.113.188.112/32 1:66.211.168.230/32 ! 1:66.211.168.231/32 1:64.4.240.67/32 1:64.4.240.73/32 1:64.4.240.75/32 1:64.4.244.69/32 1:64.4.244.74/32 1:64.4.244.75/32 1:64.4.240.74/32 (wayne@footbone) $ dig _apltest.schlitt.net apl | head -3 ;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode. ; <<>> DiG 9.3.2-P1 <<>> _apltest.schlitt.net apl Nope. paypal.com can not encode their SPF records into an APL packet without falling back to TCP. Of course, falling back to TCP means that a lot more overhead, almost as much as the current SPF setup. Also, many braindead firewalls block TCP port 53, so I doubt paypal.com would find that acceptable even if it was the only choice. But, as I mentioned in an earlier post, APL records were used by the RMX system. They were rejected for good reasons. Do you really want to rehash all the thousands of posts from the IRTF ASRG, spf-discuss and IETF MARID lists here? I certainly don't. Hint: It isn't must paypal.com that can't use easily APL records, yahoo.com in particular doesn't can't even come close. -wayne . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 15 11:44:34 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkNsI-00070S-Kr for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:44:34 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkNsH-0007BK-8J for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:44:34 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFFtqC7003023; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:55:52 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAFFtqug003021; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:55:52 -0800 Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFFtp1n003016 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:55:51 -0800 Received: from tla.xelerance.com (tla.xelerance.com [193.110.157.130]) by tla.xelerance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E81138006; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:00:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:00:25 +0100 (CET) From: Paul Wouters To: Douglas Otis cc: wayne , IETF DNSOPS WG Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF In-Reply-To: <1163576223.473.76.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Message-ID: References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163576223.473.76.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> X-Message-Flag: You should stop using Outlook and switch to Thunderbird MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: paul@xelerance.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2196/Wed Nov 15 06:16:17 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Status: O On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Douglas Otis wrote: > negative caching to avoid support issues. Even with the level of > amplification reduced, the source of this attack remains hidden and can > continue without recourse. How can an attack be both a DDOS and remain hidden? Please. With current virtualisation techniques, it is easy to setup a test scenario with 4 machines that demonstrate this attack. Please setup such a test setup on Xen, and provide hard data, (not 10x, not 100x) and let look at the validity and reality and quality of the setup. Either you are right and we can work on fixing SPF, or you are wrong and we can finally end this discussion. But like this, it is getting nowhere. 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In-Reply-To: <20061115073936.GA16483@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <20061115073936.GA16483@outpost.ds9a.nl> Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; powerpc-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_HbvMR=25sRpe93WDx1lS3.z"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 23:07:42.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAC428C0:01C7090A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2197/Wed Nov 15 12:23:52 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Status: O --Sig_HbvMR=25sRpe93WDx1lS3.z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:39:36 +0100 bert wrote: BH> On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 01:22:36AM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote: BH> > > (Un)fortunately, the DNS is the best distributed database we have. BH> >=20 BH> > "Not for very much longer." (Columbia, RHPS) BH>=20 BH> Can you elaborate on this intriguing suggestion? Googling on that phrase BH> only brings up pictures of a thing called "the rocky horror picture sho= w". RHPS =3D=3D Rocky Horror Picture Show, and he is quoting a line from "The Time Warp", a song from the show/movie. Columbia was one of the characters, but it was actually Magenta who had this line. In the Time Warp, one line is "time is fleeting", to which the response is "not for very much longer." Since I don't see any upcoming replacement for the DNS, I can only assume that he's saying we're all mad (ie crazy) and caught in a time warp. I for one welcome our new sequined lingerie wearing transvestite overlords. :-) --=20 Robert Story SPARTA --Sig_HbvMR=25sRpe93WDx1lS3.z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFW5e/7/fVLLY1mngRAkAHAJ4vnrk4FIND6H/jRlPwffBJM2RxAgCfcw9G JTYLt+m5ofw6v+Ii8bboZTg= =HTNk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_HbvMR=25sRpe93WDx1lS3.z-- . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Nov 15 18:51:08 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkUX6-000403-C0 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:51:08 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkUX4-0005sH-VH for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:51:08 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFNAWi0026596; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:10:32 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAFNAWhf026594; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:10:32 -0800 Received: from mint.apnic.net (mint.apnic.net [202.12.29.58]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAFNAVQs026589 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:10:31 -0800 Received: from asmtp.apnic.net (garlic.apnic.net [202.12.29.224]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mint.apnic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C05D5F2D; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:10:27 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:10:27 +1000 From: George Michaelson To: Pekka Savola Cc: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: Re: [dnsop] comment on reachover in Friday WG meeting Message-ID: <20061116091027.418fdb50@garlique.algebras.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20061110095300.71064c3d@garlique.algebras.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i386--netbsdelf) X-Fruit-Of-The-Month-Club: persimmon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2197/Wed Nov 15 12:23:52 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Status: O yes, its arguable that there is no automatic extra hierarchy of entities. so in that case, the hop-over problem is probably neutral v4:v6. However, there is a stronger push for provider addressing. Less people are going to be directly delegated. Hence, if their upstream is disinterested in reverse-DNS, the RIR are left with the hop-over problem. The extra dots/delegation opportunities do indeed make for some flexibility. 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Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF From: Douglas Otis To: Paul Wouters Cc: wayne , IETF DNSOPS WG In-Reply-To: References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163576223.473.76.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:44:18 -0800 Message-Id: <1163652258.473.193.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2198/Wed Nov 15 15:19:47 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Status: O On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 17:00 +0100, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Douglas Otis wrote: > > > Even with the level of amplification reduced, the source of this > > attack remains hidden and can continue without recourse. > > How can an attack be both a DDOS and remain hidden? An SPF related attack transverses resolvers offering a legitimate service. The source of an attack is not discerned examining suspicious queries, or SMTP logs within the domain of a resolver transversed. The source of the attack comes from unidentifiable messages referencing malicious SPF scripts located in unidentified domains. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 00:37:42 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkZwU-00020d-SY for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:37:42 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkZwT-00056a-0j for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:37:42 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAG4l1KU008191; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:47:01 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAG4l17N008189; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:47:01 -0800 Received: from backbone.schlitt.net (schlitt.net [67.52.51.34]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAG4l1P9008183 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:47:01 -0800 Received: from wayne by backbone.schlitt.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GkZ9J-0004oX-3M for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:47:00 -0600 From: wayne To: "IETF DNSOPS WG" References: Mail-Copies-To: nobody Reply-To: "IETF DNSOPS WG" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:46:52 -0600 In-Reply-To: (Paul Wouters's message of "Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:27:56 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: wayne@schlitt.net Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on backbone.schlitt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, GREYLIST_ISWHITE autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on backbone.schlitt.net) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2198/Wed Nov 15 15:19:47 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Status: O In Paul Wouters writes: > [large amounts of spam discussion snipped. I think that is > off-topic here ] > As for the mentioned EHLO attack, this is easilly prevented in postfix. > Add to main.cf: > > # reject ehlo string with more then 5 host parts > .*.*.*.*.* "550 HELO string too long, rejecting possible DOS" I'm afraid you have almost completely missed the point of Williams "HELO attack". The first and most important part for this WG is that you don't need lots of labels or anything. If I, as an attacker, can make you do a DNS lookup on a name that I choose, I can make you attack an innocent third party. Simply doing a DNS lookup on the HELO name will do. As will checking to see if email's From: address is a valid domain, or having an tag in an HTMLized email, or sending email through large ISP with a To: address of the attacker's special domain name. Let's look at William's attack again: EHLO big.bad.example.net and he previously set up the following in DNS: $ORIGIN bad.domain.example.net big IN NS victim-dns1.example.com big IN NS victim-dns2.example.com big IN NS victim-dns3.example.com big IN NS victim-dns4.example.com big IN NS victim-dns5.example.com big IN NS victim-dns6.example.com big IN NS victim-dns7.example.com big IN NS victim-dns8.example.com There aren't 5 labels in the EHLO, and the attack could be done with only 2 labels. The whole problem here is that your local resolver will chug through that list of name servers and try asking each one for an answer. Actually, it is worse... We talk about "recursive resolvers" for a reason, they are recursive. Most of the time, you won't find lots of name servers for a victim, but that doesn't make any difference. "victim-dnsX" can be replaced with any string and example.com's name servers will be asked for the A record for it so that the recursive resolver can, in theory, ask it about big.bad.domain.example.net. I'm not sure how many name servers resolvers will try checking, I suspect it will check all of them. I've checked, and my version of bind9 will certainly send up to 20 queries. So, name server records are actually worse than SPF. With SPF, I made sure that there were some limits on the number of queries that can be sent. -wayne . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 00:43:05 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gka1h-0004cP-Fu for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:43:05 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gka1g-0005ZR-08 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:43:05 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAG4iDm7008047; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:44:13 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAG4iDPc008045; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:44:13 -0800 Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAG4iC4Z008040 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:44:13 -0800 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (64-142-13-68.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.13.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAG4iCkN002092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:44:12 -0800 Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF From: Douglas Otis To: IETF DNSOPS WG In-Reply-To: References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163576235.473.77.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:44:11 -0800 Message-Id: <1163652251.473.191.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2198/Wed Nov 15 15:19:47 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Status: O On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 09:48 -0600, wayne wrote: > In <1163576235.473.77.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Douglas Otis > writes: > > > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 12:16 -0600, wayne wrote: > >> In <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Douglas Otis > >> writes: > >> > >> > The SPF script language does not improve data compression. APL > >> > RR (RFC3123) provides 10 times the informational density and > >> > existed prior to SPF development. > >> > >> *sigh* > >> > >> Where do you get this "10 times" claim from? > > > > Don't ignore the overhead added to SPF scripts, such as various tags and > > record chaining. CIDRs listed in 10 chained TXT resource records used > > by Paypal.com can be accomplished within a single APL RR, for example. > > *sigh* > > let's check your claim about paypal.com that paypal.com can use a > single APL RR, apparently that backs up your claim that APL records > are *ten times* as short as SPF records. ... > paypal.com's SPF record encodes 59 different IP blocks. So,an APL > record will need about 59*8=472 bytes. Will this fit in a UDP packet? Check paypal's existing SPF records... $ dig paypal.com TXT ;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode. ; <<>> DiG 9.3.3rc2 <<>> paypal.com TXT ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 39361 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 4 ;; Query time: 27 msec ;; SERVER: 208.201.224.33#53(208.201.224.33) ;; WHEN: Wed Nov 15 19:44:29 2006 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 477 >>> --- Even SPF records used by paypal.com do not fit! Disney indicated their inability to fit all of their IP addresses within SPF records as well. Clearly SPF represents data structures far too large for safely publishing with DNS. SPF scripts do not reduce the record size as Andras suggested. In this case, SPF with TCP fallback makes paypal.com prone themselves. There are any number of ways to resolve the fundamental design problem, and several solutions have been suggested. This list is not where solutions are to be discussed however. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 01:47:33 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkb25-0006Mi-6f for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:47:33 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkb20-0004ah-OC for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:47:33 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAG5lKH5009996; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:47:20 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAG5lKju009994; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:47:20 -0800 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id kAG5lJRA009989 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:47:19 -0800 Received: from webmail12.lax.untd.com (webmail12.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.152]) by smtpout05.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCXZ83UAUE6SBA for (sender ); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:46:26 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: AcganUYbgVGZ0C6nm/9IPatablCmMCeKRir2f3n8eGk9ixerX1jGtw== Received: (from fergdawg@netzero.net) by webmail12.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L7ABUUZF; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:45:54 PST Received: from [24.23.201.115] by webmail12.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 05:45:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.23.201.115] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Fergie" Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 05:45:17 GMT To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20061115.214554.3483.1466404@webmail12.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 4:6:2608938376 X-MAIL-INFO: 54f9a54c49a52c4939b8ede1993d3dc56d212dcd6d250800b921297d111dbd0ca9d18598d895d9f8d8f8f85998c8f1c98d2c2cb981392c5c3df1997c2875a9a8a8d809051895 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.152|webmail12.lax.untd.com|webmail12.lax.untd.com|fergdawg@netzero.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2199/Wed Nov 15 19:54:28 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kAG5lKRA009991 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Status: O -- wayne wrote: >I'm afraid you have almost completely missed the point of Williams >"HELO attack". Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but DNS has been on the 'Top 20' vulnerability report for the past 7 years. get over it. Seven years in a row: http://www.sans.org/top20/?ref=1814 Doesn't that tell you guys something? - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From gfmchannel.com@onnagata.com Thu Nov 16 02:04:37 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkbIb-0006rL-Q3 for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:04:37 -0500 Received: from cor7-ppp153.for.dialup.connect.net.au ([61.69.128.153] helo=localhost) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkbIV-0006sB-Uw for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:04:37 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 2eba37fe9c77781b0ecb0a74d8c65128 Status: O From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 02:06:42 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkbKc-0007Sm-Qk for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:06:42 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkbKb-000788-Du for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:06:42 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAG6EHmI010713; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:14:17 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAG6EHTu010711; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:14:17 -0800 Received: from backbone.schlitt.net (schlitt.net [67.52.51.34]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAG6EGL0010706 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:14:17 -0800 Received: from wayne by backbone.schlitt.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GkaVm-0006C3-8I for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:14:16 -0600 From: wayne To: "IETF DNSOPS WG" References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163576235.473.77.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163652251.473.191.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mail-Copies-To: nobody Reply-To: "IETF DNSOPS WG" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:14:09 -0600 In-Reply-To: <1163652251.473.191.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> (Douglas Otis's message of "Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:44:11 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: wayne@schlitt.net Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on backbone.schlitt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, GREYLIST_ISWHITE autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on backbone.schlitt.net) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2199/Wed Nov 15 19:54:28 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Status: O In <1163652251.473.191.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Douglas Otis writes: > > Check paypal's existing SPF records... > > $ dig paypal.com TXT > ;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode. > > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 477 >>>> --- Weird. I get 413 bytes and no fallback to TCP. > Disney indicated their inability to fit all of their IP addresses within > SPF records as well. Clearly SPF represents data structures far too > large for safely publishing with DNS. SPF scripts do not reduce the > record size as Andras suggested. In this case, SPF with TCP fallback > makes paypal.com prone themselves. huh... (wayne@footbone) $ host -t txt disney.com disney.com TXT "v=spf1 mx -all" looks like they don't have a problem fitting. You can always publish SPF records along the lines of: "v=spf1 exists:%{ir}._whitelist.large-domain.com -all" This creates a DNSBL-type lookup. As I'm sure you are quite aware, DNSBLs can scale to very large sizes. This will cost one extra DNS lookup. If you want to optimize it, you can use the ip4: mechanism to list your most common sending IP addresses at the beginning. -wayne . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 04:47:11 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkdpv-0000aj-KK for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 04:47:11 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkdpt-0005zH-6U for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 04:47:11 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAG8w5Bd016233; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:58:05 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAG8w555016231; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:58:05 -0800 Received: from sokol.elan.net (sokol.elan.net [216.151.192.200]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAG8w58i016209 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:58:05 -0800 Received: from sokol.elan.net (sokol [127.0.0.1]) by sokol.elan.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAG8vx8v030906 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:57:59 -0800 Received: from localhost (william@localhost) by sokol.elan.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id kAG8vx99030903 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:57:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: sokol.elan.net: william owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:57:59 -0800 (PST) From: "william(at)elan.net" To: IETF DNSOPS WG Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163576235.473.77.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163652251.473.191.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2199/Wed Nov 15 19:54:28 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Status: O On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, wayne wrote: > In <1163652251.473.191.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Douglas Otis writes: > >> >> Check paypal's existing SPF records... >> >> $ dig paypal.com TXT >> ;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode. >> >> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 477 >>>>> --- > > Weird. I get 413 bytes and no fallback to TCP. The difference is due to "additional section" which includes ip addresses of their NS servers. Paypal's DNS servers by default send all of them even for non-NS queries. Depending on which dns server you use you may not see it in response or your own dns server may not resend it to you and may just cache locally ip address of the NS server it actually got the answer from (but if you query multiple times it would learn): -------------------------------------------------------------- dig @ns1.nix.paypal.com paypal.com txt ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns1.nix.paypal.com. 3600 IN A 64.4.240.70 ns1.sc5.paypal.com. 3600 IN A 64.4.244.70 ns2.nix.paypal.com. 3600 IN A 64.4.240.71 ns2.sc5.paypal.com. 3600 IN A 64.4.244.71 ;; Query time: 14 msec ;; SERVER: 64.4.240.70#53(64.4.240.70) ;; WHEN: Thu Nov 16 00:41:41 2006 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 477 -------------------------------------------------------------- This is BTW related to another form of attack where somebody would make a request and together with it send unsolicited response to caching DNS server to increase size of its response; after that send short queries (from spoofed addresses) and long answers are sent and you amplification DoS [or change real answer to get resolver "in trouble" and confused] DNS is full of those little gadgets for use by bad guys - look at the link by Fergie if you want to get more embarrassed ... -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 10:11:41 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkitx-0004jL-Qe for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:11:41 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkitt-0000Q4-BJ for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:11:41 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGEJuDc027483; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:19:56 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAGEJuN1027481; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:19:56 -0800 Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGEJt5e027467 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:19:55 -0800 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (64-142-13-68.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.13.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGEJtfH011336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:19:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... From: Douglas Otis To: IETF DNSOPS WG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:19:54 -0800 Message-Id: <1163686794.473.216.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2199/Wed Nov 15 19:54:28 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Status: O On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 22:46 -0600, wayne wrote: > In Paul Wouters > writes: > > > [large amounts of spam discussion snipped. I think that is > > off-topic here ] > > > > As for the mentioned EHLO attack, this is easilly prevented in > > postfix. Add to main.cf: > > > > # reject ehlo string with more then 5 host parts > > .*.*.*.*.* "550 HELO string too long, rejecting possible DOS" > > > I'm afraid you have almost completely missed the point of Williams > "HELO attack". > > The first and most important part for this WG is that you don't need > lots of labels or anything. If I, as an attacker, can make you do a > DNS lookup on a name that I choose, I can make you attack an innocent > third party. ... > > So, name server records are actually worse than SPF. With SPF, I made > sure that there were some limits on the number of queries that can be > sent. Wayne, you have missed the point as well. In addition to a possible 100 victim targeted queries, SPF provides the attacker more than 111 opportunities per execution of an SPF script to introduce an NS chaining scheme as well. SPF makes an NS chaining problem 111 times worse! In addition, early termination of an SPF script coupled with initiation of another script defeats exponential back-off. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 11:06:06 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkjkc-0004Ux-J9 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:06:06 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkjkb-0007sQ-5o for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:06:06 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGFL2co029423; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:21:02 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAGFL27B029421; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:21:02 -0800 Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGFL2WQ029416 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:21:02 -0800 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (64-142-13-68.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.13.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGFL1wG028435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:21:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF From: Douglas Otis To: IETF DNSOPS WG In-Reply-To: References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163576235.473.77.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163652251.473.191.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:21:01 -0800 Message-Id: <1163690461.473.251.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2200/Thu Nov 16 06:10:16 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Status: O On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 00:14 -0600, wayne wrote: > In <1163652251.473.191.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Douglas Otis > writes: > > You can always publish SPF records along the lines of: > > "v=spf1 exists:%{ir}._whitelist.large-domain.com -all" > > This creates a DNSBL-type lookup. As I'm sure you are quite aware, > DNSBLs can scale to very large sizes. This will cost one extra DNS > lookup. If you want to optimize it, you can use the ip4: mechanism to > list your most common sending IP addresses at the beginning. If this scheme were the _only_ solution, an immense threat would have been avoid (along with the extra lookup). Publishing white-lists can still be accommodated with APL using standardized prefixes. SPF is like using scripts, rather than bitmaps, to describe fonts offering any number of features, such as flashing text, moving arrows, and winking smiley faces. Alas, as with any script, evil remains possible and can lurk within the obfuscation of complexity and variability. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 11:15:57 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkju9-00075I-RL for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:15:57 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkju5-0000gN-CO for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:15:57 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGFSqkH029623; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:28:52 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAGFSqsx029621; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:28:52 -0800 Received: from backbone.schlitt.net (schlitt.net [67.52.51.34]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGFSpcX029616 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:28:52 -0800 Received: from wayne by backbone.schlitt.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GkjAK-0008DV-SC for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:28:51 -0600 From: wayne To: "IETF DNSOPS WG" References: <20061115.214554.3483.1466404@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Mail-Copies-To: nobody Reply-To: "IETF DNSOPS WG" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:28:35 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20061115.214554.3483.1466404@webmail12.lax.untd.com> (Fergie's message of "Thu, 16 Nov 2006 05:45:17 GMT") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: wayne@schlitt.net Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on backbone.schlitt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, GREYLIST_ISWHITE autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on backbone.schlitt.net) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2200/Thu Nov 16 06:10:16 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 Status: O In <20061115.214554.3483.1466404@webmail12.lax.untd.com> "Fergie" writes: > -- wayne wrote: > >>I'm afraid you have almost completely missed the point of Williams >>"HELO attack". > > Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but DNS has been on the 'Top 20' > vulnerability report for the past 7 years. get over it. > > Seven years in a row: > > http://www.sans.org/top20/?ref=1814 Yeah, but that just mentions DNS reflector attacks and cache poisoning. William's attack is different. All you have to do as an attacker is publish "valid" records and get people to do normal DNS lookups on it. Lots of people publish NS records that cause lame delegations. Lots of people have broken MX records. The only difference here is the quantity of these records and, of course, the intent. I just checked this morning when all my zones have propagated and caches have timed out. A *single* lookup on clinte.schlitt.net triggers 40 packets to and another 40 packets from a victim domain (the name servers for example.com, iana-servers.net), and another 40/40 packets involved a gtld-servers.net server. As the attacker, it put a 3/3 packet load on my name server. Checking the sizes of the packets, it looks like I could probably increase number of NS records in bad.schlitt.net and ugly.schlitt.net from 20 to maybe 30, and clinte.schlitt.net could easily be involved with more just "bad" and "ugly" with its NS records. (Yeah, this NS record attack uses just two levels of recursion on the attacker side.) Now, remember above where I mentioned that lame delegations are all too common? OK, right now clinte.schlitt.net gives a SERVFAIL, but if I add just *one* valid NS somewhere in there, it could be used for any normal purpose that any other domain could be used for. Put a bunch of web bugs into HTMLized spam or on free pr0n pages, and *poof*, a nice DoS attack. Heck, on the pr0n pages, you would probably put the real images on the domain name that triggers the DoS attack, that way you would be sure that the DoS was completely done. > Doesn't that tell you guys something? Yeah, it tells me that DNS was developed at a time when people were, at worst "having fun" in the compsci classes and abusive behavior could be caught and whacked pretty easily. Being liberal with what you accept only works if you know that everyone else is honestly trying to be conservative with what they send. :-< When I was involved with the development of SPF, I was concerned about DoS potentials and worked hard to make sure that limits were put into it. I'm not seeing any limits to prevent DoS attacks via DNS. As Stuart Gathman mentioned on an SPF list, maybe there needs to be a count of the number of lame delegations or broken MX records and only allow a few before declaring the whole thing as "filthy" and stopping. This kind of check needs to be put into *every* protocol that does any sort of indirection on DNS records. 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From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 12:32:06 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkl3i-0001E0-QV for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:29:54 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkkr7-0000mS-CU for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:16:54 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGGHM2t031132; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:17:22 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAGGHMlv031130; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:17:22 -0800 Received: from sokol.elan.net (sokol.elan.net [216.151.192.200]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGGHMHd031125 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:17:22 -0800 Received: from sokol.elan.net (sokol [127.0.0.1]) by sokol.elan.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAGGHGga013623 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:17:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (william@localhost) by sokol.elan.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id kAGGHGOJ013620 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:17:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: sokol.elan.net: william owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:17:16 -0800 (PST) From: "william(at)elan.net" To: IETF DNSOPS WG Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... In-Reply-To: <1163686794.473.216.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Message-ID: References: <1163686794.473.216.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2200/Thu Nov 16 06:10:16 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Status: O On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, Douglas Otis wrote: >> So, name server records are actually worse than SPF. With SPF, I made >> sure that there were some limits on the number of queries that can be >> sent. > > Wayne, you have missed the point as well. In addition to a possible 100 > victim targeted queries, SPF provides the attacker more than 111 > opportunities per execution of an SPF script to introduce an NS chaining > scheme as well. SPF makes an NS chaining problem 111 times worse! In > addition, early termination of an SPF script coupled with initiation of > another script defeats exponential back-off. Like I said in my original post on this subject it all comes down to the timeout (either the one from SPF processor or the one from resolver itself or application one) as there are enough opportunities with & without SPF to do chaining and in the end the end its going to be about same amplification. The thing I'm seriously afraid of are "advanced" libraries designed for high-end multi-threaded systems that would try to send multiple requests asynchronously. For SPF that means multiple listed "exists" and/or "mx" instead of trying first and then 2nd, etc - but I don't think there are any doing it this way right now even though SPF allows for it in its design. More serious issue maybe mail servers as there are some that would try to get resolution for all listed MX in a asynchronous manner. Lucky for us the number of such deployments are few where as attack depends on great number of systems doing it. P.S. I'm not sure this discussion is good to be held on public mail list. Think about who it helps most when we publicly brainstorm most useful way to accomplish this sort of attack? === William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 13:59:57 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkmSq-0005bZ-U8 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:59:56 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkmSm-0005Jg-FW for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:59:56 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGIAdqi003911; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:10:39 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAGIAdWl003909; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:10:39 -0800 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id kAGIAdJC003904 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:10:39 -0800 Received: from webmail01.lax.untd.com (webmail01.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.141]) by smtpout07.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCX3LNXAWMXUQS for (sender ); Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:10:29 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: AcganUYbgVGZ0C6nm/9IPatablCmMCeK+FkY/EnYueXvrc9ETFxBEw== Received: (from fergdawg@netzero.net) by webmail01.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L7BNFNXH; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:10:10 PST Received: from [168.61.0.42] by webmail01.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:09:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [168.61.0.42] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Fergie" Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:09:50 GMT To: wayne@schlitt.net Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20061116.101010.9049.1470495@webmail01.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 13:6:2550027759 X-MAIL-INFO: 462d6171696121690d25450c8111118459c0e54d5941297420c0e9a09575bd153de14024707991a170a1a1d424a434a5f0212120b10d21c11134813554f53d3939707dedb579 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.141|webmail01.lax.untd.com|webmail01.lax.untd.com|fergdawg@netzero.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2200/Thu Nov 16 06:10:16 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailapps.uoregon.edu id kAGIAdJC003906 Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca Status: O -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- wayne wrote: >In <20061115.214554.3483.1466404@webmail12.lax.untd.com> "Fergie" > writes: > >> -- wayne wrote: >> >>>I'm afraid you have almost completely missed the point of Williams >>>"HELO attack". >> >> Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but DNS has been on the 'Top 20' >> vulnerability report for the past 7 years. get over it. >> >> Seven years in a row: >> >> http://www.sans.org/top20/?ref=1814 > >Yeah, but that just mentions DNS reflector attacks and cache >poisoning. > Again, my point was the fact that DNS is the _only_ entry in the SANS Top 20 vulnerability traget list which has been on the list 7 years in a row, since it's inception. That's nothing to sneeze at and/or trivialize. :-) - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.1 (Build 1557) wj8DBQFFXKlhq1pz9mNUZTMRAqLrAJ49oeuVx4BfHljxLPkn7L3Q3/4AWACg0X9z V/IFFxy/Gc5VBX3zCp5qEIE= =2fr4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 14:03:49 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkmWb-00078V-Cm for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:03:49 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkmWZ-0005jo-Um for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:03:49 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGIFUxp004301; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:15:30 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAGIFUcm004299; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:15:30 -0800 Received: from backbone.schlitt.net (schlitt.net [67.52.51.34]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGIFT4k004294 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:15:29 -0800 Received: from wayne by backbone.schlitt.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GkllU-0002zD-0Z for dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:15:28 -0600 From: wayne To: "IETF DNSOPS WG" References: <1163686794.473.216.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mail-Copies-To: nobody Reply-To: "IETF DNSOPS WG" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:15:06 -0600 In-Reply-To: (william elan net's message of "Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:17:16 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: wayne@schlitt.net Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on backbone.schlitt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, GREYLIST_ISWHITE autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on backbone.schlitt.net) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2200/Thu Nov 16 06:10:16 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Status: O In "william(at)elan.net" writes: > On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, Douglas Otis wrote: > >>> So, name server records are actually worse than SPF. With SPF, I made >>> sure that there were some limits on the number of queries that can be >>> sent. >> >> Wayne, you have missed the point as well. In addition to a possible 100 >> victim targeted queries, SPF provides the attacker more than 111 >> opportunities per execution of an SPF script to introduce an NS chaining >> scheme as well. SPF makes an NS chaining problem 111 times worse! In >> addition, early termination of an SPF script coupled with initiation of >> another script defeats exponential back-off. > > Like I said in my original post on this subject it all comes down to > the timeout (either the one from SPF processor or the one from > resolver itself or application one) [...] Yes, the SPF RFC4408 does talk about timeouts, but it is limited to a "MAY time out", rather than a SHOULD or a MUST. RFC4408 does say that "SPF implementations SHOULD limit the total amount of data obtained vis DNS queries", which again helps limit this general problem for the specific case of SPF. Unfortunately, I not so sure that the recursive name servers have a timeout. Resolver libraries and things that use /etc/resolv.conf do, but from my initial checking, it appears that things like bind's named continue to process request. > P.S. I'm not sure this discussion is good to be held on public mail > list. Think about who it helps most when we publicly brainstorm most > useful way to accomplish this sort of attack? I agree with this. That is why clinte.schlitt.net has a short TTL and I didn't make it trivial to determine the exact NS records. (e.g., "dig clinte.schlitt.net ns" will return SERVFAIL rather than tell you want is going on.) Basically, when I saw a problem like this in SPF, I took steps to change things to try and make it safer. I'm not sure if I managed to put all appropriate limits into the spec, but it is better now than when I started. (And, no where near as bad as Doug makes out.) 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From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 15:09:47 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GknYR-0001ML-SI for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:09:47 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GknYQ-0004W1-Cb for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:09:47 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGJJp71007765; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:19:51 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAGJJpxi007763; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:19:51 -0800 Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGJJoRD007758 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:19:50 -0800 Received: from [168.61.10.136] (SJC-Office-DHCP-136.Mail-Abuse.ORG [168.61.10.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGJJn5h032405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:19:49 -0800 In-Reply-To: References: <1163686794.473.216.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <28B3DA74-4E59-4D8A-BAEB-5F0DCF2EE21B@mail-abuse.org> Cc: IETF DNSOPS WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Otis Subject: Re: [dnsop] SPF amplification while defeating exponential back-off Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:19:46 -0800 To: "william(at)elan.net" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2200/Thu Nov 16 06:10:16 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Status: O On Nov 16, 2006, at 8:17 AM, william(at)elan.net wrote: > On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, Douglas Otis wrote: > >>> So, name server records are actually worse than SPF. With SPF, I >>> made sure that there were some limits on the number of queries >>> that can be sent. >> >> Wayne, you have missed the point as well. In addition to a >> possible 100 victim targeted queries, SPF provides the attacker >> more than 111 opportunities per execution of an SPF script to >> introduce an NS chaining scheme as well. SPF makes an NS chaining >> problem 111 times worse! In addition, early termination of an SPF >> script coupled with initiation of another script defeats >> exponential back-off. > > Like I said in my original post on this subject it all comes down > to the timeout (either the one from SPF processor or the one from > resolver itself or application one) as there are enough > opportunities with & without SPF to do chaining and in the end the > end its going to be about same amplification. In some SPF routines, a timeout is as short as 5 seconds and DNS transaction potentials for SPF scripts remains at multiples of 100! Attacks may leverage spam sent from bot-nets which represent more than 70% of the sources. An SPF related attack demands little of the bot-net's resources. > The thing I'm seriously afraid of are "advanced" libraries designed > for high-end multi-threaded systems that would try to send multiple > requests asynchronously. When a victim is targeted by the distribution of messages referencing malicious SPF scripts, then "advanced" libraries are not required before abrupt timeouts become highly problematic. > For SPF that means multiple listed "exists" and/or "mx" instead of > trying first and then 2nd, etc - but I don't think there are any > doing it this way right now even though SPF allows for it in its > design. More serious issue maybe mail servers as there are some > that would try to get resolution for all listed MX in a > asynchronous manner. Lucky for us the number of such deployments > are few where as attack depends on great number of systems doing it. There seems to be agreement an SPF exploit as described can be constructed that exceeds the number of DNS transactions indicated in the spf-dos-exploit draft. Your techniques simply increase this number. Why quibble over the gains achieved by a difference between the TTL of attacking records with that of negative caching? One day MX record retention with 5 minute negative cache retention (which may not be controlled by the victim) means 288 negative address references might be made for each malicious MX record reference. There are similar attacks that simply chain 11 wildcard SPF records without relying upon negative caching. SPF record chaining removes an ability to detect suspicious records as well. SPF scripts introduce many avenues of attack. : ( The problem you are currently describing exists without "advanced" SPF libraries. SPF script execution must be considered in aggregate. Thousands of such libraries will be employed by an attacker. SPF scripts can be used that completely flood a network backbone interconnect. > P.S. I'm not sure this discussion is good to be held on public mail > list. Think about who it helps most when we publicly brainstorm > most useful way to accomplish this sort of attack? In the spf-dos-exploit draft, this statement was made: "Other techniques can further increase the severity of such an attack, but are not reviewed." Your efforts to point out other DNS weaknesses only strengthens concerns related to SPF scripts. This is not a general problem related to DNS. SPF scripts dramatically increase the impact especially, when other weaknesses are also exploited. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Thu Nov 16 18:25:23 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gkqbj-0002WJ-7Z for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:25:23 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkqXo-0003be-Gb for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:21:21 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGMVrPo016746; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:31:53 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAGMVr5x016744; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:31:53 -0800 Received: from mx.isc.org (mx.isc.org [204.152.184.167]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAGMVrmh016738 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:31:53 -0800 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1208011402C for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CABE60A9 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAGMViCc099060 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:31:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200611162231.kAGMViCc099060@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: "IETF DNSOPS WG" From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: [dnsop] what scares me about doug... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:15:06 MDT." Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:31:44 +1100 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2200/Thu Nov 16 06:10:16 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Status: O > Unfortunately, I not so sure that the recursive name servers have a > timeout. Resolver libraries and things that use /etc/resolv.conf do, > but from my initial checking, it appears that things like bind's named > continue to process request. 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From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Nov 17 12:31:49 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gl7Z7-0006Fg-4s for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:31:49 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gl7YG-0008Hm-9i for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:31:49 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAHGf3BT021757; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:41:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAHGf3jt021755; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:41:03 -0800 Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (virtual3.netaktiv.com [80.67.170.53]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAHGf20r021750 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:41:03 -0800 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 569CD240813; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:41:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by fetiche (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B1EDF17B0B; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:40:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:40:29 -0800 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF Message-ID: <20061117164029.GA1766@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163576235.473.77.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163652251.473.191.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163690461.473.251.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1163690461.473.251.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2201/Fri Nov 17 04:16:33 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Status: O On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 07:21:01AM -0800, Douglas Otis wrote a message of 31 lines which said: > SPF is like using scripts, rather than bitmaps, to describe fonts > offering any number of features, such as flashing text, moving > arrows, and winking smiley faces. I typically never replies to Otis' emails or I-Ds because it is obvious he is just motivated by a personal anti-SPF drive but this presentation of digital typography is ridiculous: using scripts instead of bitmaps for fonts have much more advantages, the most obvious one being the ability to scale the text. If Otis knows about DNS as much as about typography, I understand a lot of things... . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From deborahquintana@calidan.com Fri Nov 17 13:01:35 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gl81v-0004hp-Ar for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:01:35 -0500 Received: from [203.177.249.54] (helo=1266ce183b6b470) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gl81i-0003ht-G8; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:01:35 -0500 Received: from 203.87.12.245 (HELO mail.calidan.com) by ietf.org with esmtp (S6PTLEA6NY1K KU2YZ) id 618OU1-R67CKH-79 for djsirflyer@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:01:18 -0480 From: "Tyson Brewer" To: Subject: Brewer message Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:01:18 -0480 Message-ID: <01c70a72$61b04540$6c822ecf@deborahquintana> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1437 Thread-Index: Aca6QOW5SWOPCBF5OMBNBC0YFQJZWG== X-Spam-Score: 4.2 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Status: O Our Hottest pick this year! 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From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Nov 17 13:37:13 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gl8aP-0007JB-R0 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:37:13 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gl8aL-0000Ca-1K for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:37:13 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAHHrhrV024528; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:53:43 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAHHrhLL024526; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:53:43 -0800 Received: from cirrus.av8.net (cirrus.av8.net [130.105.36.66]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAHHrgI3024521 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:53:43 -0800 Received: from piper.av8.net (piper.av8.net [130.105.11.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by cirrus.av8.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAHHrSTM006203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:53:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:53:28 -0500 (EST) From: Dean Anderson X-X-Sender: dean@piper.av8.net To: "william(at)elan.net" cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2201/Fri Nov 17 04:16:33 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Status: O Several wrong things here: On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, william(at)elan.net wrote: > Lets assume that an attacker controls domain big.bad.domain.example.net > (for good amplification the name needs to be pretty long; for better > view in email post I'm not doing it). He sends email with SMTP session > starting as > EHLO big.bad.example.net [...] > Now what happens is that each mail server that received > the email would try to resolve big.bad.domain.example.net and as part > of that would come to bad.domain.example.net and would be by means of > NS directed to victim DNS servers. Ahh, no. Only if you actually resolve this name, rather than just log it. The SMTP server does not need to resolve this name, and learns nothing by doing so. (yet another "anti-spam" gun-foot-fire-aim problem?). There is no improved security in resolving such names, any more than having in-addr proves one isn't a spammer. > Victim servers would each answer that they are non-authoritative but > would have to include large domain (imagine big.bad.example.com being > close to maximum DNS label size) No, only one server would answer. That server either recurses (remember the discussion about "reflectors are evil"), with the right answer (from cache, even), or else it gives a (relatively larger) response containing authority records directing to the nameservers that are authoritative for the domain. [Gee, it looks like reflectors are actually "good". I wish I had put this in my opposition to draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt] There is no significant amplification. Any DNS query has a response larger than the question, so there is always some small amplification potential. Probably one could think of an EDNSO response with 8k bytes of authority records, but I think such a record would pretty obviously be custom made for abuse, rather than a legitimate purpose record, and dealt with appropriately. I don't think this particular issue of authority records is really much of a problem. Certainly not when compared with the problems associated with 4k to 8k byte SPF and IN-ADDR records which do occur legitimately, where the amplification is upwards of 90x. The executing of arbitrary time-consuming SPF scripts on the SPF-using victim is a problem, but only for those people who use SPF. (again, gun-foot-fire-aim). Its a problem in the SPF standards and SPF architecture. This problem can't be fixed operationally except by NOT running arbitrary SPF scripts. Of course, Information Theory shows conclusively that you can't stop spam with things like DNS or SPF. It seems to me that the fact that other people want to waste their time on such scams should not be not a DNSOP concern unless it affects stability or operations in someway. It seems to me that only their own stability is affected, and then only because of their insistence on ignoring the laws of physics and nature. 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From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Nov 17 16:16:47 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GlB4p-0004e4-9w for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:16:47 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GlB4l-0006I3-31 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:16:47 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAHKXxDw031333; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:33:59 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAHKXxGu031331; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:33:59 -0800 Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAHKXwLt031326 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:33:58 -0800 Received: from [168.61.10.136] (SJC-Office-DHCP-136.Mail-Abuse.ORG [168.61.10.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAHKXsIG002467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:33:57 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20061117164029.GA1766@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <20061113223701.GA27109@afilias.info> <1163484907.24789.129.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061114103345.GA20196@dns.net> <1163520010.24789.222.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163576235.473.77.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163652251.473.191.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <1163690461.473.251.camel@bash.adsl-64-142-13-68> <20061117164029.GA1766@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Otis Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Rathole exit? Was: Doug's attack scenarios without SPF Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:33:51 -0800 To: Stephane Bortzmeyer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2201/Fri Nov 17 04:16:33 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Status: O On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 07:21:01AM -0800, > Douglas Otis wrote > a message of 31 lines which said: > >> SPF is like using scripts, rather than bitmaps, to describe fonts >> offering any number of features, such as flashing text, moving >> arrows, and winking smiley faces. > > I typically never replies to Otis' emails or I-Ds because it is > obvious he is just motivated by a personal anti-SPF drive but this > presentation of digital typography is ridiculous: using scripts > instead of bitmaps for fonts have much more advantages, the most > obvious one being the ability to scale the text. If Otis knows > about DNS as much as about typography, I understand a lot of things... The scale of the SPF query process returning all IP addresses authorized to send messages for specific domain is daunting. This issue is expressed in the spf-dos-exploit draft. Being the target of DoS abuse increases one's attention to details. While respecting efforts made by Wayne, William and others from MARID, the basis of the SPF design remains flawed. Fixing SPF requires a fundamental design change. Wayne's libraries are the most conservative of those examined, although his scheme remains problematic for several domains. Scripts indeed allow features that many come to expect. Scripts however also represent a significant security threat. With SPF, the victim of this threat can be any third-party not involved in the message's transaction. The font analogy was an attempt to make a comparison, where indeed many desirable features are made possible by executing a script, rather than rigidly applying fixed data structures. Email, all too often, is not about dealing with messages from known sources. As such, it remains a bad idea to fetch html images and execute scripts contained within these messages automatically. Many consider SPF script to be somehow different. Unlike those cases mentioned, many expect SPF to be executed automatically without knowledge of the originator. For many, the purpose of the SPF script is to discern whether an SMTP client is authorized, without ever knowing who is being authorized and who is making the reference to the script. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Fri Nov 17 17:50:47 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GlCXn-0005om-3A for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:50:47 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GlCXk-0005oq-NI for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:50:47 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAHL2r6F032396; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:02:53 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kAHL2rC1032394; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:02:53 -0800 Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAHL2rQi032389 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:02:53 -0800 Received: from [168.61.10.136] (SJC-Office-DHCP-136.Mail-Abuse.ORG [168.61.10.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAHL2JYX029604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:02:23 -0800 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: "william(at)elan.net" , dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Otis Subject: Re: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:02:18 -0800 To: Dean Anderson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2201/Fri Nov 17 04:16:33 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Status: O On Nov 17, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Dean Anderson wrote: > The executing of arbitrary time-consuming SPF scripts on the SPF- > using victim is a problem, but only for those people who use SPF. > (again, gun-foot-fire-aim). Its a problem in the SPF standards and > SPF architecture. This problem can't be fixed operationally except > by NOT running arbitrary SPF scripts. The primary motivation for larger domains publishing SPF is to be white-listed by a few major providers demanding records for this purpose. A laudable goal that can be more safely done using other methods. A major software vendor is paying MTA vendors 50K to implement these libraries. The libraries executing SPF scripts can easily affect those not using SPF. SPF offers indirection with the hundreds of transactions invoked allowing anyone to covertly become a victim. The present SPF transaction limit per execution is 10 mechanism by 10 target resolutions. If receiving a message would normally involve requesting and resolving all MX target addresses, then executing one SPF script would increase these risks by a factor of 10. But there are multiple names within a message that might be used to check for authorization. The level of risk also increases by how many names are being checked. A PRA failure will likely lead to checking the Mail From, for example. Soon DKIM might be added to this list. -Doug . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From My@pattersonpumps.com Sat Nov 18 04:46:12 2006 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GlMm3-0003y6-BO for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 04:46:11 -0500 Received: from 144.pool80-102-122.dynamic.uni2.es ([80.102.122.144]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GlMlz-0004hT-QV for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 04:46:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c70af6$602ec960$907a6650@privada0> From: "spent" To: dnsop-archive@ietf.org Subject: charts SEC filings Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 10:46:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C70AFE.C1F33160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: e1924de3f9fb68e58c31920136007eb1 Status: O ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C70AFE.C1F33160 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0005_01C70AFE.C1F33160" ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C70AFE.C1F33160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C70AFE.C1F33160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:58:51 -0800 Received: from deneb.vpn.enyo.de ([212.9.189.177] helo=deneb.enyo.de) by mail.enyo.de with esmtp id 1GmGDm-0006AJ-H4; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:58:30 +0100 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GmGDi-0005Gn-Bz; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:58:26 +0100 From: Florian Weimer To: "william(at)elan.net" Cc: dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] Doug's attack scenarios without SPF References: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:58:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: (william elan net's message of "Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:01:57 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87ejrxg7il.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2208/Mon Nov 20 09:20:46 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Status: O * william elan net: > Lets assume that an attacker controls domain big.bad.domain.example.net > (for good amplification the name needs to be pretty long; for better > view in email post I'm not doing it). He sends email with SMTP session > starting as > EHLO big.bad.example.net > and he previously set up the following in DNS: > $ORIGIN bad.domain.example.net > big IN NS victim-dns1.example.com > big IN NS victim-dns2.example.com [snip] This is part of a much larger problem. You can achieve the same effect with IMG SRC= links on a popular web service (for instance, an ad server). It is very hard to fix properly because at one point, you need to send a packet, only to learn that it was unsolicited. But the damage has already been done. Curiously, SPF tries to solve this vert problem, but in the end, it only shifts the potential damage. Every technical countermeasure would probably fail in a similar manner. . dnsop resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/index.html From owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Tue Nov 21 07:00:27 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmUId-00017U-Hb for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:00:27 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmUIc-0003H2-28 for dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:00:27 -0500 Received: from mailapps.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kALBFqwP022674; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 03:15:52 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id kALBFqVg022672; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 03:15:52 -0800 Received: from smtp.denic.de (smtp.denic.de [81.91.161.3]) by mailapps.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kALBFpGO022667 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 03:15:51 -0800 Received: from mail-int1.denic.de (mail-int1.denic.de [192.168.0.45]) by smtp.denic.de with esmtp id 1GmTbN-0002Id-Oh; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:15:45 +0100 Received: from localhost by mail-int1.denic.de with local id 1GmTbN-00035I-00; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:15:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:15:45 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNSOP WG Subject: [dnsop] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt Message-ID: <20061121111545.GA6536@denics7.denic.de> References: <20061026173411.GE3271@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061108190311.GA29995@denics7.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061108190311.GA29995@denics7.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2209/Mon Nov 20 14:40:59 2006 on mailapps X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Status: O Dear WG, > > "Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks" > > draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-02.txt > > > > to be published as a BCP. The WGLC will end Sat, 2006-11-11 23:59 UTC. as requested during the San Diego meeting, the WGLC period will be extended. 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Kanzlerin angeboten es, soll einfhrung = so genannten.
News award shopping eins sevenone, = intermedia.=20 Sdamerika am, mittelmeer tunesien, erleben reiten sanft. Khler ist als = des vom!
Award, shopping eins sevenone = intermedia.
Das besondere an, frankreich sexy. = Wirtschaft sport=20 und der welt nde wir kommen.
Rosen wollten viele, dem.
Mail suche stylen fr, mobile kredit, = billigflug=20 shoptipp heute. Wirtschaft sport und der welt nde wir. Sache elterngeld = die,=20 gnade spten geburtrzte warnen vor einem. Coach jahrelang von stasi = heutige khler=20 ist als, des.
Interna tionalen noch diesem jahrim, = tauziehen um.
War november gestorben enkeln sprengt, = bei npd sachsen.
Sport und der welt nde. Tornados spur = todesstrme,=20 wissen webtipps single reise.
Wollten, viele dem ehemaligen wolf = politiker waren=20 dabei auch. Erschiet vier tonnen haschisch, gefhrden = second.
Ermglicht kopieren onlinewelt wichtige = orte firmen=20 sind.
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Huge VOIP Contract Signed With Beijing Oriental Inc.

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C71403.98FEEED0-- From mdjparzhxwg@cnare.com Wed Nov 29 09:13:45 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpQC1-0002i9-Ql for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:13:45 -0500 Received: from [121.27.110.113] (helo=[121.27.110.113]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpQBt-0002Zm-E6 for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:13:45 -0500 From: "incoming" To: dnsop-archive@ietf.org Subject: Wall Street Alert! Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:13:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C71403.98D67F40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AccUA5jWOFW9sAdTREK2xzAgGBeNpA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <2DE71E31BB4E71F.7F202D04BD@cnare.com> X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C71403.98D67F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Company: Bralorne Mining Company (BLNM.OB) is China Telcom & China Netcom's
Primary VOIP Network Agent.
Huge VOIP Contract Signed With Beijing Oriental Inc.

BLNM.OB Price Climbs 81% and Volume is up 10000% In Just Three Days Trading! It's not to late to get in!

BLNM, via Beijing QTC, lands another huge contract with Beijing Oriental Inc. Beijing Oriental Inc. is China's leading exhibition and conference holding company. Beijing QTC (BLNM) agrees to provide Beijing Oriental with its 3GenisIP Integrated Access System. This provides them with local, and long distance calling, international numbers and a broadband connection in a single solution.

BLNM.OB is now Authorized in many cities and provinces in China by the two giant telecoms, China Netcom and China Telecom, as the primary authorized VoIP network agent.

This company keeps expanding. They are landing one deal after another. And they are fast become one of the big players in the worlds fastest growing telcom market. This news will make BLNM make huge jumps in the market tomorrow. BLNM has already climbed 82% since last week when these series of news releases began.

Stay ahead of the growth, get on board with BLNM Wed morning, first thing.
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from OXWL (unknown [143.176.154.109]) by elysianvisions.com with ESMTP id F3C3C7B3F448 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:45:37 +0100 (GMT) Message-ID: <000801c71496$7e5220f0$00000000@pcbb971139078d> From: "eventsOn Access" To: dnsop-archive@ietf.org Subject: ITV Queen MOVES Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7149E.E01688F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 2bf730a014b318fd3efd65b39b48818c ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7149E.E01688F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0005_01C7149E.E01688F0" ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C7149E.E01688F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Poetry alongquot leaving walk, fiscally, medicine foundation imf 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Poetry alongquot leaving walk, = fiscally, medicine=20 foundation imf cash! Used dosquot fellow yearold memories kids then = filled rapper!
Wheeler abuzz puts opens, concern = within.
Siggraph theme timequot displays venue, = chimerical=20 imaginary unreal thumnail. Essayist more go tothe paths threading? = Neharawa=20 curse pirate death kaes pink panther drconan.
Postings random pictures ipod shuffle. = Handling ty=20 ervin due!
Unnamed isp service variations same. = Improbable=20 usage boing beattie notebook tagopedia semantic.
Detect, attempts file, sharing kazaa, = edonkey.
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Took extensive censored digital = timesquot article!=20 Babbling, outofit becoming pasttime.
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Intend stirred remove dida wisegood = stylenote why,=20 also. Foamcore condition handling, ty ervin due.
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Admission flooded music hd, dvdfind = vhsthe=20 dvdlength violence!
Confidence seek favorable bluebook = definitive=20 investor portable!
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(Pre-Publish Key Rollover) of 4641, the table detailing the stages of the rollover process appears to be missing some indentation. Existing Text: Pre-publish key rollover involves four stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY new RRSIGs DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 SOA3 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA3) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Publish Key Rollover initial: Initial version of the zone: DNSKEY 1 is the Key Signing Key. DNSKEY 10 is used to sign all the data of the zone, the Zone Signing Key. new DNSKEY: DNSKEY 11 is introduced into the key set. Note that no signatures are generated with this key yet, but this does not secure against brute force attacks on the public key. The minimum duration of this pre-roll phase is the time it takes for the data to propagate to the authoritative servers plus TTL value of the key set. Corrected table, with '|' indicating a changed line: Pre-publish key rollover involves four stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY new RRSIGs DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 SOA3 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA3) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 | DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Publish Key Rollover --=20 Robert Story SPARTA --Sig_fHR.ANRxFYafqs59YIYw=+u Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFbzdZ7/fVLLY1mngRAjooAJ9kMd0pPEOew2T7nvNMzhPGfF5wZgCfTbQo os7heS6sK6k0nvbTyYMqsVw= =zWgO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_fHR.ANRxFYafqs59YIYw=+u-- --===============1426843628== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop --===============1426843628==-- From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 15:01:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps5H-00058y-QW; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:00:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps5G-00054I-12 for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:00:38 -0500 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps5D-0004nw-NA for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:00:38 -0500 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kAUJxiBd020417; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:00:35 -0600 Received: from ponyxpress.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com (861.rosslyn.sparta.com [157.185.86.1]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAUJxiuH010450; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:59:44 -0600 Received: from mailbin.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.85.6]) by ponyxpress.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:59:43 -0500 Received: from spx.vb.futz.org ([216.27.162.138]) by mailbin.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:25:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:59:42 -0500 From: Robert Story Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; powerpc-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2006 20:25:56.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD9FCF10:01C714BD] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [DNSOP] Re: RFC 4641 errata X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0641451049==" Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org --===============0641451049== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 --Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:55:53 -0500 Robert wrote: RS> In section 4.2.1.1. (Pre-Publish Key Rollover) of 4641, the table RS> detailing the stages of the rollover process appears to be missing some RS> indentation. The same problem occurs in 4.2.1.2. (Double Signature Zone Signing Key Rollover): Existing Text: Double signature ZSK rollover involves three stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA1) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Double Signature Zone Signing Key Rollover Corrected table, with '|' indicating a changed line: Double signature ZSK rollover involves three stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA1) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 | DNSKEY11 RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Double Signature Zone Signing Key Rollover --=20 Robert Story SPARTA --Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFbzgu7/fVLLY1mngRAv1JAJ41MSJAPCUd+YC1gyBNIOrTFNRE4gCfTRan hKEisZFNoX4Q6oZ0u3FWHm0= =wX7b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7-- --===============0641451049== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop --===============0641451049==-- From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 15:01:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps1t-0000KK-M7; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:57:09 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps1r-0000Fm-QT for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:57:07 -0500 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps1o-0004Yf-DL for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:57:07 -0500 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kAUJuCgr020274; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:57:03 -0600 Received: from ponyxpress.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com (861.rosslyn.sparta.com [157.185.86.1]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAUJuC76010195; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:56:13 -0600 Received: from mailbin.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.85.6]) by ponyxpress.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:56:11 -0500 Received: from spx.vb.futz.org ([216.27.162.138]) by mailbin.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:22:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:55:53 -0500 From: Robert Story To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; powerpc-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2006 20:22:24.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F374630:01C714BD] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: [DNSOP] RFC 4641 errata X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1426843628==" Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org --===============1426843628== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_fHR.ANRxFYafqs59YIYw=+u"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 --Sig_fHR.ANRxFYafqs59YIYw=+u Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In section 4.2.1.1. (Pre-Publish Key Rollover) of 4641, the table detailing the stages of the rollover process appears to be missing some indentation. Existing Text: Pre-publish key rollover involves four stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY new RRSIGs DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 SOA3 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA3) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Publish Key Rollover initial: Initial version of the zone: DNSKEY 1 is the Key Signing Key. DNSKEY 10 is used to sign all the data of the zone, the Zone Signing Key. new DNSKEY: DNSKEY 11 is introduced into the key set. Note that no signatures are generated with this key yet, but this does not secure against brute force attacks on the public key. The minimum duration of this pre-roll phase is the time it takes for the data to propagate to the authoritative servers plus TTL value of the key set. Corrected table, with '|' indicating a changed line: Pre-publish key rollover involves four stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY new RRSIGs DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 SOA3 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA3) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 | DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Publish Key Rollover --=20 Robert Story SPARTA --Sig_fHR.ANRxFYafqs59YIYw=+u Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFbzdZ7/fVLLY1mngRAjooAJ9kMd0pPEOew2T7nvNMzhPGfF5wZgCfTbQo os7heS6sK6k0nvbTyYMqsVw= =zWgO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_fHR.ANRxFYafqs59YIYw=+u-- --===============1426843628== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop --===============1426843628==-- From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 15:01:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps5H-00058y-QW; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:00:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps5G-00054I-12 for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:00:38 -0500 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps5D-0004nw-NA for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:00:38 -0500 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kAUJxiBd020417; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:00:35 -0600 Received: from ponyxpress.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com (861.rosslyn.sparta.com [157.185.86.1]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAUJxiuH010450; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:59:44 -0600 Received: from mailbin.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.85.6]) by ponyxpress.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:59:43 -0500 Received: from spx.vb.futz.org ([216.27.162.138]) by mailbin.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:25:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:59:42 -0500 From: Robert Story Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; powerpc-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2006 20:25:56.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD9FCF10:01C714BD] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [DNSOP] Re: RFC 4641 errata X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0641451049==" Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org --===============0641451049== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 --Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:55:53 -0500 Robert wrote: RS> In section 4.2.1.1. (Pre-Publish Key Rollover) of 4641, the table RS> detailing the stages of the rollover process appears to be missing some RS> indentation. The same problem occurs in 4.2.1.2. (Double Signature Zone Signing Key Rollover): Existing Text: Double signature ZSK rollover involves three stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA1) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Double Signature Zone Signing Key Rollover Corrected table, with '|' indicating a changed line: Double signature ZSK rollover involves three stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA1) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 | DNSKEY11 RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Double Signature Zone Signing Key Rollover --=20 Robert Story SPARTA --Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFbzgu7/fVLLY1mngRAv1JAJ41MSJAPCUd+YC1gyBNIOrTFNRE4gCfTRan hKEisZFNoX4Q6oZ0u3FWHm0= =wX7b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7-- --===============0641451049== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop --===============0641451049==-- From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 15:01:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps1t-0000KK-M7; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:57:09 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps1r-0000Fm-QT for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:57:07 -0500 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps1o-0004Yf-DL for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:57:07 -0500 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kAUJuCgr020274; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:57:03 -0600 Received: from ponyxpress.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com (861.rosslyn.sparta.com [157.185.86.1]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAUJuC76010195; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:56:13 -0600 Received: from mailbin.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.85.6]) by ponyxpress.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:56:11 -0500 Received: from spx.vb.futz.org ([216.27.162.138]) by mailbin.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:22:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:55:53 -0500 From: Robert Story To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; powerpc-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2006 20:22:24.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F374630:01C714BD] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: [DNSOP] RFC 4641 errata X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1426843628==" Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org --===============1426843628== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_fHR.ANRxFYafqs59YIYw=+u"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 --Sig_fHR.ANRxFYafqs59YIYw=+u Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In section 4.2.1.1. (Pre-Publish Key Rollover) of 4641, the table detailing the stages of the rollover process appears to be missing some indentation. Existing Text: Pre-publish key rollover involves four stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY new RRSIGs DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 SOA3 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA3) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Publish Key Rollover initial: Initial version of the zone: DNSKEY 1 is the Key Signing Key. DNSKEY 10 is used to sign all the data of the zone, the Zone Signing Key. new DNSKEY: DNSKEY 11 is introduced into the key set. Note that no signatures are generated with this key yet, but this does not secure against brute force attacks on the public key. The minimum duration of this pre-roll phase is the time it takes for the data to propagate to the authoritative servers plus TTL value of the key set. Corrected table, with '|' indicating a changed line: Pre-publish key rollover involves four stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY new RRSIGs DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 SOA3 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA3) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 | DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1 (DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Publish Key Rollover --=20 Robert Story SPARTA --Sig_fHR.ANRxFYafqs59YIYw=+u Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFbzdZ7/fVLLY1mngRAjooAJ9kMd0pPEOew2T7nvNMzhPGfF5wZgCfTbQo os7heS6sK6k0nvbTyYMqsVw= =zWgO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_fHR.ANRxFYafqs59YIYw=+u-- --===============1426843628== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop --===============1426843628==-- From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 15:01:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps5H-00058y-QW; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:00:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps5G-00054I-12 for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:00:38 -0500 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gps5D-0004nw-NA for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:00:38 -0500 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kAUJxiBd020417; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:00:35 -0600 Received: from ponyxpress.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com (861.rosslyn.sparta.com [157.185.86.1]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAUJxiuH010450; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:59:44 -0600 Received: from mailbin.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.85.6]) by ponyxpress.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:59:43 -0500 Received: from spx.vb.futz.org ([216.27.162.138]) by mailbin.rosslyn.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:25:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:59:42 -0500 From: Robert Story Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; powerpc-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2006 20:25:56.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD9FCF10:01C714BD] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [DNSOP] Re: RFC 4641 errata X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0641451049==" Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org --===============0641451049== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 --Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:55:53 -0500 Robert wrote: RS> In section 4.2.1.1. (Pre-Publish Key Rollover) of 4641, the table RS> detailing the stages of the rollover process appears to be missing some RS> indentation. The same problem occurs in 4.2.1.2. (Double Signature Zone Signing Key Rollover): Existing Text: Double signature ZSK rollover involves three stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA1) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 DNSKEY11 RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Double Signature Zone Signing Key Rollover Corrected table, with '|' indicating a changed line: Double signature ZSK rollover involves three stages as follows: ---------------------------------------------------------------- initial new DNSKEY DNSKEY removal ---------------------------------------------------------------- SOA0 SOA1 SOA2 RRSIG10(SOA0) RRSIG10(SOA1) RRSIG11(SOA2) RRSIG11(SOA1) DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY1 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY10 DNSKEY11 | DNSKEY11 RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG1(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG10(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) RRSIG11(DNSKEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Double Signature Zone Signing Key Rollover --=20 Robert Story SPARTA --Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFbzgu7/fVLLY1mngRAv1JAJ41MSJAPCUd+YC1gyBNIOrTFNRE4gCfTRan hKEisZFNoX4Q6oZ0u3FWHm0= =wX7b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_vwr+jSPP52/cobvm=t8EwF7-- --===============0641451049== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop --===============0641451049==-- From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 15:39:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpsfA-00088C-BP; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:37:44 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gpsf8-00086x-JL for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:37:42 -0500 Received: from fw-d-whp.denic.de ([81.91.160.27] helo=denic.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gpsf7-0000zZ-9I for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:37:42 -0500 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id 690963E3270; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:37:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:37:36 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNSOP WG Message-ID: <20061130203736.GA22074@unknown.office.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Subject: [DNSOP] welcome to the re-homed dnsop list X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Dear WG, the mailing list migration from to is done. Effective immediately, is the official address of the IETF DNSOP WG. All subscriptions were moved to the new home and you'll have seen the welcome message already. The old address is served by an auto-responder which points to this list and the IETF list subscription page, . The mailing list archives will also be moved and will be linked to from the list subscription page and the dnsop tools page. The posting policy for this list is "subscriber only" (as before). I have received the previous "additional posters" list, but it was obvious that due to "natural change" several addresses were outdated. So, if you're going to post from a different address than you are currently subscribed with, please contact Rob and/or me, as we currently act as list maintainers. A different approach is to go to MailMan, subscribe, and suspend mail delivery to the posting-only addresses. You'll receive your monthly reminder tomorrow, unless you opted-out of this feature. Speaking of which: during the initial subscription the "avoid duplicate copies of messages" option was activated. You might want to review this and other settings when changing your list password. At this point I'd like to say *Thank You* to Lucy Lynch and the University of Oregon for many years of hosting and maintaing the dnsop list! -Peter _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 15:39:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpsfA-00088C-BP; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:37:44 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gpsf8-00086x-JL for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:37:42 -0500 Received: from fw-d-whp.denic.de ([81.91.160.27] helo=denic.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gpsf7-0000zZ-9I for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:37:42 -0500 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id 690963E3270; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:37:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:37:36 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNSOP WG Message-ID: <20061130203736.GA22074@unknown.office.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Subject: [DNSOP] welcome to the re-homed dnsop list X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Dear WG, the mailing list migration from to is done. Effective immediately, is the official address of the IETF DNSOP WG. All subscriptions were moved to the new home and you'll have seen the welcome message already. The old address is served by an auto-responder which points to this list and the IETF list subscription page, . The mailing list archives will also be moved and will be linked to from the list subscription page and the dnsop tools page. The posting policy for this list is "subscriber only" (as before). I have received the previous "additional posters" list, but it was obvious that due to "natural change" several addresses were outdated. So, if you're going to post from a different address than you are currently subscribed with, please contact Rob and/or me, as we currently act as list maintainers. A different approach is to go to MailMan, subscribe, and suspend mail delivery to the posting-only addresses. You'll receive your monthly reminder tomorrow, unless you opted-out of this feature. Speaking of which: during the initial subscription the "avoid duplicate copies of messages" option was activated. You might want to review this and other settings when changing your list password. At this point I'd like to say *Thank You* to Lucy Lynch and the University of Oregon for many years of hosting and maintaing the dnsop list! -Peter _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 16:40:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptbZ-0004N0-7C; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:38:05 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptPW-0000wT-Bu for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:25:38 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com ([205.167.76.9]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptPS-0001UB-O0 for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:25:38 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAULPRN4001878; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:25:27 -0800 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.12.11/Submit) id kAULPRV7001877; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:25:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:25:27 -0800 From: David Meyer To: Peter Koch Subject: Re: [DNSOP] welcome to the re-homed dnsop list Message-ID: <20061130212527.GA1867@1-4-5.net> References: <20061130203736.GA22074@unknown.office.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20061130203736.GA22074@unknown.office.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-gpg-fingerprint: 2409 8B50 B389 A307 BA5C 2A16 3918 03D6 A099 D8A7 X-philosophy: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader, Star Wars Episode IV. X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:38:04 -0500 Cc: IETF DNSOP WG X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2132079069==" Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org --===============2132079069== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > At this point I'd like to say *Thank You* to Lucy Lynch and the University > of Oregon for many years of hosting and maintaing the dnsop list! I'll just ditto the thanks to Lucy and the UO folks (I think this is my last list, right Lucy?) --dmm --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFb0xHORgD1qCZ2KcRAnt9AKCDFu0T97Bie4ZN9FgDVazxlKzInQCeMA38 0FVzGRoB60Y6apNjpO5PrVI= =81bl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- --===============2132079069== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop --===============2132079069==-- From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 16:40:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptbZ-0004N0-7C; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:38:05 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptPW-0000wT-Bu for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:25:38 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com ([205.167.76.9]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptPS-0001UB-O0 for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:25:38 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAULPRN4001878; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:25:27 -0800 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.12.11/Submit) id kAULPRV7001877; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:25:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:25:27 -0800 From: David Meyer To: Peter Koch Subject: Re: [DNSOP] welcome to the re-homed dnsop list Message-ID: <20061130212527.GA1867@1-4-5.net> References: <20061130203736.GA22074@unknown.office.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20061130203736.GA22074@unknown.office.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-gpg-fingerprint: 2409 8B50 B389 A307 BA5C 2A16 3918 03D6 A099 D8A7 X-philosophy: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader, Star Wars Episode IV. X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:38:04 -0500 Cc: IETF DNSOP WG X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2132079069==" Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org --===============2132079069== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > At this point I'd like to say *Thank You* to Lucy Lynch and the University > of Oregon for many years of hosting and maintaing the dnsop list! I'll just ditto the thanks to Lucy and the UO folks (I think this is my last list, right Lucy?) --dmm --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFb0xHORgD1qCZ2KcRAnt9AKCDFu0T97Bie4ZN9FgDVazxlKzInQCeMA38 0FVzGRoB60Y6apNjpO5PrVI= =81bl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- --===============2132079069== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop --===============2132079069==-- From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 16:47:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptjX-0007nc-G1; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:46:19 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptjW-0007fO-4L for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:46:18 -0500 Received: from [2001:418:1:0:230:48ff:fe83:725e] (helo=hiroshima.bogus.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptjD-0005CV-Sl for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:46:18 -0500 Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAULjfdS088335; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:45:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Received: from localhost (llynch@localhost) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id kAULjfLf088330; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:45:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) X-Authentication-Warning: hiroshima.bogus.com: llynch owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Lucy Lynch X-X-Sender: llynch@hiroshima.bogus.com To: David Meyer Subject: Re: [DNSOP] welcome to the re-homed dnsop list In-Reply-To: <20061130212527.GA1867@1-4-5.net> Message-ID: <20061130134446.F86639@hiroshima.bogus.com> References: <20061130203736.GA22074@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061130212527.GA1867@1-4-5.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: Peter Koch , IETF DNSOP WG X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, David Meyer wrote: >> At this point I'd like to say *Thank You* to Lucy Lynch and the University >> of Oregon for many years of hosting and maintaing the dnsop list! > > I'll just ditto the thanks to Lucy and the UO folks (I > think this is my last list, right Lucy?) if you don't count voipeer/speermint ;-) > --dmm > _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 16:47:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptjX-0007nc-G1; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:46:19 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptjW-0007fO-4L for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:46:18 -0500 Received: from [2001:418:1:0:230:48ff:fe83:725e] (helo=hiroshima.bogus.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GptjD-0005CV-Sl for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:46:18 -0500 Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAULjfdS088335; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:45:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Received: from localhost (llynch@localhost) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id kAULjfLf088330; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:45:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) X-Authentication-Warning: hiroshima.bogus.com: llynch owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Lucy Lynch X-X-Sender: llynch@hiroshima.bogus.com To: David Meyer Subject: Re: [DNSOP] welcome to the re-homed dnsop list In-Reply-To: <20061130212527.GA1867@1-4-5.net> Message-ID: <20061130134446.F86639@hiroshima.bogus.com> References: <20061130203736.GA22074@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061130212527.GA1867@1-4-5.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: Peter Koch , IETF DNSOP WG X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, David Meyer wrote: >> At this point I'd like to say *Thank You* to Lucy Lynch and the University >> of Oregon for many years of hosting and maintaing the dnsop list! > > I'll just ditto the thanks to Lucy and the UO folks (I > think this is my last list, right Lucy?) if you don't count voipeer/speermint ;-) > --dmm > _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 16:59:37 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gptv2-0001O3-3p; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:58:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gptv1-0001MP-AE for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:58:11 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com ([205.167.76.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gptuz-0007FJ-Uq for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:58:11 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAULw7pV002993; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:58:07 -0800 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.12.11/Submit) id kAULw73b002992; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:58:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:58:07 -0800 From: David Meyer To: Lucy Lynch Subject: Re: [DNSOP] welcome to the re-homed dnsop list Message-ID: <20061130215807.GA2978@1-4-5.net> References: <20061130203736.GA22074@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061130212527.GA1867@1-4-5.net> <20061130134446.F86639@hiroshima.bogus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20061130134446.F86639@hiroshima.bogus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-gpg-fingerprint: 2409 8B50 B389 A307 BA5C 2A16 3918 03D6 A099 D8A7 X-philosophy: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader, Star Wars Episode IV. X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: Peter Koch , IETF DNSOP WG X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1302493597==" Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org --===============1302493597== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 01:45:41PM -0800, Lucy Lynch wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, David Meyer wrote: >=20 > >>At this point I'd like to say *Thank You* to Lucy Lynch and the Univers= ity > >>of Oregon for many years of hosting and maintaing the dnsop list! > > > > I'll just ditto the thanks to Lucy and the UO folks (I > > think this is my last list, right Lucy?) >=20 > if you don't count voipeer/speermint ;-) :-) --dmm --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFb1PvORgD1qCZ2KcRApocAKCOBzDimz2bTt1Qbf3CIAxWP3GhygCfSzy8 5i7sU6rth1qiC1N+PAC3DF0= =08ce -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- --===============1302493597== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop --===============1302493597==-- From dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 30 16:59:37 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gptv2-0001O3-3p; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:58:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gptv1-0001MP-AE for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:58:11 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com ([205.167.76.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gptuz-0007FJ-Uq for dnsop@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:58:11 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAULw7pV002993; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:58:07 -0800 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.12.11/Submit) id kAULw73b002992; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:58:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:58:07 -0800 From: David Meyer To: Lucy Lynch Subject: Re: [DNSOP] welcome to the re-homed dnsop list Message-ID: <20061130215807.GA2978@1-4-5.net> References: <20061130203736.GA22074@unknown.office.denic.de> <20061130212527.GA1867@1-4-5.net> <20061130134446.F86639@hiroshima.bogus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20061130134446.F86639@hiroshima.bogus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-gpg-fingerprint: 2409 8B50 B389 A307 BA5C 2A16 3918 03D6 A099 D8A7 X-philosophy: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader, Star Wars Episode IV. X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: Peter Koch , IETF DNSOP WG X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1302493597==" Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org --===============1302493597== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 01:45:41PM -0800, Lucy Lynch wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, David Meyer wrote: >=20 > >>At this point I'd like to say *Thank You* to Lucy Lynch and the Univers= ity > >>of Oregon for many years of hosting and maintaing the dnsop list! > > > > I'll just ditto the thanks to Lucy and the UO folks (I > > think this is my last list, right Lucy?) >=20 > if you don't count voipeer/speermint ;-) :-) --dmm --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFb1PvORgD1qCZ2KcRApocAKCOBzDimz2bTt1Qbf3CIAxWP3GhygCfSzy8 5i7sU6rth1qiC1N+PAC3DF0= =08ce -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- --===============1302493597== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop --===============1302493597==-- From resnicky@armenta.net Thu Nov 30 20:22:32 2006 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gpx6m-0008RQ-Fh for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:22:32 -0500 Received: from 200-127-255-23.cab.prima.net.ar ([200.127.255.23] helo=armenta.net) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gpx6i-0003pc-RF for dnsop-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c714e6$f03160f0$abeaa8c0@daop> Reply-To: "Alba Sipes" From: "Alba Sipes" To: dnsop-archive@ietf.org Subject: Re: indecorou Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:20:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C714A3.E20E20F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C714A3.E20E20F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, CHfEAP PfARMACY http://www.desuikinyunhdefunhasderun.com =20 rumbled out of the room and I heard the immense doors close. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C714A3.E20E20F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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