Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Reminder: Deadline for HIP and related architectures workshop position papers is tomorrow (Friday, Oct 1st)
From: [email-masked] (Pekka Nikander)
Date: Thu Sep 30 08:30:01 2004

I'd just want to remind you that the deadline for the HIP and
related architectures workshop position papers is tomorrow,
Friday, Oct 1st.  I've included the original CfP below, for
your convenience.

--Pekka

Workshop on HIP and Related Architectures

The Host Identity Protocol is a protocol architecture under
development and experimentation in the IETF and IRTF.  There
are several related research efforts in the academic community
exploring related architectural issues, such as new name
spaces for the Internet, and the consequences of separating
identity and location.  We are organizing a one-day workshop
to encourage discussion and interactions between the various
communities investigating these issues.

Organizers:  Tom Henderson, Pekka Nikander, Scott Shenker

Date:  Saturday November 6 (all day)

Location:  Hilton Washington, Wash. DC

Participation:  Since space is limited and we want to have
discussion, not just presentations, we will invite only about
20 participants.  All prospective participants should submit a
short (3 page limit) position paper on the topic.  This paper
can advocate a particular design, discuss a particular
architectural or deployment problem, or address other fundamental
issues.  Possible topic areas include but are not limited to:

- Fundamental implications of the ID/locator split
- API and application transition
- Middlebox traversal
- Advanced overlays, referrals, and delegation
- Name services and management (e.g., DHTs and PKIs)
- Mobility and multihoming operation and consequences (e.g.,
   transport layer implications)
- Multicast and anycast
- Privacy and non-repudiation implications of strong identities
- DNS consequences
- Deployment incentives
- Lightweight HIP modes

The organizers will choose participants based on the submitted
white papers and other considerations.

Workshop format:
----------------

The white papers will provide the basic context for the workshop,
and will be circulated well before the workshop.  However, the
workshop agenda will not consist of a serial presentation of
these papers but instead will aim for a more synthetic discussion.
Based on the issues raised in the white papers, the organizers will
identify a few topics for general discussion.  For each of these,
a speaker will provide an overview, and then lead a discussion on
the topic. The goal is to identify areas of consensus, expose
people to new approaches, and provide suggestions for future
directions.

Other logistical information:
----------------------------

Position paper submission deadline:        Friday, Oct 1
E-mail the submissions to:                 <[email-masked]>

The submissions must be in ascii, .ps, or .pdf formats.

Invitations mailed out:                    Friday, Oct 8

Fee:  $30 to cover cost of coffee and lunch (payable by cash
or check at the workshop)

Output:  A summary of the workshop discussions will be published
to the HIP RG mailing list, and will be presented at the HIP RG
meeting on Friday November 12.

From: [email-masked] (Henderson, Thomas R)
Date: Mon Sep 27 12:18:00 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Is there any Application Server supporting HIP?
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

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Joseph,
Yes, there have been two announced on this list:
http://hipserver.mct.phantomworks.org
http://honor.trusecure.com/pipermail/hipsec/2004-September/000965.html
=20
Tom

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	    Is there any implementation about Application Server (Such as HTTP) =
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	Yours,
	Joseph

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From: [email-masked] (Henderson, Thomas R)
Date: Mon Sep 27 12:13:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] new Linux implementation of HIP available
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

I'm pleased to announce the availability of Boeing's experimental=20
HIP implementation for Linux at:
http://hipserver.mct.phantomworks.org

More details are at:
http://hipserver.mct.phantomworks.org/docs/hipdoc.html

The test server is still operational for HIP testing, as before.

Kudos to Jeff Ahrenholz for the bulk of the coding and testing
of this implementation.

Tom

From: [email-masked] (Joseph)
Date: Mon Sep 27 11:15:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Is there any Application Server supporting HIP?
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

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Dear All,
    Is there any implementation about Application Server (Such as HTTP)
which is supporting HIP now? If yes, where can I find those information?
Yours,
Joseph

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From: [email-masked] (Miika Komu)
Date: Thu Sep 23 09:34:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] 300 Mb?
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 [email-masked] wrote:

> I'm trying to download HIP for Linux, how heavy is the file? it seems bigger
> than 300 Mb!!! is it normal?

Yes, it is normal. It includes the whole Linux kernel.

If you have question related to HIP for Linux, please ask them on
the dedicated mailing list "[email-masked]". The other people on
this mailing list may not be interested on HIPL related questions...

-- 
Miika Komu              [email-masked]          http://www.iki.fi/miika/

From: [email-masked] ([email-masked])
Date: Thu Sep 23 09:29:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] 300 Mb?
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

I'm trying to download HIP for Linux, how heavy is the file? it seems big=
ger
than 300 Mb!!! is it normal?

>-- Messaggio originale --
>From: Miika Komu <[email-masked]>
>To: [email-masked]
>Cc: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [Hipsec-rg] hand off
>Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:23:55 +0300 (EEST)
>
>
>On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 [email-masked] wrote:
>
>> could you tell me if HIP can handle hand off for mobile hosts? Was it
>> concepted also for this?
>
>Yes.
>
>> PS: could you give me a link where to download HIP?
>
>http://www.hip4inter.net/download.php
>http://hipl.hiit.fi/hipl/download.html
>http://www.sharemation.com/adm01bass/pyhip/pyhip-2003-11-15.tar.bz2
>
>-- 
>Miika Komu              [email-masked]          http://www.iki.fi/miika/
>_______________________________________________
>Hipsec-rg mailing list
>[email-masked]
>http://honor.trusecure.com/mailman/listinfo/hipsec-rg

From: [email-masked] (Andrei Gurtov)
Date: Thu Sep 23 07:19:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] HIPL test server running
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

A test server hipserver.hiit.fi running IPv6 HIPL implementation for 
Linux 2.6.6 from HIIT is online. Its IPv6 address is 
2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::2cd and HIT 556b:0617:26ce:0752:be2b:75bd:ac26:190f.

It will be frequently booted during day time, but should be available 
during European night time.

Andrei

From: [email-masked] (Mika Kousa)
Date: Wed Sep 22 12:25:00 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] hand off
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 [email-masked] wrote:

-> could you tell me if HIP can handle hand off for mobile hosts? Was it concepted
-> also for this?

See "End-Host Mobility and Multi-Homing with Host Identity Protocol".

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nikander-hip-mm-02.txt

From: [email-masked] (Miika Komu)
Date: Wed Sep 22 12:18:00 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] hand off
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 [email-masked] wrote:

> could you tell me if HIP can handle hand off for mobile hosts? Was it
> concepted also for this?

Yes.

> PS: could you give me a link where to download HIP?

http://www.hip4inter.net/download.php
http://hipl.hiit.fi/hipl/download.html
http://www.sharemation.com/adm01bass/pyhip/pyhip-2003-11-15.tar.bz2

-- 
Miika Komu              [email-masked]          http://www.iki.fi/miika/

From: [email-masked] ([email-masked])
Date: Wed Sep 22 11:40:02 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] hand off
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Hi!
could you tell me if HIP can handle hand off for mobile hosts? Was it con=
cepted
also for this?
Thanks
capacity
PS: could you give me a link where to download HIP?

From: [email-masked] (Pekka Nikander)
Date: Thu Sep 16 13:12:00 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Re: Call for Papers: Workshop on HIP and Related Architectures
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

>> Position paper submission deadline:        Friday, Sept 30
>
> Sept 30 is a Thursday this year.

Thanks Tim for pointing this out.  Mea culpa.  Of course
I should have noted that.

The deadline is Friday, Oct 1st.

--Pekka

From: [email-masked] (Pekka Nikander)
Date: Thu Sep 16 07:50:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Call for Papers: Workshop on HIP and Related Architectures
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Workshop on HIP and Related Architectures

The Host Identity Protocol is a protocol architecture under
development and experimentation in the IETF and IRTF.  There
are several related research efforts in the academic community
exploring related architectural issues, such as new name
spaces for the Internet, and the consequences of separating
identity and location.  We are organizing a one-day workshop
to encourage discussion and interactions between the various
communities investigating these issues.

Organizers:  Tom Henderson, Pekka Nikander, Scott Shenker

Date:  Saturday November 6 (all day)

Location:  Hilton Washington, Wash. DC

Participation:  Since space is limited and we want to have
discussion, not just presentations, we will invite only about
20 participants.  All prospective participants should submit a
short (3 page limit) position paper on the topic.  This paper
can advocate a particular design, discuss a particular
architectural or deployment problem, or address other fundamental
issues.  Possible topic areas include but are not limited to:

- Fundamental implications of the ID/locator split
- API and application transition
- Middlebox traversal
- Advanced overlays, referrals, and delegation
- Name services and management (e.g., DHTs and PKIs)
- Mobility and multihoming operation and consequences (e.g.,
   transport layer implications)
- Multicast and anycast
- Privacy and non-repudiation implications of strong identities
- DNS consequences
- Deployment incentives
- Lightweight HIP modes

The organizers will choose participants based on the submitted
white papers and other considerations.

Workshop format:
----------------

The white papers will provide the basic context for the workshop,
and will be circulated well before the workshop.  However, the
workshop agenda will not consist of a serial presentation of
these papers but instead will aim for a more synthetic discussion.
Based on the issues raised in the white papers, the organizers will
identify a few topics for general discussion.  For each of these,
a speaker will provide an overview, and then lead a discussion on
the topic. The goal is to identify areas of consensus, expose
people to new approaches, and provide suggestions for future
directions.

Other logistical information:
----------------------------

Position paper submission deadline:        Friday, Sept 30
E-mail the submissions to:                 <[email-masked]>

The submissions must be in ascii, .ps, or .pdf formats.

Invitations mailed out:                    Friday, Oct 8

Fee:  $30 to cover cost of coffee and lunch (payable by cash
or check at the workshop)

Output:  A summary of the workshop discussions will be published
to the HIP RG mailing list, and will be presented at the HIP RG
meeting on Friday November 12.

From: [email-masked] (Pekka Nikander)
Date: Thu Sep 16 00:33:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] HIP RG on Friday, Nov 12th, afternoon (NOT Saturday, Nov 13th)
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Based on the replies I've got, it looks like that people
slightly prefer to have the next HIP RG meeting on

   Friday, November 12th, from noon to 4pm

We will try to allocate a room at that time slot.  There
is a slight chance that the room allocation may fail, in
which case it _may_ still be necessary to move the meeting.
However, unless that happens, the meeting will be on that
Friday afternoon.

If you plan to attend, and have NOT sent me e-mail yet,
please do so.  We need to have some estimate of how big
a room we need.  (So far I've got only about 10 replies.
Last time there were over 80 people in room.)

What comes to the separate workshop on Nov 6th, my plan
is to mail out the CfP either tomorrow (Friday) or on
Monday next week.

--Pekka

From: [email-masked] (Lars Eggert)
Date: Wed Sep 15 07:04:00 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] More interest in having a half day Friday meeting than a full day Saturday one?
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

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Pekka Nikander wrote:
> There hasn't been that many people interested in attending
> the proposed full day HIP-RG meeting on Saturday, Nov 13th.
> (About a dozen so far.)
> 
> Would there be more interest if we just had a half day meeting
> on Friday, Nov 12th, say from noon till 3pm or 4pm?  dtnrg
> had their meeting in that slot in San Diego.

That would be fine as well, but I would attend Saturday too.

Let I suggest that a decision be reached soon, in the interest of travel 
planning.

Thanks,
Lars
-- 
Lars Eggert                                     NEC Network Laboratories

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From: [email-masked] (Miika Komu)
Date: Tue Sep 14 03:34:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] About Lightweight HIP
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Joseph So wrote:

> Dear All,
>   I have read some HIPSec Archives. I foudn there is a concept called
> Lightweight HIP (LHIP). Where can I find more information of it? Or if
> anyone can explain what it is about?
>   Thanks a lot.
> Joseph

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nikander-multi6-hip-01.txt

-- 
Miika Komu              [email-masked]          http://www.iki.fi/miika/

From: [email-masked] (Joseph So)
Date: Tue Sep 14 03:06:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] About Lightweight HIP
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Dear All,
  I have read some HIPSec Archives. I foudn there is a concept called
Lightweight HIP (LHIP). Where can I find more information of it? Or if
anyone can explain what it is about?
  Thanks a lot.
Joseph

-- 
NEU: Bis zu 10 GB Speicher für e-mails & Dateien!
1 GB bereits bei GMX FreeMail http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail

From: [email-masked] (Miika Komu)
Date: Mon Sep 13 08:50:04 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Native HIP API
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

I conclude my work on the native HIP API regarding to the master's thesis.
The final version can be downloaded from the URL below:

http://hipl.hiit.fi/hipl/hip-native-api-final.pdf

The next set of changes will be applied on the forthcoming API draft.

-- 
Miika Komu              [email-masked]          http://www.iki.fi/miika/

From: [email-masked] (Pekka Nikander)
Date: Mon Sep 13 07:07:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] More interest in having a half day Friday meeting than a full day Saturday one?
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

There hasn't been that many people interested in attending
the proposed full day HIP-RG meeting on Saturday, Nov 13th.
(About a dozen so far.)

Would there be more interest if we just had a half day meeting
on Friday, Nov 12th, say from noon till 3pm or 4pm?  dtnrg
had their meeting in that slot in San Diego.

(There was 83 people in HIP-RG San Diego.  My feeling is that
20-40, with no or very few tourists, would be ideal.)

--Pekka

From: [email-masked] (Jari Arkko)
Date: Tue Sep  7 23:18:01 2004
Subject: [HIPsec-rg] HIP Mobility and Movement Detection Problem
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> 	Hello all.  I know that  Mobile IP uses subnet to detect the
> mobility movement and SIP uses DHCP to detect. What special method is used
> in HIP?

Movement detection has generally been abstracted out of
protocols like Mobile IP or HIP. Current work in progress
at the DNA and DHC WGs is addressing the movement detection
problem. Whatever results the movement detection "function"
provides, they should be fed to the mobility mechanisms
such as HIP, Mobile IPv4, Mobile IPv6, MOBIKE, and maybe
Multi6.

--Jari

From: [email-masked] (James Kempf)
Date: Tue Sep  7 22:18:03 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Open academic workshop on ID/Loc Split, HIP, DHTs etc on Nov 6th
References: <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

I think it might make some sense to have an all day workshop. An RG meeting
in an IETF timeslot only gives a couple hours maximum, and tends to attract
lots of tourists, which make interactive discussion difficult (due to the
large number of people there).

            jak

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miika Komu" <[email-masked]>
To: "Tim Shepard" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "Pekka Nikander" <[email-masked]>;
<[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>; "Martti Mäntylä"
<[email-masked]>; "Scott Shenker" <[email-masked]>; "James
Kempf" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Hipsec-rg] Open academic workshop on ID/Loc Split, HIP, DHTs
etc on Nov 6th

> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Tim Shepard wrote:
>
> > I just saw the e-mail earlier today that said the meeting would be on
> > Saturday Nov 13th.   This says Nov 6th.
> >
> > Which is it?
> >
> >
> > Or do you mean that you will be having two meetings?
>
> Yes, one HIP-RG meeting and one separate workshop if I understood
> correctly.
>
> -- 
> Miika Komu              [email-masked]          http://www.iki.fi/miika/
>

From: [email-masked] (James Kempf)
Date: Tue Sep  7 22:18:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Re: Open academic workshop on ID/Loc Split, HIP, DHTs etc on Nov 6th
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Hi Pekka,

We're interested in participating. Regarding content, it would be really
good if we could get someone to talk about the I3 work and HIP. There seems
to be a good potential for interaction. Hopefully, Ian or some of his
collaborators can attend.

            jak

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pekka Nikander" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>; "Martti Mäntylä" <[email-masked]>; "Scott
Shenker" <[email-masked]>; "James Kempf"
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:25 AM
Subject: Open academic workshop on ID/Loc Split, HIP, DHTs etc on Nov 6th

> Folks,
>
> We are trying to arrange an open informal academic workshop
> on the general architectural aspects of ID/Loc Split, including
> but not limited to HIP, and the supporting infrastructures,
> such as DHTs, on the Saturday before the next IETF meeting.
> The form will be that of a traditional workshop, i.e., people
> giving brief talks about their ongoing work or new ideas, followed
> by discussion.  UC Berkeley/ICSI and Helsinki Institute for
> Information Technology are the formal organisers.
>
> We are trying to get a meeting room at the IETF hotel, but we
> may need to meet elsewhere.  Anyway, the current plan is to
> have the meeting in the D.C. area.
>
> Scott Shenker and various other folks from Berkeley are planning
> to participate, as well as some researchers from HIIT,
> and we are trying to get more people from outside of the HIP
> circles.
>
> Right now it looks like that we will have to charge a small
> workshop fee in order to cover the costs.  We are working out
> this and other practical issues, such as registration.
> Stay tuned.
>
> If you are interested in participating, and perhaps giving a
> brief talk (position papers encouraged), please let us know.
> If there is enough of interest, it might be a good idea to
> publish the papers (if any) in the Web.
>
> Feel free to forward this message to anyone that you think
> that might be interested.
>
> --Tom & Pekka
>
>

From: [email-masked] (Joseph)
Date: Tue Sep  7 20:26:00 2004
Subject: [HIPsec-rg] HIP Mobility and Movement Detection Problem
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Dear All,
	Hello all.  I know that  Mobile IP uses subnet to detect the
mobility movement and SIP uses DHCP to detect. What special method is used
in HIP?
	Futhermore, if I want to take part in some research activity in IRTF
about HIP, what can I do? I am a new research student who wants to do some
mobility management related to HIP and other protocols (such as SIP, and
mobile IP)
Yours faithfully,
Joseph

From: [email-masked] (Tim Shepard)
Date: Tue Sep  7 11:32:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Open academic workshop on ID/Loc Split, HIP, DHTs etc on Nov 6th
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:27:54 +0300. <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> I am open to postpone either of the meetings; however, Tom has
> been arranging this and talking to people.  Hence, it would be better
> if he could comment.

OK.  Tom, if you told me this last week and I failed to understand,
then I'm sorry about that.

			-Tim Shepard
			 [email-masked]

From: [email-masked] (Pekka Nikander)
Date: Tue Sep  7 11:23:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Open academic workshop on ID/Loc Split, HIP, DHTs etc on Nov 6th
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> I just saw the e-mail earlier today that said the meeting would be on
> Saturday Nov 13th.   This says Nov 6th.
>
> Which is it?

Sorry for the confusion.

> Or do you mean that you will be having two meetings?

The current plan is to have two meetings, one before and one after.

The former meeting would be geared towards the academic community,
and take the form of an academic workshop, with a small attendance
fee.  The scope would be larger than just HIP, trying to look at
the larger architectural issues.  I would expect the content to
consist of a series of relatively independent talks/sessions, with
any coherent view forming only afterwards.

The latter meeting would be a HIP-RG meeting, with the aim of working
on the already started items (advanced rendezvous/proxy, hi3,
native API, etc), and especially getting the work towards the
promised "experience report" started.  It is situated after the
IETF meeting so that we can summarise and learn from the discussions
that have been going on during the week.  I guess we could also
include a summary of the former meeting discussions.

> If you are having two meetings, I don't think I'll be able to make it
> to both of them, and I would encourage you to do only one or the other
> this November.

If anyone is planning to attend only one, my advice would be to
attend only the latter.  It is only one extra night.

I am open to postpone either of the meetings; however, Tom has
been arranging this and talking to people.  Hence, it would be better
if he could comment.

--Pekka

From: [email-masked] (Miika Komu)
Date: Tue Sep  7 11:19:00 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Open academic workshop on ID/Loc Split, HIP, DHTs etc on Nov 6th
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Tim Shepard wrote:

> I just saw the e-mail earlier today that said the meeting would be on
> Saturday Nov 13th.   This says Nov 6th.
>
> Which is it?
>
>
> Or do you mean that you will be having two meetings?

Yes, one HIP-RG meeting and one separate workshop if I understood
correctly.

-- 
Miika Komu              [email-masked]          http://www.iki.fi/miika/

From: [email-masked] (Tim Shepard)
Date: Tue Sep  7 10:11:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Open academic workshop on ID/Loc Split, HIP, DHTs etc on Nov 6th
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:25:44 +0300. <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Pekka, 

I just saw the e-mail earlier today that said the meeting would be on
Saturday Nov 13th.   This says Nov 6th.

Which is it?

Or do you mean that you will be having two meetings?

If you are having two meetings, I don't think I'll be able to make it
to both of them, and I would encourage you to do only one or the other
this November.

			-Tim Shepard
			 [email-masked]

From: [email-masked] (Pekka Nikander)
Date: Tue Sep  7 09:21:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Open academic workshop on ID/Loc Split, HIP, DHTs etc on Nov 6th
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Folks,

We are trying to arrange an open informal academic workshop
on the general architectural aspects of ID/Loc Split, including
but not limited to HIP, and the supporting infrastructures,
such as DHTs, on the Saturday before the next IETF meeting.
The form will be that of a traditional workshop, i.e., people
giving brief talks about their ongoing work or new ideas, followed
by discussion.  UC Berkeley/ICSI and Helsinki Institute for
Information Technology are the formal organisers.

We are trying to get a meeting room at the IETF hotel, but we
may need to meet elsewhere.  Anyway, the current plan is to
have the meeting in the D.C. area.

Scott Shenker and various other folks from Berkeley are planning
to participate, as well as some researchers from HIIT,
and we are trying to get more people from outside of the HIP
circles.

Right now it looks like that we will have to charge a small
workshop fee in order to cover the costs.  We are working out
this and other practical issues, such as registration.
Stay tuned.

If you are interested in participating, and perhaps giving a
brief talk (position papers encouraged), please let us know.
If there is enough of interest, it might be a good idea to
publish the papers (if any) in the Web.

Feel free to forward this message to anyone that you think
that might be interested.

--Tom & Pekka

From: Pekka Nikander <[email-masked]> (Pekka Nikander)
Date: Tue Sep  7 08:49:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Next HIP RG meeting planned for Saturday, Nov 13th
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Folks,

We are planning to have the next HIP RG meeting on Saturday,
November 13th, in Washington DC.  We are planning for a full
day meeting, commencing at 9am and concluding early afternoon
so that people can easily catch evening flights.

We are trying to get a meeting room at the IETF hotel, but it
is possible that we need to book the room somewhere else.

If you plan to attend, please let us know my sending e-mail to
Pekka.  (Check whom you are sending e-mail if you reply.)

If someone's company would like to volunteer to sponsor refreshments,
that would be great.

--Tom & Pekka

From: [email-masked] (Pekka Nikander)
Date: Fri Sep  3 07:14:01 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Question about IPv4 and IPv6 in HIP
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> 	As I know that in HIP, TCP/UDP will be run on HIP and HIP can run on
> IPv4 and IPv6. However, if someone send a package from a IPv4 network 
> to
> IPv6 network like this:
> 	Source<--- (IPv4 Network) ---> Router A<-- (IPv6 Network) --->
> Destination
> 	How can the package arrive the Destination without the tunneling? Is
> that the router A will convert the package? How's the interworking?

This is a good question, and I guess nowhere really discussed.

One basic idea is to establish soft state on Router A.  For example,
the Responder could use Router A as its rendezvous server towards
the IPv4 network, and register its IPv6 address there.  When an
Initiator in the IPv4 network wants to contact the Responder, it would
send I1 to the rendezvous server (Router A), which would then forward
it over IPv6 to the Responder.  The rest of the base exchange would flow
over the same gateway (Router A), which is able to learn the right
SPI mappings so that it can forward packets from IPv4 to IPv6 and
vice versa.

What is currently missing is detection of temporary failure of
the gateway, and re-establishment of the soft state with something
lighter than re-running the base exchange.

I am sure there are other ways to arrange the situation, but the
one above seems to be a fairly simple approach.  More complex ones
can be imagined when you have a rendezvous infrastructure (ala hi3)
instead of just a single rendezvous server.

--Pekka

From: [email-masked] (Joseph)
Date: Thu Sep  2 02:51:00 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] Question about IPv4 and IPv6 in HIP
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

 Dear All,
	I am a new guy in HIP area. I am trying to understand about HIP. I
have a very basic question related to HIP , IPv4 and IPv6.
	As I know that in HIP, TCP/UDP will be run on HIP and HIP can run on
IPv4 and IPv6. However, if someone send a package from a IPv4 network to
IPv6 network like this:
	Source<--- (IPv4 Network) ---> Router A<-- (IPv6 Network) --->
Destination
	How can the package arrive the Destination without the tunneling? Is
that the router A will convert the package? How's the interworking?
	Thanks a lot.
Yours faithfully,
Joseph 

From: [email-masked] (Pekka Nikander)
Date: Thu Sep  2 02:05:00 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] discussion on HIPRG workshop in DC?
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> during the San Diego meeting, Tom asked whether there was interest in
> holding a full-day HIPRG workshop in DC. This was supposed to happen
> either directly before or after the DC IETF.
>
> In the interest of early travel planning, I'd like to suggest that we
> start discussing now (1) whether to hold this and (2) if yes, exactly 
> when.

(1) yes.

(2) my preference, in order, is
     - Saturday before the meeting
     - Friday before the meeting
     - Friday after the meeting

I second Jari's opinion about co-ordinating this with other RGs.
I'll send an e-mail to IRSG.

And thanks, Lars, for your activity in this.

--Pekka

From: [email-masked] (Jari Arkko)
Date: Wed Sep  1 23:20:00 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] discussion on HIPRG workshop in DC?
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Lars Eggert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> during the San Diego meeting, Tom asked whether there was interest in
> holding a full-day HIPRG workshop in DC. This was supposed to happen
> either directly before or after the DC IETF.
> 
> In the interest of early travel planning, I'd like to suggest that we
> start discussing now (1) whether to hold this and (2) if yes, exactly when.
> 
> As a datapoint, I personally think that (1) yes, we should hold this,
> and (2) directly following IETF would be better, because it would give
> us face time before the event to coordinate.

(1) yes

(2) either before or after the IETF, but
     - coordinate with other IRTF groups to ensure that they
       don't hold something else interesting on the same day
     - if its before the IETF, my preference is friday or
       saturday. most people are too busy on sunday.
     - if its after the IETF, my preference is on the weekend
       (saturday)

From: [email-masked] (Lars Eggert)
Date: Wed Sep  1 16:09:00 2004
Subject: [Hipsec-rg] discussion on HIPRG workshop in DC?
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

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Hi,

during the San Diego meeting, Tom asked whether there was interest in
holding a full-day HIPRG workshop in DC. This was supposed to happen
either directly before or after the DC IETF.

In the interest of early travel planning, I'd like to suggest that we
start discussing now (1) whether to hold this and (2) if yes, exactly when.

As a datapoint, I personally think that (1) yes, we should hold this,
and (2) directly following IETF would be better, because it would give
us face time before the event to coordinate.

Lars
-- 
Lars Eggert                                     NEC Network Laboratories

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