Subject: Re: [hrpc] hrpc guidelines

From: Sandra Braman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 14:56:56 -0500

Please educate me, someone (everyone) -- What was the thinking of this
group behind not using RFC 3552 as a model?

Thanks --

Sandra Braman

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> Subject: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08.txt
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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> This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations RG
> of the IRTF.
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>         Title           : Guidelines for Human Rights Protocol and
> Architecture Considerations
>         Authors         : Gurshabad Grover
>                           Niels ten Oever
>         Filename        : draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08.txt
>         Pages           : 31
>         Date            : 2021-05-02
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> Abstract:
>    This document sets guidelines for human rights considerations for
>    developers working on network protocols and architectures, similar to
>    the work done on the guidelines for privacy considerations [RFC6973].
>    This is an updated version of the guidelines for human rights
>    considerations in [RFC8280].
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> Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 19:40:53 +0200
> Subject: [hrpc] Fwd: New Version Notification for
> draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08.txt
> Hi all,
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> A new day, a new version :)
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> I had a some extra time and did a full re-read of both the document and
> the list. I integrated some more suggestions and found more typos.
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> Looking forward to hear what you all think.
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
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> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08.txt
> Date: Sun, 02 May 2021 10:39:26 -0700
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> A new version of I-D, draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Niels ten Oever and posted to the
> IETF repository.
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> Name:           draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines
> Revision:       08
> Title:          Guidelines for Human Rights Protocol and Architecture
> Considerations
> Document date:  2021-05-02
> Group:          hrpc
> Pages:          31
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> Abstract:
>    This document sets guidelines for human rights considerations for
>    developers working on network protocols and architectures, similar to
>    the work done on the guidelines for privacy considerations [RFC6973].
>    This is an updated version of the guidelines for human rights
>    considerations in [RFC8280].
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From: Niels ten Oever <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 11:28:08 +0200

Hi Sandra,

As laid out in RFC 8280 and in the charter of hrpc, we based the guidelines on RFC 6973.

Best,

Niels

PS For the readability of the list it might be helpful if you switch off digest mode in the mailman settings. 

On 02-05-2021 21:56, Sandra Braman wrote:
> Please educate me, someone (everyone) -- What was the thinking of this group behind not using RFC 3552 as a model?
> 
> Thanks --
> 
> Sandra Braman
> 
> On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 2:00 PM <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
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>             [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
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>     From: [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
>     To: <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
>     Cc: [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
>     Bcc: 
>     A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>     This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations RG of the IRTF.
> 
>             Title           : Guidelines for Human Rights Protocol and Architecture Considerations
>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines/__;!!KwNVnqRv!SblgAqtZ-K3BDk2Bq17N2x6bTZKWdN-SCRN3jGzEokL1kmH4wYg25dzKh_JeQvuWpcw$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines/__;!!KwNVnqRv!SblgAqtZ-K3BDk2Bq17N2x6bTZKWdN-SCRN3jGzEokL1kmH4wYg25dzKh_JeQvuWpcw$>
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>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08__;!!KwNVnqRv!SblgAqtZ-K3BDk2Bq17N2x6bTZKWdN-SCRN3jGzEokL1kmH4wYg25dzKh_JeDaUoUU4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08__;!!KwNVnqRv!SblgAqtZ-K3BDk2Bq17N2x6bTZKWdN-SCRN3jGzEokL1kmH4wYg25dzKh_JeDaUoUU4$>
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>     From: Niels ten Oever <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
>     To: "[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>" <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
>     Cc: 
>     Bcc: 
>     Subject: [hrpc] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08.txt
>     Hi all,
> 
>     I had a some extra time and did a full re-read of both the document and the list. I integrated some more suggestions and found more typos.
> 
>     From: [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
>     To: Gurshabad Grover <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>, Niels ten Oever <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
> 
> 
>     Title:          Guidelines for Human Rights Protocol and Architecture Considerations
>     URL:            https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08.txt__;!!KwNVnqRv!SblgAqtZ-K3BDk2Bq17N2x6bTZKWdN-SCRN3jGzEokL1kmH4wYg25dzKh_JeqxjdItE$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08.txt__;!!KwNVnqRv!SblgAqtZ-K3BDk2Bq17N2x6bTZKWdN-SCRN3jGzEokL1kmH4wYg25dzKh_JeqxjdItE$>
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Associated Scholar - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - Fundação Getúlio Vargas
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