From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 09:06:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B099A21F8881 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id akM83l5IVo64 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A8321F887C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgo11 with SMTP id go11so483155lbb.31 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=F2UPFtRjSy7ujdFVR69hletbaYkhJ1rEA6I6Hs7qepg=; b=JKLW+a1FufN+QsK94fscT4d/1hRFIyD/8v5D+RHGPFzZxZZy8MEZSbEKtknQDuBRh3 U3Yl9tEt+MF0Gry34I5jRpcQCHbwVtiYUFk6DcEvpFWsiJ9qL8OOHwYnX7xufa+ccoK7 1J5HSZ2IiSOvpE37Vv6oLqYZ5Mqj1FJiZvwU1eviA3Uw5VH+q/uonVad3FxaTH+s3Ljz 5PVNbXZqrzYuVeVDj6mZbrCEV37SZHCv7TLSPSqeUNeXFkHh7e1KqtRKqs4ek4zTyRu9 Q7dFqXDoB8ys7tCTmtQ7jJeVgIcRDzQlpbDraIndKeHoqN0OcQj7Jdl0tW1yGacKnV/D ALvA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.40.33 with SMTP id u1mr8367687lbk.28.1343837173789; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.85.196 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:06:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager From: Mary Barnes To: IETF WG Chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe306061342b04c636794a X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:06:15 -0000 --e0cb4efe306061342b04c636794a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. Regards, Mary --e0cb4efe306061342b04c636794a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and= the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. =A0There i= s a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG ch= airs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeti= ng materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. =A0=A0

Regards,
Mary
--e0cb4efe306061342b04c636794a-- From stpeter@stpeter.im Wed Aug 1 09:14:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C1F11E8146 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.953 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.953 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.646, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VzLtfzmYKFww for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893F911E80E5 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unknown [67.177.192.224]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE2384044D; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <501955C9.1030801@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:14:01 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mary Barnes Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:14:08 -0000 On 8/1/12 10:06 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: > I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and > the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There > is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage > WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in > the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. A big +1. /psa From salvatore.loreto@ericsson.com Wed Aug 1 09:18:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671DD11E80E5 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:18:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.394 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.394 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.145, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fmz-dfJgJUV6 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EB511E8097 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:18:47 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7f236d000005cde-13-501956e56fa5 Received: from esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 32.81.23774.5E659105; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:18:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.lmf.ericsson.se (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.264.0; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:18:45 +0200 Received: from nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se [131.160.33.3]) by mail.lmf.ericsson.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF422AD0 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:18:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074A0533F5 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:18:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dhcp-113d.meeting.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C0F53314 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:18:45 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <501956E3.8070206@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:18:43 -0700 From: Salvatore Loreto User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager References: <501955C9.1030801@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: <501955C9.1030801@stpeter.im> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrDLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvre6zMMkAg4eHuS3+75/C6MDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujKeXlAoeslZcu72SvYHxKEsXIyeHhICJRPvexWwQtpjEhXvr gWwuDiGBU4wSq/8fZYRw1jNKnN77lQXCucwocbjzBROEc4xR4teO3cxwzg2wYRwcvALaEh1/ fEHmsgioSMxa+5YVxGYTMJN4/nALM4gtKpAo8Xn+DSYQm1dAUOLkzCdgN4kIiErMOXgI7CZh ATeJpYvXs4PYQgJ5EpvefAazOQW0JI4ufQVWzyxgIbH4zUF2CFteYvvbOcwQ/6hJXD23iRmi V0ui92wn0wRGkVlI1s1C0j4LSfsCRuZVjMK5iZk56eVGeqlFmcnFxfl5esWpmxiBIX5wy2/V HYx3zokcYpTmYFES57XeusdfSCA9sSQ1OzW1ILUovqg0J7X4ECMTB6dUA6OMaPA6lon38ypL 64S+861581JYznnekVuHv9RveBGS/NjE7Zn724dvuFgX6zC8NzoYmb/PfeP661VcHDX6F9ly hA7P2yReeOy8h9zqzznK8y0Wh4WVd7J1vZ+l2l+gr6urOqNStsLifdnM7W1aiwzeSR/lkNX3 qN35PHTNpC8Mn+c6y9752qDEUpyRaKjFXFScCAC/bmV2PwIAAA== X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:18:48 -0000 On 8/1/12 9:14 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 8/1/12 10:06 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: >> I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and >> the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There >> is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage >> WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in >> the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. > A big +1. > > /psa > +1 having a clean agenda and the online material/presentations that reflect the presentation order in the agenda (with a clear name for each presentation) is extremely important especially for remote participants but also for people in the room Sal From jmpolk@cisco.com Wed Aug 1 09:23:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379DD11E8097 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.097, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNHnEahJ-TsV for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3BE11E816E for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:23:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; l=1028; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1343838231; x=1345047831; h=message-id:date:to:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to: references:mime-version; bh=wYt93XUSIhVqWrq6NyRlz9FeTmEs+URgC6U7EYkccdU=; b=JXvx497DHUKuuFUtLer7Gv56DTCMXEdE9KKvilUSxJw03pvXm0vcLggU QWIp89QqKBhQbXGtZOLkYXaGtXkqwhznt9prC6gApOHEmPF3hgQ9RPIcH zHXd96voT+P81cllfYSU4O+p2D8uKtjMTkl5V/Bz7XRUI3dmh2sa7rvWW g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAHZXGVCrRDoH/2dsb2JhbABFuRCBB4IgAQEBBBIBJQI/EAcEGB4QGT4GATSHapxuoEyLSYcJA4hNmyGBZoJ9 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,695,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="53776170" Received: from mtv-core-2.cisco.com ([171.68.58.7]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 16:23:49 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-WS.cisco.com ([10.21.169.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by mtv-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q71GNlLH029549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:23:47 GMT Message-Id: <201208011623.q71GNlLH029549@mtv-core-2.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:23:47 -0500 To: Peter Saint-Andre , Mary Barnes From: James Polk Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager In-Reply-To: <501955C9.1030801@stpeter.im> References: <501955C9.1030801@stpeter.im> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authenticated-User: jmpolk Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:23:54 -0000 At 11:14 AM 8/1/2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >On 8/1/12 10:06 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: > > I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and > > the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There > > is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage > > WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in > > the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. > >A big +1. Well, I've always (like for 7 years) put the draft order "in" the preso name of each preso that's given in TSVWG. To me there's no way around that reality and others - i.e., it fixes multiple problems (like occasionally scrambling to figure out which preso is next). That means I need to create a consistent naming scheme for each meeting, which I do. It doesn't take even more than 15 seconds for each. Now, in MMUSIC (where I'm at with Mary), when a WG has 75+ presos on the agenda, 15 seconds each does add up ;-) James >/psa From ietfdbh@comcast.net Wed Aug 1 09:25:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548A911E8117 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:25:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.884, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BMkhoqRNHv4Q for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe14:43:76:96:62:24]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EBF11E8097 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hPyc1j00527AodY51URSoC; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:25:26 +0000 Received: from [10.59.1.23] ([71.233.85.150]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hURZ1j00N3Ecudz3fURbyh; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:25:36 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:25:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager From: David Harrington To: Mary Barnes , IETF WG Chairs Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:25:24 -0000 +1 I'm trying to follow from home and the lack of matching order and filenames/agendas is unnecessarily challenging. -- David Harrington Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Ietfdbh@comcast.net +1-603-828-1401 On 8/1/12 12:06 PM, "Mary Barnes" wrote: >I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and >the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There is >a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG >chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the >meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. >Regards, >Mary > From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 09:28:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5ED11E8186 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:28:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hj-S+aC6W3z9 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064DE11E8097 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so4997213lag.31 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:28:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=EKzc8whskFdrAFWIE5zeHG0QWYrbLCjxFSg+K0zHE6g=; b=xq9h5blu56ntuGE7trVuiquHQJcOkWNPdd7/XNmyT/qAIEJnOpttJAqqmU0qEMXWiq QJ7wGVy9EHwAoqoZppp5tCcGOm0c3OuC3wez4kTWUk9obn0vq6bJRkF/tqhqsAJCiK5Q 4/2EIC5OxkHaucsW5CXjot7egwF12e4ueshol+uG35d91lbXFdd4vikVBmtM1wFk28Ec q1xkWZQOn3Dm/52rK3LMBUvBGxwSOrHfIJYWvrcTcm4DsGqNoC7uYdqS0zbodQdk18Bn HugIj6jUHdAGcrMF+Mh91I2hC3czOabyohbt5xC/0Y/zFamTqpObJbGx5Rx7OwhYo/z2 /mFg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.104.77 with SMTP id gc13mr18539791lab.31.1343838515874; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.85.196 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:28:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager From: Mary Barnes To: Ted Lemon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04083adb5fcb0a04c636c989 Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:28:38 -0000 --f46d04083adb5fcb0a04c636c989 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I totally agree that it is clunky. I would personally rather have the mechanism we had in the past where we manually numbered the presentations and then hit re-order. That was less time consuming (but certainly no less error prone). Mary. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: > > I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and > the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There is= a > feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG chai= rs > to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeting > materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. > > > It is a bit clunky=97my experience has been that it's easy to get it wron= g. > It would be nice if someone ported it to use the drag and drop features > of some Javascript tool. > > BTW, I like your middle name! > > --f46d04083adb5fcb0a04c636c989 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I totally agree that it is clunky. I would personally rather have the mecha= nism we had in the past where we manually numbered the presentations and th= en hit re-order. =A0That was less time consuming (but certainly no less err= or prone). =A0

Mary.=A0

On Wed, Aug 1, 20= 12 at 11:20 AM, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> wrote:=
On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
= I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and the ma= terials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. =A0There is a fea= ture to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG chairs to= use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeting materials doesn't match what'= s on the agenda. =A0=A0

It is a bit clunky=97my experience has been that it's easy t= o get it wrong. =A0 It would be nice if someone ported it to use the drag a= nd drop features of some Javascript tool.

BTW, I like your middle name!


--f46d04083adb5fcb0a04c636c989-- From flefauch@cisco.com Wed Aug 1 09:31:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3691521F87F8 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.135, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dBbkv9iLCTdl for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E72521F8814 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:31:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=flefauch@cisco.com; l=942; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1343838707; x=1345048307; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=DB8WW3ENoMZP2dyKmFfOWAbIMZl9ufKzWmcHNoY7xP0=; b=C+mK8/kAbD+q/T094P566u9nP2kjyKMD3K6euOjvJe8B4iynLqmIjUuc Gx0VP3pO3YbhlD1Wt3MFtSLtBRF/ZYkx3FhpjJm53nztjO9LUKEvIdifw XPeHHb2SKOPhv7Lm7GaiYXQX3hJZr8YBl1IsaTnnyn1lRQy3bwhgiy0t7 g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFADhZGVCtJXG+/2dsb2JhbABFhTSzXIEHgiABAQEDARIBZgULAgEIRjIlAgQODhmHZQYLnGWgTYtJAYYoYAOIGI0vjieBZoJfgV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,695,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="107521336" Received: from rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com ([173.37.113.190]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 16:31:46 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x11.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x11.cisco.com [173.36.12.85]) by rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q71GVkTf024803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:31:46 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([169.254.15.184]) by xhc-aln-x11.cisco.com ([173.36.12.85]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:31:45 -0500 From: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" To: Mary Barnes Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Thread-Topic: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Thread-Index: AQHNb/+hbMJ9It8U6Eqck4GVijVU+pdFehyA Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:31:45 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.65.157] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19076.004 x-tm-as-result: No--36.458300-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <9BE057488E9552448FBBF167D2F755B3@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:31:49 -0000 Hi, As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using the Meeting= Material reordering tool. However,=20 * that produced the expected result when accessing presentations from: htt= p://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html * that did not produce the expected result when accessing presentations fr= om https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdn= i Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right thing? Tx Francois On 1 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Mary Barnes wrote: > I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and t= he materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There is a = feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG chairs= to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeting m= aterials doesn't match what's on the agenda. =20 >=20 > Regards, > Mary From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Aug 1 09:46:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611DE11E81E0 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:46:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.925 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.925 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.327, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TJHxdEfU7+mD for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295D911E8150 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:46:19 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFABRcGVDGmAcF/2dsb2JhbABFgkq2RoEHgiABAQEBAxIKEQNZAgEIDQQEAQELBgwLAQYBRQkIAQEEARIIGodrn2qdUotJhilgA5tEihCCYQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,695,1336363200"; d="scan'208,217";a="20662329" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 12:40:47 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 12:41:48 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CD7005.2B37A463" Subject: RE: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:46:12 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Thread-Index: Ac1v/6RtEBDgQYUaRbuSL9t+RJ8RvwABKNvA References: From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Mary Barnes" , "IETF WG Chairs" X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:46:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD7005.2B37A463 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's worth than this. It looks like the Materials Manager changes the original names of the files at upload to slides-84-wgname-xx where xx is the temporal order of uploading the file with the slides. This makes impossible matching the names of the presentations to the content.=20 =20 Dan =20 =20 From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mary Barnes Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 7:06 PM To: IETF WG Chairs Subject: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager =20 I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. =20 =20 Regards, Mary ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD7005.2B37A463 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It’s worth than this. It looks like the Materials Manager = changes the original names of the files at upload to slides-84-wgname-xx = where xx is the temporal order of uploading the file with the slides. = This makes impossible matching the names of the presentations to the = content.

 

Dan

 

 

From:= = wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Mary Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 = 7:06 PM
To: IETF WG Chairs
Subject: Organizing = presentations in the meeting materials = manager

 

I'm in a WG = session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and the = materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda.  There = is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage = WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in = the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. =   

 

Regards,

Mary

------_=_NextPart_001_01CD7005.2B37A463-- From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 09:49:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119C511E8150 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:49:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.532 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.532 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.066, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wdVW0aKr3fqw for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFE611E81E8 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so5009075lag.31 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bSdk9JFlIEH98KQdvQpiCE16Ehr8WCxDWF5DSAeEt8A=; b=Y1BbNOZxmaSRDiwv7WwKN6K/CNTq6oElBVxyOCRFMZHGy3JFqr62oECU+9o1Ekib3P 007RsKyA5L31NkZ7IFtLBP90meuJ75rtS5m2hCUreUaPbVC/n+onQih4CpVPpgSix1IC TT/8pKXTrOOxinvXGYbcZzuF7v2Z9dDiUBcopLUhG7AizXhjb601k+kRJ3IXzGhs4eb0 QVlfXsbuZVvwklZvimFORY3ojQhG1hlKsIwV3kr9p6no0d0AWyCPLXKpbYITxIFMtyPJ ytgSb+O4qTcYFyJIul0VMLS0V/K1j8ry/Hw9yQTtpQDGkQdSDLn8Rjd6+GEc+bIqxR1J v+Rw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.46.135 with SMTP id v7mr8485750lbm.3.1343839767585; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.85.196 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:49:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager From: Mary Barnes To: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec55240befb62b804c63713f3 Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:49:30 -0000 --bcaec55240befb62b804c63713f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You are correct. So, I think there is a bug (in the datatracker, I guess). On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) < flefauch@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi, > > As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using the > Meeting Material reordering tool. However, > > * that produced the expected result when accessing presentations > from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html > > * that did not produce the expected result when accessing > presentations from > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni > > Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right thing? > > Tx > > Francois > > On 1 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Mary Barnes wrote: > > > I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and > the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There is a > feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG chairs > to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeting > materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. > > > > Regards, > > Mary > > --bcaec55240befb62b804c63713f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are correct. So, I think there is a bug (in the datatracker, I guess).<= br>
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Francois= Le Faucheur (flefauch) <flefauch@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi,

As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using the Meeting= Material reordering tool. However,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * that produced the expected result when accessing presenta= tions from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * that did not produce the expected result when accessing p= resentations from https://datatracker.ietf.org= /meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni

Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right thing?
Tx

Francois

On 1 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Mary Barnes wrote:

> I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agend= a and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. =A0Th= ere is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage = WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the = meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda.
>
> Regards,
> Mary


--bcaec55240befb62b804c63713f3-- From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Wed Aug 1 09:50:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A48221F88CC for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:50:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tbalbHksKex4 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC1321F88D4 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E2F20BFF; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:50:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8z_tVTVQSGt5; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:50:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440E320BFE; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:50:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id B729D20FF74E; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:50:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:50:14 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Message-ID: <20120801165014.GA83848@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" , Mary Barnes , IETF WG Chairs References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:50:24 -0000 On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 04:31:45PM +0000, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) wrote: > Hi, > > As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using the Meeting Material reordering tool. However, > > * that produced the expected result when accessing presentations from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html > > * that did not produce the expected result when accessing presentations from https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni > > Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right thing? For my WG (NETMOD), the order is incorrect in both places but correct in the materials manager, that is I did put things in the correct order before the meeting but somehow this information did not propagate. (The meeting was yesterday afternoon and the order is still not correct, so I do not think this is just an update delay issue.) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From lionel.morand@orange.com Wed Aug 1 09:51:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AB911E80FD for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.434 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.434 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.163, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PHzj-QWy9wSY for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias92.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADC711E8091 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.2]) by omfedm10.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 8125626459C; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:51:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.183]) by omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 628B427C046; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:51:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::cc7e:e40b:42ef:164e]) by PEXCVZYH02.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:51:15 +0200 From: To: Mary Barnes , "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" Subject: RE: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Thread-Topic: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Thread-Index: AQHNb/+WoFweSfv750Wmjl+Di6gaIpdFBMGAgAAE8oCAACG+gA== Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:51:14 +0000 Message-ID: <24111_1343839875_50195E83_24111_6818_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E039701@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.2] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E039701PEXCVZYM13corpora_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2012.8.1.160329 Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:51:18 -0000 --_000_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E039701PEXCVZYM13corpora_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same issue for me when organizing my session. Hopefully, I use to give a di= stinctive name to the presentations. Lionel De : wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] De la par= t de Mary Barnes Envoy=E9 : mercredi 1 ao=FBt 2012 18:49 =C0 : Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) Cc : IETF WG Chairs Objet : Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager You are correct. So, I think there is a bug (in the datatracker, I guess). On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) > wrote: Hi, As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using the Meeting= Material reordering tool. However, * that produced the expected result when accessing presentations fr= om: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html * that did not produce the expected result when accessing presentat= ions from https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.gr= oup-cdni Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right thing? Tx Francois On 1 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Mary Barnes wrote: > I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and t= he materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There is a = feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG chairs= to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeting m= aterials doesn't match what's on the agenda. > > Regards, > Mary ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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Same issue for me when organizing my session. Hopefully, I u= se to give a distinctive name to the presentations.

 

Lionel

 

De : wgch= airs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Mary Barnes
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 1 ao=FBt 2012 18:49
=C0 : Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)
Cc : IETF WG Chairs
Objet : Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials m= anager

 

You are correct. So, = I think there is a bug (in the datatracker, I guess).

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Francois Le Faucheu= r (flefauch) <fl= efauch@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi,

As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using the Meeting= Material reordering tool. However,

        * that produced the expected result when access= ing presentations from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html

        * that did not produce the expected result when= accessing presentations from https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni

Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right thing?
Tx

Francois


On 1 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Mary Barnes wrote:

> I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda an= d the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda.  The= re is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage W= G chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeting materials doesn't match what's on= the agenda.
>
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> Mary

 

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--_000_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E039701PEXCVZYM13corpora_-- From ben@nostrum.com Wed Aug 1 09:58:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B851E11E816E for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HrqfnKC8aAEh for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B18C11E8155 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-625b.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-625b.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.98.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q71GwtY5064077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:58:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Subject: Re: WG Chairs Beer Evening, Wednesday From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <20120731154616.17811.qmail@joyce.lan> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:58:54 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <62554128-9B4B-4D6B-A184-F694FA9EA293@nostrum.com> References: <20120731154616.17811.qmail@joyce.lan> To: John Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.98.91 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:58:58 -0000 Isn't Steamworks Brewing down near the fireworks? If so, I suspect = that's part of the reason they wouldn't make a reservation. I will be = surprised if they aren't already full when we start getting there, and = that anything in the area might be the same. On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:46 AM, John Levine wrote: > ytsg, but keep in mind that the fireworks start at 22:00 >=20 > R's, > John From simon.perreault@viagenie.ca Wed Aug 1 10:07:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7486D11E8178 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:07:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.54 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aNNa9NVAZB0D for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000:226:55ff:fe57:14db]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2078811E8117 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from porto.nomis80.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:34aa:41c2:abef:4aa7]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EEDEB425E0 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50196250.9030709@viagenie.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:07:28 -0700 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120717 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG Chairs Beer Evening, Wednesday References: <20120731154616.17811.qmail@joyce.lan> <62554128-9B4B-4D6B-A184-F694FA9EA293@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <62554128-9B4B-4D6B-A184-F694FA9EA293@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:07:39 -0000 Le 2012-08-01 09:58, Ben Campbell a écrit : > Isn't Steamworks Brewing down near the fireworks? Nope, it's on the opposite side of the peninsula. Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca From gsalguei@cisco.com Wed Aug 1 10:14:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389C611E81F6 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MZaqFfjNuSSB for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-sj.cisco.com (av-tac-sj.cisco.com [171.68.227.119]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4F111E81E0 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:14:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from bonfire.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-sj.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q71HEqbc022989 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.21.77.136] ([10.21.77.136]) by bonfire.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q71HEpC3014893; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Gonzalo Salgueiro In-Reply-To: <20120801165014.GA83848@elstar.local> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:14:51 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2E62C928-C768-41CF-8BB8-E051103CBAD4@cisco.com> References: <20120801165014.GA83848@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:14:54 -0000 Exactly my experience as well. Gonzalo On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 04:31:45PM +0000, Francois Le Faucheur = (flefauch) wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using the = Meeting Material reordering tool. However,=20 >>=20 >> * that produced the expected result when accessing presentations = from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html >>=20 >> * that did not produce the expected result when accessing = presentations from = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni >>=20 >> Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right = thing? >=20 > For my WG (NETMOD), the order is incorrect in both places but correct > in the materials manager, that is I did put things in the correct > order before the meeting but somehow this information did not > propagate. (The meeting was yesterday afternoon and the order is still > not correct, so I do not think this is just an update delay issue.) >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 From johnl@taugh.com Wed Aug 1 10:19:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A2E11E82D7 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:19:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qukCWhjoDZCL for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F7511E828D for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 72430 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2012 17:19:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=11aec.50196518.k1208; bh=yigl3ywCdEgz+zQtY2FJhJ+IyIovg6CAOSAxBgZlmrk=; b=fxct1/lUsBHwpa8ovdXYAlWdrM0KALXnhVsQtsgM9d5C9QkKPVyjJf/1f1CXXzafR9QvweGOP83l91gz5YuryE5wIpvqn2DOXde2pidN/FC1JuKpejGP/8ZzDEtNqlCq+vH9WW7bwy2YkHBVHCJ5agdB+sq0s+e2BeoSP0NtHWw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=11aec.50196518.k1208; bh=yigl3ywCdEgz+zQtY2FJhJ+IyIovg6CAOSAxBgZlmrk=; b=kGv7pd5zOOIxtM28IlckDgnK9gY1PJqCQwSaY8qjG27dh1nKxNkAzTFFqifocXFd8i1/gs2mvE8LYYKMVemhm5t80v7/KxE+prUu222wR8V9pYMcbfrOjEHP03tUtJlocBT5EHZTMugTbtgbgvYkGlkpS85CD12RcuS8WO7/ZHc= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 1 Aug 2012 17:18:57 -0000 Date: 1 Aug 2012 10:19:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Ben Campbell" Subject: Re: WG Chairs Beer Evening, Wednesday In-Reply-To: <62554128-9B4B-4D6B-A184-F694FA9EA293@nostrum.com> References: <20120731154616.17811.qmail@joyce.lan> <62554128-9B4B-4D6B-A184-F694FA9EA293@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:19:24 -0000 > Isn't Steamworks Brewing down near the fireworks? No, it's in the opposite direction. It's about a 30 minute walk from Steamworks to the beach where you can see the fireworks. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. From jmpolk@cisco.com Wed Aug 1 10:25:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE8B11E83DA for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:25:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.095, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HTIBkVsi8rfx for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B519F11E83D8 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:25:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; l=1706; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1343841924; x=1345051524; h=message-id:date:to:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to: references:mime-version; bh=49zpj/kp1icGWc9tRcaNjCxyWTcQpskh8wM+15Cr/3I=; b=Musc4Vf/INKvFIMq0gxMBOfJlp9QAVmG8X6nYqcxeJe3ZHSUHz6zpoYK kOcwcj1g1Bz/zUYuu9TxR0Hw924vwrmI0Io0xu0AzNFnrQ6d04KMJhevp x/umtXzQj2aK/rJ3KCHg3BElmXMN9pr4gE4U8jkQCYLsv06AOIs86MEMw o=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,695,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="53702377" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 17:25:24 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-WS.cisco.com ([10.21.169.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q71HPNIb011598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:25:24 GMT Message-Id: <201208011725.q71HPNIb011598@mtv-core-3.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:25:23 -0500 To: Gonzalo Salgueiro , Juergen Schoenwaelder From: James Polk Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager In-Reply-To: <2E62C928-C768-41CF-8BB8-E051103CBAD4@cisco.com> References: <20120801165014.GA83848@elstar.local> <2E62C928-C768-41CF-8BB8-E051103CBAD4@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authenticated-User: jmpolk Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:25:25 -0000 well, I'm not sure why TSVWG shows the correct results on the datatracker https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-tsvwg as well as the proceedings http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/tsvwg.html both show the exact order I want... must be that pixie dust I used -j At 12:14 PM 8/1/2012, Gonzalo Salgueiro wrote: >Exactly my experience as well. > >Gonzalo > >On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 04:31:45PM +0000, Francois Le Faucheur > (flefauch) wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using > the Meeting Material reordering tool. However, > >> > >> * that produced the expected result when accessing > presentations from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html > >> > >> * that did not produce the expected result when accessing > presentations from > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni > >> > >> Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right thing? > > > > For my WG (NETMOD), the order is incorrect in both places but correct > > in the materials manager, that is I did put things in the correct > > order before the meeting but somehow this information did not > > propagate. (The meeting was yesterday afternoon and the order is still > > not correct, so I do not think this is just an update delay issue.) > > > > /js > > > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > From ben@nostrum.com Wed Aug 1 10:33:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D8A11E814E for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:33:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oRY+wdN3hJRQ for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A2B11E812A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-625b.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-625b.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.98.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q71HXEGE067587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:33:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Subject: Re: WG Chairs Beer Evening, Wednesday From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:33:12 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3CCE44D1-319D-4ADB-91B2-24F4ACDE1051@nostrum.com> References: <20120731154616.17811.qmail@joyce.lan> <62554128-9B4B-4D6B-A184-F694FA9EA293@nostrum.com> To: John R Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.98.91 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:33:21 -0000 Ah, I see. I was turned around about which waterfront had the fireworks. On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:19 AM, John R Levine wrote: >> Isn't Steamworks Brewing down near the fireworks? >=20 > No, it's in the opposite direction. It's about a 30 minute walk from = Steamworks to the beach where you can see the fireworks. >=20 > Regards, > John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY > "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. From gsalguei@cisco.com Wed Aug 1 11:01:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2484B11E831A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fctUpq7kc4Ak for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-sj.cisco.com (av-tac-sj.cisco.com [171.68.227.119]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6F211E81CE for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:01:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from bonfire.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-sj.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q71I1auk015656 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.21.77.136] ([10.21.77.136]) by bonfire.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q71I1ZB2008375; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Gonzalo Salgueiro In-Reply-To: <201208011725.q71HPNIb011598@mtv-core-3.cisco.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:01:35 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120801165014.GA83848@elstar.local> <2E62C928-C768-41CF-8BB8-E051103CBAD4@cisco.com> <201208011725.q71HPNIb011598@mtv-core-3.cisco.com> To: James Polk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:01:38 -0000 Hook me up with some of your pixie dust because the slides in the = Meetings Material Manager tool are ordered properly according to agenda = but everywhere else it isn't. Gonzalo On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:25 PM, James Polk wrote: > well, I'm not sure why TSVWG shows the correct results on the = datatracker > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-tsvwg= > as well as the proceedings > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/tsvwg.html >=20 > both show the exact order I want... >=20 > must be that pixie dust I used >=20 > -j >=20 > At 12:14 PM 8/1/2012, Gonzalo Salgueiro wrote: >> Exactly my experience as well. >>=20 >> Gonzalo >>=20 >> On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>=20 >> > On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 04:31:45PM +0000, Francois Le Faucheur = (flefauch) wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using = the Meeting Material reordering tool. However, >> >> >> >> * that produced the expected result when accessing = presentations from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html >> >> >> >> * that did not produce the expected result when accessing = presentations from = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni >> >> >> >> Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right = thing? >> > >> > For my WG (NETMOD), the order is incorrect in both places but = correct >> > in the materials manager, that is I did put things in the correct >> > order before the meeting but somehow this information did not >> > propagate. (The meeting was yesterday afternoon and the order is = still >> > not correct, so I do not think this is just an update delay issue.) >> > >> > /js >> > >> > -- >> > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >> > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, = Germany >> > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >> > >=20 From dworley@avaya.com Wed Aug 1 11:16:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F339011E8314 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:16:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.236 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.236 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.363, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wjfec6gshE+z for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29A211E82CA for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:16:38 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAGFwGVDGmAcF/2dsb2JhbABFuRCBB4IgAQEBAQIBEig/BQsCAQgNBAQBAR8QMh0IAQEEAQ0FCBqHZQafY51Ui0mGKWADm0SKEIJ7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,695,1336363200"; d="scan'208";a="318165087" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 14:12:04 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO DC-US1HCEX4.global.avaya.com) ([135.11.52.35]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 14:12:08 -0400 Received: from DC-US1MBEX4.global.avaya.com ([169.254.2.202]) by DC-US1HCEX4.global.avaya.com ([135.11.52.35]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:16:37 -0400 From: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" To: Ben Campbell , John Levine Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:15:03 -0400 Subject: RE: WG Chairs Beer Evening, Wednesday Thread-Topic: WG Chairs Beer Evening, Wednesday Thread-Index: Ac1wBvQg4f1R3f5qTFONJupVcADXLQACp8NW Message-ID: References: <20120731154616.17811.qmail@joyce.lan>, <62554128-9B4B-4D6B-A184-F694FA9EA293@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <62554128-9B4B-4D6B-A184-F694FA9EA293@nostrum.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:16:40 -0000 As others have said, Steamworks is a good distance from the fireworks, but = I expect you're right about reservations -- any place within walking distan= ce of the fireworks would be busy from dinner onwards, as people come into = the downtown early, eat, drink, then walk to the fireworks. Dale ________________________________________ From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Be= n Campbell [ben@nostrum.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 12:58 PM To: John Levine Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG Chairs Beer Evening, Wednesday Isn't Steamworks Brewing down near the fireworks? If so, I suspect that's p= art of the reason they wouldn't make a reservation. I will be surprised if = they aren't already full when we start getting there, and that anything in = the area might be the same. On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:46 AM, John Levine wrote: > ytsg, but keep in mind that the fireworks start at 22:00 > > R's, > John From caozhen@chinamobile.com Wed Aug 1 14:05:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962BB11E8262 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:05:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.227 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.227 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.603, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RELAY_IS_221=2.222] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jfjTza1Vz5Lj for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imss.chinamobile.com (imss.chinamobile.com [221.130.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DCD11E819B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imss.chinamobile.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.chinamobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA142E6A9; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:05:41 +0800 (CST) Received: from mail.chinamobile.com (unknown [10.1.28.22]) by imss.chinamobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE633E66C; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:05:41 +0800 (CST) Received: from cmccPC ([10.1.5.3]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.6) with ESMTP id 2012080205053847-74705 ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:05:38 +0800 From: "Cao Zhen \(CZ\)" To: "'Mary Barnes'" , "'IETF WG Chairs'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:05:37 -0700 Message-ID: <00cd01cd7029$67b249c0$3716dd40$@chinamobile.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJDsJjhuMWg94hMlwyVdIE9CftctpZY7+5g X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.6|March 06, 2007) at 2012-08-02 05:05:39, Serialize by Router on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.6|March 06, 2007) at 2012-08-02 05:05:41, Serialize complete at 2012-08-02 05:05:41 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CE_01CD6FEE.BB567F00" Content-Language: zh-cn X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.8231-6.8.0.1017-19078.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--19.720-7.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--19.720-7.0-31-10;No--19.720-7.0-31-10 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No;No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No;No X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:05:42 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01CD6FEE.BB567F00 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" + 1 And also include links of the presentation slides in the agenda, so that people can stick to the agenda page for efficient meeting. I notice some wg has already do that, e.g., http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-icnrg, I will also do that for my wg lwig this time. -CZ From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mary Barnes Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:06 AM To: IETF WG Chairs Subject: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. There is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. Regards, Mary ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01CD6FEE.BB567F00 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

+ 1

 

And also include links of the presentation slides in the agenda, so = that people can stick to the agenda page for efficient meeting. =

 

I notice some wg has already do that, e.g., http:/= /www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-icnrg, I will also do = that for my wg lwig this time.

 

-CZ

 

From:= = wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Mary Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 = 9:06 AM
To: IETF WG Chairs
Subject: Organizing = presentations in the meeting materials = manager

 

I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on = the agenda and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the = agenda.  There is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and = I would encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or = document name in the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the = agenda.   

 

Regards,

Mary

------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01CD6FEE.BB567F00-- From jgs@juniper.net Wed Aug 1 12:31:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD13211E809B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.104, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gQWqDOZGWUey for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og107.obsmtp.com (exprod7og107.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.167]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4ED521F8904 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob107.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUBmEFmWiFnlfXH5hyxJGuJmkZRw1XpPq@postini.com; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:31:36 PDT Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:29:51 -0700 Received: from jgs-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net (jgs-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net [172.23.2.14]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id q71JToh23453; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:29:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgs@juniper.net) Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" From: "John G. Scudder" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:29:49 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <5B234E3D-28CC-4032-8C2B-77F36CA79F88@juniper.net> References: To: Mary Barnes X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:20:08 -0700 Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:31:37 -0000 I agree. I made a similar comment to the Secretariat last time around, = but to no avail. --John On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: > I totally agree that it is clunky. I would personally rather have the = mechanism we had in the past where we manually numbered the = presentations and then hit re-order. That was less time consuming (but = certainly no less error prone). =20 >=20 > Mary.=20 >=20 > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Ted Lemon = wrote: > On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: >> I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda = and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. = There is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would = encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document = name in the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. =20 >=20 > It is a bit clunky=97my experience has been that it's easy to get it = wrong. It would be nice if someone ported it to use the drag and drop = features of some Javascript tool. >=20 > BTW, I like your middle name! >=20 >=20 From rjsparks@nostrum.com Wed Aug 1 15:29:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C0611E83C6 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.589 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KWZHMmRV1ioP for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB0F11E83C1 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-51d6.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-51d6.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.81.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q71MTHYJ096675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:29:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <5019ADC3.9020900@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:29:23 -0700 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Fwd: [84attendees] mike use References: <9967F2FE-FEF9-40D7-9D80-4C4C8CE09DDC@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <9967F2FE-FEF9-40D7-9D80-4C4C8CE09DDC@netapp.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <9967F2FE-FEF9-40D7-9D80-4C4C8CE09DDC@netapp.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080102040309070505020602" Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.81.214 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:29:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080102040309070505020602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen a bunch of "hold the lavalier mike in your hand" this week as well. They all should be set to a gain level appropriate for being clipped about collar level (And can be fixed easily if they aren't). Could we help coach new presenters to take the time to do that? The breath path artifacts that result from holding the microphone in front of the mouth makes it very hard to understand even when we're in the room, and has to be really hard for remote listeners. RJS -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [84attendees] mike use Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:02:55 +0000 From: Eggert, Lars To: 84attendees@ietf.org <84attendees@ietf.org> If you are speaking with one of the little clip-on mikes, please hold if UNDERNEATH YOUR CHIN rather than in front of your mouth. Thank you. (Can we make this part of the Note Well?) Lars --------------080102040309070505020602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen a bunch of "hold the lavalier mike in your hand" this week as well.

They all should be set to a gain level appropriate for being clipped about collar level
(And can be fixed easily if they aren't).

Could we help coach new presenters to take the time to do that?

The breath path artifacts that result from holding the microphone in front of the mouth makes it very hard to understand even when we're in the room, and has to be really hard for remote listeners.

RJS


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [84attendees] mike use
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:02:55 +0000
From: Eggert, Lars <lars@netapp.com>
To: 84attendees@ietf.org <84attendees@ietf.org> 


If you are speaking with one of the little clip-on mikes, please hold if UNDERNEATH YOUR CHIN rather than in front of your mouth. Thank you.

(Can we make this part of the Note Well?)

Lars



--------------080102040309070505020602-- From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Wed Aug 1 16:21:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1170111E83B3 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:21:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48NlmkSPxJba for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30B711E8391 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7fd46d000003161-58-5019b9f56a10 Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 8E.25.12641.5F9B9105; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.264.0; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:21:25 +0200 Message-ID: <5019B9F2.1030404@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:21:22 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: Fwd: [84attendees] mike use References: <9967F2FE-FEF9-40D7-9D80-4C4C8CE09DDC@netapp.com> <5019ADC3.9020900@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <5019ADC3.9020900@nostrum.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmplluLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGfG3VvfrTskAg92vzCz+75/C6MDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujGMfTrAWtPNV3Ju8n62BsZm7i5GTQ0LAROJW8zdGCFtM4sK9 9WxdjFwcQgKnGCVu/VjHCOEsY5TY3N0EVsUroC1x6fUiMJtFQEXi06ZX7CA2m4CFxM0fjWwg tqhAoMS3rcdZIeoFJU7OfMICYosIiErMOXgIrEZYQEPi0KPbQHM4gBbESJxdwwcS5gQav+bn P1aQsISApMTtAykgYWYBPYkpV1sYIWx5ieats5lBbCGg8oamDtYJjIKzkCybhaRlFpKWBYzM qxiFcxMzc9LLzfVSizKTi4vz8/SKUzcxAoPy4JbfBjsYN90XO8QozcGiJM6rp7rfX0ggPbEk NTs1tSC1KL6oNCe1+BAjEwenVANj7CQ2uamftqxbtPiBj47eFT/5H0zXorUOB7FOCOI+sO55 4AEn+YiilV2hDe4rX82bphma9fJ6beLtoEzDrzO64nyv1zlsNWXzfsKftJw/gEGvN95UeP7F KZ23rNp0XKuZWLq/mDP/+h/C6rKzbx9X46ey5aeL3X/O/yz1Npm1Uerk8qaSPSeUWIozEg21 mIuKEwGb3gOCGAIAAA== X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:21:28 -0000 Hi, I would also make a recommendation to ensure that the mic points up. These microphones are fairly non-directional, but not totally. So it will work better if sits slightly lower pointing up than higher up on the underside of the collar pointing over the shoulder of the speaker. Cheers Magnus On 2012-08-01 15:29, Robert Sparks wrote: > I've seen a bunch of "hold the lavalier mike in your hand" this week as > well. > > They all should be set to a gain level appropriate for being clipped > about collar level > (And can be fixed easily if they aren't). > > Could we help coach new presenters to take the time to do that? > > The breath path artifacts that result from holding the microphone in > front of the mouth makes it very hard to understand even when we're in > the room, and has to be really hard for remote listeners. > > RJS > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [84attendees] mike use > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:02:55 +0000 > From: Eggert, Lars > To: 84attendees@ietf.org <84attendees@ietf.org> > > > > If you are speaking with one of the little clip-on mikes, please hold if UNDERNEATH YOUR CHIN rather than in front of your mouth. Thank you. > > (Can we make this part of the Note Well?) > > Lars > > > > -- Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From cabo@tzi.org Wed Aug 1 16:37:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16D111E842F for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:37:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.491 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.242, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LZYDD9o-uoPG for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D1211E8427 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:37:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q71NbQ9M028614; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:37:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-9069.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9069.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.8.105]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84816D19; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:37:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [84attendees] mike use Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <5019B9F2.1030404@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:37:22 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <349EE535-DBEF-4CDD-8C29-A4CEE599E587@tzi.org> References: <9967F2FE-FEF9-40D7-9D80-4C4C8CE09DDC@netapp.com> <5019ADC3.9020900@nostrum.com> <5019B9F2.1030404@ericsson.com> To: Magnus Westerlund X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:37:39 -0000 On Aug 1, 2012, at 16:21, Magnus Westerlund = wrote: > I would also make a recommendation to ensure that the mic points up. http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/wiki/MeetingAV#Audio Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From johnl@iecc.com Wed Aug 1 16:58:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4220B11E80F7 for ; 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s=5019c284.xn--yuvv84g.k1208; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=2xZpHdpD5cOON1NuMcdRfJlNWARwQtjEwPyOH/Tm+S8=; b=KinDJ0No9hY+0U1lZxG6t+TlEEf/jzLm4miwg3CIi3GsE7nv7KKpGDYZ+KbubOQ0Q5UrfnShbBRiqpBt84HWWUuYlVaY7OMqETX9C+5z5CA6oRUcnwG/c6ARNyUorSub1vQv8T63oSVrujvSMPCYCPSp5IQ0MvvGaVhQfA/RK0E= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=5019c284.xn--yuvv84g.k1208; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=2xZpHdpD5cOON1NuMcdRfJlNWARwQtjEwPyOH/Tm+S8=; b=C2I1y7useWUD9YEnCHL4sp46GfxuLauN0lkIff935t8qk5X4aLMVX8Ivqgd6Anj0n8JA3uUFhsHJQzbWcFFzoEY1tAhjjA7c8GyXpHznG1ljkRjawiYe8bObDXYYK4nHX8QhsQubSLq+7jfWht2DqIAyyvvzqVT9JSXGSYlZJlA= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 1 Aug 2012 23:57:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20120801235733.3686.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG Chairs Beer Evening, Wednesday In-Reply-To: <62554128-9B4B-4D6B-A184-F694FA9EA293@nostrum.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:58:04 -0000 >Isn't Steamworks Brewing down near the fireworks? I have a room on the 28th floor of the Sheraton with a balcony I realize faces south, so it has good view of the fireworks. So I got a six pack of local beer and will be heading back from Steamworks at about 9:40. R's, John PS: I certainly can't drink a whole sixpack by myself. From adam@nostrum.com Wed Aug 1 17:07:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E75111E812A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dkSYAT5nGkHa for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08AC11E80EC for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-1418.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-1418.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.20.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7207f9S006129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:07:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <5019C4CD.6090009@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:07:41 -0700 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Levine Subject: Re: WG Chairs Beer Evening, Wednesday References: <20120801235733.3686.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20120801235733.3686.qmail@joyce.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.20.24 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 00:07:43 -0000 On 8/1/12 4:57 PM, John Levine wrote: > PS: I certainly can't drink a whole sixpack by myself. Are you sure you're a working group chair? ;-) /a From ietfdbh@comcast.net Thu Aug 2 05:40:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA69C21F841A for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.329 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.329 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.270, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wzWR3mYQ3c20 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266FB21F89B1 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hnHf1j0021HzFnQ55oh1Hn; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:41:01 +0000 Received: from [10.59.1.23] ([71.233.85.150]) by omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hogy1j0013Ecudz3aogzLa; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:41:00 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:40:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [84attendees] mike use From: David Harrington To: Robert Sparks , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [84attendees] mike use In-Reply-To: <5019ADC3.9020900@nostrum.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:41:00 -0000 Collars placements typically occur on one side or the other, and as the speaker turns their head, they can talk out of mic range. I have found that the best location is on the lanyard for the IETF nametag, preferably with the two sides of the lanyard pulled together and clipped by the mike. This keeps the mic centered. Otherwise, +1 about hearing sessions remotely being very difficult. -- David Harrington Ietfdbh@comcast.net +1-603-828-1401 On 8/1/12 6:29 PM, "Robert Sparks" wrote: > > > > > > > I've seen a bunch of "hold the lavalier mike in your hand" this week > as well. > > They all should be set to a gain level appropriate for being clipped > about collar level > (And can be fixed easily if they aren't). > > Could we help coach new presenters to take the time to do that? > > The breath path artifacts that result from holding the microphone in > front of the mouth makes it very hard to understand even when we're > in the room, and has to be really hard for remote listeners. > > RJS > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > Subject: > > [84attendees] mike use > > > Date: > Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:02:55 +0000 > > > From: > Eggert, Lars > > > To: > 84attendees@ietf.org <84attendees@ietf.org> > > > > > > > If you are speaking with one of the little clip-on mikes, please >hold if UNDERNEATH YOUR CHIN rather than in front of your mouth. Thank >you. > >(Can we make this part of the Note Well?) > >Lars > > > > > > From cabo@tzi.org Thu Aug 2 06:44:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3C711E80A6 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 06:44:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.198, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OpWI4tZVnqY8 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 06:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E4D11E80A3 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 06:44:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q72DhqWS028645 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:43:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-45ed.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-45ed.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.69.237]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91D8992; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:43:51 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Subject: Re: [84attendees] mike use From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 06:43:46 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <413F4B45-350E-4BB5-B811-144622693A84@tzi.org> References: To: "wgchairs@ietf.org Chairs" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:44:04 -0000 On Aug 2, 2012, at 05:40, David Harrington wrote: > two sides of the lanyard pulled together If there is any content in this thread that is not already covered by http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/wiki/MeetingAV#Audio please feel free to edit that. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From iad@ietf.org Thu Aug 2 09:45:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862A221E804B; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:45:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e1RWPWkfDC8d; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2E221E8040; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:45:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Administrative Director To: IETF Announcement List Subject: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120802164551.20569.2082.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:45:51 -0700 Cc: iaoc@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, ietf@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:45:51 -0000 A reminder of the 6 August deadline for input. Thanks The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is E= aster. The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled for 20 - 25 March 2016 and wou= ld like = feedback on those dates before making a decision. Comments appreciated to = ietf@ietf.org = by 6 August 2012. Ray Pelletier IETF Administrative Director From iad@ietf.org Thu Aug 2 09:47:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17BF11E814D; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QAZv15CfnrUe; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C611311E812E; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:47:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Administrative Director To: IETF Announcement List Subject: Draft Fees for Processing Legal Requests Policy X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120802164717.20616.13622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:47:17 -0700 Cc: iaoc@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, ietf@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:47:19 -0000 A reminder of the deadline of 6 August for input. Thanks The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed policy by the IAOC to = impose = fees to produce information and authenticate documents in response to subpo= enas and = other legal requests. The IETF receives requests for information, documentation, authentication o= r other = matters through subpoenas and less formal means that require manpower and m= aterials = to be expended. These requests are on the rise. During the period 2005 to = 2010 the IETF = responded to nine subpoenas. Since 2011 the IETF has received five subpoen= as and three = other legal requests for authenticated documents. = Each such request is time sensitive and involves the IETF Counsel, the IAD,= and members = of the IAOC, who together form the Legal Management Committee, to rapidly a= nalyze and = identify the means for satisfying the request. Often there is a need to re= tain outside counsel, = especially in cases that might lead to depositions or court testimony. = The IAOC believes a Schedule of Fees is an appropriate and reasonable means= to recover = costs associated with such efforts. The draft policy entitled Draft Fee Policy for Legal Requests can be found = at: Before adopting a policy the IAOC would like feedback on this before making= a = decision. Comments appreciated to ietf@ietf.org by 6 August 2012. Ray Pelletier IETF Administrative Director From adam@nostrum.com Thu Aug 2 10:01:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8543721F8569 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8P8ZH9sLL1yT for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6130521F8564 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-1418.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-1418.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.20.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q72H1DGp008535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:01:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <501AB259.6050701@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:01:13 -0700 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mary Barnes Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070505060505030105070301" Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.20.24 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:01:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070505060505030105070301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mary is right; there was a bug in the datatracker slide ordering. I've found & fixed it. It should become active the next time Henrik makes a datatracker release. /a On 8/1/12 9:49 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: > You are correct. So, I think there is a bug (in the datatracker, I guess). > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) > > wrote: > > Hi, > > As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using > the Meeting Material reordering tool. However, > > * that produced the expected result when accessing > presentations from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html > > * that did not produce the expected result when accessing > presentations from > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni > > Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right > thing? > > Tx > > Francois > > On 1 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Mary Barnes wrote: > > > I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the > agenda and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the > agenda. There is a feature to move docs up or down in the list > and I would encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular when > the text or document name in the meeting materials doesn't match > what's on the agenda. > > > > Regards, > > Mary > > --------------070505060505030105070301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Mary is right; there was a bug in the datatracker slide ordering. I've found & fixed it. It should become active the next time Henrik makes a datatracker release.

/a

On 8/1/12 9:49 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
You are correct. So, I think there is a bug (in the datatracker, I guess).

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) <flefauch@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi,

As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using the Meeting Material reordering tool. However,

        * that produced the expected result when accessing presentations from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html

        * that did not produce the expected result when accessing presentations from https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni

Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right thing?

Tx

Francois

On 1 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Mary Barnes wrote:

> I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda.  There is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document name in the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda.
>
> Regards,
> Mary




--------------070505060505030105070301-- From lars@netapp.com Thu Aug 2 11:07:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B7E11E8197; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.152, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m+9F8uuVAtZt; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862CF11E80F5; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:07:07 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,702,1336374000"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="672285146" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2012 11:07:07 -0700 Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.76.240]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q72I77ZQ001168; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.13]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:07:06 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: IETF Administrative Director Subject: Re: [IAB] Draft Fees for Processing Legal Requests Policy Thread-Topic: [IAB] Draft Fees for Processing Legal Requests Policy Thread-Index: AQHNcM6F4lt8DZmzr0CanT4RQaDhJ5dHRvkA Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:07:06 +0000 Message-ID: <23C09D95-E873-40C1-9BF5-3378290C9FD0@netapp.com> References: <20120802164717.20616.13622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120802164717.20616.13622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.115] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_019FCBF4-0AEB-43B1-91EE-DADB522F7EF3"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" , "" , "" , "" , IETF Announcement List X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:07:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_019FCBF4-0AEB-43B1-91EE-DADB522F7EF3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Looks good to me, but I agree with whoever suggested to increase the = fees. I think you could easily double or triple them. On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:47, IETF Administrative Director = wrote: > A reminder of the deadline of 6 August for input. > Thanks >=20 > The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed policy by the = IAOC to impose=20 > fees to produce information and authenticate documents in response to = subpoenas and=20 > other legal requests. >=20 > The IETF receives requests for information, documentation, = authentication or other=20 > matters through subpoenas and less formal means that require manpower = and materials=20 > to be expended. These requests are on the rise. During the period = 2005 to 2010 the IETF=20 > responded to nine subpoenas. Since 2011 the IETF has received five = subpoenas and three=20 > other legal requests for authenticated documents. =20 >=20 > Each such request is time sensitive and involves the IETF Counsel, the = IAD, and members=20 > of the IAOC, who together form the Legal Management Committee, to = rapidly analyze and=20 > identify the means for satisfying the request. Often there is a need = to retain outside counsel,=20 > especially in cases that might lead to depositions or court testimony.=20= >=20 > The IAOC believes a Schedule of Fees is an appropriate and reasonable = means to recover=20 > costs associated with such efforts. >=20 > The draft policy entitled Draft Fee Policy for Legal Requests can be = found=20 > at: >=20 > Before adopting a policy the IAOC would like feedback on this before = making a=20 > decision. 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ESMTP id C1C6221E8099 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2677812DCCA; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sOaCYIv-mrmC; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-624e.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-624e.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.98.78]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CDF6712DCB1; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: <5B234E3D-28CC-4032-8C2B-77F36CA79F88@juniper.net> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:01:01 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <89A3821B-3D8D-4A58-A9AA-B322F3572D7F@amsl.com> References: <5B234E3D-28CC-4032-8C2B-77F36CA79F88@juniper.net> To: John G. Scudder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:01:03 -0000 We cannot implement the manual numbering feature right now, but it will = be in place for IETF 85.=20 Alexa On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:29 PM, John G. Scudder wrote: > I agree. I made a similar comment to the Secretariat last time around, = but to no avail. >=20 > --John >=20 > On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: >=20 >> I totally agree that it is clunky. I would personally rather have the = mechanism we had in the past where we manually numbered the = presentations and then hit re-order. That was less time consuming (but = certainly no less error prone). =20 >>=20 >> Mary.=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Ted Lemon = wrote: >> On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: >>> I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the agenda = and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the agenda. = There is a feature to move docs up or down in the list and I would = encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular when the text or document = name in the meeting materials doesn't match what's on the agenda. =20 >>=20 >> It is a bit clunky=97my experience has been that it's easy to get it = wrong. It would be nice if someone ported it to use the drag and drop = features of some Javascript tool. >>=20 >> BTW, I like your middle name! >>=20 >>=20 >=20 ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Aug 2 15:25:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F9411E8102 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:25:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7RTYdS1CPnHG for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7EF11E80E1 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2001:df8:0:64:bc85:4151:f295:6b6d] (port=65421 helo=dhcp-4247.meeting.ietf.org) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sx3pe-0001Iu-3C; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 00:25:28 +0200 Message-ID: <501AFE55.4010506@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:25:25 -0700 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.6esrpre) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/10.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Roach References: <501AB259.6050701@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <501AB259.6050701@nostrum.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2001:df8:0:64:bc85:4151:f295:6b6d X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: adam@nostrum.com, mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com, wgchairs@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:25:48 -0000 I've now patched the production server with Adam's fix. Thanks, Adam! Best regards, Henrik On 2012-08-02 10:01 Adam Roach said the following: > Mary is right; there was a bug in the datatracker slide ordering. I've > found & fixed it. It should become active the next time Henrik makes a > datatracker release. > > /a > > On 8/1/12 9:49 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: >> You are correct. So, I think there is a bug (in the datatracker, I guess). >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) >> > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using >> the Meeting Material reordering tool. However, >> >> * that produced the expected result when accessing >> presentations from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html >> >> * that did not produce the expected result when accessing >> presentations from >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni >> >> Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right >> thing? >> >> Tx >> >> Francois >> >> On 1 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Mary Barnes wrote: >> >> > I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the >> agenda and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the >> agenda. There is a feature to move docs up or down in the list >> and I would encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular when >> the text or document name in the meeting materials doesn't match >> what's on the agenda. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Mary >> >> > > > From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 15:38:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B037811E80E1 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:38:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KHvPjihlKaya for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9678511E80BF for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgo11 with SMTP id go11so1348478lbb.31 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DzOszOkMrmaSI5YBauiKhXKIsPuBlXLOdkseBave1zw=; b=j1TwFwcEPWXQ6jvL/jKdDAnnoU6VXyNSnCLEZCXCGDNpA87TAVv4umY1C3QT/EGSEZ jB9jitINFNgCUuRlS1xthWf7UM4X3BM1WhJj7h1JecxfKGdho1Kl7Om57Z2xQmxJGGUs VEH/BQm0hvhbdqWvWvihvqo/mlFOX4T8ISMnALZvibLc+fZJpRQHL1BeU3sY2xOSNSHW QvET54A7ZNcAb5JmIb38Z2Kupyfpzxsqw6AdUshpAlZW5wxENOtN8x+TxhfOjK2sxZB1 iAjq1wQCH7nVYdez1lse5Oe3U+FPq2bbWYgD3UpExqxHrIVbW7vZ9eStKETVlrLWEg9t dL1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.104.44 with SMTP id gb12mr23031438lab.29.1343947107519; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.85.196 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <501AFE55.4010506@levkowetz.com> References: <501AB259.6050701@nostrum.com> <501AFE55.4010506@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:38:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Organizing presentations in the meeting materials manager From: Mary Barnes To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088ef5f0cb1d04c6501108 Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:38:29 -0000 --f46d04088ef5f0cb1d04c6501108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks! On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > I've now patched the production server with Adam's fix. > > Thanks, Adam! > > Best regards, > > Henrik > > On 2012-08-02 10:01 Adam Roach said the following: > > Mary is right; there was a bug in the datatracker slide ordering. I've > > found & fixed it. It should become active the next time Henrik makes a > > datatracker release. > > > > /a > > > > On 8/1/12 9:49 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: > >> You are correct. So, I think there is a bug (in the datatracker, I > guess). > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) > >> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered using > >> the Meeting Material reordering tool. However, > >> > >> * that produced the expected result when accessing > >> presentations from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdni.html > >> > >> * that did not produce the expected result when accessing > >> presentations from > >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni > >> > >> Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do the right > >> thing? > >> > >> Tx > >> > >> Francois > >> > >> On 1 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Mary Barnes wrote: > >> > >> > I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of docs on the > >> agenda and the materials/presentations are not in the order of the > >> agenda. There is a feature to move docs up or down in the list > >> and I would encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular when > >> the text or document name in the meeting materials doesn't match > >> what's on the agenda. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Mary > >> > >> > > > > > > > --f46d04088ef5f0cb1d04c6501108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks!

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:25 PM, H= enrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:
I've now patched the production server with Adam's fix.

Thanks, Adam!

Best regards,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Henrik

On 2012-08-02 10:01 Adam Roach said the following:
> Mary is right; there was a bug in the datatra= cker slide ordering. I've
> found & fixed it. It should become active the next time Henrik mak= es a
> datatracker release.
>
> /a
>
> On 8/1/12 9:49 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
>> You are correct. So, I think there is a bug (in the datatracker, I= guess).
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)
>> <flefauch@cisco.com <mailto:flefauch@cisco.com>> wrote:
>>
>> =A0 =A0 Hi,
>>
>> =A0 =A0 As a chair, I have tried to get the presentations ordered = using
>> =A0 =A0 the Meeting Material reordering tool. However,
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * that produced the expected result when a= ccessing
>> =A0 =A0 presentations from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/cdn= i.html
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * that did not produce the expected result= when accessing
>> =A0 =A0 presentations from
>> =A0 =A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/= meeting/84/materials.html#session.group-cdni
>>
>> =A0 =A0 Maybe other chairs faced the same issue. Or did I not do t= he right
>> =A0 =A0 thing?
>>
>> =A0 =A0 Tx
>>
>> =A0 =A0 Francois
>>
>> =A0 =A0 On 1 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Mary Barnes wrote:
>>
>> =A0 =A0 > I'm in a WG session right now that has oodles of = docs on the
>> =A0 =A0 agenda and the materials/presentations are not in the orde= r of the
>> =A0 =A0 agenda. =A0There is a feature to move docs up or down in t= he list
>> =A0 =A0 and I would encourage WG chairs to use that, in particular= when
>> =A0 =A0 the text or document name in the meeting materials doesn&#= 39;t match
>> =A0 =A0 what's on the agenda.
>> =A0 =A0 >
>> =A0 =A0 > Regards,
>> =A0 =A0 > Mary
>>
>>
>
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--f46d04088ef5f0cb1d04c6501108-- From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 16:09:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4A011E81A3; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:09:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.69 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.091, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NQ+gvgw96cQt; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C416411E81A0; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56so90823yhq.31 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:09:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=J/RQCTMHPF/S/TafyBP61vvjnzcsFaE7vG9xQ6fJC0Q=; b=cov/nU7szS6lZiQTeuYfx6NpMWLLvL/V7hcXqsOODF4+jiceAVxJ+fUHf7+Ts4cP3G xQpVMSVXsbgH2ZOo0jKKGXr+jnNBSIhV2ghZ/Alxyv5FI8qMcDtHjxDgOCUCbOBXnyDK 4yAy0beRKXGVaU0g4GJLG6OXY+cPwgxTzB2NggjjkwbRU3aEw4yRCCn2Ae7Q6OVKwCIM fXzdNTjNZQXc/kc7tafvWmDq6WjUgzUEVLPQGVdXJnFStevH0fkCPbtzAMVUWCIwo/pr iYGw5fS4MWfvTpSPH5butjXPQ6iBYwFu6PsCmfeMg8Mqe+S4YB0GiqttVP2jl34bE80h ojow== Received: by 10.50.46.232 with SMTP id y8mr6494330igm.57.1343948983230; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.21.119.96] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com. [128.107.239.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uq6sm12313211igb.14.2012.08.02.16.09.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [IAB] Draft Fees for Processing Legal Requests Policy Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <23C09D95-E873-40C1-9BF5-3378290C9FD0@netapp.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:09:38 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <59260491-B8D8-4825-BD9A-0106AC0092F0@gmail.com> References: <20120802164717.20616.13622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <23C09D95-E873-40C1-9BF5-3378290C9FD0@netapp.com> To: IETF Administrative Director X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: Working Chairs Group , IETF discussion list , IAOC , IAB IAB , IETF Announcement List X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:09:46 -0000 On Aug 2, 2012, at 11:07 AM 8/2/12, Eggert, Lars wrote: > Looks good to me, but I agree with whoever suggested to increase the = fees. I think you could easily double or triple them. I agree with Lars and the suggestion that the fees could be higher. - Ralph >=20 > On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:47, IETF Administrative Director = wrote: >=20 >> A reminder of the deadline of 6 August for input. >> Thanks >>=20 >> The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed policy by the = IAOC to impose=20 >> fees to produce information and authenticate documents in response to = subpoenas and=20 >> other legal requests. >>=20 >> The IETF receives requests for information, documentation, = authentication or other=20 >> matters through subpoenas and less formal means that require manpower = and materials=20 >> to be expended. These requests are on the rise. During the period = 2005 to 2010 the IETF=20 >> responded to nine subpoenas. Since 2011 the IETF has received five = subpoenas and three=20 >> other legal requests for authenticated documents. =20 >>=20 >> Each such request is time sensitive and involves the IETF Counsel, = the IAD, and members=20 >> of the IAOC, who together form the Legal Management Committee, to = rapidly analyze and=20 >> identify the means for satisfying the request. Often there is a need = to retain outside counsel,=20 >> especially in cases that might lead to depositions or court = testimony.=20 >>=20 >> The IAOC believes a Schedule of Fees is an appropriate and reasonable = means to recover=20 >> costs associated with such efforts. >>=20 >> The draft policy entitled Draft Fee Policy for Legal Requests can be = found=20 >> at: >>=20 >> Before adopting a policy the IAOC would like feedback on this before = making a=20 >> decision. Comments appreciated to ietf@ietf.org by 6 August 2012. >>=20 >> Ray Pelletier >> IETF Administrative Director >=20 From lars@netapp.com Thu Aug 2 16:46:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE3711E814E; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:46:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.149, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GVBbUCtY2PKV; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1701C11E8131; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:46:28 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,704,1336374000"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="672429185" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2012 16:46:12 -0700 Received: from vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.76.239]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q72NkCPd010253; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.13]) by vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:46:12 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Steven Bellovin Subject: Re: [IAB] Draft Fees for Processing Legal Requests Policy Thread-Topic: [IAB] Draft Fees for Processing Legal Requests Policy Thread-Index: AQHNcM6F4lt8DZmzr0CanT4RQaDhJ5dHRvkAgABUiQCAAAWEAIAABLCA Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 23:46:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20120802164717.20616.13622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <23C09D95-E873-40C1-9BF5-3378290C9FD0@netapp.com> <59260491-B8D8-4825-BD9A-0106AC0092F0@gmail.com> <7A745E18-820B-4470-A46A-5D7ADFAFA57B@cs.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <7A745E18-820B-4470-A46A-5D7ADFAFA57B@cs.columbia.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.116] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4D9D095E-C6F9-441C-BD77-AC0FE388ECA4"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Working Chairs Group , IETF discussion list , IAOC , IAB IAB , IETF Announcement List X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:46:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4D9D095E-C6F9-441C-BD77-AC0FE388ECA4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 2, 2012, at 16:29, Steven Bellovin wrote: > I don't think this can be a profit center; as I understand it, the = judge in any case will rule on the reasonableness of any fees. Agreed. My intent is not to create a profit center. But I do also avoid = this remaining a loss center for us. But I guess we don't need to discuss this here further. I'm sure the = IAOC has taken note and will look into this. 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14:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.6.130.49] (unknown [50.56.228.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC4AC22DD6D for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:42:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:42:15 -0500 References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Working Group Chairs Message-Id: <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:42:16 -0000 FYI; this came up at lunch in Vancouver. Feedback appreciated. Cheers, Begin forwarded message: > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt > Date: 7 August 2012 4:40:44 PM CDT > To: mnot@mnot.net >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Mark Nottingham and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-nottingham-registry-custodian > Revision: 01 > Title: Custodial Review Criteria for Designated = Experts > Creation date: 2012-08-07 > WG ID: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 6 > URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01= .txt > Status: = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nottingham-registry-custodian > Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01 > Diff: = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01 >=20 > Abstract: > This document specifies a set of review criteria for IANA registry > Designated Experts. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From dwing@cisco.com Wed Aug 8 12:15:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BF811E8097 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:15:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ASo9qvm2PGcs for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-1.cisco.com (mtv-iport-1.cisco.com [173.36.130.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E295B21F869A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:15:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; l=2878; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344453314; x=1345662914; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hGBp2rAiscr/QDhos7hC+Wv1+u40fVBqxbFdzDi48yY=; b=OhecLehGa0gkyJNudvgomWvir7C+4MMIpt0Q2rmpmB5b7OvSFJzqDlRL 4xSq0rVp+Guk81Rur2UgRV40y08H5dt2KdcoY7Pq0r1nW+KUsWxD5KI4p FnyVS0Ce6KjjIpKJtydZQdnwQKf2s2Q0ZChHi0BavjrFTzYBUW9qPPK4Y w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAF26IlCrRDoI/2dsb2JhbABFqhuPRYEHgiABAQEDAQgKARUCEDEDCQcHAQMCCQ4BAgMBAQEoBxkjCgkIAQEEARIJAgkOh2UFDJsOoEOLEoZgA4hOhQyJA40VgWaCfw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,734,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="51349193" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2012 19:15:14 +0000 Received: from dwingWS (sjc-vpn4-1372.cisco.com [10.21.85.91]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q78JFEdL020785; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:15:14 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Mark Nottingham'" , "'Working Group Chairs'" References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:15:13 -0700 Message-ID: <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac105YYdEqaluZuIS+q33TmAGrKEMgAs7FhQ Content-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:15:16 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Nottingham > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:42 PM > To: Working Group Chairs > Subject: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry- > custodian-01.txt > > FYI; this came up at lunch in Vancouver. Feedback appreciated. Additionally, for Specification Required registries, a Custodian: That scope is larger than the title or abstract. I think that scope is fine; just tweak the title and abstract to accommodate. o MAY approve registrations when it is, in their judgement, apparent that a specification will be published For that one, I would add "and MUST inform the community of this action via the nominated mailing list." After the specification is published (or in conjunction with its publication), there isn't a great need to inform the community. But, we could have a process problem if someone's judgement is way off or if IESG unexpectedly slaps the document down. o MAY consider specifications other than standards as meeting "Specification Required". References are encouraged to be reasonably stable, but references stability on its own SHOULD NOT be an impediment to registration, because the Custodian(s) MAY update it as necessary. I don't understand the first sentence, because Specification Required itself does not require a "standard". If a standard is required, it would have been one of RFC5226's more stringent policies like IETF Review, no? -d > Cheers, > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry- > custodian-01.txt > > Date: 7 August 2012 4:40:44 PM CDT > > To: mnot@mnot.net > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Mark Nottingham and posted to the > > IETF repository. > > > > Filename: draft-nottingham-registry-custodian > > Revision: 01 > > Title: Custodial Review Criteria for Designated Experts > > Creation date: 2012-08-07 > > WG ID: Individual Submission > > Number of pages: 6 > > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft- > nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt > > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nottingham- > registry-custodian > > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham- > registry-custodian-01 > > Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-nottingham- > registry-custodian-01 > > > > Abstract: > > This document specifies a set of review criteria for IANA registry > > Designated Experts. > > > > > > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > -- > Mark Nottingham > http://www.mnot.net/ > > From mnot@mnot.net Wed Aug 8 12:42:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3253E11E80FB for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.689, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lSFeQN6ltO58 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598EC11E80F3 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.6.130.149] (unknown [50.56.228.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A94222E1F4; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:42:34 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> To: Dan Wing X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: 'Working Group Chairs' X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:42:43 -0000 Hi Dan, On 08/08/2012, at 2:15 PM, Dan Wing wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Mark Nottingham >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:42 PM >> To: Working Group Chairs >> Subject: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry- >> custodian-01.txt >>=20 >> FYI; this came up at lunch in Vancouver. Feedback appreciated. >=20 >=20 > Additionally, for Specification Required registries, a Custodian: >=20 > That scope is larger than the title or abstract. I think that scope = is > fine; just tweak the title and abstract to accommodate. Any suggestions for the title? > o MAY approve registrations when it is, in their judgement, = apparent > that a specification will be published >=20 > For that one, I would add "and MUST inform the community of this = action > via the nominated mailing list."=20 >=20 > After the specification is published (or in conjunction with its = publication), > there isn't a great need to inform the community. But, we could have = a process > problem if someone's judgement is way off or if IESG unexpectedly = slaps=20 > the document down. Ack; will add in next update. > o MAY consider specifications other than standards as meeting > "Specification Required". References are encouraged to be > reasonably stable, but references stability on its own SHOULD NOT > be an impediment to registration, because the Custodian(s) MAY > update it as necessary. >=20 > I don't understand the first sentence, because Specification Required > itself does not require a "standard". If a standard is required, it > would have been one of RFC5226's more stringent policies like IETF > Review, no? It's to clarify; I've seen a fair amount of lot of back and forth about = what an appropriate reference for a specification is (especially = regarding change control, etc.) so I wanted to explicitly state what's = appropriate. I'll try to adjust this language to make it more clear; any suggestions = would of course be welcome. Thanks! -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From dwing@cisco.com Wed Aug 8 17:52:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C656711E8121 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.095, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mriqrWI5ajou for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104E411E80FF for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; l=3421; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344473575; x=1345683175; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date: message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jqu4brf+NmLhFxPW0i01q9ZNbWFP9EPKrcDMZfTc8cg=; b=gCX3wNC9O8tPJWYjMlaFLtyBr/VKaoq71CdFZXgedVBDgL9yI4vLg8Tv 6KhqCriz2YgsJXlUvCLSl/ECZ5eaFRXU6x9uRL+JEUIaiDlbaviYlf1zN l+hNR3KRKsaZT6/8GkCHxOGw1sPyOtSc6UFtHTOZ4jIcaYSQpvhEElMu3 c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAKYII1CrRDoG/2dsb2JhbABFqhyPRoEHgiABAQEDAQgKARcQMQMJAgUHAQMCCQ4BAgQBAQEnBxkjCgkIAQEEEwsJDodlBZs3oDKLEoZgA4hOhQyWGIFmgn8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,735,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="54406709" Received: from mtv-core-1.cisco.com ([171.68.58.6]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2012 00:52:54 +0000 Received: from dwingWS (sjc-vpn4-1372.cisco.com [10.21.85.91]) by mtv-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q790qsiW023390; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 00:52:54 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Mark Nottingham'" References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:52:53 -0700 Message-ID: <021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac11nfmC/sEf0i5lQMqNxNZlKVoCogAKeNIg Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Working Group Chairs' X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:52:55 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Nottingham [mailto:mnot@mnot.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:43 PM > To: Dan Wing > Cc: 'Working Group Chairs' > Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry- > custodian-01.txt > > Hi Dan, > > On 08/08/2012, at 2:15 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] > On > >> Behalf Of Mark Nottingham > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:42 PM > >> To: Working Group Chairs > >> Subject: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham- > registry- > >> custodian-01.txt > >> > >> FYI; this came up at lunch in Vancouver. Feedback appreciated. > > > > > > Additionally, for Specification Required registries, a Custodian: > > > > That scope is larger than the title or abstract. I think that scope > is > > fine; just tweak the title and abstract to accommodate. > > Any suggestions for the title? just drop "Designated Experts", because that constrains the document to RFC5226's definition of "Expert Review (Designated Expert)". Something like these seem better: Review Criteria for Registry Custodians Registry Custodian Process Process for Registry Custodians Registry Custodian Procedures > > o MAY approve registrations when it is, in their judgement, > apparent > > that a specification will be published > > > > For that one, I would add "and MUST inform the community of this > action > > via the nominated mailing list." > > > > After the specification is published (or in conjunction with its > publication), > > there isn't a great need to inform the community. But, we could have > a process > > problem if someone's judgement is way off or if IESG unexpectedly > slaps > > the document down. > > Ack; will add in next update. > > > > o MAY consider specifications other than standards as meeting > > "Specification Required". References are encouraged to be > > reasonably stable, but references stability on its own SHOULD > NOT > > be an impediment to registration, because the Custodian(s) MAY > > update it as necessary. > > > > I don't understand the first sentence, because Specification Required > > itself does not require a "standard". If a standard is required, it > > would have been one of RFC5226's more stringent policies like IETF > > Review, no? > > > It's to clarify; I've seen a fair amount of lot of back and forth about > what an appropriate reference for a specification is (especially > regarding change control, etc.) so I wanted to explicitly state what's > appropriate. > > I'll try to adjust this language to make it more clear; any suggestions > would of course be welcome. I would just quote RFC5226, which seems clear enough to my reading, something like: As explained in Section 4.1 of , "Specification Required" does not require a standard document; it requires permanent and readily available public specification, in sufficient detail so that interoperability between independent implementations is possible. Thus, a Custodian MAY ... <> -d > Thanks! > > -- > Mark Nottingham > http://www.mnot.net/ > > From jhutz@cmu.edu Thu Aug 9 13:56:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6319621F86B4 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:56:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hjBzePjxsmkV for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp02.srv.cs.cmu.edu (SMTP02.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.217.197]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09EC21F8621 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.2.193.239] (minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu [128.2.193.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp02.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q79KuisY022382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Dan Wing Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:56:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3-0ubuntu6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.197 Cc: 'Working Group Chairs' , 'Mark Nottingham' X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:56:47 -0000 On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 17:52 -0700, Dan Wing wrote: > > > Additionally, for Specification Required registries, a Custodian: > > > > > > That scope is larger than the title or abstract. I think that scope > > is > > > fine; just tweak the title and abstract to accommodate. > > > > Any suggestions for the title? > > just drop "Designated Experts", because that constrains the document > to RFC5226's definition of "Expert Review (Designated Expert)". No, it doesn't. Both "Expert Review" and "Specification Required" involve a Designated Expert. The instant document just discusses a special kind of Designated Expert, appropriate to both policies. IMHO, no change is needed. > > It's to clarify; I've seen a fair amount of lot of back and forth about > > what an appropriate reference for a specification is (especially > > regarding change control, etc.) so I wanted to explicitly state what's > > appropriate. > > > > I'll try to adjust this language to make it more clear; any suggestions > > would of course be welcome. > > I would just quote RFC5226, which seems clear enough to my reading, > something like: > > As explained in Section 4.1 of , > "Specification Required" does not require a standard document; it > requires > > permanent and readily available public specification, in > sufficient detail so that interoperability between independent > implementations is possible. > > Thus, a Custodian MAY ... <> I think the issue here is that people periodically believe that while "Specification Required" does not require an IETF document, it does require equivalent output from some other SDO. That is of course not the case, and I think quoting 5226 as you suggest ought to be sufficient to reinforce that point. -- Jeff From dwing@cisco.com Thu Aug 9 14:17:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6813F21F85C5 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:17:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.091, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SpCdpVhxi+wM for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E5821F85AC for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:17:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; l=2706; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344547068; x=1345756668; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date: message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PtgYwGbrsPuSYoa7lkieJ5zyymd/ERHmHXNBwQr9FBs=; b=fBtvfGyjIk2WgTPRF//GW5M3tKFs/J+crZQvUMCnPuMrN1whNCcD+txb KOoWJswNGG6EgxPYWkQ9ioZ9GLVfBDwo7GAk1VTNr5cuaUsNMg37Ajg7f dLX3F+zhBZAxQhoN/9cj44ombLs3US08w9zw3ZpLaIOnDhcunnst98Au8 Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoFAIzgI1CrRDoG/2dsb2JhbABFDoVzpB+PQoEHgiABAQEECAoBEAdBDAIMAQMCCQ4BAgQBAQECAiMDAgIZIwoJCAEBBBMLF4dqDJp7jRmTVIEhiW6FUoESA4hOhQyJA40VgWaCJlk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,742,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="54579272" Received: from mtv-core-1.cisco.com ([171.68.58.6]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2012 21:17:46 +0000 Received: from dwingWS (sjc-vpn7-1991.cisco.com [10.21.151.199]) by mtv-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q79LHjV6003564; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 21:17:45 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Jeffrey Hutzelman'" References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:17:45 -0700 Message-ID: <068401cd7674$6ba21280$42e63780$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac12cYSARu9UJ7pCQlSbqxeMr6eYAAAAc9kg Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Working Group Chairs' , 'Mark Nottingham' X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:17:51 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Jeffrey Hutzelman > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:57 PM > To: Dan Wing > Cc: 'Working Group Chairs'; 'Mark Nottingham' > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry- > custodian-01.txt >=20 > On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 17:52 -0700, Dan Wing wrote: > > > > Additionally, for Specification Required registries, a > Custodian: > > > > > > > > That scope is larger than the title or abstract. I think that > scope > > > is > > > > fine; just tweak the title and abstract to accommodate. > > > > > > Any suggestions for the title? > > > > just drop "Designated Experts", because that constrains the document > > to RFC5226's definition of "Expert Review (Designated Expert)". >=20 > No, it doesn't. Both "Expert Review" and "Specification Required" > involve a Designated Expert. The instant document just discusses a > special kind of Designated Expert, appropriate to both policies. >=20 > IMHO, no change is needed. The potential for confusion is = http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5226#section-4.1 which lists the assignment policies and only one of them says = "Designated Expert" in parenthesis in the assignment policy name itself. In contrast, = Specification=20 Required mentions Designated Expert only in its text. -d =20 >=20 > > > It's to clarify; I've seen a fair amount of lot of back and forth > about > > > what an appropriate reference for a specification is (especially > > > regarding change control, etc.) so I wanted to explicitly state > what's > > > appropriate. > > > > > > I'll try to adjust this language to make it more clear; any > suggestions > > > would of course be welcome. > > > > I would just quote RFC5226, which seems clear enough to my reading, > > something like: > > > > As explained in Section 4.1 of , > > "Specification Required" does not require a standard document; it > > requires > > > > permanent and readily available public specification, in > > sufficient detail so that interoperability between independent > > implementations is possible. > > > > Thus, a Custodian MAY ... <> >=20 >=20 > I think the issue here is that people periodically believe that while > "Specification Required" does not require an IETF document, it does > require equivalent output from some other SDO. That is of course not > the case, and I think quoting 5226 as you suggest ought to be > sufficient > to reinforce that point. >=20 > -- Jeff From david.black@emc.com Thu Aug 9 14:24:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973E121F860F for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.48 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.48 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UvsrnDvCS1ua for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D109A21F8527 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si02.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI02.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.55]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id q79LOWts007400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:24:33 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd03.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.145]) by hop04-l1d11-si02.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:24:15 -0400 Received: from mxhub07.corp.emc.com (mxhub07.corp.emc.com [128.222.70.204]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id q79LOEHG020329; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:24:14 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.189]) by mxhub07.corp.emc.com ([128.222.70.204]) with mapi; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:24:14 -0400 From: "Black, David" To: Dan Wing , "'Jeffrey Hutzelman'" Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:24:13 -0400 Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for 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Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt To: "Black, David" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Working Group Chairs , Mark Nottingham , Dan Wing , Jeffrey Hutzelman X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:24:05 -0000 So it means "Expert Reviewed Specification Required"... Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Black, David wrote: >> > No, it doesn't. Both "Expert Review" and "Specification Required" >> > involve a Designated Expert. The instant document just discusses a >> > special kind of Designated Expert, appropriate to both policies. >> > >> > IMHO, no change is needed. >> >> The potential for confusion is http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5226#section-4.1 >> which lists the assignment policies and only one of them says "Designated >> Expert" in parenthesis in the assignment policy name itself. In contrast, >> Specification Required mentions Designated Expert only in its text. > > I've been confused by this one also in the past. Changing the name > "Specification Required" to something like "Expert Review and Specification > Required" would help. Most people who see Specification Required" on an > IANA registry aren't going to go check RFC 5226 to figure out what it really > means. I realize that this is an issue with RFC 5226 that may be beyond the > scope of this draft. > > Thanks, > --David > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >> Of Dan Wing >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:18 PM >> To: 'Jeffrey Hutzelman' >> Cc: 'Working Group Chairs'; 'Mark Nottingham' >> Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian- >> 01.txt >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On >> > Behalf Of Jeffrey Hutzelman >> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:57 PM >> > To: Dan Wing >> > Cc: 'Working Group Chairs'; 'Mark Nottingham' >> > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry- >> > custodian-01.txt >> > >> > On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 17:52 -0700, Dan Wing wrote: >> > > > > Additionally, for Specification Required registries, a >> > Custodian: >> > > > > >> > > > > That scope is larger than the title or abstract. I think that >> > scope >> > > > is >> > > > > fine; just tweak the title and abstract to accommodate. >> > > > >> > > > Any suggestions for the title? >> > > >> > > just drop "Designated Experts", because that constrains the document >> > > to RFC5226's definition of "Expert Review (Designated Expert)". >> > >> > No, it doesn't. Both "Expert Review" and "Specification Required" >> > involve a Designated Expert. The instant document just discusses a >> > special kind of Designated Expert, appropriate to both policies. >> > >> > IMHO, no change is needed. >> >> The potential for confusion is http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5226#section-4.1 >> which lists the assignment policies and only one of them says "Designated >> Expert" >> in parenthesis in the assignment policy name itself. In contrast, >> Specification >> Required mentions Designated Expert only in its text. >> >> -d >> >> >> > >> > > > It's to clarify; I've seen a fair amount of lot of back and forth >> > about >> > > > what an appropriate reference for a specification is (especially >> > > > regarding change control, etc.) so I wanted to explicitly state >> > what's >> > > > appropriate. >> > > > >> > > > I'll try to adjust this language to make it more clear; any >> > suggestions >> > > > would of course be welcome. >> > > >> > > I would just quote RFC5226, which seems clear enough to my reading, >> > > something like: >> > > >> > > As explained in Section 4.1 of , >> > > "Specification Required" does not require a standard document; it >> > > requires >> > > >> > > permanent and readily available public specification, in >> > > sufficient detail so that interoperability between independent >> > > implementations is possible. >> > > >> > > Thus, a Custodian MAY ... <> >> > >> > >> > I think the issue here is that people periodically believe that while >> > "Specification Required" does not require an IETF document, it does >> > require equivalent output from some other SDO. That is of course not >> > the case, and I think quoting 5226 as you suggest ought to be >> > sufficient >> > to reinforce that point. >> > >> > -- Jeff >> > From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Fri Aug 10 10:07:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FCA21F8818 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:07:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.028 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.028 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Y-+b6mfgSps for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2442921F881E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lahm15 with SMTP id m15so1032358lah.31 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=k0k82Rs7OTRsBF73YmR2xC8763ni30scRwiWVRHWUP4=; b=jRAaf6iqdoiZ/m5Zr8YS70Xho3hGhG89AFLr2Suzsz/S3qTxRHi8pmvaaIFYAeWFAE 0LDOigIRD2NnQqPsxnq+hRD+4yH8pfytt/XoaxtfiN7zua25Q3NYfUOGOzi5s8XFcUk+ 4xyYIZjQXBZHUqG8llyGL5S8cV9Ot5sh3QbnnD9Axmlz5QpEXvks0mW77Ek2AzHWrfjA 8u41Pv6a3YsijMxbvQcry06pb3lrbRnYu9XtyUGZ//qlJLyNiDUNXv9ef+tiPVY4fYLh +Yn0CSkI9vu8N3Q9H5FjUgxoAB4pDHhYA7AYxL2kKMeJD5/nGjTlnppHd1ROIlZXFNoP yjnw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.114.3 with SMTP id jc3mr153270lab.11.1344618457124; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.113.196 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F123FD@MX15A.corp.emc.com> References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> <068401cd7674$6ba21280$42e63780$@com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F123FD@MX15A.corp.emc.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:07:37 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1Buxk6yBb6IHWuDBk2xGHNg6yOI Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt From: Barry Leiba To: "Black, David" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Working Group Chairs , Mark Nottingham , Dan Wing , Jeffrey Hutzelman X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:07:40 -0000 >> The potential for confusion is http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5226#section-4.1 >> which lists the assignment policies and only one of them says "Designated >> Expert" in parenthesis in the assignment policy name itself. In contrast, >> Specification Required mentions Designated Expert only in its text. > > I've been confused by this one also in the past. Changing the name > "Specification Required" to something like "Expert Review and Specification > Required" would help. Most people who see Specification Required" on an > IANA registry aren't going to go check RFC 5226 to figure out what it really > means. I realize that this is an issue with RFC 5226 that may be beyond the > scope of this draft. As it happens, I'm working on a revision to BCP 26: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis/ I've asked Mark to see how he'd like to blend his proposal into that document. I've also made a change that relates to Dan's comment: ------ 4.1.5. Policy: Expert Review (Sometimes also called "Designated Expert" in earlier editions of this document.) Approval by a designated expert is required. ... 4.1.6. Policy: Specification Required Values and their meanings must be documented in a permanent and readily available public specification, in sufficient detail so that interoperability between independent implementations is possible. When used, Specification Required also implies use of a Designated Expert (see Section 4.1.5) ------ I would rather not make the policy name as long as David's suggestion, but perhaps rewording this way works?: ------ 4.1.6. Policy: Specification Required Values and their meanings must be reviewed by a Designated Expert (as in Section 4.1.5) and documented in a permanent and readily available public specification, in sufficient detail so that interoperability between independent implementations is possible. ------ Barry From dwing@cisco.com Fri Aug 10 10:44:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2941121F8731 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:44:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z+FzalV090j3 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-1.cisco.com (mtv-iport-1.cisco.com [173.36.130.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F0421F8722 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:44:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; l=2855; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344620670; x=1345830270; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date: message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=q55JUfhHPpfSgW7d50SMuF2T3whWfnm6PYWiUhQdcd8=; b=G+h05LvTwo5xX5u8B08goP/ZYkCjxvSRDlaqHaJYwgPLdAec9tFq6hgs sfd/KE6Cmxn7c92zdTquvVaKgnzL9rHAZ5nDZm1GCsO6te+BTCZBN2Xr0 1PDiDBm3aFPj9qdM0Z0I9Rf5rPI2Pzb6L8NlwMYVKnqnaPcZCgVPlz6KB g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhkFAJFHJVCrRDoH/2dsb2JhbABEqi2PP4EHgiABAQEDAQECBQoBFxAxAwkCBQcBAwIJDwIEAQEoBxkIBxQKCQgBAQQTCxeHXAMGBQyYApYyDYlOiiplhmQDiE6FDIVEWIJniXaDH4Fmgn8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,747,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="51568228" Received: from mtv-core-2.cisco.com ([171.68.58.7]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 17:44:26 +0000 Received: from dwingWS (sjc-vpn7-1991.cisco.com [10.21.151.199]) by mtv-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7AHiQ3m004953; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:44:26 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Barry Leiba'" , "'Black, David'" References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> <068401cd7674$6ba21280$42e63780$@com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F123FD@MX15A.corp.emc.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:44:26 -0700 Message-ID: <09d401cd771f$c9297000$5b7c5000$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac13GqtGFwbebRNfSfSrz/fvWad8YgABLk6g Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Working Group Chairs' , 'Mark Nottingham' , 'Jeffrey Hutzelman' X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:44:31 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com > [mailto:barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Barry Leiba > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 10:08 AM > To: Black, David > Cc: Dan Wing; Jeffrey Hutzelman; Working Group Chairs; Mark Nottingham > Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry- > custodian-01.txt > > >> The potential for confusion is > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5226#section-4.1 > >> which lists the assignment policies and only one of them says > "Designated > >> Expert" in parenthesis in the assignment policy name itself. In > contrast, > >> Specification Required mentions Designated Expert only in its text. > > > > I've been confused by this one also in the past. Changing the name > > "Specification Required" to something like "Expert Review and > Specification > > Required" would help. Most people who see Specification Required" on > an > > IANA registry aren't going to go check RFC 5226 to figure out what it > really > > means. I realize that this is an issue with RFC 5226 that may be > beyond the > > scope of this draft. > > As it happens, I'm working on a revision to BCP 26: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis/ Great. > I've asked Mark to see how he'd like to blend his proposal into that > document. I've also made a change that relates to Dan's comment: > ------ > 4.1.5. Policy: Expert Review > > (Sometimes also called "Designated Expert" in earlier editions of > this document.) Approval by a designated expert is required. > ... > 4.1.6. Policy: Specification Required > > Values and their meanings must be documented in a permanent and > readily available public specification, in sufficient detail so that > interoperability between independent implementations is possible. > When used, Specification Required also implies use of a Designated > Expert (see Section 4.1.5) > ------ > > I would rather not make the policy name as long as David's suggestion, > but perhaps rewording this way works?: > ------ > 4.1.6. Policy: Specification Required > > Values and their meanings must be reviewed by a Designated > Expert (as in Section 4.1.5) and documented in a permanent and > readily available public specification, in sufficient detail so that > interoperability between independent implementations is possible. > ------ I like that improved wording. But can you make 4.1.5 and 4.1.6 more parallel (4.1.5 says "Approval by a designated expert is required" whereas 4.1.6 says "must be reviewed by a Designated Expert"). I don't know understand the nuance between "approval" and "reviewed" between those sections. Thanks for section numbers on those policy names; that helps with references. -d From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Fri Aug 10 11:27:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669B521F8741 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:27:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.025 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.025 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mjKS84DFOwKI for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6BA21F8717 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgg6 with SMTP id gg6so1106710lbb.31 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:27:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XBKdShCRPa4kqrTwe9Sqt9sTX2k7bRfn7O5AQX/pJSI=; b=P3+RXZL6KTi+uXhd4YVwsabah8ozFec+nfoGjh4tcVUm3W+qzW3onz7vPqYL2AVdxS AghS5IFCzY8lIPNEo8hnNl//89FFPbn59kf9Nn+rZRtEtRXcaZ9VDC6zYuxoE/wqy4aC ibs9MIXltC+hYG9sMQ2ugy1LettQYuMK/78ktyhT/sl2U6ZoGV4x3JJpi7WiBjUTwlje 7+fC4XmMI9Ofb7gki4evuV2WaXYy88cjGXdvcINKg4xJ+qB1e6A4nvLD+akJ+zXchOBm gmqM6MgfHazQRyNq7M5yuw/QApQiNhD1Me/JGNbW9a+K3oBpl7ilosZAojE6G+/dbh4R FfAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.43.135 with SMTP id w7mr2825396lbl.48.1344623228562; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.113.196 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:27:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <09d401cd771f$c9297000$5b7c5000$@com> References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> <068401cd7674$6ba21280$42e63780$@com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F123FD@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <09d401cd771f$c9297000$5b7c5000$@com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:27:08 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: T7RY_f-MW32XF5liEuc0Sv1wZkw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [happiana] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt From: Barry Leiba To: Dan Wing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2ab8e52c3b04c6ed7d39 Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:27:10 -0000 --e0cb4efe2ab8e52c3b04c6ed7d39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I like that improved wording. But can you make 4.1.5 and 4.1.6 > more parallel (4.1.5 says "Approval by a designated expert is required" > whereas 4.1.6 says "must be reviewed by a Designated Expert"). I > don't know understand the nuance between "approval" and "reviewed" > between those sections. Makes sense; OK. > Thanks for section numbers on those policy names; that helps with > references. It was suggested by Julian Reschke, for exactly that reason. b --e0cb4efe2ab8e52c3b04c6ed7d39 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I like that improved wording. = =A0But can you make 4.1.5 and 4.1.6
> more parallel (4.1.5 says "= ;Approval by a designated expert is required"
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Makes sense; OK.

> Thanks for sect= ion numbers on those policy names; that helps with
> references.

It was sugg= ested by Julian Reschke, for exactly that reason.

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--e0cb4efe2ab8e52c3b04c6ed7d39-- From david.black@emc.com Fri Aug 10 12:04:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAD421F86DC for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.484 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.484 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s1I91Dl28-Vs for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B734F21F86DA for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI01.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.54]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id q7AJ4AYJ008833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:04:10 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd02.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.253]) by hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:03:41 -0400 Received: from mxhub34.corp.emc.com (mxhub34.corp.emc.com [10.254.93.82]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id q7AJ3eKi001674; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:03:41 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.189]) by mxhub34.corp.emc.com ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:03:40 -0400 From: "Black, David" To: Barry Leiba Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:03:39 -0400 Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt Thread-Index: Ac13Gq2GrVYCEWJuQiSM0L623JJO1AAD6e0Q Message-ID: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F12566@MX15A.corp.emc.com> References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> <068401cd7674$6ba21280$42e63780$@com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F123FD@MX15A.corp.emc.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:04:14 -0000 Hi Barry, > I would rather not make the policy name as long as David's suggestion, > but perhaps rewording this way works?: > ------ > 4.1.6. Policy: Specification Required We're looking at different use cases and goals. The new text that you sugg= est for 5226bis looks fine, but my interest is in the policy name that shows up= in the public IANA registries. The name "Specification Required" does not convey the fact that an expert r= eview is involved to those not wise in the ways of the IETF ... and I'd prefer to have a policy name associated with the public registry that does convey tha= t fact, as the intended audience is unlikely to read 5226bis, IMHO. Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com > [mailto:barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Barry Leiba > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:08 PM > To: Black, David > Cc: Dan Wing; Jeffrey Hutzelman; Working Group Chairs; Mark Nottingham > Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custo= dian- > 01.txt >=20 > >> The potential for confusion is http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5226#sect= ion- > 4.1 > >> which lists the assignment policies and only one of them says "Designa= ted > >> Expert" in parenthesis in the assignment policy name itself. In contr= ast, > >> Specification Required mentions Designated Expert only in its text. > > > > I've been confused by this one also in the past. Changing the name > > "Specification Required" to something like "Expert Review and Specifica= tion > > Required" would help. Most people who see Specification Required" on a= n > > IANA registry aren't going to go check RFC 5226 to figure out what it r= eally > > means. I realize that this is an issue with RFC 5226 that may be beyon= d the > > scope of this draft. >=20 > As it happens, I'm working on a revision to BCP 26: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis/ >=20 > I've asked Mark to see how he'd like to blend his proposal into that > document. I've also made a change that relates to Dan's comment: > ------ > 4.1.5. Policy: Expert Review >=20 > (Sometimes also called "Designated Expert" in earlier editions of > this document.) Approval by a designated expert is required. > ... > 4.1.6. Policy: Specification Required >=20 > Values and their meanings must be documented in a permanent and > readily available public specification, in sufficient detail so that > interoperability between independent implementations is possible. > When used, Specification Required also implies use of a Designated > Expert (see Section 4.1.5) > ------ >=20 > I would rather not make the policy name as long as David's suggestion, > but perhaps rewording this way works?: > ------ > 4.1.6. Policy: Specification Required >=20 > Values and their meanings must be reviewed by a Designated > Expert (as in Section 4.1.5) and documented in a permanent and > readily available public specification, in sufficient detail so that > interoperability between independent implementations is possible. > ------ >=20 > Barry From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:28:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E30D21F8618 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:28:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.024 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.024 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GFPLKTT6f1Lz for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1AD21F8611 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgg6 with SMTP id gg6so1182066lbb.31 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:28:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/SnP67DO3kbmS8BsZJOUgB7Vl7+Fo+otH9qlkTI5T2o=; b=b8C7d1v6EcVTg3P92GPzHz9IBJ1R1VN0Rxeh/cGPxfFBhcRuUr8H6fRymn6rAk2vOf sKVyssDekKFvSLPetm+7T6BpRRvfpcX5voHBBCCqIpUlaD4ZIBZ0oQsVPxYKw0fcuwMf f4Q6YJ+icU/AU1R3XtseWPbZ+4hHip3Iojy2uIjcl5PpqI9DyawQQB03jy1Z4XqCnp7U pF0PPziW5DWcaSpfc0+7w7y88z8McWdkyjGZ7JKq3q8F9ezS1wxHwegfhT9Bh/0/P9nI bb/NYA78ddpd5QQvXpCIoOrrVZ0wyCw0VI2ue/ySWjPnlytqCEkeSrqMFNX+T0YISCGf gnFg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.112.136 with SMTP id iq8mr828590lab.18.1344634126210; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.113.196 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F12566@MX15A.corp.emc.com> References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> <068401cd7674$6ba21280$42e63780$@com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F123FD@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F12566@MX15A.corp.emc.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:28:45 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tL4875M7CpHKgiNCb_f3Be21Lv0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt From: Barry Leiba To: "Black, David" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:28:48 -0000 > The name "Specification Required" does not convey the fact that an expert review > is involved to those not wise in the ways of the IETF ... and I'd prefer to > have a policy name associated with the public registry that does convey that > fact, as the intended audience is unlikely to read 5226bis, IMHO. Ack. And I agree with your last point. There are two problems: 1. We have had people say in their documents, "Expert Review with Specification Required", and IANA have misinterpreted that as "Expert Review". I worry about continuing that confusion. 2. I'm also concerned, given how long these terms have been in use (14 years and more than 4000 RFCs since RFC 2434), with changing the well-known terms -- they are truly "well-known" in our community. We changed "IETF Consensus" to "IETF Review" when 5226 replaced 2434, and I still see the former term showing up here and there. I'd hate to confuse all of us in the process of trying to make things clearer for others. There's also another factor: 3. The Expert Review part isn't really something that a registrant needs to know about directly. If a registrant sees "Specification Required" and doesn't know anything more than that, she puts the required specification together and sends the registration request to IANA. IANA sends it to the designated expert, who responds that the specification is or isn't adequate, and so on, and as far as the registrant is concerned this is just part of what happens. Why does the registrant need to understand the expert review process? Can you help me resolve the first two problems, keeping the third point in mind, such that the result addresses your concern? Barry From david.black@emc.com Fri Aug 10 15:11:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DD221F857E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:11:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.485 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.485 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.114, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m8K4UP4zeIuy for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E1321F8568 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI01.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.54]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id q7AMAvBq015173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:10:58 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd02.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.253]) by hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:10:33 -0400 Received: from mxhub35.corp.emc.com (mxhub35.corp.emc.com [10.254.93.83]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id q7AMAX6h027964; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:10:33 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.189]) by mxhub35.corp.emc.com ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:10:32 -0400 From: "Black, David" To: Barry Leiba Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:10:31 -0400 Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt Thread-Index: Ac13Py3yp1owBXjfSNS0SzIy97EdhQABArcQ Message-ID: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F1259F@MX15A.corp.emc.com> References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> <068401cd7674$6ba21280$42e63780$@com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F123FD@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F12566@MX15A.corp.emc.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:11:04 -0000 Barry, I think problem 1 is related to and reinforces my concern, as it indicates that some draft authors also don't realize that Specification Required implies expert review. For problem 2, I certainly wouldn't want to invalidate the terms that have been used in the past, so I wouldn't want to prohibit "Specification Required [5226bis]". OTOH, independent of whether the registrant sees the review, the expectatio= n that one will happen is a good one to set, and the effects of the review will be seen if the initial reviewer response is not approval. Would the availability of something like "Specification and Review Required" as a synonym for "Specification Required" work? With luck, that's not easily confusable with Expert Review. Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com > [mailto:barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Barry Leiba > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 5:29 PM > To: Black, David > Cc: Working Group Chairs > Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custo= dian- > 01.txt >=20 > > The name "Specification Required" does not convey the fact that an expe= rt > review > > is involved to those not wise in the ways of the IETF ... and I'd prefe= r to > > have a policy name associated with the public registry that does convey= that > > fact, as the intended audience is unlikely to read 5226bis, IMHO. >=20 > Ack. And I agree with your last point. >=20 > There are two problems: >=20 > 1. We have had people say in their documents, "Expert Review with > Specification Required", and IANA have misinterpreted that as "Expert > Review". I worry about continuing that confusion. >=20 > 2. I'm also concerned, given how long these terms have been in use (14 > years and more than 4000 RFCs since RFC 2434), with changing the > well-known terms -- they are truly "well-known" in our community. We > changed "IETF Consensus" to "IETF Review" when 5226 replaced 2434, and > I still see the former term showing up here and there. I'd hate to > confuse all of us in the process of trying to make things clearer for > others. >=20 > There's also another factor: >=20 > 3. The Expert Review part isn't really something that a registrant > needs to know about directly. If a registrant sees "Specification > Required" and doesn't know anything more than that, she puts the > required specification together and sends the registration request to > IANA. IANA sends it to the designated expert, who responds that the > specification is or isn't adequate, and so on, and as far as the > registrant is concerned this is just part of what happens. Why does > the registrant need to understand the expert review process? >=20 > Can you help me resolve the first two problems, keeping the third > point in mind, such that the result addresses your concern? >=20 > Barry From jhutz@cmu.edu Sat Aug 11 15:27:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0676F11E80A5 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:27:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oMV3adQ2YZcF for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp03.srv.cs.cmu.edu (SMTP03.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.217.198]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DF511E8097 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.202.154] (pool-74-111-100-191.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net [74.111.100.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp03.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7BMRKDl026890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Barry Leiba In-Reply-To: <15500_1344634131_q7ALSnje016557_CAC4RtVD2FpCVBS5SBt6ny0uU+_KUWh=_X1uS47a8r=yJ77OpEw@mail.gmail.com> References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> <068401cd7674$6ba21280$42e63780$@com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F123FD@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F12566@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <15500_1344634131_q7ALSnje016557_CAC4RtVD2FpCVBS5SBt6ny0uU+_KUWh=_X1uS47a8r=yJ77OpEw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:27:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1344724040.15925.71.camel@destiny.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.198 Cc: Working Group Chairs , jhutz@cmu.edu X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:27:31 -0000 On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 17:28 -0400, Barry Leiba wrote: > 3. The Expert Review part isn't really something that a registrant > needs to know about directly. If a registrant sees "Specification > Required" and doesn't know anything more than that, she puts the > required specification together and sends the registration request to > IANA. IANA sends it to the designated expert, who responds that the > specification is or isn't adequate, and so on, and as far as the > registrant is concerned this is just part of what happens. Why does > the registrant need to understand the expert review process? So, "Specification Required" is both more and less stringent than "Expert Review". It is more stringent in that a (public) specification is required, whereas an Expert Review policy may not require a public specification at all, depending on the review criteria. On the other hand, it is also less stringent in that with Specification Required, it is possible that there are no review criteria beyond that. So, the scenario you describe makes sense _if_ there are no other review criteria. However, if there are, then the registrant needs to know about the expert review process to exactly the same extent as for the Expert Review policy. Of course, that's still not much -- submitting a request to IANA will get it into the expert's hands, but things will work better if the registrant knows what they are getting into. FWIW, my vote goes for keeping the existing names "Expert Review" and "Specification Required". It might be desirable for IANA to point out in the registries when a Specification Required policy includes other review criteria, so registrants know what to expect. But making the names long and complicated does not serve a useful purpose, IMHO. From mnot@mnot.net Sat Aug 11 15:31:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEB011E80A5 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oM4JcTceAkjg for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E1E11E8097 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.35.51] (unknown [66.140.241.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D51250A5D; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-registry-custodian-01.txt From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <1344724040.15925.71.camel@destiny.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:31:54 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <687863B2-6E20-4CA6-A0E2-F374C9F4FC33@mnot.net> References: <20120807214044.9787.11597.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <93B70448-5A69-4EB5-8631-71C772EC9C16@mnot.net> <00e701cd759a$232038a0$6960a9e0$@com> <19702_1344473580_q790qw0p020779_021601cd75c9$4f13daf0$ed3b90d0$@com> <1344545804.11547.8.camel@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> <068401cd7674$6ba21280$42e63780$@com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F123FD@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208F12566@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <15500_1344634131_q7ALSnje016557_CAC4RtVD2FpCVBS5SBt6ny0uU+_KUWh=_X1uS47a8r=yJ77OpEw@mail.gmail.com> <1344724040.15925.71.camel@destiny.pc.cs.cmu.edu> To: Jeffrey Hutzelman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: Working Group Chairs , Barry Leiba X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:31:56 -0000 On 11/08/2012, at 5:27 PM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > FWIW, my vote goes for keeping the existing names "Expert Review" and > "Specification Required". It might be desirable for IANA to point out > in the registries when a Specification Required policy includes other > review criteria, so registrants know what to expect. But making the > names long and complicated does not serve a useful purpose, IMHO. +1; I was never confused by this, FWIW, because it's one of the first = things that the description of SR says. -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From warren@kumari.net Tue Aug 14 12:45:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4253121E808A for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:45:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hSP2oSYCQo2W for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vimes.kumari.net (vimes.kumari.net [198.186.192.250]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B692B21E8063 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (66-87-85-207.pools.spcsdns.net [66.87.85.207]) by vimes.kumari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F315F1B403E8; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:45:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Warren Kumari Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:45:23 -0400 Message-Id: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> To: Working Group Chairs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:45:28 -0000 Hi there, I (and some other chairs!) are horrendously disorganized, and often = start WGLC by: A: Sending mail along the lines of "This starts a 2 week WGLC on = draft-ietf-foo-bar" and=20 B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data tracker=85 Two weeks comes and goes=85 and then another week or two before I = suddenly realize that the WGLC is still on and that consensus needs to = judged, etc=85 So, the feature I'm thinking of requesting is: Please add a date field next to the "In WGLC" field, listing when the = WGLC ends, and have the data tracker send email to the chairs alias = saying that the WGLC has ended when it does=85 Before asking for this, I wanted to get y'all's views -- would this be = helpful? harmful? Yes, I know I could just add a manual entry to my = calendar app, but, well=85. W --=20 There are only 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand = binary arithmetic and those who don't. From d3e3e3@gmail.com Tue Aug 14 12:51:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5340721E8091 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:51:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xWWxgtCNz80e for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CCA21E8063 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so990973ghb.31 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:51:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aKc+VKyC8UNDPbM6JdkBRUCiUtCbP6Vmvq1QQepBra8=; b=w4hMB7BGliaB2+TrHFpWcBqcdaep7fD0nKzEbmOyj6/AGEgNuUoO/A2GSyHiHVNGWc 4BTJ6n8ws1eSUtaegbF5UaOoy/jLvTgx3ZHaDLSe6nhmfwiI55BJncrl4K7E3neW/5sX gd2y6u0yTg+OUnP+yNTEbvcSlVWbbSPdXC2exOgsi4gRoXls0hSBh66nYU3SIV9ALqeA PIuWPgtOnh93PYyN8BPpTCjyGLR12gvlygGtPe4M2aGirwmXh4u25amTcAp6Mu2BY31B JhjmDV9XUzhmAo7uLyUUEat1ZcSzewmPJOKxvxKx8sJJieeo7UHHvLBsjxJlyU9h7+ju GvLA== Received: by 10.50.173.71 with SMTP id bi7mr13592756igc.8.1344973882528; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:51:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.15.6 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:51:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> References: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:51:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... To: Warren Kumari Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:51:27 -0000 Hi Warren, Seems useful. A little nudge from email would be good and wouldn't force you to do anything right away if, for example, there was active debate going on about some point. It should take the length of the last call as an input, defaulting to 14 days, as it is reasonable to make it longer if it is over holidays or the like. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > Hi there, > > I (and some other chairs!) are horrendously disorganized, and often start= WGLC by: > A: Sending mail along the lines of "This starts a 2 week WGLC on draft-ie= tf-foo-bar" and > B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data tracker=85 > > Two weeks comes and goes=85 and then another week or two before I suddenl= y realize that the WGLC is still on and that consensus needs to judged, etc= =85 > > So, the feature I'm thinking of requesting is: > Please add a date field next to the "In WGLC" field, listing when the WGL= C ends, and have the data tracker send email to the chairs alias saying tha= t the WGLC has ended when it does=85 > > Before asking for this, I wanted to get y'all's views -- would this be he= lpful? harmful? Yes, I know I could just add a manual entry to my calendar = app, but, well=85. > > W > > -- > There are only 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand b= inary arithmetic and those who don't. > > From leifj@sunet.se Tue Aug 14 13:03:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24E521E8086 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:03:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.963 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.963 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.364, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M0rAiRtB+fl0 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from backup-server.nordu.net (backup-server.nordu.net [IPv6:2001:948:4:1::66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE6921E8063 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] (ua-83-227-179-169.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [83.227.179.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by backup-server.nordu.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7EK2x8u015742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:03:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <502AAEF3.70005@sunet.se> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:02:59 +0200 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... References: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> In-Reply-To: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:03:05 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data > tracker… doh +1 on the idea -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAqrvMACgkQ8Jx8FtbMZnc/GwCfba/2DrLB32MC23jrrz/xjuAp bPYAnjFP1UQxVnsN8GmSPlVkp932zGAE =2aH2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jgs@juniper.net Tue Aug 14 13:11:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C2B21E8063 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:11:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.473 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.473 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.126, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T7OJAEsayr0s for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og114.obsmtp.com (exprod7og114.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.215]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586B621E8091 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob114.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUCqw60G99zrdEsCQ07A1LvIlWo1149kF@postini.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:11:25 PDT Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:09:14 -0700 Received: from [172.16.13.202] ([172.16.13.202]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id q7EK9Ch81067; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgs@juniper.net) Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" From: "John G. Scudder" In-Reply-To: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:09:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> To: Warren Kumari X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:11:26 -0000 I'd buy that for a quarter. --John On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > Hi there, >=20 > I (and some other chairs!) are horrendously disorganized, and often = start WGLC by: > A: Sending mail along the lines of "This starts a 2 week WGLC on = draft-ietf-foo-bar" and=20 > B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data = tracker=85 >=20 > Two weeks comes and goes=85 and then another week or two before I = suddenly realize that the WGLC is still on and that consensus needs to = judged, etc=85 >=20 > So, the feature I'm thinking of requesting is: > Please add a date field next to the "In WGLC" field, listing when the = WGLC ends, and have the data tracker send email to the chairs alias = saying that the WGLC has ended when it does=85 >=20 > Before asking for this, I wanted to get y'all's views -- would this be = helpful? harmful? Yes, I know I could just add a manual entry to my = calendar app, but, well=85. >=20 > W >=20 > --=20 > There are only 10 types of people in this world -- those who = understand binary arithmetic and those who don't. >=20 From warren@kumari.net Tue Aug 14 13:36:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A6021F875E for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:36:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UvroX2bwP7AS for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vimes.kumari.net (vimes.kumari.net [198.186.192.250]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5006B21F875C for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (66-87-85-207.pools.spcsdns.net [66.87.85.207]) by vimes.kumari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C0B5A1B40373; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Warren Kumari In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:36:21 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6218940D-88B8-418F-90D7-08B9F2078762@kumari.net> References: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> To: "John G. Scudder" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:36:29 -0000 On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:09 PM, John G. Scudder wrote: > I'd buy that for a quarter. Cool -- there are (as far as I can tell) 224 chairs -- if each one will = "buy that for a quarter" we should be able to raise $56USD, or almost = enough for a frozen beverage at Starbucks=85 Not saying that this will get this feature any sort of priority, but=85 = :-P W >=20 > --John >=20 > On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: >=20 >> Hi there, >>=20 >> I (and some other chairs!) are horrendously disorganized, and often = start WGLC by: >> A: Sending mail along the lines of "This starts a 2 week WGLC on = draft-ietf-foo-bar" and=20 >> B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data = tracker=85 >>=20 >> Two weeks comes and goes=85 and then another week or two before I = suddenly realize that the WGLC is still on and that consensus needs to = judged, etc=85 >>=20 >> So, the feature I'm thinking of requesting is: >> Please add a date field next to the "In WGLC" field, listing when the = WGLC ends, and have the data tracker send email to the chairs alias = saying that the WGLC has ended when it does=85 >>=20 >> Before asking for this, I wanted to get y'all's views -- would this = be helpful? harmful? Yes, I know I could just add a manual entry to my = calendar app, but, well=85. >>=20 >> W >>=20 >> --=20 >> There are only 10 types of people in this world -- those who = understand binary arithmetic and those who don't. >>=20 >=20 --=20 "He who laughs last, thinks slowest."=20 -- Anonymous From bensons@queuefull.net Tue Aug 14 13:42:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C89321F87B0 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UWp1rC8hq9qz for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C6121F87AF for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dakr19 with SMTP id r19so55598dak.31 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:42:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=9KyMFylhrV6poIyxmOaX5islyxpYPW/47+CVcR/ovho=; b=NeKyWgKYwLE17484QEp0zFwG4v8QROmBc6pvJzv0/Hc/laDkGkUylwBh1waUGCB2BA OkVU/xSo05mbXQJuXef/NG+nWNtRYLprARzu7SmLJ86AMnkZX+u5GdGmXTa4Yb7GdR7x 5tYoyvlYcCSI6NhUmWGdptOUNSDvI7//TLtoTocWWLOnfbZV9u8sfqJO0W1M2Q/vdhLq 4GvcZoxA7ewKL8j8P6stPo15NngMvBVIVqs04d23heM88kmHGkEK+9FqF7yQK7GhhPxE bwAJgLuvuYv+RaWXX7ZZ20VcbV8HW+lHssrfowKjPFCF6wZOUmdd8ncV7Mk1a87P39pu oQuQ== Received: by 10.66.75.168 with SMTP id d8mr22394849paw.63.1344976957166; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wasteland.local (natint3.juniper.net. [66.129.224.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id mn9sm1039227pbc.39.2012.08.14.13.42.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <502AB81B.1020207@queuefull.net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:42:03 -0500 From: Benson Schliesser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Kumari Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... References: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> <6218940D-88B8-418F-90D7-08B9F2078762@kumari.net> In-Reply-To: <6218940D-88B8-418F-90D7-08B9F2078762@kumari.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn5YXl+AHs2E8w1U8ooI0nI3qvJyb8qpgwB/1ToMGMmV6JPB5GIlodhV3mmaIrFpuhVc+kr Cc: "John G. Scudder" , Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:42:38 -0000 A good idea - I like it. For what it's worth, I typically put an entry in my calendar for the end-date, so I get a reminder from my calendar program. While we're dreaming up ways to remind chairs, maybe we could add an ical download option. (Let the feature-creep begin...) Cheers, -Benson On 8/14/12 3:36 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:09 PM, John G. Scudder wrote: > >> I'd buy that for a quarter. > Cool -- there are (as far as I can tell) 224 chairs -- if each one will "buy that for a quarter" we should be able to raise $56USD, or almost enough for a frozen beverage at Starbucks… > > Not saying that this will get this feature any sort of priority, but… :-P > > W > >> --John >> >> On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: >> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> I (and some other chairs!) are horrendously disorganized, and often start WGLC by: >>> A: Sending mail along the lines of "This starts a 2 week WGLC on draft-ietf-foo-bar" and >>> B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data tracker… >>> >>> Two weeks comes and goes… and then another week or two before I suddenly realize that the WGLC is still on and that consensus needs to judged, etc… >>> >>> So, the feature I'm thinking of requesting is: >>> Please add a date field next to the "In WGLC" field, listing when the WGLC ends, and have the data tracker send email to the chairs alias saying that the WGLC has ended when it does… >>> >>> Before asking for this, I wanted to get y'all's views -- would this be helpful? harmful? Yes, I know I could just add a manual entry to my calendar app, but, well…. >>> >>> W >>> >>> -- >>> There are only 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand binary arithmetic and those who don't. >>> From warren@kumari.net Tue Aug 14 14:04:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D219A21E80B0 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:04:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0wpcdQNrmHvr for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vimes.kumari.net (vimes.kumari.net [198.186.192.250]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F38821E809D for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (66-87-85-207.pools.spcsdns.net [66.87.85.207]) by vimes.kumari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 147EA1B403E8; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Warren Kumari In-Reply-To: <502AB81B.1020207@queuefull.net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:04:18 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <92DB6321-B04B-4D45-9099-02D3001E5516@kumari.net> References: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> <6218940D-88B8-418F-90D7-08B9F2078762@kumari.net> <502AB81B.1020207@queuefull.net> To: Benson Schliesser X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: "John G. Scudder" , Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:04:21 -0000 On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote: > A good idea - I like it. >=20 > For what it's worth, I typically put an entry in my calendar for the = end-date, so I get a reminder from my calendar program. While we're = dreaming up ways to remind chairs, maybe we could add an ical download = option. (Let the feature-creep begin=85) Well, the only other feature I can think of is "something that = accurately judges consensus for me"=85 oh, and "something that watches = for ad hominem attacks and sends warnings." The only 2 features I can think of are "a consensus judge" and an "ad = hominem attack detector" .. oh, and a "no meeting time without an onlist = discussion" reminder bot=85 The only 3 features I can think of are "a consensus judge" and an "ad = hominem attack detector" and a "onlist discussion bot" =85 oh, and an = automated document shepherd writer=85 The only 4 feature are "a consensus judge", an "ad hominem attack = detector", a "onlist discussion bot" and a "document shepherd writer".. = oh, and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope=85 W >=20 > Cheers, > -Benson >=20 >=20 > On 8/14/12 3:36 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: >> On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:09 PM, John G. Scudder wrote: >>=20 >>> I'd buy that for a quarter. >> Cool -- there are (as far as I can tell) 224 chairs -- if each one = will "buy that for a quarter" we should be able to raise $56USD, or = almost enough for a frozen beverage at Starbucks=85 >>=20 >> Not saying that this will get this feature any sort of priority, but=85= :-P >>=20 >> W >>=20 >>> --John >>>=20 >>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hi there, >>>>=20 >>>> I (and some other chairs!) are horrendously disorganized, and often = start WGLC by: >>>> A: Sending mail along the lines of "This starts a 2 week WGLC on = draft-ietf-foo-bar" and >>>> B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data = tracker=85 >>>>=20 >>>> Two weeks comes and goes=85 and then another week or two before I = suddenly realize that the WGLC is still on and that consensus needs to = judged, etc=85 >>>>=20 >>>> So, the feature I'm thinking of requesting is: >>>> Please add a date field next to the "In WGLC" field, listing when = the WGLC ends, and have the data tracker send email to the chairs alias = saying that the WGLC has ended when it does=85 >>>>=20 >>>> Before asking for this, I wanted to get y'all's views -- would this = be helpful? harmful? Yes, I know I could just add a manual entry to my = calendar app, but, well=85. >>>>=20 >>>> W >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> There are only 10 types of people in this world -- those who = understand binary arithmetic and those who don't. >>>>=20 >=20 -- She'd even given herself a middle initial - X - which stood for "someone = who has a cool and exciting middle name". -- (Terry Pratchett, Maskerade) From tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 14:21:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60A221F8731 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m7VUFf8oPnDa for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B7E21F86FE for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.ecs.soton.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7ELLiWL032061 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:21:44 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk q7ELLiWL032061 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=200903; t=1344979304; bh=nWONCP9LEQw+6HoMAxCfnK3G4UQ=; h=From:Subject:Date:To:Mime-Version:References; b=dHBEibpDEnouGbFYwBcV8cYxt1Cd3hhKoRKmm4rMNQa6jwrXQTntyRIM9UVv6Owa+ xjA+6TrPpSE4GBWqqA0+/kFEHpnICpy2e5NZC1JXOj8nFDgPdyL4wlh2+HwgKuHB+N 1LKdTAu6ZVW7gBIeisnXT2v03Jq/u92+R+kyjMJs= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id o7DMLi0430650710V6 ret-id none; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:21:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (host213-123-213-183.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.123.213.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7ELKPLq018929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:20:26 +0100 From: Tim Chown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Interim meetings post RIPE65 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:20:29 +0100 To: Working Group Chairs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=o7DMLi043065071000; tid=o7DMLi0430650710V6; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0 References: <6D9087CD-2222-4937-8449-588DAD603E70@ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: q7ELLiWL032061 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:21:54 -0000 Hi, I hear some WGs will be hosting interim meetings after RIPE65 (Sep = 28/29). Is there any need for some coordination, or is having all the = meetings overlap inevitable? I have already seen SIDR and v6ops discussing plans. Tim= From joelja@bogus.com Tue Aug 14 14:25:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE12C21F8734 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.139 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.139 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.140, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kLH2yKbGnkGi for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A36D21F867C for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from joels-MacBook-Air.local (host-64-47-153-50.masergy.com [64.47.153.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7ELPg1X015160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:25:42 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <502AC250.1090505@bogus.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:25:36 -0700 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120731 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Chown Subject: Re: Interim meetings post RIPE65 References: <6D9087CD-2222-4937-8449-588DAD603E70@ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:25:47 -0000 This all dovetails with the IETF chairs proposal for LIM (Large Interim Meeting). We're down the the point where if it's going to fly as cohesive thing some structure needs to be applied to the collective activity. IMHO joel On 8/14/12 2:20 PM, Tim Chown wrote: > Hi, > > I hear some WGs will be hosting interim meetings after RIPE65 (Sep 28/29). Is there any need for some coordination, or is having all the meetings overlap inevitable? > > I have already seen SIDR and v6ops discussing plans. > > Tim > From martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com Tue Aug 14 14:41:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F09E21F87C6 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:41:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.674 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.674 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.574, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cD3VKfB3RgA6 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail6.alcatel.fr (smail6.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56E221F87C9 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q7ELfftU015784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:41:41 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.37]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.61]) with mapi; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:41:40 +0200 From: "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" To: Warren Kumari , Working Group Chairs Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:41:40 +0200 Subject: RE: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... Thread-Topic: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... Thread-Index: Ac16VYQ6YSFCQWE3StW9yOgV4PGflQAEBKw0 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR, en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CCBFBB7025DF984494DEC3285C05815212FF0822F3FRMRSSXCHMBSA_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.84 X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:41:43 -0000 --_000_CCBFBB7025DF984494DEC3285C05815212FF0822F3FRMRSSXCHMBSA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are using this feature in mpls, but implemented in some alternative onli= ne tool which tracks the end dates of polls, WG LCs and so on, and sends a = reminder to the chairs the day after the end date. This is really useful. So augmenting the datatracker with this feature woul= d be a good thing. Martin ________________________________ De : Warren Kumari Envoy=E9 : 14/08/2012 21:46 =C0 : Working Group Chairs Objet : Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... Hi there, I (and some other chairs!) are horrendously disorganized, and often start W= GLC by: A: Sending mail along the lines of "This starts a 2 week WGLC on draft-ietf= -foo-bar" and B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data tracker=85 Two weeks comes and goes=85 and then another week or two before I suddenly = realize that the WGLC is still on and that consensus needs to judged, etc= =85 So, the feature I'm thinking of requesting is: Please add a date field next to the "In WGLC" field, listing when the WGLC = ends, and have the data tracker send email to the chairs alias saying that = the WGLC has ended when it does=85 Before asking for this, I wanted to get y'all's views -- would this be help= ful? harmful? Yes, I know I could just add a manual entry to my calendar ap= p, but, well=85. W -- There are only 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand bin= ary arithmetic and those who don't. --_000_CCBFBB7025DF984494DEC3285C05815212FF0822F3FRMRSSXCHMBSA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We= are using this feature in mpls, but implemented in some alternative online= tool which tracks the end dates of polls, WG LCs and so on, and sends a re= minder to the chairs the day after the end date.
This is really useful. = So augmenting the datatracker with this feature would be a good thing.
<= br>Martin
De : Warren Kumari
Envoy=E9 : 14/08/20= 12 21:46
=C0 : Working Group Chairs
Objet : Thoughts= on a Datatracker feature request...

Hi there,

I (and some other chairs!) are horrendously disorganized, and often start W= GLC by:
A: Sending mail along the lines of "This starts a 2 week WGLC on draft= -ietf-foo-bar" and
B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data tr= acker=85

Two weeks comes and goes=85 and then another week or two before I suddenly = realize that the WGLC is still on and that consensus needs to judged, etc= =85

So, the feature I'm thinking of requesting is:
Please add a date field next to the "In WGLC" field, listing when= the WGLC ends, and have the data tracker send email to the chairs alias sa= ying that the WGLC has ended when it does=85

Before asking for this, I wanted to get y'all's views -- would this be help= ful? harmful? Yes, I know I could just add a manual entry to my calendar ap= p, but, well=85.

W

--
There are only 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand bin= ary arithmetic and those who don't.


 --_000_CCBFBB7025DF984494DEC3285C05815212FF0822F3FRMRSSXCHMBSA_-- From Sandra.Murphy@sparta.com Tue Aug 14 15:14:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8718E21F8658 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:14:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.242 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.242 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.243, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a53UPzKTldR1 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from M4.sparta.com (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBE721F8652 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7EMEGph026914; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:14:16 -0500 Received: from Hermes.columbia.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.80.107]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7EMEGOp026407; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:14:16 -0500 Received: from HERMES.columbia.ads.sparta.com ([fe80::e4a8:a383:2128:c0e5]) by Hermes.columbia.ads.sparta.com ([fe80::e4a8:a383:2128:c0e5%21]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:14:12 -0400 From: "Murphy, Sandra" To: Tim Chown , Working Group Chairs Subject: RE: Interim meetings post RIPE65 Thread-Topic: Interim meetings post RIPE65 Thread-Index: AQHNemLWgwGYLI8L90ybbL7Bq1D9x5dZ3x4o Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:14:11 +0000 Message-ID: <24B20D14B2CD29478C8D5D6E9CBB29F625F5625C@Hermes.columbia.ads.sparta.com> References: <6D9087CD-2222-4937-8449-588DAD603E70@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [157.185.63.137] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:14:50 -0000 SIDR scheduled this interim meeting on the basis of news that the IETF was = organizing a Large Interim Meeting (LIM).=0A= =0A= --Sandy=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Ti= m Chown [tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk]=0A= Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:20 PM=0A= To: Working Group Chairs=0A= Subject: Interim meetings post RIPE65=0A= =0A= Hi,=0A= =0A= I hear some WGs will be hosting interim meetings after RIPE65 (Sep 28/29). = Is there any need for some coordination, or is having all the meetings ove= rlap inevitable?=0A= =0A= I have already seen SIDR and v6ops discussing plans.=0A= =0A= Tim=0A= From iad@ietf.org Wed Aug 15 12:04:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B20521E80AB; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UbnRg8au0XWu; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBC021E8034; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Administrative Director To: IETF Announcement List Subject: IETF 92 in Dallas! X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120815190455.14702.74089.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:04:55 -0700 Cc: iaoc@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, ietf@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:04:56 -0000 The IAOC is pleased to announce Dallas, TX, USA as the site for IETF 92 fro= m March 22-27, = 2015. The IETF was last in Dallas for IETF 65 in 2006. IETF 92 will be at= a different venue in = the Dallas Arts District. Those who may be interested in hosting or sponsoring this or any future mee= ting are invited to = contact Drew Dvorshak at dvorshak@isoc.org. See Host opportunities below. Ray Pelletier IETF Administrative Director IETF Meeting Schedule: 2012 IETF 85 Atlanta 4 - 9 November Host: North American Cable Industry 2013 IETF 86 Orlando 10 - 15 March (Back-to-back with IEEE 802) Comcast & NBC= Universal IETF 87 Berlin 28 July - 2 Aug Host and Sponsors Sought IETF 88 Vancouver 3 - 8 November Host Sought 2014 - Hosts sought IETF 89 London IETF 90 Toronto IETF 91 Honolulu = 2015 - Hosts sought IETF 92 Dallas IETF 93 Europe IETF 94 Yokohama WIDE From joelja@bogus.com Wed Aug 15 22:15:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709DB21F84DD; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:15:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.319 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.319 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.280, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UovZ-F1mVl6h; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CF521F84D9; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from joels-MacBook-Air.local (c-98-234-216-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.216.143]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7G5Ex5N028696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:14:59 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <502C81D2.3020600@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:14:58 -0700 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120808 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alejandro Acosta Subject: Re: IETF 92 in Dallas! References: <20120815190455.14702.74089.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <618FF5D7-5351-468C-A08E-4C104B063D16@lacnic.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, Arturo Servin , iaoc@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, IETF Announcement List X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:15:04 -0000 On 8/15/12 9:49 PM, Alejandro Acosta wrote: > Hi All, > In my humble opinion I totally agree with Arturo. So far I do know > several cities in Latin America and I believe Sao Paulo (Brazil) or > Cancun (Mexico) might be a good options. Of course there are many more > good cities, those ware the first two that came to my mind. > I hope IETF 100 can be done over there. Notably Sao Paulo gets a train line from GRU in time for the worldcup in theory, which would be a substantial accessibility improvement. Some locations in the southern hemisphere where attendees hail from have even more painful routing than normal to GRU e.g. syd. The observation would be that it's a long-haul for all but a handful of attendees. > See you, > > Alejandro, > > > > On 8/15/12, Arturo Servin wrote: >> So "Americas" was actually "North America". >> >> Well, it went the possibility to have one in central or south america, what >> at shame. At least until IETF 98 in March 2017 no IETF down the south of Rio >> Grande. >> >> May I ask the IAOC, what are the impediments to have one IETF in Latin >> America? >> >> Regards, >> as >> >> On 15 Aug 2012, at 14:04, IETF Administrative Director wrote: >> >>> The IAOC is pleased to announce Dallas, TX, USA as the site for IETF 92 >>> from March 22-27, >>> 2015. The IETF was last in Dallas for IETF 65 in 2006. IETF 92 will be >>> at a different venue in >>> the Dallas Arts District. >>> >>> Those who may be interested in hosting or sponsoring this or any future >>> meeting are invited to >>> contact Drew Dvorshak at dvorshak@isoc.org. See Host opportunities >>> below. >>> >>> Ray Pelletier >>> IETF Administrative Director >>> >>> IETF Meeting Schedule: >>> >>> 2012 >>> IETF 85 Atlanta 4 - 9 November Host: North American Cable Industry >>> >>> 2013 >>> IETF 86 Orlando 10 - 15 March (Back-to-back with IEEE 802) Comcast & >>> NBC Universal >>> IETF 87 Berlin 28 July - 2 Aug Host and Sponsors Sought >>> IETF 88 Vancouver 3 - 8 November Host Sought >>> >>> 2014 - Hosts sought >>> IETF 89 London >>> IETF 90 Toronto >>> IETF 91 Honolulu >>> >>> 2015 - Hosts sought >>> IETF 92 Dallas >>> IETF 93 Europe >>> IETF 94 Yokohama WIDE >> From gvandeve@cisco.com Thu Aug 16 01:56:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C17F21F8570 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.369 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.230, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xRNA5bwA33Rr for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD07F21F852A for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 01:56:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=gvandeve@cisco.com; l=1238; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1345107364; x=1346316964; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=mhk2E2J2FCJnOInmciN5zWBnJXeD5ar70neBUj4isxI=; b=cNsG0urx7IQa62xKlhRq0ZFz5cVCwMaiLFPejwWrYr9LohxiGHqodmav Bh0hH8gnsaxXV8/Hyi/FrlO5V0deplLg7mAOTEoQP/W942Wm3PCaZxria tNkdotwIEfiKSK1+wXB4X8ZTvoO8mU8na/Mc2nBYyNsJ9YFEaZ4FHDDky w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EACe1LFCtJV2c/2dsb2JhbABFuiOBB4IgAQEBBBIBJ0sEAgEIEQQBAQsUCQcyFAkIAgQBEggah2uaJaAniwkahV1gA6N7gWaCX4Ff X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,778,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="112149478" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Aug 2012 08:56:03 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com [173.37.183.78]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7G8u2b6016846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:56:02 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x12.cisco.com ([169.254.7.122]) by xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com ([173.37.183.78]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 03:56:01 -0500 From: "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" To: Warren Kumari , Working Group Chairs Subject: RE: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... Thread-Topic: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... Thread-Index: AQHNelVeMhNnitF4y0ub9yEkehI5/JdcJTJw Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:56:01 +0000 Message-ID: <67832B1175062E48926BF3CB27C49B24072867@xmb-aln-x12.cisco.com> References: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> In-Reply-To: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.80.178] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19116.000 x-tm-as-result: No--39.757800-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:56:04 -0000 Yep, I like. G/ -----Original Message----- From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal= f Of Warren Kumari Sent: 14 August 2012 21:45 To: Working Group Chairs Subject: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... Hi there, I (and some other chairs!) are horrendously disorganized, and often start W= GLC by: A: Sending mail along the lines of "This starts a 2 week WGLC on draft-ietf= -foo-bar" and=20 B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data tracker... Two weeks comes and goes... and then another week or two before I suddenly = realize that the WGLC is still on and that consensus needs to judged, etc..= . So, the feature I'm thinking of requesting is: Please add a date field next to the "In WGLC" field, listing when the WGLC = ends, and have the data tracker send email to the chairs alias saying that = the WGLC has ended when it does... Before asking for this, I wanted to get y'all's views -- would this be help= ful? harmful? Yes, I know I could just add a manual entry to my calendar ap= p, but, well.... W --=20 There are only 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand bin= ary arithmetic and those who don't. From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Thu Aug 16 02:35:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE23E21F853F for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.881 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.881 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.282, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KT88hlfS-2fm for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waldorf.isode.com (cl-125.lon-03.gb.sixxs.net [IPv6:2a00:14f0:e000:7c::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B411E21F852A for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:35:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1345109743; d=isode.com; s=selector; i=@isode.com; bh=qeanULkBiaEEnoPrYi9cBqXPw7Sxj4TpW+1WFZRfO5g=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=Whg2MnSHRcRYTQJ5qUViT7IBCSU5xctJAsx0dtNKSno3q7S7uK6NT/Z4xJPmOEjPILruLY rBHmlbgj6ZKURr4ElibIhJX1umPAmF7JTc0xTifplUBmDDfNWif3MdX3XuktYJxNdteFWs okl0HzthCEWb0zmd6nvCqCe1sifCGA0=; Received: from [172.16.1.29] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by waldorf.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:35:43 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: PIPELINING Message-ID: <502CBF2A.8020200@isode.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:36:42 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 To: Working Group Chairs Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... References: <194247F3-1FFF-4BC2-9A65-320B51454BAE@kumari.net> <67832B1175062E48926BF3CB27C49B24072867@xmb-aln-x12.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <67832B1175062E48926BF3CB27C49B24072867@xmb-aln-x12.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:35:54 -0000 On 16/08/2012 09:56, Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve) wrote: > Yep, I like. IESG datatracker supported email notifications after IETF LC ended, etc. for some time now and I always found this useful. So +1 to having the same functionality in the WG chairs datatracker. > G/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari > Sent: 14 August 2012 21:45 > To: Working Group Chairs > Subject: Thoughts on a Datatracker feature request... > > Hi there, > > I (and some other chairs!) are horrendously disorganized, and often start WGLC by: > A: Sending mail along the lines of "This starts a 2 week WGLC on draft-ietf-foo-bar" and > B: actually remembering to click "In WG Last Call" in the data tracker... > > Two weeks comes and goes... and then another week or two before I suddenly realize that the WGLC is still on and that consensus needs to judged, etc... > > So, the feature I'm thinking of requesting is: > Please add a date field next to the "In WGLC" field, listing when the WGLC ends, and have the data tracker send email to the chairs alias saying that the WGLC has ended when it does... > > Before asking for this, I wanted to get y'all's views -- would this be helpful? harmful? Yes, I know I could just add a manual entry to my calendar app, but, well.... > > W > From agenda@ietf.org Thu Aug 16 08:38:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B8D21F85A0; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:38:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.477 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.323, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iJ7+fE5YwhOM; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6621421F8599; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:38:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Agenda To: Working Group Chairs Subject: 85th IETF - Working Group/BOF/IRTF Scheduling X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120816153809.27019.38543.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:38:09 -0700 Cc: irsg@irtf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:38:10 -0000 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 85th IETF =E2=80=93 Atlanta, GA, USA Meeting Dates: November 4-9, 2012 Host: North American Cable Industry ----------------------------------------------------------------- IETF meetings start Monday morning and run through Friday afternoon (13:30). 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Thread-Topic: IETF 92 in Dallas! Thread-Index: AQHNexjl8crCkcCVmkiACyxTrfHTzZdcHm4AgAEBs4A= Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:29 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20120815190455.14702.74089.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <618FF5D7-5351-468C-A08E-4C104B063D16@lacnic.net> In-Reply-To: <618FF5D7-5351-468C-A08E-4C104B063D16@lacnic.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.89.130] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19120.001 x-tm-as-result: No--36.741000-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org Group" , IETF discussion list , "iaoc@ietf.org" , IAB IAB X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:32 -0000 On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: > So "Americas" was actually "North America". >=20 > Well, it went the possibility to have one in central or south america, w= hat at shame. At least until IETF 98 in March 2017 no IETF down the south o= f Rio Grande. >=20 > May I ask the IAOC, what are the impediments to have one IETF in Latin A= merica? >=20 > Regards, > as It was investigated and dropped, having gotten hotel pricing and found it u= nusually high. I'm told that there is further discussion targeting finding = ways to reduce that. We have had similar investigations and decisions in ot= her places. You'll note that the IAOC is routinely tarred and feathered ove= r prices...= From hallam@gmail.com Thu Aug 16 17:48:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B7221F8518; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.924, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hasu6SW-IEy7; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A507221F851C; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbwc20 with SMTP id wc20so5001078obb.31 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:48:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FZmb3AcvqBkR6BSvmONoSf+RgnWS7dcJVHjoyeyFt9Y=; b=lC5McyzhlDDWaY1YtVIeyaA+mzdYRM6rbFNooc/3smIRqiDKl7hnCdPZS+ZVEnziAi GSMJ0x9uQY/CPK4cuXuMGn+VPs+9cmFeh9mGecxIkfnglTEsg1Z2AA16zRHpzH1N+xyB NBqKWzymlFLp5/qWwtg+tz4atCbWNkb1pHbFGmaWzq6/ja0XTEHE1FsfSg0Glz8U0mbH Ujh5MfEe1Eq2s1nX4crQnfEiLGOqGh0tWqnHCSFWORYGRCA6Ae6HeZwFcDto7kStZRjL 4qhiHJKY+vhEXf7c5fPX+1qZc92qvfw77kv6Fh/mm3TGl9cUzWXwDRbHpPCPhmSkWoNv /eQQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.170.138 with SMTP id am10mr2445509oec.115.1345164524959; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.80.10 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:48:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120815190455.14702.74089.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <618FF5D7-5351-468C-A08E-4C104B063D16@lacnic.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:48:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IETF 92 in Dallas! From: Phillip Hallam-Baker To: "Fred Baker (fred)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "iaoc@ietf.org" , "wgchairs@ietf.org Group" , IAB IAB , IETF discussion list , Arturo Servin X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 00:48:47 -0000 It is possible that Brazil will be looking to host various international conferences ahead of the Olympics as 'practice runs'. China did that and so have other countries. Given the Government of Brazil's interest in things Internetish it might be an opening. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: >> So "Americas" was actually "North America". >> >> Well, it went the possibility to have one in central or south amer= ica, what at shame. At least until IETF 98 in March 2017 no IETF down the s= outh of Rio Grande. >> >> May I ask the IAOC, what are the impediments to have one IETF in L= atin America? >> >> Regards, >> as > > It was investigated and dropped, having gotten hotel pricing and found it= unusually high. I'm told that there is further discussion targeting findin= g ways to reduce that. We have had similar investigations and decisions in = other places. You'll note that the IAOC is routinely tarred and feathered o= ver prices... --=20 Website: http://hallambaker.com/ From ietf-secretariat@ietf.org Mon Aug 20 08:21:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB45B21F8687; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.900, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YO0AF-aYkfHa; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D68721F8674; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:21:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: IETF Announcement List Subject: IETF 85 - Registration Now Open X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120820152153.3196.67343.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:21:53 -0700 Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, irsg@irtf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:21:54 -0000 85th IETF Meeting Atlanta, GA, USA November 4-9, 2012 Host: North American Cable Industry Meeting venue: Hilton Atlanta http://www3.hilton.com/en/hotels/georgia/hil= ton-atlanta-ATLAHHH/index.html Register online at: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/85/ 1. Registration 2. Visas & Letters of Invitation 3. Accommodations 4. Companion Program 5. North American Cable Industry 1. Registration A. Early-Bird Registration - USD 650.00 Pay by Friday, 26 October 2= 012 UTC 24:00 B. After Early-Bird cutoff - USD 800.00 C. Full-time Student Registrations - USD 150.00 (with proper ID) D. One Day Pass Registration - USD 350.00 E. Registration Cancellation = Cut-off for registration cancellation is Monday, 29 October 2012 at UTC 24:00. Cancellations are subject to a 10% (ten percent) cancellation fee if requested by that date and time. F. Online Registration and Payment ends Friday, 2 November 2012, 17= 00 local Atlanta time. G. On-site Registration starting Sunday, 4 November 2012 at 1100 lo= cal Atlanta time. 2. Visas & Letters of Invitation: Information on Visiting the United States, please visit: http://travel.state.gov/visa/ After you complete the registration process, you can request an ele= ctronic IETF letter of invitation as well as an electronic Host letter of i= nvitation. The registration system also allows for you to request a hard co= py IETF letter of invitation and a hard copy Host letter of invitation. You= may also request one at a later time by following the link provided in the= confirmation email. Please note that the IETF Letter of Invitation may not be sufficien= t for obtaining a visa to enter the United States. 3. Accommodations The IETF is holding a block of guest rooms at the Hilton Atlanta, t= he meeting venue. Room Rates include in room high-speed Internet access. City and Sta= te Taxes of 15% (applicable taxes are subject to change) are excluded from = the guest room rate. Room rates DO NOT include daily breakfast. 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From wlo@amsl.com Tue Aug 21 09:17:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B73721F879F for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:17:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L5e53wp8fOcr for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B75B21F8796 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666EF12CCB6; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:17:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U00h1gWQukp5; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [12.22.58.170] (unknown [12.22.58.170]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4225512C6C3; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Wanda Lo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-38926216 Subject: Request For IETF 84 WG and BOF Sessions Minutes Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <352EB2AE-7976-44D5-9E74-D236696B92CB@amsl.com> To: WG Chairs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: irsg@irtf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:17:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-38926216 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear WG Chairs and BOF Chairs, =20 I am in the process of compiling the proceedings for IETF 84 and we are = still missing meeting minutes from various sessions. The cutoff for = submissions is Friday, August 31st, and correction submissions cutoff is = September 19, 2012. Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any = presentations from your sessions, at your earliest convenience using the = Meeting Materials Manager found here: https://pub.ietf.org/proceedings/. = Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org or = wlo@amsl.com for manual posting. Groups I still need minutes from are: Application Area -dsii (bof) -eai -scim General Area -rfcform Internet Area -dhc -homenet -lwig -mif -netext -ntp -pcp -tictoc -trill Operations and Management -6renum -dime -eman -grow -ipfix -opsawg -radext Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area -atoca -avtext -bfcpbis -geopriv -rtcweb -straw -xrblock Routing Area -forces -manet -mpls -nvo3 -roll -sidr Security -emu -jose Transport Area -behave -conex -rmcat -tsvarea -tsvwg https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/materials.html If you have any questions, please let me know.=20 =20 Thanks, Wanda =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Wanda Lo / Project Manager Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117=20 Fremont, California 94538 / USA=20 T: +1.510.492.4082 F: +1.510.492.4001=20 www.ietf.org =20 -- Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com --Apple-Mail-1-38926216 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dear WG Chairs and = BOF Chairs,
I am in the process of = compiling the proceedings for IETF 84 and we are still missing meeting = minutes from various sessions. The cutoff for submissions = is Friday, = August 31st, and correction submissions = cutoff is September 19, 2012.  Please upload meeting = minutes, as well as any presentations from your sessions, at your = earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager found = here: https://pub.ietf.org/proceedings/ or wlo@amsl.com

Application Area
-dsii (bof)
-eai
-scim
-rfcform
-dhc
-lwig
-mif
-netext
-pcp
-tictoc
-trill
-6renum
-dime
-grow
-ipfix
-opsawg
-atoca
-avtext
-bfcpbis
-straw
-xrblock

Routing = Area
-forces
-manet
-mpls
-roll
-sidr

Security
-emu
-jose
-behave
-rmcat
-tsvarea
-tsvwg



=
If you have any questions, please let me know. 



Internet Engineering Task Force = (IETF)
48377 Fremont Blvd., = Ste. 117 
Fremont, California 94538 / USA 
T: = +1.510.492.4082
F: +1.510.492.4001 
www.ietf.org
=
 
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= --Apple-Mail-1-38926216-- From leifj@sunet.se Tue Aug 21 09:42:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED43521F877B for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:42:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.932 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.932 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.333, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nMFETaiTNY1A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from backup-server.nordu.net (backup-server.nordu.net [IPv6:2001:948:4:1::66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DC621F86EC for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] (ua-83-227-179-169.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [83.227.179.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by backup-server.nordu.net (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7LGgjPh005291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:42:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5033BA85.5080802@sunet.se> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:42:45 +0200 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: Request For IETF 84 WG and BOF Sessions Minutes References: <352EB2AE-7976-44D5-9E74-D236696B92CB@amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <352EB2AE-7976-44D5-9E74-D236696B92CB@amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:42:52 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Groups I still need minutes from are: > -scim sorry - done! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAzuoQACgkQ8Jx8FtbMZnf84gCeJWBtu9GmVsdtWBvyzK2Avmgn ZigAn2tOLBVeqXRKQIFn2izxWuph+9zP =VsIW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----