Subject: Re: [16NG] approving the ps-goals document

From: gabriel montenegro <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:40:07 -0800 (PST)

I did change the section 3 title before ver 4 came out, so this editor note is not needed:

  In Section 7, please change as follows:

  OLD:
    the section 4, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2006 MAC layer"
  NEW:
    the section 3, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer"

Also, there seems to be some confusion regarding section numbers (7, 4, 3) in the
above editor note. Suggest deleting it as it's already taken care of:

    http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-16ng-ps-goals-04#section-3

As for the MIB, I have a couple of observations. There is already plenty of MIB work going on in 802.16.
My suggestion is to liaise with 802.16 in order to have 16ng review and comment on those (bringing in 
the proper MIB doctor support). Upon rechartering, we can decide if the work can continue to live in 802.16.
After all, the IETF has lately pushed MIB work to the owners of underlying technologies, so some MIBs have
gone back to IEEE. 

Because of this, I'd reword the management goal as:

    Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the
    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
    over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.

Below, I include some extracts from the table of contents in a recent (Mar 2007) 802.16 revision draft.

-gabriel

9.3 Management information base............................................................................................... 1062
9.3.1 Simple network management protocol ...................................................................... 1063
9.3.2 Relationship with interface MIB................................................................................ 1063
9.3.2.1 MIB-2 integration ...................................................................................... 1063
9.3.2.2 Usage of MIB-II tables .............................................................................. 1063
9.3.2.3 Events and traps ......................................................................................... 1065
9.3.3 wmanDevMib MIB Subtree....................................................................................... 1065

13. IEEE 802.16 MIB structure for SNMP.......................................................................................... 1267
13.1 wmanIfMib ............................................................................................................................ 1267
13.1.1 wmanIfBsObjects....................................................................................................... 1267
13.1.1.1 wmanIfBsPacketCs.................................................................................... 1267
13.1.1.2 wmanIfBsCps............................................................................................. 1268
13.1.1.3 wmanIfBsPkmObjects ............................................................................... 1270
13.1.1.4 wmanIfBsNotification ............................................................................... 1270
13.1.1.5 wmanIfBsPhy............................................................................................. 1271
13.1.2 wmanIfSsObjects ....................................................................................................... 1273
13.1.2.1 wmanIfSsCps............................................................................................. 1273
13.1.2.2 wmanIfSsPkmObjects................................................................................ 1273
13.1.2.3 wmanIfSsNotification................................................................................ 1274
13.1.2.4 wmanIfSsPhy ............................................................................................. 1274
13.1.3 wmanIfCommonObjects............................................................................................ 1275
13.1.3.1 wmanIfCmnPacketCs ................................................................................ 1275
13.1.3.2 wmanIfCmnCps......................................................................................... 1276
13.1.3.3 wmanIfCmnPkmObjects............................................................................ 1276
13.2 wmanDevMib ........................................................................................................................ 1277
13.2.1 wmanDevBsObjects................................................................................................... 1277
13.2.1.1 wmanDevBsSoftwareUpgradeTable ......................................................... 1277
13.2.1.2 wmanDevBsNotification ........................................................................... 1277
13.2.2 wmanDevSsObjects ................................................................................................... 1277
13.2.2.1 wmanDevSsConfigFileEncodingTable ..................................................... 1277
13.2.2.2 wmanDevSsNotification............................................................................ 1278
13.2.3 wmanDevCommonObjects........................................................................................ 1278
13.2.3.1 wmanDevCmnEventLog ........................................................................... 1278
13.2.3.2 wmanDevCmnSnmpAgent ........................................................................ 1279
13.2.3.3 wmanDevCmnDeviceConfig..................................................................... 1279
13.3 ASN.1 Definitions of 802.16 MIB for SNMP....................................................................... 1279
13.3.1 wmanIfMib ................................................................................................................ 1279
13.3.2 wmanDevMib ............................................................................................................ 1479

----- Original Message ----
From: Jari Arkko <[email-masked]>
To: Daniel Park <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: [16NG] approving the ps-goals document

Thanks. I found one of these expressions in the abstract, changed as
follows:

  In the Abstract, please change "running the IETF IP protocols
  over IEEE 802.16" to "running IP over 802.16".

Was there more to change?

Jari

Daniel Park kirjoitti:
> One more changes here is:
>
> There are two "IETF IP protocols" in this document. Obviously, IP
> stands for Internet Protocol. It seems to be a weird expression.
> Suggestion is "IETF protocols or IETF IP"...but I don't have a strong
> opinion on that if IETF folks are ok for this expression as usual.
>
>
> Daniel Park
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2007 5:53 PM, Jari Arkko <[email-masked]> wrote:
>   
>> With revision -04, we are close to approving this draft in the IESG.
>> Here are the current RFC Editor notes that we'd need to resolve
>> remaining Comments and Discusses. The only substantive change is
 adding
>> a manageability goal that Dan Romascanu asked for in his Discuss.
 Let me
>> know in the next day or two if there's anything alarming in these
 changes.
>>
>> ----
>>
>>  In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to
>>  "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence
>>  of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".
>>
>>  Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"
>>  to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".
>>
>>  In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to
>>  "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".
>>
>>  In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle
>>  [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode
>>  [IEEE802.16e]".
>>
>>  In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the
>>  sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up SSs
>>  which are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".
>>
>>  In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:
>>
>>    Goal #6. Define management requirements and specifically the
>>    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
>>    over 802.16.
>>
>>  In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".
>>
>>  In Section 7, please change as follows:
>>
>>  OLD:
>>    the section 4, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2006 MAC layer"
>>  NEW:
>>    the section 3, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer"
>>
>>
>>
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From: Jari Arkko <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:46:19 +0200

> I did change the section 3 title before ver 4 came out, so this editor

Ah. But the note is about changing the ack for Dave's work on the
overview section. However, you've already changed it... but as I look at
-04, there's still an incorrect section pointer in the ack. It should
say Section 3, not Section 4.

> After all, the IETF has lately pushed MIB work to the owners of
> underlying technologies, so some MIBs have
> gone back to IEEE.
>
Right. Thanks for this observation.

Here's the updated RFC Editor notes:

  In Section 8, please change as follows:

  OLD:
    section 4
  NEW:
    section 3