Subject: RE: [Asrg] draft-irtf-asrg-bcp-blacklists-00

From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:59:07 -0700

Barry,

	I still don't know whether you are refering to the spammers or the
blacklists.

	Delphic utterances may have been mistaken for profundity by the
ancient greeks but in this forum clarity is more highly valued.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Shein [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:10 PM
> To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> Cc: 'Barry Shein'; Walter Dnes; ASRG list
> Subject: RE: [Asrg] draft-irtf-asrg-bcp-blacklists-00
> 
> 
> 
> Well, Phillip, you're fine until you mistake moral confusion for moral
> superiority; tolerating the intolerant is not noble.
> 
> 
> 
> On May 4, 2004 at 13:35 [email-masked] (Hallam-Baker, 
> Phillip) wrote:
>  > 
>  > > Looking at the BCP draft makes me feel like I'm watching 
> a bunch of
>  > > cub scouts propose how to deal with Al Qaeda.
>  > 
>  > It is not clear to me whether you mean that the cub scouts are
>  > the blacklists and the spammers Al Qaeda or the cub scouts are
>  > the ASRG and the blacklists are Al Qaeda. Hyperbole asside,
>  > either could be justified.
>  > 
>  > One of the most depressing things about the current situation 
>  > is the posturing of people who think that their macho attitudes 
>  > make them hawks.
>  > 
>  > The point about 'collateral damage' is not that it serves any
>  > strategic purpose, it does not, all it does is to feed the egos
>  > of the people who engage in it. It fails in the spam context
>  > for the same reason that it failled in the military context.
>  > Collateral damage forces parties who are natural allies to treat
>  > you as the enemy.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > There is a utility in certain very narrowly tailored blacklists.
>  > But they should never attempt to list any address for any other 
>  > reason than it is a source of spam.
>  > 
>  > 		Phill 
> 
> -- 
>         -Barry Shein
> 
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