From nobody Mon Jun 1 14:30:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A1D1A0046 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:30:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YCRUqYv1LrU0 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11771A005A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-azure.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.255.18]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196381206C1; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 17:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg0.research.att.com [135.207.240.40]) by mail-azure.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C86E03E2; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 17:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 17:30:10 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Barry Constantine , "bmwg@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 17:30:09 -0400 Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-morton-bmwg-virtual-net-03 Thread-Index: AdBrrR4o20wTocK3SmS2JoJNH9+mYQxAUvzg Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D02EB7B23F4@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D02EB7B23F4NJFPSRVEXG0re_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bmwg] Comments on draft-morton-bmwg-virtual-net-03 X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:30:32 -0000 --_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D02EB7B23F4NJFPSRVEXG0re_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry, Thanks for your comments and suggestions on the draft. I have a few responses below, but otherwise there will be a revised draft available shortly. You wrote: =D8 Section 2, paragraph 2. I think it is also essential to benchmark a "= bare metal" software network function so that the performance of a physical= device, software version on bare metal OS, and software version in VM can = be compared [ACM] There may be more than one definition of "bare metal", but I tend to use th= e one from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor when referring to virtualization. For networking devices with special HW, proprietary OS and dedicated SW, I've simply referred to them as Physical Network Functions (PNF) and avoided using the term "bare metal" in their context. Section 3.3, item #4 =D8 I am not sure if this is the spirit of this bullet, but what I have ob= served in VM based applications is the performance degradation when a VM is= rotated as others are added. I think it will be important to define a tes= t which benchmarks the performance of say a switch under RFC 2544 condition= s as new VMs are added by the Hypervisor. This has to do with concurrency = and capacity testing for which I have comments a few points below Yes, this is exactly what I was talking about, that there is a new genre of= benchmarking during VNF Lifecycle operations which BMWG has approached for PNFs, most re= cently in the ISSU draft (and there were some related efforts/drafts about 10 years a= go, too). In a future where VNF and service chain deployment/termination is dynamic t= o meet changing demands within a day or smaller time interval, performance implica= tions must be understood. I've also tried something with the 3x3 matrix to address the topic of concurrency, but you'll have to wait for the draft to see it. regards, and thanks for your support, Al From: bmwg [mailto:bmwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Barry Constantine Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 8:54 AM To: bmwg@ietf.org Subject: [bmwg] Comments on draft-morton-bmwg-virtual-net-03 Hi Al, I read the draft in detail and first off, want to state that I fully suppor= t this work in BMWG. Here are my first round of comments: 1. Section 2, paragraph 2. I think it is also essential to benchmark a "ba= re metal" software network function so that the performance of a physcial d= evice, software version on bare metal OS, and software version in VM can be= compared 2. Section 3.2. - It would be good to expand what is meant by Infrastructure Virtual Networ= k. Since the VM running on Hypervisor is a VNF, this was not clear - "number of VNF components in the service function chain" --> Should thi= s be more of a defintion of the service function chain itself, from which t= he number of components becomes apparent? Service function chain would the= n be clearer with an example as well 3. Section 3.3, item #4 I am not sure if this is the spirit of this bullet, but what I have observe= d in VM based applications is the performance degradation when a VM is rota= ted as others are added. I think it will be important to define a test whi= ch benchmarks the performance of say a switch under RFC 2544 conditions as = new VMs are added by the Hypervisor. This has to do with concurrency and c= apacity testing for which I have comments a few points below 4. Section 3.4, I think it should be recommended that physical hardware ba= sed tester should be used as the first choice for the test traffic device a= nd that a separate tester VNF can be used but with stronger language that t= his then requires that the tester VNF function be independently benchmarked= against it's physical counterpart 5. Section 4.1, same as comment #1, add bare metal OS test of software netw= ork function 6. Section 4.2, paragraph 1. I think an example of a performance results f= rom internal OS would help here. Did you have in mind network counters of = dropped packets, etc? 7. Section 4.4. This is my first exposure to the 3 x 3 matrix and I this i= s interesting. I think what is needed is a section that describes a techni= que to document the concurrency of VNFs within a hardware platform and the = performance / breaking points. An example would be a firewall VNF benchmarked as a single instance and the= n how many Firewall VNF instances can exist concurrently within the given h= ardware platform before performance starts to degrade. Then we would get into VNF functions A,B,C and how many of each can exist c= oncurrently within a platform, so there might be a reporting matrix that sh= ows functions A, B, C as columns and rows which show the various combinatio= ns of each that can be hosted with 100% performance for each combination (I= hope this makes sense as this might be complicated to explain in an email)= . Again, fully support this work and hope that these comments are helpful. Regards, Barry --_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D02EB7B23F4NJFPSRVEXG0re_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Barry,=

 

Th= anks for your comments and suggestions on the draft.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>I have a few responses below, but otherwise there will=

be a revised draft available shortly.

 

You wrote:

=D8  = Section 2, paragraph 2.=A0 I think it is also essential= to benchmark a "bare metal" software network function so that th= e performance of a physical device, software version on bare metal OS, and = software version in VM can be compared

There may be more than one de= finition of “bare metal”, but I tend to use the

one from Wikipedia=A0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor

when referring to virtualization.=A0 For netwo= rking devices with special HW,

propri= etary OS and dedicated SW, I’ve simply referred to them as

Physical Network Functions (PNF) and avoided u= sing the term “bare metal”

 

Section 3.3, item #4

=D8  = I am not sure if this is the spirit of this bullet, but= what I have observed in VM based applications is the performance degradati= on when a VM is rotated as others are added.=A0 I think it will be importan= t to define a test which benchmarks the performance of say a switch under R= FC 2544 conditions as new VMs are added by the Hypervisor.=A0 This has to d= o with concurrency and capacity testing for which I have comments a few poi= nts below

 

Yes, this is exactly what I was talking about, that there= is a new genre of benchmarking

<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>durin= g VNF Lifecycle operations which BMWG has approached for PNFs, most recentl= y in

the ISSU draft (and there were = some related efforts/drafts about 10 years ago, too).

=

In a future where VNF and service chain deployment/termina= tion is dynamic to meet

changing dema= nds within a day or smaller time interval, performance implications

must be understood.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

I’ve als= o tried something with the 3x3 matrix to address the

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>topic of concurrency, but you’ll have to wait for the= draft to see it.

 

regards, and thanks for your support,<= /span>

Al

&n= bsp;

 

 

F= rom: bmwg [mailto:bmwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Barry Const= antine
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 8:54 AM
To: bmwg@i= etf.org
Subject: [bmwg] Comments on draft-morton-bmwg-virtual-net= -03

 =

Hi Al,

 

I read the draft in detail and first off, want t= o state that I fully support this work in BMWG.

=

 

Here are my first round of comments:

 

1. Section 2, paragraph 2.  I think it= is also essential to benchmark a "bare metal" software network f= unction so that the performance of a physcial device, software version= on bare metal OS, and software version in VM can be compared

 

2. Section 3.2.

 

- It would be good to expand what is meant by Infrastru= cture Virtual Network.  Since the VM running on Hypervisor i= s a VNF, this was not clear

 

-= "number of VNF components in the service function chain"  -= ->  Should this be more of a defintion of the service function chai= n itself, from which the number of components becomes apparent?  Servi= ce function chain would then be clearer with an example as well<= /span>

 

<= /div>

3. Section 3.3, item #4

 

=

I am not sure if this is the spirit of this b= ullet, but what I have observed in VM based applications is the performance= degradation when a VM is rotated as others are added.  I think it wil= l be important to define a test which benchmarks the performance of say a s= witch under RFC 2544 conditions as new VMs are added by the Hypervisor.&nbs= p; This has to do with concurrency and capacity testing for which I have co= mments a few points below

 

4. = Section 3.4,  I think it should be recommended that physical hardware = based tester should be used as the first choice for the test traffic device= and that a separate tester VNF can be used but with stronger language that= this then requires that the tester VNF function be independently benchmark= ed against it's physical counterpart

 

5. Section 4.1, same as comment #1, add bare metal OS test of softw= are network function

<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blac= k'> 

6. Sect= ion 4.2, paragraph 1.  I think an example of a performance results fro= m internal OS would help here.  Did you have in mind network counters = of dropped packets, etc?

 

7. S= ection 4.4.  This is my first exposure to the 3 x 3 matrix and I this = is interesting.  I think what is needed is a section that describes a = technique to document the concurrency of VNFs within a hardware platform an= d the performance / breaking points.

 

An example would be a firewall VNF benchmarked as a single instance= and then how many Firewall VNF instances can exist concurrently within the= given hardware platform before performance starts to degrade.

 

Then we would get into VNF functions A,B,= C and how many of each can exist concurrently within a platform, so there m= ight be a reporting matrix that shows functions A, B, C as columns and rows= which show the various combinations of each that can be hosted with 100% p= erformance for each combination (I hope this makes sense as this = might be complicated to explain in an email).

 

Again, fully support this work and hope that these comment= s are helpful.

&nb= sp;

Regards,<= /o:p>

Barry=

 

<= div>

 

=
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Tue, 2 Jun 2015 07:03:49 -0500 From: "Fernando Calabria (fcalabri)" To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , "bmwg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [bmwg] FW: Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01 Thread-Index: AQHQnSwuFRB+KPJBjUaSBX7vkyE4Yg== Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:03:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150602005444.5985.57112.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D02EB7B243F@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D02EB7B243F@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.1.150515 x-originating-ip: [10.117.99.249] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5A30C00A996D86418E5711412F717999@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bmwg] FW: Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01 X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 12:03:51 -0000 Thanks a lot Al !=20 -Fer On 6/2/15, 7:53 AM, "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" wrote: >Authors have cleared all outstanding issues raised in shepherd's review. > >next step... > >-----Original Message----- >From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) >Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 8:55 PM >To: joelja@gmail.com >Cc: bmwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org; iesg-secretary@ietf.org; MORTON, ALFRED C >(AL) >Subject: Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01 > >Al Morton has requested publication of draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01 as >Informational on behalf of the BMWG working group. > >Please verify the document's state at >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth/ > >_______________________________________________ >bmwg mailing list >bmwg@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bmwg From nobody Tue Jun 2 15:49:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768DC1B31AF; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 15:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 65-yU2VqYd58; 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This draft is a work item of the Benchmarking Methodology Working Group of the IETF. Title : Traffic Management Benchmarking Authors : Barry Constantine Ram Krishnan Filename : draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-05.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2015-06-02 Abstract: This framework describes a practical methodology for benchmarking the traffic management capabilities of networking devices (i.e. policing, shaping, etc.). The goal is to provide a repeatable test method that objectively compares performance of the device's traffic management capabilities and to specify the means to benchmark traffic management with representative application traffic. 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[209.6.114.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p36sm1401483qkp.11.2015.06.02.15.58.11 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Jun 2015 15:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathleen Moriarty X-Google-Original-From: Kathleen Moriarty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D257) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 18:58:13 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <635B2D9A-A1B8-4638-8DC2-06C8DB95B743@gmail.com> References: <20150527185520.14136.62316.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Barry Constantine Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management.shepherd@ietf.org" , "bmwg-chairs@ietf.org" , "acmorton@att.com" , "draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management.ad@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management@ietf.org" , "bmwg@ietf.org" , The IESG Subject: Re: [bmwg] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 22:58:18 -0000 Thank you, Barry! Best regards, Kathleen=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 2, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Barry Constantine = wrote: >=20 > Hello Kathleen, >=20 > Thank you or reviewing the draft and raising the good point for considerat= ion of tcpcrypt. >=20 > We incorporated revisions into the new draft revision 05 which address thi= s consideration. >=20 > Thank you, > Barry and Ramki >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:55 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management.shepherd@ietf.org; bmwg-chairs@ietf= .org; acmorton@att.com; draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management.ad@ietf.org; draf= t-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management@ietf.org; bmwg@ietf.org > Subject: Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-manag= ement-04: (with COMMENT) >=20 > Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-04: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all emai= l addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Thanks for your work on this draft. I just have one question that was rai= sed in the SecDir review: >=20 > Was there any thought to how the tcpinc efforts might affect the ability t= o gather measurements? > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg05726.html >=20 > It doesn't have an impact on this draft yet, but could in the future. >=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Jun 2 17:06:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F851B321A; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 17:06:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pZOqKGqWVULh; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 17:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207FE1B2FE8; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 17:06:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150603000618.3571.62096.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 17:06:18 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bmwg@ietf.org Subject: [bmwg] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bmwg-virtual-net-00.txt X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 00:06:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Benchmarking Methodology Working Group of the IETF. Title : Considerations for Benchmarking Virtual Network Functions and Their Infrastructure Author : Al Morton Filename : draft-ietf-bmwg-virtual-net-00.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2015-06-02 Abstract: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group has traditionally conducted laboratory characterization of dedicated physical implementations of internetworking functions. This memo investigates additional considerations when network functions are virtualized and performed in commodity off-the-shelf hardware. Version NOTES: Addressed Barry Constantine's comments throughout the draft, see: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/bmwg/current/msg03167.html AND, comments from the extended discussion during IETF-92 BMWG session: The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-virtual-net/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-virtual-net-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jun 4 06:36:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460731B3554; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 06:36:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T5YAgeDm6lYd; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 06:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EC121A879B; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 06:29:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=10020; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1433424554; x=1434634154; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to; bh=KajDenc9qRrSn9JJ4tBm9UoYJ5cKSSMfxNhorG9NJyw=; b=hmYCYKuqH6a6oW0OfY1JASBgEQ33NA9jKKvTsJ7Lz699o274sozN2Z8T kG+0nQ7kyndsKF0cVdWaL/UFtTI9jJtEP6rPqwEJhLDTvU7RIBna9sX8e nP1laFfS63vV7HIk5r4ekz0GMF+I/JAV5f3jkXMW/xKE/s+rNbpqYZNqY U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AiBQD6UXBV/5tdJa1bgxBUXoMeswmKAYV3AoE3TAEBAQEBAYELhCIBAQEDASNVAQUHBAsRBAEBChYIAwICCQMCAQIBNAkIBgEMAQUCAQGIIQgNtzajbwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReLQ4FPglQRAVEHBoJigUUFhmyFXIsOhmiBLz6DN4JeIY8tJGGBWYFdHjEBgQuBOwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,552,1427760000"; d="scan'208,217";a="422182675" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2015 13:29:13 +0000 Received: from [10.24.205.47] ([10.24.205.47]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t54DTAgP007170; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 13:29:11 GMT Message-ID: <557052A0.8000101@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 06:29:04 -0700 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Constantine , The IESG References: <20150526172738.20188.84599.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040003080106070100090603" Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management.shepherd@ietf.org" , "bmwg-chairs@ietf.org" , "acmorton@att.com" , "draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management.ad@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management@ietf.org" , "bmwg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bmwg] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 13:36:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040003080106070100090603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Barry for addressing my comments. A minor editorial change with the following sentence WebRTC, SS7 signaling, and 3gpp are examples of SCTP protocols that could be modeled with this framework to benchmark SCTP's effect on traffic management performance. They use SCTP but are not SCTP Regards, Benoit > Hello Benoit, > > Thank you for providing comments on the draft, specifically the references to aqm work, applicability to SCTP, etc. > > They were all meaningful and we incorporated them into the -05 version that was just posted > > Thank you, > Barry and Ramki > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:28 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management.shepherd@ietf.org; bmwg-chairs@ietf.org; acmorton@att.com; draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management.ad@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management@ietf.org; bmwg@ietf.org > Subject: Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-04: (with COMMENT) > > Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-04: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section 6.2.1 Queue/Scheduler Individual Tests Overview I understand that is not finished work, but do we need to say a few words about codel and pie http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-aqm-pie/ and http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-aqm-codel/ > > - More of a transport AD question: > "To this end, the stateful tests will use TCP test patterns to emulate applications." > Do we need to emulate any applications on SCTP test patterns? > Asking the transport ADs about which deployed protocols use SCTP, their answer was: WebRTC, SS7 signalling in 3gpp mobile networks. > > > Editorial: > > - Section 1: > > Specifically, this framework defines the methods to characterize > the capacity of the following traffic management features in network > devices; classification, policing, queuing / scheduling, and > traffic shaping. > > Section 1.2 > > This testing framework describes the tests and metrics for each of > the following traffic management functions: > - Policing > - Queuing / Scheduling > - Shaping > > I would add classification to that list. > > - Section 1.2 > "Note the NDE SHOULD be used in "full pipe" delay mode." > > I don't know what "full pipe" delay mode is > > - OLD: > It is not within scope of this of this framework to specify > NEW: > It is not within scope of this framework to specify > > > > - General observation. This is one of these documents where too many acronyms make it difficult to read (and I have some QoS background) > Ex: "The tests will verify that the network device can handle the CIR with CBS and the EIR with EBS > Note: I don't expect any action on this remark > > - Section 6: > > Each test SHOULD compare the network device's internal statistics > (available via command line management interface, SNMP, etc.) to the > measured metrics defined in section 4. > > FYI. Most MIB interface/QoS counters are not updated real-time in routers. 10 sec for interface stats is common. > So no real-time monitoring is possible. > > - two instances of tester*: not sure what they mean > configure the tester* to generate a profile of emulated of an application traffic mixture > > --------------040003080106070100090603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Thanks Barry for addressing my comments.

A minor editorial change with the following sentence
   WebRTC, SS7 signaling, and 3gpp are
   examples of SCTP protocols that could be modeled with this
   framework to benchmark SCTP's effect on traffic management
   performance.
They use SCTP but are not SCTP


Regards, Benoit

 

Hello Benoit,

Thank you for providing comments on the draft, specifically the references to aqm work, applicability to SCTP, etc.

They were all meaningful and we incorporated them into the -05 version that was just posted

Thank you,
Barry and Ramki


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Section 6.2.1 Queue/Scheduler Individual Tests Overview I understand that is not finished work, but do we need to say a few words about codel and pie http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-aqm-pie/ and http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-aqm-codel/

- More of a transport AD question:
"To this end, the stateful tests will use TCP test patterns to emulate applications."
Do we need to emulate any applications on SCTP test patterns?
Asking the transport ADs about which deployed protocols use SCTP, their answer was: WebRTC, SS7 signalling in 3gpp mobile networks.


Editorial:

- Section 1:

   Specifically, this framework defines the methods to characterize
   the capacity of the following traffic management features in network
   devices; classification, policing, queuing / scheduling, and
   traffic shaping.

Section 1.2

   This testing framework describes the tests and metrics for each of
   the following traffic management functions:
   - Policing
   - Queuing / Scheduling
   - Shaping

I would add classification to that list.

-  Section 1.2
    "Note the NDE SHOULD be used in "full pipe" delay mode."

I don't know what "full pipe" delay mode is

- OLD:
It is not within scope of this of this framework to specify
NEW:
It is not within scope of this framework to specify



- General observation. This is one of these documents where too many acronyms make it difficult to read (and I have some QoS background)
Ex: "The tests will verify that the network device can handle the CIR with CBS and the EIR with EBS
Note: I don't expect any action on this remark

- Section 6:

   Each test SHOULD compare the network device's internal statistics
   (available via command line management interface, SNMP, etc.) to the
   measured metrics defined in section 4. 

FYI. Most MIB interface/QoS counters are not updated real-time in routers. 10 sec for interface stats is common.
So no real-time monitoring is possible.

- two instances of tester*: not sure what they mean
    configure the tester* to generate a profile of emulated of an application traffic mixture

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This draft is a work item of the Benchmarking Methodology Working Group of the IETF. Title : Traffic Management Benchmarking Authors : Barry Constantine Ram(Ramki) Krishnan Filename : draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-06.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2015-06-09 Abstract: This framework describes a practical methodology for benchmarking the traffic management capabilities of networking devices (i.e. policing, shaping, etc.). The goal is to provide a repeatable test method that objectively compares performance of the device's traffic management capabilities and to specify the means to benchmark traffic management with representative application traffic. 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tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MZOSphw8aQX7; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1C31A1A1E; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20150618154652.16916.23508.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:46:52 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bmwg@ietf.org Subject: [bmwg] Last Call: (ISSU Benchmarking Methodology) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:46:54 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Benchmarking Methodology WG (bmwg) to consider the following document: - 'ISSU Benchmarking Methodology' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-07-02. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Modern forwarding devices attempt to minimize any control and data plane disruptions while performing planned software changes, by implementing a technique commonly known as In Service Software Upgrade (ISSU) This document specifies a set of common methodologies and procedures designed to characterize the overall behavior of a Device Under Test (DUT), subject to an ISSU event. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Thu Jun 18 11:06:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAF01B2B74; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:06:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mSpPjOutNBTw; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F44C1B2B5A; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:06:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150618180602.23383.60541.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:06:02 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bmwg@ietf.org Subject: [bmwg] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bmwg-dcbench-terminology-00.txt X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:06:03 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Benchmarking Methodology Working Group of the IETF. Title : Data Center Benchmarking Terminology Authors : Lucien Avramov Jacob Rapp Filename : draft-ietf-bmwg-dcbench-terminology-00.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2015-06-18 Abstract: The purpose of this informational document is to establish definitions, discussion and measurement techniques for data center benchmarking. Also, it is to introduce new terminologies applicable to data center performance evaluations. The purpose of this document is not to define the test methodology, but rather establish the important concepts when one is interested in benchmarking network equipment in the data center. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-dcbench-terminology/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-dcbench-terminology-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jun 18 11:40:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE64D1B3352; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:40:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IyKfygth9rna; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDA21B3349; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:40:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150618184014.5946.88315.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:40:14 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bmwg@ietf.org Subject: [bmwg] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bmwg-dcbench-methodology-00.txt X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:40:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Benchmarking Methodology Working Group of the IETF. Title : Data Center Benchmarking Methodology Authors : Lucien Avramov Jacob Rapp Filename : draft-ietf-bmwg-dcbench-methodology-00.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2015-06-18 Abstract: The purpose of this informational document is to establish test and evaluation methodology and measurement techniques for physical network equipment in the data center. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-dcbench-methodology/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-dcbench-methodology-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jun 22 12:25:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C271A89C5 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:25:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ypVWe0EApkCW for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firefly.encrypted.net (firefly.encrypted.net [72.13.81.186]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D081A89B1 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firefly.encrypted.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by firefly.encrypted.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5096133D38 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:25:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at encrypted.net Received: from firefly.encrypted.net ([127.0.0.1]) by firefly.encrypted.net (firefly.encrypted.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id phQLCkQMDYye for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from divinaair.global.tektronix.net (66-7-254-66.static-ip.telepacific.net [66.7.254.66]) by firefly.encrypted.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ADE1433C55 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Banks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:25:49 -0700 To: bmwg@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Subject: [bmwg] IETF93 BMWG Session Scheduled and Call for Presentations X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 19:25:51 -0000 Hello, A schedule/agenda has been set for IETF 93, and currently, BMWG = is set to meet Thursday afternoon, from 1-3pm. To that end, if you have = something you'd like to present, an update, new work proposals, etc. = please drop Al and I a note. For those of you updating drafts, note, = July 6th is the cut off date for new submissions. Please plan to have = your work in by then :) Thanks Sarah & Al= From nobody Mon Jun 22 15:17:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1D41B29DF; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 15:17:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3XRX5rhFgHDp; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 15:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34A41B29E2; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 15:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150622221659.18415.99099.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 15:16:59 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bmwg chair , bmwg mailing list , RFC Editor Subject: [bmwg] Document Action: 'Traffic Management Benchmarking' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-06.txt) X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 22:17:03 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Traffic Management Benchmarking' (draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-06.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Benchmarking Methodology Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Benoit Claise and Joel Jaeggli. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management/ Technical Summary This memo specifies the methodology for benchmarking the traffic management capabilities of networking devices (i.e. policing, shaping, etc.). One challenge has been to provide a repeatable test method that objectively compares performance of the device's traffic management capabilities and to specify the means to benchmark traffic management with representative traffic, including stateless and statefull traffic. The consensus is that the challenge has been met, and its time to gain more experience with the procedures as specified. Working Group Summary There has been fairly continuous progress during development. The most lively discussions were prompted by presentation of actual test results using the draft methods, which require significant time investment but are well- worth the result. These drafts serve a useful purpose for the industry. Document Quality As far as expert reviews, there was substantial review from several industry professionals, most notably one a CCNP, one a professional telecom industry consultant, and several from a vendor (Brocade). Personnel Al Morton is Shepherd, Joel Jaeggli is AD. From nobody Thu Jun 25 09:23:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bmwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990231A8A7E for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qf4ih11Q8g4Y for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA29D1A8A3E for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-azure.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.255.18]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006C3123084; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg0.research.att.com [135.207.240.40]) by mail-azure.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567F7E2E57; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:23:38 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: "bmwg@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:23:38 -0400 Thread-Topic: IRTF & ISOC Workshop on Research and Applications of Internet Measurements (RAIM) in Cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM Thread-Index: AQHQr2HgWmB2KnwE4kGb41I5r+JC4J29ZqgA Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D0662C6E015@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <10682692-5C3B-44AA-BD13-8B7CB5B281CB@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <10682692-5C3B-44AA-BD13-8B7CB5B281CB@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D0662C6E015NJFPSRVEXG0re_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Eggert, Lars \(lars@netapp.com\)" Subject: [bmwg] FW: IRTF & ISOC Workshop on Research and Applications of Internet Measurements (RAIM) in Cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Benchmarking Methodology Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:23:44 -0000 --_002_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D0662C6E015NJFPSRVEXG0re_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BMWG, This seems like an outstanding opportunity to "show-up early and get some work done" as many=20 already do (e.g., Hackathon(s)).=20 Please consider participating!=20 (note that this event is prior to IETF-94 -- Yokohama) Al bmwg co-chair -----Original Message----- From: WGChairs [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eggert, Lars Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:14 PM To: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Fwd: IRTF & ISOC Workshop on Research and Applications of Internet= Measurements (RAIM) in Cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM If you chair a WG that is related to benchmarking or measurements, I'd like= to ask that you announce the upcoming workshop before Yokohama to your par= ticipants. Thanks, Lars PS: You are of course free to announce or share this otherwise as you see f= it. Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: "Eggert, Lars" > Subject: [IRTF-Announce] IRTF & ISOC Workshop on Research and Application= s of Internet Measurements (RAIM) in Cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM > Date: June 24, 2015 at 14:41:15 PDT > To: "irtf-announce@irtf.org" , "irtf-discuss@irtf= .org" >=20 > Hi, >=20 > to increase collaboration between industry and academia in the field of n= etworking, the Internet Research Task Force (IRTF) and the Internet Society= (ISOC) in cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM are organizing a workshop on Resear= ch and Applications of Internet Measurements (RAIM), scheduled for the Satu= rday in between the 2015 ACM SIGCOMM Internet Measurement Conference (IMC) = in Tokyo and the 94th Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) meeting in Yok= ohama. >=20 > Submission deadline: Friday, August 7, 2015 > Notifications: Friday, August 28, 2015 > Workshop date: Saturday, October 31, 2015 >=20 > Details and submission instructions at https://irtf.org/raim-2015 >=20 > Lars --_002_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D0662C6E015NJFPSRVEXG0re_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc"; size=169; creation-date="Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:23:37 GMT"; modification-date="Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:23:37 GMT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0NCg0KaUVZRUFSRUNBQVlGQWxXTUtLb0FDZ2tR SVdjam1zVVRXUm9FTWdDZy9oNVNaTVdocmhqOFBxd1RlYmladFdXVw0KbFhBQW9KTFdjTFdzcFpn WjNQRFVEaEhvL2ViMUhKUEMNCj1aUnBwDQotLS0tLUVORCBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0NCg== --_002_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D0662C6E015NJFPSRVEXG0re_--