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Network Working Group                                         P. Hoffman
Internet-Draft                                            VPN Consortium
Intended status: Standards Track                       November 30, 2010
Expires: June 3, 2011


                 Specifying That a Server Supports TLS
                    draft-hoffman-server-has-tls-00

 Abstract

   A server that hosts applications that can be run with or without TLS
   may want to communicate with clients whether the server is hosting an
   application only using TLS or also hosting the application without
   TLS.  Doing so tells clients that try using TLS but fail to set up a
   TLS session whether or not they should even try to set up an insecure
   session with the server.  This document describes the use cases for
   this type of communication and a secure method for communicating that
   information.



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On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:03:55PM +0000, Ralph Droms wrote:
> All three docs are in IETF last call and will are on the agenda of Dec 2 IESG telechat.  I'd like to get DNS Directorate reviews of the current rev of the docs prior to the telechat.  Has anyone begun any of the reviews?  Volunteers?
> 

I didn't see any other reviews, so I reviewed _very quickly_
draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns-12.  

As I guess I've said before, I think this needs to be published, even
if it isn't perfect.  That said, I think it is in much better shape
than many documents.  I think it has the right mix of explanatory text
and specification.  I think the protocol is completely specified here.
(I spent some time working through some issues over the past year with
Bonjour using previous versions of this draft, and I was never able to
find things that weren't covered in it.  Would that I could say the
same thing for the DNS specifications!)

There remains in this document the awkward fact that it is directing
IANA to reserve part of the namespace.  The argument in Appendix G is
a little bizarre, given that the document officially says that it is
_not_ DNS but rather a DNS-like protocol on port 5353.  That said, the
same argument cites RFC 2860, and I think the argument is on stronger
ground there.

The rule in Appendix F that you're not allowed to put ACE-compatible
encodings in mDNS is obviously wrong on its face, because ASCII is
just a subset of UTF-8 and therefore any ACE-compatible encoded label
(what the IDNA2008 documents call an A-label) is automatically a valid
mDNS label, though one that will be hard to use.

The "just use UTF-8" approach in this document for
internationalization is probably not quite as effective as the authors
think it should be, but I think it is probably good enough for the
purposes.  I think the document does address in passing most of the
effective issues with this strategy (and says everything that can be
said without the document turning into a discussion of languages,
strings, scripts, and user interface design).  Since mDNS is intended
really for LAN use anyway, the bizarre situations that can arise with
such considerations on the global Internet are unlikely to arise in
this context.

I think the document is forthright that there is a potential security
nightmare in cases where mDNS is in use and there is intermittent
service from the global DNS.  The basic story it has for that is that
it amounts to a user interface problem.  This is a deeply unsatisfying
response, even though it appears to be true in practice.  There just
is no way to have a locally-scoped and globally-scoped namespace
available simultaneously to users, and to make it perfectly impossible
for an attacker to fake out users.  Given that we can't even achieve
such security in the globally-scoped namespace anyway, I am not sure
that such a goal is reasonable.

This protocol (or variations of it) are widely deployed.  I take
seriously Doug Barton's point that the IETF isn't here to stamp
"standard" on vendors' specifications, and it isn't clear that
different interoperating implementations can be generated from this
specification (since we have in the field different implementations
that seem to differ in their behaviour).  But the way we used to
address that was to publish the document as PS so that everyone had
something stable to implement against.  I have no idea whether Avahi
and the various Bonjours are all implemented agains the same draft,
and so we have an interoperability problem anyway.  So I think this
document should be published, and on the standards track.

A

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Hi,

Just as with the multicast DNS draft, I reviewed
draft-cheshire-dnsext-dns-sd-07 very quickly.  Sorry these are coming
so late.

I should note that as part of my day job, I've actually been working
with the dns-sd stuff for over a year.  As far as I can tell, it
works.  There are some actual interoperability problems between
Apple's Bonjour and Avahi; this is to me an argument that we need an
RFC out soon so that people have something stable against which to
implement.

The name of this approach is a little unfortunate, because it makes it
seem that it is intending to allow users to "discover their DNS".
That's not, of course, what it is doing: it presents a mechanism via
the DNS for users to discover other services.  

The discussion about structured service names in section 4.1 is rather
combative in tone, although having followed the history of this I
can't say that's surprising.  The plan to "fall back" to "Punycode" is
a bit of a disaster, in that the description talks about "converting
labels to Punycode".  It's worth quoting the entire passage:

   The <Domain> portion of the Service Instance Name specifies the DNS
   subdomain within which the service names are registered. It may be
   "local.", meaning "link-local Multicast DNS" [mDNS], or it may be
   a conventional unicast DNS domain name, such as "ietf.org.",
   "cs.stanford.edu.", or "eng.us.ibm.com." Because service names are
   not host names, they are not constrained by the usual rules for host
   names [RFC 1033][RFC 1034][RFC 1035], and rich-text service
   subdomains are allowed and encouraged, for example:

     Building 2, 1st Floor  .  example  .  com  .
     Building 2, 2nd Floor  .  example  .  com  .
     Building 2, 3rd Floor  .  example  .  com  .
     Building 2, 4th Floor  .  example  .  com  .

   In addition, because Service Instance Names are not constrained by
   the limitations of host names, this document recommends that they
   be stored in the DNS, and communicated over the wire, encoded as
   straightforward canonical precomposed UTF-8, Unicode Normalization
   Form C [UAX15]. In cases where the DNS server returns a negative
   response for the name in question, client software MAY choose to
   retry the query using "Punycode" [RFC 3492] encoding, beginning with
   using Punycode encoding for the top level label, and then issuing
   the query repeatedly, with successively more labels converted to
   Punycode each time, and giving up if it has converted all labels
   to Punycode and the query still fails.

Now, the "fallback to Punycode" approach will work fine for the
portion of the identifier that is just the local part.  But claiming
that you can start at the top level and "convert the label to
Punycode" is an underspecification, since under IDNA2008 you're
supposed to check putative A-labels to see whether they are such
(though there cannot, of course, be a general-purpose rule that you're
not allowed to look up a putative A-label without checking it, since
your lookup might be IDNA-unaware).  The recommendation to use UTF-8
labels for the whole name is not consistent with IDNA2008
recommendations, although it will probably interoperate.  I would like
to suggest a single sentence advising users of this specification to
be aware of the constraints on domain names entailed by IDNA2008.  I
do _not_ think this should block publication of the document, but I
expect that there will be evidence that emerges soon about how this
works in practice (because of increasing IDNA deployment), and perhaps
as the document advances on the standards track this part can be
cleaned up in light of experience.

It is the rejection of the LDH rule that reveals the basic bias in the
document towards the LAN.  Nevertheless, mature DNS implementations
ought no longer to require the LDH rule for all labels (if ever they
did).  

While it would have been nice if they'd used an RRTYPE other than TXT
for part of this, the fact is that they used it, and it's widely
deployed.  It's too late to undo this.

If it were my protocol, I'd have done a more complete job on subtyping
(this has caused me some pain over the past year).  But within the
limits prescribed here, the subtyping seems to work, and the document
is quite clear that it isn't pretending to offer more.  Again, also,
the protocol is widely deployed, so attempting to change this is
unlikely to yield the results we want.

I think the document should be published, even though I'm a little
uncomfortable with the implications of the discussion in 4.1.

A

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Network Working Group                                   B. Niven-Jenkins
Internet-Draft                                  Velocix (Alcatel-Lucent)
Intended status: Informational                            F. Le Faucheur
Expires: June 5, 2011                                              Cisco
                                                                N. Bitar
                                                                 Verizon
                                                        December 2, 2010


 Content Distribution Network Interconnection (CDNI) Problem Statement
                draft-jenkins-cdni-problem-statement-00

 Abstract

   Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) provide numerous benefits: reduced
   delivery cost for cacheable content, improved quality of experience
   for end users and increased robustness of delivery.  For these
   reasons they are frequently used for large-scale content delivery.
   As a result, existing CDN providers are scaling up their
   infrastructure and many Network Service Providers (NSPs) are
   deploying their own CDNs.  It is generally desirable that a given
   content item can be delivered to an end user regardless of that
   user's location or attachment network.  This creates a requirement
   for interconnecting standalone CDNs so they can interoperate as an
   open content delivery infrastructure for the end-to-end delivery of
   content from Content Service Providers (CSPs) to end users.  However,
   no standards or open specifications currently exist to facilitate
   such CDN interconnection.

   The goal of this document is to outline the problem area for the IETF
   with a view towards creating a working group.  This working group
   would work on interoperable and scalable solutions for CDN
   interconnection.



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IPv6 Operations                                             J. Livingood
Internet-Draft                                                   Comcast
Intended status: Informational                          December 3, 2010
Expires: June 6, 2011


                IPv6 AAAA DNS Whitelisting Implications
         draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-00

 Abstract

   The objective of this document is to describe what whitelisting of
   DNS AAAA resource records is, or DNS whitelisting for short, as well
   as what the implications of this emerging practice are and what
   alternatives may exist.  The audience for this document is the
   Internet community generally, including the IETF and IPv6
   implementers.



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Internet Engineering Task Force                            O. Troan, Ed.
Internet-Draft                                                     Cisco
Intended status: Informational                                  D. Miles
Expires: June 9, 2011                                     Alcatel-Lucent
                                                           S. Matsushima
                                                  SOFTBANK TELECOM Corp.
                                                              T. Okimoto
                                                                     NTT
                                                                 D. Wing
                                                                   Cisco
                                                        December 6, 2010


          IPv6 Multihoming without Network Address Translation
                draft-v6ops-multihoming-without-nat66-00

 Abstract

   Network Address and Port Translation (NAPT) works well for conserving
   global addresses and addressing multihoming requirements, because an
   IPv4 NAPT router implements three functions: source address
   selection, next-hop resolution and optionally DNS resolution.  For
   IPv6 hosts one approach could be the use of IPv6 NAT.  However, NAT
   should be avoided, if at all possible, to permit transparent host-to-
   host connectivity.  In this document, we analyze the use cases of
   multihoming.  We also describe functional requirements for
   multihoming without the use of NAT in IPv6 for hosts and small IPv6
   networks that would otherwise be unable to meet minimum IPv6
   allocation criteria .



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Network Working Group                                         P. Hoffman
Internet-Draft                                            VPN Consortium
Intended status: Standards Track                        December 5, 2010
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                  Wrapping DNS for Traffic Protection
                     draft-hoffman-dns-last-hop-00

 Abstract

   DNS queries from one resolver to an upstream resolver are often run
   over connections with no protection of any kind.  This connection, is
   currently susceptible to both malicious and unintentional alteration
   that prevents the querying resolver from being sure that the results
   it receives are valid.  Some middleboxes can prevent a querying
   resolver that does DNSSEC validation from getting enough information
   to validate a response.  Further, a non-validating, non-iterative
   resolver querying a trusted recursive resolver is susceptible to
   active attacks in which the results are purposely altered.

   The protocols described in this document provide two methods to avoid
   these problems and thus make resolution significantly more secure.
   These protocols can be used between any two DNS resolvers, but they
   are particularly useful for queries from "last-hop" stub resolvers to
   trusted recursive resolvers.



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Motorola                                                       P. McCann
Internet-Draft
Intended status: Standards Track                              S. Gilbert
Expires: June 10, 2011                                    Motorola, Inc.
                                                        December 7, 2010


        Authenticated Middlebox Traversal with the Pickle Packet
                      draft-mccann-picklepacket-00

 Abstract

   This document describes the Pickle Packet, a message that can be used
   to coordinate the opening of a transport connection with various
   middleboxes that may lie on the path.  It contains the DNS names of
   both the initiator and the responder of the connection and some
   authentication data.  Because the authentication data uses public key
   cryptography, any middlebox can independently authenticate the
   initiator and make a policy decision whether to allow or deny the
   flow based on the DNS names.  The Pickle Packet allows for
   middleboxes to establish state such as firewall pinholes or security
   associations that can be used to filter out unwanted traffic.



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Please find below the preliminary agenda of the 12/16 IESG telechat.
Please send me your comments, questions and concerns before 12/15 COB.

Thanks and Regards,

Dan

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From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
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2.1.1 New Items

  o draft-ietf-mpls-fastreroute-mib-15
    Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering Management
    Information Base for Fast Reroute (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Loa Andersson (loa@pi.nu) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Adrian Farrel

  o draft-ietf-httpstate-cookie-19
    HTTP State Management Mechanism (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Peter Saint-Andre

  o draft-ietf-sipcore-event-rate-control-05
    Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Event Notification Extension for
    Notification Rate Control (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Adam Roach (adam@nostrum.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Robert Sparks
    Was deferred by Cindy Morgan on 2010-12-02

  o draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-05
    IMAP LIST extension for special-use mailboxes (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Timo Sirainen <tss@iki.fi> is the document shepherd.
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

  o draft-ietf-roll-trickle-06
    The Trickle Algorithm (Proposed Standard)
    Note: JP Vasseur (jpv@cisco.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Adrian Farrel

  o draft-ietf-tls-ssl2-must-not-03
    Prohibiting SSL Version 2.0 (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Joe Salowey (jsalowey@cisco.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

  o draft-ietf-avt-rtp-svc-24
    RTP Payload Format for Scalable Video Coding (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Roni Even is the document shepherd (Even.roni@huawei.com)
    Token: Gonzalo Camarillo

  o draft-ietf-xmpp-address-07
    Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Address Format
    (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Ben Campbell (ben@nostrum.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Gonzalo Camarillo
    Was deferred by Cindy Morgan on 2010-12-02

  o draft-ietf-sieve-notify-presence-03
    Sieve Notification Using Presence Information (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Cyrus Daboo is the document shepherd.
    Token: Alexey Melnikov
    Was deferred by Robert Sparks on 2010-12-01

  o draft-ietf-mpls-ip-options-05
    Requirements for Label Edge Router Forwarding of IPv4 Option Packets
    (Proposed Standard)
    Note: George Swallow (swallow@cisco.com) is the Document Shepherd.
    Token: Adrian Farrel

  o draft-ietf-v6ops-3177bis-end-sites-00
    IPv6 Address Assignment to End Sites (BCP)
    Note: Fred Baker (fred@cisco.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Ron Bonica

  o draft-ietf-morg-fuzzy-search-03
    IMAP4 Extension for Fuzzy Search (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Barry Leiba (one of the MORG chairs) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

  o draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-timestamps-02
    Reducing the TIME-WAIT state using TCP timestamps (BCP)
    Note: Wesley Eddy (Wesley.M.Eddy@nasa.gov) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Lars Eggert

2.1.2 Returning Items

  NONE

2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Items

  NONE

2.2.2 Returning Items

  o draft-cheshire-dnsext-dns-sd-07
    DNS-Based Service Discovery (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns-12
    Multicast DNS (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Ralph Droms

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Items

  o draft-ietf-ipfix-mediators-framework-09
    IPFIX Mediation: Framework (Informational)
    Note: Juergen Quittek is the document shepherd
    Token: Dan Romascanu

  o draft-ietf-opsec-protect-control-plane-04
    Protecting The Router Control Plane (Informational)
    Token: Ron Bonica

  o draft-ietf-ipfix-anon-05
    IP Flow Anonymisation Support (Experimental)
    Note: Nevil Brownlee is the Document Shepherd
    Token: Dan Romascanu

  o draft-ietf-v6ops-incremental-cgn-02
    An Incremental Carrier-Grade NAT (CGN) for IPv6 Transition
    (Informational)
    Note: Joel Jaeggli (joelja@bogus.com), v6ops co-chair is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Ron Bonica

  o draft-ietf-bmwg-reset-03
    Device Reset Characterization (Informational)
    Note: Al Morton (acmorton@att.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Ron Bonica

3.1.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
3.2.1 New Items

  o draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-04
    Extending YANG with Language Abstractions (Experimental)
    Note: Mehmet Ersue is the document shepherd.
    Token: Dan Romascanu

  o draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines-09
    Guidelines for Using IPv6 Transition Mechanisms during IPv6
    Deployment (Informational)
    Note: Kurt Erik Lindqvist (kurtis@kurtis.pp.se) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Ron Bonica

3.2.2 Returning Items

  o draft-cheshire-dnsext-nbp-09
    Requirements for a Protocol to Replace AppleTalk NBP (Informational)
    Token: Ralph Droms

3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents
3.3.1 New Items

  o draft-saito-mmusic-sdp-ike-08
    Media Description for IKE in the Session Description Protocol (SDP)
    (Informational)
    Note: See the Ballot Writeup for the working 5742 response
    Token: Robert Sparks

  o draft-templin-iron-13
    The Internet Routing Overlay Network (IRON) (Experimental)
    Note: Tony Li (tony.li@tony.li) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Jari Arkko

3.3.2 Returning Items

  NONE

4. Working Group Actions
4.1 WG Creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review

  o Audio/Video Transport Payloads (payload)
    Token: Robert Sparks

  o Metric Blocks for use with RTCP's Extended Report Framework
(xrblock)

    Token: Robert Sparks

  o Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenence (avtcore)
    Token: Robert Sparks

  o Audio/Video Transport Extensions (avtext)
    Token: Robert Sparks

  o ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence (clue)
    Token: Gonzalo Camarillo

4.1.2 Proposed for Approval

  NONE

4.2 WG Rechartering
4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review

  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for Approval

  o Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links (trill)
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf)
    Token: Jari Arkko


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XMPP                                                      P. Saint-Andre
Internet-Draft                                                     Cisco
Updates: 3920 (if approved)                            December 10, 2010
Intended status: Standards Track
Expires: June 13, 2011


   Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Address Format
                       draft-ietf-xmpp-address-08

 Abstract

   This document defines the format for addresses used in the Extensible
   Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP), including support for non-
   ASCII characters.  This document updates RFC 3920.



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Network Working Group                                         P. Hoffman
Internet-Draft                                            VPN Consortium
Intended status: Standards Track                             J. Schlyter
Expires: June 16, 2011                                          Kirei AB
                                                       December 13, 2010


  Using Secure DNS to Associate Certificates with Domain Names For TLS
                      draft-ietf-dane-protocol-00

 Abstract

   TLS and DTLS use certificates for authenticating the server.  Users
   want their applications to verify that the certificate provided by
   the TLS server is in fact associated with the domain name they
   expect.  Instead of trusting a certification authority to have made
   this association correctly, the user might instead trust the
   authoritative DNS server for the domain name to make that
   association.  This document describes how to use secure DNS to
   associate the TLS server's certificate with the the intended domain
   name.



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Internet Engineering Task Force                              S. Cheshire
Internet-Draft                                               M. Krochmal
Intended status: Standards Track                              Apple Inc.
Expires: June 15, 2011                                      Dec 12, 2010


                        Special-Use Domain Names
                 draft-cheshire-dnsext-special-names-00

 Abstract

   This document describes what it means to say that a DNS name is
   reserved for special use, when reserving such a name is appropriate,
   and the procedure for doing so.



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Internet Research Task Force                                   J. Levine
Internet-Draft                                      Taughannock Networks
Intended status: Experimental                          December 21, 2010
Expires: June 24, 2011


    An efficient method to publish ranges of IP addresses in the DNS
                       draft-levine-iprangepub-00

 Abstract

   The DNS has long been used to publish lists of IPv4 address ranges in
   blacklists and whitelists.  The size of the IPv6 address space makes
   the entry-per-IP approach used for IPv4 lists impractical.  A new
   technique for publishing IPv6 address ranges is described.  It is
   intended to permit efficient publishing and querying, and to have
   good DNS cache behavior.



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Network Working Group                                      XingWei. Wang
Internet-Draft                                              ZhanKao. Wen
Intended status: Standards Track                                Jun. Liu
Expires: May 8, 2011                                       WeiDong. Wang
                                                          PengCheng. Liu
                                                                     NEU
                                                        November 4, 2010


                 TESF Based on True IPv6 Address Access
                      draft-xwwang-ipv6tesf-00.txt

 Abstract

   The current Email infrastructure has the property that any host
   sending mail to the mail system can identify itself as any user name
   it wants.  Furthermore, the current Email framework neither
   authenticates the sender nor traces the source of the mail, so even
   find a spam, the method is just to reject the mail or insert the mail
   source into "blacklist", and both of these methods can!_t deracinate
   the generation of spam.  This document design a Email source address
   authentication based on true IPv6 address access to identify and
   authenticate the mail source address, to trace the mail sender
   effectively, and to deracinate the generation of spam.


