Subject: Re: [fmc] fmc Digest, Vol 9, Issue 9

From: Hasnaa Moustafa <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:51:34 -0800

Dear Med,

Thanks for the clarification.
Yes I agree with your feedback on the video streaming case. Your reply
makes things clearer for me, yes this is more situated under "a solution
approacg" and I think that it's nearly covered by the different use'cases
mentioned in the draft.

For the SIPTO case, I understood that you confirm the interest of including
a use-case for it. And so I will provide you shortly with some text
proposal seeing if it meets the scope for Host-ID use-cases.

Kind regards,
Hassnaa

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:41 PM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

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> To: Hasnaa Moustafa <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked]" <
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> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:41:49 +0100
> Subject: Re: [fmc] fmc Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7
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> Dear Hasnaa,
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> Please see inline.
>
> Cheers,
> Med
>
>  ------------------------------
> *De :* Hasnaa Moustafa [mailto:[email-masked]]
> *Envoyé :* jeudi 13 décembre 2012 19:38
> *À :* [email-masked]
> *Cc :* BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/OLN
> *Objet :* Re: fmc Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7
>
>  Thanks Med for your clarification.
> For yur first question ([Med] Wouldn't this be achieved at the
> application level? announce/discover the device capabilities and then the
> server will adapt the way it will server the device?) ---> YES sure this
> is taken care by the application level (as HAS and DASH cases), but the
> question is: Would doing so by lower layers through the host-ID be
> beneficial and provide a generic standardized solution to any application
> on top? would there be a agin? would this way of doing it help?
> Here, I really have a question rather than a proposal for this I thought
> sharing this point with you and with the mailing list (since the Host-ID
> issue in the way you describe could help "this is what I thought at least -
> but with no strong sureness").
> [Med] The current use cases described in the draft present host
> identification as a problem. The content adaptation case you are describing
> is looking on how to make use of any HOST_ID proposal to better service the
> device/user. This is another perspective. I prefer to restrict the scope of
> the draft to only cases where host identification is an issue.
>
> For the second point on the SIPTO, I understood that it fits under the
> Cellular Network use-case in the draft (with no need to include a new
> use-case for Heterogeneous networks/Small cells)?
> [Med] SIPTO can be introduced as a new use case in its own.
>
> A last question (which was asked before I think in one of the previous
> emails commenting the draft): Would the Host-ID issue mentioned in the
> draft be a discussion base for FMC (or would be under one of the existing
> WGs)?
> [Med] The goal is to assess whether there is interest from the community
> to solve this problem. The problem space is not restricted to FMC but
> covers various cases which share the same technical problem. Today this
> document is still "homeless"...
>
> Thanks for this exchange.
>
> Kind regards,
> Hassnaa
>
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>> From: <[email-masked]>
>> To: Hasnaa Moustafa <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked]" <
>> [email-masked]>
>> Cc: "[email-masked]" <
>> [email-masked]>
>> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:01:21 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [fmc] fmc Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3
>> **
>> Dear Hasnaa,
>>
>> Thank you for reading the draft.
>>
>> Please see inline.
>> Cheers,
>> Med
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *De :* [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] *De la part de*Hasnaa Moustafa
>> *Envoyé :* mardi 11 décembre 2012 20:22
>> *À :* [email-masked]
>> *Objet :* Re: [fmc] fmc Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Med,
>>
>>
>>
>> I read the draft and have some issues to discuss on the use-cases.
>>
>> I think that Host-ID would be useful for the case of Home Networks in a
>> scenario as follows:
>>
>> -  Several hosts exist in the home network that can belong to the same
>> or multiple users
>>
>> -  The NAT functionality could be carried out either in the RG or in
>> another Border node
>>
>> -  The host access could be through WiFi AP, FAP or even Ethernet (e.g.
>> connected TV)
>>
>> -  Video streaming is the popular application/traffic in home network
>> through the different hosts
>>
>> -  Each host is considered as a device with different characteristics
>> (i.e. requiring the end server to  distinguish each device to provide
>> the adequate content for each host) for better QoE
>>
>> - Each host has a private IPv4 address while there is one shared public
>> IPv4 address by all the Home Network
>>
>> -  Consequently, a HostID solution is beneficial in this use case
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not sure if the motivation for Host-ID need in such scenario matches
>> the objective of Host-ID in your draft and if this scenario is implicitly
>> covered in some of the use-cases mentioned in the draft.
>>
>> [Med] Wouldn't this be achieved at the application
>> level? announce/discover the device capabilities and then the server will
>> adapt the way it will server the device?
>>
>>
>>
>> Another case that could be checked maybe is the HetNets scenario.
>> According to 3GPP definition for HetNets/small cells: Small cells are lower
>> power nodes working in the same frequency as the macro cell nodes, and the
>> heterogeneity of the network comes from the varying power levels within the
>> deployed nodes.
>>
>> A host could be attached to one or more small cells and could be
>> simultaneously attached to a small cell and a macro cell at the same time.
>> Private IPv4 addresses are assigned in each cell (macro or pico), and there
>> could be  several scenarios as follows:
>>
>> -         host attached to only the macro cell: similar HostID issue to
>> the cellular network use-case
>>
>> -         host attached to only a small cell: similar HostID issue to
>> the case of cellular network use-case
>>
>> -         host attached to both the  macro cell  and a small cell:
>> Selected IP Traffic Offload is enabled by NAT based on operator policies
>> (e.g. per IP address) [3GPP TR 23.829]. Here there might be a new issue ?
>>
>> [Med] Thank you for sharing this use case.
>>
>>
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>       The SIPTO case may induce some issues for both IPv4 and IPv6.=20
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>           <DIV><SPAN>Dear Med et al,</SPAN></DIV>
>           <DIV>
>           <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-US>In
> general,=
>  I like=20
>           the current version. Some comments are=20
>           below.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
>           <DIV style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 0px; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt
> 18pt"><SPAN=20
>           lang=3DEN-US><SPAN>1.<SPAN=20
>           style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New
> Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
> sp;&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
>           lang=3DEN-US>From my understanding, this document provides the
> us=
> e cases=20
>           for the issues and analysis in=20
>           =93draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis=94. Is it correct? If
> i=
> t is , I=20
>           suggest this document be referenced in=20
>           =93nat-reveal-analysis=94.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
>           <DIV style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 0px; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt
> 18pt"><SPAN=20
>           lang=3DEN-US><SPAN>2.<SPAN=20
>           style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New
> Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
> sp;&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
>           lang=3DEN-US>Regarding this document, in the section of CGN use
> c=
> ase,=20
>           the stateless NAT44 case should be=20
> included.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
>           <DIV style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 0px; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt
> 18pt"><SPAN=20
>           lang=3DEN-US><SPAN>3.<SPAN=20
>           style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New
> Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
> sp;&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
>           lang=3DEN-US>For A+P section, the MAP/Lw4over6 cases may be=20
>           considered.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
>           <DIV style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 0px; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt
> 18pt"><SPAN=20
>           lang=3DEN-US><SPAN>4.<SPAN=20
>           style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New
> Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
> sp;&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
>           lang=3DEN-US>In figure 6, the UE may have an interface with AF
> to=
> =20
>           initiate the session request, e.g., SIP.</SPAN></DIV>
>           <DIV><BR></DIV>
>           <DIV>Thank you,</DIV>Tina</DIV>
>           <DIV><BR>On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:10 PM, "<A=20
>           href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>           target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>" &lt;<A=20
>           href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>           target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;=20
> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
>           <DIV></DIV>
>           <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>             <DIV><SPAN>Dear Wes,</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Thank
> you=
>  for=20
>             your comments. </SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Please see
> inl=
> ine.=20
>
> </SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Cheers,</SPAN><BR><SPAN>Med=20
>             </SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>-----Message=20
>               d'origine-----</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>De : George, Wes [mailto:<A=20
>               href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>               target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>]=20
> </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Envoy=E9 : mardi 4 d=E9cembre
> 2=
> 012=20
>               21:09</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>=C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed
> OLNC/OL=
> N; <A=20
>               href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D_blank>[email-masked]
> </A>=
> ; <A=20
>               href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>               target=3D_blank>[email-masked]
> </A></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Cc : <A=20
>               href=3D"mailto:
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>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Objet : RE:=20
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> draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios</SPAN><BR><=
> /BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>I've read this draft, and I
> thi=
> nk=20
>               the use case list is </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>reasonably=20
>             complete.</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>However, it's really unclear
> to=
>  me=20
>               what the value of this </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>draft might be in its current
> f=
> orm,=20
>               and what its intended </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>audience might be. Cataloging
> u=
> se=20
>               cases is not all that </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>helpful by itself without an
> en=
> d=20
>               goal in mind, and that end </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>goal is not clear from the=20
>               draft.</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Med:
> The=
>  goal=20
>             of this draft is what is described in Section=20
>             2:</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>"The goal is=20
>             to</SPAN><BR><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;identify scenarios the authors
> a=
> re=20
>             aware of and which share the
> same</SPAN><BR><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;i=
> ssue=20
>             of host=20
>
> identification.</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;Th=
> is=20
>             document does not include any solution-specific=20
>             discussion.</SPAN><BR><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;This document can be
> us=
> ed as=20
>             a tool to design solution(s)=20
>             mitigating</SPAN><BR><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;the encountered issues.=
> =20
>             &nbsp;Having a generic solution which would=20
>             solve</SPAN><BR><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;the issues encountered in
> the=
> se=20
>             use cases is preferred over
> designing</SPAN><BR><SPAN>&nbsp;&nb=
> sp;a=20
>             solution for each use case. &nbsp;Describing the use case
> allow=
> s=20
>             to</SPAN><BR><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;identify what is common between
> =
> the=20
>             use cases and then would
> help</SPAN><BR><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;durin=
> g the=20
>             solution design
> phase."</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Next=20
>             updates of this draft will:</SPAN><BR><SPAN>* include a
> discuss=
> ion=20
>             section to assess whether the issue is valid for IPv4-only or
> i=
> t=20
>             applies also for IPv6</SPAN><BR><SPAN>* include a discussion
> te=
> xt to=20
>             clarify whether each use case is valid within one single=20
>             administrative domain or not</SPAN><BR><SPAN>* include a
> discus=
> sion=20
>             text to identify use cases which share the same requirements
> (t=
> his=20
>             will help in designing the solution) </SPAN><BR><SPAN>* add=20
>             additional use cases if
> any</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>At=
> =20
>             given point in time we need to draw conclusions about the=20
>             following:</SPAN><BR><SPAN>(1) are these use cases valid=20
>             ones?</SPAN><BR><SPAN>(2) if this is a real technical problem,
> =
> what=20
>             the IETF can do to solve the issue?</SPAN><BR><SPAN>(3) if
> ther=
> e is=20
>             interest in this area, how to organize the work for the
> solutio=
> n=20
>             space.</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>The scope is
> deliberate=
> ly=20
>             </SPAN><BR>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>very narrow and references
> othe=
> r=20
>               drafts that discuss some of </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>the surrounding issues with
> add=
> ress=20
>               sharing and unique </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>identifiers, and so there is
> ve=
> ry=20
>               little text in each section </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>beyond a basic description.
> Eve=
> n=20
>               when you think of this in </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>terms of follow-on drafts such
> =
> as a=20
>               gap analysis or problem </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>statement or solution drafts,
> o=
> ne=20
>               wonders how useful it is to </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>spread this across multiple
> dra=
> fts.=20
>               So why not simply </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>incorporate this list into one
> =
> of=20
>               the referenced general </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>drafts on host identification,
> =
> such=20
>               as nat-reveal-analysis and </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>then broaden that draft so
> that=
>  it=20
>               considers and addresses the </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>other use cases as=20
>
> appropriate?</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Me=
> d: As I=20
>             mentioned above, we don't want to include any
> solution-specific=
> =20
>             discussion to this draft. The text is shortened in=20
>             purpose.</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Otherwise, I think that the
> dra=
> ft=20
>               needs to be much clearer </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>about the unique issues and=20
>               considerations for each use case, </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>especially those that are
> someh=
> ow=20
>               distinct from those covered </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>in nat-reveal-analysis so that
> =
> it=20
>               can serve as a better input </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>to any potential solutions=20
>               addressing this=20
>             problem.</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Med:
> Ful=
> ly=20
>             agreed. This will be added to the next rev of the=20
>             draft.</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>I also believe that if this
> dra=
> ft is=20
>               to remain a standalone </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>document, the authors need to
> m=
> ake=20
>               at least some attempt at </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>discussing security and
> privacy=
> =20
>               considerations here, even if </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>it is mainly to refer the
> reade=
> r to=20
>               more in-depth discussions </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>of the matter in other=20
>               drafts.</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Med:
> Ag=
> ree. A=20
>             pointer to <A=20
>             href=3D"
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-nat-revea=
> l-analysis-04#section-3"=20
>             target=3D_blank>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-n=
> at-reveal-analysis-04#section-3</A>=20
>             will be added to the next rev of the draft. The text will also=
> =20
>             include some discussion for use cases which are restricted to
> o=
> ne=20
>             single administrative=20
>
> domain.</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Again=
> ,=20
>             here is an area where </SPAN><BR>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>being clear about the specific=
> =20
>               considerations for each use </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>case is important, identifying=
> =20
>               whether the other drafts </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>discuss things so that they
> are=
> =20
>               applicable to all of the use </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>cases, or if the use cases are=
> =20
>               unique in any number of ways </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>that will mean that they have
> u=
> nique=20
>               privacy and security </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>considerations.</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Thanks,</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Wes
> George</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUO=
> TE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>-----Original=20
>                 Message-----</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>From: <A=20
>                 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>                 target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A> [mailto:
> <A=20
>                 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>                 target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>]=20
>               On</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Behalf Of <A=20
>                 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>                 target=3D_blank>[email-masked]
> </A></SPAN><BR>=
> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Sent: Monday, December 03,
> 20=
> 12=20
>                 4:08 AM</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>To: <A href=3D"mailto:
> fmc@iet=
> f.org"=20
>                 target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>; <A=20
>                 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>                 target=3D_blank>[email-masked]
> </A></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOT=
> E></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Cc: <A=20
>                 href=3D"mailto:
> draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scen=
> [email-masked]"=20
>
> target=3D_blank>draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-sce=
> [email-masked]</A></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Subject: [Int-area]=20
>
> draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios</SPAN><BR=
> ></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Dear=20
>             all,</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>We submitted an updated
> versi=
> on of=20
>                 this draft to list use cases=20
>             which</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>encounter the issue of
> host=20
>                 identification. The following
> </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>use cases
> are</SPAN><BR></BLOCK=
> QUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>discussed in the=20
>               draft:</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;(1)
> &nbsp;Carrier=
> =20
>                 Grade NAT (CGN)</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;(2) &nbsp;A+P
> (e.=
> g.,=20
>                 MAP )</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;(3)
> &nbsp;Applica=
> tion=20
>                 Proxies</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;(4)
> &nbsp;Provide=
> r=20
>                 Wi-Fi</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;(5) &nbsp;Policy
> =
> and=20
>                 Charging Architectures</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;(6)
> &nbsp;Cellula=
> r=20
>                 Networks</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;(7)=20
>                 &nbsp;Femtocells</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;(8)
> &nbsp;Overlay=
> =20
>                 Networks (e.g., CDNs)</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>The document does not
> include=
>  any=20
>                 solution-specific </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>discussion. Its=20
>             main</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>goal is to identify the use
> c=
> ases=20
>                 and describe them.</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>If you think your use case
> is=
>  not=20
>                 included in this version,
> </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQU=
> OTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>please
> share</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQ=
> UOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>it with=20
>             us.</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Comments are=20
>               welcome.</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Cheers,</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE=
> >
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>             type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Med</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>-----Message=20
>                 d'origine-----</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>De : <A=20
>                 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>                 target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A> [mailto:
> <=
> A=20
>                 href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce-"=20
>
> target=3D_blank>i-d-announce-</A></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></=
> BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN><A href=3D"mailto:
> bounces@iet=
> f.org"=20
>                 target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>] De la part de <A=20
>                 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>                 target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>=20
>             </SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>Envoy=E9 :
> lundi</SPAN><BR></BL=
> OCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>3 d=E9cembre 2012 08:26 =C0
> :=
>  <A=20
>                 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
>                 target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A> Objet : I-D=20
>                 Action:</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier=
> -scenarios-02.txt</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>A New Internet-Draft is
> avail=
> able=20
>                 from the on-line=20
> Internet-Drafts</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>directories.</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCK=
> QUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>                 type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Title=20
>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
> ;:=20
>                 Host Identification: Use
> Cases</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Author(s)=
> =20
>                 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: Mohamed=20
>                 Boucadair</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
>
> sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;David=20
>                 Binet</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
>
> sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sophie=20
>                 Durel</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
>
> sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tirumaleswar=20
>                 Reddy</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
>
> sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Brandon=20
>                 Williams</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>                 type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Filename=
> =20
>                 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:=20
>
> draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQ=
> UOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>scenarios-02.txt</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><=
> /BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>                 type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Pages=20
>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
> ;:=20
>                 14</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
> ;Date=20
>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
> ;&nbsp;:=20
>                 2012-12-02</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
>             <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
>               <BLOCKQUOTE
> type=3D"cite"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
> CKQUOTE>
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>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;identification
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>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN>The IETF datatracker status
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>               <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN><A=20
>                 href=3D"
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boucadair-in=
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>               <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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> type=3D"cite"><SPAN>identifier-scenarios</SPAN><BR></BLOCKQUO=
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