Subject: [Fwd: Re: bgp]
From: Jhilmil Kochar <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:31:57 +0530

Jhilmil Kochar wrote:
> 
Hi, We are developing the BGp-4 protocol. We had a few queries regarding
the same with reference to overlapping routes, aggregation etc regarding
which the RFC is not very clear.
> 
> 1. Refer RFC 1771/9.1.4/pg 40. When you consider overlapping routes,
> should u consider only routes received from the SAME UPDATE, or from the
> SAME PEER or from any update , any Peer ?
> 2.
> Let us say that the routes are organised in a tree in which the less
> specific cases come towards the root and the more specific towards the
> leaf. Essentially then for any node, all nodes upwards towards the root
> will be less specific, and the entire tree dowanwards will be more
> specific. When u consider a less specific route/ more specific route,
> how far up/ down the tree should you travel ? should u consider just one
> node up/ down or as far up/ down as possible. This may lead to extreme
> situations  like, if only less specific routes are allowed, in extreme
> conditions u may just support the route for 0.0.0.0, ie the entire
> internet (which is the least specific of all routes ). we need
> clarification on this issue .
> 3. RFC 1771/ 9.1.4/ pg 40 choice (c). In case of deaggregation for
> overlapping routes, how do u control the information explosion ?
> Similarly when u also support BGP-3, how will u send a classless route
> received from BGP4 Peer to BGP -3 Peer. Possibly by deaggregation, but
> that will lead to information and memory explosion. How can u limit
> deaggregation ?
> 4. Refer RFC 1771/ 9.1.4/pg 40. Among the specified choices, can u
> explain under what conditions choice (b) and (f) will be useful ?
> 
> If u have some references regarding these issues, or answers , please
> get back to me.
> Thanks and regards
> Jhilmil Kochar
> 
> --
> Jhilmil Kochar                          e-mail :[email-masked]
> Ficon Technology Pvt Ltd                web    :www.ficon-tech.com
> A-8 Sector 9,                           Ph     :91-11-91544132
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	Title		: Capabilities Negotiation with BGP-4
	Author(s)	: J. Scudder, R. Chandra
	Filename	: draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-cap-neg-01.txt
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   Currently BGP-4 [BGP-4] requires that when a BGP speaker receives an
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:56:19 +0200
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Subject: 8th IFIP Conference on High Performance Networking (HPN'98)
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Ramon Puigjanier, Univ. Illes Balears, Spain=20

Guy Pujolle, Univ. Versailles, France=20

Doug Shepherd, Univ. Lancaster, UK=20

Thomas Sommer, Vienna Univ. of Technology, Austria=20

Otto Spaniol, Univ. Aachen, Germany=20

Ralf Steinmetz, Techn. Univ. Darmstadt, Germany=20

Ahmed Tantawi, IBM Res., Yorktown Heights, USA=20

Fouad Tobagi, Stanford Univ., USA=20

Samir Tohm=E9, ENST, France=20

Giorgio Ventre, Univ. Napoli, Italy=20

Martina Zitterbart, Univ. Braunschweig, Germany=20

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To: [email-masked] (Sandy Murphy)
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Subject: Re: DNS AS origin verification - authorization, authentication, and DNSSEC
From: Tony Li <[email-masked]>
Date: 04 Apr 1998 01:09:05 -0800
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[email-masked] (Sandy Murphy) writes:

> I'm still confused about something:

> So this technique is using DNSSEC to prevent malicious people from
> spoofing the authorization data - but it is not attempting to prevent
> malicious people from inserting authentic authorization data in their
> updates.

Sandy,

The proposed technique does NOT (repeat NOT) provide security.  It is half
a loaf, which as we all know when it comes to security, is not better than
no loaf.

However, this proposal is a reasonable sanity check against accidents.  The
point about designing in DNSSEC now is so that when we DO get around to
signing paths (which as you have noted we must do and I do concur) we will
THEN have a full loaf.

Tony

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:38:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandy Murphy <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: DNS AS origin verification - authorization, authentication, and DNSSEC
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Yakov, Tony, and Randy:

I'm still confused about something:

- DNS provides a tree in which to store the authorization to announce a prefix.

- DNSSEC is used to ensure that the authorization data received from the
  tree is authentic (received from the authentic source).

- BGP Updates are not signed, so anyone could put valid, authorized origin
  data in their BGP Update - but that is not considered a drawback, because
  this technique is intended to stop damage from the recurring, frequent
  misconfiguration problems.  This technique is not attempting to
  prevent deliberate and malicious threats.

So this technique is using DNSSEC to prevent malicious people from
spoofing the authorization data - but it is not attempting to prevent
malicious people from inserting authentic authorization data in their
updates.

Put another way - if we are excluding malicious evil-doers from the
threats this technique protects against, why do we care that DNSSEC is
available?  I don't think there are huge problems with accidental
misconfigurations in the domain name space.

Of course, I've been wrong before.

--Sandy Murphy

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Rough and ready notes

1) Agenda Bashing
2) Aggregations I-Ds
        - draft-ietf-idr-aggregation-framework-02.txt
        - draft-ietf-idr-aggregation-tutorial-01.txt

3) BGP-4 over ATM and Proxy PAR
4) DNS-based NLRI origin AS verification in BGP
5) DNS-based NLRI origin AS verification in BGP 
6) RR RFC status
7) Confederation

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1)Aggregation Framework

  Presentation:
   draft-ietf-idr-aggregation-framework-01.txt

        Successful proxy aggregation requires coordination on
        a very large scale (i.e., between

   draft-ietf-idr-aggregation-framework-02.txt

       Proxy aggregation may be appropriate on a small scale where
       the necessary coordination is tractable.  However, on a large
       scale, experience has shown that proxy aggregation is problematic
       because the coordination is tractable.

  Discussion

        Coordination is possible.  [Curtis V.]
        Coordination is done, but unfeasbile. [Tony Li]
        Discussion will continue on the mailing list.

2) Proxy par
        (draft-droz-proxypar-arch-00.txt)

        Draft was explained.  Slides are available at:

        Automatic detection of peers across ATM clouds.
        Depends on the PNNI flooding within the ATM cloud.

        BGP work entails:
        Each BGP peer registers with its ATM cloud
           - ATM address,
           - IP instance
           - IP address,
           - IP mask,
           - BGP Identifier,
        - Route reflector type as one of:
         - Reflector of a certain cluster or
           - client of a certain cluster or
           - non-client

        Each BGP queries for
           - BGP peers in different ASes to form E-BGP adjacencies
           - BGP Peers in the same AS to form i_BGP adjacencies to
                (works with route reflectors)

        Misc - Security issues,
             - Implict address resolution for ATM

  Discussion:

      Discussion of OSPF LSAs or ISIS TLVs to do auto-configuration
      for BGP peers.

      Questions if auto-configuration is necessary   
      in the ISP/NSP environment.  [Curtis, Enke Chen]  The trust level of the
      NSP/ISPs does not extend to Autoconfiguration.  [Peter Lothberg]
      The "plug-in" auto-configuration feature is unwise
      for external BGP peers.  [Yakov Rekhter]

      Problem that you are trying to solve is the discovery of
      of ATM edge devices.  [Dino F.]  The scope of
      ATM PAR may not be Jay Hawkinson [GTE networking].
    
      Autoconfiguration in this draft has not address the "shared"
      secret provided by TCP MD5 draft.  [Sandy Murphy]

3) Route Reflector

     Move Route Reflector to Proposed Standard.

4) Confederation

     Suggestion that the changes are folded into
     the draft.  The changed BGP confederation
     draft will be forwarded into the mailing group.

5) Deployed code versus I-D  for BGP

    No MED, treat at 2**32.  One vendor's implementation
    will treat missing MED as zero.  Routing loops might be
    created in networks if the missing MED interpretation
    occurs.

    Like to see a clear example of the MED being zero
    causing loops.  [Andrew Partan]

    We are going to leave the draft at 2**32 for missing
    MED.

    Rich Woundy loaded a draft was that proposed this
    change.  We agreed to this change in Montreal and
    mail archive.  Curtis recommends we stand on the draft.
    Clear consensus on the draft.

6) Draft Standard on MIB

   MIB caught in 

7) Origin Authentication for BGP 

    slides: http://psg.com/~randy/980402.idr/

    This can be obviated by a IRR fast and scalable IRR.
    Randy needs a problem solution now.  Discussion
    ensued.  It is a non-goal for this proposal to 
    protect from malcious attack.
   
    Jay Hawkinson -  Please do not overload the AS syntax
    in the DNS.  Other suggestions were given to randy and
    the other authors on implementation or clarification of
    the draft.

    This does not replace the registry?

    No it is intended to solve the problem that
    filter lists do not scale the list.  No router vendors
    can put full access list into box.

    It is important to have both the allocation 
    hierarchy and the routing prefix hierarchy.

    Email on this topic can be sent to authors 
    or the mailing group.

8) Suggestion from the floor - no more IDR meetings
    in the morning.

Notes are ***rough***.  No authors have been
consulted.  Please send flames and comments
to [email-masked].

I'll fix the notes.

Sue Hares