Subject: [Idr] SAVE HER LIFE

From: "Achilike Chinedu" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 03:24:06 -0800

I am Achilike Chinedu, an orphaned riverine native of the Niger Delta (Nigeria) since 7 years old.A region immensely blessed with oil.We however survive on proceeds from seafood which has now been ravaged by incessant oil spillages.Consequently,i moved to the big city where i managed to secure an cursed job as a factory worker in an Indian run manufacturing company; having almost been twice amputated by the machine.
    The arrival of fifteen year old Mimi (my dear niece) who had just lost both parents in a communal clash over5 the siting of Niger Delta Development Commission (N.D.D.C, the government agency responsible for utilizing oil mproceeds to develop the immediate environment).
    Mimi was a bundle of joy as she was full of life and a source of inspiration to me.However, on the 25th of september, 2003, Mimi tasted yet another bitter pill of life.I had lost my job and the meargre salary i was being paid and was distraught; and decided to go on a drinking spree (though i am almost a tee to taler);hoping to evoke another bout of Hepatitis ( having suffered an infected Liver a month ago).I was in pains and was staggering and ended up in a gutter.
     Mimi was frantic on hearing and took off to my rescue.She was hit by yet another drunk driver and her Legs were badly mangled.Presently,she cannot walk.
     She needs to be flown abroad for specialist attention.The cost of her treatment is estimated at $8,000.00.I have no confidence in Non Governmental Organizations (N.G.O's) in Nigeria as they are all politicised.
     However, a few well meaning Nigerians are donating towards this course which we appreciate so much.
      Ifeel responsible for what happened to my dear Mimi, and it is a fact, and the only way to remedy this problem is by raising this money to treat her.The essence of life is to add value to the life of your fellow human beings.Kindly donate generously towards saving Mimi.It is not fair for her to suffer for my own mistake .
      Thanking You.
                                                                                                 Sincerely,
                                                                                                 Achilike Chinedu 

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From: "Achilike Chinedu" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] SAVE HER LIFE
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 03:24:06 -0800

                      I am Achilike Chinedu, an orphaned riverine native of the Niger Delta (Nigeria) since 7 years old.A region immensely blessed with oil.We however survive on proceeds from seafood which has now been ravaged by incessant oil spillages.Consequently,i moved to the big city where i managed to secure an cursed job as a factory worker in an Indian run manufacturing company; having almost been twice amputated by the machine.
    The arrival of fifteen year old Mimi (my dear niece) who had just lost both parents in a communal clash over5 the siting of Niger Delta Development Commission (N.D.D.C, the government agency responsible for utilizing oil mproceeds to develop the immediate environment).
    Mimi was a bundle of joy as she was full of life and a source of inspiration to me.However, on the 25th of september, 2003, Mimi tasted yet another bitter pill of life.I had lost my job and the meargre salary i was being paid and was distraught; and decided to go on a drinking spree (though i am almost a tee to taler);hoping to evoke another bout of Hepatitis ( having suffered an infected Liver a month ago).I was in pains and was staggering and ended up in a gutter.
     Mimi was frantic on hearing and took off to my rescue.She was hit by yet another drunk driver and her Legs were badly mangled.Presently,she cannot walk.
     She needs to be flown abroad for specialist attention.The cost of her treatment is estimated at $8,000.00.I have no confidence in Non Governmental Organizations (N.G.O's) in Nigeria as they are all politicised.
     However, a few well meaning Nigerians are donating towards this course which we appreciate so much.
      Ifeel responsible for what happened to my dear Mimi, and it is a fact, and the only way to remedy this problem is by raising this money to treat her.The essence of life is to add value to the life of your fellow human beings.Kindly donate generously towards saving Mimi.It is not fair for her to suffer for my own mistake .
      Thanking You.
                                                                                                 Sincerely,
                                                                                                 Achilike Chinedu 

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From: "Luisa Esatrada" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] A LETTER FROM PHILIPPINES!
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:39:35 +0000

Dear friend, 

It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and 
assistance in the context stated below: 

May I first introduce myself: I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada,the 
first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada(former head of state and 
President of Philippines) who is presently held in detention in a hospital 
outside manilla,Philippines. I got your contact 
from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable 
foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly 
deposited in my favour by my Husband. 

This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all 
documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for 
safe keeping. We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund 
abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it 
to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative 
investments in your country. 

However,the current administration of Gloria Arroyo(The President of 
Philippines) is seeking the death of my husband.In pursuit of this 
vendetta,the present Government have resolved to freeze all known 
assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad 
and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my 
Husband in Switzerland,UK and Australia. In fact, the attack on our 
family (The Estrada's) is so devastated to an extent of 
seizing our travelling passport,family accounts,trying some members of 
our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and 
even restrict us from seeing my husband. 

My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1.5 
million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my 
Husband. 
You can find this on; 
http://latelinenews.com/ps/english/29432.shtml 
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2001/0129/cover1.html 

We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and 
bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime. In view of 
this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival, our family 
trustee have secretly protected the deposit, you are to assits us 
travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid 
of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on. 

In the meantime,there is a travelling embargo on the family members and 
our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been 
bugged.For this reason,telephone conversation will not be an ideal 
means of communication because our calls will be recorded.We are 
currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to 
monitor and control our financial activities.
we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband. In view of 
this plight, I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to 
this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future.And if 
you agree to help, we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next 
correspondence after we have been acquainted. 

I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your 
co-operation. In view of all above details, I request you to keep this 
letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not 
interested. 
Best wishes, 

Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada. 

NB: 
Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact 
that all our phone lines have been bugged. 

If you are intrested in this proposal please send all further email 
correspondence to [email-masked]

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From: "Luisa Esatrada" <[email-masked]>
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To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Idr] A LETTER FROM PHILIPPINES!
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 06:54:07 +0000

Dear friend, 

It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and 
assistance in the context stated below: 

May I first introduce myself: I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada,the 
first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada(former head of state and 
President of Philippines) who is presently held in detention in a hospital 
outside manilla,Philippines. I got your contact 
from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable 
foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly 
deposited in my favour by my Husband. 

This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all 
documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for 
safe keeping. We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund 
abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it 
to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative 
investments in your country. 

However,the current administration of Gloria Arroyo(The President of 
Philippines) is seeking the death of my husband.In pursuit of this 
vendetta,the present Government have resolved to freeze all known 
assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad 
and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my 
Husband in Switzerland,UK and Australia. In fact, the attack on our 
family (The Estrada's) is so devastated to an extent of 
seizing our travelling passport,family accounts,trying some members of 
our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and 
even restrict us from seeing my husband. 

My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1.5 
million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my 
Husband. 
You can find this on; 
http://latelinenews.com/ps/english/29432.shtml 
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2001/0129/cover1.html 

We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and 
bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime. In view of 
this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival, our family 
trustee have secretly protected the deposit, you are to assits us 
travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid 
of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on. 

In the meantime,there is a travelling embargo on the family members and 
our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been 
bugged.For this reason,telephone conversation will not be an ideal 
means of communication because our calls will be recorded.We are 
currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to 
monitor and control our financial activities.
we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband. In view of 
this plight, I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to 
this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future.And if 
you agree to help, we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next 
correspondence after we have been acquainted. 

I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your 
co-operation. In view of all above details, I request you to keep this 
letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not 
interested. 
Best wishes, 

Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada. 

NB: 
Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact 
that all our phone lines have been bugged. 

If you are intrested in this proposal please send all further email 
correspondence to [email-masked]

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From: "Mario Dada" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] For Your Kind Attention
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:30:11

Mario  Dada
Arantes Security Services
Parque Empresarial Zuatzu
Edificio Urgull 2ª Planta - Local nº 10
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1. IDR Documents status update
   Y. Rekhter
   ===========   See slides

   IDR Charter Update
   Y. Rekhter
   =============   See Slides

2. draft-chavali-bgp-prefixlimit-00
   Sue Hares
   ================

   The intent of this proposal is to provide a mechanism by which both
   peers can become aware of a prefix limit.  If the number of prefixes
   approaches the known limit, both peers can provide warning to their
   respective operators, and even if the limit is reached, both devices
   can behave in a manner to preserve network stability until the
   operators can address the cause of the excessive prefix condition.
   In addition, the option to terminate the session is retained in order
   to protect the BGP receiver, if the BGP sender ignores the limit.

   The basic function proposed here is for a BGP receiver which
   implements a limit on the number of prefixes which it will accept (a
   "maximum prefix limit") to send an advertisement of that limit to its
   peer BGP sender, at the time the peering session is initiated.  That
   is, a BGP receiver configured with a maximum-prefix limit notifies
   its peer BGP sender of the limit, so that the sender should
   automatically restrict the number of prefixes it announces, in order
   to comply with the limit.

   Three level response:
      90% generates warning
      at 100%, BGP speaker stops sending
      at 110%, BGP listener drops session

John Scudder: Three functions could support this feature now. These are:
remote logging, ORF, inform. You might want to collapse these functions into
existing proposals (ORF, inform).

Hares: Inform is not widely deployed.

Binam(?): I am surprised that providers do not maintain explicit import
policies that prevent them from accepting every route that a customer might
advertise.

Hares: VPN providers may not maintain such policies. (Note that a service
provider is among the authors.)

Enke Chen: Dropping after prefix limit is exceeded is a bad idea. It is
better to disable AFI. Current implementations only have warning and action
level. Draft should also have 2 levels.

Scudder: You only need one number. A limit.

Ash: We need this.

Bonica: We need three numbers; warning, speaker stops sending and listener
drops session.

3. draft-chen-bgp-avoid-collision-00
   Enke Chen
   =================
   To simplify the BGP session bringup logic, in this document we
   propose a revision that allows a BGP speaker to play only the active
   or the passive role in establishing a BGP connection with another BGP
   speaker.  A BGP speaker determines whether it will play the active or
   passive role based on the AS numbers and/or the peering addresses
   involved.

   Backward compatiblility required.
   Gracefull restart required.

Yakov: According to the spec, you must send an notification if you close due
to collision

Enke: All implementations don't do that

Rajeesh Kumar: If server detects connection is gone, it has to wait for
client to re-establish.

Hares: could be misconfigured?

Enke: No, larger AS number is active

Gargi: Proabability of connection collision first time is high.

Hakkivori: ?????

Jeff Pickering: problem with tie breaker using remote access. you may not
know your source address

Enke: disagress

pickering: you don't know that peers source will be what you send

Alex Zinin: we will have to support the old code for years

Enke: do randomn backoff

Alex Zinin: are you assuming that you won't have to support the old code?

Dan Indrieden: Active passive decision should be configured, not determined

Raj: does this make a difference, since there are only a few implementations
of BGP

Scudder: this is backward compatible.

4. draft-py-idr-redisfilter-00
   Michel Py
   ====
   What this draft is:

   A mechanism to distribute filtering information. Bogon filtering is only
one example of filtering
   information. The objective is to standardize the mechanism.

   Idea: re-use ORF mechanisms. The ORF specifications are not modified;
what is required is a syntax
   enhancement that is mostly a matter of implementation.

Scudder: 1)maye you want to publish this and do it. There isn't any new
protocol to standardize. 2) Have you looked at Pedro Marques flowspec
document? 3) Is the single server a single point of failure, target for
malicious attack

5. draft-nalawade-bgp-soft-notify-00
   Gargi Nalawade, Keyur Patel, John Scudder, David Ward
   ===========================

   Currently there is no mechanism available for two BGP Speakers to
   communicate the occurrence of an error-condition other than through a
   BGP NOTIFICATION Message. The problem is that a NOTIFICATION message
   resets the peering session and terminates the connection. If a peer
   wants to gracefully recover from an error or wants to warn its peer
   about the occurrence of a BGP-related event, there is no mechanism
   currently available to do that.

   The proposed BGP SOFT-NOTIFICATION message is a mechanism to notify a
   remote peer of an error-condition or an event without resetting or
   terminating the BGP session. The purpose of this message is to
   provide the ability to soft-reset a particular AFI/SAFI without
   disrupting other BGP AFI/SAFIs or sections.

   - New Soft noticication message and soft notification ACK

   - Inform is for logging only; soft notification can also take an action

6. draft-nalawade-bgp-update-v2-00
   Gargi Nalawade, Himanshu Shah
   ======
   The current version of the BGP UPDATE Message has evolved from its
   original definition for IPv4 Unicast AFI/SAFI. The use of new
   AFI/SAFIs in BGP has caused the MP_REACH and MP_UNREACH attributes to
   be defined. But the attributes such as NEXTHOP still continued to
   apply only to IPv4 Unicast. It is only defined to carry an IPv4
   address. This has forced several workarounds over the years such as
   carrying the Nexthop corresponding to the AFI/SAFI inside the
   MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH attribute.

   Carrying non-IPv4 NLRIs in the MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH attribute itself
   is a workaround to the fact that the NLRI section only applies to
   IPv4 Unicast routes.

   Also, the current BGP UPDATE Message starts out as being generic such
   that it could apply to any AFI/SAFI - until an MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH
   section is encountered. Only then can it be decided whether to use
   the NEXTHOP attribute or the NEXTHOP encoded in the MP_REACH
   attribute as the applicable NEXTHOP.

   The MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH attribute needs to be successfully parsed to
   identify the AFI/SAFI to which the UPDATE Message applies. Thus, if
   there is an error in the section preceding the MP_REACH attribute,
   the whole BGP session and other AFI/SAFIs running on the same
   saession are impacted. This does not protect one AFI/SAFI from being
   impacted by the other AFI/SAFIs on the same session - in case of
   AFI/SAFI specific errors that make it impossible to parse the
   MP_REACH/ MP_UNREACH section.

   The proposed BGP UPDATE-v2 message proposes solving all of the
   above-mentioned problems. BGP UPDATE-v2 will enable separation of
   updates belonging to different AFI/SAFI and an error in attribute can
   be isolated to a particular AFI/SAFI.

7. draft-scudder-bgp-multisession
   John Scudder
   ======   This specification augments "Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4"
   by proposing a mechanism to allow multiple sessions to be used
   between a given pair of BGP speakers.  Each session is used to
   transport routes for one or more AFI/SAFI.  This provides an
   alternative to the current MP-BGP approach of multiplexing routes
   for all AFI/SAFI onto a single connection.

   Use of this approach is expected to increase the robustness of the
   BGP protocol as it is used to support more and more diverse AFI/SAFI.

Discussion on (5), (6), and (7).
================

Parantap: frightened by multiple afi/safis. frightened by amountof change 
to BGP.

Parantap: perhaps we could use reliable UDP, instead of making all
these changes to BGP.

Yakov: Would you be frightened by reliable UDP ?

Parantap: Then perhaps we could use unreliable UDP.

Yakov: Would you be frightened to use unreliable transport for
delivering incremental updates ?

Yakov: If folks are frightened by changes in BGP then
we should immediately stop the WG meeting, close the WG, and go
to the bar. That was greeted by a round of applause.

Scudder: design goal is to minimize number of changes to BGP

Gargi: ???/

Rahul: please compare and contrast the drafts? 2) Would like to see
discussion on percieved problem with multiple loopbacks. Why not?

Chavali: Confusion about deprication of existing notification messages.

Acee: Too many ways to group. Do we really need all of this flexibility?

Alex: if the length field is incorrect, can you trust the next PDU?

Yakov: if the legth field is incorrect, then Gargi's proposal
results in terminating BGP session for all the AFI/SAFI carried in the
session, thus failing to provide isolation among multiple AFI/SAFIs,
and therefore failing to provide isolation among different applications
that use BGP. In contrast, Scudder proposal does not have this problem as
different AFI/SAFI need not share the same BGP session.

Andrew Lang: ????

Enke: Passive active simplfies multiple session

Scudder: already simple, but wouldn make it worse

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From: Hunju Park <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std.
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:41 -0500 (EST)

Mareline,

> | If it can be configured to do so, then no.  If
thats the only way it
> | works, then yes, it would be a violation.
> 
> Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to
configure a "passive" peer? Will it not
> increase the convergence time in the network?

You may not always want to configure a "passive" peer,
sometimes it just becomes one. For eg. Consider two
routers A and B. 

A has two interfaces say, 3.3.3.3/24 and 4.4.4.4/24
while B has just one interface 2.2.2.2

I configure A as 
neighbor 2.2.2.2 remote-as X

while i configure B as 
neighbor 4.4.4.4 remote-as X

Now suppose that the best path for Router A to reach B
is through its 3.3.3.3 interface. This is possible
based on the IGP routes that one has in a network. If
this is so, then router A sends a TCP SYN destined to
2.2.2.2 from its interface 3.3.3.3.

B on the other hand, sends a TCP SYN to Router A from
2.2.2.2 to A's 4.4.4.4

B will reject the TCP request that it receives from A
as its not configured for 3.3.3.3

Thus there is only one way for A to establish a BGP
connection with router B and it is through the TCP
session that has been initiated by router B.

Thus router A acts as a passive peer and can only wait
for a connection that has been initiated from router
B. This is my understanding of the new FSM that has
been put forth in the new bgp draft.

Folks,

Extrapolating this further, an interesting scenario
will arise when because of some IGP routes both the
routers are able to reach each other through different
interfaces than what they are configured to peer with.

Eg. A tries to reach B thru 3.3.3.3, while router B
tries to contact router A thru some other interface,
say 5.5.5.5

Both will then act as passive peers as their active
TCP probe will be rejected by the other. How will then
the session take place? I guess we would need human
intervention then.

Regards,
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From: Hunju Park <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. 
To: Yakov Rekhter <[email-masked]>
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:16 -0500 (EST)

Yakov,

Thanks for responding, however i have a small doubt.
 
> According to the spec it is legal *as long as* each
> connection 
> uses distinct source or dest IP address (or both). 
> 

I would have understood had you said that its valid as
long as both sides use distinct source and dest IP
addresses. What i dont understand is how can it work
with just one side using a unique source IP or dest IP
address.

Lets assume Router A uses its two interfaces to
establish a BGP connection, while Router B just uses
one interface.

On Router B I can say,

neighbor 1.1.1.1 remote-as X
neighbor 2.2.2.2 remote-as X

where 1.1.1.1 and 2.2.2.2 both belong to A

But what will i define on Router A?

neighbor 3.3.3.3 remote-as Y
neighbor 3.3.3.3 remote-as Y

where i assume 3.3.3.3 belongs to Router B?

I can understand that the spec allows if both sides
use a distinct source and dest IP address. But how can
it work as the way you said.

Or maybe i missed your point.

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Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. 
From: Yakov Rekhter <[email-masked]>
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:21:36 -0800

Park,

> Hi,
> 
> I want to know if its legal to have two simulataneous
> connections between two BGP speakers.
> 
>  -------            -------
>  |      |--- . . -- |     |
>  |   A  |--- . . -- |  B  |
>  --------           --------

According to the spec it is legal *as long as* each connection 
uses distinct source or dest IP address (or both). 

Yakov.

> I know of one major vendor that allows that. IMHO this
> should not be allowed and BGP should check the ROuter
> ID when it receives the OPEN message and should ignore
> this if it already has a connection with a router
> having the same router ID.
> 
> This can also prevent it in situations when one of the
> routers in the domain is misconfigured with a wrong
> router ID. In full mesh case it can be detected as
> this router will not peer with the router having the
> same Router ID .. but this can create problems when
> you have Router Reflectors/Confederations/etc.
> 
> And if somebody is thinking of redundancy then he/she
> can use loopback addresses.
> 
> Any comments,
> Park
> 
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From: "Samuel Taylor" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] Appenzll
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:34:19 -0800

                                                                                   16th November 2003
Good Day,

   I wish to introduce myself to you. My name is  Samuel Taylor. I am the brother
to the president of Liberia Mr. Charles Taylor.Due to the present war in
my country Liberia, I wish to invest in Hotels and commercial properties
in your counry.Myself, wife and children managed to get on a Red Cross airplane
that was evacuating foreigners from the theatre of war in my country and
presently, we are in a refugee camp in a region called Appenzll on the Swiss
border.Your assistance and coopration is required as regards this project.

Please send an e-mail to me indicating your desire to help me and
my family invest this funds.

I await your positive response to my e-mail letter

God bless.

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From: "Dr Sam  Patrick" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] ATTENTION MY DEAR FRIEND
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 05:36:43 -0800

Dr Sam  Patrick

Lagos-Africa

16th November 2003

Dear Friend
 I, on behalf of my colleagues from different Federal Government of Nigeria owned parastatals decided to solicit your assistance as regards transfer of US$10,500,000.00 (Ten Million,five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) into your bank account.

These funds emanated from unclaimed contractual proceeds of foreign contracting firms who could not meet their financial obligations to their creditors.We,as holders of sensitive positions in our various parastatals, were mandated by the Federal Government to scrutinise all payments made to certain foreign contractors and we discovered that some of the contractors have not been paid their contractual entitlement which collectively left the sum of US$15,500,000.00 (Fiftheen Million, five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) lying in a suspended Account.  

However, from our investigations, we discovered that the foreign beneficiary companies have since been liquidated, and to all intents and purposes no longer exist in Nigeria, thus providing us with this opportunity, provided that we have a capable partner, to execute a transaction of this nature.

 We agreed that the said amount would be transferred into an overseas Bank Account to be provided by a reliable foreign firm/associate. This is because as serving Government workers the Civil Service Code does not allow us to operate foreign Account. In our initial attempt to do this, we succeeded in transferring part of this amount US$5m (Five Million Dollars) into a United States Dollar Account in Beirut, Lebanon, but our foreign associate failed to honour our mutual agreement insisting instead that the total amount be transferred into the Account before we can share the money.

 As a result, we have lost confidence in the ability of our Lebanese partner to see this matter to its logical conclusion, and until the initial transaction is satisfactorily resolved, we have cancelled further transactions with him. In the light of the foregoing, it is clear that we require a partner that is not only capable of rendering assistance and cooperation in executing this matter, but will honour the terms of agreement when we reach the concluding stages of this transaction.

 We therefore offer the amount of 20% of the entire sum in return for services/assistance rendered in successfully carrying out this project. We trust that you appreciate the sensitive nature of this matter and the need for initial caution on our part, but when a relationship is confidently established and operations commence you will be provided with all relevant information.
 I remain at your disposal to entertain any questions/enquiries relatingb to this proposition and you may contact me as a matter of urgency via e-mail, for further information on the procedures and requirements of this transaction.

In your reply, remember to indicate a safe telephone number where I can always reach you. Hope to hear from you soon. Please treat with the strictest confidentiality and expediency.

Yours faithfully,

Dr Sam  Patrick

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From: "Prince Sam Eguzo" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] ATTENTION MY DEAR FRIEND
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:49:50 -0800

Prince Sam Eguzo

Lagos-Africa

16th November 2003

Dear Friend
 I, on behalf of my colleagues from different Federal Government of Nigeria owned parastatals decided to solicit your assistance as regards transfer of US$10,500,000.00 (Ten Million,five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) into your bank account.

These funds emanated from unclaimed contractual proceeds of foreign contracting firms who could not meet their financial obligations to their creditors.We,as holders of sensitive positions in our various parastatals, were mandated by the Federal Government to scrutinise all payments made to certain foreign contractors and we discovered that some of the contractors have not been paid their contractual entitlement which collectively left the sum of US$15,500,000.00 (Fiftheen Million, five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) lying in a suspended Account.  

However, from our investigations, we discovered that the foreign beneficiary companies have since been liquidated, and to all intents and purposes no longer exist in Nigeria, thus providing us with this opportunity, provided that we have a capable partner, to execute a transaction of this nature.

 We agreed that the said amount would be transferred into an overseas Bank Account to be provided by a reliable foreign firm/associate. This is because as serving Government workers the Civil Service Code does not allow us to operate foreign Account. In our initial attempt to do this, we succeeded in transferring part of this amount US$5m (Five Million Dollars) into a United States Dollar Account in Beirut, Lebanon, but our foreign associate failed to honour our mutual agreement insisting instead that the total amount be transferred into the Account before we can share the money.

 As a result, we have lost confidence in the ability of our Lebanese partner to see this matter to its logical conclusion, and until the initial transaction is satisfactorily resolved, we have cancelled further transactions with him. In the light of the foregoing, it is clear that we require a partner that is not only capable of rendering assistance and cooperation in executing this matter, but will honour the terms of agreement when we reach the concluding stages of this transaction.

 We therefore offer the amount of 20% of the entire sum in return for services/assistance rendered in successfully carrying out this project. We trust that you appreciate the sensitive nature of this matter and the need for initial caution on our part, but when a relationship is confidently established and operations commence you will be provided with all relevant information.
 I remain at your disposal to entertain any questions/enquiries relatingb to this proposition and you may contact me as a matter of urgency via e-mail, for further information on the procedures and requirements of this transaction.

In your reply, remember to indicate a safe telephone number where I can always reach you. Hope to hear from you soon. Please treat with the strictest confidentiality and expediency.

Yours faithfully,

Prince Sam Eguzo

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From: Hunju Park <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections ..
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 -0500 (EST)

Hi,

I want to know if its legal to have two simulataneous
connections between two BGP speakers.

 -------            -------
 |      |--- . . -- |     |
 |   A  |--- . . -- |  B  |
 --------           --------

I know of one major vendor that allows that. IMHO this
should not be allowed and BGP should check the ROuter
ID when it receives the OPEN message and should ignore
this if it already has a connection with a router
having the same router ID.

This can also prevent it in situations when one of the
routers in the domain is misconfigured with a wrong
router ID. In full mesh case it can be detected as
this router will not peer with the router having the
same Router ID .. but this can create problems when
you have Router Reflectors/Confederations/etc.

And if somebody is thinking of redundancy then he/she
can use loopback addresses.

Any comments,
Park

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From: "BARRISTER. ROTIMI EMMANUEL" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] I NEED YOU FULL CO-OPERATION PLEASE !!!
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:55:01 -0800

ROTIMI EMMANUEL. & ASSOCIATE
SOLICITORS & ADVOCATES
NO 47 OPEBI ROAD IKEJA
LAGOS NIGERIA.

Dear Sir/Madam,

Before I start,I must first Apologies for this
unsolicited mail to you.I am aware that this is
certainly an unconventional approach to starting a
relationship but as time goes on you will realize
the need for my action.

My name is ROTIMI EMMANUEL. a Solicitor and the
personal Attorney to the Executive Director of an
oil company from your country, who worked in
conjuction with an Oil company in Nigeria to execute a contract which was awarded to them.Here in after referred to as my Client.

On the 21st of April 1999,my client,his wife and
their three children were involved in a Ghastly motor
accident along Sagamu Express road.My Client and his
entire family unfortunately lost their lives in the
accident.Since then I have made several enquiries to
your Embassy to locate any of my Client's extended
relatives which has proved abortive.After these
several unsuccessful attempts, hence the need to
contact you.

My main reason for contacting you is to assist me in
repatriating the money and properties left behind by
my Client before they are confiscated or declared
unservicable by the bank where they are deposited
and lodged.Particularly the Union Bank PLC where the
deceased has a fixed sum of Nineteen Million United
States Dollars.

The said bank has issued me a final notice to
provide the next of kin of my Client or they will be
left with no other choice than to confiscate his
funds.

Since I have been unsuccessful in locating my
clients relatives for the past two years I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin of my client,going by the fact that you are from the same country, that the said fund as stated above i.e the sum of Nineteen million United States Dollars can be paid to you instead of leaving for it for Central Bank Of Nigeria,we can take part of it and leave the rest for Charity.

I have all necessary legal documents that can be
used to back up any claim we may make.All I require is
your honest co-operation to enable us see this
arrangement through.

I guarantee that this will be executed under a
legitimate arrangement that will protect you from
any breach of the law.Please reply by this email address above.

Finally kindly give me your confidential Phone and
fax numbers so that I can communicate with you easily.

Best regards,
BARRISTER. ROTIMI EMMANUEL .

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From: Alvaro Retana <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP-4 Implementation Report 
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:11:58 -0800 (PST)

By popular demand, I just published some extra formats: ;-)

ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.txt
ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.pdf
ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.csv
ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.html

Note that the html version didn't come out too good (some of the lines
don't seem to show up for me using Netscape), but at least people can read
it.

If possible, I would prefer either xls/csv or txt with the data to be
processed.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:20 -0500

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The MIB implementation reports
should be sent to me by 2 weeks from
today (11/27).

Sue Hares 

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One of the requirements for the BGP-4 standardization
is an implementation report for version 1 of the BGP MIB.

Implementers of the BGP v1 MIB can fill out the
survey at www.ndzh.com/idr  (or the file attached).

Please send these surveys plus a MIB walk to
[email-masked]. 

Sue Hares

 <<bgp mib checklist1.txt>> 
A Major part of this check list comes from our mib doctor:
Sharon Chisholm at Nortel Networks. 

Sharon Chisholm <[email-masked]>
jeff hass [email-masked] 

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From: "Tafa Momoh" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] Urgent Assistance
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Mr. Tafa Momoh
Habinson International Trust Bank PLC
Plot 190, Ajose Adeogun Street, 
Victoria Island, Lagos.

ATTN: MD/CEO

I am  Mr. James Okoro Director, Foreign Operations
with Habinson International Trust Bank, 
Victoria Island Branch, Lagos,  Nigeria.

I have an urgent and very profitable business
proposition for you that should be handled with
extreme confidentiality.

On January 6,1998 a Foreign Oil Consultant and
contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum
Corporation (NNPC) Mr. James Herbert by name made a 
numbered time Fixed Deposit for twelve calendar months
valued at US$10.6M (Ten Million, Six Hundred
United States Dollars Only) in my branch.

Upon maturity I sent a routine notification in
accordance with the Bank policy to his forwarding
address but got no reply.

After a month we sent a reminder and finally we
discovered from his contract employers the Nigerian
National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) that Mr. James
Herbert died from an automobile accident.

On further investigation, we found out that he died
without making a Will and all attempts to trace his
next of kin was fruitless. I therefore made further
investigations and discovered that Mr. James Herbert
did not declare any next of kin or relations in all
his official documents including his Bank Deposit
paperwork in my Bank.

This sum of US$10.6M has been carefully  moved out of
my bank to a Security Company in Europe for
safekeeping.

No one will ever come forward to claim it and
according to Nigerian Law, at the expiration of 5
years the money will revert to the ownership of the
Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the
fund.

This prompted us to contact you.We will like to front
you as the next of kin of our late client thereby
making you the legal beneficiary of the sum of $38.6
million U.S Dollars that is presently in a Security
Company in Europe. 

I contacted you because it is against our code of
ethics to own and operate foreign accounts and your
assistance would be needed to claim the money in the
Security Company in Europe.

We have unanimously agreed that 25% of the entire sum
would be for you if you agree to take part in this
profitable transaction,70% for me and 2 of my
colleagues while the remaining 5% would be used to pay
back the expenses that may be incurred during the
course of the transaction by both parties after the
fund has been claimed and lodged in your account. 

In the event that you are genuinely interested in the
transaction,the following information would be needed
from you to expedite action.

1) Your Full Name and Address that would be used to
establish you as the next of kin of our late client
thereby making you the legal beneficiary of the fund.
This would ensure that the Security Company in Europe
releases the Consignment/Fund to you. 

2) Your Private Mobile,Telphone and Fax numbers where
you can be reached at all time because this
transaction entails constant communication.

The transaction is 100% risk free as all modalities
has been perfected to ensure the hitch free success of
the transaction.

If you are interested, send the requested information
via email number stated below so that we can proceed.      

I await your response urgently.

Regards,

Mr.Tafa Momoh
Director, Foreign Operations

With best regards,
Tafa Momoh
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<FONT color=#FF0000><B>Habinson International Trust Bank PLC</B></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT color=#FF0000><B>Plot 190, Ajose Adeogun Street, </B></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT color=#FF0000><B>Victoria Island, Lagos.</B></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT color=#FF0000><B>I am&nbsp; Mr. James Okoro Director, Foreign Operations</B></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT color=#FF0000><B>with Habinson International Trust Bank, </B></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT color=#FF0000><B>Victoria Island Branch, Lagos,&nbsp; Nigeria.</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<FONT color=#FF0000><B>&nbsp;</B></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>
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<DIV>
<FONT color=#FF0000><B>extreme confidentiality.</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<FONT color=#FF0000><B>&nbsp;</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<FONT color=#FF0000><B>On January 6,1998 a Foreign Oil Consultant and</B></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>
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<FONT color=#FF0000><B>&nbsp;</B></FONT></DIV>
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Subject: [Idr] Agenda and presentations
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:16 -0500

Hi all:

The IDR agenda and presentations for the 11/13/03 meeting
at 1-3pm are posted on the web site:

	www.ndzh.com/idr

The web site is my personal web site.  Any complaints
should to me ([email-masked]).

I've posted the presentations ahead of time so that
you can pre-view the topics.  The presenters may modify
the presentations (slightly) based on conversations here
at the IETF.    I will re-post any changed presentations
and send mail to the list.

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Subject: [Idr] BGP v1 MiB implementation report
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One of the requirements for the BGP-4 standardization
is an implementation report for version 1 of the BGP MIB.

Implementers of the BGP v1 MIB can fill out the
survey at www.ndzh.com/idr  (or the file attached).

Please send these surveys plus a MIB walk to
[email-masked]. 

Sue Hares

 <<bgp mib checklist1.txt>> 
A Major part of this check list comes from our mib doctor:
Sharon Chisholm at Nortel Networks. 

Sharon Chisholm <[email-masked]>
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From: Alvaro Retana <[email-masked]>
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cc: Susan Hares <[email-masked]>, Yakov Rekhter <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Idr] BGP-4 Implementation Report
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:06:09 -0800 (PST)

Hi!

This e-mail is to start the process of collecting information to be able
to create an Implementation Report of BGP-4.  As all of you know, an
implementation report is a necessary step to advance the current BGP-4
draft.

I have compiled the requirements (rfc2119) from the latest draft into a
spreadsheet.  Please download the spreadsheet, fill it out and send it
back to me -- I will compile all the answers and publish an ID later on.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-22.txt
ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.xls

Due to the length of the latest ID and the number of items, an Excel
spreasheet was the easiest way to present the information (and later
process it).  If you need a different format, please let me know.

BTW, we're shooting for the end of the month (Nov/26 -- right before
Thanksgiving here in the US) to start compiling the information, so please
turn it your data by then.

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Subject: [Idr] Want To Make Your Brain Soak Up Information Like A Sponge?
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						<font face="Verdana" size="+1" color="White"><i><b>Studying for 90 mins after listening to the CD <Br>will be equivalent to 8 hours of normal study!</b></i></font>
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										<b><font face="Verdana" size="+2" color="Red">Good News For The New Year !!</font></b>
										<br><font face="Verdana" size="2">The long awaited release of the CD program called <b>Soak Up Information like a Sponge !</b> is finally here!</font>
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								<td colspan=2><font face="Verdana" size="+1"><b>"Learn The Secrets Of Absorbing Information You Read Or Study Readily and Easily For Immediate and Accurate Recall"</b></font></td>
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						<br><font face="Verdana" size="2">This CD helps you program yourself for success and you will remember any information you read, see, hear about or receive in any format. It is great  for students and also working adults alike. In today's information age, we need all the help that we can get to excel in this area. Instead of trying to cram more information into your overfilled, overtired brain, why not lie back and let your brain do the work for you ? <b>Studying for 90 mins after listening to the CD will be equivalent to 8 hours of normal study</b> ! </font>
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						<br>&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp;<font face="Verdana" size="+1" color="Blue"><b>Listening To This CD Will : </b></font>
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							<li><font face="Verdana" size="2" color="Navy"><b>And most importantly, it will <b>Make Your Brain Soak Up Information Like a Sponge !</b></b></font>
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							<b>Media Article : Visitors to the National Library Book Fair 'soak up' release of new, amazing CD, ' Soak Up Information Like A Sponge'.</b>
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							<br><b><u>Not Just Targeted at Young Readers</u></b>
							<br>Initially targeted at young readers and the school going audience, many adults were also grabbing copies of the CD, which also helps to take you safely and easily into a state of incredibly deep and pleasurable relaxation, and thus Lowers stress levels immediately and allows levels of harmful stress hormones to normalize.

							<br><br><b><u>Read what Ms Anita has to say</u></b>
							<br>Ms. Anita who was one of the first few to get herself a copy said, 'It is very relaxing and I am feeling very good now. ' She is awaiting her 'O' level results and wished she had a copy of it a few months ago while she was studying for her exams. She felt that it would have allowed her to sail through easily and would have helped her get better grades.
							
							<br><br><b><u>Opens You To A Whole New Learning Experience</u></b>
							<br>This CD helps you program yourself for success and you will remember all information you read, see, hear about or receive in any format. It is great for students and also working adults alike. In today's information age, we need all the help that we can get to excel in this area.
							
							<br><br><b><u>Feedback from The Director of Education</u></b>
							<br>Mr. Manson, a Director of Education with one of the leading private schools said that he is considering ordering a copy for all his students as part of their welcome orientation package. This order could be as large as 3,000 copies every 3 months for his school.
							
							<br><br><b><u>Doubtful about the effectiveness and results?</u></b>
							<br>In all the bash, some people were not that excited about the launch. Tina for one said, ' I think that most people may use the CD once or twice, but after that they will not. So I wonder whether it will be that beneficial. '
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									<br><font face="Verdana" size=2>We spoke to the creator of the CD, Pal, PhD(c) and he mentioned that though each and every single independent use is effective, but to have a permanent effect, a person needs to use it regularly for at least 21 to 28 days. Then a tremendous positive change will be seen and the person <b>will not only be more creative, less stressed but in general show a progress in all facets of life.</b></font>
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In message <[email-masked]>, Mareline Sheld
on writes:
>  
> | If it can be configured to do so, then no.  If thats the only way it
> | works, then yes, it would be a violation.
> 
> Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a
> "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the network?
> 
> Regards,
> Mareline S.

In really ancient times this was done as needed for bug avoidance
(back as far as the BGP2/3 days).

Today's routers are a lot less buggy and also better behaved as far as
BGP convergence is concerned.  Some routers still may behave better on
cold startup if all of the BGP sessions are not brought up at once,
particularly edge routers with a large number of EBGP sessions.

The answers used to be bug avoidance and to impact the order of
sessions coming up (ie: tendency for IBGP to come up before EBGP).

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 > Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a
 > "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the
 > network?

Nope ... just the opposite :).

For starter see draft-chen-bgp-avoid-collision-00.txt

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:07 -0800 (PST)

| If it can be configured to do so, then no.  If thats the only way it
| works, then yes, it would be a violation.

Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a "passive" peer? Will it not
increase the convergence time in the network?

Regards,
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From: Curtis Villamizar <[email-masked]>
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:41 -0500

In message <[email-masked]>, Mareline Sheld
on writes:
> Hi,
> 
> If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a re
> mote external
> peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going
>  against the RFC.
> I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can thi
> s really be
> called "violating the standards" ?
> 
> Just curious,
> Regards,
> Mareline S.

If it can be configured to do so, then no.  If thats the only way it
works, then yes, it would be a violation.

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Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer 
From: Curtis Villamizar <[email-masked]>
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:07 -0500

In message <[email-masked]>, John Smith
 writes:
> Curtis,
>  
> | This is the common practice.  For N other routers in the IGP you have
> | N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are
> | confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors.
> 
> Really? 
> 
> Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my network? I am a
> ware of a
> couple of them which dont.
> 
> And anyway, even if i put all of them in a full mesh or use RR, i still depen
> d upon my
> IGPs to lead my RR to the correct clients/non clients. Which basically was my
>  confusion.
>   
> John
> 
> | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of
> | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive
> | into a book on routing.

John,

I'm not sure what you are arguing.

It is common practice to run BGP over your IGP.  It is common practice
to run BGP on all routers.  RR is frequeently used.

Some people would like to get BGP out of the core using MPLS/TE but
that AFAIK is not yet a widespread practice.

There are some routers that don't need to run BGP.  Some are on the
edges (and can use a default route or default conditional on IGP
routing).

Perhaps you misread what I was indicating was common practice.

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CC: Mareline Sheldon <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std.
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:05:57 -0500

This dialogue is currently a little loose in its use of terminology.

The concept of a passive peer is a configuration option and would ideally
be configurable on a peer-pair basis. In other words you could configure
one peer to be passive relative to one or more other peers specifically.

An implementation that arbitrarily (i.e. - for some unspecified reason)
chooses to behave passively relative to another peer introduces the very
real possibility of having two such peers arbitrarily deciding to behave in
a passive way toward each other.  These two BGP speakers would never
actually peer with each other.

>From this, you can see that there would be a problem with the notion of a
strictly passive peer in general. It would not be able to peer with any other
passive BGP speaker.  In order for such a BGP speaker to participate in
a network with other BGP speakers, all other speakers with which it is
supposed to peer would have to be active.

--
Eric

Jeffrey Haas wrote:

> The current BGP state machine has the concept of a "passive" peer.
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800, Mareline Sheldon wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external
> > peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC.
> > I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be
> > called "violating the standards" ?
> >
> > Just curious,
> > Regards,
> > Mareline S.
>
> --
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Subject: RE: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer
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From: "Michel Py" <[email-masked]>
To: "John Smith" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:23:38 -0800

> John Smith wrote:
> We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors
> from which we learn reachability about other networks/destinations.
> Isnt this a little odd? A routing protocol (BGP) is building up its
> routing database and is dependent upon another routing protocol
> (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so?

I don't see what's odd about it. Airplanes are flying machines; however
they need airports and runways which are terrestrial infrastructures.
It's not odd, it's the way it is and has always been (at least for what
I can remember).

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To: =?iso-8859-1?q?John Smith?= <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer
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[ Just so you don't think Curtis' opinion is an isolated one.]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, John Smith wrote:

> Curtis,
>
> | This is the common practice.  For N other routers in the IGP you
> | have N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number
> | are confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route
> | reflectors.
>
> Really?

Yes.

> Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my
> network? I am aware of a couple of them which dont.

Depends on the design.

> | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of
> | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to
> | dive into a book on routing.

Yes, really.

Tony

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Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:07 -0500

The current BGP state machine has the concept of a "passive" peer.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800, Mareline Sheldon wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external
> peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC.
> I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be
> called "violating the standards" ?
> 
> Just curious,
> Regards,
> Mareline S.

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From: Mareline Sheldon <[email-masked]>
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:02:32 -0800 (PST)

Hi,

If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external
peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC.
I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be
called "violating the standards" ?

Just curious,
Regards,
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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John Smith?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:13:56 +0000 (GMT)

Curtis,
 
| This is the common practice.  For N other routers in the IGP you have
| N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are
| confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors.

Really? 

Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my network? I am aware of a
couple of them which dont.

And anyway, even if i put all of them in a full mesh or use RR, i still depend upon my
IGPs to lead my RR to the correct clients/non clients. Which basically was my confusion.
  
John

| As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of
| discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive
| into a book on routing.

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Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer 
From: Curtis Villamizar <[email-masked]>
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:24 -0500

In message <[email-masked]>, John Smith 
writes:
> Hi,
>  
> We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors from which w
> e learn
> reachability about other networks/destinations. Isnt this a little odd? A rou
> ting
> protocol (BGP) is building up its routing database and is dependent upon anot
> her
> routing protocol (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so?
> 
> I mean, when we configure neighbor x.y.z.w remote-as MY_ASNUM for IBGP peerin
> g, x.y.z.w 
> need not be a directly connected neighbor. I may need to traverse multiple ho
> ps to reach
> it. The path which i take depends upon what has been constructed by the IGPs 
> at each hop.
> Thus, we BGP depends upon an IGP to build up its RIB.
>  
>  Am I missing something?
>  
>  Regards,
>  John Smith

This is the common practice.  For N other routers in the IGP you have
N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are
confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors.

As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of
discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive
into a book on routing.

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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John Smith?= <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:44:04 +0000 (GMT)

Hi,
 
We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors from which we learn
reachability about other networks/destinations. Isnt this a little odd? A routing
protocol (BGP) is building up its routing database and is dependent upon another
routing protocol (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so?

I mean, when we configure neighbor x.y.z.w remote-as MY_ASNUM for IBGP peering, x.y.z.w 
need not be a directly connected neighbor. I may need to traverse multiple hops to reach
it. The path which i take depends upon what has been constructed by the IGPs at each hop.
Thus, we BGP depends upon an IGP to build up its RIB.
 
 Am I missing something?
 
 Regards,
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Subject: [Idr] draft-chen-bgp-avoid-transition-00.txt
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Enke, Srihari, et. al:

I have some questions about draft-chen-bgp-avoid-transition-00.txt.
I'm glad to see this draft since there are implementations out there
using the route-selection algorithm this draft proposes, and since the
proposed algorith is not what is documented in RFC1771 or in
draft-ietf-idr-bgr4-22.txt section 9.1.2.2.

First, is it the intent of this draft that the proposed algorithm 
should *replace* the algorithm currently documented, or just that
it be added as an option?

Second, while I think the claim in 5.1 that the proposed algorithm
avoids an unnecessary best path transition is quite straightforward,
there ought to be some discussion of concerns that have been expressed
about the consequent lack of determinism in route selection.  See
for example section 7.1.4 of draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-experience-protocol-03.txt
and appendix A of "Guidelines for Interdomain Traffic Engineering" by
Feamster, Borkenhagen, and Rexford.  I'm not personally convinced
that this local indeterminism is a real big deal, but I do think it
needs some discussion in your draft.

Third, I found the argument at 5.2 to the effect that the proposed
algorithm reduces route oscillation a bit unclear.  Maybe just a bit
more text is needed, but it seems to me that the really essential
ingredient in your setup in figure 1 and figure 2 is not the router
ID, but the high intracluster IGP metric.  Indeed, though you cite
RFC3345, that work focuses on IGP metrics, not router ID, as a
critical factor for "type 1" oscillation scenarios (yours appears to
be a type 1 variant.)  If adjusting IGP metrics is sufficient to fix
both your oscillation scenario and other type 1 scenarios, but
shifting from Router ID selection to the proposed time-of-arrival
algorithm is not sufficient for type 1 scenarios in general, then the
contribution of the proposed algorithm to the route oscillation
problem does not seem very decisive.  On the other hand, if using the
proposed time-of-arrival algorithm yields a general solution to
oscillation problems, then this reader at least did not get that from
the draft as currently written.

I'm glad you folks wrote this draft.  I hope it's clear that I'm
not against your proposal, but rather want to address some gaps
in my own understanding of the issues that surround it.

- Tom Barron

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Subject: Re: [Idr] Would one AS announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? 
From: Curtis Villamizar <[email-masked]>
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In message <[email-masked]>, Hongwei Zhang writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I wonder if, in practice, two BGP speakers within the same AS would 
> announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? If 
> this could happen, I wonder if it is a common practice or not?
> 
> Thanks and have a nice weekend,
> 
> Hongwei

If you mean different next hop, that happens all the time.  Most
prefix are announced 2-5 times into a given IBGP.

If you mean different AS path, that happens too if the announcing AS
is using IGP cost as a matter of preference and has diffent private
peering near your peerings.  This doesn't happen as often but does
happen and almost any AS can find a lot of these cases.

Is there a reason for the question?

Curtis

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From: Hongwei Zhang <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] Would one AS announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination?
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:09 -0500

Hi,

I wonder if, in practice, two BGP speakers within the same AS would 
announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? If 
this could happen, I wonder if it is a common practice or not?

Thanks and have a nice weekend,

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From: "Parag Deshpande" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:20:15 -0600

Yup I agree on all counts - thought the same. 

Thanks for all the help.
Parag

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Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates

> 
> On Nov 7, 2003, at 9:51 AM, Parag Deshpande wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB.
> > I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be 
> > part of
> > initial routing updates.
> 
> No, BGP does not (as has been mentioned already).  I can't think
> of a reason why an implementation would want to "disallow" updates
> during initial synchronization, though I CAN think of reasons why
> they'd better accept them.
> 
> >
> > In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving
> > End-Of-RIB.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> -danny
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From: Danny McPherson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:09:02 -0700

On Nov 7, 2003, at 9:51 AM, Parag Deshpande wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB.
> I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be 
> part of
> initial routing updates.

No, BGP does not (as has been mentioned already).  I can't think
of a reason why an implementation would want to "disallow" updates
during initial synchronization, though I CAN think of reasons why
they'd better accept them.

>
> In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving
> End-Of-RIB.

Yes.

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From: "Susan Hares" <[email-masked]>
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Cc: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Idr] Updated Agenda for IETF
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:55 -0500

Here's the Agenda:

1. IDR Documents status update (5 mins)
   S. Hares & Y. Rekhter
    
2. draft-chavali-bgp-prefixlimit-00.txt (15 mins)
   Luyuan Fang, Sue Hares, Srikanth Chavali

3. draft-chen-bgp-avoid-collision-00.txt (15 mins)
   Enke Chen, Jenny Yuan 

4. draft-py-idr-redisfilter-00.txt (15 mins)
   Jeroen Massar, Rob Thomas, Team Cymru, William Leibzon, Michel Py 

5. draft-nalawade-bgp-soft-notify-00.txt  (15 mins)
   Gargi Nalawade, Keyur Patel, John Scudder, David Ward
  
6. draft-nalawade-bgp-update-v2-00.txt  (15 mins)
   Gargi Nalawade, Himanshu Shah

7. draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt (15 minutes) 
   John Scudder
ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/jgs/draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt

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To: "Parag Deshpande" <[email-masked]>
From: "John G. Scudder" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates
Cc: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:30:15 -0500

At 10:51 AM -0600 11/7/03, Parag Deshpande wrote:
>Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB.
>I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of
>initial routing updates.

No, it doesn't.

>In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving
>End-Of-RIB.

Yes, it should.

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From: Jeffrey Haas <[email-masked]>
To: Parag Deshpande <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:18 -0500

IMO, this is an implementation detail.

The "initial blast of routes" is intended to bring the BGP peer
in synch as quickly as possible.  However, you also don't want
to delay convergence too much.  Thus, if you need to send a withdraw
for something you've sent, and you're not done with the intitial
blast, go ahead.

Theoretically the Min*Timers will keep this from being too much of
an issue.

On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:51:03AM -0600, Parag Deshpande wrote:
> Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB.
> I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of
> initial routing updates.
> 
> In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving
> End-Of-RIB.
> 
> Thanks
> Parag

-- 
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From: "Parag Deshpande" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:51:03 -0600

Hi,

Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB.
I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of
initial routing updates.

In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving
End-Of-RIB.

Thanks
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From: "John G. Scudder" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Idr] Multisession BGP draft
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:37:10 -0500

Folks,

We've requested a slot at next week's IDR meeting to talk about 
draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt.  As we missed the cutoff by a 
good bit, there's a version available here:

ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/jgs/draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt

It will be available there until the draft makes it into the regular 
Internet Drafts repository.

The abstract is as follows:

    This specification augments "Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4" [MP-
    BGP] by proposing a mechanism to allow multiple sessions to be used
    between a given pair of BGP speakers.  Each session is used to
    transport routes for one or more AFI/SAFI.  This provides an
    alternative to the current [MP-BGP] approach of multiplexing routes
    for all AFI/SAFI onto a single connection.

    Use of this approach is expected to increase the robustness of the
    BGP protocol as it is used to support more and more diverse AFI/SAFI.

See you in Minneapolis.

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Subject: RE: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt
From: "Susan Hares" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:21 -0500

Folks,

A couple queries have arrived asking if this is 
a "normal" review of the document.  Yep, please
review both the mechanisms and the "text" describing
the mechanisms (of the message below).

Sue 

========Original message text=======Folks,

This is to start the IDR Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt.
The scope of this Last Call is to confirm that the BGP-related
mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt
use the existing BGP mechanisms that are either (a) RFCs, or
(b) the IDR WG Internet Drafts.
  
The BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt
have been summarized in draft-rosen-l3vpn-2547bis-protocol-00.txt, and 
specifically on Section 2 of that draft.

The Last Call ends Nov 18, 2003.

Sue & Yakov.

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Subject: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt
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Folks,

This is to start the IDR Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt.
The scope of this Last Call is to confirm that the BGP-related
mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt
use the existing BGP mechanisms that are either (a) RFCs, or
(b) the IDR WG Internet Drafts.
  
The BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt
have been summarized in draft-rosen-l3vpn-2547bis-protocol-00.txt, and 
specifically on Section 2 of that draft.

The Last Call ends Nov 18, 2003.

Sue & Yakov.

P.S. The Last Call is done at the request of the Routing AD (Alex Zinin).

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From: Danny McPherson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Idr] draft-mcpherson-grow-bgp-med-considerations-00.txt
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:58:21 -0700

Folks,
We plan to progress this in GROW but feedback from this
WG is welcome.

The current version of the draft is available here:

http://www.tcb.net/draft-mcpherson-grow-bgp-med-considerations-00.txt

We'll submit to [email-masked] as soon as the submission
window is reopened.

Thanks!

-danny

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From: "--Ca-Books--" <[email-masked]>
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 05:59:53 -0500

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