Subject: RE: from the horse's mouth

From: "Gray, Eric" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:59:00 -0300

Avri,

	Interestingly enough, assuming there was such a separate
list - say with ISOC - how would anyone be able to know that it
exists and is the appropriate place to post such comments? Also,
how would the average IETF WG participant know to look through
the archives for such a list if they needed to recover context
of related discussion?

	Would we need to ammend the TAO everytime we think of a
new topic for discussion, or is there a discussion group list
that masters all such lists in the IETF and ISOC?

--
Eric

--> -----Original Message-----
--> From: [email-masked] 
--> [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of
--> Avri Doria
--> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 4:24 PM
--> To: [email-masked]
--> Subject: Re: from the horse's mouth 
--> 
--> 
--> 
--> On 29 okt 2005, at 15.40, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
--> 
--> >>
--> >> Amorality among scientists, engineers, and technologists has  
--> >> gotten the
--> >> world into a lot of trouble.  I prefer to think about the  
--> >> consequences
--> >> of what I do.
--> >>
--> >
--> > I think we all do, and I think it's one of the reasons 
--> why I felt  
--> > Jefsey's accusations of provinciality and blinkeredness to be  
--> > deeply insulting as well as incoherent.
--> 
--> I am not sure what he did other then send 2 pointers to articles.   
--> Don't quite understand how this might be insulting.
--> 
--> I do think there are two interesting questions:
--> 
--> - is the IETF community interested in discussions about the social  
--> implications of the technology we develop
--> 
--> - is the IETF general list the right place for those discussions.
--> 
--> I for one am interested in the topic  and think it is 
--> important for  
--> any tehcnological group to take a view of its social 
--> responsibility.  
--> But i am not sure that this list is the right place - 
--> though I don't  
--> mind since I can skip threads that don't interest (or bother)  me,  
--> but experience shows that not everyone is able to do so.  
--> and to some  
--> people the topic is irrelevant.
--> 
--> So perhaps an ISOC list, or a specific IETF social issues 
--> list would  
--> be better.  At least on such a list everyone would be 
--> participating  
--> willingly.
--> 
--> a.
--> 
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