Subject: RE: Pro SPAM WG: How security could benefit from high volume spam

From: "Gray, Eric" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:30:46 -0500

You'll need to work very hard to get the WG action items 
completed by April 1, 2006. 

--> -----Original Message-----
--> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] 
--> On Behalf Of Peter Dambier
--> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:32 AM
--> To: JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
--> Cc: [email-masked]; Hadmut Danisch
--> Subject: Pro SPAM WG: How security could benefit from high 
--> volume spam
--> 
--> A WG?
--> 
--> Karin and me are interested.
--> 
--> JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
--> > At 23:10 14/12/2005, Hadmut Danisch wrote:
--> > 
--> >> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:46:42PM +0100, Frank Ellermann wrote:
--> >> >
--> >> > The best way to hide a signal is noise, is that's your idea ?
--> >> > Makes sense from my POV.
--> >>
--> >>
--> >> Not necessarily the _best_ way, but one that works under many
--> >> circumstances.
--> >> Some questions are:
--> >> How do we deal with the total surveillance?
--> >> Do anti-spam measures make surveillance easier?
--> 
--> No, I dont want to bash the one and only root again, but never did I
--> receive any SPAM an my [email-masked] address.
--> 
--> This too could improve our position. Which root does the 
--> guy use - or
--> has he simply freaked his /etc/hosts?
--> 
--> Hadmut, I agree with your idea and I switched my spam 
--> filter off from all
--> my GMX mail accounts. They are worthless anyhow, because I 
--> permanently
--> have to read the spam folder to find lost emails. I still 
--> have to fight
--> sorbs, because they dont even accept my own emails from my host
--> echnaton.serveftp.com wich has a dynamic ip.
--> 
--> > 
--> > 
--> > Hadmut,
--> > not much success with your suggestion! Too much European 
--> centric at the 
--> > moment. Your proposition is of real interest as part of a 
--> picture to 
--> > study the noise as a general protection (conflicting 
--> information, spam, 
--> > revamping web sites 1000 times a day, meta-spam, tags, 
--> EUCD, civilrights 
--> > protection, bandwidth cost, site legal registration, 
--> multiligualism, 
--> > debate orientation, etc.). The French law related debate 
--> make it very 
--> > interesting, and important, however too complex for 
--> current users at 
--> > this time. This fits the interests I have in the 
--> emergence of an "over 
--> > the ISO layers" Internet through a grassroots process. 
--> How to use the 
--> > Internet? But the IAB discuss list leads to nothing.
--> 
--> The French law made me move the sources from IASON
--> 
--> http://iason.site.voila.fr/
--> http://www.kokoom.com/iason/
--> 
--> to sourceforge. I dont want to fight the music industry 
--> with a law I dont
--> even understand. IASON has nothing to do with music but it 
--> has to do with
--> copyright.
--> 
--> > 
--> > Why not to try to shape a WG Charter on this? I do not 
--> believe the IESG 
--> > is able to follow. But when I see all the ICANN, IETF, 
--> Unicode, etc. 
--> > meetings, publications, etc. etc. about 
--> "internationalization", partly 
--> > to oppose my long enough opposition which permitted me to 
--> reach Tunis. 
--> > One could expect that Brussels could be interested at the 
--> end of the 
--> > day. And if the IESG does not follow, we will have made 
--> our duty, before 
--> > going elsewhere? I do not think that the balkanization 
--> they impose on us 
--> > is a good thing.
--> > 
--> > jfc
--> > 
--> 
--> Karin and me helped building two balkan DNS roots. Why not 
--> do something
--> serious now :)
--> 
--> Cheers
--> Peter and Karin
--> 
--> 
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