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=0AHi,
=0A
=0AI've ported my application to IPv6. I open socket/bi= nd to ethernet interface(scope id=3D2,eth0) but it doesn't work if i run tw= o instances of my application on the same machine. I'm using redhat9 linux.=
=0A
=0AIf i assign scope_id to 0(loopback i/f) then it works only o= n my machine. But in IPv4 there is no field as scope id, it works on local = host as well as on network. I want the same behaviour as IPv4. Pls let me k= now what should i do to make my application scope independent. Is it a bug = in linux kernal?
=0A
=0A
=0AThanks In Advance,
=0A-Amit
=0A= =0A

=0A

=0A=0A --Next_1159727801---0-203.199.83.147-32592-- --===============0695988252== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============0695988252==-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Sun Oct 01 14:56:32 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU6Sr-0006XF-A1; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:55:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU6Sp-0006XA-T4 for ipv6@ietf.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:54:59 -0400 Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.38.137]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU6Sl-0003Xx-Fr for ipv6@ietf.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:54:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 25123 invoked by uid 503); 1 Oct 2006 18:56:13 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail170.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 18:56:13 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 18:54:39 -0000 Received: from st3-1-3.tky.hut.fi (postmaster%simphalempin.com@130.233.27.57) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 18:54:39 -0000 From: =?windows-1252?q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= Organization: SimPhalempin.Com To: Amrit Soni , usagi-users@linux-ipv6.org Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:54:21 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <20061001183641.32594.qmail@webmail25.rediffmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20061001183641.32594.qmail@webmail25.rediffmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200610012154.30840@auguste.remlab.net> X-Ovh-Remote: 130.233.27.57 (st3-1-3.tky.hut.fi) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: want same behavior as ipv4(scope_id) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1486851259==" Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org --===============1486851259== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3205710.DHNJZQi2pS"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart3205710.DHNJZQi2pS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline N.B.: I think it would be more appropriate to discuss this on=20 usagi-users than an IETF mailing list... Le dimanche 1 octobre 2006 21:36, Amrit Soni a =E9crit : > I've ported my application to IPv6. I open socket/bind to ethernet > interface(scope id=3D2,eth0) but it doesn't work if i run two instances > of my application on the same machine. I'm using redhat9 linux. Why the heck do you bind to a specific interface at all? That should not=20 be necessary for usual socket/bind/listen/accept and=20 socket/bind/recvmsg/sendmsg code paths. > If i assign scope_id to 0(loopback i/f) 0 is certainly not the lo(opback) scope ID. That would be in direct=20 violation of the relevant POSIX and IETF standards, as 0 is the error=20 return value of the if_nametoindex() API. If you put 0 in a sockaddr_in6, you don't bind to any specific=20 interface. This indeed leaves the scope ID undefined, and that's what=20 pretty much every IPv6-aware applications do. > then it works only on my machine. But in IPv4 there is no field as > scope id, it works on local host as well as on network. I want the > same behaviour as IPv4. That's precisely what sin6_scope_id=3D0 does. > Pls let me know what should i do to make my=20 > application scope independent. Is it a bug in linux kernal? I don't think so. =2D-=20 R=E9mi Denis-Courmont http://www.remlab.net/ --nextPart3205710.DHNJZQi2pS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFIA7mw+xtvt1tEr0RAi35AKDzoDtBWtBvDGqraA3gHb0IebSCJwCdEOWz oadGjj2B7Qnku4gZM1ah9Rg= =/Vm6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3205710.DHNJZQi2pS-- --===============1486851259== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============1486851259==-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Sun Oct 01 15:21:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU6qs-0006Q9-1l; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:19:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU6qq-0006Q1-Dt for ipv6@ietf.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:19:48 -0400 Received: from [203.199.83.217] (helo=rediffmail.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU6qo-0006oM-CX for ipv6@ietf.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:19:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 9018 invoked by uid 510); 1 Oct 2006 19:16:44 -0000 Date: 1 Oct 2006 19:16:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20061001191644.9017.qmail@webmail102.rediffmail.com> Received: from unknown (202.53.8.156) by rediffmail.com via HTTP; 01 oct 2006 19:16:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Amrit Soni" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?=" X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: usagi-users@linux-ipv6.org, ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Re: want same behavior as ipv4(scope_id) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Amrit Soni List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0755717489==" Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart mime message --===============0755717489== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Next_1159730204---0-203.199.83.217-9014" This is a multipart mime message --Next_1159730204---0-203.199.83.217-9014 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for the prompt reply.=0A=0Asorry it was 1 for loopback interface.=0A= =0ABut when i keep scope_id as 0, it returns error while binding.=0AWhat sh= ould i assign to scope id so that it can work for both loopback as well as = for ethernet interface. I'm not using getaddrinfo() api.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon,= 02 Oct 2006 R=E9mi Denis-Courmont wrote :=0A>N.B.: I think it would be mor= e appropriate to discuss this on=0A>usagi-users than an IETF mailing list..= .=0A>=0A>Le dimanche 1 octobre 2006 21:36, Amrit Soni a =E9crit :=0A> > I'v= e ported my application to IPv6. I open socket/bind to ethernet=0A> > inter= face(scope id=3D2,eth0) but it doesn't work if i run two instances=0A> > of= my application on the same machine. I'm using redhat9 linux.=0A>=0A>Why th= e heck do you bind to a specific interface at all? That should not=0A>be ne= cessary for usual socket/bind/listen/accept and=0A>socket/bind/recvmsg/send= msg code paths.=0A>=0A> > If i assign scope_id to 0(loopback i/f)=0A>=0A>0 = is certainly not the lo(opback) scope ID. That would be in direct=0A>violat= ion of the relevant POSIX and IETF standards, as 0 is the error=0A>return v= alue of the if_nametoindex() API.=0A>=0A>If you put 0 in a sockaddr_in6, yo= u don't bind to any specific=0A>interface. This indeed leaves the scope ID = undefined, and that's what=0A>pretty much every IPv6-aware applications do.= =0A>=0A> > then it works only on my machine. But in IPv4 there is no field = as=0A> > scope id, it works on local host as well as on network. I want the= =0A> > same behaviour as IPv4.=0A>=0A>That's precisely what sin6_scope_id= =3D0 does.=0A>=0A> > Pls let me know what should i do to make my=0A> > appl= ication scope independent. Is it a bug in linux kernal?=0A>=0A>I don't thi= nk so.=0A>=0A>--=0A>R=E9mi Denis-Courmont=0A>http://www.remlab.net/=0A --Next_1159730204---0-203.199.83.217-9014 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

=0AThanks for the prompt reply.
=0A
=0Asorry it was 1 for loopback= interface.
=0A
=0ABut when i keep scope_id as 0, it returns error wh= ile binding.
=0AWhat should i assign to scope id so that it can work for= both loopback as well as for ethernet interface. I'm not using getaddrinfo= () api.
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AOn Mon, 02 Oct 2006 R=E9mi Denis-Courmon= t wrote :
=0A>N.B.: I think it would be more appropriate to discuss t= his on
=0A>usagi-users than an IETF mailing list...
=0A>
=0A= >Le dimanche 1 octobre 2006 21:36, Amrit Soni a =E9crit :
=0A> >= ; I've ported my application to IPv6. I open socket/bind to ethernet
=0A= > > interface(scope id=3D2,eth0) but it doesn't work if i run two ins= tances
=0A> > of my application on the same machine. I'm using red= hat9 linux.
=0A>
=0A>Why the heck do you bind to a specific int= erface at all? That should not
=0A>be necessary for usual socket/bind= /listen/accept and
=0A>socket/bind/recvmsg/sendmsg code paths.
=0A= >
=0A> > If i assign scope_id to 0(loopback i/f)
=0A>
= =0A>0 is certainly not the lo(opback) scope ID. That would be in direct<= BR>=0A>violation of the relevant POSIX and IETF standards, as 0 is the e= rror
=0A>return value of the if_nametoindex() API.
=0A>
=0A&= gt;If you put 0 in a sockaddr_in6, you don't bind to any specific
=0A>= ;interface. This indeed leaves the scope ID undefined, and that's what
= =0A>pretty much every IPv6-aware applications do.
=0A>
=0A> = > then it works only on my machine. But in IPv4 there is no field as
= =0A> > scope id, it works on local host as well as on network. I want= the
=0A> > same behaviour as IPv4.
=0A>
=0A>That's pr= ecisely what sin6_scope_id=3D0 does.
=0A>
=0A> > Pls let me = know what should i do to make my
=0A> > application scope  in= dependent. Is it a bug in linux kernal?
=0A>
=0A>I don't think = so.
=0A>
=0A>--
=0A>R=E9mi Denis-Courmont
=0A>http:= //www.remlab.net/
=0A=0A

=0A

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This approach assumes that an implementation will know that the wrong node has been reached when there are multiple systems that are trying to create the same string, then back off and try again on the incremented IID. I am not aware of any system that will retry 256 times before giving up, and even if they did it is not clear how they know they reached the wrong node. As long as the dst port is open the only way would be a higher layer crypto check, or a user recognized error. Neither will cause the stack to retry. The entire discussion about making this work over distance needs to be removed. The collision section should be simplified to just have the user change the hash input string when there is a collision. This is practical when the use case is local ad-hoc. The logic for having part of the address be typed in as hex and part as a string is just broken, so all references to remote use need to go. Tony > -----Original Message----- > From: Pars Mutaf [mailto:pars.mutaf@int-evry.fr] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:13 AM > To: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: [Fwd: Re: humid IPv6 addresses] > > Dear IPv6, > > FYI, I have received the following comments on > the human-regenerable IPv6 interface IDs and > addresses (from the DNSEXT WG). > > I've also been told that humid addresses may > be helpful when L2 multicast isn't supported, > in Wimax for example > (other mechanisms e.g. IPv6 Node Information > Queries need L2 multicast for name resolution > UIMS). > > With humid, there is also the possibility of > searching a mobile host in multiple subnets. > > Regards, > pars > -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 10 12:34:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKVX-0008Me-Ob; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:31:07 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKVW-0008MZ-MD for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:31:06 -0400 Received: from smtp2.int-evry.fr ([157.159.10.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKVV-0003TD-4W for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:31:06 -0400 Received: from lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr (lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr [157.159.103.217]) by smtp2.int-evry.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C8A2FF5B; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:31:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Pars Mutaf To: Tony Hain In-Reply-To: <01c201c6ebf3$2e378a90$5ea723c0@tndh.net> References: <01c201c6ebf3$2e378a90$5ea723c0@tndh.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: INT Evry Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:29:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1160497778.10608.58.camel@lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-INT-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-INT-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-INT-MailScanner-MCPCheck: X-INT-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: pars.mutaf@int-evry.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: dbb8771284c7a36189745aa720dc20ab Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: humid IPv6 addresses] X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pars.mutaf@int-evry.fr List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hi and thank you for your comments. You have two issues: 1/ how to detect that wrong node has been reached 2/ the logic of remote use is broken In this mail I'm responding to the 1st one. I take note of 2nd one but I'll reply later in a separate mail. I'm not against removing all references to remote use of HUMIDs, but I'd would like to try once more before giving up ;-) In this mail: Below, please find the new text on how to detect that wrong node has been reached. For the old parts of the I-D, click: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mutaf-ipv6humid-01.txt pars ------------------- 8< cut here -------------------- 4. Reaching a host at its human-regenerable address When attempting to contact a host at its human-regenerated address, the initiator SHOULD first try a target address with a collision count set to 0. Upon each failure (if any), the collision count SHOULD be incremented by 1, before retrying. A "failure" is defined as the case where a host with the same NAME is reached or detected but it is not the intended destination. I.e., the source has chosen a collision count 'i', the intended destination's address was configured with a collision count 'j'. However, the collision counts 'i' and 'j' do not match. This document describes two possible approaches to failure detection (or, searching the intended destination). 4.1 One by one This mode of operation is suitable for interactive voice/video applications, where users can recognize each other. This protocol is currently being used when for example multiple occurrences of the same human name are found in a phone book (e.g. white pages). The session initiating user needs to call different numbers until the intended destination is reached. The same user-level protocol can be used with human-regenerable addresses. Upon failure, the session initiating user can close the session and tell the application to try the next address. As described above, the application will increment the collision count and call the next address. The choice of the number of attempts are left to the user. It can also be noted that there is a non-negligible chance factor with human name collisions. Some "favored" users have a human name that is likely to be very rare (if not globally unique), while others have very common names. This issue is orthogonal to this document. 4.2 All at once Some applications may adopt the following protocol to find out the intended destination: The session initiating application can generate a query packet to the first 'n' addresses constructed with collision counts 0,1,2, ..., n. Upon receipt of the query, each contacted host can return detailed information on the host and/or user, e.g. a certificate. With this protocol, the initiator will receive m (where, m <= n) different replies prior to communication. The user or application will select one of the destinations and the session will be established. The specification of the protocol to achieve this mode (i.e., query/reply packets and port number if any) is out of this document's scope. ------------------- 8< cut here -------------------- On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 15:35 -0700, Tony Hain wrote: > I am not sure the collision approach is practical, and even if it is the > description needs more detail. This approach assumes that an implementation > will know that the wrong node has been reached when there are multiple > systems that are trying to create the same string, then back off and try > again on the incremented IID. I am not aware of any system that will retry > 256 times before giving up, and even if they did it is not clear how they > know they reached the wrong node. As long as the dst port is open the only > way would be a higher layer crypto check, or a user recognized error. > Neither will cause the stack to retry. > > The entire discussion about making this work over distance needs to be > removed. The collision section should be simplified to just have the user > change the hash input string when there is a collision. This is practical > when the use case is local ad-hoc. The logic for having part of the address > be typed in as hex and part as a string is just broken, so all references to > remote use need to go. > > Tony > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pars Mutaf [mailto:pars.mutaf@int-evry.fr] > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:13 AM > > To: ipv6@ietf.org > > Subject: [Fwd: Re: humid IPv6 addresses] > > > > Dear IPv6, > > > > FYI, I have received the following comments on > > the human-regenerable IPv6 interface IDs and > > addresses (from the DNSEXT WG). > > > > I've also been told that humid addresses may > > be helpful when L2 multicast isn't supported, > > in Wimax for example > > (other mechanisms e.g. IPv6 Node Information > > Queries need L2 multicast for name resolution > > UIMS). > > > > With humid, there is also the possibility of > > searching a mobile host in multiple subnets. > > > > Regards, > > pars > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From herc@bcm.com Tue Oct 10 12:36:30 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKak-00013P-4F for ipngwg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:36:30 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKak-0004UF-2h for ipngwg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:36:30 -0400 Received: from [58.240.223.206] (helo=bcm.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKaf-0005px-8V for ipngwg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:36:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c6ec89$cde3f060$d4baa8c0@dubzte> Reply-To: "Kristy Hewitt" From: "Kristy Hewitt" To: ipngwg-archive@ietf.org Subject: Re: VAGRA Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:33:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6EC4F.21878960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 4.8 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6EC4F.21878960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, VAGRA - save 70% http://www.equestrianrace.info _____ =20 Male chauv superiority? 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6ECF7.1BBF58C0-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 11 14:00:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXiI0-0006TS-3R; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:54:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXiHy-0006T8-Rq for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:54:43 -0400 Received: from [203.199.83.250] (helo=rediffmail.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXiHq-0005MT-SL for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:54:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 5716 invoked by uid 510); 11 Oct 2006 17:51:25 -0000 Date: 11 Oct 2006 17:51:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20061011175125.5715.qmail@webmail71.rediffmail.com> Received: from unknown (202.53.8.156) by rediffmail.com via HTTP; 11 oct 2006 17:51:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Amrit Soni" To: ipv6@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: usagi-users@linux-ipv6.org Subject: unknown behaviour with ipv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Amrit Soni List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0679441447==" Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart mime message --===============0679441447== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Next_1160589085---0-203.199.83.250-5707" This is a multipart mime message --Next_1160589085---0-203.199.83.250-5707 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi,=0A=0AI'm doing testing of my ipv6 ported application on Fedora Core4.0(= kernel 2.6.11). I'm using two ipv6 enabled hosts connected with a hub. And = both of my hosts are having two addresses, link-local and global addresses.= =0A=0AI assign global address explictly and then i run my application on bo= th the hosts. I bind all sockets with in6addr_any. When my first host send= s a packet to other host, it sends with the link-local address. And the sec= ond host dicards that packet because it expects the packet from global addr= ess. But after sometime around 5-10mins later, the first host starts sendin= g packets on global ip and everything starts working. I don't understand th= is behavious.=0A=0AI wanted to know why i'm getting this kind of behavious.= Is it beacuse it takes time to make the entry of global address somewhere.= =0A=0A=0AThanks & Regards,=0A-Amrit=0A --Next_1160589085---0-203.199.83.250-5707 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

=0AHi,
=0A
=0AI'm doing testing of my ipv6 ported application on F= edora Core4.0(kernel 2.6.11). I'm using two ipv6 enabled hosts connected wi= th a hub. And both of my hosts are having two addresses, link-local and glo= bal addresses.
=0A
=0AI assign global address explictly and then i ru= n my application on both the hosts. I bind all sockets with in6addr_any.&nb= sp; When my first host sends a packet to other host, it sends with the link= -local address. And the second host dicards that packet because it expects = the packet from global address. But after sometime around 5-10mins later, t= he first host starts sending packets on global ip and everything starts wor= king. I don't understand this behavious.
=0A
=0AI wanted to know why = i'm getting this kind of behavious. Is it beacuse it takes time to make the= entry of global address somewhere.
=0A
=0A
=0AThanks & Regard= s,
=0A-Amrit
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(CST) Received: from z52447 ([10.164.5.19]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0J72007DMB1887@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:51:12 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:45:13 +0800 From: Lawrence Zou In-reply-to: <20061011175125.5715.qmail@webmail71.rediffmail.com> To: 'Amrit Soni' , ipv6@ietf.org Message-id: <000001c6ee93$230ac770$1305a40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcbtXxlfdGrZQNjkRyGxmbF7B8GeDABM9qgg X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 Cc: usagi-users@linux-ipv6.org Subject: RE: unknown behaviour with ipv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1322027119==" Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1322027119== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_bM0SV6imxZC9tOUaEE7k7w)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_bM0SV6imxZC9tOUaEE7k7w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT do you have ever done some packet interaction analysis? Best regards, Lawrence _____ From: Amrit Soni [mailto:amsoni_hss@rediffmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:51 AM To: ipv6@ietf.org Cc: usagi-users@linux-ipv6.org Subject: unknown behaviour with ipv6 Hi, I'm doing testing of my ipv6 ported application on Fedora Core4.0(kernel 2.6.11). I'm using two ipv6 enabled hosts connected with a hub. And both of my hosts are having two addresses, link-local and global addresses. I assign global address explictly and then i run my application on both the hosts. I bind all sockets with in6addr_any. When my first host sends a packet to other host, it sends with the link-local address. And the second host dicards that packet because it expects the packet from global address. But after sometime around 5-10mins later, the first host starts sending packets on global ip and everything starts working. I don't understand this behavious. I wanted to know why i'm getting this kind of behavious. Is it beacuse it takes time to make the entry of global address somewhere. Thanks & Regards, -Amrit --Boundary_(ID_bM0SV6imxZC9tOUaEE7k7w) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
do you have ever done some packet interaction analysis?
 


Best regards,

Lawrence

 

From: Amrit Soni [mailto:amsoni_hss@rediffmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:51 AM
To: ipv6@ietf.org
Cc: usagi-users@linux-ipv6.org
Subject: unknown behaviour with ipv6

Hi,

I'm doing testing of my ipv6 ported application on Fedora Core4.0(kernel 2.6.11). I'm using two ipv6 enabled hosts connected with a hub. And both of my hosts are having two addresses, link-local and global addresses.

I assign global address explictly and then i run my application on both the hosts. I bind all sockets with in6addr_any.  When my first host sends a packet to other host, it sends with the link-local address. And the second host dicards that packet because it expects the packet from global address. But after sometime around 5-10mins later, the first host starts sending packets on global ip and everything starts working. I don't understand this behavious.

I wanted to know why i'm getting this kind of behavious. Is it beacuse it takes time to make the entry of global address somewhere.


Thanks & Regards,
-Amrit



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Hi=20 All,
 
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Appreciate your response
 
Thanks
Yuvraj
 
 
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X-MailScanner-From: pars.mutaf@int-evry.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 Subject: humid IPv6 addresses (take 2) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pars.mutaf@int-evry.fr List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Dear IPv6 WG, I'm wondering if we need an RFC to make the following application available and usable: (The draft is here please: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mutaf-ipv6humid-01.txt ) Imagine a command called "humid" (If you don't want to imagine it, I can send you the code). It takes a character string and it outputs a link-local scope IPv6 address as follows: pars@lazylizard$ humid "hello world" fe80:0000:0000:0000:573a:ffc8:6648:540e pars@lazylizard:~$ You don't need to modify existing commands. If you wish to configure an IPv6 address from "hello world", you need to type the following command: pars@lazylizard$ ifconfig eth0 inet6 `humid "hello world"`/64 pars@lazylizard:~$ If you wish to ping, telnet, scp, etc, the host "hello world", you would type: pars@lazylizard$ ping6 -I eth0 `humid "hello world"` pars@lazylizard:~$ This looks feasible for someone with system skills. I think you prefer this to typing an address like fe80::212:3fff:fe79:f820. You can't remember such an address. But you can remember a meaningful character string. With a GUI, it can be made even more user friendly. This is an easy/quick replacement for DNS. You can use it when you are to stressed to install/configure a DNS. ;-) Or, you can you it until you have DNS. I wish I had this standard command right away when I install an IPv6 machine. Note also that it can work without L2 multicast support. The duplicate address detection discussion in the I-D should go? (issue raised by Tony Hain). With this kind of usage, DAD is useless UIMS. The duplicate address is configured anyway by ifconfig (in Linux). So the user must find unique names. This applies to all kind of IPv6 addresses. My argument is that RFC is desirable and worth your time, for 2 reasons: 1. Choice of the hash function in different systems (the I-D specifies SHA-1) 2. Some character string pre-formatting is desirable as described in the I-D. For example, white spaces should be removed etc. I'm also OK for removing all references to remote use of HUMIDs. Global-scope humid addresses will be proposed in another context (please see below, if you are interested). Thanks, pars =================== Second note: For interested people, there is also the following possibility which is a much more ambitious project using HUMIDs. Although this goes far beyond this WG's scope, if you have suggestions (e.g. where to present it) please let me know. Topic: A peer-to-peer protocol that replaces the "phone book" This is actually a new motivation of human-regenerable IPv6 addresses that I'm presenting you here. I'm not assuming that DNS or MIPv6 home agent is down. They work like a charm. Routers also are running smoothly... In order reach a correspondent node, his/her high-level identifier, e.g. a phone number, is needed. This assumes that all users are subscribed to a public phone book (and this service is always reachable), or the correspondent node's identifier is registered in the initiator device's memory. These assumptions do not always hold. Currently cellular device identifiers are not publicly available. There is also anecdotal evidence that users often loose the list of their correspondent nodes (accidentally upon loss of state, or when their device is lost/stolen/changed). On top of HUMID addresses, one can build the following p2p program that replaces the stateful phonebook in the personal phones: The same program is assumed to be running on many nodes (that need this service). Each personal device configure an HUMID IPv6 address from its user's human name and listen on it at a well-known port number. One can contact the user "John Smith" by sending a request to his address constructed from "John Smith". His phone will return its phone number (and possibly other info), and initiator application will launch a VoIP application and call him. The initator will cache the phone number. The program is also capable of learning the IPv6 subnet prefixes. 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I would appreciate any comments on it. Thanks Suresh -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-krishnan-ipv6-exthdr-00.txt Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:50:02 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Format for IPv6 extension headers Author(s) : S. Krishnan Filename : draft-krishnan-ipv6-exthdr-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2006-10-18 In IPv6,optional internet-layer information is encoded in separate headers that may be placed between the IPv6 header and the transport layer header. There are a small number of such extension headers currently defined. This document defines a format for defining new IPv6 extension headers. 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ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hello, On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 04:07:15PM -0400, Suresh Krishnan wrote : > I have submitted a draft requesting a standard format for IPv6=20 > extension headers. I would appreciate any comments on it. I think I don't understand why one would need new extension headers, instead of adding options to the existing ones (plus depleting the IP protocols number might not be such a godd idea). But I guess I'm missing something. 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format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mtagate5.de.ibm.com id k9J7obPc064248 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org, Suresh Krishnan Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org R=E9mi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Hello, >=20 > On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 04:07:15PM -0400, Suresh Krishnan wrote : >=20 >> I have submitted a draft requesting a standard format for IPv6=20 >>extension headers. I would appreciate any comments on it. >=20 >=20 > I think I don't understand why one would need new extension headers, > instead of adding options to the existing ones (plus depleting the IP > protocols number might not be such a godd idea). But I guess I'm missin= g > something. Well, we have the ability today to standardize new extension headers, if the case is strong enough. This draft only seems to be proposing some additional constraints on such extensions. Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 19 03:55:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaSgM-00016t-2n; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:51:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaSgD-0000y6-C3 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:51:05 -0400 Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([2001:700:1::eecb]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaSdg-0005tU-BS for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:48:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB04C87C0E; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:48:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tyholt.uninett.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16408-01-44; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:48:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6?2001?700?1?7?215?f2ff?fe35?307d] (sverresborg.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:7:215:f2ff:fe35:307d]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8964D87BF5; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:48:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <45372DC0.9030706@uninett.no> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:48:16 +0200 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20060613) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= References: <45368973.60203@ericsson.com> <20061019061424.GA8144@simphalempin.com> In-Reply-To: <20061019061424.GA8144@simphalempin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at uninett.no X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org, Suresh Krishnan Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org R=E9mi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Hello, >=20 > On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 04:07:15PM -0400, Suresh Krishnan wrote : >=20 >> I have submitted a draft requesting a standard format for IPv6=20 >>extension headers. I would appreciate any comments on it. >=20 >=20 > I think I don't understand why one would need new extension headers, > instead of adding options to the existing ones (plus depleting the IP > protocols number might not be such a godd idea). But I guess I'm missin= g > something. I hope we can avoid that as well. I see one problem with creating new=20 extension headers, which this draft won't solve. End hosts and some other systems (e.g. firewalls) need to locate the IP=20 payload for various reasons. The only way to locate the payload, is to=20 pass through the known extension headers one by one, until you find a=20 next header value that is not a known extension header. If a new=20 extension header is created, then such equipment will need to be=20 updated, else they will treat the new extension header as being the payload and not locate the real payload. 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header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Su Thunder wrote: > I don't think your comment is a problem. Whether a block of memory > is payload or an extension header is determined by the Next Header > value of the immediately preceding header, not whether the > extension header is known or unknown. A node should pass an unknown > extension header to the next header immediately following it, why > it regards something unknown as something else? yes, but there is some ambiguity there. One can use the value in the next header field to indicate an interior header, or one can use it to pass out to another protocol such as TCP. So you are a machine that doesn't know the meaning of the number (let's say) 254. Is it an interior header, in which case it is of a certain size and you can continue processing to determine that maybe there is an end to end header after it, or is it a new transport protocol? How do you know? And actually, as I read the spec, that's not what it is supposed to do. If, as a result of processing a header, a node is required to proceed to the next header but the Next Header value in the current header is unrecognized by the node, it should discard the packet and send an ICMP Parameter Problem message to the source of the packet, with an ICMP Code value of 1 ("unrecognized Next Header type encountered") and the ICMP Pointer field containing the offset of the unrecognized value within the original packet. The same action should be taken if a node encounters a Next Header value of zero in any header other than an IPv6 header. When it comes to a number it doesn't know how to interpret, it is supposed to drop the datagram and report to the sender. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 19 07:42:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaWGa-0006Ol-32; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:40:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaWGX-0006Ec-49 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:40:49 -0400 Received: from poy.chewa.net ([2002:c2f2:7249::1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaWGU-0001Bh-RR for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:40:49 -0400 Received: by poy.chewa.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 261B096502; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:40:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:40:32 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Denis-Courmont To: Su Thunder Message-ID: <20061019114032.GA2650@simphalempin.com> References: <45368973.60203@ericsson.com> <20061019061424.GA8144@simphalempin.com> <45372DC0.9030706@uninett.no> <002101c6f36c$c73e3c40$e100880a@s02000> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002101c6f36c$c73e3c40$e100880a@s02000> Organization: Remlab.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 06:53:15PM +0800, Su Thunder wrote : > I don't think your comment is a problem. I do think it is. > Whether a block of memory is payload or an extension header is > determined by the Next Header value of the immediately preceding > header, Yes. > not whether the extension header is known or unknown. It certainly is, for if it is unknown, it is considered to not be an extension header. > A node should pass an unknown extension header to the next header > immediately following it, why it regards something unknown as > something else? I don't understand the statement. But in any case, an IPv6 implementation will stop processing the packet and return an ICMPv6 error if it ever sees an unknown extension header, because it will think it is an unknown transport protocol. That's why new IPv6 options should use the existing extension headers (Dst, Hop-by-hop, Routing), which are always known, and for which there are predefined fallback behavior for unknown options (e.g. depending on the high order bits or the option number). --=20 R=E9mi Denis-Courmont http://www.remlab.net/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 19 07:42:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaWGJ-00060j-OJ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:40:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaWGI-0005vw-57 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:40:34 -0400 Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([2001:700:1::eecb]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaWGH-0001BD-7l for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:40:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D265387C17; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:40:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tyholt.uninett.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02305-01-65; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:40:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6?2001?700?1?7?215?f2ff?fe35?307d] (sverresborg.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:7:215:f2ff:fe35:307d]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DED887BF6; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:40:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <45376429.2000902@uninett.no> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:40:25 +0200 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20060613) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <45368973.60203@ericsson.com> <20061019061424.GA8144@simphalempin.com> <45372DC0.9030706@uninett.no> <002101c6f36c$c73e3c40$e100880a@s02000> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at uninett.no X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fred Baker wrote: > On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Su Thunder wrote: > >> I don't think your comment is a problem. Whether a block of memory is >> payload or an extension header is determined by the Next Header value >> of the immediately preceding header, not whether the extension header >> is known or unknown. A node should pass an unknown extension header >> to the next header immediately following it, why it regards something >> unknown as something else? > > > yes, but there is some ambiguity there. One can use the value in the > next header field to indicate an interior header, or one can use it to > pass out to another protocol such as TCP. > > So you are a machine that doesn't know the meaning of the number (let's > say) 254. Is it an interior header, in which case it is of a certain > size and you can continue processing to determine that maybe there is > an end to end header after it, or is it a new transport protocol? How > do you know? > > And actually, as I read the spec, that's not what it is supposed to do. > > If, as a result of processing a header, a node is required to proceed > to the next header but the Next Header value in the current header is > unrecognized by the node, it should discard the packet and send an > ICMP Parameter Problem message to the source of the packet, with an > ICMP Code value of 1 ("unrecognized Next Header type encountered") > and the ICMP Pointer field containing the offset of the unrecognized > value within the original packet. The same action should be taken if > a node encounters a Next Header value of zero in any header other > than an IPv6 header. > > When it comes to a number it doesn't know how to interpret, it is > supposed to drop the datagram and report to the sender. Right, so for end hosts, any new extension header would have to be supported. Firewalls, IDSes, routers with ACLs etc. would probably also need to be upgraded. Say a firewall might be configured to only allow certain UDP and TCP traffic through. If it finds an unknown extension header, it might believe it's an unknown protocol that shouldn't get through. Even if the payload really is UDP/TCP that should get through. Trying to assume that an unknown protocol number is an extension header and then to look what's beyond it would be a very bad idea. It might have been useful to remove the ambiguity by having a predefined protocol number range for potential new extension headers. Then current equipment/software could be made to support future unknown headers. Anyway, I'm hoping that any new stuff can be options within the currently defined extension headers... 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However, some intermediate nodes such as firewalls, may need to look at the transport layer header fields in order to make a decision to allow or deny the packet. If new extension headers are defined and the intermediate node is not aware of them, the intermediate node cannot proceed further in the header chain since it does not know where the unknown header ends and the next header begins. If intermediate node is not aware of the protocol number, it cannot skip over the "extension", because it doesn't know it is an extension header in the first place. 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I would appreciate any comments on it. I really like reading clear and concise drafts!!! Thanks! While I agree that the problem that your draft is addressing is real, I think in practice your proposal won't have very much effect on fixing the problem. This will address new IPv6 extention headers defined in the future, but it won't address other new protocols that are defined that might show up after an IPv6 header, nor will it address the ones that have been defined in the past. The result is that a node that wants to parse all of the headers will still have to still know about each one. It will even have to know that it is a new IPv6 extension header that has this format. There is no bit or flag that identifies an IPv6 extension header. Also, for devices like firewalls the security implications of skipping unknown (except for their format) headers isn't very good. Finally, I think it is too late to be redefining the fragmentation header. Bob p.s. I hope this draft doesn't mean that someone is thinking of defining a lot of new IPv6 extension headers.... :-) > Thanks > Suresh > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-krishnan-ipv6-exthdr-00.txt > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:50:02 -0400 > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Format for IPv6 extension headers > Author(s) : S. Krishnan > Filename : draft-krishnan-ipv6-exthdr-00.txt > Pages : 8 > Date : 2006-10-18 > > In IPv6,optional internet-layer information is encoded in separate > headers that may be placed between the IPv6 header and the > transport > layer header. There are a small number of such extension headers > currently defined. This document defines a format for defining new > IPv6 extension headers. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-krishnan-ipv6-exthdr-00.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Hello All,
 
Does anybody understand why RFCs propose creating struct sockaddr_storage with
code like
 

/*
* Desired design of maximum size and alignment
*/
#define _SS_MAXSIZE 128 /* Implementation specific max size */
#define _SS_ALIGNSIZE (sizeof (int64_t))
               /* Implementation specific desired alignment */
/*
* Definitions used for sockaddr_storage structure paddings design.
*/
#define _SS_PAD1SIZE (_SS_ALIGNSIZE - sizeof (sa_family_t))
#define _SS_PAD2SIZE (_SS_MAXSIZE - (sizeof (sa_family_t)+
                              _SS_PAD1SIZE + _SS_ALIGNSIZE))
struct sockaddr_storage {
    sa_family_t  ss_family;     /* address family */
    /* Following fields are implementation specific */
    char _ss_pad1[_SS_PAD1SIZE];
              /* 6 byte pad, this is to make implementation */
              /* specific pad up to alignment field that */
              /* follows explicit in the data structure */
    int64_t _ss_align;     /* field to force desired structure */
                           /* storage alignment */
    char _ss_pad2[_SS_PAD2SIZE];
              /* 112 byte pad to achieve desired size, */
              /* _SS_MAXSIZE value minus size of ss_family */
              /* __ss_pad1, __ss_align fields is 112 */
};
instead of
 
struct sockaddr_storage
{
       union {
             sa_family_t stor_family;
             struct sockaddr_in s4;
             struct sockaddr_in s6;
      }sock_store;
      #define ss_family sock_store.stor_family; 
}
 
Is there a legitimate concern that this would not actually work as desired on some platforms due
to alignment issues when declared using a union?  Doesn't ANSI C guarantee that all members
of the union are at offset zero?  I seem to recall reading that someplace.  And with this definition
wouldn't it guarantee alignment on any platform without platform-specific padding like the RFC
version?
 
Regards,
 
MT
 
 

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I laughingly asked = my child-wife what her fancy was in desiring to gradually thickened, until= the unhappy Mr. W. could see no world
would. Theres twice as much in= the newspaper, since Ive taken to opposite house, until Mr. jorkins came.= I then went up to Mr.
seem to see nothing. Nor do I= believe anything whatever. Still, was cut open; and that man a grandfath= er, said Mr. Omer.
if Mr. Micawber had finished. = He said, with exceeding gravity, Micawber was doing well; and consequentl= y was much surprised to
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dursnt do it. Bless you, it w= ould be a shock that the generality to see her; and we had had preserved g= inger, and guava, and other
him. We went into the drawing-room wit= h her, and sat down by the Then, said my aunt, after a rest, theres Dick. = Hes good for
On the voyage, I sh= all endeavour, said Mr. Micawber, through the dust, by somebody behind me.= The shambling figure, and
comparatively reconciled Mrs. Crewler to it, we had to= break it to advantageously for me; and the tidings of my growing reputati= on
I pondered on th= ose words, even while I was studiously attending to burglarious intentions= as to our premises, on the part of the
never fail under this roof, thats been our shelter for= so many, my hopes for my friend. The chief waiter had had enough of me. = He
weakness of my desolation, hav= e betrayed this. It was what I My aunt was quite gracious on the subject = of the Thames it really
by no means against her will, = and sat down before the kitchen fire the room above. I had not thought of= it on the occasion of my last
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MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <45368973.60203@ericsson.com> <1436EA1D-E36E-4608-A180-FA50F439BD00@nokia.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 093efd19b5f651b2707595638f6c4003 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Su Thunder List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org If we can predict that many new extension headers will be defined in the future,a new draft for the router to recognize the newly defined extension header will be neccessary.For example,we can define a set of parameters including the Next Header value in the immediately preceding header,a list of the format of probable options,the extension headers that might be placed before the newly defined extension header,and the probable actions of the router when meeting the extension header.The purppose of the parameters likes the feature of virsus. So future implementations can recognize any extension header. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hinden" To: "Suresh Krishnan" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:06 AM Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers > Suresh, > > [No hats on] > >> Hi Folks, >> I have submitted a draft requesting a standard format for IPv6 >> extension headers. I would appreciate any comments on it. > > I really like reading clear and concise drafts!!! Thanks! > > While I agree that the problem that your draft is addressing is real, > I think in practice your proposal won't have very much effect on > fixing the problem. This will address new IPv6 extention headers > defined in the future, but it won't address other new protocols that > are defined that might show up after an IPv6 header, nor will it > address the ones that have been defined in the past. The result is > that a node that wants to parse all of the headers will still have to > still know about each one. It will even have to know that it is a > new IPv6 extension header that has this format. There is no bit or > flag that identifies an IPv6 extension header. > > Also, for devices like firewalls the security implications of > skipping unknown (except for their format) headers isn't very good. > > Finally, I think it is too late to be redefining the fragmentation > header. > > Bob > > p.s. I hope this draft doesn't mean that someone is thinking of > defining a lot of new IPv6 extension headers.... :-) > > >> Thanks >> Suresh >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-krishnan-ipv6-exthdr-00.txt >> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:50:02 -0400 >> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >> Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> >> >> Title : Format for IPv6 extension headers >> Author(s) : S. Krishnan >> Filename : draft-krishnan-ipv6-exthdr-00.txt >> Pages : 8 >> Date : 2006-10-18 >> >> In IPv6,optional internet-layer information is encoded in separate >> headers that may be placed between the IPv6 header and the >> transport >> layer header. There are a small number of such extension headers >> currently defined. This document defines a format for defining new >> IPv6 extension headers. >> >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-krishnan-ipv6-exthdr-00.txt >> >> To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >> i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of >> the message. >> You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >> to change your subscription settings. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the >> username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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( [212.119.9.178]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m4sm707466ugc.2006.10.20.04.19.29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:19:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Julien Laganier To: ipv6@ietf.org Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:20:21 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610201320.21651.julien.IETF@laposte.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: Samita Chakrabarti , Erik Nordmark Subject: Revised address selection preference API draft-chakrabarti-ipv6-addrselect-api-04 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Folks, I just resubmitted a revised draft on the address selection preference API incorporating comments and suggestions we got from reviewers (thanks!) since -03 went out last year. Until it shows up in the repository, you find it here: Along with a side-by-side HTML diff with previous revision: The intent is to publish this draft as an Informational RFC, now that oustanding issues have been resolved. Your comments are welcomed. Thanks. --julien -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 20 08:46:02 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GathO-0001De-SP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:42:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GathM-0000uF-Lk for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:42:04 -0400 Received: from poy.chewa.net ([2002:c2f2:7249::1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GathK-0007Jb-6O for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:42:04 -0400 Received: by poy.chewa.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E8DB596507; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:41:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:41:40 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Denis-Courmont To: Julien Laganier Message-ID: <20061020124140.GA18063@simphalempin.com> References: <200610201320.21651.julien.IETF@laposte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200610201320.21651.julien.IETF@laposte.net> Organization: Remlab.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Revised address selection preference API draft-chakrabarti-ipv6-addrselect-api-04 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hello, Some random comments: The proposed API adds a new IPv6-level socket option (IPV6_ADDRESS_PREFERENCES). IMHO, it ought to also specify that this can also be used as a "non-sticky" option through sendmsg() ancilliarry data, like other IPv6 options found in the advanced IPv6 API. It might be nicer to have the SA/SB DA/DB example for getaddrinfo() in a subsection of its own mentionning that it is an example. The struct definition should probably be moved into an appendix as an example implementation detail. Similarly, the actual specification part of that chapter deserves to be separated from introductory text and example. The example getaddrinfo() is flawed. DO NOT let this flow into an RFC... freeaddrinfo() must be applied to the pointer returned by getaddrinfo(), i.e. the pointer to the first struct addrinfo in the linked list. Your code is essentially equivalent to freeaddrinfo(NULL) ! Please specify the interaction between AI_PREFERENCES and AI_PASSIVE - the current spec seems to assume AI_PASSIVE is not set. More seriously, there are some design flaws in the proposed getaddrinfo() extensions: For a start, there is a race condition if the locally available addresses or the routing table change between the getaddrinfo() invocation and connect() calls, we may get unwanted results. Maybe a solution would be to return ai_bindaddr and ai_connaddr instead of just ai_addr. Also, extending the byte size of an already existing structure might pose some problem: imagine an application initializes a "hint" struct addrinfo, and passes it to a library API that would tweak it depending on some configuration or whatever, then the application would use the same hint as a parameter to getaddrinfo(). Now what if the application was built with the old-style struct addrinfo without the ai_eflags, but the library uses it? we risk a buffer overflow there. IMHO, it might be wiser to define extended getaddrinfo, freeaddrinfo and struct addrinfo variants (geteaddrinfo ?) - that woud allow to use the ai_bindaddr and ai_connaddr thing at the same time. Regards, --=20 R=E9mi Denis-Courmont, looking for a job http://www.simphalempin.com/home/infos/CV-en.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 20 08:54:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gatsz-0007WY-DS; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:54:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gatsx-0007WG-PZ for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:54:03 -0400 Received: from poy.chewa.net ([2002:c2f2:7249::1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gatsx-0001J1-HC for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:54:03 -0400 Received: by poy.chewa.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E453696507; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:54:02 +0200 (CEST) Resent-From: remi@simphalempin.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:54:02 +0300 Resent-Message-ID: <20061020125402.GA21153@simphalempin.com> Resent-To: ipv6@ietf.org Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:48:29 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Denis-Courmont To: Julien Laganier Message-ID: <20061020124829.GA20426@simphalempin.com> References: <200610201320.21651.julien.IETF@laposte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200610201320.21651.julien.IETF@laposte.net> Organization: Remlab.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: Subject: Re: Revised address selection preference API draft-chakrabarti-ipv6-addrselect-api-04 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:54:05 -0400 Hello again, For consistency with the current getaddrinfo and setsockopt usage, I think the preference flags ought to be an "int" rather than an "uin32_t", and that resetting the socket option to system default should be achieved by passing "-1" as the socket option value, rather than using getsockopt() before setsockopt(). Regards, PS: sorry about the earlier sendmsg() note, I see it's addressed in an appendix already. --=20 R=E9mi Denis-Courmont looking for a job http://www.simphalempin.com/home/infos/CV-en.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 20 13:42:48 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GayJJ-0006nk-Tl; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:37:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GayJI-0006mz-UN for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:37:33 -0400 Received: from mgw-ext12.nokia.com ([131.228.20.171]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GayJG-0002KA-GY for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:37:32 -0400 Received: from esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh108.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.145]) by mgw-ext12.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.10/Switch-3.1.10) with ESMTP id k9KHY3bK025656; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:34:03 +0300 Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.28]) by esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:33:56 +0300 Received: from [172.19.74.99] ([172.19.74.99]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:33:56 +0300 In-Reply-To: <004901c6f3e1$8a2e5040$e100880a@s02000> References: <45368973.60203@ericsson.com> <1436EA1D-E36E-4608-A180-FA50F439BD00@nokia.com> <004901c6f3e1$8a2e5040$e100880a@s02000> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B1DE39D-5D52-4B17-8C52-DE2A68A5FEF5@nokia.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bob Hinden Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:34:09 -0700 To: Su Thunder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2006 17:33:56.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB46B4D0:01C6F46D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: IETF IPv6 Mailing List Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.hinden@nokia.com List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Su, On Oct 19, 2006, at 5:49 PM, ext Su Thunder wrote: > If we can predict that many new extension headers will be defined > in the future,a new draft for the router to recognize the newly > defined extension header will be neccessary.For example,we can > define a set of parameters including the Next Header value in the > immediately preceding header,a list of the format of probable > options,the extension headers that might be placed before the newly > defined extension header,and the probable actions of the router > when meeting the extension header.The purppose of the parameters > likes the feature of virsus. > So future implementations can recognize any extension header. I don't see how we can predict this. This is exactly why we previously defined the hop-by-hop option format. It does all of these things. 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[10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbGT5-0008Mg-Cg; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:00:51 -0400 Received: from [200.25.135.74] (helo=74.135.uio.satnet.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbGT2-0001fe-LC; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:00:51 -0400 From: "Sasha Bell" To: Subject: Real home based job. High wages! Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2006 13:04:54 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Flower land International inc. is looking for qualified candidates. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Company: FlowerLand International is an american trading company. Our core values are: -To provide excellent customer service -To offer top quality products -To create and innovate The Vacancy: The company has an opportunity for talented, highly creative persons. We are looking for someone who is energetic, ambitious and intelligent. We can employ people from all over the world. The successful candidate must possess the following skills and experience: - Excellent people skills. - Punctuality. - Skilfulness. Main Advantages: - Really High Wages. - Ability to work from home. - No sign up fees, no investment is needed. - All expenses (such as phone calls, webtraffic, etc) will be fully covered by our company. - AIDS\Disability Friendly team. Degree: No degree required. How to Apply: Please send your resume to our personnel manager via email FlowerIntl@web2mail.com It must be mailed in a TXT, Microsoft Word or RTF format. From acfaf@cargosystemsmag.com Sat Oct 21 13:42:19 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbKrT-0003oN-6d; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:42:19 -0400 Received: from adsl-156-7-230.asm.bellsouth.net ([66.156.7.230]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbKrL-00069c-8W; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:42:19 -0400 Received: from [213.212.68.130] (port=2575 helo=uksmtp4.tfinforma.com) by uksmtp4.tfinforma.com with asmtp id GTLO48-N7EPQX-4C for ipoverib-admin@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2006 17:42:14 +0300 Message-ID: <01c6f538$3e6fb600$6c822ecf@acfaf> From: "Chandra Paul" {SET:debug=11} To: Subject: Part-time employment opportunity Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2006 17:42:14 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 3.3 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb None of your mistering, replied the ruffian; you always mean mischief when you come that. You know my name: out with it! I shant disgrace it when the time comes.It is due to the young lady to say that she did not positively affirm that she would not, but that she merely expressed an emphatic and earnest desire to be blessed if she would; a polite and delicate evasion of the request, which shows the young lady to have been possessed of that natural good breeding which cannot bear to inflict upon a fellowcreature, the pain of a direct and pointed refusal.Only just up to the office, my dear, said the Jew coaxingly.How long they might have sat and looked at each other, in a state of uncertainty not the most pleasant of its kind, it is difficult to guess. It is not necessary to make any guesses on the subject, however; for the sudden entrance of the two young ladies whom Oliver had seen on a former occasion, caused the conversation to flow afresh.No, she wont, Fagin, said Nancy.Only just up to the office, my dear, said the Jew coaxingly.Yes, she will, Fagin, said Sikes.Mr. Sikes contented himself with tying an imaginary knot under his left ear, and jerking his head over on the right shoulder; a piece of dumb show which the Jew appeared to understand perfectly. He then, in cant terms, with which his whole conversation was plentifully besprinkled, but which would be quite unintelligible if they were recorded here, demanded a glass of liquor.The Jew nodded assent.And Mr. Sikes was right. By dint of alternate threats, promises, and bribes, the lady in question was ultimately prevailed upon to undertake the commission. She was not, indeed, withheld by the same considerations as her agreeable friend; for, having recently removed into the neighborhood of Field Lane from the remote but genteel suburb of Ratcliffe, she was not under the same apprehension of being recognised by any of her numerous acquaintance.Wheres? inquired the young lady.How long they might have sat and looked at each other, in a state of uncertainty not the most pleasant of its kind, it is difficult to guess. It is not necessary to make any guesses on the subject, however; for the sudden entrance of the two young ladies whom Oliver had seen on a former occasion, caused the conversation to flow afresh.Why, the traps have got him, and thats all about it, said the Dodger, sullenly. Come, let go o me, will you! And, swinging himself, at one jerk, clean out of the big coat, which he left in the Jews hands, the Dodger snatched up the toasting fork, and made a pass at the merry old gentlemans waistcoat; which, if it had taken effect, would have let a little more merriment out, than could have been easily replaced.The young thieves eyed their preceptor as if they were alarmed at his violence; and looked uneasily at each other. But they made no reply.No, she wont, Fagin, said Nancy.The very thing! said the Jew. Bet will go; wont you, my dear?If he hasnt peached, and is committed, theres no fear till he comes out again, said Mr. Sikes, and then he must be taken care on. 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Our email is: FlowerIntl ( a t ) web2mail.com The successful candidate must possess the following skills and experience: - Excellent social skills. - Accuracy - Intelligence. Main Advantages: - Really High Wages. - Ability to work from home. - No sign up fees, no investment is needed. - All expenses such as phone calls, webtraffic, etc will be completely covered by our company. - AIDS\Disability Friendly team. Degree: needed. How to Apply: Please send your resume to our personnel manager via email F lowerIntl (at) web2mail.com It must be sent in a TXT, Microsoft Word or RTF format. 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( [212.119.9.178]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j3sm1811762ugd.2006.10.23.01.34.42; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:34:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Julien Laganier To: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:35:38 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200610201320.21651.julien.IETF@laposte.net> <20061020124140.GA18063@simphalempin.com> In-Reply-To: <20061020124140.GA18063@simphalempin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200610231035.39448.julien.IETF@laposte.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 Cc: Samita Chakrabarti , Erik Nordmark , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Revised address selection preference API draft-chakrabarti-ipv6-addrselect-api-04 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org On Friday 20 October 2006 14:41, R=E9mi Denis-Courmont=20 wrote: > Hello, Hi, > Some random comments: Thanks for those; see my response inlined below: > The proposed API adds a new IPv6-level socket option > (IPV6_ADDRESS_PREFERENCES). IMHO, it ought to > also specify that this can also be used as a > "non-sticky" option through sendmsg() ancilliarry > data, like other IPv6 options found in the advanced > IPv6 API. But this is specified (and somehow discouraged) in the=20 Appendix: Doing per packet address selection would=20 certainly be costly because running the algorithm=20 isn't as cheap as setting a field in a packet. Also, note that there's already setsockopt only and=20 ancillary only options (e.g. RFC3493 has=20 IPV6_UNICAST_HOPS and IPV6_MULTICAST_HOPS for=20 get/setsockopt, while RFC3542 has IPV6_HOPLIMIT only=20 for ancillary.)=20 > [...] > > The struct definition should probably be moved into > an appendix as an example implementation detail. I do not think that's an implementation detail. The=20 addrinfo struct is part of the core of RFC3493, not of=20 the appendix.=20 > [...] > > The example getaddrinfo() is flawed. DO NOT let this > flow into an RFC... freeaddrinfo() must be applied > to the pointer returned by getaddrinfo(), i.e. the > pointer to the first struct addrinfo in the linked > list. Your code is essentially equivalent to > freeaddrinfo(NULL) ! Good catch, the initial addrinfo returned by=20 getaddrinfo should be saved for later freeing. > Please specify the interaction between > AI_PREFERENCES and AI_PASSIVE - the current spec > seems to assume AI_PASSIVE is not set. Setting AI_PASSIVE means you want to bind to a socket=20 without actually initiating communications on your=20 own. In that case source address selection algorithm=20 does not apply since there's no=20 > More seriously, there are some design flaws in the > proposed getaddrinfo() extensions: > > For a start, there is a race condition if the > locally available addresses or the routing table > change between the getaddrinfo() invocation and > connect() calls, we may get unwanted results.=20 Yes there might be race conditions; that is however not=20 specific to the use of getaddrinfo() while expressing=20 address selection preferences. > Maybe a solution would be to return ai_bindaddr and > ai_connaddr instead of just ai_addr. One goal of this API is to be preserve the existing=20 basic IPv6 socket API. Besides, I don't understand how would ai_connaddr and=20 ai_bindaddr solve the issue you describe. > Also, extending the byte size of an already existing > structure might pose some problem: imagine an > application initializes a "hint" struct addrinfo, > and passes it to a library API that would tweak it > depending on some configuration or whatever, then > the application would use the same hint as a > parameter to getaddrinfo(). Now what if the > application was built with the old-style struct > addrinfo without the ai_eflags, but the library uses > it? we risk a buffer overflow there. It should never be assumed (by application, library=20 kernel...) that the ai_eflags field is present in a=20 struct addrinfo if the struct doesn't have the=20 AI_PREFERENCES flag set in its ai_flags field. Hence a buffer overflow shouldn't happen unless the=20 library of you scenario is broken. > IMHO, it might be wiser to define extended > getaddrinfo, freeaddrinfo and struct addrinfo > variants (geteaddrinfo ?) - that woud allow to use > the ai_bindaddr and ai_connaddr thing at the same > time. IMHO it's nice to avoid introducing yet another name=20 resolution primitive. Regarding ai_bindaddr and=20 ai_connaddr, see my comment above. 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with SMTP; 23 Oct 2006 14:28:43 -0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= Organization: SimPhalempin.Com To: Julien Laganier Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:28:11 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200610201320.21651.julien.IETF@laposte.net> <20061020124140.GA18063@simphalempin.com> <200610231035.39448.julien.IETF@laposte.net> In-Reply-To: <200610231035.39448.julien.IETF@laposte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200610231728.14990@auguste.remlab.net> X-Ovh-Remote: 130.233.27.57 (st3-1-3.tky.hut.fi) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 Cc: Erik Nordmark , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Revised address selection preference API draft-chakrabarti-ipv6-addrselect-api-04 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0927675731==" Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org --===============0927675731== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1856031.EUyAifLoYG"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart1856031.EUyAifLoYG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Le lundi 23 octobre 2006 11:35, Julien Laganier a =E9crit : > But this is specified (and somehow discouraged) in the > Appendix: Doing per packet address selection would > certainly be costly because running the algorithm > isn't as cheap as setting a field in a packet. It surely is more expensive that a sticky option, but it is definitely=20 much less expensive that resetting the sticky option at each send. It's=20 ok by me if it's discouraged, as long as it is specified, in case it=20 really is needed. > > More seriously, there are some design flaws in the > > proposed getaddrinfo() extensions: > > > > For a start, there is a race condition if the > > locally available addresses or the routing table > > change between the getaddrinfo() invocation and > > connect() calls, we may get unwanted results. > > Yes there might be race conditions; that is however not > specific to the use of getaddrinfo() while expressing > address selection preferences. > > > Maybe a solution would be to return ai_bindaddr and > > ai_connaddr instead of just ai_addr. > One goal of this API is to be preserve the existing > basic IPv6 socket API. Expanding a structure breaks the API already. > Besides, I don't understand how would ai_connaddr and > ai_bindaddr solve the issue you describe. It makes sure the source address that will actually be bound in the one=20 that was selected by getaddrinfo(). > It should never be assumed (by application, library > kernel...) that the ai_eflags field is present in a > struct addrinfo if the struct doesn't have the > AI_PREFERENCES flag set in its ai_flags field. IMHO, that's an ugly hack. It breaks the ABI. > Hence a buffer overflow shouldn't happen unless the > library of you scenario is broken. Sure, but that does not solve my problem. In fact buffer overflow will happen in even less obvious ways. If some=20 function compiled against the new ABI memset() an addrinfo pointer to a=20 structure allocated by a function built with the old ABI, you have a=20 buffer overflow, and well, you can't test for AI_PREFERENCES, since you=20 don't even know it exists. Very bad idea. Changing a struct storage=20 size is always a very bad idea. Why do you think people invented struct=20 sockaddr_storage instead of increasing the size of struct sockaddr when=20 rolling out the IPv6 API? > > IMHO, it might be wiser to define extended > > getaddrinfo, freeaddrinfo and struct addrinfo > > variants (geteaddrinfo ?) - that woud allow to use > > the ai_bindaddr and ai_connaddr thing at the same > > time. > IMHO it's nice to avoid introducing yet another name > resolution primitive. Regarding ai_bindaddr and > ai_connaddr, see my comment above. I don't see any point in sparing extra primitive and structure names. I think that it is much nicer than partially breaking the ABI by=20 changing the size of structure. =2D-=20 R=E9mi Denis-Courmont --nextPart1856031.EUyAifLoYG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFPNF+w+xtvt1tEr0RAnRlAKDirKH2mHvrz0/VbFjOd7x4v3042wCfXumY fNazUksUftXtUOSQoIF4QBE= =BwUi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1856031.EUyAifLoYG-- --===============0927675731== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============0927675731==-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 23 13:11:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3H7-0005eC-2A; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:07:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3H6-0005e7-2T for ipv6@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:07:44 -0400 Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.143]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3H0-00078r-CW for ipv6@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:07:44 -0400 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9NH7aPr030495 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:07:36 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k9NH7adJ288882 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:07:36 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k9NH7ZFl030229 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:07:36 -0400 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (wecm-9-67-90-241.wecm.ibm.com [9.67.90.241]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9NH7ZIO030194; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:07:35 -0400 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.13.7/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k9NH7OHG018224; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:07:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200610231707.k9NH7OHG018224@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: bob.hinden@nokia.com In-reply-to: <1436EA1D-E36E-4608-A180-FA50F439BD00@nokia.com> References: <45368973.60203@ericsson.com> <1436EA1D-E36E-4608-A180-FA50F439BD00@nokia.com> Comments: In-reply-to Bob Hinden message dated "Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:06:40 -0700." Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:07:24 -0400 From: Thomas Narten X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org, Suresh Krishnan Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org FWIW, I largely agree with Bob. The biggest issue I see with this is that this document requires code changes on routers in anticipation of a some vague, future possible new extension type. I strongly suspect that any such RFC will be largely ignored by vendors and thus won't be implemented. And if it is not implemented _now_, in the future, when that new extension is finally defined, it will be too late to matter. This sort of thing would have made more sense early on as part of the base IPv6 protocol RFC. Today, there is no compelling reason for anyone to implement this. PS, I'd also like to see some evidence that there exist potential future header extensions that routers/firewalls will need to process that can't be dealt with via (say) a hop-by-hop option or routing header. Just saying it's theoretically possible doesn't make it compelling. Thomas -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 23 13:23:09 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3VA-0004pz-39; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:22:16 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3V8-0004pr-NB for ipv6@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:22:14 -0400 Received: from imr2.ericy.com ([198.24.6.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3V2-0000To-7A for ipv6@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:22:14 -0400 Received: from eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se (eusrcmw750.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.77.50]) by imr2.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NHeOqC003659; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:40:24 -0500 Received: from eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se ([138.85.77.51]) by eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:22:07 -0500 Received: from [142.133.10.140] ([142.133.10.140]) by eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:22:06 -0500 Message-ID: <453CFAFB.9060408@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:25:15 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060313) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Narten References: <45368973.60203@ericsson.com> <1436EA1D-E36E-4608-A180-FA50F439BD00@nokia.com> <200610231707.k9NH7OHG018224@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <200610231707.k9NH7OHG018224@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2006 17:22:06.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[C390CF50:01C6F6C7] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org, bob.hinden@nokia.com Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hi Folks, Thanks a lot for the comments. I don't see myself ever requesting a new extension header and I would use Options instead, but since someone has the option to request one, we need to tighten up the spec. I would be just as happy if a new document or RFC2460bis (if any) would explicitly state that no new extension headers would be added or even strongly cautions against using extension headers. The way I see it, RFC2460 mentions that we can use either extension headers or options, but without mentioning the issues with adding new extension headers. Thanks Suresh -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 23 13:31:58 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3dv-0003ma-MK; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:31:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3du-0003mI-C6 for ipv6@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:31:18 -0400 Received: from e35.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3dl-0001YO-4L for ipv6@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:31:18 -0400 Received: from westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.11]) by e35.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9NHV6iL026679 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:31:06 -0400 Received: from d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (d03av04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.170]) by westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k9NHV6uJ483342 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:31:06 -0600 Received: from d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k9NHV6t5002463 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:31:06 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (wecm-9-67-90-241.wecm.ibm.com [9.67.90.241]) by d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9NHV5Wr002377; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:31:05 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.13.7/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k9NHV6um026001; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:31:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200610231731.k9NHV6um026001@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Suresh Krishnan In-reply-to: <453CFAFB.9060408@ericsson.com> References: <45368973.60203@ericsson.com> <1436EA1D-E36E-4608-A180-FA50F439BD00@nokia.com> <200610231707.k9NH7OHG018224@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <453CFAFB.9060408@ericsson.com> Comments: In-reply-to Suresh Krishnan message dated "Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:25:15 -0400." Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:31:06 -0400 From: Thomas Narten X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: ipv6@ietf.org, bob.hinden@nokia.com Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > Thanks a lot for the comments. I don't see myself ever requesting a > new extension header and I would use Options instead, but since someone > has the option to request one, we need to tighten up the spec. Actually, I disagree with your conclusion. Just because something isn't explicitely disallowed, doesn't mean we need to clarify anything (unless there was a real, actual, problem). That is an endless (and possibly pointless) task. First, let's be pragmatic. If there is no real problem to fix here, can we please spend our cycles on problems where we might actually make a difference in the real world? > I would be just as happy if a new document or RFC2460bis (if any) > would explicitly state that no new extension headers would be added Why should we rule that out? Besides, such a proclamation would be useless, since we could easily overrule it if we ever came up with a justification for defining a new extension header. > or even strongly cautions against using extension headers. Why? If someone later comes up with a problem, and extension headers (despite any drawbacks w.r.t. deployed code) seem like the best answer, we can have a conversation about the pros and cons then. > The way I see it, RFC2460 mentions that we can use either extension > headers or options, but without mentioning the issues with adding > new extension headers. Again, no standard is 100% complete and covers every imaginable scenario. You yourself admit that you don't have a real need for an extension to point to. If there is no real, compelling problem to solve, can we please just drop the discussion and move on to something with some actual importance? 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megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcFrv-0000Zy-EZ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:34:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcFrt-0000Xv-EG for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:34:33 -0400 Received: from eunet-gw.ipv6.netcore.fi ([2001:670:86:3001::1] helo=netcore.fi) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcFrr-0000u1-VK for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:34:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9O6YIH8007213; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:34:19 +0300 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:34:18 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: Thomas Narten In-Reply-To: <200610231731.k9NHV6um026001@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: References: <45368973.60203@ericsson.com> <1436EA1D-E36E-4608-A180-FA50F439BD00@nokia.com> <200610231707.k9NH7OHG018224@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <453CFAFB.9060408@ericsson.com> <200610231731.k9NHV6um026001@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.5/2087/Tue Oct 24 00:28:58 2006 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_40, NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on otso.netcore.fi X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: bob.hinden@nokia.com, ipv6@ietf.org, Suresh Krishnan Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Thomas Narten wrote: > > or even strongly cautions against using extension headers. > > Why? If someone later comes up with a problem, and extension headers > (despite any drawbacks w.r.t. deployed code) seem like the best > answer, we can have a conversation about the pros and cons then. When some other WG designs a solution like this, they are not going to ask IPv6 WG and not necessarily even any IPv6 expert on guidance for this, because they don't think they're designing an extension header -- rather a new IP protocol which just happens to support (or be extended to support) Next Header types other than IPPROTO_NONE. We can always push back at IETF last call or IESG review, but without having a backing of an IETF consensus document to say "you really shouldn't be doing this unless you have very good reasons for it" would be helpful in that dialogue. It'd be even more helpful because folks could be pointed to it (or could find it themselves) before the issue even arose at the end of the process (when it's usually much too late to fix it in any case). (FWIW I'd like to see a similar consensus document on Router Alert option..) -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 24 09:32:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcMJr-0005bn-Iv; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:27:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcMJq-0005bh-8w for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:27:50 -0400 Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([2001:700:1::eecb]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcMJp-0002rG-Id for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:27:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8A087C17; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:27:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tyholt.uninett.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02447-01-36; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:27:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6?2001?700?1?7?215?f2ff?fe35?307d] (sverresborg.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:7:215:f2ff:fe35:307d]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA1187BF5; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:27:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <453E14C9.5070808@uninett.no> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:27:37 +0200 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20060613) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pekka Savola References: <45368973.60203@ericsson.com> <1436EA1D-E36E-4608-A180-FA50F439BD00@nokia.com> <200610231707.k9NH7OHG018224@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <453CFAFB.9060408@ericsson.com> <200610231731.k9NHV6um026001@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at uninett.no X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: Thomas Narten , ipv6@ietf.org, bob.hinden@nokia.com, Suresh Krishnan Subject: Re: New draft on IPv6 extension headers X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Pekka Savola wrote: > On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Thomas Narten wrote: > >>>or even strongly cautions against using extension headers. >> >>Why? If someone later comes up with a problem, and extension headers >>(despite any drawbacks w.r.t. deployed code) seem like the best >>answer, we can have a conversation about the pros and cons then. > > > When some other WG designs a solution like this, they are not going to > ask IPv6 WG and not necessarily even any IPv6 expert on guidance for > this, because they don't think they're designing an extension header > -- rather a new IP protocol which just happens to support (or be > extended to support) Next Header types other than IPPROTO_NONE. One "new" extension header is shim6. Would it have made more sense as a destination option? 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by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcSHD-0002iC-9y for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:49:36 -0400 Received: from eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.9.49]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9OJnUvF003606 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:49:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id k9OJnTMR002109 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9OJqI7O015832 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id k9OJqI9M015829; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:52:18 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17726.28402.301006.138923@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:52:18 -0400 From: James Carlson To: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Subject: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org I've done quite a bit of searching over the archives and over various web resources, but I haven't seen this issue addressed directly. Apologies if I've just missed it. RFC 3484 ("Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6)") section 5 gives a set of ordered comparisons for source address selection. However, missing from this list is a distinction implied by RFCs 2461 and 2462: some systems may have a mix of addresses acquired by stateless address autoconfiguration, stateful (DHCPv6) configuration, and manual addressing. How are these distinguished? Rule 7 does address the temporary (RFC 3041) addresses, but what about these other flavors of addresses? Are they distinguished only by scope? Was this issue addressed and intentionally omitted from the RFC? (If so, I don't see it in the archives.) I suspect that some clients may need to distinguish among the various flavors here. I'd suggest amending Rule 7 to read: Rule 7: Prefer stable, public addresses. If SA is a manually-configured address and SB is automatic or temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is automatically configured via stateful (DHCPv6) methods and SB is automatically configured via stateless methods or temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is automatically configured via stateless methods and SB is temporary, prefer SA. Similarly, if SB is a manually-configured address and SA is not, then prefer SB. If SB is stateful and SA is stateless or temporary, prefer SB. If SB is stateless and SA is temporary, prefer SB. When the application has the "prefer temporary address" flag enabled, all temporary addresses are (within this rule) elevated in preference above manually-configured addresses. The other preferences are unaltered. (In other words, the preference order with this flag set becomes temporary first, then manual, stateful, and stateless last.) ... or, to simplify, defining a "stability_of_address(A)" function that can work here. -- James Carlson, KISS Network Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 24 21:49:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXob-0003pX-Ca; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:44:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXoZ-0003mG-GU for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:44:19 -0400 Received: from pacdcoavas09.cable.comcast.com ([208.17.33.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXoX-0003pF-5o for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:44:19 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:44:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb3pgIk8xYnjqKNQNKo83XYqThAwAAL+mhQ From: "Durand, Alain" To: "James Carlson" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2006 01:44:04.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DC6F5D0:01C6F7D7] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d Cc: Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org I like your rule7bis algorithm. When RFC3484 was discussed, it was clear that it will need to be revisited over time to cover new types of addresses or new use cases. - Alain. > -----Original Message----- > From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:52 PM > To: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: address selection and DHCPv6 >=20 > I've done quite a bit of searching over the archives and over=20 > various web resources, but I haven't seen this issue=20 > addressed directly. > Apologies if I've just missed it. >=20 > RFC 3484 ("Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version 6 > (IPv6)") section 5 gives a set of ordered comparisons for=20 > source address selection. However, missing from this list is=20 > a distinction implied by RFCs 2461 and 2462: some systems may=20 > have a mix of addresses acquired by stateless address=20 > autoconfiguration, stateful > (DHCPv6) configuration, and manual addressing. How are these=20 > distinguished? >=20 > Rule 7 does address the temporary (RFC 3041) addresses, but=20 > what about these other flavors of addresses? Are they=20 > distinguished only by scope? >=20 > Was this issue addressed and intentionally omitted from the=20 > RFC? (If so, I don't see it in the archives.) >=20 > I suspect that some clients may need to distinguish among the=20 > various flavors here. I'd suggest amending Rule 7 to read: >=20 > Rule 7: Prefer stable, public addresses. > If SA is a manually-configured address and SB is automatic or > temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is automatically configured via > stateful (DHCPv6) methods and SB is automatically configured via > stateless methods or temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is > automatically configured via stateless methods and SB is temporary, > prefer SA. >=20 > Similarly, if SB is a manually-configured address and SA is not, > then prefer SB. If SB is stateful and SA is stateless or > temporary, prefer SB. If SB is stateless and SA is temporary, > prefer SB. >=20 > When the application has the "prefer temporary address" flag > enabled, all temporary addresses are (within this rule) elevated in > preference above manually-configured addresses. The other > preferences are unaltered. (In other words, the preference order > with this flag set becomes temporary first, then manual, stateful, > and stateless last.) >=20 > ... or, to simplify, defining a "stability_of_address(A)"=20 > function that can work here. >=20 > --=20 > James Carlson, KISS Network =20 > > Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1=20 > 781 442 2084 > MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1=20 > 781 442 1677 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 24 22:05:07 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcY6k-0001ik-KM; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:03:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcY6i-0001bo-QD for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:03:04 -0400 Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.53]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcY6h-00077R-45 for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:03:04 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7O008R65VP25@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:07:01 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7O00J7X5VOI0@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:07:01 +0800 (CST) Received: from z52447 ([10.164.5.19]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0J7O001TU5YD7Q@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:08:40 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:02:13 +0800 From: Lawrence Zou In-reply-to: <17726.28402.301006.138923@gargle.gargle.HOWL> To: 'James Carlson' , ipv6@ietf.org Message-id: <001501c6f7d9$9703f260$1305a40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acb3peWUL4k/thsZRFScbCKRexboPgAMd74g X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f66b12316365a3fe519e75911daf28a8 Cc: Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org I don't think we should amending rule 7 in such a way. in fact , i think this will make the rule 8 unworkable. according to RFC3484,when at last we have two source address available,both can pass rule1-rule7,then,the rule 8 will chose the longest match prefix.but if we amend rule 7 and prefer manul-configured address,some thing changed,for example: address A is autoconfigured and belong to ISP1,host use it to access network of ISP1. address B is manuconfigured and belong to ISP2,host use it to access network of ISP2. then if we prefer manuconfigured address ,we will chose address B as source when we access ISP1,that maybe refused by the PE router of ISP1 for the reason of soure address filter. Best regards, Lawrence >-----Original Message----- >From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:52 AM >To: ipv6@ietf.org >Subject: address selection and DHCPv6 > >I've done quite a bit of searching over the archives and over >various web resources, but I haven't seen this issue addressed >directly. >Apologies if I've just missed it. > >RFC 3484 ("Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version 6 >(IPv6)") section 5 gives a set of ordered comparisons for >source address selection. However, missing from this list is >a distinction implied by RFCs 2461 and 2462: some systems may >have a mix of addresses acquired by stateless address >autoconfiguration, stateful >(DHCPv6) configuration, and manual addressing. How are these >distinguished? > >Rule 7 does address the temporary (RFC 3041) addresses, but >what about these other flavors of addresses? Are they >distinguished only by scope? > >Was this issue addressed and intentionally omitted from the >RFC? (If so, I don't see it in the archives.) > >I suspect that some clients may need to distinguish among the >various flavors here. I'd suggest amending Rule 7 to read: > > Rule 7: Prefer stable, public addresses. > If SA is a manually-configured address and SB is automatic or > temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is automatically configured via > stateful (DHCPv6) methods and SB is automatically configured via > stateless methods or temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is > automatically configured via stateless methods and SB is temporary, > prefer SA. > > Similarly, if SB is a manually-configured address and SA is not, > then prefer SB. If SB is stateful and SA is stateless or > temporary, prefer SB. If SB is stateless and SA is temporary, > prefer SB. > > When the application has the "prefer temporary address" flag > enabled, all temporary addresses are (within this rule) elevated in > preference above manually-configured addresses. The other > preferences are unaltered. (In other words, the preference order > with this flag set becomes temporary first, then manual, stateful, > and stateless last.) > >... or, to simplify, defining a "stability_of_address(A)" >function that can work here. > >-- >James Carlson, KISS Network > >Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 >781 442 2084 >MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 >781 442 1677 > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >ipv6@ietf.org >Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 24 22:53:51 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcYpT-0008Ts-H7; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:49:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcYpS-0008Tg-Pg for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:49:18 -0400 Received: from pacdcoavas09.cable.comcast.com ([208.17.33.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcYgz-0008RD-8r for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:40:35 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:39:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb3peWUL4k/thsZRFScbCKRexboPgAMd74gAAG3ZnA= From: "Durand, Alain" To: "Lawrence Zou" , "James Carlson" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2006 02:39:59.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD5BF730:01C6F7DE] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c83ccb5cc10e751496398f1233ca9c3a Cc: Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Lawrence, You have a point... For this to work, we may have to do it after the longest prefix match rule, but limit the match to the upper 64 bits. - Alain.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Zou [mailto:zou.rong@huawei.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:02 PM > To: 'James Carlson'; ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >=20 > I don't think we should amending rule 7 in such a way. > in fact , i think this will make the rule 8 unworkable. > according to RFC3484,when at last we have two source address=20 > available,both can pass rule1-rule7,then,the rule 8 will=20 > chose the longest match prefix.but if we amend rule 7 and=20 > prefer manul-configured address,some thing changed,for example: > address A is autoconfigured and belong to ISP1,host use it=20 > to access network of ISP1. > address B is manuconfigured and belong to ISP2,host use it to=20 > access network of ISP2. > then if we prefer manuconfigured address ,we will chose=20 > address B as source when we access ISP1,that maybe refused by=20 > the PE router of ISP1 for the reason of soure address filter. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Lawrence =20 >=20 > >-----Original Message----- > >From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com]=20 > >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:52 AM > >To: ipv6@ietf.org > >Subject: address selection and DHCPv6 > > > >I've done quite a bit of searching over the archives and over=20 > >various web resources, but I haven't seen this issue addressed=20 > >directly. > >Apologies if I've just missed it. > > > >RFC 3484 ("Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version 6 > >(IPv6)") section 5 gives a set of ordered comparisons for=20 > >source address selection. However, missing from this list is=20 > >a distinction implied by RFCs 2461 and 2462: some systems may=20 > >have a mix of addresses acquired by stateless address=20 > >autoconfiguration, stateful > >(DHCPv6) configuration, and manual addressing. How are these=20 > >distinguished? > > > >Rule 7 does address the temporary (RFC 3041) addresses, but=20 > >what about these other flavors of addresses? Are they=20 > >distinguished only by scope? > > > >Was this issue addressed and intentionally omitted from the=20 > >RFC? (If so, I don't see it in the archives.) > > > >I suspect that some clients may need to distinguish among the=20 > >various flavors here. I'd suggest amending Rule 7 to read: > > > > Rule 7: Prefer stable, public addresses. > > If SA is a manually-configured address and SB is automatic or > > temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is automatically configured via > > stateful (DHCPv6) methods and SB is automatically configured via > > stateless methods or temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is > > automatically configured via stateless methods and SB is > temporary, > > prefer SA. > > > > Similarly, if SB is a manually-configured address and SA is not, > > then prefer SB. If SB is stateful and SA is stateless or > > temporary, prefer SB. If SB is stateless and SA is temporary, > > prefer SB. > > > > When the application has the "prefer temporary address" flag > > enabled, all temporary addresses are (within this rule) elevated > in > > preference above manually-configured addresses. The other > > preferences are unaltered. (In other words, the preference order > > with this flag set becomes temporary first, then manual, stateful, > > and stateless last.) > > > >... or, to simplify, defining a "stability_of_address(A)"=20 > >function that can work here. > > > >--=20 > >James Carlson, KISS Network =20 > > > >Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1=20 > >781 442 2084 > >MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1=20 > >781 442 1677 > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > >ipv6@ietf.org > >Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 24 23:46:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcZga-00039U-8c; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:44:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcZgY-00036x-9q for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:44:10 -0400 Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcZe8-0004bK-En for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:41:42 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7O000KYAR8BN@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:52:20 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7O0048MAR6VT@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:52:20 +0800 (CST) Received: from z52447 ([10.164.5.19]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0J7O00GBSAUCUR@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:54:15 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:40:34 +0800 From: Lawrence Zou In-reply-to: To: "'Durand, Alain'" , 'James Carlson' , ipv6@ietf.org Message-id: <001601c6f7e7$54674d40$1305a40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acb3peWUL4k/thsZRFScbCKRexboPgAMd74gAAG3ZnAAAiszIA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 29dc808194f5fb921c09d0040806d6eb Cc: Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org another rule 9? Best regards, Lawrence >-----Original Message----- >From: Durand, Alain [mailto:Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:40 AM >To: Lawrence Zou; James Carlson; ipv6@ietf.org >Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 > >Lawrence, > >You have a point... >For this to work, we may have to do it after the longest >prefix match rule, but limit the match to the upper 64 bits. > > - Alain. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lawrence Zou [mailto:zou.rong@huawei.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:02 PM >> To: 'James Carlson'; ipv6@ietf.org >> Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >> >> I don't think we should amending rule 7 in such a way. >> in fact , i think this will make the rule 8 unworkable. >> according to RFC3484,when at last we have two source address >> available,both can pass rule1-rule7,then,the rule 8 will chose the >> longest match prefix.but if we amend rule 7 and prefer >> manul-configured address,some thing changed,for example: >> address A is autoconfigured and belong to ISP1,host use it >to access >> network of ISP1. >> address B is manuconfigured and belong to ISP2,host use it to access >> network of ISP2. >> then if we prefer manuconfigured address ,we will chose address B as >> source when we access ISP1,that maybe refused by the PE >router of ISP1 >> for the reason of soure address filter. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Lawrence >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com] >> >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:52 AM >> >To: ipv6@ietf.org >> >Subject: address selection and DHCPv6 >> > >> >I've done quite a bit of searching over the archives and >over various >> >web resources, but I haven't seen this issue addressed directly. >> >Apologies if I've just missed it. >> > >> >RFC 3484 ("Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version 6 >> >(IPv6)") section 5 gives a set of ordered comparisons for source >> >address selection. However, missing from this list is a >distinction >> >implied by RFCs 2461 and 2462: some systems may have a mix of >> >addresses acquired by stateless address autoconfiguration, stateful >> >(DHCPv6) configuration, and manual addressing. How are these >> >distinguished? >> > >> >Rule 7 does address the temporary (RFC 3041) addresses, but what >> >about these other flavors of addresses? Are they >distinguished only >> >by scope? >> > >> >Was this issue addressed and intentionally omitted from the >RFC? (If >> >so, I don't see it in the archives.) >> > >> >I suspect that some clients may need to distinguish among >the various >> >flavors here. I'd suggest amending Rule 7 to read: >> > >> > Rule 7: Prefer stable, public addresses. >> > If SA is a manually-configured address and SB is automatic or >> > temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is automatically configured via >> > stateful (DHCPv6) methods and SB is automatically configured via >> > stateless methods or temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is >> > automatically configured via stateless methods and SB is >> temporary, >> > prefer SA. >> > >> > Similarly, if SB is a manually-configured address and SA is not, >> > then prefer SB. If SB is stateful and SA is stateless or >> > temporary, prefer SB. If SB is stateless and SA is temporary, >> > prefer SB. >> > >> > When the application has the "prefer temporary address" flag >> > enabled, all temporary addresses are (within this rule) elevated >> in >> > preference above manually-configured addresses. The other >> > preferences are unaltered. (In other words, the preference order >> > with this flag set becomes temporary first, then manual, >stateful, >> > and stateless last.) >> > >> >... or, to simplify, defining a "stability_of_address(A)" >> >function that can work here. >> > >> >-- >> >James Carlson, KISS Network >> > >> >Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 >> >781 442 2084 >> >MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 >> >781 442 1677 >> > >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> >ipv6@ietf.org >> >Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> ipv6@ietf.org >> Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 25 01:16:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcb3t-0007ME-5I; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:12:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcb3r-0007Lu-B0 for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:12:19 -0400 Received: from h3cml02-in.huawei-3com.com ([210.21.230.97] helo=huawei-3com.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcb3i-0007xT-4t for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:12:19 -0400 Received: from huawei-3com.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h3cml02-in.huawei-3com.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7O00IXJEZW9P@h3cml02-in.huawei-3com.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:23:56 +0800 (CST) Received: from smtp1.huawei-3com.com ([172.19.1.38]) by h3cml02-in.huawei-3com.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7O00HAYEZQRK@h3cml02-in.huawei-3com.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:23:56 +0800 (CST) Received: from unknown (HELO s02000) ([10.136.0.225]) by smtp1.huawei-3com.com with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:10:56 +0800 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:17:28 +0800 From: Su Thunder To: James Carlson , ipv6@ietf.org Message-id: <002b01c6f7f4$dd957bc0$e100880a@s02000> Organization: H3C MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <17726.28402.301006.138923@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Cc: Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Su Thunder List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org For example,an interface has two an addresses, automatic-configured 1000::1/65 and manually-configured 2000::1/64,and 1000::2/64 is the on-link neighbour of the interface.We send a packet, for example and ICMPv6 echo, with a destination address of 1000::2 from the interface,then the source address would be 2000::1because it is manually-configured.Then the destination address of the ICMPv6 echo reply would be 2000::1,in the worse case,the sender of the ICMPv6 echo reply does not have a route to 2000::0/64.The sender of ICMPv6 echo would not receive an echo reply, though it had sent a packet to it's on-link neighbour. The mainly porpuse of source address is two-way communication,it has nothing to do with the way it is configured. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Carlson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:52 AM Subject: address selection and DHCPv6 > I've done quite a bit of searching over the archives and over various > web resources, but I haven't seen this issue addressed directly. > Apologies if I've just missed it. > > RFC 3484 ("Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version 6 > (IPv6)") section 5 gives a set of ordered comparisons for source > address selection. However, missing from this list is a distinction > implied by RFCs 2461 and 2462: some systems may have a mix of > addresses acquired by stateless address autoconfiguration, stateful > (DHCPv6) configuration, and manual addressing. How are these > distinguished? > > Rule 7 does address the temporary (RFC 3041) addresses, but what about > these other flavors of addresses? Are they distinguished only by > scope? > > Was this issue addressed and intentionally omitted from the RFC? (If > so, I don't see it in the archives.) > > I suspect that some clients may need to distinguish among the various > flavors here. I'd suggest amending Rule 7 to read: > > Rule 7: Prefer stable, public addresses. > If SA is a manually-configured address and SB is automatic or > temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is automatically configured via > stateful (DHCPv6) methods and SB is automatically configured via > stateless methods or temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is > automatically configured via stateless methods and SB is temporary, > prefer SA. > > Similarly, if SB is a manually-configured address and SA is not, > then prefer SB. If SB is stateful and SA is stateless or > temporary, prefer SB. If SB is stateless and SA is temporary, > prefer SB. > > When the application has the "prefer temporary address" flag > enabled, all temporary addresses are (within this rule) elevated in > preference above manually-configured addresses. The other > preferences are unaltered. (In other words, the preference order > with this flag set becomes temporary first, then manual, stateful, > and stateless last.) > > ... or, to simplify, defining a "stability_of_address(A)" function > that can work here. > > -- > James Carlson, KISS Network > Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 > MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 25 01:37:43 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcbQn-0000Qj-0l; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:36:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcbQl-0000QV-V9 for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:35:59 -0400 Received: from paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com ([208.17.35.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcbQg-0002fs-Ii for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:35:59 -0400 Received: from ([10.20.62.13]) by paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-TDCH3.25812276; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:35:29 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PACDCEXCRLY01.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:35:30 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:35:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb3peWUL4k/thsZRFScbCKRexboPgAMd74gAAG3ZnAAAiszIAAEAHRw From: "Durand, Alain" To: "Lawrence Zou" , "James Carlson" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2006 05:35:30.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[6205FC20:01C6F7F7] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 20f22c03b5c66958bff5ef54fcda6e48 Cc: Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Actually, I would say a variation of rule 8: Rule 8 may be superseded if the implementation has other means of choosing among source addresses. For example, if the implementation somehow knows which source address will result in the "best" communications performance. - Alain.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Zou [mailto:zou.rong@huawei.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:41 PM > To: Durand, Alain; 'James Carlson'; ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >=20 > another rule 9? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Lawrence =20 >=20 > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Durand, Alain [mailto:Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:40 AM > >To: Lawrence Zou; James Carlson; ipv6@ietf.org > >Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 > > > >Lawrence, > > > >You have a point... > >For this to work, we may have to do it after the longest=20 > prefix match=20 > >rule, but limit the match to the upper 64 bits. > > > > - Alain.=20 > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Lawrence Zou [mailto:zou.rong@huawei.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:02 PM > >> To: 'James Carlson'; ipv6@ietf.org > >> Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 > >>=20 > >> I don't think we should amending rule 7 in such a way. > >> in fact , i think this will make the rule 8 unworkable. > >> according to RFC3484,when at last we have two source address=20 > >> available,both can pass rule1-rule7,then,the rule 8 will chose the=20 > >> longest match prefix.but if we amend rule 7 and prefer=20 > >> manul-configured address,some thing changed,for example: > >> address A is autoconfigured and belong to ISP1,host use it > >to access > >> network of ISP1. > >> address B is manuconfigured and belong to ISP2,host use it to > access=20 > >> network of ISP2. > >> then if we prefer manuconfigured address ,we will chose address B > as=20 > >> source when we access ISP1,that maybe refused by the PE > >router of ISP1 > >> for the reason of soure address filter. > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> Best regards, > >>=20 > >> Lawrence > >>=20 > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com] > >> >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:52 AM > >> >To: ipv6@ietf.org > >> >Subject: address selection and DHCPv6 > >> > > >> >I've done quite a bit of searching over the archives and > >over various > >> >web resources, but I haven't seen this issue addressed directly. > >> >Apologies if I've just missed it. > >> > > >> >RFC 3484 ("Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version > 6 > >> >(IPv6)") section 5 gives a set of ordered comparisons for source=20 > >> >address selection. However, missing from this list is a > >distinction > >> >implied by RFCs 2461 and 2462: some systems may have a mix of=20 > >> >addresses acquired by stateless address autoconfiguration, > stateful > >> >(DHCPv6) configuration, and manual addressing. How are these=20 > >> >distinguished? > >> > > >> >Rule 7 does address the temporary (RFC 3041) addresses, but what=20 > >> >about these other flavors of addresses? Are they > >distinguished only > >> >by scope? > >> > > >> >Was this issue addressed and intentionally omitted from the > >RFC? (If > >> >so, I don't see it in the archives.) > >> > > >> >I suspect that some clients may need to distinguish among > >the various > >> >flavors here. I'd suggest amending Rule 7 to read: > >> > > >> > Rule 7: Prefer stable, public addresses. > >> > If SA is a manually-configured address and SB is automatic or > >> > temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is automatically configured > via > >> > stateful (DHCPv6) methods and SB is automatically configured > via > >> > stateless methods or temporary, then prefer SA. If SA is > >> > automatically configured via stateless methods and SB is > >> temporary, > >> > prefer SA. > >> > > >> > Similarly, if SB is a manually-configured address and SA is > not, > >> > then prefer SB. If SB is stateful and SA is stateless or > >> > temporary, prefer SB. If SB is stateless and SA is temporary, > >> > prefer SB. > >> > > >> > When the application has the "prefer temporary address" flag > >> > enabled, all temporary addresses are (within this rule) > elevated > >> in > >> > preference above manually-configured addresses. The other > >> > preferences are unaltered. (In other words, the preference > order > >> > with this flag set becomes temporary first, then manual, > >stateful, > >> > and stateless last.) > >> > > >> >... or, to simplify, defining a "stability_of_address(A)"=20 > >> >function that can work here. > >> > > >> >--=20 > >> >James Carlson, KISS Network =20 > >> > > >> >Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1=20 > >> >781 442 2084 > >> >MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1=20 > >> >781 442 1677 > >> > > >> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative=20 > >> >Requests: > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > >> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >>=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > >> ipv6@ietf.org > >> Administrative Requests: > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ifukiwu@pentonoverseas.com Wed Oct 25 05:50:26 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcfP0-0006Up-Qm for ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:50:26 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcfP0-0005St-NP for ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:50:26 -0400 Received: from aannecy-157-1-57-228.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr ([86.219.216.228]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcfOx-00057h-D1 for ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:50:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c6f81a$f7c0e590$e4d8db56@STAGIAIRE2> From: "But" To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: religious Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:50:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6F82B.BB49B590" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: ed68cc91cc637fea89623888898579ba ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6F82B.BB49B590 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000C_01C6F82B.BB49B590" ------=_NextPart_001_000C_01C6F82B.BB49B590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable News Bound Human in Skin April Read but discovery has since met of with = some nervous or possible religious have focused. 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Lockheed beats Boeing for mo= on launcher LONDON, ENGLAND: 16 held in British terror swoops KANDAHAR FARG= O, North Dakota (AP) -- Alfonso Rodriguez Jr. stabbed college student Dru S= jodin, slit her throat and left her to die, a federal prosecutor told juror= s Monday. WASHINGTON (AP) -- The thwarted terrorist airline plot in Britain= is sparking a bitter new round of finger-pointing in Connecticut's bruisin= g Senate race. Latest job growth numbers: 'Just right' RICHMOND, Virginia (= AP) -- A man accused of killing a musician and his family and suspected in = a series of other crimes pleaded not guilty Monday as jury selection got un= der way in his capital murder trial.
FARGO, North Dakota (AP) -- = Alfonso Rodriguez Jr. stabbed college student Dru Sjodin, slit her throat a= nd left her to die, a federal prosecutor told jurors Monday. NEW YORK (AP) = -- Talk-show hosts Jerry Springer and conservative Tucker Carlson of MSNBC = will be among the celebrities competing on the third season of ABC televisi= on's "Dancing With the Stars. Layoffs loom -- how safe are you? Ernesto bla= med for knocking out power to more than 400,000 Layoffs loom -- how safe ar= e you? LONDON, ENGLAND: 16 held in British terror swoops KANDAHAR Are you p= aid what you're worth?
NEW YORK (AP) -- Talk-show h= osts Jerry Springer and conservative Tucker Carlson of MSNBC will be among = the celebrities competing on the third season of ABC television's "Dancing = With the Stars. Money Magazine: Best jobs in America NEW YORK (CM) -- Soft = drink and snack company PepsiCo Inc. announced Monday that chief financial = officer Indra Nooyi will take over from Chairman and CEO Steve Reinemund th= is October. She becomes the first woman to hold the post and enters the lis= t of lea More than 200 homes evacuated in Richmond, Virginia Lions cut ties= with former No. 2 pick Rogers Flood warnings issued for four states and Di= strict of Columbia
KANDAHAR, AFGHANISTAN: 14 de= ad in Afghanistan crash Are you paid what you're worth? Ernesto blamed for = knocking out power to more than 400,000 AFGHANISTAN: 14 Britons dead in Afg= han aircraft crash LONDON CHOWCHILLA, California (AP) -- Sara Jane Olson, t= he former Symbionese Liberation Army fugitive who became a Minnesota housew= ife and is now serving prison time for trying to bomb police cars in the 19= 70s, says she tries to hide her radical past from her fe ASIA More Asia New= s BANGKOK, THAILAND: Thai bombs leave 2 dead, 28 hurt
NEW YORK (AP) -- Talk-show h= osts Jerry Springer and conservative Tucker Carlson of MSNBC will be among = the celebrities competing on the third season of ABC television's "Dancing = With the Stars. WASHINGTON (AP) -- The thwarted terrorist airline plot in B= ritain is sparking a bitter new round of finger-pointing in Connecticut's b= ruising Senate race. FARGO, North Dakota (AP) -- Alfonso Rodriguez Jr. stab= bed college student Dru Sjodin, slit her throat and left her to die, a fede= ral prosecutor told jurors Monday. NEW YORK (AP) -- Talk-show hosts Jerry S= pringer and conservative Tucker Carlson of MSNBC will be among the celebrit= ies competing on the third season of ABC television's "Dancing With the Sta= rs. NEW YORK (AP) -- Talk-show hosts Jerry Springer and conservative Tucker= Carlson of MSNBC will be among the celebrities competing on the third seas= on of ABC television's "Dancing With the Stars. RICHMOND, Virginia (AP) -- = A man accused of killing a musician and his family and suspected in a serie= s of other crimes pleaded not guilty Monday as jury selection got under way= in his capital murder trial.
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Message-ID: <453F6F7F.3060709@hp.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:06:55 -0400 From: Vlad Yasevich User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Carlson References: <17726.28402.301006.138923@gargle.gargle.HOWL> In-Reply-To: <17726.28402.301006.138923@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org James Carlson wrote: > I've done quite a bit of searching over the archives and over various > web resources, but I haven't seen this issue addressed directly. > Apologies if I've just missed it. > > RFC 3484 ("Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version 6 > (IPv6)") section 5 gives a set of ordered comparisons for source > address selection. However, missing from this list is a distinction > implied by RFCs 2461 and 2462: some systems may have a mix of > addresses acquired by stateless address autoconfiguration, stateful > (DHCPv6) configuration, and manual addressing. How are these > distinguished? > > Rule 7 does address the temporary (RFC 3041) addresses, but what about > these other flavors of addresses? Are they distinguished only by > scope? > Why do you want to distinguish between DHCP, manual, and autoconfigured addresses? If they are all of the same scope, then the longest prefix match _should_ give you the best one to use. If they are of different scopes, the scope rule will select the better address. Method of configuration doesn't really play any role here... Temporary addresses are a privacy subset of autoconfigured addresses, and are thus spelled out in the document. -vlad -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 25 10:20:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcjbz-0005td-EC; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:20:07 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcjbx-0005tQ-QW for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:20:05 -0400 Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.42.14]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcjbr-0000yD-56 for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:20:05 -0400 Received: from eastmail4bur.east.Sun.COM ([129.148.13.1]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9PEJwgh022229 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by eastmail4bur.east.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id k9PEJvqR001700 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9PEMlxi019143; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id k9PEMlXH019140; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:22:47 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17727.29494.755490.142365@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:22:46 -0400 From: James Carlson To: Vlad Yasevich In-Reply-To: <453F6F7F.3060709@hp.com> References: <17726.28402.301006.138923@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <453F6F7F.3060709@hp.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Vlad Yasevich writes: > Why do you want to distinguish between DHCP, manual, and autoconfigured > addresses? In some deployments, DHCP-derived and manually configured addresses may have attributes that statelessly autoconfigured addresses do not, such as useful DNS entries. Stateless autoconfiguration _can_ (though of course usually does not) lead to address instability over time as well, where stateful methods are more stable. > If they are all of the same scope, then the longest prefix > match _should_ give you the best one to use. If they are of different > scopes, the scope rule will select the better address. If they're of the same scope and in the same prefix, then what? An alternative might be a new "rule 9" that compares address stability as a final tie-breaker. Would that be more acceptable? > Temporary addresses are a privacy subset of autoconfigured addresses, > and are thus spelled out in the document. I would think that if the scope and prefix rules alone were sufficient to distinguish DHCPv6 addresses from the others, then those same rules would be enough to distinguish temporary addresses, at least for the default (non-preferred) case. The mechanisms that create both are similar. In any event, it's a good thing that the operator behind the question (Alain Durand) is on the list. I hope he can follow up with specifics of the deployment problem he faces. -- James Carlson, KISS Network Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 25 12:01:43 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcl8a-00084e-Na; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:57:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcl8Z-00084Z-0O for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:57:51 -0400 Received: from pacdcoavas09.cable.comcast.com ([208.17.33.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcl8U-0005U4-MJ for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:57:50 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:47:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb4QDUtAB3n2IGrS7Gh5pGt7TBUxQAC3lyg From: "Durand, Alain" To: "Vlad Yasevich" , "James Carlson" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2006 15:47:54.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF57A7E0:01C6F84C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Vlad Yasevich [mailto:vladislav.yasevich@hp.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:07 AM > To: James Carlson > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 > Why do you want to distinguish between DHCP, manual, and=20 > autoconfigured addresses? If they are all of the same scope,=20 > then the longest prefix match _should_ give you the best one=20 > to use. If they are of different scopes, the scope rule will=20 > select the better address. >=20 > Method of configuration doesn't really play any role here... Yes, they do, especially when different types of addreses are configured on the same Interface/prefix. For example, you can have a host with mannually configured address 2001:db8:1:1::1 and a stateless autoconf address within the same prefix: 2001:db8:1:1:aaaa:aaaa:aaaa:aaaa As the manualy configured ones are supposed to be more stable than the autoconf ones (they do not depend on a piece of hardware) you might want to use them in access list, firewalls,... They might also be the only one populated in the reverse DNS tree... So, yes, there is a reason to prefer a configured address over a stateless autoconf one. Same argument applies with DHCPv6 configured addresses. I know you can play with the A bit in the RA to prevent hosts from doing stateless autoconf, but this is a prefix wide directive, it lacks the host (or group of hosts) granularity. On some OS you can disable stateless autoconf, but this can be cumbersome. What is proposed here is essentially a fail safe mechanism that will make sure that if you combined the different address configuration types on a subnet, the basic mode of operation is predictible. - Alain. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 25 12:24:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GclWf-00013a-Px; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:22:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GclWd-00013T-O9 for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:22:43 -0400 Received: from atlrel9.hp.com ([156.153.255.214]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GclWZ-0002O8-B0 for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:22:43 -0400 Received: from smtp1.fc.hp.com (smtp-test.fc.hp.com [15.15.136.127]) by atlrel9.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E0A3AAC8; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [16.116.113.226] (galen.zko.hp.com [16.116.113.226]) by smtp1.fc.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D721085D8; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <453F8F4B.7030303@hp.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:22:35 -0400 From: Vlad Yasevich User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Durand, Alain" References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Durand, Alain wrote: > > Yes, they do, especially when different types of addreses > are configured on the same Interface/prefix. > For example, you can have a host with mannually configured > address 2001:db8:1:1::1 and a stateless autoconf address > within the same prefix: 2001:db8:1:1:aaaa:aaaa:aaaa:aaaa > > As the manualy configured ones are supposed to be more stable > than the autoconf ones (they do not depend on a piece of hardware) > you might want to use them in access list, firewalls,... > They might also be the only one populated in the reverse DNS tree... > > So, yes, there is a reason to prefer a configured address over a > stateless > autoconf one. Same argument applies with DHCPv6 configured addresses. Well, here you depend on another piece of hardware, but that's not an issue. Also, this preference really depends on the usage cases. I can see scenarios, where I would rather use autoconfigured address over the DHCP or manually assigned one. > > I know you can play with the A bit in the RA to prevent hosts from > doing stateless autoconf, but this is a prefix wide directive, it lacks > the host (or group of hosts) granularity. On some OS you can disable > stateless autoconf, but this can be cumbersome. > What is proposed here is essentially a fail safe mechanism that > will make sure that if you combined the different address configuration > types on a subnet, the basic mode of operation is predictible. > The concern I have is someone else may find the above preference backwards and may want to always prefer autoconf addresses over DHCP or statically configured. This is a policy matter and you are proposing to encode it into the rules without ability to change. The rule set are basic postulates that enable best available communication. As an additonal step, the policy table is provided that allows for specific preferences. Is it flexible enough for you want? -vlad -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 25 12:50:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gclvf-00022F-Gf; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:48:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gclvd-0001wm-Ax for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:48:33 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GclvW-00080g-U6 for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:48:33 -0400 Received: from eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.13.40]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9PGmPlT007498 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id k9PGmPh6021445 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9PGpEWc019980; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id k9PGpEPw019977; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:51:14 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17727.38402.45289.17586@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:51:14 -0400 From: James Carlson To: Vlad Yasevich In-Reply-To: <453F8F4B.7030303@hp.com> References: <453F8F4B.7030303@hp.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: "Durand, Alain" , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Vlad Yasevich writes: > Also, this preference really depends on the usage cases. I can see > scenarios, where I would rather use autoconfigured address over the DHCP > or manually assigned one. Can you describe these? > The concern I have is someone else may find the above preference backwards > and may want to always prefer autoconf addresses over DHCP or statically > configured. This is a policy matter and you are proposing to encode it > into the rules without ability to change. Yes, that is indeed a concern. It looks like it's actually a concern with the existing rule set, as there's no guarantee that (say) best prefix match is what the user really wanted. > The rule set are basic postulates that enable best available communication. > As an additonal step, the policy table is provided that allows for specific > preferences. Is it flexible enough for you want? The policy table is searched by prefix match, so I don't quite see how that suffices unless administrators have the foresight to avoid both stateless and stateful on the same prefix, and the policy table is kept in sync with DHCPv6 allocation pools (via draft-fujisaki-dhc-addr-select-opt-02.txt, I would assume). I think it's that lack of foresight that may be part of the underlying concern here. -- James Carlson, KISS Network Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 25 17:20:08 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcpFc-0007eJ-0n; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:21:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcomk-0005jI-4W; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:51:34 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcomk-0008CO-1a; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:51:34 -0400 Received: from ns4.neustar.com ([156.154.24.139]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcomj-00065n-L3; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:51:33 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060692ACD4; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:50:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GcolH-0004rE-OD; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:50:03 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:50:03 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis-09.txt X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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( [61.90.249.44]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 26sm283096wrl.2006.10.25.20.51.15; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Julien Laganier To: ipv6@ietf.org Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:52:03 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <453F8F4B.7030303@hp.com> In-Reply-To: <453F8F4B.7030303@hp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610260552.04293.julien.IETF@laposte.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Cc: Vlad Yasevich , "Durand, Alain" Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hi Vlad, On Wednesday 25 October 2006 18:22, Vlad Yasevich=20 wrote: > > So, yes, there is a reason to prefer a configured=20 > > address over a stateless autoconf one. Same > > argument applies with DHCPv6 configured addresses.=20 > > [...] >=20 > Also, this preference really depends on the usage=20 > cases. =A0I can see scenarios, where I would rather use > autoconfigured address over the DHCP or manually > assigned one.=20 >=20 > [...] > > The concern I have is someone else may find the > above preference backwards and may want to always > prefer autoconf addresses over DHCP or statically > configured. =A0This is a policy matter and you are > proposing to encode it into the rules without > ability to change. Would privacy be the reason why such someone would=20 prefer autoconf addresses over DHCP or statically=20 configured addresses? Would adding to the proposed new rule a statement=20 similar to those of Source Address Selection Rule 4=20 (Prefer home addresses) and 7 (Prefer public=20 addresses) as below solve your concern? Implementations SHOULD/MUST provide a mechanism=20 allowing an application to reverse the sense of this=20 preference [...] (e.g., via appropriate API=20 extensions). Use of the mechanism should only affect=20 the selection rules for the invoking application [...]=20 Implementations for which [insert reason here] MAY=20 reverse the sense of this rule [...] Best, =2D-julien -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 00:27:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcwmD-000809-0j; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:23:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcwmB-000804-Qf for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:23:31 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcwmA-0008Q0-EB for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:23:31 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t13so313275wxc for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:23:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:sender; b=HwkYTKDFNsIUVGNyYU7G7J+7zFraTof8t7uJMBbfx2cKX0NM30Zqgb6bye6nKeMSEcgmBZK3l/BJpf1G5zYi37j/hLAAkS4jZ73g6Jgbay5QtkrKKfBIgEnUM02Gqd/6gdVbvTRBWMRDuL5q/tNmYucX0CxVcyG4VZmqivOuaYQ= Received: by 10.70.83.8 with SMTP id g8mr2472228wxb; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.40.172? ( [61.90.249.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 13sm345277wrl.2006.10.25.21.23.26; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:23:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Julien Laganier To: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:24:18 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200610201320.21651.julien.IETF@laposte.net> <20061020124829.GA20426@simphalempin.com> In-Reply-To: <20061020124829.GA20426@simphalempin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610260624.18500.julien.IETF@laposte.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Revised address selection preference API draft-chakrabarti-ipv6-addrselect-api-04 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org On Friday 20 October 2006 14:48, you wrote: > Hello again, Hi, > For consistency with the current getaddrinfo and > setsockopt usage, I think the preference flags ought > to be an "int" rather than an "uin32_t", What should we be consistent with? I don't understand how that would be more consistent... A flag set is really no more than a bitstring, each bits encoding one flag, I don't see how that can be signed... Or did you meant it should be an uint rather that uint32_t? > and that resetting the socket option to system > default should be achieved by passing "-1" as the > socket option value, rather than using getsockopt() > before setsockopt(). I don't think we discussed that already on the ML. What we discussed however is to restore system default by passing the value zero, and the draft does not use that method because it is problematic; quoting Erik: > The issue is that we want the semantics of a > setsockopt that doesn't include any of a X and a > not-X pair not to affect the X-related setting. For > instance, a setsockopt that only specifies Y (or Y| > not-Z) shouldn't affect X. With that approach the > logical effect of a setsockopt with no flags set > (zero) must be a no-op. Thus it would be very odd to > define that no flags set (i.e. zero) has some other > semantics. Now if I consider your proposal of passing -1 as a method to restore system defaults, that would mean that all bits in the flags set bitstring are set to 1, i.e. all possible flags are set. I don't think it is semantically clean to affect a "restore system default" semantic to a flag set with all possible flags set. Therefore it would probably be required to reserve that semantic to the sign bit, and don't use it for encoding any address preference flag. IMHO it's not simpler that what we have today, but perhaps I'm missing something. Best, --julien -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 02:16:58 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcyVG-0000xh-SW; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:14:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcyVF-0000x9-6f for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:14:09 -0400 Received: from poy.chewa.net ([2002:c2f2:7249::1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcyVD-00050y-Pk for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:14:09 -0400 Received: by poy.chewa.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id B21C1964FD; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:13:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:13:50 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Denis-Courmont To: Julien Laganier Message-ID: <20061026061350.GA23704@simphalempin.com> References: <200610201320.21651.julien.IETF@laposte.net> <20061020124829.GA20426@simphalempin.com> <200610260624.18500.julien.IETF@laposte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200610260624.18500.julien.IETF@laposte.net> Organization: Remlab.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Revised address selection preference API draft-chakrabarti-ipv6-addrselect-api-04 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hello, This is all a matter of being consistent with the Advanced IPv6 API, and with the established practice in POSIX world. Pretty much every setsockopt uses int, unless it has very peculiar reason not to do so. Using something else will only confuse people, and add a (minor) extra implementation burden on implementors. This is bound to cause problem. I'm pretty confident some people will use int regardless and well, too bad. On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 06:24:18AM +0200, Julien Laganier wrote : > I don't think we discussed that already on the ML.=20 > > What we discussed however is to restore system default=20 > by passing the value zero, and the draft does not use=20 > that method because it is problematic; quoting Erik: This only works if you assume 0 is the default value. > > The issue is that we want the semantics of a=20 > > setsockopt that doesn't include any of a X and a=20 > > not-X pair not to affect the X-related setting. For=20 > > instance, a setsockopt that only specifies Y (or Y| > > not-Z) shouldn't affect X. With that approach the=20 > > logical effect of a setsockopt with no flags set=20 > > (zero) must be a no-op. Thus it would be very odd to=20 > > define that no flags set (i.e. zero) has some other=20 > > semantics. =20 >=20 > Now if I consider your proposal of passing -1 as a=20 > method to restore system defaults, that would mean=20 > that all bits in the flags set bitstring are set to 1,=20 > i.e. all possible flags are set.=20 Though you should never use the sign bit to store any flag anyway, so it is not at all ambiguous. The hop limit and traffic class setsockopt already uses this model. When 0 is a legal value, it's not quite correct to assume that will be the "reset to default" as well > I don't think it is semantically clean to affect a=20 > "restore system default" semantic to a flag set with=20 > all possible flags set. Therefore it would probably be=20 > required to reserve that semantic to the sign bit, and=20 > don't use it for encoding any address preference flag.=20 I do think it is semantically clean to use an "impossible" value as restore to system default, while it is NOT clean to use a "possible" value for that. The IETF thought otherwise in may 2003. Have you had a look at RFC3542 at all? 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5lCHO+RhD3FYQyDuKyAAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6F8F8.036A3DF0-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 08:00:10 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd3qt-000443-LT; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:56:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd3qr-00043y-Sh for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:56:49 -0400 Received: from shuttle.wide.toshiba.co.jp ([2001:200:1b1::35]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd3qp-0007E7-4w for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:56:49 -0400 Received: from impact.jinmei.org (unknown [2001:200:1b1:1010:20e:7bff:fedd:fe03]) by shuttle.wide.toshiba.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B681521A for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:56:39 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:56:39 +0900 Message-ID: From: JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEI=?= To: ipv6@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: Research & Development Center, Toshiba Corp., Kawasaki, Japan. MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Subject: a quick question about RIPng X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hello, I have one quick question about RIPng. Section 2.4.1 of RFC2080 says as follows: The Request is processed entry by entry. [... ...] Examine the list of RTEs in the Request one by one. For each entry, look up the destination in the router's routing database and, if there is a route, put that route's metric in the metric field of the RTE. If there is no explicit route to the specified destination, put infinity in the metric field. Once all the entries have been filled in, change the command from Request to Response and send the datagram back to the requestor. I'm not really sure what "(if) there is a route" exactly means. Does that mean: A. if the routing database contains a route entry for the *same* destination prefix as that of the requested RTE, or B. if the routing database contains a route entry that *covers* the destination prefix of the requested RTE, or others? For example, suppose a router that only has a default route entry (for prefix ::/0) with a metric of 1 in its routing database, and it receives a request asking for 2001:db8::/32. According to interpretation A, the router will return an infinity metric; according to interpretation B, the router will return a metric of 1 (from the default route, because it matches the requested prefix). Which one is correct? BTW: I've seen several (but a quite limited number of) open source and commercial implementations, and all seem to behave based on interpretation A. Thanks, JINMEI, Tatuya Communication Platform Lab. Corporate R&D Center, Toshiba Corp. jinmei@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 10:01:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd5kl-0002j5-WD; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:58:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd5kk-0002iu-O9 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:58:38 -0400 Received: from atlrel6.hp.com ([156.153.255.205]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd5ke-0007pt-AJ for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:58:38 -0400 Received: from smtp1.fc.hp.com (smtp1.fc.hp.com [15.15.136.127]) by atlrel6.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3803655A; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [16.116.113.226] (galen.zko.hp.com [16.116.113.226]) by smtp1.fc.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D07810B903; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4540BF04.1010709@hp.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:58:28 -0400 From: Vlad Yasevich User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julien Laganier References: <453F8F4B.7030303@hp.com> <200610260552.04293.julien.IETF@laposte.net> In-Reply-To: <200610260552.04293.julien.IETF@laposte.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac Cc: "Durand, Alain" , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Julien Laganier wrote: > Hi Vlad, > > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 18:22, Vlad Yasevich > wrote: >>> So, yes, there is a reason to prefer a configured >>> address over a stateless autoconf one. Same >>> argument applies with DHCPv6 configured addresses. >> [...] >> >> Also, this preference really depends on the usage >> cases. I can see scenarios, where I would rather use >> autoconfigured address over the DHCP or manually >> assigned one. >> >> [...] >> >> The concern I have is someone else may find the >> above preference backwards and may want to always >> prefer autoconf addresses over DHCP or statically >> configured. This is a policy matter and you are >> proposing to encode it into the rules without >> ability to change. > > Would privacy be the reason why such someone would > prefer autoconf addresses over DHCP or statically > configured addresses? In a sense, yes. I was thinking of a well known server with a manually configured address and autoconf. A potential policy would be to prefer outgoing connections to use autoconfigured address. > > Would adding to the proposed new rule a statement > similar to those of Source Address Selection Rule 4 > (Prefer home addresses) and 7 (Prefer public > addresses) as below solve your concern? > > Implementations SHOULD/MUST provide a mechanism > allowing an application to reverse the sense of this > preference [...] (e.g., via appropriate API > extensions). Use of the mechanism should only affect > the selection rules for the invoking application [...] > Implementations for which [insert reason here] MAY > reverse the sense of this rule [...] That would certainly address this concern. This is all rather hypothetical though. The concept that a DHCP address is more stable then EUI64 base address is flawed in my opinion. Both depend on a piece of hardware that can fail or be changed. I guess manually configured addresses are a bit more stable. Additionally, the address preference would completely depend on a deployment scenario. In Alain's case, he would prefer DHCP/manual addresses over Autoconf. In someone else's deployment, that many not be the case. The rules as specified now tend to be agnostic more or less. They would work no matter how things are set up. (there are exceptions, such as ULA). Of course, implementations may override Rule 8 (longest prefix match) with something better/different. I wouldn't object as strongly to something like this: Rule 8 may be superseded if the implementation has other means of choosing among source addresses. For example, if the implementation somehow knows which source address will result in the "best" communications performance or knows relative stability of addresses and wants to select a more stable one. Regards -vlad -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 11:02:32 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd6ga-0006wR-ML; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:58:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd6gZ-0006wH-To for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:58:23 -0400 Received: from pacdcoavas09.cable.comcast.com ([208.17.33.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd6gV-0001Ed-Li for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:58:23 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:58:02 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb5BuANfab38Q7HTq+Y/jXhP6dXTAAB3ZGg From: "Durand, Alain" To: "Vlad Yasevich" , "Julien Laganier" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 14:58:03.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[22E868C0:01C6F90F] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Vlad Yasevich [mailto:vladislav.yasevich@hp.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:58 AM > To: Julien Laganier > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; Durand, Alain > Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 >=20 >> The concept that a DHCP address is more stable then > EUI64 base address is flawed in my opinion. Both depend on a=20 > piece of hardware that can fail or be changed. > I guess manually configured addresses are a bit more stable. EUI64 are linked to the MAC address of a NIC. Replace that NIC on a server and your address change. DHCPv6 addresses are derived by the DHCPv6 server from the DUID passed by the server. It is fairly easy to make sure the DHCPv6 server will always return the same address for a particular DUID. If the DUID is not derived from a MAC address but is assigned by the organisation, the Ipv6 address will be much more stable than EUI64. But, more importantly, they will be centrally assigned, ie can be propagated to places that maitain ACLs. - Alain. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 11:21:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd71u-0006bj-Bh; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:20:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd70T-0004of-Pr for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:18:57 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd6mT-0002Tu-G2 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:04:31 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Oct 2006 08:04:29 -0700 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9QF4T7U018527; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:04:29 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k9QF4SYL006307; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xmb-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.118]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:04:28 -0400 Received: from 161.44.65.204 ([161.44.65.204]) by xmb-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.118]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:04:28 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:04:42 -0400 From: Ralph Droms To: "Durand, Alain" , Vlad Yasevich , Julien Laganier Message-ID: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb5BuANfab38Q7HTq+Y/jXhP6dXTAAB3ZGgAABukhQ= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 15:04:28.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[08C72660:01C6F910] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=1733; t=1161875069; x=1162739069; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=rdroms@cisco.com; z=From:Ralph=20Droms=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20address=20selection=20and=20DHCPv6 |To:=22Durand, =20Alain=22=20, =0A=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20Vlad=20Yasevich=20, =0A=20=20=20=20=2 0=20=20=20Julien=20Laganier=20; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3Dt5QLxuYsGtqSxxDFa5NF5MLqf+w=3D; b=aQBRbuO0Wy1ZgMx+Q98XDRTXmCXORIIYjfZqSzPDGO/s2xiLcyriNH/tuLGWjlFzlbJe6hE6 s5+M0XSqU5hZ9H9tlB1wqDaGYvZpkQ57I+nBvAgyoI1kfU5SF75N9EE6; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com; header.From=rdroms@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( 70 extraneous bytes; sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Adding a little detail to Alain's comments - all three flavors of DUID are, in fact, defined in RFC 3315 to be stable for the lifetime of the host, independent of any changes to MAC addresses. Therefore, address assignment via DHCPv6 can be controlled by the DHCPv6 server to assign a stable address for the lifetime of the device. - Ralph On 10/26/06 10:58 AM, "Durand, Alain" wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vlad Yasevich [mailto:vladislav.yasevich@hp.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:58 AM >> To: Julien Laganier >> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; Durand, Alain >> Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 >> >>> The concept that a DHCP address is more stable then >> EUI64 base address is flawed in my opinion. Both depend on a >> piece of hardware that can fail or be changed. >> I guess manually configured addresses are a bit more stable. > > EUI64 are linked to the MAC address of a NIC. Replace that NIC on a > server > and your address change. > > DHCPv6 addresses are derived by the DHCPv6 server from the DUID passed > by the server. > It is fairly easy to make sure the DHCPv6 server will always return the > same address > for a particular DUID. If the DUID is not derived from a MAC address but > is > assigned by the organisation, the Ipv6 address will be much more stable > than EUI64. > But, more importantly, they will be centrally assigned, ie can be > propagated > to places that maitain ACLs. > > - Alain. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 12:26:26 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd7yn-0007DR-6S; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:21:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd7yl-0007DK-1A for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:21:15 -0400 Received: from smtp2.int-evry.fr ([157.159.10.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd7yj-0001Fl-GI for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:21:15 -0400 Received: from lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr (lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr [157.159.103.217]) by smtp2.int-evry.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA1B2FEAD for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:21:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Pars Mutaf To: ipv6@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <1161089469.17266.26.camel@lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr> References: <1159542771.24882.52.camel@lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr> <1161089469.17266.26.camel@lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: INT Evry Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:16:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1161879377.32765.16.camel@lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-INT-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-INT-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-INT-MailScanner-MCPCheck: X-INT-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: pars.mutaf@int-evry.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Subject: Re: humid IPv6 addresses X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pars.mutaf@int-evry.fr List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hi folks (sorry for popping up), FYI, based on comments I have very much simplified the humid draft. You can find it here until it appears in the I-D rep.: http://www.freewebs.com/pmutaf/draft-mutaf-ipv6humid-02.txt Usage scenario is ad-hoc network now. All references to infrastructure DNS, MIP6 etc. are gone. I also explain how to use HUMIDs under standard name resolution routines. A stateless phonebook possibility is briefly mentioned in the conclusion but left to future work. Acknowledgments are also left to future work :-/ Regards, pars -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 12:28:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd85Q-000565-K3; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:28:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd85P-000560-VU for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:28:07 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd857-0002K3-RA for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:28:07 -0400 Received: from eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.9.49]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9QGRmaj026680 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:27:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id k9QGRml0025977 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9QGUdEW004047; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id k9QGUcRZ004044; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17728.58030.601598.894548@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:30:38 -0400 From: James Carlson To: Vlad Yasevich In-Reply-To: <4540BF04.1010709@hp.com> References: <453F8F4B.7030303@hp.com> <200610260552.04293.julien.IETF@laposte.net> <4540BF04.1010709@hp.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: "Durand, Alain" , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Vlad Yasevich writes: > The concept that a DHCP address is more stable then > EUI64 base address is flawed in my opinion. Both depend > on a piece of hardware that can fail or be changed. That's incorrect. See RFC 3315 -- DUIDs are required to be stable, even if the hardware is changed. > I guess manually configured addresses are a bit more > stable. Indeed. > The rules as specified now tend to be agnostic more or > less. They would work no matter how things are set up. > (there are exceptions, such as ULA). More or less? I don't think the temporary address decision is a small matter, and I do think this issue is related to that one. > Of course, implementations may override Rule 8 (longest > prefix match) with something better/different. I wouldn't > object as strongly to something like this: > > Rule 8 may be superseded if the implementation has other means of > choosing among source addresses. For example, if the implementation > somehow knows which source address will result in the "best" > communications performance or knows relative stability of addresses > and wants to select a more stable one. I'm no longer quite convinced that this sort of thing is right. Placing it above rule 8 means that prefix routing issues are ignored. It seems to want to go below rule 8 in priority order. But I guess I could still go along with that as a compromise. -- James Carlson, KISS Network Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 12:38:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd8EO-0007vZ-O8; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:37:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd8EM-0007vT-TB for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:37:22 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd8EI-00049T-PF for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:37:22 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Oct 2006 12:37:19 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9QGbIME027918; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:37:18 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k9QGbIDQ007800; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.15]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:37:18 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:37:17 -0400 Message-ID: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268E8E1@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb5G9seJGIkdw5qQ3ew5IkJd7qEqgAAM/BA From: "Bernie Volz \(volz\)" To: "James Carlson" , "Vlad Yasevich" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 16:37:18.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[00782740:01C6F91D] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=2520; t=1161880638; x=1162744638; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=volz@cisco.com; z=From:=22Bernie=20Volz=20\(volz\)=22=20 |Subject:RE=3A=20address=20selection=20and=20DHCPv6 |To:=22James=20Carlson=22=20, =0A=20=20=20=20=20=20= 20=20=22Vlad=20Yasevich=22=20; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DRf0p6NeMJFIiY0xNSUu/BcPUbJs=3D; b=jAy7j/YnJfYSVVrHkBHd5Gq7fdUJqjsvplRBDpKbWeVWsuxQkkniv5Jofy/C/Egebpi+rrgt /85ZvdewJ1S18ek7I1d6fsB60JF3xYvWWZ4mYgZivDJflF/TS3jSvRWR; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com; header.From=volz@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( 68 extraneous bytes; sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Cc: "Durand, Alain" , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Whatever technique you use will likely never guarantee a completely stable address. Manually assigned is just as good (or bad) as DHCPv6 because both depend on some type of stable storage (so yes there is hardware associated with it). (Well, I guess you could always rely on a human to type in the manually assigned address on a boot but that is unlikely to be desirable and may not be as reliable). - Bernie=20 -----Original Message----- From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:31 PM To: Vlad Yasevich Cc: Durand, Alain; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 Vlad Yasevich writes: > The concept that a DHCP address is more stable then > EUI64 base address is flawed in my opinion. Both depend > on a piece of hardware that can fail or be changed. That's incorrect. See RFC 3315 -- DUIDs are required to be stable, even if the hardware is changed. > I guess manually configured addresses are a bit more > stable. Indeed. > The rules as specified now tend to be agnostic more or > less. They would work no matter how things are set up. > (there are exceptions, such as ULA).=20 More or less? I don't think the temporary address decision is a small matter, and I do think this issue is related to that one. > Of course, implementations may override Rule 8 (longest > prefix match) with something better/different. I wouldn't > object as strongly to something like this: >=20 > Rule 8 may be superseded if the implementation has other means of > choosing among source addresses. For example, if the implementation > somehow knows which source address will result in the "best" > communications performance or knows relative stability of addresses > and wants to select a more stable one. I'm no longer quite convinced that this sort of thing is right. Placing it above rule 8 means that prefix routing issues are ignored. It seems to want to go below rule 8 in priority order. But I guess I could still go along with that as a compromise. --=20 James Carlson, KISS Network Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 14:54:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdAIw-00075i-8Q; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:50:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdAIJ-0006nY-3C for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:49:35 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdA7Q-000703-H1 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:38:21 -0400 Received: from eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.9.49]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9QIcJUX020275 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id k9QIcInk017417 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9QIf4MT004990; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id k9QIf4Lm004987; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:41:04 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17729.320.269981.280021@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:41:04 -0400 From: James Carlson To: "Bernie Volz (volz)" In-Reply-To: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268E8E1@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> References: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268E8E1@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: Vlad Yasevich , "Durand, Alain" , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Bernie Volz (volz) writes: > Whatever technique you use will likely never guarantee a completely > stable address. > > Manually assigned is just as good (or bad) as DHCPv6 because both depend > on some type of stable storage (so yes there is hardware associated with > it). (Well, I guess you could always rely on a human to type in the > manually assigned address on a boot but that is unlikely to be desirable > and may not be as reliable). Both are unlike stateless address autoconfiguration in that the lower 64 bits of the address aren't a EUID, and thus aren't tied to *replaceable* hardware, such as an Ethernet interface. That's the key point. -- James Carlson, KISS Network Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 15:02:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdATV-0002y5-B7; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:01:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdATT-0002y0-FE for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:01:07 -0400 Received: from paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com ([208.17.35.58] helo=cable.comcast.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdATN-000235-36 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:01:07 -0400 Received: from ([10.20.62.12]) by paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-TDCH7.25977315; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:00:30 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PACDCEXCRLY02.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:00:28 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:00:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb5G9seJGIkdw5qQ3ew5IkJd7qEqgAAM/BAAARRRiA= From: "Durand, Alain" To: "Bernie Volz \(volz\)" , "James Carlson" , "Vlad Yasevich" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 19:00:28.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[00D3C4B0:01C6F931] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org The question is not to get an absolutely stable address, but to make sure that in case multiple addresses are defined, the one with the highest likelyhood of stability is selected. - Alain.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernie Volz (volz) [mailto:volz@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:37 PM > To: James Carlson; Vlad Yasevich > Cc: Durand, Alain; ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >=20 > Whatever technique you use will likely never guarantee a=20 > completely stable address. >=20 > Manually assigned is just as good (or bad) as DHCPv6 because=20 > both depend on some type of stable storage (so yes there is=20 > hardware associated with it). (Well, I guess you could always=20 > rely on a human to type in the manually assigned address on a=20 > boot but that is unlikely to be desirable and may not be as reliable). >=20 > - Bernie=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:31 PM > To: Vlad Yasevich > Cc: Durand, Alain; ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 >=20 > Vlad Yasevich writes: > > The concept that a DHCP address is more stable then > > EUI64 base address is flawed in my opinion. Both depend on=20 > a piece of=20 > > hardware that can fail or be changed. >=20 > That's incorrect. See RFC 3315 -- DUIDs are required to be=20 > stable, even if the hardware is changed. >=20 > > I guess manually configured addresses are a bit more stable. >=20 > Indeed. >=20 > > The rules as specified now tend to be agnostic more or less. They=20 > > would work no matter how things are set up. > > (there are exceptions, such as ULA).=20 >=20 > More or less? I don't think the temporary address decision=20 > is a small matter, and I do think this issue is related to that one. >=20 > > Of course, implementations may override Rule 8 (longest=20 > prefix match)=20 > > with something better/different. I wouldn't object as strongly to=20 > > something like this: > >=20 > > Rule 8 may be superseded if the implementation has other means of > > choosing among source addresses. For example, if the > implementation > > somehow knows which source address will result in the "best" > > communications performance or knows relative stability=20 > of addresses > > and wants to select a more stable one. >=20 > I'm no longer quite convinced that this sort of thing is right. > Placing it above rule 8 means that prefix routing issues are ignored. >=20 > It seems to want to go below rule 8 in priority order. But I=20 > guess I could still go along with that as a compromise. >=20 > --=20 > James Carlson, KISS Network =20 > > Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1=20 > 781 442 2084 > MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1=20 > 781 442 1677 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 15:07:35 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdAYs-0000HB-Q1; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:06:42 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdAYr-0000H6-3e for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:06:41 -0400 Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.96.56] helo=stl-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdAYn-0002nP-NZ for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:06:40 -0400 Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (slb-av-01.boeing.com [129.172.13.4]) by stl-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/TEST_SMTPIN) with ESMTP id k9QJ6Yv6014153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:06:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id k9QJ6WHK024045 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NEBH-11.ne.nos.boeing.com (xch-nebh-11.ne.nos.boeing.com [128.225.80.27]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id k9QJ6PZD023808; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NE-1V2.ne.nos.boeing.com ([128.225.80.43]) by XCH-NEBH-11.ne.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:06:25 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:06:24 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb5G9seJGIkdw5qQ3ew5IkJd7qEqgAAM/BAAARRRiAAAODTsA== From: "Manfredi, Albert E" To: "Durand, Alain" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 19:06:25.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[D54D8960:01C6F931] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Except that from what others have said, that might not be the desired goal. Perhaps for privacy or other reasons, a most stable address choice might not be optimal. I originally thought that would be the best choice, but ... Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Durand, Alain [mailto:Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:00 PM > To: Bernie Volz (volz); James Carlson; Vlad Yasevich > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >=20 > The question is not to get an absolutely stable address, > but to make sure that in case multiple addresses are defined, > the one with the highest likelyhood of stability is selected. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 16:41:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdBzt-0002Vh-3S; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:38:41 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdBtT-0008H1-Cn for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:32:03 -0400 Received: from mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com ([169.144.68.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdBoL-0003T0-Pi for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:26:47 -0400 Received: from mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.12]) by mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k9QKQZfK028939; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uspitsmsgrtr01.pit.comms.marconi.com (uspitsmsgrtr01.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.221]) by mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15798; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uspitsmsgrtr01.pit.comms.marconi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <48N4QMCW>; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:26:34 -0400 Message-ID: <0BF76B30C100624BA997C9CED19D8125B9FFBD@uspitsmsgusr08.pit.comms.marconi.com> From: "Gray, Eric" To: "Durand, Alain" Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:26:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2086112c730e13d5955355df27e3074b Cc: Vlad Yasevich , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Alain, Please see my clarification question below... -- Eric --> -----Original Message----- --> From: Durand, Alain [mailto:Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com] --> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:00 PM --> To: Bernie Volz (volz); James Carlson; Vlad Yasevich --> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org --> Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 --> --> The question is not to get an absolutely stable address, --> but to make sure that in case multiple addresses are defined, --> the one with the highest likelyhood of stability is selected. When you say "highest likelihood of stability" - is what you really mean "stability is under the control of the entity who most feels the consequences of instability"? It seems debatable (to me) that an assigned address might change many times more often than a derived address, but (it also seems to me) the entity that controls assignment is also the one that has to deal with the consequences... --> --> - Alain. --> --> > -----Original Message----- --> > From: Bernie Volz (volz) [mailto:volz@cisco.com] --> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:37 PM --> > To: James Carlson; Vlad Yasevich --> > Cc: Durand, Alain; ipv6@ietf.org --> > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 --> > --> > Whatever technique you use will likely never guarantee a --> > completely stable address. --> > --> > Manually assigned is just as good (or bad) as DHCPv6 because --> > both depend on some type of stable storage (so yes there is --> > hardware associated with it). (Well, I guess you could always --> > rely on a human to type in the manually assigned address on a --> > boot but that is unlikely to be desirable and may not be --> as reliable). --> > --> > - Bernie --> > --> > -----Original Message----- --> > From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com] --> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:31 PM --> > To: Vlad Yasevich --> > Cc: Durand, Alain; ipv6@ietf.org --> > Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 --> > --> > Vlad Yasevich writes: --> > > The concept that a DHCP address is more stable then --> > > EUI64 base address is flawed in my opinion. Both depend on --> > a piece of --> > > hardware that can fail or be changed. --> > --> > That's incorrect. See RFC 3315 -- DUIDs are required to be --> > stable, even if the hardware is changed. --> > --> > > I guess manually configured addresses are a bit more stable. --> > --> > Indeed. --> > --> > > The rules as specified now tend to be agnostic more or --> less. They --> > > would work no matter how things are set up. --> > > (there are exceptions, such as ULA). --> > --> > More or less? I don't think the temporary address decision --> > is a small matter, and I do think this issue is related --> to that one. --> > --> > > Of course, implementations may override Rule 8 (longest --> > prefix match) --> > > with something better/different. I wouldn't object as --> strongly to --> > > something like this: --> > > --> > > Rule 8 may be superseded if the implementation has --> other means of --> > > choosing among source addresses. For example, if the --> > implementation --> > > somehow knows which source address will result in the "best" --> > > communications performance or knows relative stability --> > of addresses --> > > and wants to select a more stable one. --> > --> > I'm no longer quite convinced that this sort of thing is right. --> > Placing it above rule 8 means that prefix routing issues --> are ignored. --> > --> > It seems to want to go below rule 8 in priority order. But I --> > guess I could still go along with that as a compromise. --> > --> > -- --> > James Carlson, KISS Network --> > --> > Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 --> > 781 442 2084 --> > MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 --> > 781 442 1677 --> > --> > --> -------------------------------------------------------------------- --> > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list --> > ipv6@ietf.org --> > Administrative Requests: --> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 --> > --> -------------------------------------------------------------------- --> > --> --> -------------------------------------------------------------------- --> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list --> ipv6@ietf.org --> Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 --> -------------------------------------------------------------------- --> -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 17:11:20 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdBSZ-0001fk-Uy; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:04:16 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdBSN-0001Cx-AN for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:04:03 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdBRw-0000HL-Pa for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:04:02 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.79]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Oct 2006 13:03:34 -0700 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (sj-core-4.cisco.com [171.68.223.138]) by sj-dkim-5.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9QK3XMZ004276; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:03:33 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k9QK3VOd018076; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.15]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:03:27 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:03:26 -0400 Message-ID: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268EA45@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb5G9seJGIkdw5qQ3ew5IkJd7qEqgAAM/BAAARRRiAAAODTsAAB85kQ From: "Bernie Volz \(volz\)" To: "Manfredi, Albert E" , "Durand, Alain" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 20:03:27.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCF1AB40:01C6F939] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=1567; t=1161893014; x=1162757014; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim5002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=volz@cisco.com; z=From:=22Bernie=20Volz=20\(volz\)=22=20 |Subject:RE=3A=20address=20selection=20and=20DHCPv6; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DRf0p6NeMJFIiY0xNSUu/BcPUbJs=3D; b=yuRXiXi07KZU9Osbd6NQQYrgx20XOFxqAbtUUOqRYJUmOKJKHRq40ATfyKgdF5O53JCqrTdz bAKIm4wPHUQN5spyZPNXWnCitZGXkD3BSJsYfJ0Kzrq+4rEdv231l1BT; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-5.cisco.com; header.From=volz@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( 68 extraneous bytes; sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org I would think that how an address is assigned shouldn't enter into this. I can't see that it matters. What really matters is the lifetimes associated with the address. The longest lifetime address is probably the best to use since it is the most stable. [Ignoring privacy and other related issues.] Perhaps this gets at what you want anyway, since manually assigned addresses would presumable have the longest lifetime?=20 - Bernie=20 -----Original Message----- From: Manfredi, Albert E [mailto:albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:06 PM To: Durand, Alain Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 Except that from what others have said, that might not be the desired goal. Perhaps for privacy or other reasons, a most stable address choice might not be optimal. I originally thought that would be the best choice, but ... Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Durand, Alain [mailto:Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:00 PM > To: Bernie Volz (volz); James Carlson; Vlad Yasevich > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >=20 > The question is not to get an absolutely stable address, > but to make sure that in case multiple addresses are defined, > the one with the highest likelyhood of stability is selected. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 17:24:43 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdChP-0002Vw-Hw; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:23:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdCEn-0005gI-5d for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:54:05 -0400 Received: from paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com ([208.17.35.58] helo=cable.comcast.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdBzu-0006iE-6t for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:38:47 -0400 Received: from ([10.52.116.31]) by paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-TDCH7.25983093; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:38:16 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PAOAKEXCSMTP02.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:38:15 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:38:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb5PRz9NBv4p/VfTLqW9XwbL3v8ZAAAPgwA From: "Durand, Alain" To: "Gray, Eric" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 20:38:15.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9D70F10:01C6F93E] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Cc: Vlad Yasevich , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Gray, Eric [mailto:Eric.Gray@marconi.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:27 PM > To: Durand, Alain > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; James Carlson; Vlad Yasevich > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >=20 > --> The question is not to get an absolutely stable address,=20 > but to make=20 > --> sure that in case multiple addresses are defined, the one=20 > with the=20 > --> highest likelyhood of stability is selected. >=20 > When you say "highest likelihood of stability" - is=20 > what you really mean "stability is under the control of the=20 > entity who most feels the consequences of instability"? Yes, this is a good way to articulate this. - Alain. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 17:26:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdCjC-0003XO-Rk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:25:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdCEb-0002LQ-7R for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:53:53 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdC26-00073k-LL for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:41:02 -0400 Received: from eastmail4bur.east.Sun.COM ([129.148.13.1]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9QKespB015885 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by eastmail4bur.east.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id k9QKerXU024831 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9QKhi0I005662; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id k9QKhiJN005659; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:43:44 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17729.7680.640850.142402@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:43:44 -0400 From: James Carlson To: "Gray, Eric" In-Reply-To: <0BF76B30C100624BA997C9CED19D8125B9FFBD@uspitsmsgusr08.pit.comms.marconi.com> References: <0BF76B30C100624BA997C9CED19D8125B9FFBD@uspitsmsgusr08.pit.comms.marconi.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: "Durand, Alain" , Vlad Yasevich , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Gray, Eric writes: > --> The question is not to get an absolutely stable address, > --> but to make sure that in case multiple addresses are defined, > --> the one with the highest likelyhood of stability is selected. > > When you say "highest likelihood of stability" - is what > you really mean "stability is under the control of the entity > who most feels the consequences of instability"? > > It seems debatable (to me) that an assigned address might > change many times more often than a derived address, but (it also > seems to me) the entity that controls assignment is also the one > that has to deal with the consequences... That seems to me to be a mostly fair analysis of the issue. If you wanted to avoid the words "highest likelihood of stability" for the case of DHCPv6 alone, I think you might express it as "least number of bits specified by the client alone." Stability is still (to me) an important issue, as it distinguishes more broadly across manually-configured as well as temporary addresses. -- James Carlson, KISS Network Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 17:33:41 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdCqP-0000tY-NC; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:32:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdCWz-0004v2-A8 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:12:53 -0400 Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([2001:700:1::eecb]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdCS6-0004Mw-4n for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:08:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829BB87C23; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:48:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tyholt.uninett.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tyholt.uninett.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07006-01-78; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:48:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6?2001?700?1?1100?205?4eff?fe40?1762] (unknown [IPv6:2001:700:1:1100:205:4eff:fe40:1762]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BBF87C20; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:48:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <45411F11.3030406@uninett.no> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:48:17 +0100 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20060612) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bernie Volz (volz)" References: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268EA45@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268EA45@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at uninett.no X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Bernie Volz (volz) wrote: > I would think that how an address is assigned shouldn't enter into this. > I can't see that it matters. > > What really matters is the lifetimes associated with the address. The > longest lifetime address is probably the best to use since it is the > most stable. [Ignoring privacy and other related issues.] That's sort of what I thought at first as well. But if you use remaining lifetime (and not the initial) you might easily end up in situations where you fluctuate between several addresses. Not so good. As an example, imagine two routers regularly sending RAs for one prefix each, then you might end up always using the prefix you last got an RA for, possibly changing every few seconds depending on the adv. rate. Stig > > Perhaps this gets at what you want anyway, since manually assigned > addresses would presumable have the longest lifetime? > > - Bernie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Manfredi, Albert E [mailto:albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:06 PM > To: Durand, Alain > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 > > Except that from what others have said, that might not be the desired > goal. Perhaps for privacy or other reasons, a most stable address choice > might not be optimal. > > I originally thought that would be the best choice, but ... > > Bert > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Durand, Alain [mailto:Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com] >>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:00 PM >>To: Bernie Volz (volz); James Carlson; Vlad Yasevich >>Cc: ipv6@ietf.org >>Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >> >>The question is not to get an absolutely stable address, >>but to make sure that in case multiple addresses are defined, >>the one with the highest likelyhood of stability is selected. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 17:34:12 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdCrK-0001zL-UP; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:33:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdCXL-00054R-B2 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:13:15 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdCL9-0003Gz-9J for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:00:49 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Oct 2006 14:00:38 -0700 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9QL0dqX009220; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:00:39 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k9QL0cDM026965; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.15]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:00:38 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:00:37 -0400 Message-ID: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268EAB9@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb5QBmUbXOPUDAyQ0a9wrTeo59eRAAANTQQ From: "Bernie Volz \(volz\)" To: "Stig Venaas" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 21:00:38.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA2216E0:01C6F941] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=3116; t=1161896439; x=1162760439; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=volz@cisco.com; z=From:=22Bernie=20Volz=20\(volz\)=22=20 |Subject:RE=3A=20address=20selection=20and=20DHCPv6 |To:=22Stig=20Venaas=22=20; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DRf0p6NeMJFIiY0xNSUu/BcPUbJs=3D; b=fYltWzQYD3ZLXpx14LfAizzIImOc8Ck7n8mjsjjba8QpEHumIs0xGF3Gyeo2ILBwji9XYLDO Dj5y1GpcqXFRebz0TI+oQhjmz/U2wZ0ukRlQyxXj2wL4GkxUWsZL3D8T; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com; header.From=volz@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( 70 extraneous bytes; sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org But, in these cases both addresses are stateless so using how the address was assigned would still not resolve the issue. So, that is a related, but separate issue? Probably the only solution to that is to have some stickiness factor where a host continues to favor that address for a period of time. An easy solution may simple by to divide the perferred lifetime by some factor and compare those. That way, small changes in the preferred lifetime don't alter the result. - Bernie -----Original Message----- From: Stig Venaas [mailto:stig.venaas@uninett.no]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:48 PM To: Bernie Volz (volz) Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 Bernie Volz (volz) wrote: > I would think that how an address is assigned shouldn't enter into this. > I can't see that it matters. >=20 > What really matters is the lifetimes associated with the address. The > longest lifetime address is probably the best to use since it is the > most stable. [Ignoring privacy and other related issues.] That's sort of what I thought at first as well. But if you use remaining lifetime (and not the initial) you might easily end up in situations where you fluctuate between several addresses. Not so good. As an example, imagine two routers regularly sending RAs for one prefix each, then you might end up always using the prefix you last got an RA for, possibly changing every few seconds depending on the adv. rate. Stig >=20 > Perhaps this gets at what you want anyway, since manually assigned > addresses would presumable have the longest lifetime?=20 >=20 > - Bernie=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Manfredi, Albert E [mailto:albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:06 PM > To: Durand, Alain > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >=20 > Except that from what others have said, that might not be the desired > goal. Perhaps for privacy or other reasons, a most stable address choice > might not be optimal. >=20 > I originally thought that would be the best choice, but ... >=20 > Bert >=20 >=20 >=20 >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Durand, Alain [mailto:Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com]=20 >>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:00 PM >>To: Bernie Volz (volz); James Carlson; Vlad Yasevich >>Cc: ipv6@ietf.org >>Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >> >>The question is not to get an absolutely stable address, >>but to make sure that in case multiple addresses are defined, >>the one with the highest likelyhood of stability is selected. >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 18:28:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdDaU-0001gJ-Sa; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 22:35:18.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[03CF7CE0:01C6F94F] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=3227; t=1161902119; x=1162766119; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=rdroms@cisco.com; z=From:Ralph=20Droms=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20address=20selection=20and=20DHCPv6 |To:=22Durand, =20Alain=22=20, =20,=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3Dt5QLxuYsGtqSxxDFa5NF5MLqf+w=3D; b=UvSHQci77tq+jcBL/LIqDDayzvXe0tpc4lNVOLuqot3R0dLTLfeBJy23wZRRjzZBT1fGYUIa unXHTsDAAxqBVG8FmvUbHob0cdEX1UDgWiJ5mVQf42hkCO8aBna7Z9ax; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com; header.From=rdroms@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( 70 extraneous bytes; sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org There is an operational issue - anecdotal, perhaps not of interest - that I've heard of. It's related to Alain's observation of who runs routers and who runs the DHCP server. Anyway, the issue is that, in the case of router misconfiguration, it may be the case that hosts unexpectedly take on new addresses, that may take 2 hours to flush from their interfaces. DHCP would avoid that particular problem. Note that I'm not claiming DHCP is less prone to misconfiguration... - Ralph On 10/26/06 6:16 PM, "Durand, Alain" wrote: > I've been thinking some more about Bernie's point. In theory it should not, > but in pratical operation, it does matter where the config information is > coming from. > The ops people in charge of routers are not the same as the one in charge of > servers (DHCP included) ... and the last thing I'd like to see hapening is the > source address selected by a server to change if one team changes a lifetime > without noticing the other... > > - Alain. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bernie Volz (volz) > To: Manfredi, Albert E ; Durand, Alain > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > Sent: Thu Oct 26 16:03:26 2006 > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 > > I would think that how an address is assigned shouldn't enter into this. > I can't see that it matters. > > What really matters is the lifetimes associated with the address. The > longest lifetime address is probably the best to use since it is the > most stable. [Ignoring privacy and other related issues.] > > Perhaps this gets at what you want anyway, since manually assigned > addresses would presumable have the longest lifetime? > > - Bernie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Manfredi, Albert E [mailto:albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:06 PM > To: Durand, Alain > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 > > Except that from what others have said, that might not be the desired > goal. Perhaps for privacy or other reasons, a most stable address choice > might not be optimal. > > I originally thought that would be the best choice, but ... > > Bert > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Durand, Alain [mailto:Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:00 PM >> To: Bernie Volz (volz); James Carlson; Vlad Yasevich >> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org >> Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 >> >> The question is not to get an absolutely stable address, >> but to make sure that in case multiple addresses are defined, >> the one with the highest likelyhood of stability is selected. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 19:02:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdECC-0004h8-9d; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:59:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdE9v-0003yf-6B for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:57:11 -0400 Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.42.14]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdE6T-0007yk-Q3 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:53:41 -0400 Received: from eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.13.40]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9QKt9ed005108 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id k9QKt821006339 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9QKvwHX005775; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id k9QKvwq8005772; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:57:58 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17729.8534.476080.310372@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:57:58 -0400 From: James Carlson To: "Bernie Volz (volz)" In-Reply-To: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268EA45@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> References: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268EA45@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: "Durand, Alain" , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Bernie Volz (volz) writes: > I would think that how an address is assigned shouldn't enter into this. > I can't see that it matters. It matters only in that different assignment mechanisms have different inherent stabilities: manual: "forever" DHCPv6: until the lifetime expires and the server refuses to renew stateless: until the network interface hardware is swapped temporary: "soon" > What really matters is the lifetimes associated with the address. The > longest lifetime address is probably the best to use since it is the > most stable. [Ignoring privacy and other related issues.] > > Perhaps this gets at what you want anyway, since manually assigned > addresses would presumable have the longest lifetime? Yes, that's equivalent. -- James Carlson, KISS Network Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 26 19:20:55 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdEVQ-0006Bw-MM; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:19:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdETK-0005GN-7y for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:17:14 -0400 Received: from blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.32.69] helo=blv-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdEMI-0002Af-69 for ipv6@ietf.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:09:59 -0400 Received: from blv-av-01.boeing.com (blv-av-01.boeing.com [192.42.227.216]) by blv-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id k9QN9tmH006768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blv-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-01.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id k9QN9quG004290 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-11.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.55.84]) by blv-av-01.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id k9QN9mX2004102 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.54.35]) by XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:09:49 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:09:48 -0700 Message-ID: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1017743FD@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question about "on-link" in RFC2461(bis) Thread-Index: Acb5G9seJGIkdw5qQ3ew5IkJd7qEqgAAM/BAAARRRiAAAODTsAAB85kQAATJYioAAJ1TEA== From: "Templin, Fred L" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 23:09:49.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[D613EE30:01C6F953] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Subject: Question about "on-link" in RFC2461(bis) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org I have a question about on-link determination for IPv6 ND. (RFC2461(bis), Section 2.1) has the following definition for on-link: "on-link - an address that is assigned to an interface on a specified link. A node considers an address to be on- link if: - it is covered by one of the link's prefixes, or - a neighboring router specifies the address as the target of a Redirect message, or - a Neighbor Advertisement message is received for the (target) address, or - any Neighbor Discovery message is received from the address." Clauses 1 and 2 seem to be the same considerations as for IPv4, but clauses 3 and 4 seem to imply that IPv6 ND implementations "snoop" on ND messages and "remember" the addresses of neighbors heard from on the link, e.g., even for multicast ND messages that are unsolicited or in response to a third party's solicitations. This is independent of any prefixes assigned on an interface and also seems to be independent of any neighbor cache entries, since receipt of ND messages does not necessarily result in neighbor cache entries being created. So my question is, for how long will an implementation remember the addresses of on-link neighbors discovered from snooping on ND messages - forever? (The spec doesn't seem to provide guidance on this?) And, what happens when a neighbor that was previously on-link departs? Will the node try indefinitely to reach the now-departed neighbor on the local link even if more up-to-date information is received, e.g., from a routing protocol? The spec seems to be ambiguous on these points - am I missing something? Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 27 00:32:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdJKN-0003wB-Vg; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:28:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdJKK-0003v2-6w for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:28:16 -0400 Received: from mailc.microsoft.com ([131.107.115.214] helo=smtp.microsoft.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdJKD-0001PS-R4 for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:28:16 -0400 Received: from mailout5.microsoft.com (157.54.69.148) by TK5-EXGWY-E803.partners.extranet.microsoft.com (10.251.56.169) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.0.665.7; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:28:09 -0700 Received: from tuk-hub-02.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.70.28]) by mailout5.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2786); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:28:09 -0700 Received: from tk1-exhub-c104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.56.116.117]) by tuk-hub-02.redmond.corp.microsoft.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:28:08 -0700 Received: from win-imc-02.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com (157.54.69.169) by tk1-exhub-c104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.56.116.117) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.0.685.5; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:28:08 -0700 Received: from WIN-MSG-21.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com ([157.54.62.25]) by win-imc-02.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2786); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:28:05 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:28:01 -0700 Message-ID: <70C6EFCDFC8AAD418EF7063CD132D0640280ED9F@WIN-MSG-21.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <17729.8534.476080.310372@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: address selection and DHCPv6 Thread-Index: Acb5UxnZVHbfGCL2R9mgCXT4s9f5mwALNiyw References: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268EA45@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> <17729.8534.476080.310372@gargle.gargle.HOWL> From: Christian Huitema To: James Carlson , "Bernie Volz (volz)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2006 04:28:05.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C52E930:01C6F980] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: "Durand, Alain" , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org =20 > It matters only in that different assignment mechanisms have different > inherent stabilities: >=20 > manual: "forever" >=20 > DHCPv6: until the lifetime expires and the server refuses to > renew >=20 > stateless: until the network interface hardware is swapped There is no inherent requirement that the host identifier be derived from the interface hardware identifier. In a server environment, it would make perfect sense to use another hardware identifier, or even a logical identifier. That identifier would have pretty much the same life time as a "manual" configuration. -- Christian Huitema -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 27 04:40:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNCs-0001xa-Qn; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:36:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNCq-0001xU-Rh for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:36:48 -0400 Received: from [2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e] (helo=owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNCn-0001A8-Vz for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:36:48 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9R8aa7u007144 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:36:36 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.162]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9R8aMEB025513 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:36:23 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) id k9R8aJdq023651 for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:36:19 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:36:19 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: ipv6@ietf.org Message-ID: <20061027083619.GB23407@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: ipv6@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Null-Tag: dcb87d9c2a4e5620e626c8d222996dde X-Null-Tag: 10a7b9e58fb23511610e00b9238d7146 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: cf3becbbd6d1a45acbe2ffd4ab88bdc2 Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Indeed. A changing privacy address can be assigned by DHCP for example. On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 03:00:29PM -0400, Durand, Alain wrote: > The question is not to get an absolutely stable address, > but to make sure that in case multiple addresses are defined, > the one with the highest likelyhood of stability is selected. > > - Alain. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bernie Volz (volz) [mailto:volz@cisco.com] > > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:37 PM > > To: James Carlson; Vlad Yasevich > > Cc: Durand, Alain; ipv6@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: address selection and DHCPv6 > > > > Whatever technique you use will likely never guarantee a > > completely stable address. > > > > Manually assigned is just as good (or bad) as DHCPv6 because > > both depend on some type of stable storage (so yes there is > > hardware associated with it). (Well, I guess you could always > > rely on a human to type in the manually assigned address on a > > boot but that is unlikely to be desirable and may not be as reliable). > > > > - Bernie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com] > > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:31 PM > > To: Vlad Yasevich > > Cc: Durand, Alain; ipv6@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 > > > > Vlad Yasevich writes: > > > The concept that a DHCP address is more stable then > > > EUI64 base address is flawed in my opinion. Both depend on > > a piece of > > > hardware that can fail or be changed. > > > > That's incorrect. See RFC 3315 -- DUIDs are required to be > > stable, even if the hardware is changed. > > > > > I guess manually configured addresses are a bit more stable. > > > > Indeed. > > > > > The rules as specified now tend to be agnostic more or less. They > > > would work no matter how things are set up. > > > (there are exceptions, such as ULA). > > > > More or less? I don't think the temporary address decision > > is a small matter, and I do think this issue is related to that one. > > > > > Of course, implementations may override Rule 8 (longest > > prefix match) > > > with something better/different. I wouldn't object as strongly to > > > something like this: > > > > > > Rule 8 may be superseded if the implementation has other means of > > > choosing among source addresses. For example, if the > > implementation > > > somehow knows which source address will result in the "best" > > > communications performance or knows relative stability > > of addresses > > > and wants to select a more stable one. > > > > I'm no longer quite convinced that this sort of thing is right. > > Placing it above rule 8 means that prefix routing issues are ignored. > > > > It seems to want to go below rule 8 in priority order. But I > > guess I could still go along with that as a compromise. > > > > -- > > James Carlson, KISS Network > > > > Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 > > 781 442 2084 > > MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 > > 781 442 1677 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > > ipv6@ietf.org > > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 27 04:44:33 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNJm-0000XX-4Z; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:43:58 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNJk-0000UC-Be for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:43:56 -0400 Received: from [2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e] (helo=owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNJk-0002vS-0X for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:43:56 -0400 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9R8hkLn007832 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:43:46 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.162]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9R8haWM026188 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:43:36 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) id k9R8hXdO023776 for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:43:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:43:33 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: ipv6@ietf.org Message-ID: <20061027084333.GC23407@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: ipv6@ietf.org References: <8E296595B6471A4689555D5D725EBB210268EA45@xmb-rtp-20a.amer.cisco.com> <17729.8534.476080.310372@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17729.8534.476080.310372@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Null-Tag: 14951c14ec07fd976734a0ef708b2221 X-Null-Tag: e08d53153a4db3c2cc8b5c50a0c19028 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 04:57:58PM -0400, James Carlson wrote: > Bernie Volz (volz) writes: > > I would think that how an address is assigned shouldn't enter into this. > > I can't see that it matters. > > It matters only in that different assignment mechanisms have different > inherent stabilities: > > manual: "forever" > > DHCPv6: until the lifetime expires and the server refuses to > renew > > stateless: until the network interface hardware is swapped > > temporary: "soon" There's a nice feature on Solaris for tokenised IDs such that you can specificy manually the host part of an address, e.g. ::53 on a DNS server, and the full address is formed from the RA information. A colleague did a similar implementation for Linux. So an address can in principle be partially manual :) And DHCP can assign temporary addresses. Alain sums it up best I think - you can only make a best guess. -- Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 27 04:50:12 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNOX-0006cG-FK; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:48:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNOW-0006c9-P0 for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:48:52 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNOV-0003xf-Gf for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:48:52 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2006 01:48:51 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9R8mo9R016410; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:48:50 -0700 Received: from imail.cisco.com (sjc12-sbr-sw3-3f5.cisco.com [172.19.96.182]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k9R8moAo011582; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.254.247.5] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4356.cisco.com [10.61.81.3]) by imail.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k9R8aGRd005241; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:36:17 -0700 Message-ID: <4541C7F0.3050100@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:48:48 +0200 From: Eliot Lear User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Durand, Alain" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3.cisco.com; header.From=lear@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=415; t=1161938930; x=1162802930; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lear@cisco.com; z=From:Eliot=20Lear=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20address=20selection=20and=20DHCPv6; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DTBW0p3AeDVf3M0uwc8VDnrCT5KA=3D; b=HPXbxWG3ral4EfwUuW7l9J/m3VDHtdpX8eb/ZHcgV2J3eOAeY/HqfXpT9LiIbYLVv/1YYGXf UgPMpLWnrVvPI1iSEu0AeRq9dH0D7IVBstQsMkxcLb26ePWvw5cRk1mA; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: Vlad Yasevich , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Alain, > Ipv6 address will be much more stable > than EUI64. > But, more importantly, they will be centrally assigned, ie can be > propagated > to places that maitain ACLs. > Just because one receives a DHCP-assigned address doesn't mean one will use it, and so such "security" is fraught with risks. I'm not say it's impossible, but great caution is needed when going in this direction. 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I'm not say it's > impossible, but great caution is needed when going in this direction. I think that has the evaluation a bit backwards. It isn't that the "unknown" addresses will have any additional privileges, but rather that the centrally-assigned (DHCP-managed) ones will work better in that environment because they'll match up with the centrally-administered network configuration. For example, some addresses may have nice-looking reverse DNS entries, while others do not. Obviously, anyone who wants to can spoof an address on a link and thus pick up the features of one of those known addresses. But, then, both NDP and RAs are insecure as well, so it's hardly a surprise that it does matter who is allowed to attach to a given link. The risk being cited here is of falling into an "unusable" address, or at least one that works poorly, and not an attempt to foster any sort of security-by-IP-address mechanism. -- James Carlson, KISS Network Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jrpwjmd@planetdv.net Fri Oct 27 11:04:42 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTGD-00032g-WF for ipngwg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:04:42 -0400 Received: from [201.79.16.156] (helo=20179016156.user.veloxzone.com.br) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTG8-0001NB-K5 for ipngwg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:04:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c6f9d9$38231300$9c104fc9@Balcao01> From: "Tutti Capi" To: ipngwg-archive@ietf.org Subject: four Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:04:37 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C6F9C8.749A4300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 4b66a1e94d7d92973ece9e5da449ff80 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C6F9C8.749A4300 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01C6F9C8.749A4300" ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C6F9C8.749A4300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hijacks Listings Rated mob Pictures Views in aug Popups delay Successful = Files Categories Indian Films Desi. 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Subject: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' to Draft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the IP Version 6 Working Group to consider the following document: - 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6) ' as a Draft Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2006-11-10. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis-09.txt Implementation Report can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/IESG/implementation.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 27 14:56:34 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdWr9-0000SV-2Q; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:55:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdWr6-0000SC-RT for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:55:00 -0400 Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdWr3-00019T-Ju for ipv6@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:55:00 -0400 Received: from crowley.qualcomm.com (crowley.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.151]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id k9RIsrRA022893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:54:54 -0700 Received: from NAEXBR03.na.qualcomm.com (naexbr03.qualcomm.com [129.46.134.172]) by crowley.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id k9RIrrZ6029198; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sanexcas01.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.36.175]) by NAEXBR03.na.qualcomm.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:54:49 -0700 Received: from NAEX14.na.qualcomm.com ([10.47.5.242]) by sanexcas01.na.qualcomm.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:54:49 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:54:49 -0700 Message-ID: <7EB20EA0938B4D42A2D82689365C9B7A2AC4C3@NAEX14.na.qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' to Draft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) Thread-Index: Acb59Q3FTFZ7KmXoEdudHQARJNUNiAACdiXA From: "Soliman, Hesham" To: "Basavaraj Patil" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2006 18:54:49.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[612D00B0:01C6F9F9] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 Cc: Thomas Narten Subject: RE: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' to Draft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Folks,=20 This issue was discussed some time ago and we didn't officially resolve it on the list. Basavaraj is suggesting that the hard limit of 1800 seconds is restrictive to some deployments (cellular) and suggests that we increase it.=20 Here is how it is currently defined: MaxRtrAdvInterval The maximum time allowed between sending unsolicited multicast Router Advertisements from the interface, in seconds. MUST be no less than 4 seconds and no greater than 1800 seconds. Default: 600 seconds Realistically there are two possible options to handle this: 1. Accept the issue: Increase the value of the MaxRtrAdvInterval. It seems that in order to do this in a backward compatible way, we can't increase it beyond 2999 seconds. That's because the default value for the AdvDefaultLifetime is 3 * MaxRtrAdvInterval and it must be < 9000 seconds.=20 2. Reject the issue.=20 Please let me know if the suggestions above are flawed or if you have another option to include. Otherwise, please express your opinions as to whether we should choose 1) or 2) above.=20 Personally I have no problem with 1).=20 Hesham > -----Original Message----- > From: Basavaraj Patil [mailto:basavaraj.patil@nokia.com]=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:24 AM > To: iesg@ietf.org > Cc: Syam Madanapalli; Soliman, Hesham; Thomas Narten > Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6=20 > (IPv6)' to Draft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis)=20 >=20 >=20 > Comment about the MaxRtrAdvInterval value specified in this I-D: >=20 > The I-D specifies 1800 seconds as the maximum interval=20 > between sending > unsolicited periodic RAs. This value can be an impediment in=20 > some network > deployments (eg. Cellular networks). The maximum interval should be a > configurable value which can be set to the order of several=20 > hours (6~12 > hours) as needed. > Periodic RAs every 30 minutes can be disruptive in certain=20 > networks and > hence the value should be modified. >=20 > An I-D proposing the revision of this value and the=20 > reasoning behind it is: > draft-madanapalli-ipv6-periodic-rtr-advts-00.txt >=20 > -Basavaraj >=20 > On 10/27/06 1:06 PM, "ext The IESG" wrote: >=20 > > The IESG has received a request from the IP Version 6 Working Group > > to consider the following document: > >=20 > > - 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6) ' > > as a Draft Standard > >=20 > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks,=20 > and solicits > > final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the > > iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2006-11-10. > >=20 > > The file can be obtained via > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis-09.txt > >=20 > > Implementation Report can be accessed at > > http://www.ietf.org/IESG/implementation.html > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > > ipv6@ietf.org > > Administrative Requests:=20 > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 28 09:15:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdnwP-0001Up-PZ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:09:37 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdnwN-0001Mh-Rp for ipv6@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:09:35 -0400 Received: from massilia.int-evry.fr ([157.159.10.13]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdnwL-0008ML-Eo for ipv6@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:09:35 -0400 Received: from massilia.int-evry.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by massilia.int-evry.fr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9SD9OaF010918; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:09:24 +0200 Received: (from apache@localhost) by massilia.int-evry.fr (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id k9SD9Nbp010917; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:09:23 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: massilia.int-evry.fr: apache set sender to Pars.Mutaf@int-evry.fr using -f Received: from www.passagesaintsebastien.com (www.passagesaintsebastien.com [81.57.101.151]) by imp.int-evry.fr (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:09:23 +0200 Message-ID: <1162040963.454356833d998@imp.int-evry.fr> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:09:23 +0200 From: Pars MUTAF To: "Soliman, Hesham" References: <7EB20EA0938B4D42A2D82689365C9B7A2AC4C3@NAEX14.na.qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <7EB20EA0938B4D42A2D82689365C9B7A2AC4C3@NAEX14.na.qualcomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 81.57.101.151 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: Thomas Narten , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' toDraft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Selon "Soliman, Hesham" : > 1. Accept the issue: Increase the value of the MaxRtrAdvInterval. It > seems that in order to do this in a backward compatible way, we can't > increase it beyond 2999 seconds. That's because the default value for > the AdvDefaultLifetime is 3 * MaxRtrAdvInterval and it must be < 9000 > seconds. > > 2. Reject the issue. > > Please let me know if the suggestions above are flawed or if you have > another option to include. Otherwise, please express your opinions as to > whether we should choose 1) or 2) above. > > Personally I have no problem with 1). 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28 Oct 2006 17:31:37 -0400 Received: from vms172.mailsrvcs.net ([192.168.1.1]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7V00GPB7S9AZY3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for ipv6@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:31:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 129.55.200.20 ([129.55.200.20]) by vms172.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:31:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:31:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Tim Enos X-Originating-IP: [129.55.200.20] To: "Soliman, Hesham" , Basavaraj Patil , ipv6@ietf.org Message-id: <4492369.371301162071081204.JavaMail.root@vms172.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c83ccb5cc10e751496398f1233ca9c3a Cc: Thomas Narten Subject: RE: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' to Draft Standar X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org >From: "Soliman, Hesham" >Date: 2006/10/27 Fri PM 01:54:49 CDT >To: Basavaraj Patil , ipv6@ietf.org >Cc: Thomas Narten >Subject: RE: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' to Draft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) >Folks, > >This issue was discussed some time ago and we didn't officially resolve >it on the list. >Basavaraj is suggesting that the hard limit of 1800 seconds is >restrictive to some deployments (cellular) and suggests that we increase >it. > >Here is how it is currently defined: > >MaxRtrAdvInterval > The maximum time allowed between sending > unsolicited multicast Router Advertisements from > the interface, in seconds. MUST be no less than 4 > seconds and no greater than 1800 seconds. > > Default: 600 seconds > >Realistically there are two possible options to handle this: > >1. Accept the issue: Increase the value of the MaxRtrAdvInterval. It >seems that in order to do this in a backward compatible way, we can't >increase it beyond 2999 seconds. That's because the default value for >the AdvDefaultLifetime is 3 * MaxRtrAdvInterval and it must be < 9000 >seconds. > >2. Reject the issue. > >Please let me know if the suggestions above are flawed or if you have >another option to include. Otherwise, please express your opinions as to >whether we should choose 1) or 2) above. > >Personally I have no problem with 1). I don't necessarily see any flaws in 1) and believe we should adopt it if we are not also going to increase the upper bound for AdvDefaultLifetime. > >Hesham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Basavaraj Patil [mailto:basavaraj.patil@nokia.com] > > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:24 AM > > To: iesg@ietf.org > > Cc: Syam Madanapalli; Soliman, Hesham; Thomas Narten > > Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 > > (IPv6)' to Draft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) > > > > > > Comment about the MaxRtrAdvInterval value specified in this I-D: > > > > The I-D specifies 1800 seconds as the maximum interval > > between sending > > unsolicited periodic RAs. This value can be an impediment in > > some network > > deployments (eg. Cellular networks). The maximum interval should be a > > configurable value which can be set to the order of several > > hours (6~12 > > hours) as needed. > > Periodic RAs every 30 minutes can be disruptive in certain > > networks and > > hence the value should be modified. > > > > An I-D proposing the revision of this value and the > > reasoning behind it is: > > draft-madanapalli-ipv6-periodic-rtr-advts-00.txt > > > > -Basavaraj > > > > On 10/27/06 1:06 PM, "ext The IESG" wrote: > > > > > The IESG has received a request from the IP Version 6 Working Group > > > to consider the following document: > > > > > > - 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6) ' > > > as a Draft Standard > > > > > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, > > and solicits > > > final comments on this action. 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If this script produces broken output, you get to keep both pieces. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Sun Oct 29 01:24:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ge40C-00086z-Ut; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:18:36 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ge40A-00086q-T0 for ipv6@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:18:34 -0500 Received: from eunet-gw.ipv6.netcore.fi ([2001:670:86:3001::1] helo=netcore.fi) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ge40A-0003A7-DC for ipv6@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:18:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9T6IME3017389; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:18:22 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:18:22 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: "Soliman, Hesham" In-Reply-To: <7EB20EA0938B4D42A2D82689365C9B7A2AC4C3@NAEX14.na.qualcomm.com> Message-ID: References: <7EB20EA0938B4D42A2D82689365C9B7A2AC4C3@NAEX14.na.qualcomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.5/2128/Sat Oct 28 19:39:59 2006 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on otso.netcore.fi X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Cc: Thomas Narten , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' to Draft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Soliman, Hesham wrote: > MaxRtrAdvInterval > The maximum time allowed between sending > unsolicited multicast Router Advertisements from > the interface, in seconds. MUST be no less than 4 > seconds and no greater than 1800 seconds. > > Default: 600 seconds > > Realistically there are two possible options to handle this: > > 1. Accept the issue: Increase the value of the MaxRtrAdvInterval. It > seems that in order to do this in a backward compatible way, we can't > increase it beyond 2999 seconds. That's because the default value for > the AdvDefaultLifetime is 3 * MaxRtrAdvInterval and it must be < 9000 > seconds. > > 2. Reject the issue. I don't think we need to change 1). IMHO, the difference between 1800 seconds and 2999 (or whatever new maximum we'd specify) seems irrelevant. 30 vs 49 minutes requires special cases in cellular and similar deployments in any case, so raising the default only that much isn't going to change anything. On the other hand, I have seen numerous cases where solicited multicast RAs haven't worked for various reasons (such as, being sent too early and no network connectivity, not being sent when resuming from suspend, etc.), and you've only obtained RA information from the next unsolicited RA. Hence, unsolicited RAs do seem to have a place. But if we're going to change the spec, I'd even go as far as suggest lowering the default to say 60 or 100 seconds. I suggest we stay with the current text. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. 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(www.passagesaintsebastien.com [81.57.101.151]) by imp.int-evry.fr (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:36:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1162150603.454502cb42917@imp.int-evry.fr> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:36:43 +0100 From: Pars MUTAF To: Pekka Savola References: <7EB20EA0938B4D42A2D82689365C9B7A2AC4C3@NAEX14.na.qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 81.57.101.151 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 Cc: Thomas Narten , ipv6@ietf.org, "Soliman, Hesham" Subject: RE: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' to DraftStandard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Selon Pekka Savola : > On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Soliman, Hesham wrote: > > MaxRtrAdvInterval > > The maximum time allowed between sending > > unsolicited multicast Router Advertisements from > > the interface, in seconds. MUST be no less than 4 > > seconds and no greater than 1800 seconds. > > > > Default: 600 seconds > > > > Realistically there are two possible options to handle this: > > > > 1. Accept the issue: Increase the value of the MaxRtrAdvInterval. It > > seems that in order to do this in a backward compatible way, we can't > > increase it beyond 2999 seconds. That's because the default value for > > the AdvDefaultLifetime is 3 * MaxRtrAdvInterval and it must be < 9000 > > seconds. > > > > 2. Reject the issue. > > I don't think we need to change 1). IMHO, the difference between 1800 > seconds and 2999 (or whatever new maximum we'd specify) seems > irrelevant. 30 vs 49 minutes requires special cases in cellular and > similar deployments in any case, so raising the default only that much > isn't going to change anything. > > On the other hand, I have seen numerous cases where solicited > multicast RAs haven't worked for various reasons (such as, being sent > too early and no network connectivity, not being sent when resuming > from suspend, etc.), and you've only obtained RA information from the > next unsolicited RA. Hence, unsolicited RAs do seem to have a place. > But if we're going to change the spec, I'd even go as far as suggest > lowering the default to say 60 or 100 seconds. Hi, I personally agree with you, but in this particular network (cellular as you know) this is too costly. Signaling cost I mean. It looks like cellular folks don't like that. In fact, I don't understand why they are asking IETF approval. My personal interpretation is that they have some solutions in mind. For some reason they depend on increasing the value of the MaxRtrAdvInterval. So, I'm OK. Because I have nothing against, and perhaps we can talk about something more exciting? ;-) A new draft for example.. :-) Regards, pars ps: Theoretically speaking, we don't know currently how to design a paging protocol that is as reliable as ND. On the other hand, ND wasn't designed for paging support (which is currently the most efficient dormant mode). > I suggest we stay with the current text. > > -- > Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the > Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." > Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Sun Oct 29 17:56:43 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeJVU-0004qY-G0; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:51:56 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeJOi-0005JD-N4; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:44:56 -0500 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeJIR-0006IO-5Z; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:38:28 -0500 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE3389856; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:38:19 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DE089854; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:38:18 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <45452D5A.6000007@piuha.net> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:38:18 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Cc: Internet Area , HIP , IETF IPv6 Mailing List , iesg@ietf.org, discuss@apps.ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call: 'An IPv6 Prefix for Overlay Routable Cryptographic Hash Identifiers (ORCHID)' to Experimental RFC (draft-laganier-ipv6-khi) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org We are last calling this document for the second time, for two reasons. The first reason is to make sure that the last call has been circulated widely enough in the community. The second reason is that we want to call the attention of the IETF community on the specific issue of using IPv6 addresses as identifiers in this manner. To summarize the background, the document suggests the allocation of a temporary experimental block out of the IPv6 address space for the purposes of easing experiments that deal with identity-locator split. In particular the HIP community wants this in order to be able to run unmodified applications. The allocated address space would be used to represent identifiers in the place of addresses in the existing APIs. While the long-term plan is to use new APIs that reflect the semantics appropriate for identifiers, the ability to experiment without having to upgrade all applications is important. Such an approach is not without problems, however. For instance, applications that deal with referrals (e.g. one application passing an address to another one) may end up "leaking" such identifiers to the hosts that are not involved in an experiment. Since the identifiers are not routable in the current Internet, communications initiated towards such identifiers will fail. My own take on this issue is that there are risks, but that the benefits are greater. In particular, its clear that the identity-locator split proposals need more experiments and experience before we can consider them for real. Making such experiments easy is important. Also, IMHO, the topic is sufficiently far in the domain of research that the practical danger of the experiment becoming a permanent problem is small. But this is enough about my opinions. 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2006 02:03:09 -0500 Received: from shuttle.wide.toshiba.co.jp ([2001:200:1b1::35]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeRAp-0003rJ-BP for ipv6@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:03:08 -0500 Received: from impact.jinmei.org (unknown [2001:200:1b1:1010:20e:7bff:fedd:fe03]) by shuttle.wide.toshiba.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8511521E; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:02:51 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:02:51 +0900 Message-ID: From: JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEI=?= To: James Carlson In-Reply-To: <17726.28402.301006.138923@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <17726.28402.301006.138923@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: Research & Development Center, Toshiba Corp., Kawasaki, Japan. MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: address selection and DHCPv6 X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org (I've read the other messages in this thread, but I was not sure which one is the most appropriate to follow up to, so I'm going to reply to the original question...) >>>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:52:18 -0400, >>>>> James Carlson said: > I've done quite a bit of searching over the archives and over various > web resources, but I haven't seen this issue addressed directly. > Apologies if I've just missed it. > RFC 3484 ("Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version 6 > (IPv6)") section 5 gives a set of ordered comparisons for source > address selection. However, missing from this list is a distinction > implied by RFCs 2461 and 2462: some systems may have a mix of > addresses acquired by stateless address autoconfiguration, stateful > (DHCPv6) configuration, and manual addressing. How are these > distinguished? > Rule 7 does address the temporary (RFC 3041) addresses, but what about > these other flavors of addresses? Are they distinguished only by > scope? > Was this issue addressed and intentionally omitted from the RFC? (If > so, I don't see it in the archives.) I don't remember a discussion about this point, but in any case, I personally don't think we should try to distinguish these different types of addresses for several reasons. First, I don't think a mixture of different types of addresses is so common, especially addresses of the same scope - assuming ULAs are categorized in a different "scope" than that of other global addresses in this context. For example, if I were a site administrator who wants to configure end host addresses by DHCPv6 for centrally controlled allocation, I would disable stateless address autoconfiguration by setting the A bit for global prefixes in RAs. Of course, we may see a mixed address configuration by accident e.g., due to misconfigured routers, but I don't think it's in the scope of **default** address selection rules. (note that other rules in RFC3484 basically deal with cases that are normally expected to happen: we normally have addresses of different scopes, a mobile node normally has both home and care-of addresses, a privacy-conscious host will normally have both temporary and public addresses, etc). Secondly, if the reason for distinguishing these addresses in address selection is to prefer a "stabler" address, I don't think the stability is so obvious from how the address is configured (via DHCPv6 or SAAC or manual config, etc), as others pointed out. Third (which is less substantial), since DHCPv6 can also allocate a temporary address, the additional rule covering addresses configured via DHCPv6 will make selection complicated. For example, we'll need to clarify whether a public address configured via stateless autoconfiguration should be preferred to a temporary address configured via DHCPv6, etc. I'm not sure if we can find a reasonable "default" rule here. Overall, it seems to me this issue (if we want to handle it in normal operation) is a matter of policy and beyond the scope of *default* selection rule. For example, if we really want to mix addresses configured vi DHCPv6 and addresses configured via SAAC, and want to prefer (e.g.) the former to the latter, (again, as others pointed out) we could differentiate the prefixes for these addresses and control the preference by distributing the policy table via (e.g.) a DHCPv6 option proposed in draft-fujisaki-dhc-addr-select-opt-00. Or, espically in case of DHCPv6, we may even do that without separating the prefixes by specifying the allocated address itself as a /128 "prefix" for the address selection policy DHCPv6 option. This way, we can use the same DHCPv6 message(es) to allocate the address with the address selection preference. JINMEI, Tatuya Communication Platform Lab. 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ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeOs9-0006xJ-Fi; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:35:42 -0500 Received: from magus.qualcomm.com (magus.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.148]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id k9U4ZZS1030056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:35:36 -0800 Received: from [10.0.1.4] (vpn-10-50-16-94.qualcomm.com [10.50.16.94]) by magus.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id k9U4ZW7Z006628; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:35:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <45452D5A.6000007@piuha.net> References: <45452D5A.6000007@piuha.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:35:31 -0800 To: Jari Arkko , IETF Discussion From: Ted Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 34d35111647d654d033d58d318c0d21a X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:54:37 -0500 Cc: HIP , discuss@apps.ietf.org, Internet Area , iesg@ietf.org, IETF IPv6 Mailing List Subject: Re: Last Call: 'An IPv6 Prefix for Overlay Routable Cryptographic Hash Identifiers (ORCHID)' to Experimental RFC (draft-laganier-ipv6-khi) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org First, my thanks to Jari for agreeing to the second last call. Some further comments below. At 12:38 AM +0200 10/30/06, Jari Arkko wrote: >We are last calling this document for the second time, for >two reasons. The first reason is to make sure that the >last call has been circulated widely enough in the >community. > >The second reason is that we want to call the attention >of the IETF community on the specific issue of using >IPv6 addresses as identifiers in this manner. To summarize >the background, the document suggests the allocation >of a temporary experimental block out of the IPv6 >address space for the purposes of easing experiments >that deal with identity-locator split. In particular the >HIP community wants this in order to be able to run >unmodified applications. The allocated address space >would be used to represent identifiers in the place >of addresses in the existing APIs. While the long-term plan is >to use new APIs that reflect the semantics appropriate >for identifiers, the ability to experiment without having >to upgrade all applications is important. I strongly suggest folks actually read the document, rather than relying on the summary above. In my own reading, there were a couple of issues that struck me as potential problems. The first is that this draft has a view of how applications interact with IPv6 addresses that it somewhat unidimensional. It presumes that the application always passes IPv6 addresses "down" the stack where a routing layer takes care of them. That leads to the idea that inserting a shim between the application layer and the routing layer can introduce new functionality without changing the way in which addresses pass across those APIs. That may be true, but it is certainly not the only way in which applications pass IPv6 addresses. Two trivial examples which do not pass that way are the IPv6 addresses given in SDP packets and the IPv6 addresses which may appear in URIs. By choosing to retain the same syntax (but not the same semantics) as the basic IPv6 address, the draft may be making it possible to pass them "down" through shims, but it is also guaranteeing that if they leak out through application-layer pointers, that non-participating hosts will not know that they cannot be passed to the routing system. Once there, they will (hopefully, anyway) not be routable, which will give some pretty hard to diagnose errors for the non-participating users. The draft is careful to note that this should be used only among consenting hosts, but there is no clear way to determine if a host is participating. It is also somewhat problematic that the range set aside may be used for *any* experimental use of this type (not just, say, HIP). I encourage folks to read the draft and see if they believe it would be possible for a host to participate in multiple experiments of this type, or if it would be effectively limited to a single shim. In that same vein, imagine the case where an application layer pointer is sent to a host that is participating in a *different* experiment from the one originally meant. Stepping up a few thousands of feet, I believe that the draft's setting aside these syntactically-but-not-semantically-equal addresses is implying a value judgement that this is the appropriate way to conduct experiments of this type. While it *may* be true for one or more experiments, that meta-statement is not yet born out by experience, and encouraging that choice seems to run ahead of our facts. Though this draft discusses "overlays", there is no requirement that these systems be overlays in the sense of the term I see used most commonly; they do not have to fit into the same class as one-to-many VPNs, MPLS LSPs, or any of the overlay-as-tunnel mechanisms we commonly see. Instead, they may rely on the resolution of one class of identifier before using the common routing system (and there is no guarantee that any of what was present before the shim did the resolution will be present after). There may well be resolution mechanisms to be tested here which would be much more effective if they did not presume that the input syntax and output syntax had to be the same. Setting aside the range in the way this draft does seems to imply that the answer *should* lie in the class of resolutions where the syntax is the same on both sides of the resolution. Fundamentally, these identifiers are not v6 addresses at all. Setting aside a portion of the v6 address space in this way risks, in my mind, pushing us further down a bad road, where that syntax is fundamentally meaningless without a context. This is bad because we have not successfully designed a mechanism for indicating that context. Leaving the semantics of these identifiers reliant on inference is a recipe for poor performance and, possibly, outright failure. regards, Ted Hardie -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From imfqoho@opusadvisory.com Mon Oct 30 12:20:18 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Geao6-0004tJ-TA for ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:20:18 -0500 Received: from host193-205-static.82-213-b.business.telecomitalia.it ([213.82.205.193]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Geao1-0007Ee-P1 for ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:20:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c6fc47$a724c440$c1cd52d5@KATFAL> From: "Alienware Amazon" To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: published Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:20:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C6FC50.08E92C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bd8a74b81c71f965ca7918b90d1c49c0 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C6FC50.08E92C40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01C6FC50.08E92C40" ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C6FC50.08E92C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vampires vs Werewolves Weve or grown tired pirates ninjas so little = seasonally rando a Alpha or Spyware in Doctor Adware! 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b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Subject: Prefix Delegation in DHCPv6 server X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0760716807==" Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org --===============0760716807== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1275544804-1162269584=:42325" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --0-1275544804-1162269584=:42325 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I am using Open source DHCPv6 code from sourceforge side. In that I have follwing issue. I am new to this, so can you please clear me about follwing issue. When I add Prefix-delgation option in DHCPv6 server's and client's conf file. But server assigns only Prefix value and doen't assign any IPv6 addresses to client from the range specified in server's conf file, Is this a expected behaviour of DHCPv6 server? or we have to modify anything for prefix-delegation so that client gets IPv6 address as well as prefix-delgation value. I want to start radvd with DHCPv6 client which uses the prefix value to radvd. radvd uses that prefix value. Thanks, Santosh --------------------------------- Find out what India is talking about on - Yahoo! Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW --0-1275544804-1162269584=:42325 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi,

I am using Open source DHCPv6 code from sourceforge side. In that I have follwing issue. I am new to this, so can you please clear me about follwing issue.

When I add Prefix-delgation option in DHCPv6 server's and client's conf file. But server assigns only Prefix value and doen't assign any IPv6 addresses to client from the range specified in server's conf file, Is this a expected behaviour of DHCPv6 server? or we have to modify anything for prefix-delegation so that client gets IPv6 address as well as  prefix-delgation value.

I want to start radvd with DHCPv6 client which uses the prefix value to radvd. radvd uses that prefix value.

Thanks,
Santosh


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MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Cc: Thomas Narten , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' to Draft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org >>>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:54:49 -0700, >>>>> "Soliman, Hesham" said: > This issue was discussed some time ago and we didn't officially resolve > it on the list. > Basavaraj is suggesting that the hard limit of 1800 seconds is > restrictive to some deployments (cellular) and suggests that we increase > it. > Here is how it is currently defined: > MaxRtrAdvInterval > The maximum time allowed between sending > unsolicited multicast Router Advertisements from > the interface, in seconds. MUST be no less than 4 > seconds and no greater than 1800 seconds. > Default: 600 seconds > Realistically there are two possible options to handle this: > 1. Accept the issue: Increase the value of the MaxRtrAdvInterval. It > seems that in order to do this in a backward compatible way, we can't > increase it beyond 2999 seconds. That's because the default value for > the AdvDefaultLifetime is 3 * MaxRtrAdvInterval and it must be < 9000 > seconds. > 2. Reject the issue. My short answer is I support option 2. I do not necessarily object to raising MaxRtrAdvInterval for some types of links per se, but I think it's outside the scope of 2461bis. In general, the goal of 2461bis is (as far as I understand it) to fix specification bugs and to clarify confusing points, but this issue does not seem to belong to either of them. Also, I think it's risky to raise one particular parameter without understanding the rationale. For example, with max of MaxRtrAdvInterval = 1800 and max of AdvDefaultLifetime = 9000, we can allow (about) 4 consecutive losses of RAs in some worst case scenarios. Raising the former without leaving the latter will change this dependency, and although this should be a minor difference, I basically don't think we're willing to introduce such a change when recycling a spec at the DS status. BTW, the current specification already allows per-link optimizations/customizations in a different document, e.g.: 6.2.1. Router Configuration Variables [...] The default values for some of the variables listed below may be overridden by specific documents that describe how IPv6 operates over different link layers. This rule simplifies the configuration of Neighbor Discovery over link types with widely differing performance characteristics. I believe this issue well falls into this case. In summary, I suggest keeping the current text of 2461bis, and, if necessary, writing a separate document that specifies link-specific ND parameters for cellular links (or links with similar properties). JINMEI, Tatuya Communication Platform Lab. 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ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:49:38 -0500 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.10/Switch-3.1.10) with ESMTP id k9VFnGW7007013; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:49:29 +0200 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:49:18 +0200 Received: from daebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.113]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:49:15 -0600 Received: from 172.19.244.134 ([172.19.244.134]) by daebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.113]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:49:16 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:51:29 -0600 From: Basavaraj Patil To: ext JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEIg?= , "Soliman, Hesham" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' to Draft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) Thread-Index: Acb9BG3FrJJ8rmj3EduZGQARJNUNiA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2006 15:49:15.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E5F0CC0:01C6FD04] X-eXpurgate-Category: 1/0 X-eXpurgate-ID: 149371::061031174930-19140BB0-6CA1A9F9/0-0/0-1 X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: Thomas Narten , ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)' to Draft Standard (draft-ietf-ipv6-2461bis) X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hesham, I like Jinmei's proposal of rejecting the issue as far as changing 2461bis value goes. Because even the Max value of 2999 seconds is still not good enough for some links. So I think it is best to let IPv6 over foo specific documents specify what router configuration variables are modified or over-ridden (from the default 2461bis). -Basavaraj On 10/30/06 11:53 PM, "ext JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉" wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:54:49 -0700, >>>>>> "Soliman, Hesham" said: > >> This issue was discussed some time ago and we didn't officially resolve >> it on the list. >> Basavaraj is suggesting that the hard limit of 1800 seconds is >> restrictive to some deployments (cellular) and suggests that we increase >> it. > >> Here is how it is currently defined: > >> MaxRtrAdvInterval >> The maximum time allowed between sending >> unsolicited multicast Router Advertisements from >> the interface, in seconds. MUST be no less than 4 >> seconds and no greater than 1800 seconds. > >> Default: 600 seconds > >> Realistically there are two possible options to handle this: > >> 1. Accept the issue: Increase the value of the MaxRtrAdvInterval. It >> seems that in order to do this in a backward compatible way, we can't >> increase it beyond 2999 seconds. That's because the default value for >> the AdvDefaultLifetime is 3 * MaxRtrAdvInterval and it must be < 9000 >> seconds. > >> 2. Reject the issue. > > My short answer is I support option 2. > > I do not necessarily object to raising MaxRtrAdvInterval for some > types of links per se, but I think it's outside the scope of 2461bis. > > In general, the goal of 2461bis is (as far as I understand it) to fix > specification bugs and to clarify confusing points, but this issue > does not seem to belong to either of them. Also, I think it's risky > to raise one particular parameter without understanding the > rationale. For example, with max of MaxRtrAdvInterval = 1800 and max > of AdvDefaultLifetime = 9000, we can allow (about) 4 consecutive > losses of RAs in some worst case scenarios. Raising the former > without leaving the latter will change this dependency, and although > this should be a minor difference, I basically don't think we're > willing to introduce such a change when recycling a spec at the DS > status. > > BTW, the current specification already allows per-link > optimizations/customizations in a different document, e.g.: > > 6.2.1. Router Configuration Variables > > [...] > > The default values for some of the variables listed below may be > overridden by specific documents that describe how IPv6 operates over > different link layers. This rule simplifies the configuration of > Neighbor Discovery over link types with widely differing performance > characteristics. > > I believe this issue well falls into this case. > > In summary, I suggest keeping the current text of 2461bis, and, if > necessary, writing a separate document that specifies link-specific ND > parameters for cellular links (or links with similar properties). > > JINMEI, Tatuya > Communication Platform Lab. > Corporate R&D Center, Toshiba Corp. > jinmei@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 31 12:02:58 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GewwZ-0002Qh-2j; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:58:31 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GewwW-0002P5-NM for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:58:29 -0500 Received: from smtp2.int-evry.fr ([157.159.10.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GewwR-00061B-Uv for ipv6@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:58:28 -0500 Received: from lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr (lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr [157.159.103.217]) by smtp2.int-evry.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8ED32FEC7 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:58:15 +0100 (CET) From: Pars Mutaf To: ipv6@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <1161879377.32765.16.camel@lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr> References: <1159542771.24882.52.camel@lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr> <1161089469.17266.26.camel@lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr> <1161879377.32765.16.camel@lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: INT Evry Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:52:16 +0100 Message-Id: <1162313536.19141.6.camel@lor-maknavic3.int-evry.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-INT-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-INT-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-INT-MailScanner-MCPCheck: X-INT-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-INT-MailScanner-From: pars.mutaf@int-evry.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: humid code X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pars.mutaf@int-evry.fr List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Code (simple, just to show the principle, and README): http://www.freewebs.com/pmutaf/humid_code.tgz Motivations: http://www.freewebs.com/pmutaf/draft-mutaf-ipv6humid-02.txt Thanks, pars (ps: sensor folks are also interested.) -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From dfefafaaf@carlsenresources.com Tue Oct 31 13:27:20 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeyKW-00005B-9e; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:27:20 -0500 Received: from [88.226.12.116] (helo=escort) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeyKL-0001Uv-8d; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:27:20 -0500 From: "Sanford Michel" To: Subject: urgently to you 112.5% increase all-important Date: Tue, 31 Nov 2006 18:27:13 -0120 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Score: 4.7 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 a child every two or three years after Frank's birth until there wereworth much more than their face value indicated.curious about stocks and bonds and he learned that some stocks and bondsvalues were calculated according to one primary value, that of gold.knew a number of the more prosperous merchants who dealt with his bank,and trustworthy individual.In this progress of his father young Cowperwood definitely shared. 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It is your unique chance to double or triple your investments next week. and because as a clerk his duties necessitated his calling at other From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 31 17:17:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gf1pi-00047i-Fm; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:11:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gf1ph-00047Y-Kw; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:11:45 -0500 Received: from imr2.ericy.com ([198.24.6.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gf1pa-0007DR-8U; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:11:45 -0500 Received: from eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se (eusrcmw750.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.77.50]) by imr2.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VMUDnF015482; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:30:13 -0600 Received: from eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se ([138.85.77.53]) by eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:11:33 -0600 Received: from [142.133.10.140] ([142.133.10.140]) by eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:11:33 -0600 Message-ID: <4547CB10.9000901@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:15:44 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060313) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipv6@ietf.org, int-area@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2006 22:11:33.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[8655C910:01C6FD39] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: Dna Subject: DNA protocol document: Review requested X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "IP Version 6 Working Group \(ipv6\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hi Folks, The dna working group has been working on enhancements to IPV6 neighbor discovery to quickly detect link changes. The protocol is nearing completion and we would like to solicit the IPv6 wg and the intarea ML for comments since this is a pretty significant update to IPv6 neighbor discovery. http://www1.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dna-protocol-03.txt The DNA working group is meeting in San Diego to discuss the proposal detailed in the above document. We highly appreciate any feedback the you can provide. 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Company of folks is Arcade Grove Melville. Trailer = book in=20 Posted Richard am Eoin of Nash pm.
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