From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 3 11:26:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09097 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGhWr-00077b-Ja for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:26:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA3GQ9ll027369 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:26:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGhWr-00077M-EV for l3vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:26:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09083 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGhWq-0000II-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:26:08 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGhWq-0000IE-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:26:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGhWj-00076d-87; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:26:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGhWN-00076E-VA for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:25:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09070 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGhWN-0000Hw-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:25:39 -0500 Received: from natint2.juniper.net ([207.17.136.150] helo=merlot.juniper.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGhWM-0000Hd-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:25:38 -0500 Received: from rcallon-lt.juniper.net (securepptp045.static.jnpr.net [172.24.253.45]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hA3GP7i14456; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:25:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rcallon@juniper.net) Message-Id: <4.3.2.20031103112152.0139b9e0@zircon.juniper.net> X-Sender: rcallon@zircon.juniper.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:23:23 -0500 To: l3vpn@ietf.org From: Ross Callon Subject: Agenda items for l3vpn in Minneapolis Cc: Ronald.P.Bonica@mci.com, rick@rhwilder.net, rcallon@juniper.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , If anyone has items which they would like added to the l3vpn working group agenda at the upcoming IETF in Minneapolis then please send email to Ron, Rick, and I. Thanks, Ross From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 5 10:47:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10746 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHPs8-0000sd-Ik for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:47:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA5Fl4Lh003377 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:47:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHPs8-0000sO-De for l3vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:47:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10715 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHPs6-00061L-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:47:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHPs5-00061H-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:47:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHPs6-0000rm-4D; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:47:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHPrW-0000oa-Hx for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:46:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10669 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHPrU-000615-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:46:24 -0500 Received: from dns1.marketweb.net.tr ([212.45.64.20] helo=kheops.marketweb.net.tr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHPrR-000612-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:46:22 -0500 Received: from mert ([212.45.75.17]) by kheops.marketweb.net.tr (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id hA5G0hXQ003498 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:00:48 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c3a3b3$ec591380$11f28ec3@mert> From: "Mertay" To: Subject: EIGRP for MPLS VPN Protocol Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:45:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3A3C4.AC4275A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.4(snapshot 20030410) (kheops.marketweb.net.tr) Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3A3C4.AC4275A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks: I am cheif technology architect for regional IP service provider. We = have been getting requests from customer to use EIGRP as peering = protocol for MPLS VPN service. As far as I know this is Propritary = protocol. What is the position of this "Standard" group? This is getting = alot of market in L3 VPN space. thanks Mertay Basekim ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3A3C4.AC4275A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks:

I am cheif technology architect for regional IP service provider. We = have=20 been getting requests from customer to use EIGRP as peering protocol for = MPLS=20 VPN service. As far as I know this is Propritary protocol. What is the = position=20 of this "Standard" group? This is getting alot of market in L3 VPN = space.

 

thanks

Mertay Basekim

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3A3C4.AC4275A0-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 10:51:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06676 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJanO-0000tn-K3 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABFpAxK003449 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJanO-0000tU-GQ for l3vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06645 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJanL-0004y5-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:07 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJanL-0004xw-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJanG-0000oC-DS; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJamc-0000me-Qs for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06606 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJama-0004xJ-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:20 -0500 Received: from natint2.juniper.net ([207.17.136.150] helo=merlot.juniper.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJamZ-0004wv-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:19 -0500 Received: from rcallon-lt.juniper.net (securepptp094.static.jnpr.net [172.24.253.94]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hABFnki32768 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:49:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rcallon@juniper.net) Message-Id: <4.3.2.20031111103740.02e62218@zircon.juniper.net> X-Sender: rcallon@zircon.juniper.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:43:00 -0500 To: l3vpn@ietf.org From: Ross Callon Subject: FYI: Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ospf-2547-dnbit-01.txt to both lists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is the last call in the OSPF working group for the document draft-ietf-ospf-2547-dnbit-01.txt. This document describes an extension to OSPF for the purpose of supporting L3 VPNs. Note that this last call has been extended to 11/21/2003 (5pm eastern time), so there is still plenty of time to respond. In order to send to the OSPF mailing list you have to be a member of the OSPF mailing list. If anyone wants to comment but is not on the list, there are two options: (i) Get added to the OSPF list; or (ii) Send comments to the ospf chairs and document authors. Thanks, Ross >X-JNPR-Received-From: outside >To: OSPF@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM >cc: ronald.p.bonica@mci.com, rick@rhwilder.net, rcallon@juniper.net, > erosen@cisco.com >Subject: Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ospf-2547-dnbit-01.txt to both lists >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:31:49 -0500 >From: Rohit Dube >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2003 01:31:51.0340 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D85BEC0:01C39DBC] >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > > >This is the start of a Working Group last call for >"Using an LSA Options Bit to Prevent Looping in BGP/MPLS IP VPNs" >(draft-ietf-ospf-2547-dnbit-01.txt) >All comments should be received by 5PM (US Eastern), 11/14/2003. >Please send your comments to the OSPF list. > >The draft can be found at >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-2547-dnbit-01.txt >This is a companion document to draft-ietf-l3vpn-ospf-2547-00.txt >which is also in Last Call. Both of these documents are being Last Called >in OSPF WG as well as the L3VPN WG. > >--rohit. 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Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:15 -0500 Received: from rcallon-lt.juniper.net (securepptp094.static.jnpr.net [172.24.253.94]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hABFnei32762 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:49:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rcallon@juniper.net) Message-Id: <4.3.2.20031111102509.0138b410@zircon.juniper.net> X-Sender: rcallon@zircon.juniper.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:45:01 -0500 To: l3vpn@ietf.org From: Ross Callon Subject: Draft Agenda for Working Group meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Draft Agenda for L3VPN Agenda Bashing (5 minutes -- chairs) Status of Working Group Documents (15 minutes -- Ross Callon) Ongoing / Future work in L3VPN (15 minutes -- Ron Bonica) MPLS over L2TP (15 minutes -- Mark Townsley) CE member authentication (20 minutes -- Ron Bonica and Michael Behringer) From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 10:51:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06708 for ; 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Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJanG-0000oW-QD; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJamd-0000md-1O for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06603 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJamX-0004xE-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:17 -0500 Received: from natint2.juniper.net ([207.17.136.150] helo=merlot.juniper.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJamX-0004wu-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:17 -0500 Received: from rcallon-lt.juniper.net (securepptp094.static.jnpr.net [172.24.253.94]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hABFnii32765; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:49:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rcallon@juniper.net) Message-Id: <4.3.2.20031111103244.02cc8ce0@zircon.juniper.net> X-Sender: rcallon@zircon.juniper.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:37:29 -0500 To: l3vpn@ietf.org From: Ross Callon Subject: Extended last call draft-ietf-l3vpn-ospf-2547-00.txt Cc: acee@redback.com, rohit@utstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , The last call deadline on draft-ietf-l3vpn-ospf-2547-00.txt is extended to 11/21/2003 5PM Eastern. This is partly due to the IETF (people are pretty busy this week), and partly to correspond to the last call on the companion document draft-ietf-ospf-2547-dnbit-01.txt whose last call in the OSPF working group has also been extended to 11/21/2003. thanks, Ross >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:57:53 -0500 >To: l3vpn@ietf.org, ospf@peach.ease.lsoft.com >From: Ross Callon >Subject: last call draft-ietf-l3vpn-ospf-2547-00.txt >Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org > >This begins the working group last call on: > > OSPF as the PE/CE Protocol in BGP/MPLS VPNs > draft-ietf-l3vpn-ospf-2547-00.txt > >While this document is an l3vpn working group document, >the last call will take place on both the l3vpn and ospf working >group mailing lists. The last call will terminate at the end of the >day on Friday November 14th. > >Thanks, Ross > From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 14 01:51:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA15366 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKXnc-00054y-HY for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:51:21 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAE6pKpI019518 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:51:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKXnc-00054j-Dj for l3vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:51:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA15360 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKXnZ-0007LO-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:51:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKXnY-0007LK-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:51:16 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKXnJ-00052r-Gf; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:51:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKXmg-00051k-EE for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:50:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA15328 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKXmd-0007KU-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:50:19 -0500 Received: from [203.197.140.35] (helo=fsnt.future.futsoft.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKXmb-0007KM-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:50:18 -0500 Received: from kailash.future.futsoft.com (unverified [203.197.140.36]) by fsnt.future.futsoft.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:24:52 +0530 Received: from sakthivss (sakthivss.future.futsoft.com [10.6.4.130]) by kailash.future.futsoft.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id hAE6mu326238 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:18:56 +0530 Reply-To: From: "Sakthivadivu.S.S" To: Subject: Carrying Label Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:21:46 +0530 Message-ID: <001101c3aa7b$c62022c0$8204060a@future.futsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3AAA9.DFD85EC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8B888AAAAB0FD31189590008C791844310DE9958@zbl6c002.corpeast.baynetworks.com> Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3AAA9.DFD85EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageHi, The Carrying Label Infomation in BGP4 (RFC 3107) says in section 3 under heading b) Label " The Label field carries one or more labels (that corresponds to the stack of labels [MPLS-ENCAPS]). Each label is encoded as 3 octets, where the high-order 20 bits contain the label value, and the low order bit contains "Bottom of Stack" (as defined in [MPLS-ENCAPS]). " Can you please tell me when will more than one label be distributed in BGP upadte message. Only LDP distributes two labels in the ATM scenario. Since the label in the BGP update message is associated with BGP nexthop,i feel that only one label will be carried in BGP update message always. Please correct me if i am wrong. Regards, Sakthi *************************************************************************** This message is proprietary to Future Software Limited (FSL) and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. FSL accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information transmitted by this email including damage from virus. *************************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3AAA9.DFD85EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi,
   The Carrying Label Infomation in=20 BGP4  (RFC 3107) says in section 3 under heading b)=20 Label
 
  
    "  The Label field carries one or more labels (that corresponds=20 to
         the stack of labels= [MPLS-ENCAPS]).  Each label is encoded as=20 3
         octets, where the=20 high-order 20 bits contain the label=20 value,
         and the low orde= r bit=20 contains "Bottom of Stack" (as defined=20 in
         [MPLS-ENCAPS]).=20 "

   Can you please tell me when wil= l more=20 than one label be distributed in BGP upadte=20 message.
 
   Only LDP distributes two labels in = the ATM=20 scenario.
 
   Since the label in the BGP update message is associated with BGP= nexthop,i feel that only one label will be carried in BGP=20
   update message  always.=20
 
    Please correct me if i a= m=20 wrong.
 
Regards,
Sakthi


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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3AAA9.DFD85EC0-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 14 04:18:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA02743 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKa5e-0007zi-4P for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:18:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAE9I65e030730 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:18:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKa5d-0007zZ-HF for l3vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:18:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA02736 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKa5a-0001eh-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:18:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKa5a-0001ee-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:18:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKa5a-0007z0-IO; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:18:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKa59-0007uy-5V for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:17:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA02733 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKa56-0001eb-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:17:32 -0500 Received: from web25101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.49]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKa55-0001eG-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:17:31 -0500 Message-ID: <20031114091701.73627.qmail@web25101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web25101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:17:01 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:17:01 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Smith?= Subject: AW: Carrying Label To: l3vpn@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Sakthivadivu, Yes you are right. There is only one label always carried in BGP for the BGP/MPLS VPN which maps to the BGP NEXT_HOP. Cheers, John P.S. And please try not to use HTML in public mailing lists !! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sakthivadivu.S.S To: l3vpn@ietf.org Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: Carrying Label Hi, The Carrying Label Infomation in BGP4 (RFC 3107) says in section 3 under heading b) Label " The Label field carries one or more labels (that corresponds to the stack of labels [MPLS-ENCAPS]). Each label is encoded as 3 octets, where the high-order 20 bits contain the label value, and the low order bit contains "Bottom of Stack" (as defined in [MPLS-ENCAPS]). " Can you please tell me when will more than one label be distributed in BGP upadte message. Only LDP distributes two labels in the ATM scenario. Since the label in the BGP update message is associated with BGP nexthop,i feel that only one label will be carried in BGP update message always. Please correct me if i am wrong. Regards, Sakthi *************************************************************************** This message is proprietary to Future Software Limited (FSL) and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. FSL accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information transmitted by this email including damage from virus. *************************************************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 17 09:08:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12118 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALk32-0008SQ-GG for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:08:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAHE8C3J032504 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:08:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALk32-0008SB-Cc for l3vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:08:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12109 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALk30-0006xi-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:08:11 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALk30-0006xd-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:08:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALk2q-0008QH-Ot; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:08:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALk2O-0008IR-1C for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:07:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12097 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALk2M-0006xJ-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:07:30 -0500 Received: from [203.197.140.35] (helo=fsnt.future.futsoft.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALk2K-0006wl-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:07:29 -0500 Received: from kailash.future.futsoft.com (unverified [203.197.140.36]) by fsnt.future.futsoft.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.6) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:31:56 +0530 Received: from sakthivss (sakthivss.future.futsoft.com [10.6.4.130]) by kailash.future.futsoft.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id hAHDth320155 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:25:43 +0530 Reply-To: From: "Sakthivadivu.S.S" To: Subject: Route Targets from CE Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:28:51 +0530 Message-ID: <000d01c3ad12$eec350a0$8204060a@future.futsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20031114091701.73627.qmail@web25101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Section 4.3.1 of BGP/MPLS 2547.draft says that " If the PE and the CE are themselves BGP peers (see section 7), then the SP may allow the customer, within limits, to specify how its routes are to be distributed. The SP and the customer would need to agree in advance on the set of RTs which are allowed to be attached to the customer's VPN routes. The CE could then attach one or more of those RTs to each IP route which it distributes to the PE. This gives the customer the freedom to specify in real time, within agreed upon limits, its route distribution policies. If the CE is allowed to attach RTs to its routes, the PE MUST filter out all routes which contain RTs that the customer is not allowed to use. If the CE is not allowed to attach RTs to its routes, but does so anyway, the PE MUST remove the RT before converting the customer's route to a VPN- IPv4 route. " Can you please temm me how can SP and customer agrree for some Route Target's.? Is there any configuration of Route targets in PE and CE for this.? Regards, Sakthi *************************************************************************** This message is proprietary to Future Software Limited (FSL) and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. FSL accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information transmitted by this email including damage from virus. *************************************************************************** From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 17 15:39:22 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03881 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALq9H-0004br-VZ for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:39:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAHKd3b8017713 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:39:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALq9H-0004bc-Ra for l3vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:39:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03855 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALq9G-0005nh-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:39:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALq9G-0005ne-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:39:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALq9E-0004b1-Td; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:39:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALq8x-0004ad-UF for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:38:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03831 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALq8w-0005n5-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:38:42 -0500 Received: from web109.biz.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.219]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALq8v-0005n2-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <20031117203841.73230.qmail@web109.biz.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.251.97.195] by web109.biz.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:38:41 PST Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:38:41 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilder Subject: minutes from the nov-12-03 L3VPN meeting To: l3vpn@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Below are the minutes from the meeting in Minneapolis last week. Many thanks to Sue Hares for taking notes at the meeting. The presentation slides will appear in the proceedings. Rick, Ron, and Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- L3VPN Working Group Wed 11/12/03 9:00am - 10:00am Agenda: Agenda Bashing (5 minutes - chairs) Working Group Document Status (15 minutes -- Ross Callon) Charter: Ongoing/Future Work (15 minutes - Ron Bonica) MPLS over L2TP (15 minutes - mark Townsley) CE member authentication (20 minutes) 1) Document status (Ross Callon) L3 Framework IESG has approved for publication L3 Service req'ts IESG Review and/or update based on comments Security Framework Passed WG last call; Being updated based on security directorate comments BGP/MPLS IP VPNs and AS , Passed l3vpn working group last call Is currently in IDR working group last call VR Architecture and AS & Base document is ready for WG last call AS update expected soon after IETF Both should go to WG last call as soon as AS is ready CE/IPSec Architecture and AS & Recent update to address mailing list comments: Clarify CE operation in two distinct routing spaces and management spaces More description of tunnel establishment More description of Internet connectivity Awaiting update to AS Security considerations and template WG Last call expected soon Guidelines of Applicability Statements for PPVPNs Long term disposition is still tbd MPLS/BGP MIB Needs update & MIB Doctor review WG last call should occur relatively soon thereafter Virtual Router MIB same status as MPLS/BGP MIB CE MIB TBD (do we need a MIB? - question to be addressed on mail list) Req'ts for MPLS MIBs L3vpn issues have been resolved. Framework for PPVPN Op. & Man. Accepted as working group document at last IETF Comments to l3vpn mailing list Textual Conventions "Very Stable". 2547 for IPv6 Charter is being updated to include IPv6 PE-PE IPsec for 2547 PE-PE GRE or IP for 2547 BGP as Auto-Discovery All of above are stable, no significant recent updates CE-to-CE Member Verif'n and Possibility to reconcile the two approaches in a single document - see below. OSPF as PE/CE Protocol in BGP/MPLS VPNs Currently in WG last call Last call extended to 11/21/2003 (5pm EST) Related document in last call in the OSPF working group 2) Charter (Ron Bonica) We have made progress and are nearing completion of many of our original tasks (eg, Framework and Requirements Documents completed, Security Frameworks passed WG last call, BGP/MPLS base spec and AS passed l3vpn last call and are in IDR last call, ...). It is therefore a good time to think about future work. We propose updating the Charter for additional work items. We have proposed to the IESG an update which adds support for IPv6. As the current set of documents is completed, we will propose to also add charter support for Multicast. 3) MPLS over L2TPv3 with BGP L3VPNs (Mark Townsley) (see presentation) Proposal: Edit current contribution to include BGP signaling along with L2TP formats. Use this to create a new document which could become draft-ietf-l3vpn-l2tpv3-2547-00.txt (if accepted as a working group document). Note that this would be in addition to existing documents: draft-ietf-l3vnp-ipsec-2547-03.txt draft-ietf-l3vpn-gre-ip2547-00 Discussion: 1) Yakov: There were some comments in opposition to this when it was presented in MPLS. Security is an issue a) Security review is needed (by security directorate) b) Solution presented was not specific to L2TP. c) justification needed for not using L2TP signaling 2) Ross: Why do we need another encapsulation? We already have encapsulation over MPLS, GRE, and IPsec. Does this have an advantage that these other encapsulations don't? (response) There are already 4 encapsulations MPLS over MPLS MPLS over IPsec MPLS over GRE MPLS over IP (Eric Rosen) We already have many many different tunnel types in use in network. Service providers have preferences. We need a specification for each. Agreement, we should include the reasons why the choices are being made. Mark: The intention is to update the document before it would be a working group document. Ross: We can't accept a document as a working group document until we have the document. Can you send an outline to the mailing list with a description of what would be in the extended draft with the articulation of the issues? Mark: Yes, this makes sense. Agreement: Will be discussed on the list. 3) Reconciling the L3VPN authentication Drafts (also known as "Singing Kumbaya"), M Behringer, M. Bonica We currently have two drafts related to authentication (one a working group document, one an individual contribution): 1) Draft-ietf-l3vpn-l3vpn-auth - provides the method through which the customers can detect SP misconfiguration - Does nothing to prevent misconfiguration - delegates authentication task to the CE - requires new functionality on the CE 2) Draft Behringer-mpls-vpn-auth - reduces the probabilty of SP misconfiguration - Does not allow customer to detect misconfiguration if it does occur - delegates the authentication task to the PE - requires nothing new on the CE We have two drafts. Option are: merge, let them both live, kill one. We propose to merge the drafts. Opportunity: 1) PE obtains the token from CE original draft: BGP extended community received from CE new protocol with CE Hashed authentication key from CE-PE routing protocol 2) PE distributes token throughout SP network 3) PE - Distribute to CE using BGP community or new protocol - User decides whether or not to authenticate Convergence: 1) Converge on a common mechanisms for distribution - Use a new BGP attribute 2) Add a third mechanism for obtaining token to draft-ietf-l3vpn-l3vpn-auth = Drive the token from the PE-CE MD5 key 3) Add a third application for the key at the egress PE - Use it to decide whether to install the route Discussion: (Ross Callon) Reasonable to update document. Comments on the list. (Ron Bonica) We would appreciate comments from Carrier's and Service providers. 4) Michael Beringer: He wants to know what the disposition will be of his document "Analysis of the Security of BGP/MPLS IP VPNs". He requests that people send comments on the draft to the mailing list. Ross: This makes sense. Please review the document to determine whether it should become a working group document with the intention of being published as Information. Send comments to the list. Requested that Michael send a message to the mail list requesting feedback on the beringer security draft. Michael agrees. From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 17 15:53:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04294 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALqMr-00058Q-MB for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:53:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAHKr58c019738 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:53:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALqMr-00058H-EC for l3vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:53:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04282 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALqMp-0005z4-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:53:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALqMp-0005z1-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:53:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALqMm-00057f-Mc; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:53:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALqM8-000577-UJ for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:52:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04258 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALqM7-0005yT-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:52:19 -0500 Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALqM6-0005xS-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:52:18 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.11.5/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hAHKowF99985; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:51:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hAHKort06973; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:50:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200311172050.hAHKort06973@merlot.juniper.net> To: Rick Wilder cc: l3vpn@ietf.org Subject: Re: minutes from the nov-12-03 L3VPN meeting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:38:41 PST." <20031117203841.73230.qmail@web109.biz.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <37138.1069102253.1@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:50:53 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Rick, > Below are the minutes from the meeting in Minneapolis last week. Many thanks > to Sue Hares for taking notes at the meeting. couple of corrections in-line... > 3) MPLS over L2TPv3 with BGP L3VPNs (Mark Townsley) > > (see presentation) > > Proposal: Edit current contribution to include BGP signaling along > with L2TP formats. Use this to create a new document which could > become draft-ietf-l3vpn-l2tpv3-2547-00.txt (if accepted as a working > group document). > > Note that this would be in addition to existing documents: > > draft-ietf-l3vnp-ipsec-2547-03.txt > draft-ietf-l3vpn-gre-ip2547-00 > > Discussion: > 1) Yakov: There were some comments in opposition to this when > it was presented in MPLS. Security is an issue > a) Security review is needed (by security directorate) > b) Solution presented was not specific to L2TP. What I said is that the solution is by no means specific to 2547 - it is applicable to any multipoint-to-point application. > c) justification needed for not using L2TP signaling What I said is that the document needs to explain why extending BGP for multipoint-to-point L2TP signaling is preferred to the existing L2TP signaling (or extending L2TP to provide multipoint-to-point signaling) ? Yakov. From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 17 16:02:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04603 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALqVX-0005RV-GT for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:02:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAHL23ix020915 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:02:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALqVX-0005RG-Ac for l3vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:02:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04582 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALqVV-00065F-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:02:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALqVV-00065C-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:02:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALqVV-0005Po-AK; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:02:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALqUo-0005P0-Hk for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:01:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04561 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALqUm-00064k-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:01:16 -0500 Received: from web108.biz.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.218]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALqUm-00064h-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:01:16 -0500 Message-ID: <20031117210115.26176.qmail@web108.biz.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.251.97.195] by web108.biz.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:01:15 PST Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:01:15 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilder Subject: Re: minutes from the nov-12-03 L3VPN meeting To: Yakov Rekhter , Rick Wilder Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <200311172050.hAHKort06973@merlot.juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Yakov, OK. I will make those updates for the proceedings. Rick --- Yakov Rekhter wrote: > Rick, > > > Below are the minutes from the meeting in Minneapolis last week. Many thanks > > to Sue Hares for taking notes at the meeting. > > couple of corrections in-line... > > > 3) MPLS over L2TPv3 with BGP L3VPNs (Mark Townsley) > > > > (see presentation) > > > > Proposal: Edit current contribution to include BGP signaling along > > with L2TP formats. Use this to create a new document which could > > become draft-ietf-l3vpn-l2tpv3-2547-00.txt (if accepted as a working > > group document). > > > > Note that this would be in addition to existing documents: > > > > draft-ietf-l3vnp-ipsec-2547-03.txt > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-gre-ip2547-00 > > > > Discussion: > > 1) Yakov: There were some comments in opposition to this when > > it was presented in MPLS. Security is an issue > > a) Security review is needed (by security directorate) > > b) Solution presented was not specific to L2TP. > > What I said is that the solution is by no means specific to 2547 - > it is applicable to any multipoint-to-point application. > > > c) justification needed for not using L2TP signaling > > What I said is that the document needs to explain why extending BGP > for multipoint-to-point L2TP signaling is preferred to the existing L2TP > signaling (or extending L2TP to provide multipoint-to-point signaling) ? > > Yakov. > From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 26 14:20:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22598 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AP5Cp-0002LQ-2X for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:20:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAQJK6rj009006 for l3vpn-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:20:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AP5Cn-0002LB-Vo for l3vpn-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:20:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22576 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AP5Cl-0003AO-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:20:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AP5Cl-0003AJ-00 for l3vpn-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:20:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AP5Cj-0002KL-Sh; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:20:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOjf8-0005Yf-He for l3vpn@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:19:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07319 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOjf7-0004pJ-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:19:53 -0500 Received: from gwnj8.utstar.com ([65.200.123.8] helo=lxmail.xebeo.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOjf6-0004oh-00 for l3vpn@ietf.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:19:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 15071 invoked by uid 404); 25 Nov 2003 20:19:23 -0000 Received: from rohit@utstar.com by lxmail by uid 401 with qmail-scanner-1.20rc1 (clamscan: 0.60. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:RC:1:. Processed in 0.390092 secs); 25 Nov 2003 20:19:23 -0000 Received: from bigbird.nj.us.utstar.com (172.16.36.21) by lxmail.nj.us.utstar.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 20:19:22 -0000 Received: from utstar.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bigbird.nj.us.utstar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18654; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:19:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200311252019.PAA18654@bigbird.nj.us.utstar.com> To: Mailing List , l3vpn@ietf.org cc: rcallon@juniper.net, erosen@CISCO.COM Subject: Re: Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ospf-2547-dnbit-01.txt to both lists In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:50:05 EST." <200310291850.NAA25555@bigbird.nj.us.utstar.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:19:22 -0500 From: Rohit Dube Sender: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: l3vpn-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , The last call for this draft has ended. Comments received on the list will be incorporated into the next rev., before it goes to the ADs for review. --rohit.