From l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 01 09:29:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMmGT-00067f-AY; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:28:13 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMmGR-00067V-8I for l3vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:28:11 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMmGP-0003YJ-UR for l3vpn@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:28:11 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Mar 2007 09:28:10 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,234,1170651600"; d="scan'208"; a="114716478:sNHT59720172" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l21ES9xb017225 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:28:09 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l21ERqVl028737 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from xmb-rtp-215.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.124]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:27:59 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:27:57 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-sdry-bmwg-mvpnscale-01.txt thread-index: AcdblCKfk8rzZJeJTdmwPUl99Xy2tQAeJ2igAAA9FUA= From: "Silvija Andrijic Dry \(sdry\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2007 14:27:59.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[D01A4020:01C75C0D] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2829; t=1172759289; x=1173623289; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=sdry@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Silvija=20Andrijic=20Dry=20\(sdry\)=22=20 |Subject:=20FW=3A=20I-D=20ACTION=3Adraft-sdry-bmwg-mvpnscale-01.txt=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20; bh=FC7gR2Lumt3OTTusHGLtqdFvN4KhSRcMbq46mI3I3Kw=; b=ZmvYAcuuRp7iLwdf0IrOH9CRSDcytW5jLFhw+Oi54gD+cqV233VEbx5MOPSqynQRebMB+K/K C7kFNVERQmKoHkZp/bW0eeriLE78I15vdS+ldfLOhHepS2Ok+4FHBw7d; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=sdry@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac Subject: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-sdry-bmwg-mvpnscale-01.txt X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: l3vpn.ietf.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org =20 Hi L3VPN WG members, We would like to make you aware that new version of MVPN Scalability Benchamrking draft is available and we would appreciate your feedback. Please try to remember to cc bmwg@ietf.org on your responses. Thanks, Authors -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:50 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-sdry-bmwg-mvpnscale-01.txt=20 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Multicast VPN Scalability Benchmarking Author(s) : S. Dry, et al. Filename : draft-sdry-bmwg-mvpnscale-01.txt Pages : 58 Date : 2007-2-28 =09 Multicast VPN (MVPN) is a service deployed by VPN service providers=20 to enable their customers to use IP multicast applications over VPNs. With the increased popularity the scalability of deploying such a=20 service is becoming of a great interest. This document defines=20 standard metric and test methodology for characterizing and comparing control plane MVPN scalability of Provider Edge (PE) devices that=20 implement MVPN service. 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From l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 02 15:51:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNEhu-00017k-U8; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:50:26 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNEhY-0000S4-K1; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:50:04 -0500 Received: from ns1.neustar.com ([2001:503:c779:1a::9c9a:108a]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNEhX-0001RD-PR; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:50:04 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns1.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D53426F10; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:50:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HNEhX-0002XG-2f; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:50:03 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:50:03 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast-bgp-02.txt X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: l3vpn.ietf.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGP Encodings and Procedures for Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs Author(s) : R. Aggarwal, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast-bgp-02.txt Pages : 48 Date : 2007-3-2 This document describes the BGP encodings and procedures for exchanging the information elements required by Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs, as specified in [MVPN]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast-bgp-02.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-3-2131345.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast-bgp-02.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast-bgp-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-3-2131345.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 23 13:47:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUnow-00065n-Jn; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:44:58 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUnov-00065h-1I for l3vpn@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:44:57 -0400 Received: from borg.juniper.net ([207.17.137.119]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUnot-00026Y-PU for l3vpn@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:44:57 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO proton.jnpr.net) ([10.10.2.37]) by borg.juniper.net with ESMTP; 23 Mar 2007 10:44:55 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,320,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="695481963:sNHT29645088" Received: from [172.23.1.125] ([172.23.1.125] RDNS failed) by proton.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:44:54 -0400 Message-ID: <46041210.6030101@juniper.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:44:48 -0400 From: Ron Bonica User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2007 17:44:54.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7389B90:01C76D72] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: Recharter X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: l3vpn.ietf.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org Folks, We are considering an update to the L3VPN WG charter. In the new charter, VPN Multicast will remain high on our list of work items. So far, the only request for a new work item has been "MPLS services delivered over L3VPN infrastructure". (See draft-kumaki-l3vpn-e2e-rsvp-te-reqs). Would anyone else like to recommend work items for inclusion in the charter? Ron and Rick From l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 23 18:59:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUsfO-0008Gp-J7; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:55:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUsfN-0008Gk-9G for l3vpn@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:55:25 -0400 Received: from cat.tcb.net ([64.78.150.134] helo=dog.tcb.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUsfI-0004EZ-TY for l3vpn@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:55:25 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dog.tcb.net [64.78.150.133]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1E664355; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:55:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <46045AD5.1090609@castlepoint.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:55:17 +0100 From: Shane Amante User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Bonica References: <46041210.6030101@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <46041210.6030101@juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org Subject: Re: Recharter X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: l3vpn.ietf.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org Hi Ron, Ron Bonica wrote: > Folks, > > We are considering an update to the L3VPN WG charter. In the new > charter, VPN Multicast will remain high on our list of work items. So > far, the only request for a new work item has been "MPLS services > delivered over L3VPN infrastructure". (See > draft-kumaki-l3vpn-e2e-rsvp-te-reqs). > > Would anyone else like to recommend work items for inclusion in the charter? I agree VPN multicast should be a high priority for the WG. In addition, I would also recommend that the WG look at solving for two additional things: 1) iBGP PE-CE http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-marques-l3vpn-ibgp-01.txt At a minimum, we should look at publishing this as an Informational Draft -- since, to my knowledge, there is at least 1 major implementation that does this today. Note, I don't think we need to put this in the charter if it's just going as Informational, unless it has a significant affect on many other drafts & RFC's ... so, perhaps this is just a small "todo" item. 2) "Layer-3 Import/Export Verification". According to the archives, there appears to be at least 3 different WG drafts: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-auth-00 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-l3vpn-auth-01 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-vpn-verification-00 ... although, it appears as if the first two are the same draft, just with a title change. Regardless, all three drafts have expired over the course of the last 2-4 years. I realize there is also work occurring in tcpm, sidr, and, perhaps, others to secure various elements of BGP (key rollover, securing path update messages, etc.). However, its not clear what is the time horizon to complete that work, and more importantly whether they have adequate reqmt's to: a) deliver 'lightweight' solutions for IPVPN's; and, b) will be able to adequately accomodate some properties unique to IPVPN's that aren't applicable to the general Internet, (e.g.: AS_OVERRIDE). In summary, I would propose we do two things for this one: 1) Complete the work on at least one of the outstanding l3vpn vpn verification drafts; and, 2) Look at specifying reqmt's for sidr, or other relevant WG's, to accomodate reqmt's unique to L3VPN's to secure the control plane. -shane From l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 24 03:04:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HV0En-0006LW-PR; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:00:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HV0Em-0006LN-At for l3vpn@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:00:28 -0400 Received: from ns.ft.solteria.net ([210.142.173.164]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HV0Ek-0006bI-QK for l3vpn@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:00:28 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.ft.solteria.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D56C38712; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:00:44 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4604CC7A.9020107@ft.solteria.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:00:10 +0900 From: "S.Matsushima" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Bonica References: <46041210.6030101@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <46041210.6030101@juniper.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040305000804080804030506" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8fbbaa16f9fd29df280814cb95ae2290 Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org Subject: Re: Recharter X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: l3vpn.ietf.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040305000804080804030506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron Bonica wrote: > Folks, > > We are considering an update to the L3VPN WG charter. In the new > charter, VPN Multicast will remain high on our list of work items. So > far, the only request for a new work item has been "MPLS services > delivered over L3VPN infrastructure". 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