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From: Kalyankumar S Asangi <kalyana@huawei.com>
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Hi ,

I have question related to CE multihoming in the following scenario

1. CE1 is multi homed to PE1 and PE2 and sends the route 10.10.0.0/16 to both PE1 and PE2
2. PE1 select this route as best route and send it to PE3 as VPNv4 with RD 1:1 and ERT 11:11
3. PE2 also select this route as best route and send it to PE3 as VPNv4 with RD 2:2 and ERT 22:22
4. PE3 has VRF1 connected to CE2 with IRT 11:11 and 22:22 and OSPF is running between PE3 and CE2 
5. Now PE3 receives the two VPNv4 routes for prefix 10.10.0.0./16 from two sources with two different RD, 
   Which route PE3 BGP will choose and download to VRF1 ? 
6. Should BGP compare these two routes even if they come with two different RDs and download one route to VRF
   or download both routes to VRF as they come with two different RDs ?

Regards,
Kalyan

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi ,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have question related to CE multihoming in the 
following scenario</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. CE1 is multi homed to PE1 and PE2 and sends the 
route 10.10.0.0/16 to both PE1 and PE2<BR>2. PE1 select this route as best route 
and send it to PE3 as VPNv4 with RD 1:1 and ERT 11:11<BR>3. PE2 also select this 
route as best route and send it to PE3 as VPNv4 with RD 2:2 and ERT 22:22<BR>4. 
PE3 has VRF1 connected to CE2 with IRT 11:11 and 22:22 and OSPF is running 
between PE3 and CE2 <BR>5. Now PE3 receives the two VPNv4 routes for prefix 
10.10.0.0./16 from two sources with two different RD,&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Which route PE3 BGP will choose and download to VRF1 ? <BR>6. Should BGP compare 
these two routes even if they come with two different RDs and download one route 
to VRF<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; or download both routes to VRF as they come with two 
different RDs ?</FONT></DIV>
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But as per RFC 4364 section 4.3, it is the decision process of protocol running between PE and CE

" At these other PEs, BGP will again choose the
   best route for a particular VPN-IP4 address prefix.  Then the chosen
   VPN-IP4 routes are converted back into IP routes, and "imported" into
   one or more VRFs.  Whether they are actually installed in the VRFs
   depends on the decision process of the routing method used between
   the PE and those CEs that are associated with the VRF in question.
   Finally, any route installed in a VRF may be distributed to the
   associated CE routers"

Regards,
Kalyan
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: RAUT Devendra 
  To: Kalyankumar S Asangi ; l3vpn@ietf.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:31 AM
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  Yes, BGP should compare these routes. Once RD is stripped and route is candidate for import into a VRF, the routes are 
  like any other BGP routes with attributes and should be compared.

  -Deven



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  Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:58 PM
  To: l3vpn@ietf.org
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  Hi ,

  I have question related to CE multihoming in the following scenario

  1. CE1 is multi homed to PE1 and PE2 and sends the route 10.10.0.0/16 to both PE1 and PE2
  2. PE1 select this route as best route and send it to PE3 as VPNv4 with RD 1:1 and ERT 11:11
  3. PE2 also select this route as best route and send it to PE3 as VPNv4 with RD 2:2 and ERT 22:22
  4. PE3 has VRF1 connected to CE2 with IRT 11:11 and 22:22 and OSPF is running between PE3 and CE2 
  5. Now PE3 receives the two VPNv4 routes for prefix 10.10.0.0./16 from two sources with two different RD, 
     Which route PE3 BGP will choose and download to VRF1 ? 
  6. Should BGP compare these two routes even if they come with two different RDs and download one route to VRF
     or download both routes to VRF as they come with two different RDs ?

  Regards,
  Kalyan

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But as per RFC 4364 section 4.3, it is the decision 
process of protocol running between PE and CE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>" At these other PEs, BGP will again choose 
the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; best route for a particular VPN-IP4 address prefix.&nbsp; 
Then the chosen<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; VPN-IP4 routes are converted back into IP 
routes, and "imported" into<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; one or more VRFs.&nbsp; Whether they 
are actually installed in the VRFs<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; depends on the decision 
process of the routing method used between<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; the PE and those CEs 
that are associated with the VRF in question.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Finally, any route 
installed in a VRF may be distributed to the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; associated CE 
routers"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kalyan</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr 
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=Devendra.Raut@alcatel-lucent.com 
  href="mailto:Devendra.Raut@alcatel-lucent.com">RAUT Devendra</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kalyana@huawei.com 
  href="mailto:kalyana@huawei.com">Kalyankumar S Asangi</A> ; <A 
  title=l3vpn@ietf.org href="mailto:l3vpn@ietf.org">l3vpn@ietf.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 06, 2007 10:31 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: L3VPN : CE Multihoming 
  Question</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=028032702-06042007><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Yes, BGP should compare these routes. Once RD&nbsp;is 
  stripped and route is candidate for import into a VRF,&nbsp;the 
  routes&nbsp;are&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=028032702-06042007><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>like any other BGP routes with attributes and should be 
  compared.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=028032702-06042007><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=028032702-06042007><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>-Deven</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
  <HR tabIndex=-1>
  <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Kalyankumar S Asangi 
  [mailto:kalyana@huawei.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:58 
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:l3vpn@ietf.org">l3vpn@ietf.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> L3VPN : CE 
  Multihoming Question<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi ,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have question related to CE multihoming in the 
  following scenario</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. CE1 is multi homed to PE1 and PE2 and sends 
  the route 10.10.0.0/16 to both PE1 and PE2<BR>2. PE1 select this route as best 
  route and send it to PE3 as VPNv4 with RD 1:1 and ERT 11:11<BR>3. PE2 also 
  select this route as best route and send it to PE3 as VPNv4 with RD 2:2 and 
  ERT 22:22<BR>4. PE3 has VRF1 connected to CE2 with IRT 11:11 and 22:22 and 
  OSPF is running between PE3 and CE2 <BR>5. Now PE3 receives the two VPNv4 
  routes for prefix 10.10.0.0./16 from two sources with two different 
  RD,&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Which route PE3 BGP will choose and download to VRF1 
  ? <BR>6. Should BGP compare these two routes even if they come with two 
  different RDs and download one route to VRF<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; or download both 
  routes to VRF as they come with two different RDs ?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial 
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 4834

        Title:      Requirements for Multicast in Layer 
                    3 Provider-Provisioned Virtual Private Networks 
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        Author:     T. Morin, Ed.
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This document presents a set of functional requirements for network
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Folks,

Rick and I apologize for being late with minutes. Minutes for IETF 68
L3VPN follow:



L3VPN Working Group Meeting, IETF 68, Prague, Czech Republic


Co-chairs: Ron Bonica, Rick Wilder


Document status:


For quite a while, several working group drafts have needed revisions in
order to progress. The following documents therefore need an ETA for
an updated draft within a month to avoid being dropped:



 - draft-ietf-l3vpn-ce-based
 - draft-ietf-l3vpn-vpn-vr
 - draft-ietf-l3vpn-vr-mib
 - draft-declercq-l3vpn-ce-based-as
 - draft-ietf-l3vpn-as-vr
 - draft-ietf-l3vpn-bgpvpn-auto



Working Group charter:

The Charter is in need of an update. Multicast VPN work is by far the
most prominent item of work, but MPLS service delivery over L3VPN is
being considered. The work load for the group also makes the adoption of
other work items possible, so input is solicited for additions to the WG
charter. Detailed discussion of the charter will not be taken up at this
meeting due to time constraints.


Delivery of MPLS Services Over L3VPN

Kenji Kumaki requested that Requirements for delivering MPLS Services
over L3VPN - draft-kumaki-l3vpn-e2e-rsvp-te-reqs-03 be adopted as an
L3VPN working group draft. The issue of whether draft should be a
working group doc will be taken up after the WG charter is updated.


Considerations about Multicast BGP/MPLS Standardization - T. Morin

draft-morin-l3vpn-mvpn-considerations


The document outlines building blocks for monitoring MVPN
infrastructure. (see slides) BGP-based and PIM-based autodiscovery is
considered and scalability analyzed.

Discussion of the document on the email list is needed to determine
consensus on adopting the draft as a working group document.


Multicast MPLS/BGP Vans Revisited - M. Napier

draft-mnapierala-mvpn-rev-00

Additional multicast capabilities required by customer applications are
outlined and recommended for inclusion into MVPNs. (see slides)
Discussion on the WG email list is solicited.





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This draft is a work item of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Using BGP as an Auto-Discovery Mechanism for VR-based Layer-3 VPNs
	Author(s)	: H. Ould-Brahim, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-l3vpn-bgpvpn-auto-09.txt
	Pages		: 12
	Date		: 2007-4-25
	
In any provider-based VPN scheme, the Provider Edge (PE) devices 
   attached to a common VPN must exchange certain information as a 
   prerequisite to establish VPN-specific connectivity. The main 
   purpose of an auto-discovery mechanism is to enable a PE to 
   dynamically discover the set of remote PEs having VPN members in 
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