From nobody Thu Jan 2 10:17:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01D0120090; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 10:17:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: lsr-chairs@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, acee@cisco.com, lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.115.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157798902168.6370.14238987822052899251.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 10:17:01 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] lsr - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 107 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 18:17:02 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Acee Lindem, a Chair of the lsr working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Link State Routing Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Acee Lindem Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: ipsecme idr rtgwg lsvr Technology Overlap: rift spring Key Participant Conflict: bfd bess People who must be present: Acee Lindem Christian Hopps Alvaro Retana Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Jan 2 11:07:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6039B120113; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 11:06:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1VzdDP-RtHgA; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 11:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C0012011B; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 11:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from stubbs.int.chopps.org (047-050-069-038.biz.spectrum.com [47.50.69.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5900360923; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 19:06:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Hopps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.40.2.2.4\)) Message-Id: <4CBA5DF1-E8E2-4370-9602-871FADAB1F9A@chopps.org> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 14:06:55 -0500 Cc: Christian Hopps , lsr-ads@ietf.org, Antoni Przygienda To: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 19:06:58 -0000 This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Jan 16th, 2020, for = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv/ Tony P (other authors already responded during the adoption poll), = please indicate your knowledge of any IPR related to this work to the = list as well. 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The impetus for writing the draft was a real world interoperability problem= - so there should be no debate about whether the draft is needed. All parties involved in the problem have actively participated in writing t= he draft - so I think we can be confident that we have appropriately addres= sed the related issues. 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Thanks, Paul On 1/2/20 2:06 PM, Christian Hopps wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Jan 16th, 2020, for > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv/ > > Tony P (other authors already responded during the adoption poll), please > indicate your knowledge of any IPR related to this work to the list as > well. > > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Thu Jan 2 11:41:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D278E1200D6; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 11:41:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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What will be the consequence when not all of the routers within the IGP domain support the same RFC? Will it valuable to add more clarification for the above incompatible scenario, instead of saying "... ... therefore can only be safely = enabled when all nodes support the extensions"? Best Regards. 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After the holiday, let=A1=AFs begin the = discussion. Your understanding for generating the PUA(Prefix Unreachable = Announcement) is correct, but the process for stop the PUA is not the way that we proposed. In theory, the ABR will send the PUA once when it notices the specific prefix is unreachable.=20 When the other router receives the PUA, it will generate one black hole route, and this black hole route will be kept for a short = time(configurable) to facilitate the service convergence that depends on this failed = prefix. The PUA will be generated and announced by the ABR only on the following circumstances: 1. The ABR do the summary work 2. The failed prefix located within the summary route range. 3. The numbered of the failed prefixes not exceed the MAA(MAX_Address_Announcement) as defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement= -01 #section-6 =20 More implementation consideration can be found on the above section. We are also appreciate to get more feedbacks for the current = implementation consideration. =20 More specific answers are also presented inline below. =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] = =B4=FA=B1=ED Huaimo Chen =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2019=C4=EA12=D4=C220=C8=D5 22:50 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Aijun Wang; lsr@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Lsr] Questions on Prefix Unreachable Announcement =20 Hi Aijun, =20 My understanding of your draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annouc= eme nt/ as follows:=20 After the ABR originates the Extended Prefix Opaque LSA, which = contains a prefix and its originator (i.e., the router originating the prefix), = it will announce that the prefix is unreachable when it can not reach the prefix (i.e., the prefix becomes unreachable from reachable from the = ABR's perspective).=20 Is my understanding right? [Aijun Wang]: Yes =20 Should the ABR remove the prefix from the Extended Prefix Opaque LSA = after it announces the prefix unreachable for a give period of time? [Aijun Wang]: In theory, the ABR will only announce once when it notices the disappear of the specific prefix. =20 After a router in another area receives the unreachable announcement of = the prefix, it installs a black hole route to the prefix, and then removes = the black hole route after a configurable time. After the black hole route derived from the unreachable announcement of the prefix is removed, it = seems better to remove the unreachable prefix from the LSA.=20 [Aijun Wang]: the PUA will not be announced continuously. Can the ABR just remove the prefix (i.e., the TLV for the prefix) = from the Extended Prefix Opaque LSA when it can not reach the prefix?=20 [Aijun Wang]: When the ABR do the summary work, it will not announce = the detailed prefixes that located within the summary route range. Then the unreachable prefixes located in the summary range should be announced explicitly. =20 Best Regards, Huaimo ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01D5C224.B420FE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Huaimo:

 

Thanks for your review.  After the holiday, let=A1=AFs begin the = discussion.

Your understanding for generating the PUA(Prefix Unreachable = Announcement) is correct, but the process for stop the PUA is not the = way that we proposed.

In theory, the ABR will send the PUA once when it notices the = specific prefix is unreachable.

When the other router receives the PUA, it will generate one black = hole route, and this black hole route will be kept for a short = time(configurable) to facilitate the service convergence that depends on = this failed prefix.

The PUA will be generated and announced by the ABR only on the = following circumstances:

1. The ABR do the summary work

2. The failed prefix located within the summary route = range.

3. The numbered of the failed prefixes not exceed the = MAA(MAX_Address_Announcement) as defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-= unreachable-annoucement-01#section-6

 

More implementation consideration can be found on the above = section.

We are also appreciate to get more feedbacks for the current = implementation consideration.

 

More specific answers are also presented inline = below.

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: = lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Huaimo = Chen
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC= =E4: 2019=C4=EA12=D4=C220=C8=D5 22:50
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Aijun Wang; = lsr@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Lsr] Questions on Prefix = Unreachable Announcement

 

Hi = Aijun,

 

    = My understanding of your draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-u= nreachable-annoucement/ as = follows: 

    = After the ABR originates the Extended Prefix Opaque LSA, which contains = a prefix and its originator (i.e., the router originating the prefix), = it will announce that the prefix is unreachable when it can not reach = the prefix (i.e., the prefix becomes unreachable from reachable from the = ABR's perspective). 

    =  Is my understanding right?

       [Aijun Wang]: = Yes

 

Should the ABR = remove the prefix from the Extended Prefix Opaque LSA after = it announces the prefix unreachable for a give period of = time?

      [Aijun Wang]: In theory, the ABR will = only announce once when it notices the disappear of the specific = prefix.

 

After a router = in another area receives the unreachable announcement of the prefix, it = installs a black hole route to the prefix, and then removes the black = hole route after a configurable time. After the black hole route derived = from the unreachable announcement of = the prefix is removed, it seems better to remove the unreachable prefix = from the LSA. 

    [Aijun Wang]: the PUA will not be announced = continuously.

     Can the ABR just remove the prefix (i.e., the TLV = for the prefix) from the Extended Prefix Opaque LSA = when it can not reach the prefix? 

  =   [Aijun Wang]: = When the ABR do the summary work, it will not announce the detailed = prefixes that located within the summary route range. Then the = unreachable prefixes located in the summary range should be announced = explicitly.

 

Best = Regards,

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more useful to include the description that you provide = for its completeness? Knowing the possible consequences may drive the = operators to consider more carefully for their updating deployment. =20 Anyway, I support this draft. =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) = [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 = 13:29 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; 'Christian Hopps'; lsr@ietf.org =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni Przygienda' =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv =20 Aijun - =20 Since advertising some sort of capability would also be unusable until = all routers were upgraded to understand the new capability advertisement = this does not help. =F0=9F=98=8A =20 The consequences of enabling a form of authentication which is not = supported by all nodes is an inconsistent LSPDB - which means protocol = function is broken. =20 I would also point out that the incompatibilities are discussed in the = original specifications (RFC 5304 and RFC 6232) - both of which have = been published for a number of years. The points being made in this = regard in this draft aren't new. =20 Les =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Aijun Wang > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2020 6:31 PM > To: 'Christian Hopps' ; lsr@ietf.org > Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni Przygienda' > Subject: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv >=20 > Is there any method to indicate or negotiate the support of > ISO10589/RFC5304/RFC6233 because they are not back compatible? > What will be the consequence when not all of the routers within the = IGP > domain support the same RFC? > Will it valuable to add more clarification for the above incompatible > scenario, instead of saying "... ... therefore can only be safely = enabled > when all nodes support the extensions"? >=20 >=20 > Best Regards. >=20 > Aijun Wang > China Telecom >=20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: = lsr-bounces@ietf.org [ = mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Christian > Hopps > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 3:07 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr@ietf.org > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: lsr-ads@ietf.org; = Christian Hopps; Antoni Przygienda > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv >=20 > This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Jan 16th, 2020, for > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv. >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv/ >=20 > Tony P (other authors already responded during the adoption poll), = please > indicate your knowledge of any IPR related to this work to the list as = well. >=20 > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01D5C478.A9F40980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, = Les:

 

Since this draft is the main = entry for the management of invalid tlv in isis, will it be more useful = to include the description that you provide for its completeness?=C2=A0 = Knowing the possible consequences may drive the operators to consider = more carefully for their updating deployment.

 

Anyway, I support this = draft.

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun = Wang

China = Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 13:29
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; 'Christian = Hopps'; lsr@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni = Przygienda'
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: [Lsr] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

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Aijun -

 

Since advertising some sort of = capability would also be unusable until all routers were upgraded to = understand the new capability advertisement this does not help. = 😊

 

The consequences of enabling a form of authentication which = is not supported by all nodes is an inconsistent LSPDB - which means = protocol function is broken.

 

I would also point out that the = incompatibilities are discussed in the original specifications (RFC 5304 = and RFC 6232) - both of which have been published for a number of years. = The points being made in this regard in this draft aren't = new.

 

   Les

 

> -----Original = Message-----

> From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Aijun Wang

> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2020 6:31 = PM

> = To: 'Christian Hopps' <chopps@chopps.org>; lsr@ietf.org

> Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni = Przygienda' <prz@juniper.net>=

> Subject: [Lsr] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

>

> Is there any method to = indicate or negotiate the support of

> ISO10589/RFC5304/RFC6233 = because they are not back compatible?

> What will be the = consequence when not all of the routers within the = IGP

> = domain support the same RFC?

> Will it valuable to add = more clarification for the above incompatible

> scenario, instead of saying = "... ... therefore can only be safely = enabled

> when all nodes support the = extensions"?

>

>

> Best Regards.

>

> Aijun = Wang

> China Telecom

>

> -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----

> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.o= rg] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 = Christian

> Hopps

> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 3:07

> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr@ietf.org

> = =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps; Antoni Przygienda

> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Lsr] WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

>

> This begins a 2 week WG = Last Call, ending after Jan 16th, 2020, for

> = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv.

>

>   https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv/

=

>

> Tony P (other authors = already responded during the adoption poll), = please

> indicate your knowledge of any IPR related to this = work to the list as well.

>

> = Thanks,

> Chris & Acee.

>

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"'Les Ginsberg \(ginsberg\)'" , "'Christian Hopps'" , Cc: , "'Antoni Przygienda'" References: <4CBA5DF1-E8E2-4370-9602-871FADAB1F9A@chopps.org> <004901d5c1dd$d2fda8b0$78f8fa10$@org.cn> <00dc01d5c435$9bd0c980$d3725c80$@org.cn> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:20:11 +0800 Message-ID: <00f701d5c440$34a2e760$9de8b620$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F8_01D5C483.42C62760" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHVwd3rlkDRleqSsEC/0E5m/IjAE6fYZZcggAR6m/CAABFu0IAAB8iQ Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZVkpVT0tDS0tKSEtITUxJTEJZV1koWU FKTEtLSjdXWS1ZQUlXWQkOFx4IWUFZNTQpNjo3JCkuNz5ZBg++ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6MzI6Hio6KTg6ExotDCxIHCgu QysaCjpVSlVKTkxDSUNLQ0pMTEtLVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWVdZCAFZQUlCQk5MNwY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a6f78ddfce59373kuws908e76638eb Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAg562U5aSNOiAgV0cgTGFzdCBDYWxsIGRyYWZ0?= =?utf-8?q?-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:20:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01D5C483.42C62760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Les: =20 The questions is raised actually by the current description in section = 3.2. =20 It describes the incompatible issues among different RFCs, but no = promising solution (maybe there is none), also not emphasizing the = consequence for the incompatible deployments (may exist in other = document). Anyway, I knew the answers. Put it into the document may be more helpful = for others. =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom=20 =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) = [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 = 10:42 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; 'Christian Hopps'; lsr@ietf.org =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni Przygienda' =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv =20 Aijun =E2=80=93 =20 Please read Section 3.2 of the draft which discusses these issues. Thanx. =20 Les =20 From: Aijun Wang =20 Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 6:04 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; 'Christian Hopps' = ; lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni Przygienda' Subject: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv =20 Hi, Les: =20 Since this draft is the main entry for the management of invalid tlv in = isis, will it be more useful to include the description that you provide = for its completeness? Knowing the possible consequences may drive the = operators to consider more carefully for their updating deployment. =20 Anyway, I support this draft. =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) = [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 = 13:29 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; 'Christian Hopps'; lsr@ietf.org =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni Przygienda' =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv =20 Aijun - =20 Since advertising some sort of capability would also be unusable until = all routers were upgraded to understand the new capability advertisement = this does not help. =F0=9F=98=8A =20 The consequences of enabling a form of authentication which is not = supported by all nodes is an inconsistent LSPDB - which means protocol = function is broken. =20 I would also point out that the incompatibilities are discussed in the = original specifications (RFC 5304 and RFC 6232) - both of which have = been published for a number of years. The points being made in this = regard in this draft aren't new. =20 Les =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Aijun Wang > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2020 6:31 PM > To: 'Christian Hopps' ; lsr@ietf.org > Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni Przygienda' > Subject: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv >=20 > Is there any method to indicate or negotiate the support of > ISO10589/RFC5304/RFC6233 because they are not back compatible? > What will be the consequence when not all of the routers within the = IGP > domain support the same RFC? > Will it valuable to add more clarification for the above incompatible > scenario, instead of saying "... ... therefore can only be safely = enabled > when all nodes support the extensions"? >=20 >=20 > Best Regards. >=20 > Aijun Wang > China Telecom >=20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: = lsr-bounces@ietf.org [ = mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Christian > Hopps > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 3:07 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr@ietf.org > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: lsr-ads@ietf.org; = Christian Hopps; Antoni Przygienda > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv >=20 > This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Jan 16th, 2020, for > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv. >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv/ >=20 > Tony P (other authors already responded during the adoption poll), = please > indicate your knowledge of any IPR related to this work to the list as = well. >=20 > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01D5C483.42C62760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, = Les:

 

The questions is raised = actually by the current description in section 3.2.=C2=A0 =

It describes the incompatible = issues among different RFCs, but no promising solution (maybe there is = none), also not emphasizing the consequence for the incompatible = deployments (may exist in other document).

Anyway, I knew the answers. Put = it into the document may be more helpful for = others.

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun = Wang

China = Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 10:42
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; 'Christian = Hopps'; lsr@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni = Przygienda'
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: [Lsr] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

Aijun = =E2=80=93

 

Please read Section 3.2 of the draft which discusses these = issues.

Thanx.

 

   Les

 

From: Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn&g= t;
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 6:04 PM
To: Les = Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; = 'Christian Hopps' <chopps@chopps.org>; lsr@ietf.org
Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni = Przygienda' <prz@juniper.net>
Subject: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [Lsr] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

 

Hi, = Les:

 

Since this draft is the main = entry for the management of invalid tlv in isis, will it be more useful = to include the description that you provide for its completeness?  = Knowing the possible consequences may drive the operators to consider = more carefully for their updating deployment.

 

Anyway, I support this = draft.

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun = Wang

China = Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com] =
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 13:29
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; 'Christian = Hopps'; lsr@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80= =81: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni = Przygienda'
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: [Lsr] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

Aijun -

 

Since advertising some sort of = capability would also be unusable until all routers were upgraded to = understand the new capability advertisement this does not help. = 😊

 

The consequences of enabling a form of authentication which = is not supported by all nodes is an inconsistent LSPDB - which means = protocol function is broken.

 

I would also point out that the = incompatibilities are discussed in the original specifications (RFC 5304 = and RFC 6232) - both of which have been published for a number of years. = The points being made in this regard in this draft aren't = new.

 

   Les

 

> -----Original = Message-----

> From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Aijun Wang

> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2020 6:31 = PM

> = To: 'Christian Hopps' <chopps@chopps.org>; lsr@ietf.org

> Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; 'Antoni = Przygienda' <prz@juniper.net>=

> Subject: [Lsr] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

>

> Is there any method to = indicate or negotiate the support of

> ISO10589/RFC5304/RFC6233 = because they are not back compatible?

> What will be the = consequence when not all of the routers within the = IGP

> = domain support the same RFC?

> Will it valuable to add = more clarification for the above incompatible

> scenario, instead of saying = "... ... therefore can only be safely = enabled

> when all nodes support the = extensions"?

>

>

> Best Regards.

>

> Aijun = Wang

> China Telecom

>

> -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----

> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.o= rg] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 = Christian

> Hopps

> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 3:07

> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr@ietf.org

> = =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps; Antoni Przygienda

> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Lsr] WG Last Call = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

>

> This begins a 2 week WG = Last Call, ending after Jan 16th, 2020, for

> = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv.

>

>   https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv/

=

>

> Tony P (other authors = already responded during the adoption poll), = please

> indicate your knowledge of any IPR related to this = work to the list as well.

>

> = Thanks,

> Chris & Acee.

>

> = _______________________________________________

> Lsr mailing = list

> Lsr@ietf.org

> https://www.ietf.org/mail= man/listinfo/lsr

>

> = _______________________________________________

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------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01D5C483.42C62760-- From nobody Sun Jan 5 20:03:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D170120013 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 20:03:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HRHZ5GUpiiah for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 20:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (m176115.mail.qiye.163.com [59.111.176.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F379120098 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 20:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id 5829B663840 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:02:49 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:02:48 +0800 Message-ID: <010801d5c446$29131950$7b394bf0$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0109_01D5C489.37365950" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdXERihUo/c8ffymSLyjWA20ox97mQ== Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZTlVCTEhCQkJCTExKSkpDSVlXWShZQU pMS0tKN1dZLVlBSVdZCQ4XHghZQVk1NCk2OjckKS43PlkG X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6Mxg6MCo*UTg*KRoeEywCITA* ODYwFDRVSlVKTkxDSUNISExJTklKVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWVdZCAFZQU1KQkI3Bg++ X-HM-Tid: 0a6f790503b59373kuws5829b663840 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8? X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 04:03:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01D5C489.37365950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Tony, Les and Paul: As I read the draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-00, and notice the proposal to expand the reserved bits in "Circuit Type" to cover the level 1-8 in ISIS domain. Here I just want to know is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8 and occupy all the reserved bits in the PDU format? As compared with the OSPF format, there is one field to describe the "Link Type" (5 bits, currently define only four types). We want to use the reserved bits in current "Circuit Type" of ISIS PDU format to fulfill the similar tasks. Can this draft leave at least 2 reserved bits for this purpose? There are many ways to tackle the scale of networks, who will design their network in level 8 hierarchy? As I estimated, Level 4 may be the acceptable highest network hierarchy. Best Regards. Aijun Wang China Telecom ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01D5C489.37365950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Tony, = Les and Paul:

 

As I read the draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-= 00, and notice the proposal to expand the reserved bits in = “Circuit Type” to cover the level 1-8 in ISIS = domain.

Here I just want to know is it necessary to expand the = IS-IS level to 8 and occupy all the reserved bits in the PDU = format?

 

As compared with the OSPF format, there is one field to = describe the “Link Type” (5 bits, currently define only four = types). We want to use the reserved bits in current “Circuit = Type” of ISIS PDU format to fulfill the similar tasks. =

 

Can this draft leave at least 2 reserved bits for this = purpose? There are many ways to tackle the scale of networks, who will = design their network in level 8 hierarchy? As I estimated, Level 4 may = be the acceptable highest network hierarchy.

 

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

 

 

 

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X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 04:52:01 -0000 --_000_DM6PR11MB28424A0E87EBF51C2AFFD00AC13C0DM6PR11MB2842namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aijun - Regarding the number of levels, Tony responded to a similar comment several= months ago - please see https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/dKJBcU59= TNuY3rxgjd6iXIq6sYg > It seems not necessary to have 8 levels of hierarchies. 3 or at most 4 le= vels of hierarchies should be enough. IS-IS with 3 levels of hierarchies ma= y support a network with 1k*1k*1k nodes, which is about 10^9 =3D 1 billion = nodes. IS-IS with 4 levels of hierarchies may support a network with 1k*1k*= 1k*1k nodes, which is about 10^12 =3D 1 trillion nodes. This is correct. It's not absolutely necessary. However, as Robert mention= ed, it does give the network designer flexibility to create the hierarchy t= hat matches the needs of his network. The cost of the additional levels is= very small, given that we're considering adding any levels at all, so it s= eemed sensible to define all of the levels at once. "From an architectural point of view, if a number isn't obviously too large= , then it's probably too small." - Ross Callon Link type in OSPF is not at all the same thing as level in IS-IS - so I do = not find that analogy appropriate: >From https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2328 page 128 Link type Description Link ID __________________________________________________ 1 Point-to-point Neighbor Router ID link 2 Link to transit Interface address of network Designated Router 3 Link to stub IP network number network 4 Virtual link Neighbor Router ID Table 18: Link descriptions in the router-LSA. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Aijun Wang Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 8:03 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8? Hi, Tony, Les and Paul: As I read the draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extende= d-hierarchy-00, and notice the proposal to expand the reserved bits in "Cir= cuit Type" to cover the level 1-8 in ISIS domain. Here I just want to know is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8 and= occupy all the reserved bits in the PDU format? As compared with the OSPF format, there is one field to describe the "Link = Type" (5 bits, currently define only four types). We want to use the reserv= ed bits in current "Circuit Type" of ISIS PDU format to fulfill the similar= tasks. Can this draft leave at least 2 reserved bits for this purpose? There are m= any ways to tackle the scale of networks, who will design their network in = level 8 hierarchy? As I estimated, Level 4 may be the acceptable highest ne= twork hierarchy. Best Regards. Aijun Wang China Telecom --_000_DM6PR11MB28424A0E87EBF51C2AFFD00AC13C0DM6PR11MB2842namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Aijun –<= /o:p>

 

Regarding the numbe= r of levels, Tony responded to a similar comment several months ago –= please see https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/dKJBcU59TNuY3rxgjd6iXIq6sY= g

 

<snip>

> It seems not necessary to have 8 levels of hierarchies. 3 o= r at most 4 levels of hierarchies should be enough. IS-IS with 3 levels of = hierarchies may support a network with 1k*1k*1k nodes, which is about 10^9 =3D 1 billion nodes. IS-IS with 4 levels of hie= rarchies may support a network with 1k*1k*1k*1k nodes, which is about 10^12= =3D 1 trillion nodes.

 

 

This is correct.  It’s not absolutely necessary. Howe= ver, as Robert mentioned, it does give the network designer flexibility to = create the hierarchy that matches the needs of his network.  The cost of the additional levels is very small, given that= we’re considering adding any levels at all, so it seemed sensible to= define all of the levels at once.

 

“From an architectural point of view, if a number isn̵= 7;t obviously too large, then it’s probably too small.”  &= #8212; Ross Callon

 

<end snip>

 

Link type in OSPF i= s not at all the same thing as level in IS-IS – so I do not find that= analogy appropriate:

 

From https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2328 page 128

 

<snip>

Link type   Description     &= nbsp; Link ID

          &nbs= p;        ______________________________= ____________________

          &nbs= p;        1     = ;      Point-to-point    Neighbor R= outer ID

          &nbs= p;             =        link

          &nbs= p;        2     = ;      Link to transit   Interface addre= ss of

          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       network    &n= bsp;      Designated Router<= /p>

          &nbs= p;        3     = ;      Link to stub      = IP network number

          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       network

          &nbs= p;        4     = ;      Virtual link      = Neighbor Router ID

 

 

          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   Table 18: Link descriptions in the<= /p>

          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  router-LSA.

<end snip>

 

   Les

 

 

From: = Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Aijun Wang
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 8:03 PM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8?<= /o:p>

 =

Hi, Tony,= Les and Paul:

&nbs= p;

As I read= the draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-0= 0, and notice the proposal to expand the reserved bits in “Circui= t Type” to cover the level 1-8 in ISIS domain.

Here I ju= st want to know is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8 and occupy a= ll the reserved bits in the PDU format?

&nbs= p;

As compar= ed with the OSPF format, there is one field to describe the “Link Typ= e” (5 bits, currently define only four types). We want to use the res= erved bits in current “Circuit Type” of ISIS PDU format to fulfill the similar tasks.

&nbs= p;

Can this = draft leave at least 2 reserved bits for this purpose? There are many ways = to tackle the scale of networks, who will design their network in level 8 h= ierarchy? As I estimated, Level 4 may be the acceptable highest network hierarchy.

&nbs= p;

&nbs= p;

Best Rega= rds.

&nbs= p;

Aijun Wan= g

China Tel= ecom

&nbs= p;

&nbs= p;

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------=_NextPart_000_012C_01D5C4AC.3F2FBD90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Les: =20 We just want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal interfaces within ISIS domain. It seems that the =A1=B0Attribute = Flags=A1=B1 that described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate place to extend to carry such information. If so, we can write one draft to define one more attribute flag to accomplish this. =20 Or, is there any other way to fulfill this task? Originally, I want to = reuse the reserve bits before =A1=B0Circuit Type=A1=B1 field. It seems not = the right direction.=20 =20 And on the other hand, occupying all the reserved bits for the = unnecessary expansion is also not the right direction?=20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] = =B4=FA=B1=ED Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA1=D4=C26=C8=D5 12:52 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Aijun Wang; lsr@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Lsr] Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8? =20 Aijun =A8C =20 Regarding the number of levels, Tony responded to a similar comment = several months ago =A8C please see https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/dKJBcU59TNuY3rxgjd6iXIq6sYg =20 > It seems not necessary to have 8 levels of hierarchies. 3 or at most 4 levels of hierarchies should be enough. IS-IS with 3 levels of = hierarchies may support a network with 1k*1k*1k nodes, which is about 10^9 =3D 1 = billion nodes. IS-IS with 4 levels of hierarchies may support a network with 1k*1k*1k*1k nodes, which is about 10^12 =3D 1 trillion nodes. =20 =20 This is correct. It=A1=AFs not absolutely necessary. However, as Robert mentioned, it does give the network designer flexibility to create the hierarchy that matches the needs of his network. The cost of the = additional levels is very small, given that we=A1=AFre considering adding any = levels at all, so it seemed sensible to define all of the levels at once. =20 =A1=B0From an architectural point of view, if a number isn=A1=AFt = obviously too large, then it=A1=AFs probably too small.=A1=B1 =A1=AA Ross Callon =20 =20 Link type in OSPF is not at all the same thing as level in IS-IS =A8C so = I do not find that analogy appropriate: =20 >From https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2328 page 128 =20 Link type Description Link ID __________________________________________________ 1 Point-to-point Neighbor Router ID link 2 Link to transit Interface address of network Designated Router 3 Link to stub IP network number network 4 Virtual link Neighbor Router ID =20 =20 Table 18: Link descriptions in the router-LSA. =20 Les =20 =20 From: Lsr On Behalf Of Aijun Wang Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 8:03 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8? =20 Hi, Tony, Les and Paul:=20 =20 As I read the draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-00, = and notice the proposal to expand the reserved bits in =A1=B0Circuit = Type=A1=B1 to cover the level 1-8 in ISIS domain. Here I just want to know is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8 = and occupy all the reserved bits in the PDU format? =20 As compared with the OSPF format, there is one field to describe the = =A1=B0Link Type=A1=B1 (5 bits, currently define only four types). We want to use = the reserved bits in current =A1=B0Circuit Type=A1=B1 of ISIS PDU format to = fulfill the similar tasks.=20 =20 Can this draft leave at least 2 reserved bits for this purpose? There = are many ways to tackle the scale of networks, who will design their network = in level 8 hierarchy? As I estimated, Level 4 may be the acceptable highest network hierarchy. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01D5C4AC.3F2FBD90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Les:

 

We just = want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal interfaces = within ISIS domain.  It seems that the =A1=B0Attribute Flags=A1=B1 = that described in https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate place to = extend to carry such information.

If so, we = can write one draft to define one more attribute flag to accomplish = this.

 

Or, is = there any other way to fulfill this task? Originally, I want to reuse = the reserve bits before =A1=B0Circuit Type=A1=B1 field.  It seems = not the right direction.

 

And on the = other hand, occupying all the reserved bits for the unnecessary = expansion is also not the right direction?

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun = Wang

China Telecom

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: = lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg)
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC= =E4: 2020=C4=EA1=D4=C26=C8=D5 12:52
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Aijun Wang; = lsr@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Lsr] Is it necessary = to expand the IS-IS level to = 8?

 

Aijun = =A8C

 

Regarding the number of levels, Tony = responded to a similar comment several months ago =A8C please see https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/dKJBcU59TNuY3rxgjd6iXIq6s= Yg

 

<snip>

> It seems not necessary to have 8 levels = of hierarchies. 3 or at most 4 levels of hierarchies should be enough. = IS-IS with 3 levels of hierarchies may support a network with 1k*1k*1k = nodes, which is about 10^9 =3D 1 billion nodes. IS-IS with 4 levels of = hierarchies may support a network with 1k*1k*1k*1k nodes, which is about = 10^12 =3D 1 trillion nodes.

 

 

This is correct.  It=A1=AFs not = absolutely necessary. However, as Robert mentioned, it does give the = network designer flexibility to create the hierarchy that matches the = needs of his network.  The cost of the additional levels is very = small, given that we=A1=AFre considering adding any levels at all, so it = seemed sensible to define all of the levels at = once.

 

=A1=B0From an architectural point of view, if = a number isn=A1=AFt obviously too large, then it=A1=AFs probably too = small.=A1=B1  =A1=AA Ross Callon

 

<end snip>

 

Link = type in OSPF is not at all the same thing as level in IS-IS =A8C so I do = not find that analogy appropriate:

 

From https://tools.ietf.org/html/= rfc2328 page 128

 

<snip>

Link type   = Description       Link = ID

       &nbs= p;           = __________________________________________________<= /p>

       &nbs= p;           = 1           = Point-to-point    Neighbor Router = ID

       &nbs= p;            = ;   =         link

       &nbs= p;           = 2           Link to = transit   Interface address of

       &nbs= p;            = ;           = network           = Designated Router

       &nbs= p;           = 3           Link to = stub      IP network = number

       &nbs= p;            = ;           = network

       &nbs= p;           = 4           Virtual = link      Neighbor Router = ID

 

 

       &nbs= p;            = ;       Table 18: Link descriptions in = the

       &nbs= p;            = ;            =       router-LSA.

<end snip>

 

   Les

 

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Aijun Wang
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 8:03 = PM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] = Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to = 8?

 

Hi, Tony, Les and Paul:

 

As I read the draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-= 00, and notice the proposal to expand the reserved bits in = =A1=B0Circuit Type=A1=B1 to cover the level 1-8 in ISIS = domain.

Here I just want to know is it necessary to expand the = IS-IS level to 8 and occupy all the reserved bits in the PDU = format?

 

As compared with the OSPF format, there is one field to = describe the =A1=B0Link Type=A1=B1 (5 bits, currently define only four = types). We want to use the reserved bits in current =A1=B0Circuit = Type=A1=B1 of ISIS PDU format to fulfill the similar tasks. =

 

Can this draft leave at least 2 reserved bits for this = purpose? There are many ways to tackle the scale of networks, who will = design their network in level 8 hierarchy? As I estimated, Level 4 may = be the acceptable highest network hierarchy.

 

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_012C_01D5C4AC.3F2FBD90-- From nobody Mon Jan 6 02:57:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E6A120180 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 02:57:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=raszuk.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mdEPcBgZra8O for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 02:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt1-x832.google.com (mail-qt1-x832.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::832]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3397F120120 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 02:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt1-x832.google.com with SMTP id w47so42144127qtk.4 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 02:57:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8FMeILp9ikWRwvU3oca5O0/A7zKr+esN7h/dNcO/mZI=; b=AKo8cNzeGjKGGv/FqZF+O94WbCg8MnG91ZyNP+7dapKrRT5sFWhqT1tEBPLhai8rTj hD4FoD/2lfpw44XDl+kCzqUffwxQEXw/KJUoCdVQsH1iVzwdsSnD2Pi/wyAEqGTSk9tQ 8xsMwfBty0kBOgMnFEPH3qwuZCgiwVtHlUUiDn/E3zbP4/hp7GTSuD64+VxQD6M19/91 EQOpsIFKPw3wa0m0Px9Guj5+hhQMwge/Ii7ONTdSrwX4K5qIr3nPJ9cyl/17QMhlj4eT d+zk4xFqFsWm6e3V77HpFDe5lqD+cbdy5A4A58NI4JPWRHpRbpAN/80shcOSGatXxM1a bAPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8FMeILp9ikWRwvU3oca5O0/A7zKr+esN7h/dNcO/mZI=; b=Ci87lSCHOS2xKZSCSL6IVxqWbfEZOeNityQDZPtHiPo+mfp/QpgO3zvkfm2RD/V7LO XwL8tDPxxltO1MxHkLpphs9DVzUH7Ge3QPyZIRWjxRgmW4UFjh7Y4jTobH9utK2R9X04 VNph9bCpg1vQc6yd5tXVaN73/eb2giMayXIotpMbK2y1ajhDZHcvoUqUBRT4Ccx8VL7S MhDlyXj/gDZexq+4kB0sd5IO7UK+I21oe6rVoRGzGQrJ7klO4BhxUY5/99PjPcu8F0SG ZOlKYEBCia/BpgCOeCa+g2Nli98UzLQM+3BQLwrGZFDVQgQhjaArQyxD+CBVmiAGr0z7 N6Cg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUm9NUgOAkxCtT9sTL6w4p3tMoxuyl3m04xqzjuwHVXgjsKYAU0 vJiKjuHy3DTDsrlP/9xiID5EVI6Bb2sBldKpxBCgEg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxUOevTuY9kNGbcD1qdgiBIVI6Db2XUBJVnqliOYoJHaA0dmj40ywI5368e4VOImQk3NfvByKxxoc2WLWvmOw8= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7a70:: with SMTP id w16mr73567874qtt.154.1578308268332; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 02:57:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <010801d5c446$29131950$7b394bf0$@org.cn> <012b01d5c469$310c7d90$932578b0$@org.cn> In-Reply-To: <012b01d5c469$310c7d90$932578b0$@org.cn> From: Robert Raszuk Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:57:38 +0100 Message-ID: To: Aijun Wang Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , lsr@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ae4125059b7687f9" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBJcyBpdCBuZWNlc3NhcnkgdG8gZXhwYW5kIHRo?= =?utf-8?q?e_IS-IS_level_to_8=3F?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 10:57:51 -0000 --000000000000ae4125059b7687f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aijun, > We just want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal > interfaces within ISIS domain. It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute Flag= s=E2=80=9D that > described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most > appropriate place to extend to carry such information. > Really ? IMO much better place is to define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it there as passive link. Ref: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5029 Now more interesting perhaps is to find out how ISIS is supposed to react to such information. Or is the intention to carry it just as an opaque info say for show commands use only ? Thx, R. --000000000000ae4125059b7687f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aijun,
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We just want to d= istinguish the passive interfaces from other normal interfaces within ISIS = domain.=C2=A0 It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute Flags=E2=80=9D that desc= ribed in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate place to extend to= carry such information.


Really ?

IMO much better place is to define new= sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it there as passive link.

<= div>Ref:=C2=A0https://tools= .ietf.org/html/rfc5029

Now more interesting pe= rhaps is to find out how ISIS is supposed to react to such information. Or = is the intention to carry it just as an opaque info say for show commands u= se only ?=C2=A0

Thx,
R.

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Improving interoperability is definitely something that I support (1), in p= articular for mission critical protocols. Thank you to authors & Alvaro for the work and the initiative. Bruno (1) Including during error conditions ;-) =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christian Hopps Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 8:07 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps; Antoni Przygienda Subject: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Jan 16th, 2020, for draft-i= etf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv/ Tony P (other authors already responded during the adoption poll), please i= ndicate your knowledge of any IPR related to this work to the list as well. 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([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YqL2jIpzvMnU; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 10:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD441200D7; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 10:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from stubbs.int.chopps.org (66-227-211-29.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com [66.227.211.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 00CAA60B39; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 18:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.40.2.2.4\)) From: Christian Hopps In-Reply-To: <24CA2937-AA6B-4452-A181-D5A5D14E11BE@chopps.org> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 13:18:15 -0500 Cc: Christian Hopps , lsr-ads@ietf.org, draft-ketant-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9EEBD3A5-113E-42F1-BE57-7ED59972395E@chopps.org> References: <24CA2937-AA6B-4452-A181-D5A5D14E11BE@chopps.org> To: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-ketant-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 18:18:20 -0000 The document is adopted. Authors, please repost with the name draft-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-00. Thanks, Chris & Acee. > On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:54 AM, Christian Hopps = wrote: >=20 > Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, >=20 > This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ketant-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode/ >=20 > Please indicate your support or objection by Dec 27th. >=20 > Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR = that applies to this draft. >=20 > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >=20 From nobody Mon Jan 6 10:19:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144C71200D7; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 10:19:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N5ONm7a6deTE; 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Thanks, Chris. > On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:28 AM, Christian Hopps = wrote: >=20 > Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, >=20 > This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ketant-lsr-ospf-reverse-metric/ >=20 > Please indicate your support or objection by Dec 27th. >=20 > Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR = that applies to this draft. >=20 > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >=20 From nobody Mon Jan 6 17:08:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243FD1200CE for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 17:08:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IEnvui5K7WIS for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 17:08:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (m176115.mail.qiye.163.com [59.111.176.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD862120041 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 17:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id 91B056611EC; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 09:08:08 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: "'Robert Raszuk'" Cc: "'Les Ginsberg \(ginsberg\)'" , References: <010801d5c446$29131950$7b394bf0$@org.cn> <012b01d5c469$310c7d90$932578b0$@org.cn> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 09:08:07 +0800 Message-ID: <012c01d5c4f6$ec79c5a0$c56d50e0$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012D_01D5C539.FA9D05A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdXEgCv6OKHWNEW2RoO/BFaspSm7FAAdjOrQ Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZVktVT0JPQkJCQ0lOQk5PT0hMWVdZKF lBSkxLS0o3V1ktWUFJV1kJDhceCFlBWTU0KTY6NyQpLjc#WQY+ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6NBw6Lzo4GTg2ORo8KxUeODMI OhFPCgFVSlVKTkxDSE5CSUJKQklDVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWVdZCAFZQUpKT05CNwY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a6f7d8b73799373kuws91b056611ec Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 01:08:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01D5C539.FA9D05A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Robert: =20 Thanks for your information. TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link between them. As = for the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor.=20 It seems the sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate place to put = this information? =20 P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion topic. =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 = 18:58 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to = expand the IS-IS level to 8? =20 Aijun, =20 We just want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal = interfaces within ISIS domain. It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute = Flags=E2=80=9D that described in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate = place to extend to carry such information. =20 Really ? =20 IMO much better place is to define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it = there as passive link. =20 Ref: https://tools..ietf.org/html/rfc5029 = =20 =20 Now more interesting perhaps is to find out how ISIS is supposed to = react to such information. Or is the intention to carry it just as an = opaque info say for show commands use only ?=20 =20 Thx, R. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01D5C539.FA9D05A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Robert:

 

Thanks for your information.

TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link between them. = As for the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor. =

It seems the sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate place to = put this information?

 

P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion = topic.

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 18:58
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun = Wang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); = lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to expand = the IS-IS level to 8?

 

Aijun,

 

We just want to distinguish the = passive interfaces from other normal interfaces within ISIS = domain.  It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute Flags=E2=80=9D that = described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate place to extend to = carry such = information.

 

Really = ?

 

IMO much better place is to define = new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it there as passive = link.

 

 

Now more interesting perhaps is to = find out how ISIS is supposed to react to such information. Or is the = intention to carry it just as an opaque info say for show commands use = only ? 

 

Thx,
R.

 

<= /html> ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01D5C539.FA9D05A0-- From nobody Mon Jan 6 17:11:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3940A120118 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 17:11:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17Ea6EbEeVoP for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 17:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (m176115.mail.qiye.163.com [59.111.176.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF6A0120041 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 17:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id D2E6E661D9B; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 09:11:08 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: "'Les Ginsberg \(ginsberg\)'" , References: <010801d5c446$29131950$7b394bf0$@org.cn> <012b01d5c469$310c7d90$932578b0$@org.cn> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 09:11:08 +0800 Message-ID: <013701d5c4f7$57e92100$07bb6300$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0138_01D5C53A.660C6100" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdXERihUo/c8ffymSLyjWA20ox97mQABh7ywAAUJwzAAEy04QAASc7WA Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZVkpVSEtLS0tLQktOQkJLTVlXWShZQU pMS0tKN1dZLVlBSVdZCQ4XHghZQVk1NCk2OjckKS43PlkG X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6Nzo6Aio6Tzg1MRoZKxUzQz4Q AkgaChlVSlVKTkxDSE5CT0xPSEtNVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWVdZCAFZQUhIT0lPNwY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a6f7d8e33899373kuwsd2e6e661d9b Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgSXMgaXQgbmVjZXNzYXJ5IHRvIGV4cGFuZCB0?= =?utf-8?q?he_IS-IS_level_to_8=3F?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 01:11:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01D5C53A.660C6100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Les: =20 You are right. I investigate again the PDU format/purpose and found the = IIH is not the right place to carry this information. Let=E2=80=99s discuss the passive interface solution in another thread = =E2=80=9CMethods to label the interfaces within ISIS=E2=80=9D. =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 = 0:27 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; lsr@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level = to 8? =20 Aijun =E2=80=93 =20 Hmmm=E2=80=A6let me see if I understand you. =20 You and some other folks have an as yet unpublished idea to use some of = the bits in circuit type field and therefore you are not happy that the = hierarchy draft will use all of the circuit-type bits for levels. Is this correct?? =20 It is hard to comment on an unpublished idea =E2=80=93 but I would point = out that the field being used for levels is a field in the header of = PDUs =E2=80=93 and new PDUs at that. It is therefore hard to see how = this is relevant to information about a particular interface which is = always contained in a TLV =E2=80=93 not in the PDU header. =20 If you are talking specifically about IIH PDUs, note that IIHs are never = sent on passive interfaces. =20 But it is hard to comment on an idea that you have yet to publish. =20 Les =20 =20 From: Aijun Wang =20 Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 12:14 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [Lsr] Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS = level to 8? =20 Hi, Les: =20 We just want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal = interfaces within ISIS domain. It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute = Flags=E2=80=9D that described in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate = place to extend to carry such information. If so, we can write one draft to define one more attribute flag to = accomplish this. =20 Or, is there any other way to fulfill this task? Originally, I want to = reuse the reserve bits before =E2=80=9CCircuit Type=E2=80=9D field. It = seems not the right direction.=20 =20 And on the other hand, occupying all the reserved bits for the = unnecessary expansion is also not the right direction?=20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 = 12:52 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; lsr@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level = to 8? =20 Aijun =E2=80=93 =20 Regarding the number of levels, Tony responded to a similar comment = several months ago =E2=80=93 please see = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/dKJBcU59TNuY3rxgjd6iXIq6sYg =20 > It seems not necessary to have 8 levels of hierarchies. 3 or at most 4 = levels of hierarchies should be enough. IS-IS with 3 levels of = hierarchies may support a network with 1k*1k*1k nodes, which is about = 10^9 =3D 1 billion nodes. IS-IS with 4 levels of hierarchies may support = a network with 1k*1k*1k*1k nodes, which is about 10^12 =3D 1 trillion = nodes. =20 =20 This is correct. It=E2=80=99s not absolutely necessary. However, as = Robert mentioned, it does give the network designer flexibility to = create the hierarchy that matches the needs of his network. The cost of = the additional levels is very small, given that we=E2=80=99re = considering adding any levels at all, so it seemed sensible to define = all of the levels at once. =20 =E2=80=9CFrom an architectural point of view, if a number isn=E2=80=99t = obviously too large, then it=E2=80=99s probably too small.=E2=80=9D = =E2=80=94 Ross Callon =20 =20 Link type in OSPF is not at all the same thing as level in IS-IS = =E2=80=93 so I do not find that analogy appropriate: =20 >From https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2328 page 128 =20 Link type Description Link ID __________________________________________________ 1 Point-to-point Neighbor Router ID link 2 Link to transit Interface address of network Designated Router 3 Link to stub IP network number network 4 Virtual link Neighbor Router ID =20 =20 Table 18: Link descriptions in the router-LSA. =20 Les =20 =20 From: Lsr On Behalf Of Aijun Wang Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 8:03 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8? =20 Hi, Tony, Les and Paul:=20 =20 As I read the draft = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-00, = and notice the proposal to expand the reserved bits in =E2=80=9CCircuit = Type=E2=80=9D to cover the level 1-8 in ISIS domain. Here I just want to know is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to 8 = and occupy all the reserved bits in the PDU format? =20 As compared with the OSPF format, there is one field to describe the = =E2=80=9CLink Type=E2=80=9D (5 bits, currently define only four types). = We want to use the reserved bits in current =E2=80=9CCircuit = Type=E2=80=9D of ISIS PDU format to fulfill the similar tasks.=20 =20 Can this draft leave at least 2 reserved bits for this purpose? There = are many ways to tackle the scale of networks, who will design their = network in level 8 hierarchy? As I estimated, Level 4 may be the = acceptable highest network hierarchy. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01D5C53A.660C6100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Les:

 

You are = right.=C2=A0 I investigate again the PDU format/purpose and found the = IIH is not the right place to carry this = information.

Let=E2=80=99s discuss the passive = interface solution in another thread =E2=80=9CMethods to label the = interfaces within ISIS=E2=80=9D.

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun = Wang

China Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: = lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg)
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 0:27
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; = lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Is it necessary = to expand the IS-IS level to = 8?

 

Aijun = =E2=80=93

 

Hmmm=E2=80=A6let me see if I understand = you.

 

You and = some other folks have an as yet unpublished idea to use some of the bits = in circuit type field and therefore you are not happy that the hierarchy = draft will use all of the circuit-type bits for = levels.

Is this correct??

 

It is = hard to comment on an unpublished idea =E2=80=93 but I would point out = that the field being used for levels is a field in the header of PDUs = =E2=80=93 and new PDUs at that. It is therefore hard to see how this is = relevant to information about a particular interface which is always = contained in a TLV =E2=80=93 not in the PDU = header.

 

If you = are talking specifically about IIH PDUs, note that IIHs are never sent = on passive interfaces.

 

But it = is hard to comment on an idea that you have yet to = publish.

 

   Les

 

 

From: Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn&g= t;
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 12:14 AM
To: Les = Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4= =8D: [Lsr] Is it = necessary to expand the IS-IS level to = 8?

 

Hi, Les:

 

We just = want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal interfaces = within ISIS domain.  It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute = Flags=E2=80=9D that described in https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate place to = extend to carry such information.

If so, we = can write one draft to define one more attribute flag to accomplish = this.

 

Or, is = there any other way to fulfill this task? Originally, I want to reuse = the reserve bits before =E2=80=9CCircuit Type=E2=80=9D field.  It = seems not the right direction.

 

And on the = other hand, occupying all the reserved bits for the unnecessary = expansion is also not the right direction?

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun = Wang

China Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg)
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 12:52
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2= =98: Re: [Lsr] Is it = necessary to expand the IS-IS level to = 8?

 

Aijun = =E2=80=93

 

Regarding the number of levels, Tony = responded to a similar comment several months ago =E2=80=93 please see = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/dKJBcU59TNuY3rxgjd6iXIq6s= Yg

 

<snip>

> It seems not necessary to have 8 levels = of hierarchies. 3 or at most 4 levels of hierarchies should be enough. = IS-IS with 3 levels of hierarchies may support a network with 1k*1k*1k = nodes, which is about 10^9 =3D 1 billion nodes. IS-IS with 4 levels of = hierarchies may support a network with 1k*1k*1k*1k nodes, which is about = 10^12 =3D 1 trillion nodes.

 

 

This is correct.  It=E2=80=99s not = absolutely necessary. However, as Robert mentioned, it does give the = network designer flexibility to create the hierarchy that matches the = needs of his network.  The cost of the additional levels is very = small, given that we=E2=80=99re considering adding any levels at all, so = it seemed sensible to define all of the levels at = once.

 

=E2=80=9CFrom an architectural point of view, = if a number isn=E2=80=99t obviously too large, then it=E2=80=99s = probably too small.=E2=80=9D  =E2=80=94 Ross = Callon

 

<end snip>

 

Link = type in OSPF is not at all the same thing as level in IS-IS =E2=80=93 so = I do not find that analogy appropriate:

 

From https://tools.ietf.org/html/= rfc2328 page 128

 

<snip>

Link type   = Description       Link = ID

       &nbs= p;           = __________________________________________________<= /p>

       &nbs= p;           = 1           = Point-to-point    Neighbor Router = ID

       &nbs= p;            = ;   =         link

       &nbs= p;           = 2           Link to = transit   Interface address of

       &nbs= p;            = ;           = network           = Designated Router

       &nbs= p;           = 3           Link to = stub      IP network = number

       &nbs= p;            = ;           = network

       &nbs= p;           = 4           Virtual = link      Neighbor Router = ID

 

 

       &nbs= p;            = ;       Table 18: Link descriptions in = the

       &nbs= p;            = ;            =       router-LSA.

<end snip>

 

   Les

 

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Aijun Wang
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 8:03 = PM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] = Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to = 8?

 

Hi, Tony, Les and Paul:

 

As I read the draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-= 00, and notice the proposal to expand the reserved bits in = =E2=80=9CCircuit Type=E2=80=9D to cover the level 1-8 in ISIS = domain.

Here I just want to know is it necessary to expand the = IS-IS level to 8 and occupy all the reserved bits in the PDU = format?

 

As compared with the OSPF format, there is one field to = describe the =E2=80=9CLink Type=E2=80=9D (5 bits, currently define only = four types). We want to use the reserved bits in current = =E2=80=9CCircuit Type=E2=80=9D of ISIS PDU format to fulfill the similar = tasks.

 

Can this draft leave at least 2 reserved bits for this = purpose? There are many ways to tackle the scale of networks, who will = design their network in level 8 hierarchy? As I estimated, Level 4 may = be the acceptable highest network hierarchy.

 

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

 

 

 

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We've just posted the WG version of this draft that was adopt= ed. -----Original Message----- From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps Sent: 06 January 2020 23:51 To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ketant-lsr-ospf-reverse-metric@ietf.org; lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christ= ian Hopps Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-ketant-lsr-ospf-reverse-metri= c The document is adopted. Authors, please post a new version with name draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-me= tric-00. Thanks, Chris. > On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:28 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >=20 > Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, >=20 > This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ketant-lsr-ospf-reverse-metric/ >=20 > Please indicate your support or objection by Dec 27th. >=20 > Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that = applies to this draft. >=20 > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >=20 _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Tue Jan 7 00:06:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B2E1208D5; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 00:06:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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We've just posted the WG version of this draft that was adopt= ed. -----Original Message----- From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps Sent: 06 January 2020 23:49 To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps ; draft-ketant-lsr= -ospf-bfd-strict-mode@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-ketant-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mo= de That should be draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode Thanks, Chris. > On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Christian Hopps wrote: >=20 > The document is adopted. >=20 > Authors, please repost with the name draft-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-00. >=20 > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. >=20 >> On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:54 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >>=20 >> Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, >>=20 >> This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: >>=20 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ketant-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode/ >>=20 >> Please indicate your support or objection by Dec 27th. >>=20 >> Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that= applies to this draft. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Chris & Acee. >> _______________________________________________ >> Lsr mailing list >> Lsr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >=20 _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Tue Jan 7 02:14:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F698120019 for ; 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Tue, 07 Jan 2020 02:14:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <010801d5c446$29131950$7b394bf0$@org.cn> <012b01d5c469$310c7d90$932578b0$@org.cn> <012c01d5c4f6$ec79c5a0$c56d50e0$@org.cn> In-Reply-To: <012c01d5c4f6$ec79c5a0$c56d50e0$@org.cn> From: Robert Raszuk Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 11:13:58 +0100 Message-ID: To: Aijun Wang Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , lsr@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000053b00e059b8a0925" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 10:14:11 -0000 --00000000000053b00e059b8a0925 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Aijun, Right .. I took your email as an attempt/request to actually advertise passive links in the first place. May we know what difference does it make to you if reachable prefix is part of an active vs passive interface from IGP point of view ? Thx, R. On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM Aijun Wang wrote= : > Hi, Robert: > > > > Thanks for your information. > > TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link between them. As > for the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor. > > It seems the sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate place to put > this information? > > > > P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion topic. > > > > Best Regards. > > > > Aijun Wang > > China Telecom > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@i= etf.org] *=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 *Robert > Raszuk > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5= 18:58 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Aijun Wang > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to ex= pand the IS-IS level to 8? > > > > Aijun, > > > > We just want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal > interfaces within ISIS domain. It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute Flag= s=E2=80=9D that > described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most > appropriate place to extend to carry such information. > > > > Really ? > > > > IMO much better place is to define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it ther= e > as passive link. > > > > Ref: https://tools..ietf.org/html/rfc5029 > > > > > Now more interesting perhaps is to find out how ISIS is supposed to react > to such information. Or is the intention to carry it just as an opaque in= fo > say for show commands use only ? > > > > Thx, > R. > > > --00000000000053b00e059b8a0925 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Aijun,

Right .. I took your=C2= =A0email as an attempt/request=C2=A0to actually advertise passive links in = the first place.=C2=A0

May we know what difference = does it make to you if reachable prefix is part of an active vs passive int= erface from IGP point of=C2=A0view ?=C2=A0

Thx,
R.


<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM Aijun W= ang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org= .cn> wrote:

Hi, Robert:=

=C2=A0=

Thanks for y= our information.

TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link betw= een them. As for the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor. <= u>

It seems t= he sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate place to put this informa= tion?

=C2=A0

P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion topic.=

=C2= =A0

Best Regards.

=C2= =A0

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

<= /u>=C2=A0

=E5=8F=91=E4= =BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 18:58
=E6= =94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:= Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98<= span lang=3D"EN-US">: Re: [Lsr] =E7= =AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS l= evel to 8?

=C2=A0

Aijun,

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0

<= /div>

We just want to distinguish the passive in= terfaces from other normal interfaces within ISIS domain.=C2=A0 It seems th= at the =E2=80=9CAttribute Flags=E2=80=9D that described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate place to extend to car= ry such information.

=C2=A0

Really ?<= /u>

=C2=A0

IMO much better place is to define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it t= here as passive link.

=C2=A0

<= /blockquote>
--00000000000053b00e059b8a0925-- From nobody Tue Jan 7 02:57:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3149B120073 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 02:57:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id euHW3creusWX for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 02:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (m176115.mail.qiye.163.com [59.111.176.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2209E12001E for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 02:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [240.0.0.1] (unknown [213.159.202.56]) by m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id 42BC6663935; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 18:56:56 +0800 (CST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B01CEAE7-6466-4AB8-BC6A-05CC055B9949 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Aijun Wang Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 18:56:49 +0800 Message-Id: References: Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , lsr@ietf.org In-Reply-To: To: Robert Raszuk X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17C54) X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZVktVT05MQkJCQ0NOS0NJSU9OWVdZKF lBSkxLS0o3V1ktWUFJV1kJDhceCFlBWTU0KTY6NyQpLjc#WQY+ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6MxA6HSo6Hzg0KRkvNiEsGUw# SygKCkJVSlVKTkxDSEJPTUhPTkhLVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkhVSk5CVUlLSVVOTVlXWQgBWUFKSU9ITjcG X-HM-Tid: 0a6f7fa681d29373kuws42bc6663935 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 10:57:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail-B01CEAE7-6466-4AB8-BC6A-05CC055B9949 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Robert: There are situations that we want to distinguish the passive interfaces from= the normal interfaces. I will try to write one draft in recent days to desc= ribe it and for further discussion. Thanks in advance. Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Jan 7, 2020, at 18:14, Robert Raszuk wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Aijun, >=20 > Right .. I took your email as an attempt/request to actually advertise pas= sive links in the first place.=20 >=20 > May we know what difference does it make to you if reachable prefix is par= t of an active vs passive interface from IGP point of view ?=20 >=20 > Thx, > R. >=20 >=20 >> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM Aijun Wang wr= ote: >> Hi, Robert: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Thanks for your information. >>=20 >> TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link between them. As f= or the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor. >>=20 >> It seems the sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate place to put t= his information? >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion topic. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Best Regards. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Aijun Wang >>=20 >> China Telecom >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@iet= f.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk >> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 1= 8:58 >> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang >> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org >> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to expa= nd the IS-IS level to 8? >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Aijun, >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> We just want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal inte= rfaces within ISIS domain. It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute Flags=E2=80= =9D that described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the= most appropriate place to extend to carry such information. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Really ? >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> IMO much better place is to define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it ther= e as passive link. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Ref: https://tools..ietf.org/html/rfc5029 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Now more interesting perhaps is to find out how ISIS is supposed to react= to such information. Or is the intention to carry it just as an opaque info= say for show commands use only ?=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Thx, >> R. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --Apple-Mail-B01CEAE7-6466-4AB8-BC6A-05CC055B9949 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Robert:
There are situations that w= e want to distinguish the passive interfaces from the normal interfaces. I w= ill try to write one draft in recent days to describe it and for further dis= cussion.

Thanks in advance.

Aijun Wang
China Telecom

On Jan 7, 2020, at 18:14, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>= ; wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hi Aijun,

Right .. I to= ok your email as an attempt/request to actually advertise passive l= inks in the first place. 

May we know what diff= erence does it make to you if reachable prefix is part of an active vs passi= ve interface from IGP point of view ? 

Th= x,
R.


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM Aiju= n Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.o= rg..cn> wrote:

Hi, Robert:

 =

Thanks for your in= formation.

TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link between them. A= s for the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor.

It seems the sub-TLV wit= hin this TLV is not the appropriate place to put this information?=

 <= u>

P.S. I chang= ed the thread to reflect the conversion topic.

 

Best R= egards.

 

Aijun Wang=

China Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org= ] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020<= /span>=E5=B9=B41=E6= =9C=886=E6=97=A5 18:58
<= /span>=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9= =A2=98: Re: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to expand the IS-= IS level to 8?

<= span lang=3D"EN-US"> 

Aijun,

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal"> 

We just want to distinguish the passive interfa= ces from other normal interfaces within ISIS domain.  It seems that the= =E2=80=9CAttribute Flags=E2=80=9D that described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate place to extend to carry such in= formation.

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">Really ?

=

 <= /span>

IMO much be= tter place is to define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it there as passive l= ink.

 

 

Now m= ore interesting perhaps is to find out how ISIS is supposed to react to such= information. Or is the intention to carry it just as an opaque info say for= show commands use only ? 

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,
R.

 

_______________________________________________
Lsr ma= iling list
Lsr@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/lsr
= --Apple-Mail-B01CEAE7-6466-4AB8-BC6A-05CC055B9949-- From nobody Wed Jan 8 10:14:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F1E120887; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:14:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.115.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <157850728434.22473.10722171195036338569@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 10:14:44 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-01.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:14:44 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IS-IS Extended Hierarchy Authors : Tony Li Les Ginsberg Paul Wells Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-01.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2020-01-08 Abstract: The IS-IS routing protocol was originally defined with a two level hierarchical structure. This was adequate for the networks at the time. As we continue to expand the scale of our networks, it is apparent that additional hierarchy would be a welcome degree of flexibility in network design. This document defines IS-IS Levels 3 through 8. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lsr-isis-extended-hierarchy-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jan 8 10:56:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB94120047 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:56:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=pscan.eu Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4y_M45ty7QMR for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from pscan.eu (pscan.eu [31.193.140.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11E3212003E for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:56:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pscan.eu; s=2016050301; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=RLlbEwZheEmmLknl+pOrH6QpBuE5/1o2RuyN5q0G/fc=; b=KLdr6W46G2TtUELoHlsIAyeABC bMUjKfqhRRKIO8yXnISM+onIkAhvTP8gipiBIx9vlmBZVKwim6dNSGiZHTsrh0OB61AJCCF6Jhm1A Grn0fC5eo5VpyRjKBqphUiov1DO6+RJMmn4SNvE2e7j4Pug+X5Kd5xiJcUcBTTBuKQ0c=; Received: from host86-189-157-152.range86-189.btcentralplus.com ([86.189.157.152] helo=[192.168.1.250]) by pscan.eu with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.87_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ipFAj-000Iij-HP; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 17:31:09 +0000 To: "lsr@ietf.org" , Les Ginsberg , chopps@chopps.org, hannes@rtbrick.com From: Philip Christian Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=philip.christian@christiantena.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQGiBEc41aIRBACkjMUnuHA13hQWsGYpDl0UYpnCwIvAfeBzb455Ne2pxIe4NBK4yJ0NU6Ob 2/OUFFovtT9sdbAoPu72Rt+IFQTD4d+CxRxJGrODftrYIWHWGaIpj8dViqqjyW6QBu5atVci 1YHyVHp7kjLfVvbbEtyKCrwiCR7lEnviUGTYw7nv3wCgzplLquKcaM3GS6BBWnZNfvcFYQEE AImgJWax2wx2Jwu2mZPG87HzZNnP3yYPuy6KkNgMNxfhe1NgixKBMpBc7z7iCybQUqwo5ri2 fbEN4iGMcKU40fXHlZF47IFqeYEpQfm2Em0UqIECyxVHyJs2+J3psw2mNnhR4mwvVdQS9eZU pobnRjcIRyqU9dpeTK9s1tgrH7X9A/0RrEVWyORZJPii0mi8jc3d/wGhakG5x803drVBK8A5 YB7TljczYW/qoeVYwwlWjMly6hXy3BCZBFB21nKiV3ny0vVdaWqp0d3CIVpUqlG/ff1QYap4 3/wn1KwfnrPYWQMoMbIDQoaaD5bPFHMBHwvakZIGb9LRmXM/QpK18HKKY7Q1UGhpbGlwIENo cmlzdGlhbiA8cGhpbGlwLmNocmlzdGlhbkBjaHJpc3RpYW50ZW5hLm5ldD6IYAQTEQIAIAUC RzjVogIbAwYLCQgHAwIEFQIIAwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEGxZfP6N1u19uHgAnRaflImH1Rnk BfvV9/n/vNtq3Mn2AKCRVyEd1BqTmf+9gDhVdtOzlS3wU7kBDQRHONWiAQgApzaHrBSXc7Bo Czw7CtpDd/jFk31tJ6l530YFW05GdQYCa33Smg/0K/ZtIo2eWXdHl5l4SkFVRfFZLtLnRjwt gy0jOwuc6z3ruRAnMVYpuZlxiAz5xCYBdW4hEq37Lu3H1wAcwB6IAZRgIm7HW1ds23AzSu7u zDglrdTZ8DMZJ6F25GctjMGtmonKsRqa9J9uh55lKra/hNOfN1Q3s6H99AeW2jaZWIxb1weL rXrSorux9aD9lWs5rgXcsMws5GxS7ntyamAv/PDBidnBFYeLSO0hAKKT4+9kSSRs8BCYr0Wx ZYtJKfST1GnMdyZnoVV9E7hoa88M4pjV5uvt+KJquwARAQABiQFoBBgRAgAJBQJHONWiAhsu ASkJEGxZfP6N1u19wF0gBBkBAgAGBQJHONWiAAoJEOkKAFEzHILOvvEH/3EKfR/fAX8a44Hh KV1YClWO4YyymmP1DlZcegKqqvj9tyDabV44V5HFKQwI9+F30WoBlmNdZQzC1xrjqt5ohpop 9crbMhR0uSkaFjxM2poNG9nn/IUoLI1iV+6uj36m8jsFeldO27jM8NS+gJeS0VlOyysOOcp3 f5VIJ1/cT4SFiil/Mrtzeq9dA+m3B9pXWm2UXjAaku1xFa3+T238HnBftpakzARb9EQXnhUG 8LaQiECZWOgKr7X8DRl3JIh3FclYxjN2yeRCYJLOFxhgUX06eR0VRxWOoo8JuV+ez8cv6xjv gqmgE1n5VJKqubzUal5dFHAPFylYoOAKFWclmv/oYACeON7kqQU9LZDBbSYg4FFtI+wqTX0A n0psU2ur8MPqnLBKKqCuRYR9B4m+ Message-ID: <2a46911a-e391-6de9-7175-25fc2e8d57cc@christiantena.net> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:55:59 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] RFC8500 Reverse Metric and ITU-T G.7712 both using IS-IS TLV 16 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:56:11 -0000 Hello I have been monitoring using of IS-IS TLV16 on and off for seventeen years but it seems that this past year I failed to notice it being assigned to Reverse Metric. My understanding is that there are now two separate IS-IS protocol extensions now using TLV16. The one from eighteen years ago is Automatic Encapsulation which was not accepted by the IETF but was written into ITU-T G.7712. The second is Reverse Metric. However all is not lost. Automatic Encapsulation specified the use of subTLVs and only ever assigned SubTLV 1. I notice that Reverse Metric appears to have subTLVs 1-17 listed as Unassigned. In my opinion the safest thing to do would be to update the IANA TLV codepoint document and under the section "Sub-TLVs for TLV 16 (Reverse Metric TLV)" simply mark subTLV 1 as something like "used in ITU G.7712". This would make the situation 100% safe for Reverse Metric implementors IMHO. Provided that subTLV 1 is ignored then I think it wouldn't matter if the million to one happened and an SDH/SONET optical network overhead channel somehow got bridged to a modern IS-IS thing. Probably if that did happen then much worse stuff would happen anyway, like all of the CLNP packets rushing off towards an Internet of nothing causing panic in a telco ops room somewhere. Or maybe a corporate network trying to route itself down a SONET/SDH 128kb overhead channel. I was tasked several years ago with trying to find an actual implementation of Automatic Encapsulation and the only evidence that I can find is a Vertel document here http://www.vertel.com/docs/g7712.pdf There was a rumour of one Telecom vendor building something but I could not get to the bottom of it. I know that Nortel was also working on an implementation for their SONET/SDH multiplexers but my relationship (and probably my pension) with them ended in 2003. I have no idea if Nortel optical equipment is actually still used in a live network. Folks can read about G.7712 here https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-G.7712-201908-I/en Note that I do not speak on behalf of any standards group or company on this matter. It is purely a personal interest. I have since 2003 followed a completely different carrier path. Also note that I have not done any serious amount of research or checking into how Reverse Metric works or particularly read any of the documents. I hope that you are all still well. Happy new year. 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This seems like it would bust every single implementation of reverse = metric. Given that you can=E2=80=99t find an implementation of Automatic = Encapsulation and they never filed anything with LSR (or IS-IS or IANA), why would we do that? Seems to me like this is a problem for Automatic Encapsulation folks to = figure out=E2=80=A6 Tony --Apple-Mail=_BC1E3406-97E7-40D0-A6E0-910D51A52361 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:55 AM, Philip Christian <philip.christian@christiantena.net> wrote:

In my opinion the safest thing = to do would be to update the IANA TLV
codepoint document and under the section "Sub-TLVs for TLV 16 = (Reverse
Metric TLV)" = simply mark subTLV 1 as something like "used in ITU G.7712".


This seems like it would bust every = single implementation of reverse metric.

Given that you can=E2=80=99t find an = implementation of Automatic Encapsulation and they never
filed anything with LSR (or IS-IS or IANA), why would we do = that?

Seems to = me like this is a problem for Automatic Encapsulation folks to figure = out=E2=80=A6

Tony

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I also notice that Reverse Metric seems to use TLV 16 only in IIH and that G.7712 only uses it in LSPs. regards, Philip On 08/01/2020 19:01, tony.li@tony.li wrote: > > >> On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:55 AM, Philip Christian >> > > wrote: >> >> In my opinion the safest thing to do would be to update the IANA TLV >> codepoint document and under the section "Sub-TLVs for TLV 16 (Reverse >> Metric TLV)" simply mark subTLV 1 as something like "used in ITU G.7712". > > > This seems like it would bust every single implementation of reverse metric. > > Given that you can’t find an implementation of Automatic Encapsulation > and they never > filed anything with LSR (or IS-IS or IANA), why would we do that? > > Seems to me like this is a problem for Automatic Encapsulation folks to > figure out… > > Tony > From nobody Wed Jan 8 11:46:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] RFC8500 Reverse Metric and ITU-T G.7712 both using IS-IS TLV 16 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 20:19:12 -0000 Hello Les I think we all know that option 1 is what will happen because no one cares enough to bother with 2. For the record TLV16 was assigned by this group to autoencap at the time and the code point doc didn't exist back then. When the code point document was then invented I asked for TLV16 to be reserved but was rebuffed. The actual fact is that it probably doesn't matter because if anyone was stupid enough to bridge a SONET/SDH IS-IS network to a modern IP router network it would probably spectacularly explode anyway, and because I suspect (but not 100% sure) that an autoencap network was ever actually built. So it just becomes a little piece of history and probably of no importance. You never know when a similar scenario might happen in another technology area though (one protocol, multiple standards orgs?) and so I hope a little reminder is more valuable than annoying. Maybe it isn't :-; regards, Philip On 08/01/2020 19:46, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Philip - > > Always good to renew our acquaintance. > > As the format of the TLV itself is different between Reverse Metric and Auto-Encap, simply reserving a sub-TLV code-point for Auto-Encap isn't sufficient. > > Suggesting that one form of the TLV be used in IIHs(Reverse Metric) and another in LSPs(Autoencap) is a creative solution - but I think we could both agree this is a hack and less than desirable. > > I think realistically there are two paths which can be followed - the need for either of them is of course dependent on the existence of deployments of auto-encap. > > 1)Auto-encap can continue to use TLV 16 so long as it never has to coexist with Reverse metric. > It does so understanding that it is using a proprietary codepoint which has not been standardized. > (Apologies to anyone in the ITU whom I have just offended.) > > 2)If there is sufficient justification, ITU would need to apply for a new codepoint which could be added to the IANA registry. > Existing implementations of auto-encap would need to introduce support for transition from the proprietary codepoint to the standard codepoint. > > I respect your tireless advocacy for this functionality, but I think there needs to be some larger consensus before Option #2 could be considered. > > Does this seem like a fair summary of options? > > Les > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Philip Christian >> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 11:08 AM >> To: tony.li@tony.li >> Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; >> chopps@chopps.org; hannes@rtbrick.com >> Subject: Re: [Lsr] RFC8500 Reverse Metric and ITU-T G.7712 both using IS-IS >> TLV 16 >> >> [quote]they never filed anything with LSR (or IS-IS or IANA)[/quote] >> In my defense I did try. >> >> I also notice that Reverse Metric seems to use TLV 16 only in IIH and >> that G.7712 only uses it in LSPs. >> >> regards, Philip >> >> On 08/01/2020 19:01, tony.li@tony.li wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:55 AM, Philip Christian >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> In my opinion the safest thing to do would be to update the IANA TLV >>>> codepoint document and under the section "Sub-TLVs for TLV 16 (Reverse >>>> Metric TLV)" simply mark subTLV 1 as something like "used in ITU G.7712". >>> >>> >>> This seems like it would bust every single implementation of reverse >> metric. >>> >>> Given that you can’t find an implementation of Automatic Encapsulation >>> and they never >>> filed anything with LSR (or IS-IS or IANA), why would we do that? >>> >>> Seems to me like this is a problem for Automatic Encapsulation folks to >>> figure out… >>> >>> Tony >>> > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > From nobody Wed Jan 8 12:21:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BCE12012A for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:21:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=pscan.eu Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6LCHeXFElUiX for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pscan.eu (pscan.eu [31.193.140.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E978A12003E for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:21:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pscan.eu; s=2016050301; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ASVv0IbAZ2FnuBHpoZ+Z84a9AuEvb5yW8lko5Q4OVd8=; b=NJWQ3qggq+BN5jv/iMjJjnpLZL hMDmIqQc9aX9iQ/uqkj1cDvVHnzdJdx/xiCVIQ4/MOk+rbG89pWxFh0ZPoth4ntHQDqo2WCm0mYpi hplCdqVgQtveb/vzeTpoh0dDqq2W347RnXXpIOsB+4LH4cgBVO+ZNY6JN2i23HwwnFo0=; Received: from host86-189-157-152.range86-189.btcentralplus.com ([86.189.157.152] helo=[192.168.1.250]) by pscan.eu with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.87_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ipGVh-000Iv9-Ru for lsr@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:56:53 +0000 To: lsr@ietf.org References: <2a46911a-e391-6de9-7175-25fc2e8d57cc@christiantena.net> <7f448ebe-dde9-809f-4b9c-e637ec0ee5f5@christiantena.net> <7739aa8e-6edd-c842-ac17-24b68393dd2a@christiantena.net> From: Philip Christian Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=philip.christian@christiantena.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQGiBEc41aIRBACkjMUnuHA13hQWsGYpDl0UYpnCwIvAfeBzb455Ne2pxIe4NBK4yJ0NU6Ob 2/OUFFovtT9sdbAoPu72Rt+IFQTD4d+CxRxJGrODftrYIWHWGaIpj8dViqqjyW6QBu5atVci 1YHyVHp7kjLfVvbbEtyKCrwiCR7lEnviUGTYw7nv3wCgzplLquKcaM3GS6BBWnZNfvcFYQEE AImgJWax2wx2Jwu2mZPG87HzZNnP3yYPuy6KkNgMNxfhe1NgixKBMpBc7z7iCybQUqwo5ri2 fbEN4iGMcKU40fXHlZF47IFqeYEpQfm2Em0UqIECyxVHyJs2+J3psw2mNnhR4mwvVdQS9eZU pobnRjcIRyqU9dpeTK9s1tgrH7X9A/0RrEVWyORZJPii0mi8jc3d/wGhakG5x803drVBK8A5 YB7TljczYW/qoeVYwwlWjMly6hXy3BCZBFB21nKiV3ny0vVdaWqp0d3CIVpUqlG/ff1QYap4 3/wn1KwfnrPYWQMoMbIDQoaaD5bPFHMBHwvakZIGb9LRmXM/QpK18HKKY7Q1UGhpbGlwIENo cmlzdGlhbiA8cGhpbGlwLmNocmlzdGlhbkBjaHJpc3RpYW50ZW5hLm5ldD6IYAQTEQIAIAUC RzjVogIbAwYLCQgHAwIEFQIIAwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEGxZfP6N1u19uHgAnRaflImH1Rnk BfvV9/n/vNtq3Mn2AKCRVyEd1BqTmf+9gDhVdtOzlS3wU7kBDQRHONWiAQgApzaHrBSXc7Bo Czw7CtpDd/jFk31tJ6l530YFW05GdQYCa33Smg/0K/ZtIo2eWXdHl5l4SkFVRfFZLtLnRjwt gy0jOwuc6z3ruRAnMVYpuZlxiAz5xCYBdW4hEq37Lu3H1wAcwB6IAZRgIm7HW1ds23AzSu7u zDglrdTZ8DMZJ6F25GctjMGtmonKsRqa9J9uh55lKra/hNOfN1Q3s6H99AeW2jaZWIxb1weL rXrSorux9aD9lWs5rgXcsMws5GxS7ntyamAv/PDBidnBFYeLSO0hAKKT4+9kSSRs8BCYr0Wx ZYtJKfST1GnMdyZnoVV9E7hoa88M4pjV5uvt+KJquwARAQABiQFoBBgRAgAJBQJHONWiAhsu ASkJEGxZfP6N1u19wF0gBBkBAgAGBQJHONWiAAoJEOkKAFEzHILOvvEH/3EKfR/fAX8a44Hh KV1YClWO4YyymmP1DlZcegKqqvj9tyDabV44V5HFKQwI9+F30WoBlmNdZQzC1xrjqt5ohpop 9crbMhR0uSkaFjxM2poNG9nn/IUoLI1iV+6uj36m8jsFeldO27jM8NS+gJeS0VlOyysOOcp3 f5VIJ1/cT4SFiil/Mrtzeq9dA+m3B9pXWm2UXjAaku1xFa3+T238HnBftpakzARb9EQXnhUG 8LaQiECZWOgKr7X8DRl3JIh3FclYxjN2yeRCYJLOFxhgUX06eR0VRxWOoo8JuV+ez8cv6xjv gqmgE1n5VJKqubzUal5dFHAPFylYoOAKFWclmv/oYACeON7kqQU9LZDBbSYg4FFtI+wqTX0A n0psU2ur8MPqnLBKKqCuRYR9B4m+ Message-ID: <675664c4-fa7d-cfd1-2a83-7742918b03d1@christiantena.net> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 20:21:43 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7739aa8e-6edd-c842-ac17-24b68393dd2a@christiantena.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] RFC8500 Reverse Metric and ITU-T G.7712 both using IS-IS TLV 16 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 20:21:53 -0000 sorry I meant "never", not "ever". The n totally changes the meaning.... On 08/01/2020 20:18, Philip Christian wrote: > Hello Les > > I think we all know that option 1 is what will happen because no one > cares enough to bother with 2. For the record TLV16 was assigned by > this group to autoencap at the time and the code point doc didn't exist > back then. When the code point document was then invented I asked for > TLV16 to be reserved but was rebuffed. > > The actual fact is that it probably doesn't matter because if anyone was > stupid enough to bridge a SONET/SDH IS-IS network to a modern IP router > network it would probably spectacularly explode anyway, and because I > suspect (but not 100% sure) that an autoencap network was ever actually > built. > > So it just becomes a little piece of history and probably of no importance. > > You never know when a similar scenario might happen in another > technology area though (one protocol, multiple standards orgs?) and so I > hope a little reminder is more valuable than annoying. Maybe it isn't :-; > > regards, Philip > > > On 08/01/2020 19:46, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: >> Philip - >> >> Always good to renew our acquaintance. >> >> As the format of the TLV itself is different between Reverse Metric and Auto-Encap, simply reserving a sub-TLV code-point for Auto-Encap isn't sufficient. >> >> Suggesting that one form of the TLV be used in IIHs(Reverse Metric) and another in LSPs(Autoencap) is a creative solution - but I think we could both agree this is a hack and less than desirable. >> >> I think realistically there are two paths which can be followed - the need for either of them is of course dependent on the existence of deployments of auto-encap. >> >> 1)Auto-encap can continue to use TLV 16 so long as it never has to coexist with Reverse metric. >> It does so understanding that it is using a proprietary codepoint which has not been standardized. >> (Apologies to anyone in the ITU whom I have just offended.) >> >> 2)If there is sufficient justification, ITU would need to apply for a new codepoint which could be added to the IANA registry. >> Existing implementations of auto-encap would need to introduce support for transition from the proprietary codepoint to the standard codepoint. >> >> I respect your tireless advocacy for this functionality, but I think there needs to be some larger consensus before Option #2 could be considered. >> >> Does this seem like a fair summary of options? >> >> Les >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Philip Christian >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 11:08 AM >>> To: tony.li@tony.li >>> Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; >>> chopps@chopps.org; hannes@rtbrick.com >>> Subject: Re: [Lsr] RFC8500 Reverse Metric and ITU-T G.7712 both using IS-IS >>> TLV 16 >>> >>> [quote]they never filed anything with LSR (or IS-IS or IANA)[/quote] >>> In my defense I did try. >>> >>> I also notice that Reverse Metric seems to use TLV 16 only in IIH and >>> that G.7712 only uses it in LSPs. >>> >>> regards, Philip >>> >>> On 08/01/2020 19:01, tony.li@tony.li wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:55 AM, Philip Christian >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> In my opinion the safest thing to do would be to update the IANA TLV >>>>> codepoint document and under the section "Sub-TLVs for TLV 16 (Reverse >>>>> Metric TLV)" simply mark subTLV 1 as something like "used in ITU G.7712". >>>> >>>> >>>> This seems like it would bust every single implementation of reverse >>> metric. >>>> >>>> Given that you can’t find an implementation of Automatic Encapsulation >>>> and they never >>>> filed anything with LSR (or IS-IS or IANA), why would we do that? >>>> >>>> Seems to me like this is a problem for Automatic Encapsulation folks to >>>> figure out… >>>> >>>> Tony >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lsr mailing list >> Lsr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >> > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > From nobody Wed Jan 8 13:58:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E2112010C for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:58:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4uXeQ_5CGsfW for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DC6812003E for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 4DDC8F40751; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:58:10 -0800 (PST) To: jmoy@casc.com, db3546@att.com, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, akr@cisco.com, acee@cisco.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: mbustani@gmail.com, lsr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20200108215810.4DDC8F40751@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:58:10 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC2328 (5956) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 21:58:42 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC2328, "OSPF Version 2". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5956 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Marcelo Bustani Section: 12.4.1 Original Text ------------- Router-LSAs If the state of the interface is Loopback, add a Type 3 link (stub network) as long as this is not an interface to an unnumbered point-to-point network. The Link ID should be set to the IP interface address, the Link Data set to the mask 0xffffffff (indicating a host route), and the cost set to 0. =================================== 12.4.1.4. Describing Point-to-MultiPoint interfaces For operational Point-to-MultiPoint interfaces, one or more link descriptions are added to the router-LSA as follows: o A single Type 3 link (stub network) is added with Link ID set to the router's own IP interface address, Link Data set to the mask 0xffffffff (indicating a host route), and cost set to 0. ============================================================================= C.3 Router interface parameters Interface output cost The cost of sending a packet on the interface, expressed in the link state metric. This is advertised as the link cost for this interface in the router's router-LSA. The interface output cost must always be greater than 0. Corrected Text -------------- "cost set to 0" to at least "greater than 0" Notes ----- The section 12.4.1 and 12.4.1.4 are inconsistent with the appendix c.3. These both section we find the cost to stub networks have to be set to 0, but in appendix c.3 we see that the interfaces must have greater than 0. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC2328 (no draft string recorded) -------------------------------------- Title : OSPF Version 2 Publication Date : April 1998 Author(s) : J. 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X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2020 17:17:13 -0000 =C2=A0Dear Authors: Happy New Year! I have finished reading this document, reviewing the e-mail archive and all the various reviews and comments. =C2=A0Quoting one of the authors, "it is essential that the two IGPs provide equivalent functionality" [1] -- so I have considered draft-ietf-isis-te-app-09 in parallel with this one (I'm sending out a separate yet very similar review for it). In general, I think both drafts need some work. =C2=A0When appropriate, I have used "[c]" to highlight comparisons. =C2=A0I tried to put equivalent comments in both documents, but may have missed a few... I have some significant concerns (see details inline) about this document -- and as a result about the ISIS draft. =C2=A0I want to point out a couple of them here: (A) Deployment Considerations This document contains what I would characterize as a "distributed" Deployment Considerations section through =C2=A78, =C2=A79 and =C2=A710. = =C2=A0There is a lot of content, but I still made some comments inline about other important information. =C2=A0Please consider consolidating all the deployment-related information in one place. =C2=A0rfc5706 (specially =C2= =A72) may be useful, please take a look. [c] This document does not include equivalent information to what is in =C2=A77.* in the ISIS draft. =C2=A0Please consider "importing" it (or at least making a reference). (B) I was able to identify one significant functional difference which warrants a discussion of the reason for it and maybe the pros/cons: =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A73 talks about the behavior when "both SABM Length and UD= ABM Length are 0". =C2=A0 =C2=A0This document makes the use of the attributes mandatory by all= applications =C2=A0 =C2=A0(in conflict with =C2=A78.2) while the ISIS draft makes their = use optional (=C2=A74.1). I will wait for this review to be addressed before moving both documents forward together. Thanks! Alvaro. [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ospf/7zkoaLfUe19JxTOWaKWO51wK9gg [Line numbers from idnits.] ... 16 Abstract 18 =C2=A0 Various link attributes have been defined in OSPF in the context= of 19 =C2=A0 the MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) and GMPLS. =C2=A0Since the ori= ginal 20 =C2=A0 RSVP-TE use case was defined, additional applications (e.g., SRT= E, 21 =C2=A0 LFA) have been defined which also make use of the link attribute 22 =C2=A0 advertisements. =C2=A0This document defines how to distribute li= nk 23 =C2=A0 attributes in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 for applications other than MPLS= TE 24 =C2=A0 or GMPLS. [c] This abstract is a lot more general, while the ISIS one provides more specifics, including talking about RSVP-TE instead of MPLS TE... [minor] It may not be obvious to all readers what the relationship is between RSVP-TE and =C2=A0MPLS TE... ... 89 1. =C2=A0Introduction 91 =C2=A0 Various link attributes have been defined in OSPFv2 [RFC2328] an= d 92 =C2=A0 OSPFv3 [RFC5340] in the context of the MPLS TE and GMPLS. =C2=A0= All these 93 =C2=A0 attributes are distributed by OSPFv2 as sub-TLVs of the Link-TLV 94 =C2=A0 advertised in the OSPFv2 TE Opaque LSA [RFC3630]. =C2=A0In OSPFv= 3, they 95 =C2=A0 are distributed as sub-TLVs of the Link-TLV advertised in the OS= PFv3 96 =C2=A0 Intra-Area-TE-LSA as defined in [RFC5329]. [nit] s/defined in OSPFv2/defined for OSPFv2 [nit] s/context of the MPLS/context of MPLS [minor] "All these attributes..." =C2=A0Which attributes? =C2=A0I'm sure th= e references are made later, but since they are mentioned here first, please put references here. =C2=A0[[c] The ISIS draft mentions the relevant RFCs from the start.] 98 =C2=A0 Many of these link attributes are useful outside of traditional = MPLS 99 =C2=A0 Traffic Engineering or GMPLS. =C2=A0This brings its own set of p= roblems, 100 =C2=A0 in particular how to distribute these link attributes in OSPFv2= and 101 =C2=A0 OSPFv3 when MPLS TE and GMPLS are not deployed or are deployed = in 102 =C2=A0 parallel with other applications that use these link attributes= . [nit] "own set of problems" =C2=A0Are there others you want to highlight besides the distribution? [minor] What is an application? =C2=A0I think I can tell the difference between an "application", as used in this document, and an "application" as what the ART area does: "The ART area develops application protocols and architectures in the IETF." [1] =C2=A0Please define what an application is in the context of this document. [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/art/about/ [major] Related to applications... =C2=A0"distinction between link attributes used by TE and link attributes used by other OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 applications" [=C2=A72.1] =C2=A0Some of the other applications menti= oned (SRTE, for example) are also related to Traffic Engineering, so the general use of TE and non-TE as a distinction is very confusing and seems to assume the type of applications that can use the alternate advertisement are limited to "non-TE" -- but I'm sure that is not the objective. =C2=A0Please be clear in the use of general terms like TE. [c] The ISIS draft seems to be more careful/explicit when pointing out the difference. [nit] s/distribute these link attributes...with other applications that use these link attributes./distribute these link attributes...with other applications that may use them. ... 124 1.1. =C2=A0Requirements notation 126 =C2=A0 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL N= OT", 127 =C2=A0 "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in= this 128 =C2=A0 document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]. [major] Use the rfc8174 template. [c] Before starting with the solution, the ISIS draft has a section ("Legacy Advertisements") that talks about the current state. =C2=A0I thought that was very helpful. =C2=A0An equivalent section in this case would review (or at least point to) RFC3630, RFC5329, RFC7471, RFC7684, RFC8362... ... 136 2.1. =C2=A0OSPFv2 Extended Link Opaque LSA and OSPFv3 E-Router-LSA 138 =C2=A0 Extended Link Opaque LSAs as defined in [RFC7684] for OSPFv2 an= d 139 =C2=A0 Extended Router-LSAs [RFC8362] for OSPFv3 are used to advertise= link 140 =C2=A0 attributes that are used by applications other then MPLS TE or = GMPLS. 141 =C2=A0 These LSAs were defined as a generic containers for distributio= n of 142 =C2=A0 the extended link attributes. =C2=A0There are several advantage= s in using 143 =C2=A0 them: 145 =C2=A0 1. =C2=A0Advertisement of the link attributes does not make the= link part 146 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 of the TE topology. =C2=A0It avoids any conflicts= and is fully 147 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 compatible with [RFC3630] and [RFC5329]. 149 =C2=A0 2. =C2=A0The OSPFv2 TE Opaque LSA and OSPFv3 Intra-Area-TE-LSA = remains 150 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 truly opaque to OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 as originally d= efined in 151 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [RFC3630] and [RFC5329] respectively. =C2=A0Their= contents are not 152 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 inspected by OSPF, that acts as a pure transport. 154 =C2=A0 3. =C2=A0There is clear distinction between link attributes use= d by TE and 155 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 link attributes used by other OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 ap= plications. [major] "used by TE" is ambiguous because SRTE, for example, is a form of TE. =C2=A0Note that the TE term is used extensively throughout the document...and it may cause that same type of confusion. =C2=A0The same applies for the mention of "non-TE" later on... =C2=A0Please be explicit and don't simply use TE/non-TE, but as necessary qualify the use. 157 =C2=A0 4. =C2=A0All link attributes that are used by other application= s are 158 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 advertised in a single LSA, the Extended Link Opa= que LSA in 159 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 OSPFv2 or the OSPFv3 E-Router-LSA [RFC8362] in OS= PFv3. 161 =C2=A0 The disadvantage of this approach is that in rare cases, the sa= me 162 =C2=A0 link attribute is advertised in both the TE Opaque and Extended= Link 163 =C2=A0 Attribute LSAs in OSPFv2 or the Intra-Area-TE-LSA and E-Router-= LSA in 164 =C2=A0 OSPFv3. =C2=A0Additionally, there will be additional standardiz= ation 165 =C2=A0 effort. =C2=A0However, this could also be viewed as an advantag= e as the 166 =C2=A0 non-TE use cases for the TE link attributes are documented and 167 =C2=A0 validated by the LSR working group. [minor] "...both the TE Opaque and Extended Link Attribute LSAs in OSPFv2 or the Intra-Area-TE-LSA and E-Router-LSA in OSPFv3." =C2=A0It might be good to introduce (maybe in the =C2=A72 introduction) how the information is advertised today so that this makes sense to the casual reader. [nit] "Additionally, there will be additional standardization effort." =C2=A0Not really a technical argument... =C2=A0Hopefully when attributes ar= e standardized in one case they will at the same time standardized for using the alternate advertisement mechanism. [major] "non-TE use cases" =C2=A0Same comment as above: SRTE is a form of TE. =C2=A0Please either be specific and use MPLS TE/RSVP-TE, or clearly define the terms somewhere so that readers understand that non-TE still includes TE mechanisms like SRTE... [nit] The last sentence is unnecessary.. =C2=A0The registration policy for the registries is set at "IETF Review or IESG Approval", which means that any RFC from any WG would be ok to register a new value (IETF Review), and that there may even exist cases when an RFC is not needed (IESG Approval)...and there are also ranges for Experimental Use and FCFS. =C2=A0IOW, there is no guarantee that new attributes, or even the rehashing of existing ones for "non-TE use cases" will even go through the IETF, much less the lsr WG. 169 =C2=A0 Extended Link Opaque LSA [RFC7684] and E-Router-LSA [RFC8362] a= re 170 =C2=A0 used to advertise any link attributes used for non-TE applicati= ons in 171 =C2=A0 OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 respectively, including those that have been 172 =C2=A0 originally defined for TE applications. [minor] Please include a forward reference to =C2=A74 somewhere. [nit] This is the 3rd time that you mention this... 174 =C2=A0 TE link attributes used for RSVP-TE/GMPLS continue to use OSPFv= 2 TE 175 =C2=A0 Opaque LSA [RFC3630] and OSPFv3 Intra-Area-TE-LSA [RFC5329]. [nit] Also mentioned above... 177 =C2=A0 The format of the link attribute TLVs that have been defined fo= r TE 178 =C2=A0 applications will be kept unchanged even when they are used for= non- 179 =C2=A0 TE applications. =C2=A0Unique code points will be allocated for= these TE 180 =C2=A0 link attribute TLVs from the OSPFv2 Extended Link TLV Sub-TLV 181 =C2=A0 Registry [RFC7684] and from the OSPFv3 Extended LSA Sub-TLV Reg= istry 182 =C2=A0 [RFC8362]. =C2=A0For each reused TLV, the code point will be de= fined in an 183 =C2=A0 IETF document along with the expected use-case(s). [minor] s/Unique code points will be allocated.../Unique code points are allocated... Please also add a pointer to the IANA Considerations section here. [major] "For each reused TLV, the code point will be defined in an IETF document along with the expected use-case(s)." =C2=A0It sounds as if the intent of this sentence is to set a requirement for future work. However, as I mentioned above, the Registration Policy defined for the registries don't support asking for any type of IETF documentation. 185 3. =C2=A0Advertisement of Application Specific Values 187 =C2=A0 To allow advertisement of the application specific values of th= e link 188 =C2=A0 attribute, a new Application Specific Link Attributes (ASLA) su= b-TLV 189 =C2=A0 is defined. =C2=A0The ASLA sub-TLV is a sub-TLV of the OSPFv2 E= xtended 190 =C2=A0 Link TLV [RFC7471] and OSPFv3 Router-Link TLV [RFC8362]. [minor] s/RFC7471/RFC7684 ... 221 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SABM Length: Standard Application Identifier Bit-M= ask Length. =C2=A0It 222 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0MUST be a multiple of 4 bytes. =C2=A0If the Standa= rd Application Bit- 223 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Mask is not present, the Standard Application Bit-= Mask Length MUST 224 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0be set to 0. [c] The ISIS draft defines the L-flag to indicate that the "applications listed...MUST use the legacy advertisements". =C2=A0There is no equivalent functionality here. =C2=A0Please see my comments about this in =C2=A74.1 (of the ISIS draft). ... 231 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Standard Application Identifier Bit-Mask: Optional= set of bits, 232 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0where each bit represents a single standard applic= ation. =C2=A0Bits are 233 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0defined in [I-D.ietf-isis-te-app], which also requ= est a new IANA 234 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Link Attribute Applications" registry under "Inte= rior Gateway 235 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Protocol (IGP) Parameters" for them. =C2=A0The bit= s are repeated here 236 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0for informational purpose: [minor] s/Bits are defined in [I-D.ietf-isis-te-app], which also request a new IANA "Link Attribute Applications" registry under "Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) Parameters" for them./Bits are defined in [I-D.ietf-isis-te-app]. 238 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bit-0 (R-bit): RSVP TE [nit] s/RSVP TE/RSVP-TE 240 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bit-1 (S-bit): Segment Routing TE 242 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bit-2 (F-bit): Loop Free Alternate (LFA). = =C2=A0Includes all LFA 243 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 types [just wondering] Given that we're trying to future-proof... =C2=A0Can there be cases where the link attributes for "normal" LFA, vs Remote LFA (for example) might need to be different? =C2=A0Considering that part of the justification for this work is the need to potentially advertise different attributes per application, and given that the question "what is meant by LFA?" came up more than once on the mailing list, I guess the answer might be yes (at least for some use cases). =C2=A0Knowing that the user has their own bits to play with, I'm sure they can accommodate if the need comes up. =C2=A0 Just thinking out loud... ... 248 =C2=A0 Standard Application Identifier Bits are defined/sent starting = with 249 =C2=A0 Bit 0. =C2=A0Additional bit definitions that are defined in the= future 250 =C2=A0 SHOULD be assigned in ascending bit order so as to minimize the 251 =C2=A0 number of octets that will need to be transmitted. [major] "Additional bit definitions that may be defined in the future SHOULD be assigned in ascending bit order so as to minimize the number of octets that will need to be transmitted." =C2=A0This statement about assignment belongs in the IANA Consideration section as part of the instructions to IANA on how to manage the space. [major] When would it be ok for IANA not to assign the values in order? =C2=A0IOW, why is that a SHOULD and not a MUST? [minor] Given the intent to minimize the transmissions, should there be a statement standardizing that behavior? =C2=A0I'm thinking of something like: "In order to minimize the number of octets transmitted, the sender SHOULD/MUST (?) transmit only the minimum necessary amount of information..." =C2=A0IOW, the assignment policy, and the ability to advertise the *ABM Length is useless unless the sender takes advantage of it. 253 =C2=A0 User Defined Application Identifier Bits have no relationship t= o 254 =C2=A0 Standard Application bits and are NOT managed by IANA or any ot= her 255 =C2=A0 standards body. =C2=A0It is recommended that bits are used star= ting with 256 =C2=A0 Bit 0 so as to minimize the number of octets required to advert= ise 257 =C2=A0 all of them. [nit] "all of them", what? =C2=A0s/all of them/any User Defined Application= s. 259 =C2=A0 Undefined bits in both Bit-Masks MUST be transmitted as 0 and M= UST be 260 =C2=A0 ignored on receipt. =C2=A0Bits that are NOT transmitted MUST be= treated as 261 =C2=A0 if they are set to 0 on receipt. [major] "Undefined bits MUST be transmitted as 0 and MUST be ignored on receipt." =C2=A0What if the sender and the receiver support a different set of applications? =C2=A0For example, suppose that the sender supports a new application identified by the N-bit, and sets only that bit; the receiver treats the N-bit as unknown (=3D undefined) and ignores it. The result is that, for the receiver, there seems to be no indication of an application. =C2=A0Is "no application" a valid indication, or should at least one bit always be set? Note that below the case is presented for when "neither the Standard Application Bits nor the User Defined Application bits are set (i.e., both SABM Length and UDABM Length are 0)", but the condition is different because the bits are not present (see my comment below). [minor] Following on the previous comment... =C2=A0It seems that a requirement is for the routers/nodes in the domain to agree on the meaning of the bits: support the same Standard Applications and interpret the User Defined bit mask the same way. =C2=A0Please add this type of information to the potential new Deployment Considerations Section. [nit] "Bits that are NOT transmitted MUST be..." =C2=A0While I understand what you mean, having Normative language for the behavior of things that are not received doesn't seem appropriate. =C2=A0How about something like this: "Any omitted bits MUST be..."? ... 271 =C2=A0 The advantage of not making the Application Bit-Masks part of t= he 272 =C2=A0 attribute advertisement itself is that we can keep the format o= f the 273 =C2=A0 link attributes that have been defined previously and reuse the= same 274 =C2=A0 format when advertising them in the ASLA sub-TLV. [nit] s/we can keep the format of the link attributes that have been defined previously and reuse the same format when advertising them in the ASLA sub-TLV./the format of any previously defined link attributes can be kept and reused when advertising them in the ASLA sub-TLV. 276 =C2=A0 When neither the Standard Application Bits nor the User Defined 277 =C2=A0 Application bits are set (i.e., both SABM Length and UDABM Leng= th are 278 =C2=A0 0) in the ASLA sub-TLV, then the link attributes included in it= MUST 279 =C2=A0 be considered as being applicable to all applications. [major] s/bits are set/bits are present "set" gives the impression of them being "1"; it's different to have them all be 0 than to have then not be there. [major] The specification of what to do when "both SABM Length and UDABM Length are 0" is inconsistent with =C2=A78.2. =C2=A0Please specify th= e behavior only once. [c] The ISIS draft leaves open the possibility for applications to use the attributes while this document makes it mandatory. I think this is a significant functional difference. 281 =C2=A0 If, however, another advertisement of the same link attribute 282 =C2=A0 includes any Application Bit-Mask in the ASLA sub-TLV, applicat= ions 283 =C2=A0 that are listed in the Application Bit-Masks of such ASLA sub-T= LV 284 =C2=A0 SHOULD use the attribute advertisement which has the applicatio= n 285 =C2=A0 specific bit set in the Application Bit-Masks. 287 =C2=A0 If the same application is listed in the Application Bit-Masks = of 288 =C2=A0 more then one ASLA sub-TLV, the application SHOULD use the firs= t 289 =C2=A0 advertisement and ignore any subsequent advertisements of the s= ame 290 =C2=A0 attribute. =C2=A0This situation SHOULD be logged as an error. [major] For the first two SHOULDs (in the last two paragraphs: "SHOULD use the attribute advertisement" and "SHOULD use the first advertisement"). =C2=A0When is it ok to not do as specified? =C2=A0For exam= ple, are there specific considerations related to not selecting the first advertisement? =C2=A0Why would a receiver not use the attribute advertisement which has the application specific bit set? =C2=A0IOW, why are these not MUSTs? 292 =C2=A0 This document defines the initial set of link attributes that M= UST 293 =C2=A0 use ASLA sub-TLV if advertised in the OSPFv2 Extended Link TLV = or in 294 =C2=A0 the OSPFv3 Router-Link TLV. =C2=A0If the ASLA sub-TLV includes = any link 295 =C2=A0 attribute(s) NOT listed below, they MUST be ignored. =C2=A0Docu= ments which 296 =C2=A0 define new link attributes MUST state whether the new attribute= s 297 =C2=A0 support application specific values and as such MUST be adverti= sed in 298 =C2=A0 an ASLA sub-TLV. =C2=A0The link attributes that MUST be adverti= sed in ASLA 299 =C2=A0 sub-TLVs are: [nit] s/use ASLA sub-TLV/use the ASLA sub-TLV [major] "initial set of link attributes that MUST use [the] ASLA sub-TLV if advertised..." =C2=A0 =C2=A0The second paragraph in this section= says that "ASLA sub-TLV is an optional sub-TLV" -- that is a true statement. =C2=A0However, the ASLA sub-TLV is (according to this paragraph) mandatory when the link attributes are used. Suggestion (for the second paragraph)> =C2=A0 =C2=A0The ASLA sub-TLV is an optional sub-TLV and can appear multipl= e times in the =C2=A0 =C2=A0OSPFv2 Extended Link TLV and OSPFv3 Router-Link TLV. =C2=A0It = MUST be present if =C2=A0 =C2=A0any of the link attributes listed at the end on this section a= re =C2=A0 =C2=A0advertised. =C2=A0It has the following format: 301 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Shared Risk Link Group 303 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Unidirectional Link Delay 305 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Min/Max Unidirectional Link Delay 307 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Unidirectional Delay Variation 309 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Unidirectional Link Loss 311 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth 313 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Unidirectional Available Bandwidth 315 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Unidirectional Utilized Bandwidth 317 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Administrative Group 319 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Extended Administrative Group 321 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- TE Metric [minor] =C2=A0Please include references for the definition of these attribu= tes. 323 4. =C2=A0Reused TE link attributes 325 =C2=A0 This section defines the use case and code points from the OSPF= v2 326 =C2=A0 Extended Link TLV Sub-TLV Registry and OSPFv3 Extended LSA Sub-= TLV 327 =C2=A0 Registry for some of the link attributes that have been origina= lly 328 =C2=A0 defined for TE or GMPLS. [minor] "defines the...code points" =C2=A0The code points are assigned/defined by IANA later on.. =C2=A0 Perhaps: "This section defines the use cases and indicates the code points (see Section 12)..." ... 408 4.4. =C2=A0TE Metric 410 =C2=A0 [RFC3630] defines TE Metric. [minor] rfc3630 calls it "Traffic Engineering Metric" ... 417 5. =C2=A0Maximum Link Bandwidth [nit] Include the application independent attributes in a single section -- a sub-section each. 419 =C2=A0 Maximum link bandwidth is an application independent attribute = of the 420 =C2=A0 link that is defined in [RFC3630]. =C2=A0Because it is an appli= cation 421 =C2=A0 independent attribute, it MUST NOT be advertised in ASLA sub-TL= V. 422 =C2=A0 Instead, it MAY be advertised as a sub-TLV of the Extended Link 423 =C2=A0 Opaque LSA Extended Link TLV in OSPFv2 [RFC7684] or sub-TLV of = OSPFv3 424 =C2=A0 E-Router-LSA Router-Link TLV in OSPFv3 [RFC8362]. [minor] I understand why the "Maximum link bandwidth is an application independent attribute of the link". =C2=A0But I am having a harder time understanding why other bandwidth-related metrics (specifically Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth, Unidirectional Available Bandwidth and Unidirectional Utilized Bandwidth) are not treated the same way. A similar question was raised on the list and the treatment was justified in order to support use cases where the bandwidth is managed per application [1]. =C2=A0I don't want to revisit the discussion here about the treatment, but it is important for the reader to understand the existence of those use cases. =C2=A0Please add a paragraph or two talking about the consideration. [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ospf/xl8HWDeQqYNcv_X_568-xv6rfvk [minor] This attribute and other bandwidth-related ones are prone to interaction as multiple applications may want to use the resources. While the use of the resources is out of scope, it would be helpful to include that type of information in a Deployment Considerations section. [c] A related point was made when reviewing the ISIS draft [1]. [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/isis-wg/2M2pho1EZcVTkOOQssLQUVO0H= Y4 ... [minor][c] The ISIS draft also calls out the Maximum Reservable Link Bandwidth and Unreserved Bandwidth as attributes specific to RSVP-TE...but this document doesn't [=C2=A74.2.2]. =C2=A0Why? =C2=A0I think= the answer has to do with this text from =C2=A72.1: =C2=A0 =C2=A0TE link attributes used for RSVP-TE/GMPLS continue to use OSPF= v2 TE =C2=A0 =C2=A0Opaque LSA [RFC3630] and OSPFv3 Intra-Area-TE-LSA [RFC5329]. Is that correct? If so, it wasn't completely clear to me that the sub-TLVs defined in rfc3630 and rfc5329 continue to be advertised when using RSVP-TE/GMPLS. - It might be worth including stronger wording in =C2=A72.1. - Given that some of the sub-TLVs (from rfc3630 and rfc5329) are reused (=C2=A74.3 through =C2=A77), maybe it is worth providing some guidan= ce on not using those if RSVP-TE is the only application, or avoiding their inclusion in the original LSAs. 434 6. =C2=A0Local Interface IPv6 Address Sub-TLV [major] The Local/Remote Interface IPv6 Address Sub-TLVs (rfc5329) can include multiple addresses for a link. =C2=A0It seems to me that it could be possible for different applications to use different addresses. =C2=A0If that is the case, then it seems that these sub-TLVs should not be application independent. =C2=A0Why are they not considered to be application specific? [minor] Why are IPv4 addresses not considered? ... 460 8.1. =C2=A0Use of TE LSA Advertisements [c] I made the same comments in =C2=A75.1 of the ISIS draft. 462 =C2=A0 Bit Identifers for Standard Applications are defined in Section= 3. 463 =C2=A0 All of the identifiers defined in this document are associated = with 464 =C2=A0 applications which were already deployed in some networks prior= to 465 =C2=A0 the writing of this document. =C2=A0Therefore, such application= s have been 466 =C2=A0 deployed using the TE LSA advertisements. =C2=A0The Standard Ap= plications 467 =C2=A0 defined in this document MAY continue to use TE LSA advertiseme= nts 468 =C2=A0 for a given link so long as at least one of the following condi= tions 469 =C2=A0 is true: [nit] s/Identifers/Identifiers [major] Even if specifying the behavior for the Standard Applications, this document cannot Normatively specify anything affecting the case where "applications have been deployed using the legacy advertisements". =C2=A0s/MAY/may [] I think that the text in this section can be generalized to any application, not just ones defined in this document. =C2=A0s/The Standard Applications defined in this document MAY continue/The Standard Applications may continue 471 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The application is RSVP-TE 473 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The application is SRTE or LFA and RSVP-TE is not = deployed 474 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0anywhere in the network 476 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The application is SRTE or LFA, RSVP-TE is deploye= d in the 477 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0network, and both the set of links on which SRTE a= nd/or LFA 478 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0advertisements are required and the attribute valu= es used by SRTE 479 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and/or LFA on all such links is fully congruent wi= th the links and 480 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0attribute values used by RSVP-TE [] To generalize: =C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0A single application is deployed in the network =C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0Multiple applications are deployed in the network and = all the links and =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 attribute values are fully congruent between them. 482 =C2=A0 Under the conditions defined above, implementations which suppo= rt the 483 =C2=A0 extensions defined in this document have the choice of using TE= LSA 484 =C2=A0 advertisements or application specific advertisements in suppor= t of 485 =C2=A0 SRTE and/or LFA. =C2=A0This will require implementations to pro= vide 486 =C2=A0 controls specifying which type of advertisements are to be sent= / 487 =C2=A0 processed on receive for these applications. =C2=A0Further disc= ussion of 488 =C2=A0 the associated issues can be found in Section 10. [] To generalize: s/in support of SRTE and/or LFA/in support of other applications 490 =C2=A0 New applications which future documents define to make use of t= he 491 =C2=A0 advertisements defined in this document MUST NOT make use of TE= LSA 492 =C2=A0 advertisements. [major] Why not? =C2=A0Just as the cases above, the application may run my itself on the network, and/or the attributes may be fully congruent. 494 8.2. =C2=A0Use of Zero Length Application Identifier Bit Masks [minor] This section is partially redundant with the behavior specified in =C2=A73. =C2=A0Please make the specification only once. 496 =C2=A0 If link attributes are advertised associated with zero length 497 =C2=A0 Application Identifier Bit-Masks for both standard applications= and 498 =C2=A0 user defined applications, then that set of link attributes MAY= be 499 =C2=A0 used by any application. =C2=A0If support for a new application= is 500 =C2=A0 introduced on any node in a network in the presence of such 501 =C2=A0 advertisements, these advertisements MAY be used by the new 502 =C2=A0 application. =C2=A0If this is not what is intended, then existi= ng 503 =C2=A0 advertisements MUST be readvertised with an explicit set of 504 =C2=A0 applications specified before a new application is introduced. [major] s/MAY be used/may be used It is just a statement of fact... 506 9. =C2=A0Attribute Advertisements and Enablement [c] This section is pretty much the same in both drafts. =C2=A0Consider making the specification only once (maybe in the ISIS draft -- because the applications are defined there) and then referencing it. =C2=A0Note the generalization comment below. ... 517 =C2=A0 In the case of RSVP-TE, the advertisement of application specif= ic 518 =C2=A0 link attributes implies that RSVP is enabled on that link. =C2= =A0The 519 =C2=A0 absence of RSVP-TE application specific link attributes in 520 =C2=A0 combination with the absence of legacy advertisements implies t= hat 521 =C2=A0 RSVP is NOT enabled on that link. [minor] Specifying by implication sounds confusing to me. =C2=A0Can we come up with Normative language to accompany the text above? Suggestion> =C2=A0 =C2=A0The R-bit in the SABM MUST be set only if RSVP is enabled on t= he =C2=A0 =C2=A0corresponding link. =C2=A0All RSVP-enabled links MUST have a c= orresponding link =C2=A0 =C2=A0attributes advertisement. 523 =C2=A0 In the case of SRTE, advertisement of application specific link 524 =C2=A0 attributes does NOT indicate enablement of SRTE. =C2=A0The adve= rtisements 525 =C2=A0 are only used to support constraints which may be applied when 526 =C2=A0 specifying an explicit path. =C2=A0SRTE is implicitly enabled o= n all links 527 =C2=A0 which are part of the Segment Routing enabled topology independ= ent of 528 =C2=A0 the existence of link attribute advertisements. 530 =C2=A0 In the case of LFA, advertisement of application specific link 531 =C2=A0 attributes does NOT indicate enablement of LFA on that link. 532 =C2=A0 Enablement is controlled by local configuration. 534 =C2=A0 If, in the future, additional standard applications are defined= to 535 =C2=A0 use this mechanism, the specification defining this use MUST de= fine 536 =C2=A0 the relationship between application specific link attribute 537 =C2=A0 advertisements and enablement for that application. [] To generalize: Suggestion> =C2=A0 =C2=A0For Standard Applications, advertisement of application specif= ic link =C2=A0 =C2=A0attributes does NOT indicate enablement of the application on = that link. =C2=A0If =C2=A0 =C2=A0additional Standard Applications are defined with a different = enablement =C2=A0 =C2=A0expectation, then the corresponding specification MUST define = the alternate =C2=A0 =C2=A0relationship between application specific link attribute adver= tisements and =C2=A0 =C2=A0enablement for that application. 539 =C2=A0 This document allows the advertisement of application specific = link 540 =C2=A0 attributes with no application identifiers i.e., both the Stand= ard 541 =C2=A0 Application Identifier Bit-Mask and the User Defined Applicatio= n Bit 542 =C2=A0 Mask are not present (See Section 3). =C2=A0This supports the u= se of the 543 =C2=A0 link attribute by any application. =C2=A0In the presence of an = application 544 =C2=A0 where the advertisement of link attribute advertisements is use= d to 545 =C2=A0 infer the enablement of an application on that link (e.g., RSVP= -TE), 546 =C2=A0 the absence of the Application Identifier leaves ambiguous whet= her 547 =C2=A0 that application is enabled on such a link. =C2=A0This needs to= be 548 =C2=A0 considered when making use of the "any application" encoding. [major] What does the use of the "any application" encoding say about RSVP-TE? =C2=A0My interpretation is that if RSVP-TE is used, then the "any application" encoding can't be used. =C2=A0Is that correct? =C2=A0Please be specific. 550 10. =C2=A0Backward Compatibility [major] This section talks about the case where legacy advertisements are already in use. =C2=A0This document cannot Normatively define what those deployments do, because by definition they are not necessarily implementing this specification. =C2=A0IOW, phrases like "OSPF routers in that domain SHOULD continue to advertise" are out of place. [] Instead of trying to fix the text, I believe that the =C2=A78.1 already covers the scenarios discussed here. =C2=A0Also, please consider "importing" the 7.* sub-sections from the ISIS draft. ... 556 =C2=A0 In fact, there is at least one OSPF implementation that utilize= s the 557 =C2=A0 link attributes advertised in TE Opaque LSAs [RFC3630] for Non-= RSVP 558 =C2=A0 TE applications. =C2=A0For example, this implementation of LFA = and remote 559 =C2=A0 LFA utilizes links attributes such as Shared Risk Link Groups (= SRLG) 560 =C2=A0 [RFC4203] and Admin Group [[RFC3630] advertised in TE Opaque LS= As. 561 =C2=A0 These applications are described in [RFC5286], [RFC7490], [RFC7= 916] 562 =C2=A0 and [RFC8102]. [nit] s/Non-RSVP TE/Non-RSVP-TE 564 =C2=A0 When an OSPF routing domain includes routers using link attribu= tes 565 =C2=A0 from the OSPFv2 TE Opaque LSAs or the OSPFv3 Intra-Area-TE-LSA = for 566 =C2=A0 Non-RSVP TE applications defined in this document (i.e. =C2=A0S= RTE and 567 =C2=A0 LFA), OSPF routers in that domain SHOULD continue to advertise = such 568 =C2=A0 OSPFv2 TE Opaque LSAs or the OSPFv3 Intra-Area-TE-LSA. =C2=A0In= such a 569 =C2=A0 deployment, the advertised attributes SHOULD be the same and No= n- 570 =C2=A0 RSVP application access to link attributes is a matter of local 571 =C2=A0 policy. [nit] s/Non-RSVP TE/Non-RSVP-TE [nit] s/Non-RSVP/Non-RSVP-TE 573 =C2=A0 When advertising link-attributes for any new applications other= then 574 =C2=A0 RSVP-TE, SRTE or LFA, OSPF routers MUST NOT use TE Opaque LSA o= r 575 =C2=A0 OSPFv3 Intra-Area-TE-LSA. =C2=A0Instead, advertisement in the O= SPFv2 576 =C2=A0 Extended Link Attributes LSAs or OSPFv3 E-Router-LSA MUST be us= ed. [major] (A similar statement was made in =C2=A78.1.) =C2=A0Why? =C2=A0Just = as the cases from =C2=A78.1, the application may run my itself on the network, and/or the attributes may be fully congruent. 578 =C2=A0 It is RECOMMENDED to advertise link-attributes for RSVP-TE in t= he 579 =C2=A0 existing TE LSAs. [major] When is it ok to not do so? =C2=A0IOW, why isn't it "REQUIRED"? I'm asking this question as a matter of process, but the conditions laid out in =C2=A78.1 seems to already answer the question. =C2=A0As I ment= ioned above, the cases in this section seem to already be covered in =C2=A78.1. 581 11. =C2=A0Security Considerations ... 591 =C2=A0 Implementations MUST assure that malformed TLV and Sub-TLV defi= ned in 592 =C2=A0 this document are detected and do not provide a vulnerability f= or 593 =C2=A0 attackers to crash the OSPF router or routing process. =C2=A0Re= ception of 594 =C2=A0 a malformed TLV or Sub-TLV SHOULD be counted and/or logged for 595 =C2=A0 further analysis. =C2=A0Logging of malformed TLVs and Sub-TLVs = SHOULD be 596 =C2=A0 rate-limited to prevent a Denial of Service (DoS) attack (distr= ibuted 597 =C2=A0 or otherwise) from overloading the OSPF control plane. [major] "Implementations MUST assure that malformed TLV and Sub-TLV defined in this document are detected and do not provide a vulnerability for attackers to crash the OSPF router or routing process." =C2=A0How can this be Normatively enforced? =C2=A0How is the individual ability of an implementation to avoid crashes required for interoperability? =C2=A0IOW, I don't think you can use "MUST" in the sentence above. =C2=A0s/MUST/must [major] What about vulnerabilities introduced by this document? =C2=A0This document doesn't define new TE-related attributes, just a new way to advertise them...perhaps include something like this: =C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a new way to advertise already defined T= E Attributes. =C2=A0 =C2=A0As the ASLA sub-TLV is not used for SPF computation or normal = routing, the =C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions specified here have no direct effect on IP routing.= =C2=A0Tampering =C2=A0 =C2=A0with the information defined in this document may have an effe= ct on =C2=A0 =C2=A0applications using it, including potential sub-optimal Traffic= Engineering. =C2=A0 =C2=A0This is not new...see [RFC5305], [RFC5307], [RFC6119], and [RF= C8570]. And then there are other possible vulnerabilities introduced by the new encodings... =C2=A0For example, a rogue router can render the data unusable by setting the incorrect bit-mask... =C2=A0At best, this action could result in sub-optimal paths (by taking some links out of consideration)... =C2=A0Consider adding text related to that. 599 12. =C2=A0IANA Considerations 601 12.1. =C2=A0OSPFv2 603 =C2=A0 OSPFv2 Extended Link TLV Sub-TLVs registry [RFC7684] defines su= b-TLVs 604 =C2=A0 at any level of nesting for OSPFv2 Extended Link TLVs. =C2=A0Th= is 605 =C2=A0 specification updates OSPFv2 Extended Link TLV sub-TLVs registr= y with 606 =C2=A0 the following TLV types: [nit] s/OSPFv2 Extended Link TLV/The OSPFv2 Extended Link TLV [major] s/This specification updates OSPFv2 Extended Link TLV sub-TLVs registry with the following TLV types:/IANA has assigned the following TLV types: ... 633 12.2. =C2=A0OSPFv3 635 =C2=A0 OSPFv3 Extended LSA Sub-TLV Registry [RFC8362] defines sub-TLVs= at 636 =C2=A0 any level of nesting for OSPFv3 Extended LSAs. =C2=A0This speci= fication 637 =C2=A0 updates OSPFv3 Extended LSA Sub-TLV Registry with the following= TLV 638 =C2=A0 types: [nit] s/OSPFv3 Extended LSA Sub-TLV/The OSPFv3 Extended LSA Sub-TLV [major] s/This specification updates OSPFv3 Extended LSA Sub-TLV Registry with the following TLV types:/IANA has assigned the following TLV types: ... 737 15.2. =C2=A0Informative References [major] These references should be Normative: 739 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-isis-te-app] 740 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ginsberg, L., Psenak, = P., Previdi, S., Henderickx, W., and 741 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0J. Drake, "IS-IS TE At= tributes per application", draft- 742 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-isis-te-app-08 (w= ork in progress), October 2019. 744 =C2=A0 [RFC2328] =C2=A0Moy, J., "OSPF Version 2", STD 54, RFC 2328, 745 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DOI 10.17487/RFC2328, = April 1998, 746 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0. 748 =C2=A0 [RFC4203] =C2=A0Kompella, K., Ed. and Y. Rekhter, Ed., "OSPF Ex= tensions in 749 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Support of Generalized= Multi-Protocol Label Switching 750 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(GMPLS)", RFC 4203, DO= I 10.17487/RFC4203, October 2005, 751 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0. ... 776 =C2=A0 [RFC7471] =C2=A0Giacalone, S., Ward, D., Drake, J., Atlas, A., = and S. 777 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Previdi, "OSPF Traffic= Engineering (TE) Metric 778 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Extensions", RFC 7471,= DOI 10.17487/RFC7471, March 2015, 779 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0. 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I have finished reading this document, reviewing the e-mail archive and all the various reviews and comments. =C2=A0Quoting one of the authors, "it is essential that the two IGPs provide equivalent functionality" [1] -- so I have considered draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-10 in parallel with this one (I'm sending out a separate yet very similar review for it). In general, I think both drafts need some work. =C2=A0When appropriate, I have used "[c]" to highlight comparisons. =C2=A0I tried to put equivalent comments in both documents, but may have missed a few... I have some significant concerns (see details inline) about this document -- and as a result about the OSPF draft. =C2=A0I want to point out a couple of them here: (A) Deployment Considerations This document contains what I would characterize as a "distributed" Deployment Considerations section through =C2=A75, =C2=A76 and =C2=A77. =C2= =A0There is a lot of content, but I still made some comments in-line about other important information. =C2=A0Please consider consolidating all the deployment-related information in one place. =C2=A0rfc5706 (specially =C2= =A72) may be useful, please take a look. (B) I was able to identify one significant functional difference which warrants a discussion of the reason for it and maybe the pros/cons: =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A74.1 talks about the behavior when "both SABM Length and = UDABM Length are =C2=A0 =C2=A0zero". =C2=A0This document makes the use of the attributes opt= ional while the =C2=A0 =C2=A0OSPF draft mandates their use (=C2=A73). I will wait for this review to be addressed before moving both documents forward together. Thanks! Alvaro. [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ospf/7zkoaLfUe19JxTOWaKWO51wK9gg [Line numbers from idnits.] idnits 2.16.02 ... 16 Abstract 18 =C2=A0 Existing traffic engineering related link attribute advertisemen= ts 19 =C2=A0 have been defined and are used in RSVP-TE deployments. =C2=A0Sin= ce the 20 =C2=A0 original RSVP-TE use case was defined, additional applications (= e.g., 21 =C2=A0 SRTE, LFA) have been defined which also make use of the link 22 =C2=A0 attribute advertisements. =C2=A0In cases where multiple applicat= ions wish 23 =C2=A0 to make use of these link attributes the current advertisements = do 24 =C2=A0 not support application specific values for a given attribute no= r do 25 =C2=A0 they support indication of which applications are using the 26 =C2=A0 advertised value for a given link. [minor] Expand SRTE and LFA. 28 =C2=A0 This draft introduces new link attribute advertisements which ad= dress 29 =C2=A0 both of these shortcomings. =C2=A0It also discusses backwards 30 =C2=A0 compatibility issues and how to minimize duplicate advertisement= s in 31 =C2=A0 the presence of routers which do not support the extensions defi= ned 32 =C2=A0 in this document. [nit] s/draft/document [c] The OSPF abstract is more general, while this one provides more specifi= cs... ... 107 1. =C2=A0Introduction 109 =C2=A0 Advertisement of link attributes by the Intermediate-System-to- 110 =C2=A0 Intermediate-System (IS-IS) protocol in support of traffic 111 =C2=A0 engineering (TE) was introduced by [RFC5305] and extended by 112 =C2=A0 [RFC5307], [RFC6119], and [RFC8570]. =C2=A0Use of these extensi= ons has 113 =C2=A0 been associated with deployments supporting Traffic Engineering= over 114 =C2=A0 Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) in the presence of Resourc= e 115 =C2=A0 Reservation Protocol (RSVP) - more succinctly referred to as RS= VP-TE. [nit] s/presence of Resource/presence of the Resource [minor] Please add a reference for RSVP-TE. 117 =C2=A0 In recent years new applications have been introduced which hav= e use 118 =C2=A0 cases for many of the link attributes historically used by RSVP= -TE. 119 =C2=A0 Such applications include Segment Routing Traffic Engineering (= SRTE) 120 =C2=A0 and Loop Free Alternates (LFA). =C2=A0This has introduced ambig= uity in 121 =C2=A0 that if a deployment includes a mix of RSVP-TE support and SRTE 122 =C2=A0 support (for example) it is not possible to unambiguously indic= ate 123 =C2=A0 which advertisements are to be used by RSVP-TE and which 124 =C2=A0 advertisements are to be used by SRTE. =C2=A0If the topologies = are fully 125 =C2=A0 congruent this may not be an issue, but any incongruence leads = to 126 =C2=A0 ambiguity. [minor] What is an application? =C2=A0From the examples above I think I can tell the difference between an "application", as used in this document, and an "application" as what the ART area does: "The ART area develops application protocols and architectures in the IETF." [1] Please define what an application is in the context of this document. [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/art/about/ [minor] Add references for SRTE and LFA...and any use cases/requirements that support the need (or a forward reference to =C2=A72, for this last point). =C2=A0All Informational. ... 177 3. =C2=A0Legacy Advertisements 179 =C2=A0 There are existing advertisements used in support of RSVP-TE. = =C2=A0These 180 =C2=A0 advertisements include sub-TLVs for TLVs 22, 23, 25, 141, 222, = and 181 =C2=A0 223 and TLVs for SRLG advertisement. [minor] Expand SRLG on first use. [minor] Please add references to where all the values in this section are defined...if the same as the references above. 183 3.1. =C2=A0Legacy sub-TLVs 184 =C2=A0 Sub-TLVs for TLVs 22, 23, 25, 141, 222, and 223 186 =C2=A0 Code Point/Attribute Name 187 =C2=A0 -------------------------- 188 =C2=A0 =C2=A03 Administrative group (color) 189 =C2=A0 =C2=A09 Maximum link bandwidth 190 =C2=A0 10 Maximum reservable link bandwidth 191 =C2=A0 11 Unreserved bandwidth 192 =C2=A0 14 Extended Administrative Group 193 =C2=A0 18 TE Default Metric 194 =C2=A0 33 Unidirectional Link Delay 195 =C2=A0 34 Min/Max Unidirectional Link Delay 196 =C2=A0 35 Unidirectional Delay Variation 197 =C2=A0 36 Unidirectional Link Loss 198 =C2=A0 37 Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth 199 =C2=A0 38 Unidirectional Available Bandwidth 200 =C2=A0 39 Unidirectional Utilized Bandwidth [nit] To be consistent with the registry, rename the headings to Type and Description. [nit] A Table could be nice. ... 231 4.1. =C2=A0Application Identifier Bit Mask 233 =C2=A0 Identification of the set of applications associated with link 234 =C2=A0 attribute advertisements utilizes two bit masks. =C2=A0One bit = mask is for 235 =C2=A0 standard applications where the definition of each bit is defin= ed in 236 =C2=A0 a new IANA controlled registry. =C2=A0A second bit mask is for = non- 237 =C2=A0 standard User Defined Applications(UDAs). [nit] s/Applications(UDAs)/Applications (UDAs) [minor] Include a forward reference to the IANA Considerations. [minor] "second bit mask is for non-standard User Defined Applications" =C2=A0The explicit point is made here that the UDAs are used for *non-standard* applications. =C2=A0Given that these bits are for *user defined* applications, the user can make the bits mean anything they want (including SRTE, LFA, etc.), right? =C2=A0If so, then highlighting *non-standard* seems not to be needed. =C2=A0 s/for non-standard User Defined Applications/for User Defined Applications [c] The OSPF draft doesn't make the same emphasis. ... 262 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0L-flag: When set, applications listed (both Standa= rd 263 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and User Defined) MUST use the legacy advertiseme= nts 264 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 for the corresponding link found in TLVs 22, 23, 265 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 25, 141, 222, and 223 or TLV 138 or TLV 139 as 266 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 appropriate. [major] The corollary seems to be that if the L-flag is not set then the applications MUST (?) use the Application Specific Link Attributes sub-TLV. =C2=A0Is that correct? =C2=A0Please be specific. [major] In a mixed network, where some routers support this specification, but other don't, it seems that setting the L-flag would be useful as all applications would "fall back" to the legacy advertisements. =C2=A0However, not setting the L-flag seems to have the potential for the routers to use different information resulting in (at best) inconsistent decisions if the values are not the same. [minor] I think that some of the issues related to whether all nodes support something or not is an operational/deployment consideration; it should be made clear (in the Deployment Considerations section) what the requirements are inside a domain. =C2=A0I would think that the support requirements change depending on the deployment model -- what are the assumptions? 268 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SABM Length: Indicates the length in octets (0-127= ) of the 269 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bit Mask for Standard Applications. [minor] s/Bit Mask for Standard Applications/Standard Application Identifier Bit Mask ... 283 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0UDABM Length: Indicates the length in octets (0-12= 7) of the 284 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bit Mask for User Defined Applications. [minor] s/Bit Mask for User Defined Applications/User Defined Application Identifier Bit Mask 286 =C2=A0 SABM =C2=A0(variable length) 287 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Standard Application Identifier Bit Mask 289 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(SABM Length * 8) bits 291 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This is omitted if SABM Length is 0. [nit] s/This is omitted/This field is omitted/g ... 303 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 F-bit: Set to specify Loop Free Alternate = (LFA) 304 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(includes all LFA types) [just wondering] Given that we're trying to future-proof... =C2=A0Can there be cases where the link attributes for "normal" LFA, vs Remote LFA (for example) might need to be different? =C2=A0Considering that part of the justification for this work is the need to potentially advertise different attributes per application, and given that the question "what is meant by LFA?" came up more than once on the mailing list, I guess the answer might be yes (at least for some use cases). =C2=A0Knowing that the user has their own bits to play with, I'm sure they can accommodate if the need comes up. =C2=A0 Just thinking out loud... 306 =C2=A0 =C2=A0UDABM =C2=A0(variable length) 307 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0User Defined Application Identifier Bit Mask 309 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(UDABM Length * 8) bits 311 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... 312 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+... 313 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0... 314 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+... 316 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This is omitted if UDABM Length is 0. 318 =C2=A0 NOTE: If both SABM Length and UDABM Length are zero, then the 319 =C2=A0 attributes associated with this Attribute Identifier Bit Mask 320 =C2=A0 MAY be used by any Standard Application and any User Defined 321 =C2=A0 Application. [major] This is what happens today: any application can use the attributes, but they don't have to, right? =C2=A0I think that the MAY (Normative) is not needed because it is not really specifying a behavior that requires interoperability...but it is just mentioning a fact. =C2=A0s/MAY/may [major] [c] The OSPF draft makes it mandatory for all applications to use the attributes when no bits are set while this document makes it optional. =C2=A0I think this is a significant functional difference. [minor] The same behavior is specified (again!) in =C2=A75.2; please specify it only once. 323 =C2=A0 Standard Application Identifier Bits are defined/sent starting = with 324 =C2=A0 Bit 0. =C2=A0Additional bit definitions that may be defined in = the future 325 =C2=A0 SHOULD be assigned in ascending bit order so as to minimize the 326 =C2=A0 number of octets that will need to be transmitted. =C2=A0Undefi= ned bits 327 =C2=A0 MUST be transmitted as 0 and MUST be ignored on receipt. =C2=A0= Bits that 328 =C2=A0 are NOT transmitted MUST be treated as if they are set to 0 on 329 =C2=A0 receipt. [major] "Additional bit definitions that may be defined in the future SHOULD be assigned in ascending bit order so as to minimize the number of octets that will need to be transmitted." =C2=A0This statement about assignment belongs in the IANA Consideration section as part of the instructions to IANA on how to manage the space. [major] When would it be ok for IANA not to assign the values in order? =C2=A0IOW, why is that a SHOULD and not a MUST? [minor] Given the intent to minimize the transmissions, should there be a statement standardizing that behavior? =C2=A0I'm thinking of something like: "In order to minimize the number of octets transmitted, the sender SHOULD transmit only the minimum necessary amount of information..." =C2=A0IOW, the assignment policy, and the ability to advertise the *ABM Length is useless unless the sender takes advantage of it. [major] "Undefined bits MUST be transmitted as 0 and MUST be ignored on receipt." =C2=A0What if the sender and the receiver support a different set of applications? =C2=A0For example, suppose that the sender supports a new application identified by the N-bit, and sets only that bit; the receiver treats the N-bit as undefined and ignores it. =C2=A0The result is that, for the receiver, there seems to be no indication of an application. =C2=A0Is "no application" a valid indication, or should at least one bit always be set? [minor] Following on the previous comment... =C2=A0It seems that a requirement is for the routers/nodes in the domain to agree on the meaning of the bits: support the same Standard Applications and interpret the User Defined bit mask the same way. =C2=A0Please add this type of information to the Deployment Considerations Section. [nit] "Bits that are NOT transmitted MUST be..." =C2=A0While I understand what you mean, having Normative language for the behavior of things that are not received doesn't seem appropriate. =C2=A0How about something like this: "Any omitted bits MUST be..."? ... 337 4.2. =C2=A0Application Specific Link Attributes sub-TLV ... 343 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Type: 16 (temporarily assigned by IANA) 344 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Length: Variable (1 octet) [major] I hope I'm missing something... =C2=A0The maximum Length is 254 octets, but the Application Identifier Bit Masks (both together) could be as big as 256 octets. =C2=A0I realize that (1) it'll take a while (a long while) before so many applications are defined, and (2) the SABM and UDABM fields can be advertised in different sub-TLVs. =C2=A0It might be a good idea to say something about separating the advertisements...given that the assignment of values is the only protection against someone forcing the advertisement of all the bits... 345 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Value: 347 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Application Identifier Bit Mask 348 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(as defined in Section 4.1) 350 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Link Attribute sub-sub-TLVs - format matche= s the 351 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0existing formats defined in [RFC5305] and [= RFC8570] 353 =C2=A0 When the L-flag is set in the Application Identifier Bit Mask, = all of 354 =C2=A0 the applications specified in the bit mask MUST use the link 355 =C2=A0 attribute sub-TLV advertisements listed in Section 3.1 for the 356 =C2=A0 corresponding link. =C2=A0Link attribute sub-sub-TLVs for the 357 =C2=A0 corresponding link attributes MUST NOT be advertised for the se= t of 358 =C2=A0 applications specified in the Standard/User Application Identif= ier 359 =C2=A0 Bit Masks and all such advertisements MUST be ignored on receip= t. [major] "When the L-flag is set...MUST use the link attribute sub-TLV advertisements listed in Section 3.1" (a) The behavior of the L-flag is already specified in =C2=A74.1. =C2=A0Ple= ase only specify behaviors in one place. (b) The specification here is not the same as what =C2=A74.1 says. =C2=A0Th= e text in =C2=A74.1 says that "legacy advertisements for the corresponding link found in TLVs 22, 23, 25, 141, 222, and 223 or TLV 138 or TLV 139", which I interpret as using any current or new (!) sub-TLVs for those TLVs. =C2=A0OTOH, the text in this section limits the use to the "link attribute sub-TLV advertisements listed in Section 3.1". =C2=A0 I'm assuming the correct specification is the one in =C2=A74.1. =C2=A0IOW, this document doesn't preclude continued extensions to RFC5305, RFC5307, RFC6119, or RFC8570, right? [?] Just to make sure I understand: "Link attribute sub-sub-TLVs for the corresponding link attributes MUST NOT be advertised..." =C2=A0This means that if the L-flag is set, all the attributes will be advertised using legacy means, right? 361 =C2=A0 Multiple Application Specific Link Attribute sub-TLVs for the s= ame 362 =C2=A0 link MAY be advertised. =C2=A0When multiple sub-TLVs for the sa= me link are 363 =C2=A0 advertised, they SHOULD advertise non-conflicting application/ 364 =C2=A0 attribute pairs. =C2=A0A conflict exists when the same applicat= ion is 365 =C2=A0 associated with two different values of the same link attribute= for a 366 =C2=A0 given link. =C2=A0In cases where conflicting values for the sam= e 367 =C2=A0 application/attribute/link are advertised all the conflicting v= alues 368 =C2=A0 MUST be ignored. 370 =C2=A0 For a given application, the setting of the L-flag MUST be the = same 371 =C2=A0 in all sub-TLVs for a given link. =C2=A0In cases where this con= straint is 372 =C2=A0 violated, the L-flag MUST be considered set for this applicatio= n. [major] Tying these two paragraphs together... =C2=A0If one of the sub-TLVs has the L-flag set, then all the sub-TLVs that include at least one common application MUST be considered as having the L-flag set as well. =C2=A0This seems to become an attack vector: a rogue IS can set the L-flag (and/or set application bits) in all/some of the sub-TLVs...which may result in no attribute information (if the sub-sub-TLVs were the only source of information and are ignored) for a link... 374 =C2=A0 A new registry of sub-sub-TLVs is to be created by IANA which d= efines 375 =C2=A0 the link attribute sub-sub-TLV code points. =C2=A0This document= defines a 376 =C2=A0 sub-sub-TLV for each of the existing sub-TLVs listed in Section= 3.1 377 =C2=A0 except as noted below. =C2=A0The format of the sub-sub-TLVs mat= ches the 378 =C2=A0 format of the corresponding legacy sub-TLV and IANA is requeste= d to 379 =C2=A0 assign the legacy sub-TLV identifer to the corresponding sub-su= b-TLV. [minor] Include a forward reference to the IANA Considerations... [major] "...and IANA is requested to assign the legacy sub-TLV identifer to the corresponding sub-sub-TLV." (s/identifer/identifier) Is this assignment something that should also be done going forward (for new "legacy sub-TLVs"), or just for the initial values in the registry? =C2=A0 The new registry has a registration policy of "Expert Review", please include any instructions for the DEs-to-be in the IANA Considerations section...and maybe a (Normative) pointer to rfcxxx for completeness. 381 4.2.1. =C2=A0Special Considerations for Maximum Link Bandwidth 383 =C2=A0 Maximum link bandwidth is an application independent attribute = of the 384 =C2=A0 link. =C2=A0When advertised using the Application Specific Link= Attributes 385 =C2=A0 sub-TLV, multiple values for the same link MUST NOT be advertis= ed. 386 =C2=A0 This can be accomplished most efficiently by having a single 387 =C2=A0 advertisement for a given link where the Application Identifier= Bit 388 =C2=A0 Mask identifies all the applications which are making use of th= e 389 =C2=A0 value for that link. [minor] I understand why the "Maximum link bandwidth is an application independent attribute of the link". =C2=A0But I am having a harder time understanding why other bandwidth-related metrics (specifically Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth, Unidirectional Available Bandwidth and Unidirectional Utilized Bandwidth) are not treated the same way. A similar question was raised on the list and the treatment was justified in order to support use cases where the bandwidth is managed per application [1]. =C2=A0I don't want to revisit the discussion here about the treatment, but it is important for the reader to understand the existence of those use cases. =C2=A0Please add a paragraph or two talking about the consideration. [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ospf/xl8HWDeQqYNcv_X_568-xv6rfvk 391 =C2=A0 It is also possible to advertise the same value for a given lin= k 392 =C2=A0 multiple times with disjoint sets of applications specified in = the 393 =C2=A0 Application Identifier Bit Mask. =C2=A0This is less efficient b= ut still 394 =C2=A0 valid. [minor] This attribute and other bandwidth-related ones are prone to interaction as multiple applications may want to use the resources. While the use of the resources is out of scope, it would be helpful to include that type of information in a Deployment Considerations section, as mentioned already on the mailing list [1]. [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/isis-wg/2M2pho1EZcVTkOOQssLQUVO0H= Y4 396 =C2=A0 If different values for Maximum Link Bandwidth for a given link= are 397 =C2=A0 advertised, all values MUST be ignored. [major] Also an attack vector: for a specific link, a rogue IS can advertise multiple values, rendering the information unusable for all applications. 399 4.2.2. =C2=A0Special Considerations for Reservable/Unreserved Bandwidth 401 =C2=A0 Maximum Reservable Link Bandwidth and Unreserved Bandwidth are 402 =C2=A0 attributes specific to RSVP. =C2=A0When advertised using the Ap= plication 403 =C2=A0 Specific Link Attributes sub-TLV, bits other than the RSVP-TE(R= -bit) 404 =C2=A0 MUST NOT be set in the Application Identifier Bit Mask. =C2=A0I= f an 405 =C2=A0 advertisement of Maximum Reservable Link Bandwidth or Unreserve= d 406 =C2=A0 Bandwidth is received with bits other than the RSVP-TE bit set,= the 407 =C2=A0 advertisement MUST be ignored. [nit] s/specific to RSVP/specific to RSVP-TE [nit] s/RSVP-TE(R-bit)/RSVP-TE (R-bit) [major] It seems to me that "the L-flag MUST be set" is missing above. 409 4.3. =C2=A0Application Specific SRLG TLV 411 =C2=A0 A new TLV is defined to advertise application specific SRLGs fo= r a 412 =C2=A0 given link. =C2=A0Although similar in functionality to TLV 138 = (defined by 413 =C2=A0 [RFC5307]) and TLV 139 (defined by [RFC6119], a single TLV prov= ides 414 =C2=A0 support for IPv4, IPv6, and unnumbered identifiers for a link. 415 =C2=A0 Unlike TLVs 138/139, it utilizes sub-TLVs to encode the link 416 =C2=A0 identifiers in order to provide the flexible formatting require= d to 417 =C2=A0 support multiple link identifier types. [nit] s/TLV 138 (defined by [RFC5307]) and TLV 139 (defined by [RFC6119],/TLV 138 [RFC5307] and TLV 139 [RFC6119], 419 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Type: 238 (Temporarily assigned by IANA) 420 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Length: Number of octets in the value field (1 oc= tet) [major] As with the other sub-TLV, the length is < the potential size of the Application Identifier Bit Mask... 421 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Value: 422 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Neighbor System-ID + pseudo-node ID (7 oct= ets) 423 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Application Identifier Bit Mask 424 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(as defined in Section 4.1) 425 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Length of sub-TLVs (1 octet) 426 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Link Identifier sub-TLVs (variable) 427 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 or more SRLG Values (Each value is 4 oct= ets) 429 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The following Link Identifier sub-TLVs are define= d. The type 430 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 values are suggested and will be assigned by IANA= - but as 431 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the formats are identical to existing sub-TLVs de= fined for 432 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 TLVs 22, 23, 25, 141, 222, and 223 the use of the= suggested 433 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 sub-TLV types is strongly encouraged. [major] "The type values are suggested and will be assigned by IANA..." =C2=A0No. =C2=A0These values are part of a new registry, so this document can define any value it wants. [minor] Instead of the text above, include a forward reference to the IANA Considerations where the whole registry in included. 435 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Type =C2=A0 =C2=A0Description 436 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Link Local/Remote Ide= ntifiers (see [RFC5307]) 437 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A06 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv4 interface addres= s (see [RFC5305]) 438 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A08 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv4 neighbor address= (see [RFC5305]) 439 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 12 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv6 Interface Address (se= e [RFC6119]) 440 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 13 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv6 Neighbor Address (see= [RFC6119]) [nit] s/(see [RFCxxxx])/[RFCxxxx]/g 442 =C2=A0 At least one set of link identifiers (IPv4, IPv6, or unnumbered= ) MUST 443 =C2=A0 be present. =C2=A0TLVs which do not meet this requirement MUST = be ignored. [major] "one set of link identifiers...MUST be present" =C2=A0Is a set one of those sub-TLVs or more than one? ... 463 5.1. =C2=A0Use of Legacy Advertisements [c] I made the same comments in =C2=A78.1 of the OSPF draft. 465 =C2=A0 Bit Identifers for Standard Applications are defined in Section= 4.1. 466 =C2=A0 All of the identifiers defined in this document are associated = with 467 =C2=A0 applications which were already deployed in some networks prior= to 468 =C2=A0 the writing of this document. =C2=A0Therefore, such application= s have been 469 =C2=A0 deployed using the legacy advertisements. =C2=A0The Standard Ap= plications 470 =C2=A0 defined in this document MAY continue to use legacy advertiseme= nts 471 =C2=A0 for a given link so long as at least one of the following condi= tions 472 =C2=A0 is true: [nit] s/Identifers/Identifiers [major] Even if specifying the behavior for the Standard Applications, this document cannot Normatively specify anything affecting the case where "applications have been deployed using the legacy advertisements". =C2=A0s/MAY/may [] I think that the text in this section can be generalized to any application, not just ones defined in this document. =C2=A0s/The Standard Applications defined in this document MAY continue/The Standard Applications may continue 474 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0The application is RSVP-TE 476 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0The application is SRTE or LFA and RSVP-TE is not deplo= yed 477 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0anywhere in the network 479 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0The application is SRTE or LFA, RSVP-TE is deployed in = the 480 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0network, and both the set of links on which SRTE a= nd/or LFA 481 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0advertisements are required and the attribute valu= es used by SRTE 482 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and/or LFA on all such links is fully congruent wi= th the links and 483 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0attribute values used by RSVP-TE [] To generalize: =C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0A single application is deployed in the network =C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0Multiple applications are deployed in the network and = all the links and =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 attribute values are fully congruent between them. 485 =C2=A0 Under the conditions defined above, implementations which suppo= rt the 486 =C2=A0 extensions defined in this document have the choice of using le= gacy 487 =C2=A0 advertisements or application specific advertisements in suppor= t of 488 =C2=A0 SRTE and/or LFA. =C2=A0This will require implementations to pro= vide 489 =C2=A0 controls specifying which type of advertisements are to be sent= / 490 =C2=A0 processed on receive for these applications. =C2=A0Further disc= ussion of 491 =C2=A0 the associated issues can be found in Section 7. [] To generalize: s/in support of SRTE and/or LFA/in support of other applications 493 =C2=A0 New applications which future documents define to make use of t= he 494 =C2=A0 advertisements defined in this document MUST NOT make use of le= gacy 495 =C2=A0 advertisements. [major] Why not? =C2=A0Just as the cases above, the application may run my itself on the network, and/or the attributes may be fully congruent. 497 5.2. =C2=A0Use of Zero Length Application Identifier Bit Masks [minor] This section is partially redundant with the behavior specified in =C2=A74.1. =C2=A0Please make the specification only once. 499 =C2=A0 If link attributes are advertised associated with zero length 500 =C2=A0 Application Identifier Bit Masks for both standard applications= and 501 =C2=A0 user defined applications, then that set of link attributes MAY= be 502 =C2=A0 used by any application. =C2=A0If support for a new application= is 503 =C2=A0 introduced on any node in a network in the presence of such 504 =C2=A0 advertisements, these advertisements MAY be used by the new 505 =C2=A0 application. =C2=A0If this is not what is intended, then existi= ng 506 =C2=A0 advertisements MUST be readvertised with an explicit set of 507 =C2=A0 applications specified before a new application is introduced. [major] s/MAY be used/may be used It is just a statement of fact... 509 6. =C2=A0Attribute Advertisements and Enablement [c] This section is pretty much the same in both drafts. =C2=A0Consider making the specification only once (maybe here =C2=A0-- because the applications are defined here) and then referencing it. =C2=A0Note the generalization comment below. ... 520 =C2=A0 In the case of RSVP-TE, the advertisement of application specif= ic 521 =C2=A0 link attributes implies that RSVP is enabled on that link. =C2= =A0The 522 =C2=A0 absence of RSVP-TE application specific link attributes in 523 =C2=A0 combination with the absence of legacy advertisements implies t= hat 524 =C2=A0 RSVP is NOT enabled on that link. [minor] Specifying by implication sounds confusing to me. =C2=A0Can we come up with Normative language to accompany the text above? Suggestion> =C2=A0 =C2=A0The R-bit in the SABM MUST be set only if RSVP is enabled on t= he =C2=A0 =C2=A0corresponding link. =C2=A0All RSVP-enabled links MUST have a c= orresponding link =C2=A0 =C2=A0attributes advertisement. 526 =C2=A0 In the case of SRTE, advertisement of application specific link 527 =C2=A0 attributes does NOT indicate enablement of SRTE. =C2=A0The adve= rtisements 528 =C2=A0 are only used to support constraints which may be applied when 529 =C2=A0 specifying an explicit path. =C2=A0SRTE is implicitly enabled o= n all links 530 =C2=A0 which are part of the Segment Routing enabled topology independ= ent of 531 =C2=A0 the existence of link attribute advertisements 533 =C2=A0 In the case of LFA, advertisement of application specific link 534 =C2=A0 attributes does NOT indicate enablement of LFA on that link. 535 =C2=A0 Enablement is controlled by local configuration. 537 =C2=A0 If, in the future, additional standard applications are defined= to 538 =C2=A0 use this mechanism, the specification defining this use MUST de= fine 539 =C2=A0 the relationship between application specific link attribute 540 =C2=A0 advertisements and enablement for that application. [] To generalize: Suggestion> =C2=A0 =C2=A0For Standard Applications, advertisement of application specif= ic link =C2=A0 =C2=A0attributes does NOT indicate enablement of the application on = that link. =C2=A0If =C2=A0 =C2=A0additional Standard Applications are defined with a different = enablement =C2=A0 =C2=A0expectation, then the corresponding specification MUST define = the alternate =C2=A0 =C2=A0relationship between application specific link attribute adver= tisements and =C2=A0 =C2=A0enablement for that application. 542 =C2=A0 This document allows the advertisement of application specific = link 543 =C2=A0 attributes with no application identifiers i.e., both the Stand= ard 544 =C2=A0 Application Identifier Bit Mask and the User Defined Applicatio= n 545 =C2=A0 Identifier Bit Mask are not present (See Section 4.1). =C2=A0Th= is supports 546 =C2=A0 the use of the link attribute by any application. =C2=A0In the = presence of 547 =C2=A0 an application where the advertisement of link attribute 548 =C2=A0 advertisements is used to infer the enablement of an applicatio= n on 549 =C2=A0 that link (e.g., RSVP-TE), the absence of the application ident= ifier 550 =C2=A0 leaves ambiguous whether that application is enabled on such a = link. 551 =C2=A0 This needs to be considered when making use of the "any applica= tion" 552 =C2=A0 encoding. [major] What does the use of the "any application" encoding say about RSVP-TE? =C2=A0My interpretation is that if RSVP-TE is used, then the "any application" encoding can't be used. =C2=A0Is that correct? =C2=A0Please be specific. ... 572 7.1. =C2=A0Multiple Applications: Common Attributes with RSVP-TE 574 =C2=A0 In cases where multiple applications are utilizing a given link= , one 575 =C2=A0 of the applications is RSVP-TE, and all link attributes for a g= iven 576 =C2=A0 link are common to the set of applications utilizing that link, 577 =C2=A0 interoperability is achieved by using legacy advertisements and 578 =C2=A0 sending application specific advertisements with L-bit set and = no 579 =C2=A0 link attribute values. =C2=A0This avoids duplication of link at= tribute 580 =C2=A0 advertisements. [nit] s/L-bit/L-flag/g [nit] s/with L-bit set/with the L-flag set 582 7.2. =C2=A0Multiple Applications: All Attributes Not Shared w RSVP-TE [nit] s/w/with 584 =C2=A0 In cases where one or more applications other than RSVP-TE are 585 =C2=A0 utilizing a given link and one or more link attribute values ar= e NOT 586 =C2=A0 shared with RSVP-TE, it is necessary to use application specifi= c 587 =C2=A0 advertisements as defined in this document. =C2=A0Attributes fo= r 588 =C2=A0 applications other than RSVP-TE MUST be advertised using applic= ation 589 =C2=A0 specific advertisements which have the L-bit clear. =C2=A0In ca= ses where 590 =C2=A0 some link attributes are shared with RSVP-TE, this requires dup= licate 591 =C2=A0 advertisements for those attributes. [major] "Attributes for applications other than RSVP-TE MUST be advertised using application specific advertisements..." =C2=A0=C2=A77 sets= up the section mentioning the need "to co-exist with use of the legacy advertisements by routers which do not support the extensions defined in this document." =C2=A0In this case, the routers which support the extensions will have a different view compared to the routers which don't. =C2=A0This can result in sub-optimal routing, loops, etc.. =C2=A0It = is obviously not a backwards compatible deployment. =C2=A0How can that be addressed/mitigated? ... 598 7.3. =C2=A0Use of Application Specific Advertisements for RSVP-TE ... 605 =C2=A0 1)Upgrade all routers to support extensions in this document [nit] s/support extensions/support the extensions 607 =C2=A0 2)Readvertise all legacy link attributes using application spec= ific 608 =C2=A0 advertisements with L-bit clear and R-bit set. [minor] s/Readvertise/Advertise 610 =C2=A0 3)Remove legacy advertisements 612 =C2=A0 Migrating RSVP-TE away from legacy advertisements could result = in 613 =C2=A0 some implementation simplification as it allows the removal of = code 614 =C2=A0 which encodes/decodes the legacy advertisements. =C2=A0Whether = this is 615 =C2=A0 seen as desirable is something for the marketplace to determine= . [?] "allows the removal of code which encodes/decodes the legacy advertisements" =C2=A0If the sub-sub-TLVs used are the same as the legacy ones, wouldn't the code be pretty much the same?? =C2=A0Either way, considerations which may be implementation-dependent seems out of place is a section talking about deployment. 617 8. =C2=A0IANA Considerations [minor] For clarity, consider using sub-sections below. 619 =C2=A0 This document defines a new sub-TLV for TLVs 22, 23, 25, 141, 2= 22, 620 =C2=A0 and 223. [major] Please explicitly include the name of the registry. 622 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Type =C2=A0Description =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 22 =C2=A0 23 =C2=A0 25 =C2=A0141 =C2=A0222 =C2=A0223 623 =C2=A0 =C2=A0---- =C2=A0--------------------- =C2=A0---- ---- ---- ---= - ---- ---- 624 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 16 =C2=A0 Application Specific =C2=A0 =C2=A0 y =C2=A0 = =C2=A0y =C2=A0y(s) =C2=A0 y =C2=A0 =C2=A0y =C2=A0 =C2=A0y 625 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Link Attributes 627 =C2=A0 This document defines one new TLV: [major] Explicitly mention the name of the registry. 629 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Type =C2=A0Description =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 IIH LSP SNP Purge 630 =C2=A0 =C2=A0---- =C2=A0--------------------- =C2=A0 --- --- --- ----- 631 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 238 =C2=A0Application Specific =C2=A0 =C2=A0 n =C2=A0 y = =C2=A0 n =C2=A0 =C2=A0n 632 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SRLG 634 =C2=A0 This document requests a new IANA registry be created to contro= l the 635 =C2=A0 assignment of sub-sub-TLV codepoints for the Application Specif= ic 636 =C2=A0 Link Attributes sub-TLV. =C2=A0The suggested name of the new re= gistry is 637 =C2=A0 "sub-sub-TLV code points for application specific link attribut= es". 638 =C2=A0 The registration procedure is "Expert Review" as defined in 639 =C2=A0 [RFC8126]. =C2=A0The following assignments are made by this doc= ument: [major] Explicitly indicate where the new sub-registries should be created. =C2=A0In this case in the "IS-IS TLV Codepoints" registry. [minor] Adding a reference to rfc7370 would be useful. =C2=A0Make it Normat= ive. [major] If the legacy specifications are extended, is it expected that new sub-sub-TLVs will also be created? =C2=A0If so, there need to be explicit instructions to the DEs in the legacy registries. ... 663 =C2=A0 This document requests a new IANA registry be created, under th= e 664 =C2=A0 category of "Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) Parameters", to co= ntrol 665 =C2=A0 the assignment of Application Identifier Bits. =C2=A0The sugges= ted name of 666 =C2=A0 the new registry is "Link Attribute Applications". =C2=A0The re= gistration 667 =C2=A0 policy for this registry is "Standards Action" ([RFC8126] and 668 =C2=A0 [RFC7120]). =C2=A0The following assignments are made by this do= cument: [minor] If we're setting up a applications, why not make it generic: "IGP Applications", for example...?? [minor] s/"Standards Action" ([RFC8126] and [RFC7120])./"Standards Action" [RFC8126]. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Standards Action is only defined in rfc812= 6; the reference to rfc7120 is not needed. 670 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Bit # =C2=A0 Name 671 =C2=A0 --------------------------------------------------------- 672 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RSVP-TE (R-bit) 673 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Segment Routing Traffic Engineerin= g (S-bit) 674 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Loop Free Alternate (F-bit) [major] =C2=A0Add a line to cover the rest of the range and call it "Unassi= gned". 676 =C2=A0 This document requests a new IANA registry be created to contro= l the 677 =C2=A0 assignment of sub-TLV types for the application specific SRLG T= LV. 678 =C2=A0 The suggested name of the new registry is "Sub-TLVs for TLV 238= ". 679 =C2=A0 The registration procedure is "Expert Review" as defined in 680 =C2=A0 [RFC8126]. =C2=A0The following assignments are made by this doc= ument: [major] Indicate where this registry should be created. [minor] Adding a reference to rfc7370 would be useful. Make it Normative. 682 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Value =C2=A0 =C2=A0Description 683 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--------------------------------------------------------- 684 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0-3 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Unassigned 685 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Link Local/Remote Identifier= s (see [RFC5307]) 686 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A05 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned 687 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A06 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv4 interface address (see = [RFC5305]) 688 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A07 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned 689 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A08 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv4 neighbor address (see [= RFC5305]) 690 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 9-11 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned 691 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 12 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv6 Interface Address (see [RFC6= 119]) 692 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 13 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv6 Neighbor Address (see [RFC61= 19]) 693 =C2=A0 =C2=A014-255 =C2=A0 Unassigned [major] Do you want the reference to the assignments to be this document, the RFC where the encoding is defined, or both? =C2=A0I would suggest this document. =C2=A0Please add a column to reflect that: e.g., "[RFC5307] [This Document]"...and take out the "(see ...)" text. 695 9. =C2=A0Security Considerations 697 =C2=A0 Security concerns for IS-IS are addressed in [ISO10589, [RFC530= 4], 698 =C2=A0 and [RFC5310]. [major] ISO10589 is not in the References section. =C2=A0It should be a Normative reference. [major] rfc5304/rfc5310 only talk about authentication. =C2=A0What about vulnerabilities specifically introduced by the new functionality? This document doesn't define new TE-related attributes, just a new way to advertise them...perhaps include something like this: =C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a new way to advertise already defined T= E Attributes. =C2=A0 =C2=A0As these TLVs are not used for SPF computation or normal routi= ng, the =C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions specified here have no direct effect on IP routing.= =C2=A0Tampering =C2=A0 =C2=A0with the information defined in this document may have an effe= ct on =C2=A0 =C2=A0applications using it, including potential sub-optimal Traffic= Engineering. =C2=A0 =C2=A0This is not new...see [RFC5305], [RFC5307], [RFC6119], and [RF= C8570]. And then there are possible vulnerabilities introduced by this document. =C2=A0I put some comments above about the ability of a rogue router to render the data unusable by setting, for example the L-flag, or sending conflicting values. =C2=A0At best, this action could result in sub-optimal paths (by taking some links out of consideration)... Consider adding text related to that. From nobody Thu Jan 9 12:02:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCBD1202A0 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:02:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7zufNnKaW_Tj for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ed1-x52f.google.com (mail-ed1-x52f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD6F120047 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-x52f.google.com with SMTP id t17so6728389eds.6 for ; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 12:02:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xkPIp097G3IbLe3InTwfdIK1msUHvHfZ+oWdWJMcQbw=; b=MffRJbX3cTXlfothXrYnCIQ4ibCOeHXB2jOxcaw8O1lQrEPCXBRwSC+Nm1ESUdLSau xwAdBqHNj8JdsLE96GxaI0U0/q3cSFAf5l7jSwGuzNfW0sJ6hWYJ5DwJ2P+iVFSLJFAH SwwRgJ+kK5MeKjYxjhmwRegL5oxxNFZGYk8NQziyWSbuRwwBg8fbTPiPB+SEXSe2WC4n pYxhPlgD9pEBlfOvdOxEYMLNbcXVBiuQ27g0ZCDGc8peNOP15J1sKufjKzEh8BRHTNFX FLa2q46NrHDUTaidNbrL2uRG1fPelJ2hPNT65BQncKPF2K7pHZtMyFDVlj9PGpIXldCd dqJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xkPIp097G3IbLe3InTwfdIK1msUHvHfZ+oWdWJMcQbw=; b=Ojxja9C8PoJffTLopPN+CV4Y13qS2CxF5HV3ji4xLvu9wjpztFQo7smPhtjwbx8ukL 4q431JQtjnj0pTZ/K5sLs9I/cByrZfWW+pTtEJPo6tYWfLHkHVBRtMbHnhbD9HGWNng6 2TGiSgtXoO5hn+PbzigVdwdMky7uJ1kH2IurBkrgwqXynBpqexQlgxND8GigDVt0XBg9 phvA8lqZ64xyirWTwZbd2+kQLsf3kUY111pdOO72BMtgcPYzeAvZtPY6B9Em3HwNonNa gG7XaPDzqE9GEc8KDC6A59X7Y03bXT9p80tuVC9lyg1kkItHOd82Itcn55kX/V9ZHtF4 oEkw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUEnyE8GJ3MLS9NxOLaQvvwBf7f76Lit7HjbOF2AYKBl7HgM6PW tvqIrgWKBKQ6DpUV1IrCOk3UF3xdRvH0Exq6BP0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyUTZ559abNKaGfSY6N5MKBEWCyZ0DLOSPH0jaXIxRZ/PKl/xzDpjb9ky7/mJ3rdxqKCPS6I74rShBfDrYG3C4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:b2d2:: with SMTP id cf18mr11939502ejb.93.1578600157664; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 12:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:02:36 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: <20200108215810.4DDC8F40751@rfc-editor.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:02:36 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "mbustani@gmail.com" Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC2328 (5956) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2020 20:02:43 -0000 On January 9, 2020 at 11:13:26 AM, Acee Lindem wrote: [Trimming the distribution list.] Hi! I agree with Acee, but for different reasons. > I don't agree this change is required. The non-normative appendix C text > clearly states that this is the "cost of sending a packet on the interfac= e". > The examples cited are cases where reachability to a local address is > provided. Now, there are cases where it is useful to specify a non-zero c= ost > for a loopback address (e.g., Anycast addresses) but these scenarios are = out > of scope. I always thought that the Appendices were normative...among other things because of how they are referenced in the text, they define the LSA formats, etc. =C2=A0 But =C2=A79 (The Interface Data Structure) contain= s the same text anyway: =C2=A0 =C2=A0Interface output cost(s) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The cost of sending a data packet on the interfa= ce, expressed in =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the link state metric. =C2=A0This is advertised = as the link cost for =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this interface in the router-LSA. The cost of an= interface must =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0be greater than zero. Acee is right in pointing out that the text above doesn't apply because "reachability to a local address is provided"; in fact, both the examples mentioned say that the information is "indicating a host route"... =C2=A712.4.1 (Router-LSAs): =C2=A0 =C2=A0A host route is represented as a Type 3 link (stub network) =C2=A0 =C2=A0whose Link ID is the host's IP address, Link Data is the mask =C2=A0 =C2=A0of all ones (0xffffffff), and cost the host's configured cost =C2=A0 =C2=A0(see Section C.7). ...and from =C2=A7C.7 (Host route parameters): =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cost of link to host =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The cost of sending a packet to the host, in ter= ms of the =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0link state metric. =C2=A0However, since the host= probably has =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0only a single connection to the internet, the ac= tual =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0configured cost in many cases is unimportant (i.= e., will =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0have no effect on routing). The specification says that for a host route the cost doesn't matter, so the fact that the examples indicate "cost set to 0" is not in conflict. Alvaro. > =EF=BB=BFOn 1/8/20, 4:58 PM, "RFC Errata System" wrote: > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC2328, > "OSPF Version 2". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5956 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Technical > Reported by: Marcelo Bustani > > Section: 12.4.1 > > Original Text > ------------- > Router-LSAs > > If the state of the interface is Loopback, add a Type 3 > link (stub network) as long as this is not an interface > to an unnumbered point-to-point network. The Link ID > should be set to the IP interface address, the Link Data > set to the mask 0xffffffff (indicating a host route), > and the cost set to 0. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 12.4.1.4. Describing Point-to-MultiPoint interfaces > > For operational Point-to-MultiPoint interfaces, one or > more link descriptions are added to the router-LSA as > follows: > > o A single Type 3 link (stub network) is added with > Link ID set to the router's own IP interface > address, Link Data set to the mask 0xffffffff > (indicating a host route), and cost set to 0. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > C.3 Router interface parameters > > Interface output cost > The cost of sending a packet on the interface, expressed in > the link state metric. This is advertised as the link cost > for this interface in the router's router-LSA. The interface > output cost must always be greater than 0. > > > Corrected Text > -------------- > "cost set to 0" to at least "greater than 0" > > Notes > ----- > The section 12.4.1 and 12.4.1.4 are inconsistent with the appendix c.3. > > These both section we find the cost to stub networks have to be set to 0,= but > in appendix c.3 we see that the interfaces must have greater than 0. > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC2328 (no draft string recorded) > -------------------------------------- > Title : OSPF Version 2 > Publication Date : April 1998 > Author(s) : J. Moy > Category : INTERNET STANDARD > Source : Open Shortest Path First IGP > Area : Routing > Stream : IETF > Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Thu Jan 9 15:11:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105D7120831 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 15:11:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q8_a9Rsph0I4 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 15:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ed1-x52d.google.com (mail-ed1-x52d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B7BE120830 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 15:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-x52d.google.com with SMTP id c26so7087720eds.8 for ; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 15:11:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bV0S1OkknrX1W9JrI6Mw8mimsfgplmWQoTxCnoauJG8=; b=pcfnMpo1SGX/9zf05VAdQGyqCfRI4d7bjIfSMSbcE0LqtwBgapvDX562qAfIU+EwgM uYI2qH3MBuXheRFvnHBkii4gfz9JVLY6eCWlYaCr2cjgqZ70koLUEH6nG0rpJXqUgr7/ Uv48tfWIQoylDNnMqXWhLTRqdUuuiYl8ddv3FgS6ElQ/oSRrRHsq9bN4eIJXZZWBA5wd AnnwaXubUiLnAth5iJNS4IJiry+rX+XxCvMjA9iDy0128E0bZdBPe28O2kXcD78UPXDw tvS6GQtFpQP4WgCkbbqeJF678Nvpljn2kvKboxICH4M+FvlUH13eM9fty8ug6NmcviNg FRRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bV0S1OkknrX1W9JrI6Mw8mimsfgplmWQoTxCnoauJG8=; b=sE0ickF/SiYFGZj/TGTq1pvZ8vUVlVbH2NNwtaq5nccDU8hRgtaOgDfChsykLnerFP F+v/5wuclVc+HWjYGiX16adSPcxqjKoyhdSYzqB0Z9e26DjQ4chql3/KjiA8sFAtLUR/ CrqFqWrxcgkY3+SGKsQx5A1TF6408BMvy9jk74HxiqBlbZdBRKRZyOzOKOeSpZyjWPKO n4/EEK+b76ek7CVTvaegG8v83sAqCwet9cZWAHdi1wvmC2rm9arQO4emVbfsg5V8Ig/2 bigfjOQSiyTDaCbKQO+6tX3QH6XnfLTIpascpe8NWqryb0bC/pM5yRhqqcYGKY1C1p3Y f/dw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUUY08fmnRdYnOjo+C/7jZReJ2jpghQ3KfpVDzrq5yGMcLRU2XZ XlOpvs7WvsL8NrzohitaoRAp3AIbSqjyTfJFr8s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxe/rZCYLDigcag+maHVD9+oR4n6NVxN1jLsBIP58abjZts3ousuqt/T3HkACN/jOyV0ynjLjAshwmEzjdUDPo= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:4bd1:: with SMTP id x17mr13335393ejv.181.1578611479038; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 15:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 15:11:17 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: <20200108215810.4DDC8F40751@rfc-editor.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 15:11:17 -0800 Message-ID: To: Marcelo Bustani Cc: mbustani@att.com, "lsr@ietf.org" , "Acee Lindem (acee)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC2328 (5956) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2020 23:11:22 -0000 On January 9, 2020 at 3:51:51 PM, Marcelo Bustani wrote: [Trimming the distribution.] Marcelo: Hi! > I believe this is interesting to make this consistent, because I`m facing > different usage for this situation. For example, Cisco uses cost 1 for th= is > type of interface and Juniper cost 0. > I think that RFC as a document of standardization must be followed by all= , > mainly for an open protocol as OSPF. We're all in agreement about the purpose of the RFC. :-) As far as the Errata Report, no change to the RFC is needed. =C2=A0Unless anyone on the list disagrees, I am them going to mark the report as Rejected. You should be able to point the vendors to the RFC text and this discussion= . Best regards, Alvaro. From nobody Thu Jan 9 18:13:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietf.org Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAC41200A3; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 18:13:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lsr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lsr@ietf.org Message-ID: <157862239120.17385.13536872025729574775@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2020 18:13:11 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-07.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 02:13:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for IS-IS Segment Routing Authors : Stephane Litkowski Yinghzen Qu Pushpasis Sarkar Ing-Wher Chen Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-07.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2020-01-09 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage IS-IS Segment Routing. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jan 9 18:22:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0833F120288 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 18:22:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J0porf4ItzgW for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 18:22:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (m176115.mail.qiye.163.com [59.111.176.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6E441200A3 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 18:22:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id 95713661252; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:22:08 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: "'Robert Raszuk'" , "'Les Ginsberg \(ginsberg\)'" Cc: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:22:08 +0800 Message-ID: <006901d5c75c$c24ad360$46e07a20$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01D5C79F.D06E1360" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdXFSUsRlZXYggPNS+WNeSqnHw+zIQCErwmw Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZVktVT0pKQkJCTU9JQ09DQk1CWVdZKF lBSkxLS0o3V1ktWUFJV1kJDhceCFlBWTU0KTY6NyQpLjc#WQY+ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6Ngg6LCo*KzgxLR4YMhhLEBA2 ASIaFDBVSlVKTkxDTUlJQkhPS09OVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWVdZCAFZQUlISUNPNwY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a6f8d4247439373kuws95713661252 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgTWV0aG9kcyB0byBsYWJlbCB0aGUgcGFzc2l2?= =?utf-8?q?e_interfaces_within_ISIS?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 02:22:19 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01D5C79F.D06E1360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Les, Robert and other experts within LSR: =20 We have submitted the draft that related to the passive interface = attribute, please review it at = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-lsr-passive-interface-attribute-00= =20 If you are interested, we are also welcome you as the co-author to put = forward it together. Any comments are welcome. =20 Thanks in advance. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Aijun Wang =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 = 18:57 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Robert Raszuk =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces = within ISIS =20 Hi, Robert: There are situations that we want to distinguish the passive interfaces = from the normal interfaces. I will try to write one draft in recent days = to describe it and for further discussion. =20 Thanks in advance. Aijun Wang China Telecom On Jan 7, 2020, at 18:14, Robert Raszuk wrote: =EF=BB=BF Hi Aijun, =20 Right .. I took your email as an attempt/request to actually advertise = passive links in the first place.=20 =20 May we know what difference does it make to you if reachable prefix is = part of an active vs passive interface from IGP point of view ?=20 =20 Thx, R. =20 =20 On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM Aijun Wang > wrote: Hi, Robert: =20 Thanks for your information. TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link between them. As = for the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor.=20 It seems the sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate place to put = this information? =20 P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion topic. =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 = 18:58 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to = expand the IS-IS level to 8? =20 Aijun, =20 We just want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal = interfaces within ISIS domain. It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute = Flags=E2=80=9D that described in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate = place to extend to carry such information. =20 Really ? =20 IMO much better place is to define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it = there as passive link. =20 Ref: https://tools..ietf.org/html/rfc5029 = =20 =20 Now more interesting perhaps is to find out how ISIS is supposed to = react to such information. 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If we want to define another attribute for a loopback link vs a stub = link vs a tunnel vs =E2=80=A6. , I would support that direction. 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That should not be the case. In the two specific cases that you initially mentioned, for Loopbacks and the stub link to describe a p2mp, the text is clear: "cost set to 0". =C2=A0I don't understand how it is possible to have a different interpretation of that. I do understand how vendors can and do provide knobs that can change the configured cost...but the default is still clear in the RFC: "cost set to 0". =C2=A0If that is not the default, then I think it is a bug in the implementation and not in the RFC. The Errata Reporting process is in place to correct errors in the RFCs. =C2=A0In this case, I don't think there is an error. If you have suggestions to change the text to clarify (which is different than correcting an error), then that is something that should be discussed in the WG (lsr@ietf.org). =C2=A0rfc2328 is far from perfect; I'm sure there is room for improvement. Thanks! Alvaro. 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You have all been very patient with me already -- I can only return the favor. :-) > One question. In several places you are requesting a forward reference to= the > IANA Considerations section. For example in Section 4.1. > I find this ask rather unusual. > Section 4.1 is defining the format of some fields in the new sub-TLV. Wha= t > would be the need of a forward reference to the IANA section? > I cannot recall ever doing the equivalent in any draft I have worked on. 231 4.1. =C2=A0Application Identifier Bit Mask 233 =C2=A0Identification of the set of applications associated with link 234 =C2=A0attribute advertisements utilizes two bit masks. =C2=A0One bit m= ask is for 235 =C2=A0standard applications where the definition of each bit is define= d in 236 =C2=A0a new IANA controlled registry. =C2=A0A second bit mask is for n= on- 237 =C2=A0standard User Defined Applications(UDAs). In this case, there is a mention in the text about the new registry -- I thought it would be useful to the reader to have a pointer to where the values are. The comment was meant just as a suggestion. Alvaro. From nobody Mon Jan 13 00:39:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448C212008B for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 00:39:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XZBZd-of4s82 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 00:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (m176115.mail.qiye.163.com [59.111.176.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECF97120072 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 00:39:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id D759D6638FB; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:39:04 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: Cc: "'Les Ginsberg'" , "'Robert Raszuk'" , References: <006901d5c75c$c24ad360$46e07a20$@org.cn> <00bb01d5c785$483d91b0$d8b8b510$@org.cn> <32D6BF50-90F8-40C1-81B3-4DA6646F3F6E@tony.li> In-Reply-To: <32D6BF50-90F8-40C1-81B3-4DA6646F3F6E@tony.li> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:39:05 +0800 Message-ID: <00eb01d5c9ec$ea8112d0$bf833870$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EC_01D5CA2F.F8A452D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdXHh1SHwjOw+EhvRP2BsPEzoDZf6QCZG8VA Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZS1VJS0xLS0tJTk5OQ09MSkxZV1koWU FKTEtLSjdXWS1ZQUlXWQkOFx4IWUFZNTQpNjo3JCkuNz5ZBg++ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6MCo6ARw6Ajg0AxM3KS0TTxxJ L0NPChZVSlVKTkxDQktPTE5KSU9MVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWVdZCAFZQUpOT0pINwY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a6f9e0e742e9373kuwsd759d6638fb Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgTWV0aG9kcyB0byBsYWJlbCB0aGUgcGFzc2l2?= =?utf-8?q?e_interfaces_within_ISIS?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 08:39:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01D5CA2F.F8A452D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Tony: =20 Is it reasonable to put the link attribute information into the = =E2=80=9CIP Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D? IMHO, such stub link is not the normal links within IGP domain. Label = the related prefix is coming from the passive/stub link seems also = acceptable? =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 tony.li@tony.li =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 = 15:27 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg; Robert Raszuk; lsr@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces = within ISIS =20 =20 Hi Aijun, =20 =20 For the link attributes that defined in RFC5029, as that stated in = = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5029#section-2, this sub-TLV is included = in the TLV 22(Extended IS Reachability).=20 As I read the IANA code point = = https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-codepoints.= xhtml#isis-tlv-codepoints-22-23-25-141-222-223, it notes this sub-TLV = can be included in all of these TLVs (22,23,25,141,222,223).=20 =20 But, when the interface is configured as passive/stub, it seems that the = above TLVs will not be advertised, because there is no IS neighbor on = this passive link. =20 =20 =20 Fair point. Given that there is an IP address and prefix on that link, = it would be very reasonable to advertise the Extended IP Reachability = TLV (135). We would then need to make the link attributes sub-TLV = applicable to this TLV (and it=E2=80=99s MT brother). =20 TLV 141 =E2=80=9CInter-AS reachability information=E2=80=9D seems be one = appropriate TLV to include this sub-TLV, but it requires the IS-IS TE = deployment, and is not suitable for describing the passive/stub link on = edge router. =20 In summary, it seems put this attribute into the =E2=80=9CPrefix = Attribute Flags=E2=80=9D sub-TLV which can be included in TLV = 135,235,236 and 237 (Extended IP reachability, MT IP. Reach, IPv6 IP. = Reach, and MT IPv6 IP. Reach TLVs) is more applicable? =20 =20 It would seem to me that what you=E2=80=99re describing is an attribute = of a link, not of a prefix, thus I would favor it remaining a link = attribute. =20 But that=E2=80=99s just me. :-) =20 Tony =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01D5CA2F.F8A452D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Tony:

 

Is it reasonable to put the link attribute information into the = =E2=80=9CIP Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D?

IMHO, such stub link is not the normal links within IGP domain.=C2=A0 = Label the related prefix is coming from the passive/stub link seems also = acceptable?

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

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=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun = Wang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg; Robert Raszuk; = lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label = the passive interfaces within = ISIS

 

 

Hi = Aijun,

 

 

For the link attributes that defined in RFC5029, as that stated = in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5029#section-2, this sub-TLV is included in the TLV 22(Extended IS = Reachability). 

As I read the IANA code point https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoin= ts/isis-tlv-codepoints.xhtml#isis-tlv-codepoints-22-23-25-141-222-223, it notes this sub-TLV can be included in all of these TLVs = (22,23,25,141,222,223). 

 

But, when the interface is configured as passive/stub, it seems that = the above TLVs will not be advertised, because there is no IS neighbor = on this passive link.  

 

 

Fair point. Given that there is an = IP address and prefix on that link, it would be very reasonable to = advertise the Extended IP Reachability TLV (135). We would then need to = make the link attributes sub-TLV applicable to this TLV (and = it=E2=80=99s MT brother).

 



TLV 141 =E2=80=9CInter-AS reachability information=E2=80=9D seems be = one appropriate TLV to include this sub-TLV, but it requires the IS-IS = TE deployment, and is not suitable for describing the passive/stub link = on edge router.

 

In summary, it seems put this attribute into the =E2=80=9CPrefix = Attribute Flags=E2=80=9D sub-TLV which can be included in TLV = 135,235,236 and 237 (Extended IP reachability, MT IP. Reach, IPv6 IP. = Reach, and MT IPv6 IP. Reach TLVs) is more applicable?

 

 

It would seem to me that what = you=E2=80=99re describing is an attribute of a link, not of a prefix, = thus I would favor it remaining a link = attribute.

 

But that=E2=80=99s just me. =  :-)

 

Tony

 

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Hi Anjun,


Is it reasonable to put the link attribute = information into the =E2=80=9CIP Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D?
IMHO, such stub link is = not the normal links within IGP domain.  Label the related prefix = is coming from the passive/stub link seems also acceptable?


Well, a passive = interface is really configured so that you advertise the interface=E2=80=99= s prefix.  Attaching the data that you want to the associated data = seems reasonable to me.

There=E2=80=99= s no good IS Neighbor advertisement to attach the sub-TLV to because = there is no neighbor.

Tony


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52685ed7-f7e8-4828-82b1-234f78a8fc39@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5e1cb7b3_28677b7c_496" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:32:29 -0000 --5e1cb7b3_28677b7c_496 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Agree with Acee and Les Cheers, Jeff On Jan 13, 2020, 9:29 AM -0800, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) , wrote: > I agree with Acee that there is no requirement to identify an interface= as passive =E2=80=93 or (as suggested in this thread) as loopback or tun= nel or stub=E2=80=A6 > > Before debating the best encoding for information, it would be sensible= to define the use case/requirements. > Simply having an advertisement that identifies an interface type isn=E2= =80=99t sufficient to do anything useful IMO. > > =C2=A0=C2=A0 Les > > =46rom: Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 8:03 AM > To: tony.li=40tony.li; Aijun Wang > Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Robert Raszuk ; lsr=40ietf.org > Subject: Re: =5BLsr=5D Methods to label the passive interfaces within I= SIS > > Hi Aijun, > I guess the external use case for this is advertisement in BGP-LS for N= etwork Management purposes=3F=3F There really isn=E2=80=99t IS-IS require= ment to know whether or not an interface is a passive interface. > Thanks, > Acee > > =46rom: Lsr on behalf of Tony Li > Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM > To: Aijun Wang > Cc: =22Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)=22 , Robert Raszuk= , =22lsr=40ietf.org=22 > Subject: Re: =5BLsr=5D Methods to label the passive interfaces within I= SIS > > > Hi Anjun, > > > > Is it reasonable to put the link attribute information into the =E2=80= =9CIP Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D=3F > > IMHO, such stub link is not the normal links within IGP domain.=C2=A0= Label the related prefix is coming from the passive/stub link seems also= acceptable=3F > > > Well, a passive interface is really configured so that you advertise th= e interface=E2=80=99s prefix. =C2=A0Attaching the data that you want to t= he associated data seems reasonable to me. > > There=E2=80=99s no good IS Neighbor advertisement to attach the sub-TLV= to because there is no neighbor. > > Tony > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Lsr mailing list > Lsr=40ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --5e1cb7b3_28677b7c_496 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Agree with Acee and Les

Cheers,
Jeff
On Jan 13, 2020, 9:29 AM -0800, Les= Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg=40cisco.com>, wrote:

I agree with Acee that there is no requirement= to identify an interface as passive =E2=80=93 or (as suggested in this t= hread) as loopback or tunnel or stub=E2=80=A6

&=23160;

Before debating the best encoding for informat= ion, it would be sensible to define the use case/requirements.

Simply having an advertisement that identifies= an interface type isn=E2=80=99t sufficient to do anything useful IMO.

&=23160;

&=23160;&=23160; Les

&=23160;

=46rom: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee=40c= isco.com>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 8:03 AM
To: tony.li=40tony.li; Aijun Wang <wangaijun=40tsinghua.org.cn&= gt;
Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg=40cisco.com>; Robert R= aszuk <robert=40raszuk.net>; lsr=40ietf.org
Subject: Re: =5BLsr=5D Methods to label the passive interfaces wit= hin ISIS

&=23160;

Hi Aijun,

I guess the external use case for this is adve= rtisement in BGP-LS for Network Management purposes=3F=3F There really is= n=E2=80=99t IS-IS requirement to know whether or not an interface is a pa= ssive interface.

Thanks,

Acee

&=23160;

=46rom: Lsr <lsr-bounces=40ietf.org> on behalf of Tony Li <tony.li=40tony.li>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM
To: Aijun Wang <wangaijun=40tsinghua.org.cn>
Cc: =22Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)=22 <ginsberg=40cisco.com>, Robert Raszuk <robert=40raszuk.net>, =22lsr=40ietf.org=22 <lsr=40ietf.org>
Subject: Re: =5BLsr=5D Methods to label the passive interfaces wit= hin ISIS

&=23160;

&=23160;

Hi Anjun,

&=23160;

&=23160;

Is it reasonable to put the link at= tribute information into the =E2=80=9CIP Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D=3F

IMHO, such stub link is not the nor= mal links within IGP domain.&=23160; Label the related prefix is coming f= rom the passive/stub link seems also acceptable=3F

&=23160;

&=23160;

Well, a passive= interface is really configured so that you advertise the interface=E2=80= =99s prefix. &=23160;Attaching the data that you want to the associated d= ata seems reasonable to me.

&=23160;

There=E2=80=99s= no good IS Neighbor advertisement to attach the sub-TLV to because there= is no neighbor.

&=23160;

Tony

&=23160;

&=23160;

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--5e1cb7b3_28677b7c_496-- From nobody Mon Jan 13 14:37:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1D8120909 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KyONZUxagQaU for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (m176115.mail.qiye.163.com [59.111.176.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 728F412001B for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [240.0.0.1] (unknown [45.88.43.117]) by m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id 5CFD066120E; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 06:36:56 +0800 (CST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4CE1D671-2847-4D3D-B822-CB75024F993F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Aijun Wang Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 06:36:52 +0800 Message-Id: References: <52685ed7-f7e8-4828-82b1-234f78a8fc39@Spark> Cc: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "tony.li@tony.li" , "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "lsr@ietf.org" , Robert Raszuk In-Reply-To: <52685ed7-f7e8-4828-82b1-234f78a8fc39@Spark> To: Jeff Tantsura X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17C54) X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZSlVMQkxCQkJMSEJNT01CSllXWShZQU pMS0tKN1dZLVlBSVdZCQ4XHghZQVk1NCk2OjckKS43PlkG X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6MSI6KQw5Djg*SBMPFU0#TEg0 SDJPChRVSlVKTkxDQk5OS0lJSU9NVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlPTlVDQ1VPSFVKSkxZV1kIAVlBSkpMSko3Bg++ X-HM-Tid: 0a6fa10d88bf9373kuws5cfd066120e Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 22:37:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail-4CE1D671-2847-4D3D-B822-CB75024F993F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Acee, Les and Jeff: IGP is used to transfer the topology information within the domain, and the s= tub/passive interface is the important part of one network, especially for t= he inter-AS topology. Currently, we have not figured out other use cases to distinguish other inte= rfaces type. But for stub/passive interfaces, it will be useful to flooding s= uch information to other internal routers. OSPF has already the corresponding consideration and specifications, isn=E2=80= =99t it reasonable for ISIS to have such capabilities also? Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Jan 14, 2020, at 02:41, Jeff Tantsura wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Agree with Acee and Les >=20 > Cheers, > Jeff >> On Jan 13, 2020, 9:29 AM -0800, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) , wrote: >> I agree with Acee that there is no requirement to identify an interface a= s passive =E2=80=93 or (as suggested in this thread) as loopback or tunnel o= r stub=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Before debating the best encoding for information, it would be sensible t= o define the use case/requirements. >>=20 >> Simply having an advertisement that identifies an interface type isn=E2=80= =99t sufficient to do anything useful IMO. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Les >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: Acee Lindem (acee) >> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 8:03 AM >> To: tony.li@tony.li; Aijun Wang >> Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Robert Raszuk ; lsr@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Hi Aijun, >>=20 >> I guess the external use case for this is advertisement in BGP-LS for Net= work Management purposes?? There really isn=E2=80=99t IS-IS requirement to k= now whether or not an interface is a passive interface. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Acee >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: Lsr on behalf of Tony Li >> Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM >> To: Aijun Wang >> Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Robert Raszuk , "lsr@ietf.org" >> Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Hi Anjun, >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Is it reasonable to put the link attribute information into the =E2=80=9C= IP Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D? >>=20 >> IMHO, such stub link is not the normal links within IGP domain. Label th= e related prefix is coming from the passive/stub link seems also acceptable?= >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Well, a passive interface is really configured so that you advertise the i= nterface=E2=80=99s prefix. Attaching the data that you want to the associat= ed data seems reasonable to me. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> There=E2=80=99s no good IS Neighbor advertisement to attach the sub-TLV t= o because there is no neighbor. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Tony >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Lsr mailing list >> Lsr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --Apple-Mail-4CE1D671-2847-4D3D-B822-CB75024F993F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Acee, Les and Jeff:
IGP is used to t= ransfer the topology information within the domain, and the stub/passive int= erface is the important part of one network, especially for the inter-AS top= ology.
Currently, we have not figured out other use cases to disti= nguish other interfaces type. But for stub/passive interfaces, it will be us= eful to flooding such information to other internal routers.
OSPF h= as already the corresponding consideration and specifications, isn=E2=80=99t= it reasonable for ISIS to have such capabilities also?


Aijun Wang
China Telecom

=
On Jan 14, 2020, at 02:41, Jeff Tantsura <jefft= ant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Agree with Acee and Les

Cheers,
Jeff
On Jan 13, 2020, 9:29 AM -0800, Les Ginsbe= rg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>, wrote:

I agree with Acee that there is no requirement to ide= ntify an interface as passive =E2=80=93 or (as suggested in this thread) as l= oopback or tunnel or stub=E2=80=A6

 

Before debating the best encoding for information, it= would be sensible to define the use case/requirements.

Simply having an advertisement that identifies an int= erface type isn=E2=80=99t sufficient to do anything useful IMO.

 

   Les

 

From: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>= ;
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 8:03 AM
To: tony.li@tony.li; Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
= Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Robert Raszuk= <robert@raszuk.net>; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISI= S

 

Hi Aijun,

I guess the external use case for this is advertiseme= nt in BGP-LS for Network Management purposes?? There really isn=E2=80=99t IS= -IS requirement to know whether or not an interface is a passive interface.<= /p>

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org= > on behalf of Tony Li <tony.li= @tony.li>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM
To: Aijun Wang <wanga= ijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, "lsr@ie= tf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISI= S

 

 

Hi Anjun,

 

 

Is it reasonable to put the link attribute information i= nto the =E2=80=9CIP Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D?

IMHO, such stub link is not the normal links within IGP= domain.  Label the related prefix is coming from the passive/stub link= seems also acceptable?

 

 

Well, a passive interface i= s really configured so that you advertise the interface=E2=80=99s prefix. &n= bsp;Attaching the data that you want to the associated data seems reasonable= to me.

 

There=E2=80=99s no good IS= Neighbor advertisement to attach the sub-TLV to because there is no neighbo= r.

 

Tony

 

 

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e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZSlVIQk5CQkJMQ0JJSExCQ1lXWShZQU pMS0tKN1dZLVlBSVdZCQ4XHghZQVk1NCk2OjckKS43PlkG X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6OS46Pyo6KDg3TBM4Mj9JDFEZ EAMaCS5VSlVKTkxDQk5OTUxDQ0lIVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlPTlVDQ1VPSFVKSkxZV1kIAVlBSkJJSk03Bg++ X-HM-Tid: 0a6fa1178ccb9373kuwsbd877661fec Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 22:48:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail-4639C4ED-4E3B-4F5E-AFBA-B21504450B0F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Acee: As Tony suggested also before, we can change the description for =E2=80=9Cpa= ssive=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cstub=E2=80=9D later. Is that more acceptable then? Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Jan 14, 2020, at 06:40, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Aijun, > =20 > From: Aijun Wang > Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 5:37 PM > To: Jeff Tantsura > Cc: Acee Lindem , Tony Li , "Les Ginsberg= (ginsberg)" , "lsr@ietf.org" , Robert Ras= zuk > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS > =20 > Hi, Acee, Les and Jeff: > IGP is used to transfer the topology information within the domain, and th= e stub/passive interface is the important part of one network, especially fo= r the inter-AS topology. > Currently, we have not figured out other use cases to distinguish other in= terfaces type. But for stub/passive interfaces, it will be useful to floodin= g such information to other internal routers. > =20 > A stub interface is not necessarily a passive interace. > =20 > OSPF has already the corresponding consideration and specifications, isn=E2= =80=99t it reasonable for ISIS to have such capabilities also? > =20 > OSPF doesn=E2=80=99t advertise that an interface is a passive interface. O= thers routing can=E2=80=99t distinguish a passive interface from any other s= tub link. > =20 > Thanks, > Acee > =20 >=20 > Aijun Wang > China Telecom >=20 >=20 > On Jan 14, 2020, at 02:41, Jeff Tantsura wrote: >=20 > Agree with Acee and Les > =20 > Cheers, > Jeff > On Jan 13, 2020, 9:29 AM -0800, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) , wrote: >=20 > I agree with Acee that there is no requirement to identify an interface as= passive =E2=80=93 or (as suggested in this thread) as loopback or tunnel or= stub=E2=80=A6 > =20 > Before debating the best encoding for information, it would be sensible to= define the use case/requirements. > Simply having an advertisement that identifies an interface type isn=E2=80= =99t sufficient to do anything useful IMO. > =20 > Les > =20 > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 8:03 AM > To: tony.li@tony.li; Aijun Wang > Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Robert Raszuk ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS > =20 > Hi Aijun, > I guess the external use case for this is advertisement in BGP-LS for Netw= ork Management purposes?? There really isn=E2=80=99t IS-IS requirement to kn= ow whether or not an interface is a passive interface. > Thanks, > Acee > =20 > From: Lsr on behalf of Tony Li > Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM > To: Aijun Wang > Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Robert Raszuk , "lsr@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS > =20 > =20 > Hi Anjun, > =20 > =20 >=20 > Is it reasonable to put the link attribute information into the =E2=80=9CI= P Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D? > IMHO, such stub link is not the normal links within IGP domain. Label the= related prefix is coming from the passive/stub link seems also acceptable? > =20 > =20 > Well, a passive interface is really configured so that you advertise the i= nterface=E2=80=99s prefix. Attaching the data that you want to the associat= ed data seems reasonable to me. > =20 > There=E2=80=99s no good IS Neighbor advertisement to attach the sub-TLV to= because there is no neighbor. > =20 > Tony > =20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --Apple-Mail-4639C4ED-4E3B-4F5E-AFBA-B21504450B0F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Acee:
As Tony suggested also before= , we can change the description for =E2=80=9Cpassive=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cst= ub=E2=80=9D later.
Is that more acceptable then?

Aijun Wang
China Telecom
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On Jan 14, 2020, at 06:40, Acee Lindem (acee) &= lt;acee@cisco.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Hi Aijun,

 

From: Aijun Wang <wanga= ijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 5:37 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li&g= t;, "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <= ;lsr@ietf.org>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISI= S

 

Hi, Acee, Les and Jeff:

IGP is used to transfer th= e topology information within the domain, and the stub/passive interface is t= he important part of one network, especially for the inter-AS topology.=

Currently, we have not fig= ured out other use cases to distinguish other interfaces type. But for stub/= passive interfaces, it will be useful to flooding such information to other i= nternal routers.

 

A stub interface is not necessarily a passive interac= e.

 

OSPF has already the corre= sponding consideration and specifications, isn=E2=80=99t it reasonable for I= SIS to have such capabilities also?

 

OSPF doesn=E2=80=99t advertise that an interface is a= passive interface. Others routing can=E2=80=99t distinguish a passive inter= face from any other stub link.

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

Aijun Wang

=

China Telecom



On Jan 14, 2020, at 02:41, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wro= te:

Agree with Acee and Les

 

Cheers,

Jeff

On Jan 13, 2020, 9:29 AM -= 0800, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>, wrote:

I agree with Acee that there is no requirement to identify an interface as p= assive =E2=80=93 or (as suggested in this thread) as loopback or tunnel or s= tub=E2=80=A6

 

Before debating the best encoding for information, it would be sensible to d= efine the use case/requirements.

Simply having an advertisement that identifies an interface type isn=E2=80=99= t sufficient to do anything useful IMO.

 

   Les

 

From: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 8:03 AM
To: tony.li@tony.li; Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
= Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Robert Raszuk= <robert@raszuk.net>; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISI= S

 

Hi Aijun,

I guess the external use case for this is advertisement in BGP-LS for Networ= k Management purposes?? There really isn=E2=80=99t IS-IS requirement to know= whether or not an interface is a passive interface.

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org>= on behalf of Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li= >
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM
To: Aijun Wang <wanga= ijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, "lsr@ie= tf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISI= S

 

 

Hi Anjun,

 

 

Is it reasonable to put the l= ink attribute information into the =E2=80=9CIP Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D?

IMHO, such stub link is not t= he normal links within IGP domain.  Label the related prefix is coming f= rom the passive/stub link seems also acceptable?

 

 

Well, a passive interface is really configured so that you advertise the int= erface=E2=80=99s prefix.  Attaching the data that you want to the assoc= iated data seems reasonable to me.

 

There=E2=80=99s no good IS Neighbor advertisement to attach the sub-TLV to b= ecause there is no neighbor.

 

Tony

 

 

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(17C54) X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZSlVNSEhCQkJCT0hMSEhJSVlXWShZQU pMS0tKN1dZLVlBSVdZCQ4XHghZQVk1NCk2OjckKS43PlkG X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6M0k6HAw4KDgzSBMXSSsZAhoN HDcwChRVSlVKTkxDQk5DT0JNS05DVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlPTlVDQ1VPSFVKSkxZV1kIAVlBSUhOSko3Bg++ X-HM-Tid: 0a6fa142884c9373kuwsa4753661e27 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:35:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail-E12C2098-FB83-415B-8BC9-A551BB0C0C3A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Acee: Actually, currently it arises from the inter-AS topology management needs. I= t is not sufficient for BGP-LS to report only the interior connections infor= mation. To report the edge connection information, the router within the IGP domain t= hat run BGP-LS needs first to distinguish the stub link from the normal link= . There maybe exists other usages for this information, we will add them if we= get it. Also welcome more examples/solutions from interested LSR experts. Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Jan 14, 2020, at 07:06, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Aijun, > =20 > From: Aijun Wang > Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 5:48 PM > To: Acee Lindem > Cc: Jeff Tantsura , "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Tony Li , Robert Raszuk , "lsr@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS > =20 > Hi, Acee: > As Tony suggested also before, we can change the description for =E2=80=9C= passive=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cstub=E2=80=9D later. > Is that more acceptable then? > =20 > Yes =E2=80=93 but I=E2=80=99d still like to know why this is needed. > =20 > Thanks, > Acee > =20 >=20 > Aijun Wang > China Telecom >=20 >=20 > On Jan 14, 2020, at 06:40, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > Hi Aijun, > =20 > From: Aijun Wang > Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 5:37 PM > To: Jeff Tantsura > Cc: Acee Lindem , Tony Li , "Les Ginsberg= (ginsberg)" , "lsr@ietf.org" , Robert Ras= zuk > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS > =20 > Hi, Acee, Les and Jeff: > IGP is used to transfer the topology information within the domain, and th= e stub/passive interface is the important part of one network, especially fo= r the inter-AS topology. > Currently, we have not figured out other use cases to distinguish other in= terfaces type. But for stub/passive interfaces, it will be useful to floodin= g such information to other internal routers. > =20 > A stub interface is not necessarily a passive interace. > =20 > OSPF has already the corresponding consideration and specifications, isn=E2= =80=99t it reasonable for ISIS to have such capabilities also? > =20 > OSPF doesn=E2=80=99t advertise that an interface is a passive interface. O= thers routing can=E2=80=99t distinguish a passive interface from any other s= tub link. > =20 > Thanks, > Acee > =20 >=20 > Aijun Wang > China Telecom >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jan 14, 2020, at 02:41, Jeff Tantsura wrote: >=20 > Agree with Acee and Les > =20 > Cheers, > Jeff > On Jan 13, 2020, 9:29 AM -0800, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) , wrote: >=20 >=20 > I agree with Acee that there is no requirement to identify an interface as= passive =E2=80=93 or (as suggested in this thread) as loopback or tunnel or= stub=E2=80=A6 > =20 > Before debating the best encoding for information, it would be sensible to= define the use case/requirements. > Simply having an advertisement that identifies an interface type isn=E2=80= =99t sufficient to do anything useful IMO. > =20 > Les > =20 > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 8:03 AM > To: tony.li@tony.li; Aijun Wang > Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Robert Raszuk ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS > =20 > Hi Aijun, > I guess the external use case for this is advertisement in BGP-LS for Netw= ork Management purposes?? There really isn=E2=80=99t IS-IS requirement to kn= ow whether or not an interface is a passive interface. > Thanks, > Acee > =20 > From: Lsr on behalf of Tony Li > Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM > To: Aijun Wang > Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Robert Raszuk , "lsr@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS > =20 > =20 > Hi Anjun, > =20 > =20 >=20 > Is it reasonable to put the link attribute information into the =E2=80=9CI= P Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D? > IMHO, such stub link is not the normal links within IGP domain. Label the= related prefix is coming from the passive/stub link seems also acceptable? > =20 > =20 > Well, a passive interface is really configured so that you advertise the i= nterface=E2=80=99s prefix. Attaching the data that you want to the associat= ed data seems reasonable to me. > =20 > There=E2=80=99s no good IS Neighbor advertisement to attach the sub-TLV to= because there is no neighbor. > =20 > Tony > =20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --Apple-Mail-E12C2098-FB83-415B-8BC9-A551BB0C0C3A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Acee:
Actually, currently it arises= from the inter-AS topology management needs. It is not sufficient for BGP-L= S to report only the interior connections information.
To report t= he edge connection information, the router within the IGP domain that run BG= P-LS needs first to distinguish the stub link from the normal link.
There maybe exists other usages for this information, we will add them if w= e get it. Also welcome more examples/solutions from interested LSR experts.<= /div>


Aijun Wang
China Telecom
<= div dir=3D"ltr">
On Jan 14, 2020, at 07:06, Ace= e Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Hi Aijun,

 

From: Aijun Wang <wanga= ijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 5:48 PM
To: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
Cc: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, "Les Ginsberg (gin= sberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li>, Robert R= aszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISI= S

 

Hi, Acee:

As Tony suggested also bef= ore, we can change the description for =E2=80=9Cpassive=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9C= stub=E2=80=9D later.

Is that more acceptable th= en?

 

Yes =E2=80=93 but I=E2=80=99d still like to know why t= his is needed.

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

Aijun Wang

=

China Telecom



On Jan 14, 2020, at 06:40, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:<= o:p>

Hi Aijun,

 

From: Aijun Wang <wanga= ijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 5:37 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li&g= t;, "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <= ;lsr@ietf.org>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISI= S

 

Hi, Acee, Les and Jeff: <= o:p>

IGP is used to transfer t= he topology information within the domain, and the stub/passive interface is= the important part of one network, especially for the inter-AS topology.

Currently, we have not fi= gured out other use cases to distinguish other interfaces type. But for stub= /passive interfaces, it will be useful to flooding such information to other= internal routers.

 

A stub interface is not ne= cessarily a passive interace.

 

OSPF has already the corr= esponding consideration and specifications, isn=E2=80=99t it reasonable for I= SIS to have such capabilities also?

 

OSPF doesn=E2=80=99t adver= tise that an interface is a passive interface. Others routing can=E2=80=99t d= istinguish a passive interface from any other stub link.

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom<= /p>




On Jan 14, 2020, at 02:41, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wro= te:

Agree with Acee and Les

 

Cheers,

Jeff

On Jan 13, 2020, 9:29 AM -= 0800, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>, wrote:


I agree with Acee that there is no requirement to identify an interface as p= assive =E2=80=93 or (as suggested in this thread) as loopback or tunnel or s= tub=E2=80=A6

 

Before debating the best encoding for information, it would be sensible to d= efine the use case/requirements.

Simply having an advertisement that identifies an interface type isn=E2=80=99= t sufficient to do anything useful IMO.

 

   Les

 

From: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 8:03 AM
To: tony.li@tony.li; Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
= Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Robert Raszuk= <robert@raszuk.net>; lsr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISI= S

 

Hi Aijun,

I guess the external use case for this is advertisement in BGP-LS for Networ= k Management purposes?? There really isn=E2=80=99t IS-IS requirement to know= whether or not an interface is a passive interface.

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org>= on behalf of Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li= >
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM
To: Aijun Wang <wanga= ijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, "lsr@ie= tf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISI= S

 

 

Hi Anjun,

 

 

Is it reasonable to put the l= ink attribute information into the =E2=80=9CIP Reachability TLV=E2=80=9D?

IMHO, such stub link is not t= he normal links within IGP domain.  Label the related prefix is coming f= rom the passive/stub link seems also acceptable?

 

 

Well, a passive interface is really configured so that you advertise the int= erface=E2=80=99s prefix.  Attaching the data that you want to the assoc= iated data seems reasonable to me.

 

There=E2=80=99s no good IS Neighbor advertisement to attach the sub-TLV to b= ecause there is no neighbor.

 

Tony

 

 

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The new version also includes bunch of editorial changes. I would like to request a WG last call for this document. thanks, Peter On 15/01/2020 14:52, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. > > Title : IS-IS Extension to Support Segment Routing over IPv6 Dataplane > Authors : Peter Psenak > Clarence Filsfils > Ahmed Bashandy > Bruno Decraene > Zhibo Hu > Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04.txt > Pages : 25 > Date : 2020-01-15 > > Abstract: > Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end > paths by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called > "segments". Segment routing architecture can be implemented over an > MPLS data plane as well as an IPv6 data plane. This draft describes > the IS-IS extensions required to support Segment Routing over an IPv6 > data plane. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > > From nobody Wed Jan 15 07:20:41 2020 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<157910311486.4630.701584455962192240@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 07:45:14 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01.txt X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:45:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Invalid TLV Handling in IS-IS Authors : Les Ginsberg Paul Wells Tony Li Tony Przygienda Shraddha Hegde Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2020-01-15 Abstract: Key to the extensibility of the Intermediate System to Intermediate System (IS-IS) protocol has been the handling of unsupported and/or invalid Type/Length/Value (TLV) tuples. Although there are explicit statements in existing specifications, deployment experience has shown that there are inconsistencies in the behavior when a TLV which is disallowed in a particular Protocol Data Unit (PDU) is received. This document discusses such cases and makes the correct behavior explicit in order to insure that interoperability is maximized. This document when approved updates RFC3563, RFC5305, RFC6232, and RFC6233. 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Les > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:45 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Invalid TLV Handling in IS-IS > Authors : Les Ginsberg > Paul Wells > Tony Li > Tony Przygienda > Shraddha Hegde > Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01.txt > Pages : 8 > Date : 2020-01-15 >=20 > Abstract: > Key to the extensibility of the Intermediate System to Intermediate > System (IS-IS) protocol has been the handling of unsupported and/or > invalid Type/Length/Value (TLV) tuples. Although there are explicit > statements in existing specifications, deployment experience has > shown that there are inconsistencies in the behavior when a TLV which > is disallowed in a particular Protocol Data Unit (PDU) is received. >=20 > This document discusses such cases and makes the correct behavior > explicit in order to insure that interoperability is maximized. >=20 > This document when approved updates RFC3563, RFC5305, RFC6232, and > RFC6233. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Wed Jan 15 12:48:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C92120967; 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Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:58:06 -0500 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:58:06 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "draft-ietf-isis-te-app@ietf.org" Cc: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "lsr@ietf.org" , "lsr-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-te-app-09 X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:58:10 -0000 On January 15, 2020 at 3:48:31 PM, Les Ginsberg wrote: Les: Hi! ... > 5. Deployment Considerations > 6. Attribute Advertisements and Enablement > 7. Interoperability, Backwards Compatibility and Migration > Concerns > > Of these I think 5 and 7 could logically be combined and fall under the > heading of "Deployment Considerations". > > Section 6 is discussing a particular aspect of the protocol extensions - = what > the advertisement of link attributes associated with a particular applica= tion > says about the state of that application on that link. This isn't a > deployment consideration. > > I therefore suggest that Section 6 remain as is but be placed BEFORE a ne= w > Deployment Considerations section which will have the combined content of= the > current Sections 5 and 7 - plus revisions based on your comments. > > Let me know if that makes sense to you. Yes, that works for me. > > [c] The OSPF abstract is more general, while this one provides more > > specifics... > > [Les:] And which style do you prefer? Most of the time I prefer the general approach. In this case either works for me. =C2=A0I would simply want to avoid questions about what may look like different scope/goals/functionality... Thanks! Alvaro. 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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 00:23:36 -0000 The WG Last Call has completed successfully, and the document will be = submitted to IESG after the shepherd finishes the write-up. Thanks, Chris. > On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:06 PM, Christian Hopps wrote: >=20 > This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Jan 16th, 2020, for = draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv. >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv/ >=20 > Tony P (other authors already responded during the adoption poll), = please indicate your knowledge of any IPR related to this work to the = list as well. >=20 > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >=20 From nobody Wed Jan 22 01:15:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42222120013; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 01:15:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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d="scan'208";a="22418606" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA; 22 Jan 2020 09:15:00 +0000 Received: from [10.60.140.52] (ams-ppsenak-nitro3.cisco.com [10.60.140.52]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 00M9F0YU012737; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 09:15:00 GMT To: Christian Hopps , lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org, "Acee Lindem (acee)" References: <122B138F-AA4F-4C7C-969C-755DF15F5744@chopps.org> From: Peter Psenak Message-ID: <1a0c5ffa-93f0-f0cf-ca50-d177764fcc98@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:14:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <122B138F-AA4F-4C7C-969C-755DF15F5744@chopps.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.60.140.52, ams-ppsenak-nitro3.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 09:15:04 -0000 Hi Chris, On 22/01/2020 01:14, Christian Hopps wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/ > > Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is posted: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/ I'm not aware of any other IPRs beyond what is posted. thanks, Peter > > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > > From nobody Wed Jan 22 01:31:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F11D120013; 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This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Module for IS-IS Reverse Metric Author : Christian Hopps Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-yang-isis-reverse-metric-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2020-01-22 Abstract: This document defines a YANG module for managing the reverse metric extension to the the intermediate system to intermediate system routeing protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-yang-isis-reverse-metric/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-yang-isis-reverse-metric-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-yang-isis-reverse-metric-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157981074752.22868.14562487461229117346.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:19:07 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] The LSR WG has placed draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:19:08 -0000 The LSR WG has placed draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Christian Hopps) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/ From nobody Thu Jan 23 12:24:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com 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ESMTPSA id 9295E60BD1; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:24:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Hopps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.40.2.2.4\)) Message-Id: <5BC4EF59-6A08-4A99-A688-1266E38C1506@chopps.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 15:24:36 -0500 Cc: Christian Hopps , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , lsr-ads@ietf.org, draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions@ietf.org To: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:24:43 -0000 Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; however, some = comments were received and new version was produced. Moving forward... This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/ =20 Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020. Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that = applies to this draft. 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As a contributor, I am not aware of any undisclosed IPR related to= this draft. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Lsr On Behalf Of Paul Wells (pauwells) Sent: 24 January 2020 06:10 To: chopps@chopps.org; lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions Support. Not aware of any undisclosed IPR. Paul On Tue, 2020-01-21 at 19:14 -0500, Christian Hopps wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for draft-ie= tf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/ >=20 > Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is post= ed: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/ >=20 > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >=20 _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Fri Jan 24 03:45:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFAA12006F; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 03:45:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 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Best Regards, Huaimo From: Lsr on behalf of Christian Hopps Date: Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 3:25 PM To: "lsr@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions@ietf.org" , "lsr-ads@ietf.org" , Christian Ho= pps , "Acee Lindem (acee)" Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; however, some comment= s were received and new version was produced. Moving forward... This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/ Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020. Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that ap= plies to this draft. Thanks, Chris & Acee. _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --_000_SN6PR13MB22718108BD1E7A396A6C1F1AF20E0SN6PR13MB2271namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support.=

 

Best Regards,

Huaimo

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> on be= half of Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 3:25 PM
To: "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions@ietf.org" <dra= ft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions@ietf.org>, "lsr-ads@ietf.org"= <lsr-ads@ietf.org>, Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>, "= ;Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensi= ons

 

Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors,

 

The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; however, some comment= s were received and new version was produced. Moving forward...

 

This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft:

 

Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020.

 

Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that ap= plies to this draft.

 

Thanks,

Chris & Acee.

_______________________________________________

Lsr mailing list

 

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> On Jan 22, 2020, at 1:14 AM, Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>= wrote:
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> This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for draft= -ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions
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From:Christian Hopps To:lsr Cc:lsr-ads ;Christian Hopps ;Acee Lind= em (acee) Date:2020-01-22 08:15:24 Subject:[Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for draft-ietf= -lsr-isis-srv6-extensions https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/ Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is posted= : https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/ Thanks, Chris & Acee. _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --_000_B28D428EF6A04426AB100CB8E43827EE_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From:Christian Hopps <chopps@= chopps.org>
To:lsr <lsr@ietf.org>
Cc:lsr-ads <lsr-ads@ietf.org&= gt;;Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>;Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@c= isco.com>
Date:2020-01-22 08:15:24
Subject:[Lsr] WG Last Call draft= -ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions

This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Fe= b 4, 2020, for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions

  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/
Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is posted= :

  https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/ipr/3796/

Thanks,
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 --_000_B28D428EF6A04426AB100CB8E43827EE_-- From nobody Fri Jan 24 07:15:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0263120824; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:15:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.632 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, INVALID_MSGID=0.568, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7iLCwl8Uy8ps; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:15:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42ABD12088A; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:15:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 6D15A220B5C7B1638D6A; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:15:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) by lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:15:45 +0000 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) by nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:15:42 +0800 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) by nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:15:42 +0800 From: "Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" To: Christian Hopps , lsr CC: draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions , lsr-ads , Christian Hopps , "Acee Lindem (acee)" Thread-Topic: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions Thread-Index: AQHV0is2cUJ9kqcB40GdEsqFmU94xKf57fLw Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:15:42 +0000 Message-ID: C117C0BB-1253-4C26-A613-932339513551 References: <5BC4EF59-6A08-4A99-A688-1266E38C1506@chopps.org> In-Reply-To: <5BC4EF59-6A08-4A99-A688-1266E38C1506@chopps.org> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C117C0BB12534C26A613932339513551_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:15:55 -0000 --_000_C117C0BB12534C26A613932339513551_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable support. From:Christian Hopps To:lsr Cc:draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions ;lsr-ads ;Christian Hopps ;A= cee Lindem (acee) Date:2020-01-24 04:25:11 Subject:[Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; however, some comment= s were received and new version was produced. Moving forward... This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/ Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020. Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that ap= plies to this draft. Thanks, Chris & Acee. _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --_000_C117C0BB12534C26A613932339513551_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From:Christian Hopps <chopps@= chopps.org>
To:lsr <lsr@ietf.org>
Cc:draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-exte= nsions <draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions@ietf.org>;lsr-ads <lsr= -ads@ietf.org>;Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>;Acee Lindem (ac= ee) <acee@cisco.com>
Date:2020-01-24 04:25:11
Subject:[Lsr] WG Adoption Call f= or draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions

Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors,

The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; however, some comment= s were received and new version was produced. Moving forward...

This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft:

  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/  
Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020.

Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that ap= plies to this draft.

Thanks,
Chris & Acee.
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 --_000_C117C0BB12534C26A613932339513551_-- From nobody Fri Jan 24 07:24:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E15120074; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:24:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.402 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_SUMOF=5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MANY_SPAN_IN_TEXT=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kCYCTLrlDlKs; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B204A120025; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.9]) by opfedar23.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 4842xt1nWnzBs4J; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 16:24:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.23]) by opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 4842xt0WFmz5vNq; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 16:24:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::b846:2467:1591:5d9d]) by OPEXCAUBM41.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0468.000; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 16:24:49 +0100 From: To: "lsr@ietf.org" CC: "lsr-ads@ietf.org" , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Christian Hopps Thread-Topic: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions Thread-Index: AQHV0LkAf9QDmDN0/k2d67nGNpYiI6f4WPTg Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:24:49 +0000 Message-ID: <21857_1579879490_5E2B0C42_21857_341_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D6A5CF@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <122B138F-AA4F-4C7C-969C-755DF15F5744@chopps.org> In-Reply-To: <122B138F-AA4F-4C7C-969C-755DF15F5744@chopps.org> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.247] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D6A5CFOPEXCAUBM43corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:24:54 -0000 --_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D6A5CFOPEXCAUBM43corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi authors, WG, I've re-read the draft. Please find below some minor comments and nits. Best regards, --Bruno Minors: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D " A node indicates that it has support for SRv6 by advertising a new SRv6 C= apabilities sub-TLV" I'm not completely certain that "support for SRv6" is perfectly defined. Do= you have a reference? Otherwise may be "is an SRv6 Segment Endpoint Node" = would be better. Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26#se= ction-3 --- =A74.3 "The Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs that c= an be included as part of the "H.Encaps" behavior" This is not crystal clear to me when the "reduced encapsulation" is used. I= n such case we have: a) the number of SID included (N) b) the number of SID included in the SRH (N-1) Could you clarify which one you are referring to? I assume that this is "b" given the text: "If the advertised value is zero then the router can apply H.Encaps only by= encapsulating the incoming packet in another IPv6 header without SRH the = same way IPinIP encapsulation is performed." But to avoid interop issue, I'd prefer the spec to be non ambiguous. (typic= ally by saying "SIDs in a SRH" as indicated in =A74.4 --- =A74.2 "in the top SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply "PSP" or US= P" as defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] flavors" [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] does not define (anymore) "SRH s= tack", nor "top SRH". Please remove those two terms. --- =A74.4 " If the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised then it is assumed that the router cannot apply "End.DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the extension header right underneath the outer IPv6 header is an SRH." There is no requirement for the SRH to be "right underneath the outer IPv6 = header". Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8200#section-4.1 Please clarify what is meant precisely. E.g.: a) if there is an SRH b) if there is a IPv6 routing header c) if there is an IPv6 extension header ? .... Given the wording in =A74.2, I would suggest "a". However, the technical qu= estion remains: are those MSD numbers affected by the presence of another I= Pv6 extension header (before the SRH)? --- OLD: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries on SRv6 capable/SRv= 6 incapable routers. I think the below would be clearer NEW: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries between SRv6 capabl= e and SRv6 incapable routers. ---- =A77.1 " Type: 27 (Suggested value to be assigned by IANA) Length: variable. MTID: Multitopology Identifier as defined in [RFC5120]. Note that the value 0 is legal." Personally I would find clearer to move the above text (describing the SRv6= Locator TLV) just after the Figure of the SRv6 Locator TLV. That would also allow the removal of "Locator entry:" since as a result the= text and figures for the local entry would also be grouped together. ---- =A77.1 "Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the Locator field." I think that this is the number of bits of the SRv6 Locator, rather than th= e number of bits of the field. Proposed NEW: Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the SRv6 Locator. "The Locator is encoded in the minimal number of octets for the given numb= er of bits." Do we want to define the trailing bits? E.g. MUST be sent as zero and ignor= ed when received. ---- =A78.1 (idem for =A78.2) I may be missing something... "All End.X SIDs MUST be a subnet of a Locator with matching topology and algorithm which is advertised by the same node in an SRv6 Locator TLV. =BB OK. So what's the point of advertising a field 'algorithm' in the SRv6 End.X SI= D sub-TLV? The 128-bits SID allows identifying the Locator, which already a= dvertise an algorithm. Advertising again the algorithm with the End.X SID waste space and is an op= portunity for inconsistency hence additional error handling rules/implement= ations. ---- =A78.2 "System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in= [ISO10589]. =BB The field seems of fixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID seem= s to be of a variable length. If so, wouldn't it be useful to indicate how = a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least= significant octets?). ---- =A79 A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be 128 bits. Could you specify the err= or handling when this is not the case? (a choice could be to ignore this Su= b-Sub-TLV; but given the error handling specified for another error, you se= em to prefer to ignore the whole parent TLV. ---- =A79 "ISIS SRv6 SID Structure Sub-Sub-TLV MUST NOT appear more than once in its parent sub-TLV. If it appears more than once in its parent TLV, the parent TLV MUST be ignored by the receiver." In the first sentence, 'parent" refers to the sub-TLV. In the second sentence, 'parent" refers to the TLV. I assume that the second sentence should also refers to the parent 'sub-TLV= ' but I'd prefer this be clarified in the text. ---- =A712.1.1 defines a new IANA registry "sub-sub-TLVs for SRv6 End SID sub-TL= V" =A712.5 defines a new IANA registry "Sub-Sub-TLVs for SID Sub-TLVs" Just checking whether both are needed/intended especially as the second ref= erences section 7.2. (SRv6 End SID sub-TLV) Nits: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Idnits reports 1 error & 1 warning that seem valid : https://tools.ietf.org= /idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions= -04.txt --- Page header is " draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions". Probably a better na= me could be found for the RFC. E.g. 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Hi authors, WG,

 

I've re-read the draft. Please find below some minor comments and nit= s.

 

Best regards,

--Bruno

 

Minors:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

" A node indicates that it has support for SRv6 by advertising a= new SRv6 Capabilities sub-TLV"

I'm not completely certain that "support for SRv6" is perfe= ctly defined. Do you have a reference? Otherwise may be "is an SRv6 Se= gment Endpoint Node" would be better.

Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26#secti= on-3

 

---

=A74.3

"The Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type specifies the maximum numbe= r of SIDs  that can be included as part of the "H.E= ncaps" behavior"

 

This is not crystal clear to me when the "reduced encapsulation&= quot; is used. In such case we have:

a) the number of SID included (N)

b) the number of SID included in the SRH (N-1)

 

Could you clarify which one you are referring to?

 

I assume that this is "b" given the text:=

"If the advertised value is zero then the router can apply H.Encaps only by encapsulating the incoming p= acket in another  IPv6 header without SRH the same way IPinIP encapsulation is performed."

But to avoid interop issue, I'd prefer the spec to be non ambiguous. (typically by saying "SID= s in a SRH" as indicated in =A74.4

 

---

=A74.2

"in  the top SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply "PSP&= quot; or  USP" as defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming]  flavors"

 

[I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] does not define (anymore) = "SRH stack", nor "top SRH". Please remove those two ter= ms.

 

---

=A74.4

 

"      If the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised=

      then it is assumed that the router cannot apply

      "End.DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the extensio= n

      header right underneath the outer IPv6 header is an SRH."<= /o:p>

 

There is no requirement for the SRH to be "right underneath the = outer IPv6 header".

Cf https://tools.i= etf.org/html/rfc8200#section-4.1

 

Please clarify what is meant precisely. E.g.:

a) if there is an SRH

b) if there is a IPv6 routing header

c) if there is  an IPv6 extension header

?

....

 

Given the wording in =A74.2, I would suggest "a". However, = the technical question remains: are those MSD numbers affected by the prese= nce of another IPv6 extension header (before the SRH)?

 

---

OLD: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries on SRv6 capab= le/SRv6 incapable routers.

 

 

I think the below would be clearer

NEW: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries between SRv6 = capable and SRv6 incapable routers.

 

----

=A77.1

 

“
     Type: 27 (Suggested value=
 to be assigned by IANA)
 
     Length: variable.
 
     MTID: Multitopology Identifier as defined in [RFC5120].
     Note that the value 0 is =
legal.”

 

Personally I would find clearer to move the above text (describing th= e SRv6 Locator TLV) just after the Figure of the SRv6 Locator TLV.

 

That would also allow the removal of “Locator entry:” sin= ce as a result the text and figures for the local entry would also be group= ed together.

 

----

=A77.1
“Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the Locator =
field.”
 

I think that this is the number of bits of the SRv6 Locator, rather t= han the number of bits of the field.

 

Proposed NEW: Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the SRv6= Locator.

 

“The Locator is encoded in the min= imal number of  octets for the given number of bits.”

Do we want to define the trailing bits? = E.g. MUST be sent as zero and ignored when received.

 

----

=A78.1 (idem for =A78.2)

I may be missing something…

 

“All End.X SIDs MUST be a subnet of a =
Locator with matching topology

 &n= bsp; and algorithm which is advertised by the same node in an SRv6 Locato= r

 &n= bsp; TLV. =BB

=  

OK.

So what’s the point of advertising= a field ‘algorithm’ in the SRv6 End.X SID sub-TLV? The 128-bits SID allows id= entifying the Locator, which already advertise an algorithm.

Advertising again the algorithm with the End.X SID waste space and is an opportunity f= or inconsistency hence additional error handling rules/implementations.

 

----

=A78.2

“System-I=
D: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined i=
n [ISO10589]. =BB
 

The field seems of fixed length (6 octet= s) while the encoded System ID seems to be of a variable length. If so, wou= ldn’t it be useful to indicate how a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least signifi= cant octets?).

 

----

=A79

A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be = 128 bits. Could you specify the error handling when this is not the case? (= a choice could be to ignore this Sub-Sub-TLV; but given the error handling specified for another error, you seem to pref= er to ignore the whole parent TLV.

----

=A79

“ISIS SRv6 SID Structure Sub-Sub-TLV MUST NOT appear more than once =
in

 &n= bsp; its parent sub-TLV.  If= it appears more than once in its parent TLV,

 &n= bsp; the parent TLV MUST be ignored by the receiver.”

 

In the first sentence, ‘parentR= 21; refers to the sub-TLV.

In the second sentence, ‘parent= 221; refers to the TLV.

I assume that the second sentence should= also refers to the parent ‘sub-TLV’ but I’d prefer this = be clarified in the text.

----

=A712.1.1 defines a new IANA registry &q= uot;sub-sub-TLVs for SRv6 End SID sub-TLV"

=A712.5 defines a new IANA registry R= 20;Sub-Sub-TLVs for SID Sub-TLVs”

 

Just checking whether both are needed/in= tended especially as the second references section 7.2. (SRv6 End SID sub-T= LV)

 

Nits:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Idnits reports 1 error & 1 warning that seem val= id : https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ls= r-isis-srv6-extensions-04.txt

---

Page header is " draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions". Prob= ably a better name could be found for the RFC. E.g. IS-IS extensions for SR= v6.

---

Proposed

OLD:  a combination of SID's

NEW: a combination of SIDs

---

OLD: is received in both in a

NEW: is received in both a

--

OLD: the this draft

NEW: this draft

 

 

 

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Subject: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions

 

This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for draf= t-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions

 

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Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Christian Hopps =20 Sent: 24 January 2020 01:55 To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: Christian Hopps ; Acee Lindem (acee) ; lsr-ads@ietf.org; draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions@ietf.org Subject: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; however, some comment= s were received and new version was produced. Moving forward... This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/ =20 Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020. Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that ap= plies to this draft. Thanks, Chris & Acee. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruno - Regarding =A78.2 "System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in= [ISO10589]. =BB The field seems of fixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID seem= s to be of a variable length. If so, wouldn't it be useful to indicate how = a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least= significant octets?). It is well known that - although ISO 10589 supports a system-id length betw= een 1-8 octets - in practice the length 6 is always used. And of course all= nodes have to agree to use the same length. The comparable text from RFC 8667 Section 2.2.2 says: "Neighbor System-ID: IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in [ISO10589]." I suggest that the text in this draft be modified to match this - and the A= SCII art text changes "6 octets" to "ID Length octets" - again matching RFC= 8667. I think there is no need to spend time discussing lengths other than 6. Would you agree? Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 7:25 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps ; Acee Lindem (ace= e) Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions Hi authors, WG, I've re-read the draft. Please find below some minor comments and nits. Best regards, --Bruno Minors: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D " A node indicates that it has support for SRv6 by advertising a new SRv6 C= apabilities sub-TLV" I'm not completely certain that "support for SRv6" is perfectly defined. Do= you have a reference? Otherwise may be "is an SRv6 Segment Endpoint Node" = would be better. Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26#se= ction-3 --- =A74.3 "The Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs that c= an be included as part of the "H.Encaps" behavior" This is not crystal clear to me when the "reduced encapsulation" is used. I= n such case we have: a) the number of SID included (N) b) the number of SID included in the SRH (N-1) Could you clarify which one you are referring to? I assume that this is "b" given the text: "If the advertised value is zero then the router can apply H.Encaps only by= encapsulating the incoming packet in another IPv6 header without SRH the = same way IPinIP encapsulation is performed." But to avoid interop issue, I'd prefer the spec to be non ambiguous. (typic= ally by saying "SIDs in a SRH" as indicated in =A74.4 --- =A74.2 "in the top SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply "PSP" or US= P" as defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] flavors" [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] does not define (anymore) "SRH s= tack", nor "top SRH". Please remove those two terms. --- =A74.4 " If the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised then it is assumed that the router cannot apply "End.DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the extension header right underneath the outer IPv6 header is an SRH." There is no requirement for the SRH to be "right underneath the outer IPv6 = header". Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8200#section-4.1 Please clarify what is meant precisely. E.g.: a) if there is an SRH b) if there is a IPv6 routing header c) if there is an IPv6 extension header ? .... Given the wording in =A74.2, I would suggest "a". However, the technical qu= estion remains: are those MSD numbers affected by the presence of another I= Pv6 extension header (before the SRH)? --- OLD: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries on SRv6 capable/SRv= 6 incapable routers. I think the below would be clearer NEW: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries between SRv6 capabl= e and SRv6 incapable routers. ---- =A77.1 " Type: 27 (Suggested value to be assigned by IANA) Length: variable. MTID: Multitopology Identifier as defined in [RFC5120]. Note that the value 0 is legal." Personally I would find clearer to move the above text (describing the SRv6= Locator TLV) just after the Figure of the SRv6 Locator TLV. That would also allow the removal of "Locator entry:" since as a result the= text and figures for the local entry would also be grouped together. ---- =A77.1 "Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the Locator field." I think that this is the number of bits of the SRv6 Locator, rather than th= e number of bits of the field. Proposed NEW: Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the SRv6 Locator. "The Locator is encoded in the minimal number of octets for the given numb= er of bits." Do we want to define the trailing bits? E.g. MUST be sent as zero and ignor= ed when received. ---- =A78.1 (idem for =A78.2) I may be missing something... "All End.X SIDs MUST be a subnet of a Locator with matching topology and algorithm which is advertised by the same node in an SRv6 Locator TLV. =BB OK. So what's the point of advertising a field 'algorithm' in the SRv6 End.X SI= D sub-TLV? The 128-bits SID allows identifying the Locator, which already a= dvertise an algorithm. Advertising again the algorithm with the End.X SID waste space and is an op= portunity for inconsistency hence additional error handling rules/implement= ations. ---- =A78.2 "System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in= [ISO10589]. =BB The field seems of fixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID seem= s to be of a variable length. If so, wouldn't it be useful to indicate how = a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least= significant octets?). ---- =A79 A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be 128 bits. Could you specify the err= or handling when this is not the case? (a choice could be to ignore this Su= b-Sub-TLV; but given the error handling specified for another error, you se= em to prefer to ignore the whole parent TLV. ---- =A79 "ISIS SRv6 SID Structure Sub-Sub-TLV MUST NOT appear more than once in its parent sub-TLV. If it appears more than once in its parent TLV, the parent TLV MUST be ignored by the receiver." In the first sentence, 'parent" refers to the sub-TLV. In the second sentence, 'parent" refers to the TLV. I assume that the second sentence should also refers to the parent 'sub-TLV= ' but I'd prefer this be clarified in the text. ---- =A712.1.1 defines a new IANA registry "sub-sub-TLVs for SRv6 End SID sub-TL= V" =A712.5 defines a new IANA registry "Sub-Sub-TLVs for SID Sub-TLVs" Just checking whether both are needed/intended especially as the second ref= erences section 7.2. (SRv6 End SID sub-TLV) Nits: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Idnits reports 1 error & 1 warning that seem valid : https://tools.ietf.org= /idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions= -04.txt --- Page header is " draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions". Probably a better na= me could be found for the RFC. E.g. IS-IS extensions for SRv6. --- Proposed OLD: a combination of SID's NEW: a combination of SIDs --- OLD: is received in both in a NEW: is received in both a -- OLD: the this draft NEW: this draft -----Original Message----- From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christian Hopps Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:15 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps; Acee Lindem= (acee) Subject: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for draft-ietf= -lsr-isis-srv6-extensions https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/ Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is posted= : https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/ Thanks, Chris & Acee. _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Bruno –

 

Regarding

 

<snip>

=A78.2

“System-ID: 6 = octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in [IS= O10589]. =BB

 

The field seems of f= ixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID seems to be of a variabl= e length. If so, wouldn’t it be useful to indicate how a System ID of= a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least significant octets?).

<end snip>

 

It is well known that – although ISO 10589 sup= ports a system-id length between 1-8 octets – in practice the length = 6 is always used. And of course all nodes have to agree to use the same len= gth.

 

The comparable text from RFC 8667 Section 2.2.2 says= :

 

“Neighbor Syst= em-ID:  IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as<= /i>

   &n= bsp;            = ;   defined in [ISO10589].”

 

I suggest that the text in this draft be modified to= match this – and the ASCII art text changes “6 octets” t= o “ID Length octets” – again matching RFC 8667.

 

I think there is no need to spend time discussing le= ngths other than 6.

Would you agree?

 

   Les

 

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 7:25 AM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>; Ace= e Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions<= o:p>

 

Hi authors, WG,

 

I've re-read the draft. Please find below some mi= nor comments and nits.

 

Best regards,

--Bruno

 

Minors:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

" A node indicates that it has support for S= Rv6 by advertising a new SRv6 Capabilities sub-TLV"

I'm not completely certain that "support for= SRv6" is perfectly defined. Do you have a reference? Otherwise may be= "is an SRv6 Segment Endpoint Node" would be better.

Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26#secti= on-3

 

---

=A74.3

"The Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type specifies the= maximum number of SIDs  that can be included as part of the "H.E= ncaps" behavior"

 

This is not crystal clear to me when the "re= duced encapsulation" is used. In such case we have:

a) the number of SID included (N)

b) the number of SID included in the SRH (N-1)

 

Could you clarify which one you are referring to?=

 

I assume that this is "b" given the tex= t:

"If the advertised value is zero then the ro= uter can apply H.Encaps only by encapsulating the incoming packet in anothe= r  IPv6 header without SRH the same way IPinIP encapsulation is perfor= med."

But to avoid interop issue, I'd prefer the spec t= o be non ambiguous. (typically by saying "SIDs in a SRH" as indic= ated in =A74.4

 

---

=A74.2

"in  the top SRH in an SRH stack to whi= ch the router can apply "PSP" or  USP" as defined in [I= -D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming]  flavors"

 

[I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] does n= ot define (anymore) "SRH stack", nor "top SRH". Please = remove those two terms.

 

---

=A74.4

 

"      If the adver= tised value is zero or no value is advertised

      then it is assumed= that the router cannot apply

      "End.DX6"= ; or "End.DT6" behaviors if the extension

      header right under= neath the outer IPv6 header is an SRH."

 

There is no requirement for the SRH to be "r= ight underneath the outer IPv6 header".

Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8200#section-4.1

 

Please clarify what is meant precisely. E.g.:

a) if there is an SRH

b) if there is a IPv6 routing header

c) if there is  an IPv6 extension header

?

....

 

Given the wording in =A74.2, I would suggest &quo= t;a". However, the technical question remains: are those MSD numbers a= ffected by the presence of another IPv6 extension header (before the SRH)?<= o:p>

 

---

OLD: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding e= ntries on SRv6 capable/SRv6 incapable routers.

 

 

I think the below would be clearer

NEW: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding e= ntries between SRv6 capable and SRv6 incapable routers.

 

----

=A77.1

 

“
     Type: 27 (Suggested value to be assigned by I=
ANA)
 
     Length: variable.
 
     MTID: Multitopology Identifier as defined in =
[RFC5120].
     Note that the value 0 is legal.”

 

Personally I would find clearer to move the above= text (describing the SRv6 Locator TLV) just after the Figure of the SRv6 L= ocator TLV.

 

That would also allow the removal of “Locat= or entry:” since as a result the text and figures for the local entry= would also be grouped together.

 

----

=A77.1
“Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the Locator field.”<=
o:p>
 

I think that this is the number of bits of the SR= v6 Locator, rather than the number of bits of the field.

 

Proposed NEW: Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits i= n the SRv6 Locator.

 

“The Locator is encoded in the minimal numb= er of  octets for the given number of bits.”

Do we want to define the trailing bits? E.g. MUST= be sent as zero and ignored when received.

 

----

=A78.1 (idem for =A78.2)

I may be missing something…

 

“All End.X SIDs MUST be a subnet of a Locator with matching topo=
logy

   and algorithm which i= s advertised by the same node in an SRv6 Locator

   TLV. =BB

 

OK.

So what’s the point of advertising a field = ‘algorithm’ in the SRv6 End.X SID sub-TLV? The 128-bits SID all= ows identifying the Locator, which already advertise an algorithm.

Advertising again the algorithm with the End.X SI= D waste space and is an opportunity for inconsistency hence additional erro= r handling rules/implementations.

 

----

=A78.2

“System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Lengt=
h" as defined in [ISO10589]. =BB<=
/o:p>
 

The field seems of fixed length (6 octets) while = the encoded System ID seems to be of a variable length. If so, wouldn’= ;t it be useful to indicate how a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octe= ts is encoded? (in most or least significant octets?).

 

----

=A79

A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be 128 bits.= Could you specify the error handling when this is not the case? (a choice = could be to ignore this Sub-Sub-TLV; but given the error handling specified= for another error, you seem to prefer to ignore the whole parent TLV.

----

=A79

“ISIS SRv6 SID Structure Sub-Sub-TLV MUST NOT appear more than o=
nce in

   its parent sub-TLV.&n= bsp; If it appears more than once in its parent TLV,

   the parent TLV MUST b= e ignored by the receiver.”

 

In the first sentence, ‘parent” refer= s to the sub-TLV.

In the second sentence, ‘parent” refe= rs to the TLV.

I assume that the second sentence should also ref= ers to the parent ‘sub-TLV’ but I’d prefer this be clarif= ied in the text.

----

=A712.1.1 defines a new IANA registry "sub-s= ub-TLVs for SRv6 End SID sub-TLV"

=A712.5 defines a new IANA registry “Sub-Su= b-TLVs for SID Sub-TLVs”

 

Just checking whether both are needed/intended es= pecially as the second references section 7.2. (SRv6 End SID sub-TLV)<= /o:p>

 

Nits:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Idnits reports 1 error & 1 warning that seem = valid : https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ls= r-isis-srv6-extensions-04.txt

---

Page header is " draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-ex= tensions". Probably a better name could be found for the RFC. E.g. IS-= IS extensions for SRv6.

---

Proposed

OLD:  a combination of SID's

NEW: a combination of SIDs

---

OLD: is received in both in a

NEW: is received in both a

--

OLD: the this draft

NEW: this draft

 

 

 

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Subject: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions=

 

This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after F= eb 4, 2020, for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions

 

  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/

 

Authors please indicate if you aware of any other= IPR beyond what is posted:

 

  https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/

 

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Chris & Acee.

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Les > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 12:25 PM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Cc: draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions@ietf.org; lsr-ads@ietf.org; Chris= tian > Hopps ; Acee Lindem (acee) > Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions >=20 > Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, >=20 > The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; however, some > comments were received and new version was produced. Moving forward... >=20 > This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/ >=20 > Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020. >=20 > Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that > applies to this draft. >=20 > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Fri Jan 24 09:18:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F39C120A8C; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:18:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.402 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_SUMOF=5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e4OS-bEomnqX; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E3DA120B43; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfedar02.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.4]) by opfedar25.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 4845T65Zwdz8sqf; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 18:18:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.64]) by opfedar02.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 4845T63q26zCqkt; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 18:18:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::b846:2467:1591:5d9d]) by OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::90fe:7dc1:fb15:a02b%21]) with mapi id 14.03.0468.000; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 18:18:34 +0100 From: To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "lsr@ietf.org" CC: "lsr-ads@ietf.org" , Christian Hopps , "Acee Lindem (acee)" Thread-Topic: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions Thread-Index: AQHV0LlFf9QDmDN0/k2d67nGNpYiI6f582KAgAARzyCAAASfkA== Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 17:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: <8350_1579886314_5E2B26EA_8350_27_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D6AAB9@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <122B138F-AA4F-4C7C-969C-755DF15F5744@chopps.org> <21857_1579879490_5E2B0C42_21857_341_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D6A5CF@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.247] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D6AAB9OPEXCAUBM43corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 17:18:45 -0000 --_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D6AAB9OPEXCAUBM43corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Les, From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 5:39 PM To: DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN; lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps; Acee Lindem (acee) Subject: RE: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions Bruno - Regarding =A78.2 "System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in= [ISO10589]. =BB The field seems of fixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID seem= s to be of a variable length. If so, wouldn't it be useful to indicate how = a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least= significant octets?). It is well known that - although ISO 10589 supports a system-id length betw= een 1-8 octets - in practice the length 6 is always used. And of course all= nodes have to agree to use the same length. [Bruno] Just to clarify, I was asking for consistency between the length of= the field ('6 octets') and the lengths of its content (' "ID Length" as d= efined in [ISO10589] '). The comparable text from RFC 8667 Section 2.2.2 says: "Neighbor System-ID: IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in [ISO10589]." I suggest that the text in this draft be modified to match this - and the A= SCII art text changes "6 octets" to "ID Length octets" - again matching RFC= 8667. [Bruno] Looks better as this is consistent. I feel that it could be even be= tter as I still see two options: - a) If the length of the System ID is fixed to 6, I think that th= is needs to be indicated in the draft (rather than "as defined in [ISO10589= ]" which allows for a variable length). - b) If the length of the System ID is variable "as defined in [IS= O10589]", then I don't see how the receiver can know this length and succes= sfully parse the sub-TLV, except may be by looking at another field in the = LSP Looking at RFC 5305, it seems to define/hard code a length of 6 for the ID,= which is aligned with option "a" and what is much probably meant in this d= raft. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5305#section-3 (That been said RFC 5306 (i.e. next RFC) , which you co-author, seems to al= low for a variable length....) Hence I would rather propose "System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID" as p= er option "a". But I'm also fine with option "b" if you want. --Bruno I think there is no need to spend time discussing lengths other than 6. Would you agree? Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 7:25 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps ; Acee Lindem (ace= e) Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions Hi authors, WG, I've re-read the draft. Please find below some minor comments and nits. Best regards, --Bruno Minors: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D " A node indicates that it has support for SRv6 by advertising a new SRv6 C= apabilities sub-TLV" I'm not completely certain that "support for SRv6" is perfectly defined. Do= you have a reference? Otherwise may be "is an SRv6 Segment Endpoint Node" = would be better. Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26#se= ction-3 --- =A74.3 "The Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs that c= an be included as part of the "H.Encaps" behavior" This is not crystal clear to me when the "reduced encapsulation" is used. I= n such case we have: a) the number of SID included (N) b) the number of SID included in the SRH (N-1) Could you clarify which one you are referring to? I assume that this is "b" given the text: "If the advertised value is zero then the router can apply H.Encaps only by= encapsulating the incoming packet in another IPv6 header without SRH the = same way IPinIP encapsulation is performed." But to avoid interop issue, I'd prefer the spec to be non ambiguous. (typic= ally by saying "SIDs in a SRH" as indicated in =A74.4 --- =A74.2 "in the top SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply "PSP" or US= P" as defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] flavors" [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] does not define (anymore) "SRH s= tack", nor "top SRH". Please remove those two terms. --- =A74.4 " If the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised then it is assumed that the router cannot apply "End.DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the extension header right underneath the outer IPv6 header is an SRH." There is no requirement for the SRH to be "right underneath the outer IPv6 = header". Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8200#section-4.1 Please clarify what is meant precisely. E.g.: a) if there is an SRH b) if there is a IPv6 routing header c) if there is an IPv6 extension header ? .... Given the wording in =A74.2, I would suggest "a". However, the technical qu= estion remains: are those MSD numbers affected by the presence of another I= Pv6 extension header (before the SRH)? --- OLD: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries on SRv6 capable/SRv= 6 incapable routers. I think the below would be clearer NEW: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries between SRv6 capabl= e and SRv6 incapable routers. ---- =A77.1 " Type: 27 (Suggested value to be assigned by IANA) Length: variable. MTID: Multitopology Identifier as defined in [RFC5120]. Note that the value 0 is legal." Personally I would find clearer to move the above text (describing the SRv6= Locator TLV) just after the Figure of the SRv6 Locator TLV. That would also allow the removal of "Locator entry:" since as a result the= text and figures for the local entry would also be grouped together. ---- =A77.1 "Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the Locator field." I think that this is the number of bits of the SRv6 Locator, rather than th= e number of bits of the field. Proposed NEW: Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the SRv6 Locator. "The Locator is encoded in the minimal number of octets for the given numb= er of bits." Do we want to define the trailing bits? E.g. MUST be sent as zero and ignor= ed when received. ---- =A78.1 (idem for =A78.2) I may be missing something... "All End.X SIDs MUST be a subnet of a Locator with matching topology and algorithm which is advertised by the same node in an SRv6 Locator TLV. =BB OK. So what's the point of advertising a field 'algorithm' in the SRv6 End.X SI= D sub-TLV? The 128-bits SID allows identifying the Locator, which already a= dvertise an algorithm. Advertising again the algorithm with the End.X SID waste space and is an op= portunity for inconsistency hence additional error handling rules/implement= ations. ---- =A78.2 "System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in= [ISO10589]. =BB The field seems of fixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID seem= s to be of a variable length. If so, wouldn't it be useful to indicate how = a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least= significant octets?). ---- =A79 A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be 128 bits. Could you specify the err= or handling when this is not the case? (a choice could be to ignore this Su= b-Sub-TLV; but given the error handling specified for another error, you se= em to prefer to ignore the whole parent TLV. ---- =A79 "ISIS SRv6 SID Structure Sub-Sub-TLV MUST NOT appear more than once in its parent sub-TLV. If it appears more than once in its parent TLV, the parent TLV MUST be ignored by the receiver." In the first sentence, 'parent" refers to the sub-TLV. In the second sentence, 'parent" refers to the TLV. I assume that the second sentence should also refers to the parent 'sub-TLV= ' but I'd prefer this be clarified in the text. ---- =A712.1.1 defines a new IANA registry "sub-sub-TLVs for SRv6 End SID sub-TL= V" =A712.5 defines a new IANA registry "Sub-Sub-TLVs for SID Sub-TLVs" Just checking whether both are needed/intended especially as the second ref= erences section 7.2. (SRv6 End SID sub-TLV) Nits: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Idnits reports 1 error & 1 warning that seem valid : https://tools.ietf.org= /idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions= -04.txt --- Page header is " draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions". Probably a better na= me could be found for the RFC. E.g. 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Les,

 

 

From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 5:39 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN; lsr@ietf.org
Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps; Acee Lindem (acee)
Subject: RE: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions<= o:p>

 

Bruno –

 

Regarding

 

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=A78.2

“System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS Syst= em-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in [ISO10589]. =BB

 

The field seems of fixed length (6 octet= s) while the encoded System ID seems to be of a variable length. If so, wou= ldn’t it be useful to indicate how a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least signifi= cant octets?).

<end snip>

 

It is well known that – although ISO = 10589 supports a system-id length between 1-8 octets – in practice th= e length 6 is always used. And of course all nodes have to agree to use the same length.

[Bruno] Just to clarify, I was asking for consistency between the length of the fi= eld (‘6 octets’) and the lengths of its content (‘  "ID Length" as defined in [ISO10589] ‘).<= /span>

 

The comparable text from RFC 8667 Section 2= .2.2 says:

 

“Neighbor System-ID:  IS-IS S= ystem-ID of length "ID Length" as

      &nbs= p;            define= d in [ISO10589].”

 

I suggest that the text in this draft be mo= dified to match this – and the ASCII art text changes “6 octets= ” to “ID Length octets” – again matching RFC 8667.<= o:p>

 

[Bruno] Looks better as = this is consistent. I feel that it could be even better as I still see two options:

- =          a) If the length= of the System ID is fixed to 6, I think that this needs to be indicated in the draft (rather than “as defined in = [ISO10589]” which allows for a variable length).

- =          b) If the length= of the System ID is variable “as defined in [ISO10589]”, then I don’t see how the receiver can know this length and successfu= lly parse the sub-TLV, except may be by looking at another field in the LSP=

 =

Looking at RFC 5305, it = seems to define/hard code a length of 6 for the ID, which is aligned with option “a” and what is much probably= meant in this draft. https://tools.iet= f.org/html/rfc5305#section-3

(That been said RFC 5306= (i.e. next RFC) , which you co-author, seems to allow for a variable length….)

 = 

Hence I would rather propose  “System-ID: 6 oct=
ets of IS-IS System-ID” as per opt=
ion “a”. But I’m also fine with option “b” if=
 you want.

 =

--Bruno

I think there is no need to spend time disc= ussing lengths other than 6.

Would you agree?

 

 

   Les

 

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 7:25 AM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>; Ace= e Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions<= o:p>

 

Hi authors, WG,

 

I've re-read the draft. Please find belo= w some minor comments and nits.

 

Best regards,

--Bruno

 

Minors:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

" A node indicates that it has supp= ort for SRv6 by advertising a new SRv6 Capabilities sub-TLV"

I'm not completely certain that "su= pport for SRv6" is perfectly defined. Do you have a reference? Otherwi= se may be "is an SRv6 Segment Endpoint Node" would be better.

Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26#secti= on-3

 

---

=A74.3

"The Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type spec= ifies the maximum number of SIDs  that can be included as part of the = "H.Encaps" behavior"

 

This is not crystal clear to me when the= "reduced encapsulation" is used. In such case we have:

a) the number of SID included (N)

b) the number of SID included in the SRH= (N-1)

 

Could you clarify which one you are refe= rring to?

 

I assume that this is "b" give= n the text:

"If the advertised value is zero th= en the router can apply H.Encaps only by encapsulating the incoming packet = in another  IPv6 header without SRH the same way IPinIP encapsulation is performed."

But to avoid interop issue, I'd prefer t= he spec to be non ambiguous. (typically by saying "SIDs in a SRH"= as indicated in =A74.4

 

---

=A74.2

"in  the top SRH in an SRH sta= ck to which the router can apply "PSP" or  USP" as defi= ned in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming]  flavors"<= /o:p>

 

[I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programmin= g] does not define (anymore) "SRH stack", nor "top SRH"= . Please remove those two terms.

 

---

=A74.4

 

"      If = the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised

      then it i= s assumed that the router cannot apply

      "End= .DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the extension

      header ri= ght underneath the outer IPv6 header is an SRH."

 

There is no requirement for the SRH to b= e "right underneath the outer IPv6 header".

Cf https://tools.i= etf.org/html/rfc8200#section-4.1

 

Please clarify what is meant precisely. = E.g.:

a) if there is an SRH<= /p>

b) if there is a IPv6 routing header

c) if there is  an IPv6 extension h= eader

?

....

 

Given the wording in =A74.2, I would sug= gest "a". However, the technical question remains: are those MSD = numbers affected by the presence of another IPv6 extension header (before the SRH)?

 

---

OLD: This is to prevent inconsistent for= warding entries on SRv6 capable/SRv6 incapable routers.

 

 

I think the below would be clearer<= /o:p>

NEW: This is to prevent inconsistent for= warding entries between SRv6 capable and SRv6 incapable routers.=

 

----

=A77.1

 

“
   &nbs=
p; Type: 27 (Suggested value to be assigned by IANA)
 
   &nbs=
p; Length: variable.
 
   &nbs=
p; MTID: Multitopology Identifier as defined in [RFC5120].
   &nbs=
p; Note that the value 0 is legal.”

 

Personally I would find clearer to move = the above text (describing the SRv6 Locator TLV) just after the Figure of t= he SRv6 Locator TLV.

 

That would also allow the removal of = 220;Locator entry:” since as a result the text and figures for the lo= cal entry would also be grouped together.

 

----

=A77.1
“Loc-Size: 1 oct=
et. Number of bits in the Locator field.”
 

I think that this is the number of bits = of the SRv6 Locator, rather than the number of bits of the field.

 

Proposed NEW: Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number = of bits in the SRv6 Locator.

 

“The Locator is encoded in the min= imal number of  octets for the given number of bits.”=

Do we want to define the trailing bits? = E.g. MUST be sent as zero and ignored when received.

 

----

=A78.1 (idem for =A78.2)

I may be missing something…

 

“All End.X SIDs =
MUST be a subnet of a Locator with matching topology

   and algorithm which is advertised by the same node i= n an SRv6 Locator

   TLV. =BB

 

OK.

So what’s the point of advertising= a field ‘algorithm’ in the SRv6 End.X SID sub-TLV? The 128-bit= s SID allows identifying the Locator, which already advertise an algorithm.

Advertising again the algorithm with the= End.X SID waste space and is an opportunity for inconsistency hence additi= onal error handling rules/implementations.

 

----

=A78.2

“System-ID: 6 oc=
tets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in [ISO10589]. =BB
 

The field seems of fixed length (6 octet= s) while the encoded System ID seems to be of a variable length. If so, wou= ldn’t it be useful to indicate how a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least signifi= cant octets?).

 

----

=A79

A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be = 128 bits. Could you specify the error handling when this is not the case? (= a choice could be to ignore this Sub-Sub-TLV; but given the error handling specified for another error, you seem to pref= er to ignore the whole parent TLV.

----

=A79

“ISIS SRv6 SID S=
tructure Sub-Sub-TLV MUST NOT appear more than once in

   its parent sub-TLV.  If it appears more than on=
ce in its parent TLV,


   the parent TLV MUST be ignored by the receiver.̶=
1;


 


In the first sentence, ‘parentR=
21; refers to the sub-TLV.


In the second sentence, ‘parent=
221; refers to the TLV.


I assume that the second sentence should=
 also refers to the parent ‘sub-TLV’ but I’d prefer this =
be clarified in the text.


----


=A712.1.1 defines a new IANA registry &q=
uot;sub-sub-TLVs for SRv6 End SID sub-TLV"


=A712.5 defines a new IANA registry R=
20;Sub-Sub-TLVs for SID Sub-TLVs”


 


Just checking whether both are needed/in=
tended especially as the second references section 7.2. (SRv6 End SID sub-T=
LV)


 


Nits:


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D


Idnits reports 1 error & 1 warning t=
hat seem valid :

https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ls=
r-isis-srv6-extensions-04.txt


---


Page header is " draft-bashandy-isi=
s-srv6-extensions". Probably a better name could be found for the RFC.=
 E.g. IS-IS extensions for SRv6.


---


Proposed


OLD:  a combination of SID's


NEW: a combination of SIDs


---


OLD: is received in both in a=



NEW: is received in both a


--


OLD: the this draft


NEW: this draft


 


 


 


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This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, endin=
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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruno - ISO 10589 defines/advertises a system ID length which can be 1-8 octets. ISO 10589 also requires that every router in the domain use the same ID len= gth: 7.3.15.1 Action on receipt of a link state PDU ... 4) If the ID Length field of the PDU is not equal to the value o= f the IS's routeingDomainIDLength, the PDU shall be discarded and an iDFiel= dLengthMismatch event generated. As previously stated, from a practical standpoint, existing implementations= only support a length of 6 - which is why RFC 5305 definition "works". But= if there was ever a need to support an ID length other than 6, the TLV def= inition defined in RFC 5305 would still work - it would just have to be rei= nterpreted to use the ID length defined for the domain. In most specifications, we try to use ID Length so this issue is more expli= citly addressed and I think that is the more preferred method. So I do not = agree that we should use "6 explicitly". If you want to pursue a clarification regarding RFC 5305 in this regard you= may - though I hope we could agree this isn't a high priority issue. Les From: bruno.decraene@orange.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 9:19 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps ; Acee Lindem (ace= e) Subject: RE: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions Les, From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 5:39 PM To: DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN; lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps; Acee Lindem= (acee) Subject: RE: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions Bruno - Regarding =A78.2 "System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in= [ISO10589]. =BB The field seems of fixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID seem= s to be of a variable length. If so, wouldn't it be useful to indicate how = a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least= significant octets?). It is well known that - although ISO 10589 supports a system-id length betw= een 1-8 octets - in practice the length 6 is always used. And of course all= nodes have to agree to use the same length. [Bruno] Just to clarify, I was asking for consistency between the length of= the field ('6 octets') and the lengths of its content (' "ID Length" as d= efined in [ISO10589] '). The comparable text from RFC 8667 Section 2.2.2 says: "Neighbor System-ID: IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in [ISO10589]." I suggest that the text in this draft be modified to match this - and the A= SCII art text changes "6 octets" to "ID Length octets" - again matching RFC= 8667. [Bruno] Looks better as this is consistent. I feel that it could be even be= tter as I still see two options: * a) If the length of the System ID is fixed to 6, I think that this ne= eds to be indicated in the draft (rather than "as defined in [ISO10589]" wh= ich allows for a variable length). * b) If the length of the System ID is variable "as defined in [ISO1058= 9]", then I don't see how the receiver can know this length and successfull= y parse the sub-TLV, except may be by looking at another field in the LSP Looking at RFC 5305, it seems to define/hard code a length of 6 for the ID,= which is aligned with option "a" and what is much probably meant in this d= raft. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5305#section-3 (That been said RFC 5306 (i.e. next RFC) , which you co-author, seems to al= low for a variable length....) Hence I would rather propose "System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID" as p= er option "a". But I'm also fine with option "b" if you want. --Bruno I think there is no need to spend time discussing lengths other than 6. Would you agree? Les From: Lsr > On Behalf Of = bruno.decraene@orange.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 7:25 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps >; Acee Lindem (acee) > Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions Hi authors, WG, I've re-read the draft. Please find below some minor comments and nits. Best regards, --Bruno Minors: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D " A node indicates that it has support for SRv6 by advertising a new SRv6 C= apabilities sub-TLV" I'm not completely certain that "support for SRv6" is perfectly defined. Do= you have a reference? Otherwise may be "is an SRv6 Segment Endpoint Node" = would be better. Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26#se= ction-3 --- =A74.3 "The Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs that c= an be included as part of the "H.Encaps" behavior" This is not crystal clear to me when the "reduced encapsulation" is used. I= n such case we have: a) the number of SID included (N) b) the number of SID included in the SRH (N-1) Could you clarify which one you are referring to? I assume that this is "b" given the text: "If the advertised value is zero then the router can apply H.Encaps only by= encapsulating the incoming packet in another IPv6 header without SRH the = same way IPinIP encapsulation is performed." But to avoid interop issue, I'd prefer the spec to be non ambiguous. (typic= ally by saying "SIDs in a SRH" as indicated in =A74.4 --- =A74.2 "in the top SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply "PSP" or US= P" as defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] flavors" [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] does not define (anymore) "SRH s= tack", nor "top SRH". Please remove those two terms. --- =A74.4 " If the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised then it is assumed that the router cannot apply "End.DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the extension header right underneath the outer IPv6 header is an SRH." There is no requirement for the SRH to be "right underneath the outer IPv6 = header". Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8200#section-4.1 Please clarify what is meant precisely. E.g.: a) if there is an SRH b) if there is a IPv6 routing header c) if there is an IPv6 extension header ? .... Given the wording in =A74.2, I would suggest "a". However, the technical qu= estion remains: are those MSD numbers affected by the presence of another I= Pv6 extension header (before the SRH)? --- OLD: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries on SRv6 capable/SRv= 6 incapable routers. I think the below would be clearer NEW: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries between SRv6 capabl= e and SRv6 incapable routers. ---- =A77.1 " Type: 27 (Suggested value to be assigned by IANA) Length: variable. MTID: Multitopology Identifier as defined in [RFC5120]. Note that the value 0 is legal." Personally I would find clearer to move the above text (describing the SRv6= Locator TLV) just after the Figure of the SRv6 Locator TLV. That would also allow the removal of "Locator entry:" since as a result the= text and figures for the local entry would also be grouped together. ---- =A77.1 "Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the Locator field." I think that this is the number of bits of the SRv6 Locator, rather than th= e number of bits of the field. Proposed NEW: Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the SRv6 Locator. "The Locator is encoded in the minimal number of octets for the given numb= er of bits." Do we want to define the trailing bits? E.g. MUST be sent as zero and ignor= ed when received. ---- =A78.1 (idem for =A78.2) I may be missing something... "All End.X SIDs MUST be a subnet of a Locator with matching topology and algorithm which is advertised by the same node in an SRv6 Locator TLV. =BB OK. So what's the point of advertising a field 'algorithm' in the SRv6 End.X SI= D sub-TLV? The 128-bits SID allows identifying the Locator, which already a= dvertise an algorithm. Advertising again the algorithm with the End.X SID waste space and is an op= portunity for inconsistency hence additional error handling rules/implement= ations. ---- =A78.2 "System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in= [ISO10589]. =BB The field seems of fixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID seem= s to be of a variable length. If so, wouldn't it be useful to indicate how = a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least= significant octets?). ---- =A79 A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be 128 bits. Could you specify the err= or handling when this is not the case? (a choice could be to ignore this Su= b-Sub-TLV; but given the error handling specified for another error, you se= em to prefer to ignore the whole parent TLV. ---- =A79 "ISIS SRv6 SID Structure Sub-Sub-TLV MUST NOT appear more than once in its parent sub-TLV. If it appears more than once in its parent TLV, the parent TLV MUST be ignored by the receiver." In the first sentence, 'parent" refers to the sub-TLV. In the second sentence, 'parent" refers to the TLV. I assume that the second sentence should also refers to the parent 'sub-TLV= ' but I'd prefer this be clarified in the text. ---- =A712.1.1 defines a new IANA registry "sub-sub-TLVs for SRv6 End SID sub-TL= V" =A712.5 defines a new IANA registry "Sub-Sub-TLVs for SID Sub-TLVs" Just checking whether both are needed/intended especially as the second ref= erences section 7.2. (SRv6 End SID sub-TLV) Nits: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Idnits reports 1 error & 1 warning that seem valid : https://tools.ietf.org= /idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions= -04.txt --- Page header is " draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions". Probably a better na= me could be found for the RFC. E.g. 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Bruno –

 

ISO 10589 defines/advertises a system ID length whic= h can be 1-8 octets.

ISO 10589 also requires that every router in the dom= ain use the same ID length:

 

7.3.15.1 Action on r= eceipt of a link state PDU

…

4)   =          If the ID Length field of = the PDU is not equal to the value of the IS’s routeingDomainIDLength,= the PDU shall be discarded and an iDFieldLengthMismatch event generated.

 

As previously stated, from a practical standpoint, e= xisting implementations only support a length of 6 – which is why RFC= 5305 definition “works”. But if there was ever a need to suppo= rt an ID length other than 6, the TLV definition defined in RFC 5305 would still work – it would just have to be reinterprete= d to use the ID length defined for the domain.

 

In most specifications, we try to use ID Length so t= his issue is more explicitly addressed and I think that is the more preferr= ed method. So I do not agree that we should use “6 explicitly”.=

 

If you want to pursue a clarification regarding RFC = 5305 in this regard you may – though I hope we could agree this isn&#= 8217;t a high priority issue.

 

   Les

 

 

 

From: bruno.decraene@orange.com <bruno.dec= raene@orange.com>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 9:19 AM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org=
Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>; Ace= e Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions<= o:p>

 

Les,<= /o:p>

 = ;

 = ;

From: Les= Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg= @cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 5:39 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN; lsr@ietf= .org
Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christ= ian Hopps; Acee Lindem (acee)
Subject: RE: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions<= o:p>

 

Bruno –

 

Regarding

 

<snip>

=A78.2

“System-ID: 6 = octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined in [IS= O10589]. =BB

 

The field seems of f= ixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID seems to be of a variabl= e length. If so, wouldn’t it be useful to indicate how a System ID of= a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least significant octets?).

<end snip>

 

It is well known that &= #8211; although ISO 10589 supports a system-id length between 1-8 octets &#= 8211; in practice the length 6 is always used. And of course all nodes have= to agree to use the same length.

[Bruno] Just to clarif= y, I was asking for consistency between the length of the field (‘6 o= ctets’) and the lengths of its content (‘  "ID Length= " as defined in [ISO10589] ‘).

 

The comparable text fro= m RFC 8667 Section 2.2.2 says:

 

“Neighbor Syst= em-ID:  IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as<= /i>

   &n= bsp;            = ;   defined in [ISO10589].”

 

I suggest that the text= in this draft be modified to match this – and the ASCII art text cha= nges “6 octets” to “ID Length octets” – again= matching RFC 8667.

 

[Bruno] Looks better a= s this is consistent. I feel that it could be even better as I still see tw= o options:

  • a) If the length of the System ID is fixed to 6, I think that this needs to= be indicated in the draft (rather than “as defined in [ISO10589]R= 21; which allows for a variable length).
  • b) If the length of the System ID is variable “as defined in [ISO1058= 9]”, then I don’t see how the receiver can know this length and= successfully parse the sub-TLV, except may be by looking at another field = in the LSP

 

Looking at RFC 5305, i= t seems to define/hard code a length of 6 for the ID, which is aligned with= option “a” and what is much probably meant in this draft. https://tools.iet= f.org/html/rfc5305#section-3

(That been said RFC 53= 06 (i.e. next RFC) , which you co-author, seems to allow for a variable len= gth….)

 

Hence I would rather propose  ̶=
0;System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID” as per option “a”. But I’m also fine with opti=
on “b” if you want.

 

--Bruno

 

I think there is no nee= d to spend time discussing lengths other than 6.

Would you agree?

 

 

   Les

 

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of bruno.decr= aene@orange.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 7:25 AM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christ= ian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>= ;; Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com<= /a>>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions<= o:p>

 

Hi authors, WG,=

 

I've re-read the dra= ft. Please find below some minor comments and nits.

 

Best regards,

--Bruno

 

Minors:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

" A node indica= tes that it has support for SRv6 by advertising a new SRv6 Capabilities sub= -TLV"

I'm not completely c= ertain that "support for SRv6" is perfectly defined. Do you have = a reference? Otherwise may be "is an SRv6 Segment Endpoint Node" = would be better.

Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26#secti= on-3

 

---

=A74.3

"The Maximum H.= Encaps MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs  that can be incl= uded as part of the "H.Encaps" behavior"

 

This is not crystal = clear to me when the "reduced encapsulation" is used. In such cas= e we have:

a) the number of SID= included (N)

b) the number of SID= included in the SRH (N-1)

 

Could you clarify wh= ich one you are referring to?

 

I assume that this i= s "b" given the text:

"If the adverti= sed value is zero then the router can apply H.Encaps only by encapsulating = the incoming packet in another  IPv6 header without SRH the same way I= PinIP encapsulation is performed."

But to avoid interop= issue, I'd prefer the spec to be non ambiguous. (typically by saying "= ;SIDs in a SRH" as indicated in =A74.4

 

---

=A74.2

"in  the t= op SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply "PSP" or&nbs= p; USP" as defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] = flavors"

 

[I-D.ietf-spring-srv= 6-network-programming] does not define (anymore) "SRH stack", nor= "top SRH". Please remove those two terms.

 

---

=A74.4

 

"  &n= bsp;   If the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised<= o:p>

   &n= bsp;  then it is assumed that the router cannot apply

   &n= bsp;  "End.DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the exte= nsion

   &n= bsp;  header right underneath the outer IPv6 header is an SRH."

 

There is no requirem= ent for the SRH to be "right underneath the outer IPv6 header".

Cf https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8200#section-4.1

 

Please clarify what = is meant precisely. E.g.:

a) if there is an SR= H

b) if there is a IPv= 6 routing header

c) if there is = an IPv6 extension header

?

....

 

Given the wording in= =A74.2, I would suggest "a". However, the technical question rem= ains: are those MSD numbers affected by the presence of another IPv6 extens= ion header (before the SRH)?

 

---

OLD: This is to prev= ent inconsistent forwarding entries on SRv6 capable/SRv6 incapable routers.=

 

 

I think the below wo= uld be clearer

NEW: This is to prev= ent inconsistent forwarding entries between SRv6 capable and SRv6 incapable= routers.

 

----

=A77.1

  

“
     Type: 27 (Suggested va=
lue to be assigned by IANA)
 
     Length: variable.=

 
     MTID: Multitopology Id=
entifier as defined in [RFC51=
20].
     Note that the value 0 =
is legal.”

 

Personally I would f= ind clearer to move the above text (describing the SRv6 Locator TLV) just a= fter the Figure of the SRv6 Locator TLV.

 

That would also allo= w the removal of “Locator entry:” since as a result the text an= d figures for the local entry would also be grouped together.

 

----

=A77.1
“Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the=
 Locator field.”
 

I think that this is= the number of bits of the SRv6 Locator, rather than the number of bits of = the field.

 

Proposed NEW: Loc-Si= ze: 1 octet. Number of bits in the SRv6 Locator.

 

“The Locator i= s encoded in the minimal number of  octets for the given number of bit= s.”

Do we want to define= the trailing bits? E.g. MUST be sent as zero and ignored when received.

 

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=A78.1 (idem for =A7= 8.2)

I may be missing som= ething…

  

“All End.X SIDs MUST be a subnet of a Loc=
ator with matching topology

   and algorithm wh= ich is advertised by the same node in an SRv6 Locator

   TLV. =BB

 =

OK.

So what’s the = point of advertising a field ‘algorithm’ in the SRv6 End.X SID = sub-TLV? The 128-bits SID allows identifying the Locator, which already adv= ertise an algorithm.

Advertising again th= e algorithm with the End.X SID waste space and is an opportunity for incons= istency hence additional error handling rules/implementations.

 

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=A78.2 

“System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID o=
f length "ID Length" as defined in [ISO10589].&nb=
sp;=BB
 

The field seems of f= ixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID seems to be of a variabl= e length. If so, wouldn’t it be useful to indicate how a System ID of= a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? (in most or least significant octets?).

 

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=A79

A priori the sum of = all 4 sizes must be 128 bits. Could you specify the error handling when thi= s is not the case? (a choice could be to ignore this Sub-Sub-TLV; but given= the error handling specified for another error, you seem to prefer to ignore the whole parent TLV.

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=A79

“ISIS SRv6 SID Structure Sub-Sub-TLV MUST=
 NOT appear more than once in

   its parent sub-T= LV.  If it appears more than once in its parent TLV,=

   the parent TLV M= UST be ignored by the receiver.”

 

In the first sentenc= e, ‘parent” refers to the sub-TLV.

In the second senten= ce, ‘parent” refers to the TLV.

I assume that the se= cond sentence should also refers to the parent ‘sub-TLV’ but I&= #8217;d prefer this be clarified in the text.

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=A712.1.1 defines a = new IANA registry "sub-sub-TLVs for SRv6 End SID sub-TLV"

=A712.5 defines a ne= w IANA registry “Sub-Sub-TLVs for SID Sub-TLVs”

 

Just checking whethe= r both are needed/intended especially as the second references section 7.2.= (SRv6 End SID sub-TLV)

 

Nits:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Idnits reports 1 err= or & 1 warning that seem valid : https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ls= r-isis-srv6-extensions-04.txt

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Page header is "= ; draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions". Probably a better name could b= e found for the RFC. E.g. IS-IS extensions for SRv6.

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Proposed<= /p>

OLD:  a combina= tion of SID's

NEW: a combination o= f SIDs

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OLD: is received in = both in a

NEW: is received in = both a

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OLD: the this draft<= o:p>

NEW: this draft=

 

 

 

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--_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5F9E0D0NKGEML515MBXchi_-- From nobody Mon Jan 27 04:43:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2D31200DF; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:43:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, GB_SUMOF=5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jgbR_29-x9sC; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD82112008D; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:43:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=10367; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1580128997; x=1581338597; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nUTrOF0hnSO6404ArG2BwP/J8NPAF48gggE/OQWI28o=; b=gifDi9SOwcZoj81w2ZbqIaXEBUcK7uJe6UmshGmG5KA4YJFiqFSjqsn7 ZxVYo0H+D3DFAce233uTmIkaw2nHRcRDlLW0CfMomiPjUawCFvZDAAG1T aAVhc0ziRFc+d+ecwbVq1/o7dlFXkc+HjSjJZxJMjumYhk0HGPE1s/h+4 U=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.70,369,1574121600"; d="scan'208";a="22639497" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA; 27 Jan 2020 12:43:15 +0000 Received: from [10.60.140.52] (ams-ppsenak-nitro3.cisco.com [10.60.140.52]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 00RChEf0022658; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 12:43:14 GMT To: bruno.decraene@orange.com, "lsr@ietf.org" Cc: "lsr-ads@ietf.org" , Christian Hopps , "Acee Lindem (acee)" References: <122B138F-AA4F-4C7C-969C-755DF15F5744@chopps.org> <21857_1579879490_5E2B0C42_21857_341_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D6A5CF@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Peter Psenak Message-ID: <189d3388-401e-4f54-ab8e-b9c0e53bfc3d@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:43:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <21857_1579879490_5E2B0C42_21857_341_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D6A5CF@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.60.140.52, ams-ppsenak-nitro3.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 12:43:20 -0000 Hi Bruno, please see inline (##PP): On 24/01/2020 16:24, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote: > Hi authors, WG, > > I've re-read the draft. Please find below some minor comments and nits. > > Best regards, > > --Bruno > > Minors: > > ====== > > " A node indicates that it has support for SRv6 by advertising a new > SRv6 Capabilities sub-TLV" > > I'm not completely certain that "support for SRv6" is perfectly defined. > Do you have a reference? Otherwise may be "is an SRv6 Segment Endpoint > Node" would be better. > > Cfhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26#section-3 ##PP I changed to "SR Segment Endpoint Node" > > --- > > §4.3 > > "The Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDsthat > can be included as part of the "H.Encaps" behavior" > > This is not crystal clear to me when the "reduced encapsulation" is > used. In such case we have: > > a) the number of SID included (N) > > b) the number of SID included in the SRH (N-1) > > Could you clarify which one you are referring to? > > I assume that this is "b" given the text: > > "If the advertised value is zero then the router can apply H.Encaps only > by encapsulating the incoming packet in anotherIPv6 header without SRH > the same way IPinIP encapsulation is performed." > > But to avoid interop issue, I'd prefer the spec to be non ambiguous. > (typically by saying "SIDs in a SRH" as indicated in §4.4 ##PP the Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type specifies the maximum number of segments that a node can use as part of the encapsulation operation, regardless of whether that is H.Encaps or H.Encaps.Red. If the node advertises N it can either do H.Encaps with N SIDs in SRH or do H.Encaps.Red with (N-1) in the SRH +1 in the IPv6 DA. > > --- > > §4.2 > > "inthe top SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply "PSP" > orUSP" as defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming]flavors" > > [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] does not define (anymore) > "SRH stack", nor "top SRH". Please remove those two terms. ##PP Changed to: "The Maximum End Pop MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs in the SRH to which the router can apply "PSP" or USP" behavior, as defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] flavors." > > --- > > §4.4 > > "If the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised > > then it is assumed that the router cannot apply > > "End.DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the extension > > header right underneath the outer IPv6 header is an SRH." > > There is no requirement for the SRH to be "right underneath the outer > IPv6 header". ##PP Changed to: "If the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised then it is assumed that the router cannot apply "End.DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the outer IPv6 header contains an SRH." > > Cfhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8200#section-4.1 > > Please clarify what is meant precisely. E.g.: > > a) if there is an SRH > > b) if there is a IPv6 routing header > > c) if there isan IPv6 extension header > > ? > > .... > > Given the wording in §4.2, I would suggest "a". However, the technical > question remains: are those MSD numbers affected by the presence of > another IPv6 extension header (before the SRH)? ##PP no, the presence of another IPv6 extension header has no impact on the MSDs we define here. > > --- > > OLD: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries on SRv6 > capable/SRv6 incapable routers. > > I think the below would be clearer > > NEW: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries between SRv6 > capable and SRv6 incapable routers. ##PP fixed as suggested. > > ---- > > §7.1 > > “ > > Type: 27 (Suggested value to be assigned by IANA) > > Length: variable. > > MTID: Multitopology Identifier as defined in [RFC5120 ]. > > Note that the value 0 is legal.” > > Personally I would find clearer to move the above text (describing the > SRv6 Locator TLV) just after the Figure of the SRv6 Locator TLV. > > That would also allow the removal of “Locator entry:” since as a result > the text and figures for the local entry would also be grouped together. ##PP done. > > ---- > > §7.1 > > “Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the Locator field.” > > I think that this is the number of bits of the SRv6 Locator, rather than > the number of bits of the field. > > Proposed NEW: Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the SRv6 Locator. ##PP done > > “The Locator is encoded in the minimal number ofoctets for the given > number of bits.” > > Do we want to define the trailing bits? E.g. MUST be sent as zero and > ignored when received. ##PP done > > ---- > > §8.1 (idem for §8.2) > > I may be missing something… > > “All End.X SIDs MUST be a subnet of a Locator with matching topology > > and algorithm which is advertised by the same node in an SRv6 Locator > > TLV. » > > OK. > > So what’s the point of advertising a field ‘algorithm’ in the SRv6 End.X > SID sub-TLV? The 128-bits SID allows identifying the Locator, which > already advertise an algorithm. > > Advertising again the algorithm with the End.X SID waste space and is an > opportunity for inconsistency hence additional error handling > rules/implementations. ##PP Having an algo field advertised with the END.X/LAN END.x SIDs: 1. Makes it easier for implementation to find the algo specific END.X SID without making the longest prefix match on all locators advertised by the node to find the algo to which the SID belongs. 2. Contrary to what you said, it makes it possible to verify that the algorithm associated with the END.X SID matches that of the covering Locator. > > ---- > > §8.2 > > “System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined > in [ISO10589 ]. » > > The field seems of fixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID > seems to be of a variable length. If so, wouldn’t it be useful to > indicate how a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? > (in most or least significant octets?). ##PP Les has responded to the above. > > ---- > > §9 > > A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be 128 bits. Could you specify the > error handling when this is not the case? (a choice could be to ignore > this Sub-Sub-TLV; but given the error handling specified for another > error, you seem to prefer to ignore the whole parent TLV. ##PP the sum may not need to be 128, some fields may be advertised as 0 - e.g. not all SIDs have arguments. > > ---- > > §9 > > “ISIS SRv6 SID Structure Sub-Sub-TLV MUST NOT appear more than once in > > its parent sub-TLV.If it appears more than once in its parent TLV, > > the parent TLV MUST be ignored by the receiver.” > > In the first sentence, ‘parent” refers to the sub-TLV. > > In the second sentence, ‘parent” refers to the TLV. > > I assume that the second sentence should also refers to the parent > ‘sub-TLV’ but I’d prefer this be clarified in the text. ##PP fixed. > > ---- > > §12.1.1 defines a new IANA registry "sub-sub-TLVs for SRv6 End SID sub-TLV" > > §12.5 defines a new IANA registry “Sub-Sub-TLVs for SID Sub-TLVs” > > Just checking whether both are needed/intended especially as the second > references section 7.2. (SRv6 End SID sub-TLV) ##PP this was a duplication, I have removed the part from the section 12.1.1. > > Nits: > > ====== > > Idnitsreports 1 error & 1 warning that seem valid : > https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04.txt > > --- > > Page header is " draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions". Probably a better > name could be found for the RFC. E.g. IS-IS extensions for SRv6. ##PP fixed > > --- > > Proposed > > OLD:a combination of SID's > > NEW: a combination of SIDs > > --- > > OLD: is received in both in a > > NEW: is received in both a > > -- > > OLD: the this draft > > NEW: this draft ##PP fixed all of the above. thanks, Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:15 AM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps; Acee Lindem (acee) > Subject: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions > > This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/ > > Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is posted: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/ > > Thanks, > > Chris & Acee. > > _______________________________________________ > > Lsr mailing list > > Lsr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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[10.60.140.52]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 00SIWFQH005399; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 18:32:15 GMT To: bruno.decraene@orange.com Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" , "lsr-ads@ietf.org" , Christian Hopps , "Acee Lindem (acee)" References: <122B138F-AA4F-4C7C-969C-755DF15F5744@chopps.org> <21857_1579879490_5E2B0C42_21857_341_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D6A5CF@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <189d3388-401e-4f54-ab8e-b9c0e53bfc3d@cisco.com> <12655_1580231142_5E3069E6_12655_95_2_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D713B7@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Peter Psenak Message-ID: <5bb51b32-76a9-b319-b41f-777aa056dfbc@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:32:15 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <12655_1580231142_5E3069E6_12655_95_2_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48D713B7@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.60.140.52, ams-ppsenak-nitro3.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 18:32:21 -0000 Hi Bruno, On 28/01/2020 18:05, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Thank you. > Looks good. > > Just one follow up > >>> §9 >>> >>> A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be 128 bits. Could you specify the >>> error handling when this is not the case? (a choice could be to ignore >>> this Sub-Sub-TLV; but given the error handling specified for another >>> error, you seem to prefer to ignore the whole parent TLV. >> >> ##PP >> the sum may not need to be 128, some fields may be advertised as 0 - >> e.g. not all SIDs have arguments. > > You are correct. > Let me rephrase: > > A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be lower or equal 128 bits. > Could you specify the error handling when this is not the case? > Especially since there seem to be two possible responses: > a) ignore this Sub-Sub-TLV > b) ignore the whole parent TLV (as specified for another error condition) I would go for (b) and ignore the parent sub-TLV. Will update accordingly. thanks, Peter > > Thank you > --Bruno > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Psenak [mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com] >> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 1:43 PM >> To: DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN; lsr@ietf.org >> Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps; Acee Lindem (acee) >> Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions >> >> Hi Bruno, >> >> please see inline (##PP): >> >> On 24/01/2020 16:24, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote: >>> Hi authors, WG, >>> >>> I've re-read the draft. Please find below some minor comments and nits. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> --Bruno >>> >>> Minors: >>> >>> ====== >>> >>> " A node indicates that it has support for SRv6 by advertising a new >>> SRv6 Capabilities sub-TLV" >>> >>> I'm not completely certain that "support for SRv6" is perfectly defined. >>> Do you have a reference? Otherwise may be "is an SRv6 Segment Endpoint >>> Node" would be better. >>> >>> Cfhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26#section-3 >> >> ##PP >> I changed to "SR Segment Endpoint Node" >> >> >> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> §4.3 >>> >>> "The Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDsthat >>> can be included as part of the "H.Encaps" behavior" >>> >>> This is not crystal clear to me when the "reduced encapsulation" is >>> used. In such case we have: >>> >>> a) the number of SID included (N) >>> >>> b) the number of SID included in the SRH (N-1) >>> >>> Could you clarify which one you are referring to? >>> >>> I assume that this is "b" given the text: >>> >>> "If the advertised value is zero then the router can apply H.Encaps only >>> by encapsulating the incoming packet in anotherIPv6 header without SRH >>> the same way IPinIP encapsulation is performed." >>> >>> But to avoid interop issue, I'd prefer the spec to be non ambiguous. >>> (typically by saying "SIDs in a SRH" as indicated in §4.4 >> >> ##PP >> the Maximum H.Encaps MSD Type specifies the maximum number of segments >> that a node can use as part of the encapsulation operation, regardless >> of whether that is H.Encaps or H.Encaps.Red. If the node advertises N it >> can either do H.Encaps with N SIDs in SRH or do H.Encaps.Red with (N-1) >> in the SRH +1 in the IPv6 DA. >> >> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> §4.2 >>> >>> "inthe top SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply "PSP" >>> orUSP" as defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming]flavors" >>> >>> [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] does not define (anymore) >>> "SRH stack", nor "top SRH". Please remove those two terms. >> >>> >>> ##PP >>> Changed to: >>> >>> "The Maximum End Pop MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs in >>> the SRH to which the router can apply "PSP" or USP" behavior, as defined >>> in [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] flavors." >>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> §4.4 >>>> >>>> "If the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised >>>> >>>> then it is assumed that the router cannot apply >>>> >>>> "End.DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the extension >>>> >>>> header right underneath the outer IPv6 header is an SRH." >>>> >>>> There is no requirement for the SRH to be "right underneath the outer >>>> IPv6 header". >>> >>> ##PP >>> Changed to: >>> >>> "If the advertised value is zero or no value is advertised >>> then it is assumed that the router cannot apply >>> "End.DX6" or "End.DT6" behaviors if the outer IPv6 header contains an SRH." >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Cfhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8200#section-4.1 >>>> >>>> Please clarify what is meant precisely. E.g.: >>>> >>>> a) if there is an SRH >>>> >>>> b) if there is a IPv6 routing header >>>> >>>> c) if there isan IPv6 extension header >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> .... >>>> >>>> Given the wording in §4.2, I would suggest "a". However, the technical >>>> question remains: are those MSD numbers affected by the presence of >>>> another IPv6 extension header (before the SRH)? >>> >>> ##PP >>> no, the presence of another IPv6 extension header has no impact on the >>> MSDs we define here. >>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> OLD: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries on SRv6 >>>> capable/SRv6 incapable routers. >>>> >>>> I think the below would be clearer >>>> >>>> NEW: This is to prevent inconsistent forwarding entries between SRv6 >>>> capable and SRv6 incapable routers. >>> >>> ##PP >>> fixed as suggested. >>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> §7.1 >>>> >>>> “ >>>> >>>> Type: 27 (Suggested value to be assigned by IANA) >>>> >>>> Length: variable. >>>> >>>> MTID: Multitopology Identifier as defined in [RFC5120 ]. >>>> >>>> Note that the value 0 is legal.” >>>> >>>> Personally I would find clearer to move the above text (describing the >>>> SRv6 Locator TLV) just after the Figure of the SRv6 Locator TLV. >>>> >>>> That would also allow the removal of “Locator entry:” since as a result >>>> the text and figures for the local entry would also be grouped together. >>> >>> ##PP >>> done. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> §7.1 >>>> >>>> “Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the Locator field.” >>>> >>>> I think that this is the number of bits of the SRv6 Locator, rather than >>>> the number of bits of the field. >>>> >>>> Proposed NEW: Loc-Size: 1 octet. Number of bits in the SRv6 Locator. >>> >>> ##PP >>> done >>> >>>> >>>> “The Locator is encoded in the minimal number ofoctets for the given >>>> number of bits.” >>>> >>>> Do we want to define the trailing bits? E.g. MUST be sent as zero and >>>> ignored when received. >>> >>> ##PP >>> done >>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> §8.1 (idem for §8.2) >>>> >>>> I may be missing something… >>>> >>>> “All End.X SIDs MUST be a subnet of a Locator with matching topology >>>> >>>> and algorithm which is advertised by the same node in an SRv6 Locator >>>> >>>> TLV. » >>>> >>>> OK. >>>> >>>> So what’s the point of advertising a field ‘algorithm’ in the SRv6 End.X >>>> SID sub-TLV? The 128-bits SID allows identifying the Locator, which >>>> already advertise an algorithm. >>>> >>>> Advertising again the algorithm with the End.X SID waste space and is an >>>> opportunity for inconsistency hence additional error handling >>>> rules/implementations. >>> >>> >>> ##PP >>> >>> Having an algo field advertised with the END.X/LAN END.x SIDs: >>> >>> 1. Makes it easier for implementation to find the algo specific END.X >>> SID without making the longest prefix match on all locators advertised >>> by the node to find the algo to which the SID belongs. >>> >>> 2. Contrary to what you said, it makes it possible to verify that the >>> algorithm associated with the END.X SID matches that of the covering >>> Locator. >>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> §8.2 >>>> >>>> “System-ID: 6 octets of IS-IS System-ID of length "ID Length" as defined >>>> in [ISO10589 ]. » >>>> >>>> The field seems of fixed length (6 octets) while the encoded System ID >>>> seems to be of a variable length. If so, wouldn’t it be useful to >>>> indicate how a System ID of a length shorter than 6 octets is encoded? >>>> (in most or least significant octets?). >>> >>> ##PP >>> Les has responded to the above. >>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> §9 >>>> >>>> A priori the sum of all 4 sizes must be 128 bits. Could you specify the >>>> error handling when this is not the case? (a choice could be to ignore >>>> this Sub-Sub-TLV; but given the error handling specified for another >>>> error, you seem to prefer to ignore the whole parent TLV. >>> >>> ##PP >>> the sum may not need to be 128, some fields may be advertised as 0 - >>> e.g. not all SIDs have arguments. >>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> §9 >>>> >>>> “ISIS SRv6 SID Structure Sub-Sub-TLV MUST NOT appear more than once in >>>> >>>> its parent sub-TLV.If it appears more than once in its parent TLV, >>>> >>>> the parent TLV MUST be ignored by the receiver.” >>>> >>>> In the first sentence, ‘parent” refers to the sub-TLV. >>>> >>>> In the second sentence, ‘parent” refers to the TLV. >>>> >>>> I assume that the second sentence should also refers to the parent >>>> ‘sub-TLV’ but I’d prefer this be clarified in the text. >>> >>> >>> ##PP >>> fixed. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> §12.1.1 defines a new IANA registry "sub-sub-TLVs for SRv6 End SID sub-TLV" >>>> >>>> §12.5 defines a new IANA registry “Sub-Sub-TLVs for SID Sub-TLVs” >>>> >>>> Just checking whether both are needed/intended especially as the second >>>> references section 7.2. (SRv6 End SID sub-TLV) >>> >>> ##PP >>> this was a duplication, I have removed the part from the section 12.1.1. >>> >>>> >>>> Nits: >>>> >>>> ====== >>>> >>>> Idnitsreports 1 error & 1 warning that seem valid : >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04.txt >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Page header is " draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions". Probably a better >>>> name could be found for the RFC. E.g. IS-IS extensions for SRv6. >>> >>> ##PP >>> fixed >>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Proposed >>>> >>>> OLD:a combination of SID's >>>> >>>> NEW: a combination of SIDs >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> OLD: is received in both in a >>>> >>>> NEW: is received in both a >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> OLD: the this draft >>>> >>>> NEW: this draft >>> >>> ##PP >>> fixed all of the above. >>> >>> thanks, >>> Peter >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christian Hopps >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:15 AM >>>> To: lsr@ietf.org >>>> Cc: lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christian Hopps; Acee Lindem (acee) >>>> Subject: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions >>>> >>>> This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for >>>> draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions >>>> >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/ >>>> >>>> Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is posted: >>>> >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/ >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chris & Acee. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Lsr mailing list >>>> >>>> Lsr@ietf.org >>>> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >>>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Thanks, Shunwan -----Original Message----- From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christian Hopps Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 4:25 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions@ietf.org; lsr-ads@ietf.org; Christi= an Hopps ; Acee Lindem (acee) Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; however, some comment= s were received and new version was produced. Moving forward... This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/ =20 Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020. Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that ap= plies to this draft. Thanks, Chris & Acee. _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Tue Jan 28 20:59:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B25F1201E5; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:59:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 44HtzzbyqpBU; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE76D120142; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id n21so17136184ioo.10; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:59:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NZSadGoLtk8Z4ZYYppYpXDniowfmimOP8YZC+R8JFlw=; b=rUe7HDrOjsH24ztr97u8maGlkv16cbMw+bVzmTyh5m8NJvY2dUegUdqgm4yBBWZpOf cKvXC2hzLuWZCeESxSaPXBm7nGy8KgDObtDe6HYB2oEX2T0+3M/0GAMGwRqa/CnhAPAh 143wCADn6SAUESVCkAyfpI5Qcghb0c+hi1fYJ5KUXjnCWhYiGQtU63RpHJjRZWelKPn0 f1CIJ2jXuvcSIHuqMhp1aTrylKHMQYE52lgDkGgAstAH6WWyZZNXmw534Y5X3YvwGVST PzjkigZzamIiv7wmGWaG5XRbP8H+kZNB8jyCdEhD9krnYMSpxks1q2uwBpe1QxiRejF6 wLvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NZSadGoLtk8Z4ZYYppYpXDniowfmimOP8YZC+R8JFlw=; b=lapz2BQY9t3gK9Qzb0UsnZ5+IQM6GNogRhVgC4ndeYsPp/Bv0MJUYedmq+PpTpDwXr J4be2Ux1xJN0m+5OaJwyJ8ty/PLunWT9kOT0j3SBk+eSREH2KA+6+PsaK/oAhkVfVuze 2yxahqCCWJANFB4vvEmjW7/A7CdNq3wzNYzD+SALZ2HvDEycSLqYvsUyDXOud3tgyvba tmAyxhr8yWkh73zGEgjlEt8Cj0qzEl+3o7IxdfVbjAYQFi/KSAn7On1Nn5sAEQ+4u3xR 9fTir6aUasfxMPx+AYt8AcasDxAmCpbVEhTtKuUPb2WA5o6TSqp5QGlU6DZ7zfmuvLbt C2Cg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXwktoiFjZtW0XPuXFNUwC1JUh575ND8N/OJqwtfGuRHUoe+aqM 4dmpinJphBlgSks89ptrlYZepzXeLuV8Tvp5pMw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwKM3EodJAZVxY7JZ24+4k9K7wO1KjlTM1+17iaJ0M/NftWveFbYdO7BB74iRJpboaww7aJplewy/kOskjrV64= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:ef15:: with SMTP id k21mr11135574ioh.302.1580273954289; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:59:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9E2218A0-5893-4493-8072-CF647D808536@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: From: Tony Przygienda Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:58:00 -0800 Message-ID: To: Alvaro Retana Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" , "rtg-ads@ietf.org" , "Acee Lindem (acee)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b17de3059d403362" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] IS-IS Requirements for Area Abstraction (Corrected Alias for ADs) X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:59:17 -0000 --000000000000b17de3059d403362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please do not co-mingle hierarchical ISIS and flood reduction drafts into this discussion. Albeit seemingly related the ttz/abstract/flood-reflector drafts solve a different, valid problem of multiple large operators that hierachical,flood-reduce cannot solve albeit they can be used @ the same time. RFC1925 section 5 thanks --- tony On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM Alvaro Retana wrote: > FYI=E2=80=A6 > > Because I am one of the co-authors of draft-chen-isis-ttz, I am recusing > myself from this discussion. Martin will be the responsible AD for it, > should one be needed. > > Alvaro. > > On January 27, 2020 at 1:27:13 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com) > wrote: > > Speaking as WG Co-chair: > > > > At IETF 107, we had a protracted discussion of several drafts having goa= l > of reducing the amount of link-state information that must be flooded int= o > the level-2 area. We have two drafts that do this essentially via > abstraction of the level-1 areas. These are: > > > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy-01.txt > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-chen-isis-ttz-07.txt > > > > There are various reasons why these drafts can=E2=80=99t consolidated inv= olving > both IPR and government restrictions. Refer to > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/minutes-106-lsr-00 for > the complete discussion. > > > > We have another draft that also reduces the amount of link-state > information each IS-IS router must maintain but using IS-IS reflectors. > This is slightly different but also avoids leaking all the level-1 area > link-state to the level-2 area. > > > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-przygienda-lsr-flood-reflection-01.txt > > > > Given the amount of overlap and the conflicts amongst these drafts, the > chairs/Ads are now asking whether there is a really a strong requirement = to > advance one or more of these documents. Especially given that we are > already moving forward with both IS-IS/OSPF flooding reductions and the > Hierarchal IS-IS work. Additionally, we anticipate we=E2=80=99ll reach a= n impasse > in consolidating these drafts. We=E2=80=99d really like to hear from the = operators > that would deploy these mechanisms. > > > > Thanks, > Acee and Chris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > --000000000000b17de3059d403362 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
please do not co-mingle hierarchical ISIS and flood r= eduction drafts into this discussion. Albeit seemingly related the ttz/abst= ract/flood-reflector drafts solve a different, valid problem of multiple la= rge operators that hierachical,flood-reduce cannot solve albeit they can be= used @ the same time. RFC1925 section 5

thank= s

--- tony

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 1= 1:42 AM Alvaro Retana <aretana= .ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
FYI=E2=80=A6

Because I am one of the co-authors of dra= ft-chen-isis-ttz, I am recusing myself from this discussion.=C2=A0 Martin w= ill be the responsible AD for it, should one be needed.

Alvaro.=C2=A0

On January = 27, 2020 at 1:27:13 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com) wrote:

Speaking as WG Co-cha= ir:

=C2=A0

At IETF 107, we had a= protracted discussion of several drafts having =C2=A0goal of reducing the = amount of link-state information that must be flooded into the level-2 area= . We have two drafts that do this essentially via abstraction of the level-1 areas. These are:

=C2=A0

https:= //www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy-01.txt

https://www.iet= f.org/id/draft-chen-isis-ttz-07.txt

=C2=A0

There are various rea= sons why these drafts can=E2=80=99t consolidated involving both IPR and gov= ernment restrictions. Refer to https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials= /minutes-106-lsr-00 for the complete discussion.

=C2=A0

We have another draft= that also reduces the amount of link-state information each IS-IS router m= ust maintain but using IS-IS reflectors. This is slightly different but als= o avoids leaking all the level-1 area link-state to the level-2 area.

=C2=A0

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-przygienda-lsr-flood-reflection-01.txt=

=C2=A0

Given the amount of o= verlap and the conflicts amongst these drafts, the chairs/Ads are now askin= g whether there is a really a strong requirement to advance one or more of = these documents. Especially given that we are already moving forward with both IS-IS/OSPF flooding reduction= s and the Hierarchal IS-IS work. Additionally, =C2=A0we anticipate we=E2=80= =99ll reach an impasse in consolidating these drafts. We=E2=80=99d really l= ike to hear from the operators that would deploy these mechanisms.

=C2=A0

Thanks,
Acee and Chris

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:27:38 -0000 --000000000000f8e2e1059d49d0b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I would like to proposed the following text to make section 6 more clear. Thanks, Chris ==================== (existing text) 6. Advertising Anycast Property Both prefixes and SRv6 Locators may be configured as anycast and as such the same value can be advertised by multiple routers. It is useful for other routers to know that the advertisement is for an anycast identifier. A new flag in "Bit Values for Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV" registry [RFC7794] is defined to advertise the anycast property: Bit #: 4 (Suggested - to be assigned by IANA) Name: Anycast Flag (A-flag) When the prefix/SRv6 locator is configured as anycast, the A-flag SHOULD be set. Otherwise, this flag MUST be clear. The A-flag MUST be preserved when leaked between levels. The A-flag and the N-flag MUST NOT both be set. ==== start insert new text ======= Certain use cases require prefixes/locators that uniquely belong to a node. Since prefixes/locators which are not /128 should not have the N bit set, this node local uniqueness is decided based on A bit for non-/128 prefixes. When a prefix/locator is categorized as anycast, it does not uniquely belong to a node and cannot be used for such use cases. The rules below specify how to determine whether or not a prefix/locator should be treated as anycast in various situations. [RFC7794] contains the following restriction on the interpretation of the N-flag. "If the flag is set and the prefix length is NOT a host prefix (/32 for IPV4, /128 for IPv6), then the flag MUST be ignored." The current document does NOT modify this restriction on the interpretation of the N-flag imposed by [RFC7794]. For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a /128 prefix/locator, if both N-flag and A-flag are set, the receiving router MUST treat the prefix advertisement as anycast. For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a /128 prefix/locator, if the N-flag and A-flag are NOT set, the receiving routers MUST treat the prefix advertisement as anycast. This rule ensures the correct interpretation of a prefix advertisement originated by a router that is not SRv6 capable and originates a legacy Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV based on [RFC7794] alone. For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a prefix/locator that is NOT /128, the N-flag must be ignored, so the setting of the A-flag determines the anycast treatment of the prefix advertisement. The Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV can be carried in the SRv6 Locator TLV as well as the Prefix Reachability TLVs. When a router originates both the Prefix Reachability TLV and the SRv6 Locator TLV for a given prefix, and the router is originating the Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in one of the TLVs, the router SHOULD advertise identical versions of the Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in both TLVs. If a router receives one Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the Prefix Reachability TLV and another in the SRv6 Locator TLV, the router should use the prefix attribute flags received in the Prefix Reachability TLV. If a router receives a Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the Prefix Reachability TLV but not in the SRv6 Locator TLV, the router should use the prefix attribute flags received in the Prefix Reachability TLV. If a router receives a Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the SRv6 Locator TLV but not in the Prefix Reachability TLV, the router should use the prefix attribute flags received in the SRv6 Locator TLV. ==== end insert new text ========= The same prefix/SRv6 Locator can be advertised by multiple routers. If at least one of them sets the A-Flag in its advertisement, the prefix/SRv6 Locator SHOULD be considered as anycast. =================== On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:15 PM Christian Hopps wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/ > > Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is > posted: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/ > > Thanks, > Chris & Acee. > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > --000000000000f8e2e1059d49d0b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to proposed the following text to make s= ection 6 more clear.

Thanks,
Chris

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=C2=A0(existing text)<= /p>


6.=C2=A0 Advertising Anycast Property

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Both prefixes and SRv6 Locators may be configured as anycast and as<= span>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 such the same value can be advertised by multiple routers.=C2=A0 It is

=C2=A0=C2=A0 useful for other routers to know that the advertisement is for an

=C2=A0=C2=A0 anycast identifier.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 A new flag in "Bit Values for Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV"

=C2=A0=C2=A0 registry [RFC7794] is defined to advertise the anycast property:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Bit #: 4 (Suggested - to be assigned by IANA)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Name: Anycast Flag (A-flag)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 When the prefix/SRv6 locator is configured as anycast, the A-flag

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SHOULD be set. Otherwise, this flag MUST be clear.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The A-flag MUST be preserved when leaked between levels.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The A-flag and the N-flag MUST NOT both be set.

=C2=A0

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=C2=A0=C2=A0 Certain use cases require prefix= es/locators that uniquely belong to a node.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since prefixes/locators which ar= e not /128 should not have the N bit set,

=C2=A0=C2=A0 this node local uniqueness is de= cided based on A bit for non-/128 prefixes.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Whe= n a prefix/locator is categorized as anycast, it does not uniquel= y belong

=C2=A0=C2=A0 to a node and cannot = be used for such use cases.=C2=A0 The rules below specify

=C2=A0=C2=A0 how to determine whether or not a pre= fix/locator should be treated as anycast

=C2=A0= =C2=A0 in various situations.


<= span> 
=C2=A0=C2=A0 [RFC7794] contains the following restriction on=
 the interpretation of the N-flag.
=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0"If the flag is set and the prefix length is NOT a host prefix <=
span>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0(/32 for IPV4, /12=
8 for IPv6), then the flag MUST be ignored."
=C2=A0
=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 The current document does NOT modify this restriction on the inte=
rpretation of 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0the N-fla=
g imposed by [RFC7794].

=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a /128 prefix/locator,

=C2=A0=C2=A0 if both N-flag and A-flag are set, the receiving router MUST treat the

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0prefix advertisement as anycast.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a /128 prefix/locator,

=C2=A0=C2=A0 if the N-flag and A-flag are NOT set, the receiving routers

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0MUST treat the prefix advertisement as anycast.=C2=A0 This rule ensures the

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0correct interpretation of a prefix advertisement originated by =

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0a router that is not SRv6 capable and originates a legacy

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV based on [RFC7794] alone.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a prefix/locator that

=C2=A0=C2=A0 is NOT /128, the N-flag must be ignored, so the setting of the

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0A-flag determines the anycast treatment of the prefix advertisement.<= /span>

=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV can be carried in the SRv6 Locator TLV

=C2=A0 =C2=A0as well as the Prefix Reachability TLVs.=C2=A0 When a router originat= es 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0both the Prefix Reachability TLV and the S=
Rv6 Locator TLV for a given 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0prefix, and the router is originating the Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-=
TLV
=C2=A0=C2=A0 in one of the TLVs, the r=
outer SHOULD advertise identical versions of the 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in both TLVs.=C2=
=A0 
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 If a router receives one Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV i=
n the 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Prefix Reachabili=
ty TLV and another in the SRv6 Locator TLV, the router should =

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0use the prefix attribute flags recei=
ved in the Prefix Reachability TLV.
=C2=A0=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 If a router receives a Prefi=
x Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the 
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0Prefix Reachability TLV but not in the SRv6 Locator TLV, the ro=
uter should 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0use the pre=
fix attribute flags received in the Prefix Reachability TLV.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 If =
a router receives a Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0SRv6 Locator TLV but not in the Prefix R=
eachability TLV,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the router s=
hould use the prefix attribute flags received in the SRv6 Locator TLV.



=C2=A0



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=C2=A0



=C2=A0=C2=A0
The same prefix/SRv6 Locator can be advertised by multiple routers.<=
span>



=C2=A0=C2=A0
If at least one of them sets the A-Flag in its advertisement, the



=C2=A0=C2=A0
prefix/SRv6 Locator SHOULD be considered as anycast.


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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

= On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:15 PM Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org> wrote:
This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending = after Feb 4, 2020, for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions

=C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/

Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is posted= :

=C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/

Thanks,
Chris & Acee.
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support the adoption with the following comments.

1. What does SRH stack mean in section 4.2? AS specified = in RFC8200 and draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header<= span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-color: transp= arent;">, only one SRH can be presented in one IPv6 header.
2. The abbreviations used in this draft should be listed in a seperated s= ection or point out where they are defined.
3. Al= gorithm field is defined for End.x SID to carry the algorithm the end.x sid= associates. But no algorithm field is defined for End= SID in section 7. May I know the reason?
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Date: = 2020-01-24 04:24
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Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-l= i-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions
Hi LSR WG and Draft= Authors,
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The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; however, some co= mments were received and new version was produced. Moving forward...
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This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft:
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  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-exten= sions/
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Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020.
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Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR th= at applies to this draft.
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Zhenqiang Li, Thanks for your review and comments. Please check inline below. From: li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com Sent: 30 January 2020 08:46 To: Christian Hopps ; lsr Cc: draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions ; lsr-ads ; Christian Hopps ; Acee Lindem (acee) Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions support the adoption with the following comments. 1. What does SRH stack mean in section 4.2? AS specified in RFC8200 and dra= ft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header, only one SRH can be presented in one I= Pv6 header. [KT] Thanks for catching this error and will fix as below: OLD: The Maximum End Pop MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs in the top SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply Penultimate Segment Pop (PSP) or Ultimate Segment Pop (USP) NEW: The Maximum End Pop MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs in the SRH for which the router can apply Penultimate Segment Pop (PSP) or Ultimate Segment Pop (USP) 2. The abbreviations used in this draft should be listed in a seperated sec= tion or point out where they are defined. [KT] We've followed the convention of expanding on first use as also provid= ing reference where necessary. Please do let know if we've missed doing so = anywhere. 3. Algorithm field is defined for End.x SID to carry the algorithm the end.= x sid associates. But no algorithm field is defined for End SID in section = 7. May I know the reason? [KT] The SRv6 Locator TLV that is the parent of the SRv6 End SID Sub-TLV ca= rries the algorithm and hence there is no need to repeat in the Sub-TLV. Th= is is not the case for SRv6 End.X SID Sub-TLV and hence it has the algorith= m field. Thanks, Ketan Best Regards, Zhenqiang Li ________________________________ li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com From: Christian Hopps Date: 2020-01-24 04:24 To: lsr CC: draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions; lsr-ads; Christian Hopps; Acee Lindem \(acee\) Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; however, some comment= s were received and new version was produced. Moving forward... This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/ Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020. Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of any IPR that ap= plies to this draft. Thanks, Chris & Acee. _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --_000_MWHPR11MB1600D82DB2450D8B189F22FFC1040MWHPR11MB1600namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Zhe= nqiang Li,

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Thanks fo= r your review and comments. Please check inline below.

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From: li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>
Sent: 30 January 2020 08:46
To: Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>; lsr <lsr@ietf.org&= gt;
Cc: draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions <draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6= -extensions@ietf.org>; lsr-ads <lsr-ads@ietf.org>; Christian Hopps= <chopps@chopps.org>; Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-ext= ensions

 

support the adoption with the following comment= s.

 

1. What does SRH stack mean in section 4.2? AS = specified in RFC8200 and draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header, only = one SRH can be presented in one IPv6 header.

 

[KT] Thanks for catching this error and will f= ix as below:

 

OLD: =
The Maximum End Pop MSD Type spe=
cifies the maximum number of SIDs in

   the top SRH in an SRH stack to wh= ich the router can apply Penultimate

   Segment Pop (PSP) or Ultimate Seg= ment Pop (USP)

 

NEW:<=
/span> The Maximum End Pop MSD Type spe=
cifies the maximum number of SIDs in
   the SRH for which the router =
can apply Penultimate
   Segment Pop (PSP) or Ultimate=
 Segment Pop (USP)

 

2. The abbreviations used in this draft should = be listed in a seperated section or point out where they are defined.<= /o:p>

[KT] We’ve followed the convention of ex= panding on first use as also providing reference where necessary. Please do= let know if we’ve missed doing so anywhere.

 

3. Algorithm field is defined for End.x SI= D to carry the algorithm the end.x sid associates. But no algorithm fi= eld is defined for End SID in section 7. May I know the reason?

[KT] The SRv6 Locator TLV that is the parent o= f the SRv6 End SID Sub-TLV carries the algorithm and hence there is no need= to repeat in the Sub-TLV. This is not the case for SRv6 End.X SID Sub-TLV = and hence it has the algorithm field.

 

Thanks,

Ketan

 

Best Regards,

Zhenqiang Li

 

Date: 2020-01-24 04:24

To: lsr

Subject:<= /span> [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-s= rv6-extensions

Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors,<= /p>

 

The authors originally requested adoption back = @ 105; however, some comments were received and new version was produced. M= oving forward...

 

This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the f= ollowing draft:

 

Please indicate your support or objection by Fe= b 6, 2020.

 

Authors, please respond indicating whether you = are aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

 

Thanks,

Chris & Acee.

_______________________________________________=

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Thank you KT for your quick response. Please see my reply= begins with [ZQ].
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Best Regards,
Zhenqiang Li
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li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com
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CC:<= /b> draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-e= xtensions; lsr-ads; Christian Hopps; <= a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: und= erline;">Acee Lindem (acee)
Subject: RE: [Lsr] WG= Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions
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Hello Zhenqiang Li,

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Thanks for your review and comments. Please check inline below.

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From:= li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com= >=0A=
=0A= Sent: 30 January 2020 08:46
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=0A= Cc: draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions <draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6= -extensions@ietf.org>; lsr-ads <lsr-ads@ietf.org>; Christian Hopps= <chopps@chopps.org>; Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
= =0A= Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-ext= ensions

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support the adoption with the follo= wing comments.

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1. What does SRH stack mean in sect= ion 4.2? AS specified in RFC8200 and draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-h= eader, only one SRH can be presented in one IPv6 header.<= /p>=0A=

 

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[KT] Thanks for catching this erro= r and will fix as below:

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OLD: The Maximum End Pop MSD Ty=
pe specifies the maximum number of SIDs in
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   the top SRH in an SRH= stack to which the router can apply Penultimate

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   Segment Pop (PSP) or = Ultimate Segment Pop (USP)

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NEW: The Maximum End Pop MSD Ty=
pe specifies the maximum number of SIDs in
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   the SRH for which the r=
outer can apply Penultimate
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   Segment Pop (PSP) or Ul=
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[ZQ] Fine.

 

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2. The abbreviations used in this d= raft should be listed in a seperated section or point out where they are de= fined.

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[KT] We=E2=80=99ve followed the co= nvention of expanding on first use as also providing reference where necess= ary. Please do let know if we=E2=80=99ve missed doing so anywhere.


[ZQ] Some examples: SPF computation in secction 5,  TBD in section 2.

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3. Algorithm field is defined = for End.x SID to carry the algorithm the end.x sid associates. But no = algorithm field is defined for End SID in section 7. May I know the=0A= reason?

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[KT] The SRv6 Locator TLV that is = the parent of the SRv6 End SID Sub-TLV carries the algorithm and hence ther= e is no need to repeat in the Sub-TLV. This is not the case for SRv6 End.X = SID Sub-TLV and hence it has the algorithm field.

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Best Regards,

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From: Christian=0A= Hopps

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Date: 2020-01-24 04:24

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Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-= li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions

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Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors,

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The authors originally requested ad= option back @ 105; however, some comments were received and new version was= produced. Moving forward...

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This begins a 2 week WG adoption po= ll for the following draft:

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Please indicate your support or obj= ection by Feb 6, 2020.

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Authors, please respond indicating = whether you are aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

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MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.147.24.41, [10.147.24.41] X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:02:23 -0000 Hi Chris, please see inline (##PP) On 29/01/2020 17:25, Chris Bowers wrote: > I would like to proposed the following text to make section 6 more clear. > > Thanks, > Chris > > ==================== > >  (existing text) > > > 6.  Advertising Anycast Property > >    Both prefixes and SRv6 Locators may be configured as anycast and as > >    such the same value can be advertised by multiple routers.  It is > >    useful for other routers to know that the advertisement is for an > >    anycast identifier. > >    A new flag in "Bit Values for Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV" > >    registry [RFC7794] is defined to advertise the anycast property: > >        Bit #: 4 (Suggested - to be assigned by IANA) > >        Name: Anycast Flag (A-flag) > >        When the prefix/SRv6 locator is configured as anycast, the A-flag > >        SHOULD be set. Otherwise, this flag MUST be clear. > >    The A-flag MUST be preserved when leaked between levels. > >    The A-flag and the N-flag MUST NOT both be set. > > ==== start insert new text ======= > > > Certain use cases require prefixes/locators that uniquely belong to a node. > > Since prefixes/locators which are not /128 should not have the N bit set, > > this node local uniqueness is decided based on A bit for non-/128 prefixes. ##PP above does not seem correct. Above seems to imply that for non-/128 prefix, A-bit is replacement of N-bit. A-bit applies to both /128 and non-/128 prefixes equally. Current draft clearly states what to do when both N a A bits are set. > >    When a prefix/locator iscategorized as anycast, it does not uniquely > belong > >    to a node and cannot be used for such use cases.  The rules below > specify > >    how to determine whether or not a prefix/locator should be treated > as anycast > >    in various situations. > > >    [RFC7794] contains the following restriction on the interpretation of the N-flag. > >    "If the flag is set and the prefix length is NOT a host prefix > >     (/32 for IPV4, /128 forIPv6), then the flag MUST be ignored." > >    The current document does NOT modify this restriction on the interpretation of > >    the N-flag imposed by [RFC7794]. ##PP I don't think above text is needed. And I don't think above is completely correct, as we define a new case in which the N-bit should be ignored (when A-bit is set). > >    For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a /128 prefix/locator, > >    if both N-flag and A-flag are set, the receiving router MUST treat the > >    prefix advertisement as anycast. ##PP we have following text in the draft already: "If both N-flag and A-flag are set in the prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement, the receiving routers MUST ignore the N-flag." > >    For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a /128 prefix/locator, > >    if the N-flag and A-flag are NOT set, the receiving routers > >    MUST treat the prefix advertisement as anycast. ##PP I don't think above statement is correct. Why a node cannot advertise a /128 prefix which is not an anycast one and does not have a N-bit set? > This rule ensures the > >    correct interpretation of a prefix advertisement originated by > >    a router that is not SRv6 capable and originates a legacy > >    Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV based on [RFC7794] alone. > >    For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a prefix/locator that > >    is NOT /128, the N-flag must be ignored, so the setting of the > >    A-flag determines the anycast treatment of the prefix advertisement. ##PP A-flag does that regardless of the length of the prefix. > >    The Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV can be carried in the SRv6 > Locator TLV > >    as well as the Prefix Reachability TLVs.  When a router originates > >    both the Prefix Reachability TLV and the SRv6 Locator TLV for a given > >    prefix, and the router is originating the Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV > >    in one of the TLVs, the router SHOULD advertise identical versions of the > >    Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in both TLVs. ##PP Above seems a good suggestion. Will add it. > > > >    If a router receives one Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the > >    Prefix Reachability TLV and another in the SRv6 Locator TLV, the router should > >    use the prefix attribute flags received in the Prefix Reachability TLV. ##PP above contradicts what you suggest in the previous paragraph, where you suggest we need to advertise with both prefix and locator, and here you suggest we ignore what we received in the locator. Are you talking about the case where the content of the Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV is different in prefix vs locator? > > > >    If a router receives a Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the > >    Prefix Reachability TLV but not in the SRv6 Locator TLV, the router should > >    use the prefix attribute flags received in the Prefix Reachability TLV. ##PP do we really need this? If the originator does the right thing, then we don't have the problem. Cross referencing data between different TLVs complicates the implementations. > > > >    If a router receives a Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the > >    SRv6 Locator TLV but not in the Prefix Reachability TLV, > >    the router should use the prefix attribute flags received in the SRv6 Locator TLV. ##PP same as above. thanks, Peter > > ==== end insert new text ========= > >    The same prefix/SRv6 Locator can be advertised by multiple routers. > >    If at least one of them sets the A-Flag in its advertisement, the > >    prefix/SRv6 Locator SHOULD be considered as anycast. > > > > =================== > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:15 PM Christian Hopps > wrote: > > This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions > > https://datatracker.ietf..org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/ > > > Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is > posted: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/ > > Thanks, > 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For the third concern, I think it is better to list the c= onsiderations behind the format design of the TLVs to help readers understa= nd them better. For the specification behavior you mention, this doc SHOULD= specify it explicitly.
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By the way, what a router should do when it receives END.X SID contain= ing algorithm that is different from the one carried in the convering locat= or?

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CC:<= /b> draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-e= xtensions; lsr-ads; Christian Hopps; <= a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: und= erline;">Acee Lindem (acee)
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Please check inline again.

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From:= li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com= >=0A=
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Thank you KT for yo= ur quick response. Please see my reply begins with [ZQ].<= /p>=0A=

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Best Regards,<= /o:p>

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Date: 2020-01-30 13:42

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Subject: RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for dr= aft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions

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Hello Zhenqiang Li,<= /o:p>

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Thanks for your review and comments. Please check inline bel= ow.

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From:=0A= li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com <li= _zhenqiang@hotmail.com>=0A=
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support the adoption with the follo= wing comments.

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1. What does SRH stack mean in sect= ion 4.2? AS specified in RFC8200 and draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-h= eader, only one SRH can be presented in one IPv6 header.

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[KT] T= hanks for catching this error and will fix as below:

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[ZQ] Fine.
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2. The abbreviations used in this d= raft should be listed in a seperated section or point out where they are de= fined.

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[KT] W= e=A1=AFve followed the convention of expanding on first use as also providi= ng reference where necessary. Please do let know if we=A1=AFve missed doing= so anywhere.<= /p>=0A=

 

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[ZQ] Some examples: SPF computation in secction 5,  TBD in sec= tion 2.

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[KT]= Will expand SPF and some other such on first use :-). The TBD (to be decid= ed) is for use until the code point are allocated=0A= by IANA.=0A=

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[KT] T= he SRv6 Locator TLV that is the parent of the SRv6 End SID Sub-TLV carries = the algorithm and hence there is no need to repeat in the Sub-TLV. This is = not the case for SRv6 End.X SID Sub-TLV and hence=0A= it has the algorithm field.

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[ZQ] Make sense but still a little bit weird. Since any SID belongs to a= locator, or it is not routable, the algorithm field in the end.x sid is no= t needed, end.x sid associates the algorithm carried=0A= in the corresponding locator tlv.

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[= KT]=0A= Having an algorithm field advertised w= ith the End.X SID makes it easier for implementation to find the algorithm = specific End.X SID without making=0A= the longest prefix match on all locators advertised by the node to find th= e algorithm to which the SID belongs. It also makes it possible to verify t= hat the algorithm associated with the End.X SID matches that of the coverin= g Locator when the link advertisement=0A= with End.X SID is received.

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T= hanks,

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Best Regards,

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From: Christian=0A= Hopps

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Date: 2020-01-24 04:24

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To: lsr

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Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-= li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions=

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Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors,=

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The authors originally requested ad= option back @ 105; however, some comments were received and new version was= produced. Moving forward...<= /span>

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This begins a 2 week WG adoption po= ll for the following draft:

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Please indicate your support or obj= ection by Feb 6, 2020.=

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Authors, please respond indicating = whether you are aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

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Thanks,

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Chris & Acee.

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from [10.147.24.41] ([10.147.24.41]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 00UGadAg029094; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:36:39 GMT To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , "li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com" , Christian Hopps , lsr Cc: draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions , lsr-ads References: <795369E8-767A-4642-BA0E-36430F4DBF4E@cisco.com> <5A9AF6BD-A12E-4B6C-A3C5-0D7A9F1ACB3E@cisco.com> From: Peter Psenak Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 17:36:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5A9AF6BD-A12E-4B6C-A3C5-0D7A9F1ACB3E@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.147.24.41, [10.147.24.41] X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-2.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:36:45 -0000 Hi Acee, On 30/01/2020 17:11, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Ketan, > > In that case, it doesn’t make sense to include it in the End.X > advertisement since you need to look it up to check it anyway. I don’t > see any benefit here. The benefit is to make sure that the END.X SID that was configured for the algo X is covered by the locator that has the same algo. If you do not advertise the algo with END.X SID, you have no way of checking that on rcv side. thanks, Peter > > Thanks, > > Acee > > *From: *"Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" > *Date: *Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 11:06 AM > *To: *Acee Lindem , "li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com" > , Christian Hopps , lsr > > *Cc: *draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > , lsr-ads > *Subject: *RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > Hi Acee/Zhen, > > The sec 8 of the draft has the following text which specifies the > handling of this condition. > >    All End.X SIDs MUST be subsumed by the subnet of a Locator with the > >    matching algorithm which is advertised by the same node in an SRv6 > >    Locator TLV.  End.X SIDs which do not meet this requirement MUST be > >    ignored. > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > *From:* Acee Lindem (acee) > *Sent:* 30 January 2020 21:01 > *To:* li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > ; Christian Hopps ; lsr > *Cc:* draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > ; lsr-ads > *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > Hi Ketan, Zhen, > > What happens if there an algorithm conflict between the Adjacency END.X > SID and the longest match Locator SID? Either one has to take precedence > or this is an error condition. In either case, it needs to be documented. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > *From: *"li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com " > > > *Date: *Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 10:20 AM > *To: *"Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" >, Christian Hopps >, lsr > > *Cc: *draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > >, lsr-ads > >, Christian Hopps > >, Acee Lindem > > > *Subject: *Re: RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > For the third concern, I think it is better to list the considerations > behind the format design of the TLVs to help readers understand them > better. For the specification behavior you mention, this doc SHOULD > specify it explicitly. > > By the way, what a router should do when it receives END.X SID > containing algorithm that is different from the one carried in the > convering locator? > > Best Regards, > > Zhenqiang Li > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > *From:*Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > > *Date:* 2020-01-30 16:44 > > *To:*li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com ; > Christian Hopps ; lsr > > *CC:*draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > ; lsr-ads > ; Christian Hopps > ; Acee Lindem (acee) > > *Subject:* RE: RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > Please check inline again. > > *From:* li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > *Sent:* 30 January 2020 13:46 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) >; Christian Hopps >; lsr > > *Cc:* draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > >; lsr-ads > >; Christian Hopps > >; Acee Lindem (acee) > > > *Subject:* Re: RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > Thank you KT for your quick response. Please see my reply begins > with [ZQ]. > > Best Regards, > > Zhenqiang Li > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > *From:*Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > > *Date:* 2020-01-30 13:42 > > *To:*li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com ; > Christian Hopps ; lsr > > > *CC:*draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > ; lsr-ads > ; Christian Hopps > ; Acee Lindem (acee) > > > *Subject:* RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > Hello Zhenqiang Li, > > Thanks for your review and comments. Please check inline below. > > *From:*li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > *Sent:* 30 January 2020 08:46 > *To:* Christian Hopps >; lsr > > *Cc:* draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > >; lsr-ads > >; Christian Hopps > >; Acee Lindem > (acee) > > *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > support the adoption with the following comments. > > 1. What does SRH stack mean in section 4.2? AS specified in > RFC8200 and draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header, only one SRH > can be presented in one IPv6 header. > > */[KT] Thanks for catching this error and will fix as below:/* > > *//* > > */OLD: /*The Maximum End Pop MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs in > >    the top SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply > Penultimate > >    Segment Pop (PSP) or Ultimate Segment Pop (USP) > > *//* > > */NEW:/*The Maximum End Pop MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs in > >    the SRH for which the router can apply Penultimate > >    Segment Pop (PSP) or Ultimate Segment Pop (USP) > > > > > [ZQ] Fine. > > 2. The abbreviations used in this draft should be listed in a > seperated section or point out where they are defined. > > */[KT] We’ve followed the convention of expanding on first use > as also providing reference where necessary. Please do let know > if we’ve missed doing so anywhere./* > > [ZQ] Some examples: SPF computation in secction 5,  TBD in > section 2. > > */[KT] Will expand SPF and some other such on first use :-). The > TBD (to be decided) is for use until the code point are > allocated by IANA./* > > 3. Algorithm field is defined for End.x SID to carry the > algorithm the end.x sid associates. But no algorithm field is > defined for End SID in section 7. May I know the reason? > > */[KT] The SRv6 Locator TLV that is the parent of the SRv6 End > SID Sub-TLV carries the algorithm and hence there is no need to > repeat in the Sub-TLV. This is not the case for SRv6 End.X SID > Sub-TLV and hence it has the algorithm field./* > > */ > > > /* > > [ZQ] Make sense but still a little bit weird. Since any SID > belongs to a locator, or it is not routable, the algorithm field > in the end.x sid is not needed, end.x sid associates the > algorithm carried in the corresponding locator tlv. > > */[KT] Having an algorithm field advertised with the End.X SID > makes it easier for implementation to find the algorithm > specific End.X SID without making the longest prefix match on > all locators advertised by the node to find the algorithm to > which the SID belongs. It also makes it possible to verify that > the algorithm associated with the End.X SID matches that of the > covering Locator when the link advertisement with End.X SID is > received. /* > > *//* > > */Thanks,/* > > */Ketan/* > > *//* > > */Thanks,/* > > */Ketan/* > > Best Regards, > > Zhenqiang Li > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > *From:*Christian Hopps > > *Date:* 2020-01-24 04:24 > > *To:*lsr > > *CC:*draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > ; > lsr-ads ; Christian Hopps > ; Acee Lindem \(acee\) > > > *Subject:* [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, > > The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; > however, some comments were received and new version was > produced. Moving forward... > > This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/ > > Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020. > > Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of > any IPR that applies to this draft. > > Thanks, > > Chris & Acee. > > _______________________________________________ > > Lsr mailing list > > Lsr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > From nobody Thu Jan 30 09:12:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723B8120219; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:12:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, 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8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.147.24.41, [10.147.24.41] X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-1.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 17:24:37 -0000 Hi Acee, On 30/01/2020 18:12, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On 1/30/20, 11:36 AM, "Peter Psenak" wrote: > > Hi Acee, > > On 30/01/2020 17:11, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > Hi Ketan, > > > > In that case, it doesn’t make sense to include it in the End.X > > advertisement since you need to look it up to check it anyway. I don’t > > see any benefit here. > The benefit is to make sure that the END.X SID that was configured for > the algo X is covered by the locator that has the same algo. > > If you do not advertise the algo with END.X SID, you have no way of > checking that on rcv side. > > Ok - so it is to verify that algorithm for the adjacency matches that algorithm for the longest match locator - which may be advertised by a >different OSPFv3 router. Correct? yes. >I guess I don't see why the algorithm for the END.X SID just isn't defined as the algorithm from the longest match locator. That way, everyone in >the area would use the same one and there would be less that could go wrong. What am I missing? locators may change over time. During the reconfiguration a END.X SID may wrongly be associated with the incorrect locator from a different algo. Also if for some reason the right locator is not advertised (due to a bug on the originator), END.X SID traffic may be sent using a wrong algo. We wanted to avoid it as that can be seen as a security issue. thanks, Peter > > Thanks, > Acee > > > thanks, > Peter > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Acee > > > > *From: *"Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" > > *Date: *Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 11:06 AM > > *To: *Acee Lindem , "li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com" > > , Christian Hopps , lsr > > > > *Cc: *draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > , lsr-ads > > *Subject: *RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > > Hi Acee/Zhen, > > > > The sec 8 of the draft has the following text which specifies the > > handling of this condition. > > > > All End.X SIDs MUST be subsumed by the subnet of a Locator with the > > > > matching algorithm which is advertised by the same node in an SRv6 > > > > Locator TLV. End.X SIDs which do not meet this requirement MUST be > > > > ignored. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Acee Lindem (acee) > > *Sent:* 30 January 2020 21:01 > > *To:* li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > > ; Christian Hopps ; lsr > > *Cc:* draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > ; lsr-ads > > *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > > Hi Ketan, Zhen, > > > > What happens if there an algorithm conflict between the Adjacency END.X > > SID and the longest match Locator SID? Either one has to take precedence > > or this is an error condition. In either case, it needs to be documented. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Acee > > > > *From: *"li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com " > > > > > *Date: *Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 10:20 AM > > *To: *"Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" > >, Christian Hopps > >, lsr > > > *Cc: *draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > >, lsr-ads > > >, Christian Hopps > > >, Acee Lindem > > > > > *Subject: *Re: RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > > For the third concern, I think it is better to list the considerations > > behind the format design of the TLVs to help readers understand them > > better. For the specification behavior you mention, this doc SHOULD > > specify it explicitly. > > > > By the way, what a router should do when it receives END.X SID > > containing algorithm that is different from the one carried in the > > convering locator? > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Zhenqiang Li > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > > *From:*Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > > > > *Date:* 2020-01-30 16:44 > > > > *To:*li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com ; > > Christian Hopps ; lsr > > > > *CC:*draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > ; lsr-ads > > ; Christian Hopps > > ; Acee Lindem (acee) > > > > *Subject:* RE: RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > > Please check inline again. > > > > *From:* li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > > > *Sent:* 30 January 2020 13:46 > > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > >; Christian Hopps > >; lsr > > > *Cc:* draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > >; lsr-ads > > >; Christian Hopps > > >; Acee Lindem (acee) > > > > > *Subject:* Re: RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > > Thank you KT for your quick response. Please see my reply begins > > with [ZQ]. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Zhenqiang Li > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > > *From:*Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > > > > *Date:* 2020-01-30 13:42 > > > > *To:*li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com ; > > Christian Hopps ; lsr > > > > > > *CC:*draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > ; lsr-ads > > ; Christian Hopps > > ; Acee Lindem (acee) > > > > > > *Subject:* RE: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > > Hello Zhenqiang Li, > > > > Thanks for your review and comments. Please check inline below. > > > > *From:*li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > > > > *Sent:* 30 January 2020 08:46 > > *To:* Christian Hopps > >; lsr > > > > *Cc:* draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > >; lsr-ads > > >; Christian Hopps > > >; Acee Lindem > > (acee) > > > *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > > support the adoption with the following comments. > > > > 1. What does SRH stack mean in section 4.2? AS specified in > > RFC8200 and draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header, only one SRH > > can be presented in one IPv6 header. > > > > */[KT] Thanks for catching this error and will fix as below:/* > > > > *//* > > > > */OLD: /*The Maximum End Pop MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs in > > > > the top SRH in an SRH stack to which the router can apply > > Penultimate > > > > Segment Pop (PSP) or Ultimate Segment Pop (USP) > > > > *//* > > > > */NEW:/*The Maximum End Pop MSD Type specifies the maximum number of SIDs in > > > > the SRH for which the router can apply Penultimate > > > > Segment Pop (PSP) or Ultimate Segment Pop (USP) > > > > > > > > > > [ZQ] Fine. > > > > 2. The abbreviations used in this draft should be listed in a > > seperated section or point out where they are defined. > > > > */[KT] We’ve followed the convention of expanding on first use > > as also providing reference where necessary. Please do let know > > if we’ve missed doing so anywhere./* > > > > [ZQ] Some examples: SPF computation in secction 5, TBD in > > section 2. > > > > */[KT] Will expand SPF and some other such on first use :-). The > > TBD (to be decided) is for use until the code point are > > allocated by IANA./* > > > > 3. Algorithm field is defined for End.x SID to carry the > > algorithm the end.x sid associates. But no algorithm field is > > defined for End SID in section 7. May I know the reason? > > > > */[KT] The SRv6 Locator TLV that is the parent of the SRv6 End > > SID Sub-TLV carries the algorithm and hence there is no need to > > repeat in the Sub-TLV. This is not the case for SRv6 End.X SID > > Sub-TLV and hence it has the algorithm field./* > > > > */ > > > > > > /* > > > > [ZQ] Make sense but still a little bit weird. Since any SID > > belongs to a locator, or it is not routable, the algorithm field > > in the end.x sid is not needed, end.x sid associates the > > algorithm carried in the corresponding locator tlv. > > > > */[KT] Having an algorithm field advertised with the End.X SID > > makes it easier for implementation to find the algorithm > > specific End.X SID without making the longest prefix match on > > all locators advertised by the node to find the algorithm to > > which the SID belongs. It also makes it possible to verify that > > the algorithm associated with the End.X SID matches that of the > > covering Locator when the link advertisement with End.X SID is > > received. /* > > > > *//* > > > > */Thanks,/* > > > > */Ketan/* > > > > *//* > > > > */Thanks,/* > > > > */Ketan/* > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Zhenqiang Li > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > > *From:*Christian Hopps > > > > *Date:* 2020-01-24 04:24 > > > > *To:*lsr > > > > *CC:*draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > ; > > lsr-ads ; Christian Hopps > > ; Acee Lindem \(acee\) > > > > > > *Subject:* [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for > > draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions > > > > Hi LSR WG and Draft Authors, > > > > The authors originally requested adoption back @ 105; > > however, some comments were received and new version was > > produced. Moving forward... > > > > This begins a 2 week WG adoption poll for the following draft: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions/ > > > > Please indicate your support or objection by Feb 6, 2020. > > > > Authors, please respond indicating whether you are aware of > > any IPR that applies to this draft. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris & Acee. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Lsr mailing list > > > > Lsr@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > > > > > > > From nobody Thu Jan 30 09:31:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E987712082D; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:31:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acee and Chris, The flood-reflector draft solves a legitimate problem for large networks. T= his is of high interest. Thanks, Alankar On January 27, 2020 at 1:27:13 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com) wrote: Speaking as WG Co-chair: At IETF 107, we had a protracted discussion of several drafts having goal of reducing the amount of link-state information that must be flooded into the level-2 area. We have two drafts that do this essentially via abstraction of the level-1 areas. These are: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy-01.txt https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-chen-isis-ttz-07.txt There are various reasons why these drafts can't consolidated involving both IPR and government restrictions. Refer to https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/minutes-106-lsr-00 for the complete discussion. We have another draft that also reduces the amount of link-state information each IS-IS router must maintain but using IS-IS reflectors. This is slightly different but also avoids leaking all the level-1 area link-state to the level-2 area. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-przygienda-lsr-flood-reflection-01.txt Given the amount of overlap and the conflicts amongst these drafts, the chairs/Ads are now asking whether there is a really a strong requirement to advance one or more of these documents. Especially given that we are already moving forward with both IS-IS/OSPF flooding reductions and the Hierarchal IS-IS work. Additionally, we anticipate we'll reach an impasse in consolidating these drafts. We'd really like to hear from the operators that would deploy these mechanisms. Thanks, Acee and Chris * [Lsr] IS-IS Requirements for Area Abstraction (... Acee Lindem (acee) * Re: [Lsr] IS-IS Requirements for Area Abstracti... Alvaro Retana * Re: [Lsr] IS-IS Requirements for Area Abstracti... 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Acee and Chris,

The flood-reflector draft solves a legitimate proble= m for large networks. This is of high interest.

 

Thanks,

Alankar

 

 

 

 

On January 27, 2020 at 1:27:13 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com)
wrote:
 
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link-state to the level-2 area.
 
 
 
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chairs/Ads are now asking whether there is a really a strong requireme=
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advance one or more of these documents. Especially given that we are
already moving forward with both IS-IS/OSPF flooding reductions and th=
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Hierarchal IS-IS work. Additionally,  we anticipate we’ll r=
each an impasse
in consolidating these drafts. We’d really like to hear from the=
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that would deploy these mechanisms.
 
 
 
Thanks,
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It seems to me that for the Node Flag in RFC7794 and the proposed Anycast Flag in draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04, we are ultimately concerned with how to identify IGP-Node Segments and IGP-Anycast Segments, as defined in RFC8402, the Segment Routing Architecture document. If this is the case, then the following text from RFC8402 is very relevant. ============ 3.2. IGP-Node Segment (Node-SID) An IGP Node-SID MUST NOT be associated with a prefix that is owned by more than one router within the same routing domain. 3.3. IGP-Anycast Segment (Anycast-SID) .... An IGP-Anycast segment MUST NOT reference a particular node. .... ============ This text can be interpreted in two different ways. Interpretation I) A prefix-SID can have the following three possible states. Ia) Node-SID Ib) Anycast-SID Ic) neither Node-SID nor Anycast-SID Interpretation II) A prefix-SID can have the following two possible states. IIa) Node-SID IIb) Anycast-SID If Interpretation I) is correct, then I think that the current encodings in draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04 do not allow us to unambiguously identify a Node-SID for a non-/128 prefix/locator. For example, the End-SIDs within a /64 locator with the A-flag set could either be Ia) a Node-SID or Ic) neither Node-SID nor Anycast-SID. I think a reasonable solution would be to remove the restriction on the N-flag to allow it to be used for non-/128 prefixes/locators. This would allow the three possible prefix-SIDs states to be easily represented. If Interpretation II) is correct, then I think that the current encodings in draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04 need clarification with respect to how to interpret a /128 prefix/locator advertisement with N=0, A=0. We have to decide between interpreting the End-SIDs within the locator as either Node-SIDs or Anycast-SIDs, since there is no third option. I think that interpreting the End-SIDs as Anycast-SIDs in the N=0, A=0 case is preferable because it preserves backwards compatibility. Thanks, Chris On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:02 AM Peter Psenak wrote: > Hi Chris, > > please see inline (##PP) > > On 29/01/2020 17:25, Chris Bowers wrote: > > I would like to proposed the following text to make section 6 more clear. > > > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > ==================== > > > > (existing text) > > > > > > 6. Advertising Anycast Property > > > > Both prefixes and SRv6 Locators may be configured as anycast and as > > > > such the same value can be advertised by multiple routers. It is > > > > useful for other routers to know that the advertisement is for an > > > > anycast identifier. > > > > A new flag in "Bit Values for Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV" > > > > registry [RFC7794] is defined to advertise the anycast property: > > > > Bit #: 4 (Suggested - to be assigned by IANA) > > > > Name: Anycast Flag (A-flag) > > > > When the prefix/SRv6 locator is configured as anycast, the A-flag > > > > SHOULD be set. Otherwise, this flag MUST be clear. > > > > The A-flag MUST be preserved when leaked between levels. > > > > The A-flag and the N-flag MUST NOT both be set. > > > > ==== start insert new text ======= > > > > > > Certain use cases require prefixes/locators that uniquely belong to a > node. > > > > Since prefixes/locators which are not /128 should not have the N bit set, > > > > this node local uniqueness is decided based on A bit for non-/128 > prefixes. > > ##PP > above does not seem correct. Above seems to imply that for non-/128 > prefix, A-bit is replacement of N-bit. > > A-bit applies to both /128 and non-/128 prefixes equally. > > Current draft clearly states what to do when both N a A bits are set. > > > > > > > When a prefix/locator iscategorized as anycast, it does not uniquely > > belong > > > > to a node and cannot be used for such use cases. The rules below > > specify > > > > how to determine whether or not a prefix/locator should be treated > > as anycast > > > > in various situations. > > > > > > [RFC7794] contains the following restriction on the interpretation > of the N-flag. > > > > "If the flag is set and the prefix length is NOT a host prefix > > > > (/32 for IPV4, /128 forIPv6), then the flag MUST be ignored." > > > > The current document does NOT modify this restriction on the > interpretation of > > > > the N-flag imposed by [RFC7794]. > > ##PP > I don't think above text is needed. And I don't think above is > completely correct, as we define a new case in which the N-bit should be > ignored (when A-bit is set). > > > > > > For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a /128 prefix/locator, > > > > if both N-flag and A-flag are set, the receiving router MUST treat > the > > > > prefix advertisement as anycast. > > ##PP > we have following text in the draft already: > > "If both N-flag and A-flag are set in the prefix/SRv6 Locator > advertisement, the receiving routers MUST ignore the N-flag." > > > > > > > For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a /128 prefix/locator, > > > > if the N-flag and A-flag are NOT set, the receiving routers > > > > MUST treat the prefix advertisement as anycast. > > ##PP > I don't think above statement is correct. Why a node cannot advertise a > /128 prefix which is not an anycast one and does not have a N-bit set? > > > > > This rule ensures the > > > > correct interpretation of a prefix advertisement originated by > > > > a router that is not SRv6 capable and originates a legacy > > > > Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV based on [RFC7794] alone. > > > > For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a prefix/locator that > > > > is NOT /128, the N-flag must be ignored, so the setting of the > > > > A-flag determines the anycast treatment of the prefix advertisement. > > ##PP > A-flag does that regardless of the length of the prefix. > > > > > > The Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV can be carried in the SRv6 > > Locator TLV > > > > as well as the Prefix Reachability TLVs. When a router originates > > > > both the Prefix Reachability TLV and the SRv6 Locator TLV for a given > > > > prefix, and the router is originating the Prefix Attribute Flags > Sub-TLV > > > > in one of the TLVs, the router SHOULD advertise identical versions > of the > > > > Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in both TLVs. > > ##PP > Above seems a good suggestion. Will add it. > > > > > > > > > If a router receives one Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the > > > > Prefix Reachability TLV and another in the SRv6 Locator TLV, the > router should > > > > use the prefix attribute flags received in the Prefix Reachability > TLV. > > ##PP > above contradicts what you suggest in the previous paragraph, where you > suggest we need to advertise with both prefix and locator, and here you > suggest we ignore what we received in the locator. > > Are you talking about the case where the content of the Prefix Attribute > Flags Sub-TLV is different in prefix vs locator? > > > > > > > > If a router receives a Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the > > > > Prefix Reachability TLV but not in the SRv6 Locator TLV, the router > should > > > > use the prefix attribute flags received in the Prefix Reachability > TLV. > > ##PP > do we really need this? If the originator does the right thing, then we > don't have the problem. Cross referencing data between different TLVs > complicates the implementations. > > > > > > > > > > If a router receives a Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in the > > > > SRv6 Locator TLV but not in the Prefix Reachability TLV, > > > > the router should use the prefix attribute flags received in the > SRv6 Locator TLV. > > ##PP > same as above. > > thanks, > Peter > > > > > ==== end insert new text ========= > > > > The same prefix/SRv6 Locator can be advertised by multiple routers. > > > > If at least one of them sets the A-Flag in its advertisement, the > > > > prefix/SRv6 Locator SHOULD be considered as anycast. > > > > > > > > =================== > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:15 PM Christian Hopps > > wrote: > > > > This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb 4, 2020, for > > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions > > > > https://datatracker.ietf. > .org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/ > > < > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/> > > > > Authors please indicate if you aware of any other IPR beyond what is > > posted: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/ > > > > Thanks, > > Chris & Acee. > > _______________________________________________ > > Lsr mailing list > > Lsr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > > > > --00000000000043869d059d753342 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Peter and Les,

It seems to me that for the Node Flag in RFC7794 an=
d the proposed Anycast Flag 
in draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04, we are ultimately concerned w=
ith 
how to identify IGP-N=
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the Segment Routing Architecture docum=
ent.=C2=A0 
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If this is=
 the case, then the following text from RFC8402 is very relevant.
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=C2=A0=C2=A0 more than one router within the s=
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=C2=A0
3.3.=C2=A0 IGP-Anycast Segment (Anycast-SID)=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 ....
=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 An IGP-Anycast segment MUST NOT reference a particular node.



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draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04
do not allow us



to
unambiguously identify a Node-SID for a non-/128 



prefix/locator.=C2=A0
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either
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allow the three possible prefix-SIDs states to be easily represented.=




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Interpretation II) is correct, then I think that the current encodings in <=
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draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-04
need clarification with respect to 



how
to interpret a /128 prefix/locator advertisement with N=3D0, A=3D0. We



have
to decide between interpreting the End-SIDs within the locator=




as
either Node-SIDs or Anycast-SIDs, since there is no third option.



I
think that interpreting the End-SIDs as Anycast-SIDs in the N=3D0, A=3D0



case
is preferable because it preserves backwards compatibility.

Thanks,
=
Chris



=C2=A0


On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:02 AM Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi Chris,

please see inline (##PP)

On 29/01/2020 17:25, Chris Bowers wrote:
> I would like to proposed the following text to make section 6 more cle= ar.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0(existing text)
>
>
> 6.=C2=A0 Advertising Anycast Property
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Both prefixes and SRv6 Locators may be configured a= s anycast and as
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 such the same value can be advertised by multiple r= outers.=C2=A0 It is
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 useful for other routers to know that the advertise= ment is for an
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 anycast identifier.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 A new flag in "Bit Values for Prefix Attribute= Flags Sub-TLV"
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 registry [RFC7794] is defined to advertise the anyc= ast property:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Bit #: 4 (Suggested - to be= assigned by IANA)
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Name: Anycast Flag (A-flag)=
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 When the prefix/SRv6 locato= r is configured as anycast, the A-flag
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SHOULD be set. Otherwise, t= his flag MUST be clear.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 The A-flag MUST be preserved when leaked between le= vels.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 The A-flag and the N-flag MUST NOT both be set.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D start insert new text =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
> Certain use cases require prefixes/locators that uniquely belong to a = node.
>
> Since prefixes/locators which are not /128 should not have the N bit s= et,
>
> this node local uniqueness is decided based on A bit for non-/128 pref= ixes.

##PP
above does not seem correct. Above seems to imply that for non-/128
prefix, A-bit is replacement of N-bit.

A-bit applies to both /128 and non-/128 prefixes equally.

Current draft clearly states what to do when both N a A bits are set.



>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 When a prefix/locator iscategorized as anycast, it = does not uniquely
> belong
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 to a node and cannot be used for such use cases.=C2= =A0 The rules below
> specify
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 how to determine whether or not a prefix/locator sh= ould be treated
> as anycast
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 in various situations.
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 [RFC7794] contains the following restriction on the= interpretation of the N-flag.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"If the flag is set and the prefix length is N= OT a host prefix
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0(/32 for IPV4, /128 forIPv6), then the f= lag MUST be ignored."
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 The current document does NOT modify this restricti= on on the interpretation of
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0the N-flag imposed by [RFC7794].

##PP
I don't think above text is needed. And I don't think above is
completely correct, as we define a new case in which the N-bit should be ignored (when A-bit is set).


>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a= /128 prefix/locator,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 if both N-flag and A-flag are set, the receiving ro= uter MUST treat the
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0prefix advertisement as anycast.

##PP
we have following text in the draft already:

"If both N-flag and A-flag are set in the prefix/SRv6 Locator
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 advertisement, the receiving routers MUST ignore the N-flag.&= quot;



>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a /128= prefix/locator,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 if the N-flag and A-flag are NOT set, the receiving= routers
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0MUST treat the prefix advertisement as anycast= .=C2=A0

##PP
I don't think above statement is correct. Why a node cannot advertise a=
/128 prefix which is not an anycast one and does not have a N-bit set?



> This rule ensures the
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0correct interpretation of a prefix advertiseme= nt originated by
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0a router that is not SRv6 capable and originat= es a legacy
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV based on [RFC77= 94] alone.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 For a prefix/SRv6 Locator advertisement with a pref= ix/locator that
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 is NOT /128, the N-flag must be ignored, so the set= ting of the
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0A-flag determines the anycast treatment of the= prefix advertisement.

##PP
A-flag does that regardless of the length of the prefix.


>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV can be carr= ied in the SRv6
> Locator TLV
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0as well as the Prefix Reachability TLVs.=C2=A0 When= a router originates
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0both the Prefix Reachability TLV and the SRv6 = Locator TLV for a given
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0prefix, and the router is originating the Pref= ix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 in one of the TLVs, the router SHOULD advertise ide= ntical versions of the
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV in both TLVs.
##PP
Above seems a good suggestion. Will add it.

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 If a router receives one Prefix Attribute Flags Sub= -TLV in the
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Prefix Reachability TLV and another in the SRv= 6 Locator TLV, the router should
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0use the prefix attribute flags received in the= Prefix Reachability TLV.

##PP
above contradicts what you suggest in the previous paragraph, where you suggest we need to advertise with both prefix and locator, and here you suggest we ignore what we received in the locator.

Are you talking about the case where the content of the Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-TLV is different in prefix vs locator?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 If a router receives a Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-T= LV in the
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Prefix Reachability TLV but not in the SRv6 Lo= cator TLV, the router should
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0use the prefix attribute flags received in the= Prefix Reachability TLV.

##PP
do we really need this? If the originator does the right thing, then we don't have the problem. Cross referencing data between different TLVs <= br> complicates the implementations.


>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 If a router receives a Prefix Attribute Flags Sub-T= LV in the
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0SRv6 Locator TLV but not in the Prefix Reachab= ility TLV,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the router should use the prefix attribute flags re= ceived in the SRv6 Locator TLV.

##PP
same as above.

thanks,
Peter

>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D end insert new text =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 The same prefix/SRv6 Locator can be advertised by m= ultiple routers.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 If at least one of them sets the A-Flag in its adve= rtisement, the
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix/SRv6 Locator SHOULD be considered as anycast= .
>
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:15 PM Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org
> <mailto:chop= ps@chopps.org>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This begins a 2 week WG Last Call, ending after Feb= 4, 2020, for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf..org/doc/draft-ietf-ls= r-isis-srv6-extensions/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<htt= ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions/><= br> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors please indicate if you aware of any other I= PR beyond what is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0posted:
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3796/=
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Chris & Acee.
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Hi, Les, Robert and other experts within LSR:

 

We have submitted the draft that related to the passive interface = attribute, please review it at =C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-lsr-passive-interface-at= tribute-00

 

If you are interested, we are also welcome you as the co-author to = put forward it together.

Any comments are welcome.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Aijun Wang
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 18:57
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Robert = Raszuk
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); = lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label = the passive interfaces within = ISIS

 

Hi, Robert:

There are situations that we want = to distinguish the passive interfaces from the normal interfaces. I will = try to write one draft in recent days to describe it and for further = discussion.

 

Thanks in = advance.

Aijun Wang

China = Telecom



On Jan 7, 2020, at = 18:14, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> = wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Hi = Aijun,

 

Right .. I took your email as = an attempt/request to actually advertise passive links in the first = place. 

 

May we know what difference does it = make to you if reachable prefix is part of an active vs passive = interface from IGP point of view = ? 

 

Thx,

R.

 

 

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM = Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org..cn&= gt; wrote:

Hi, Robert:

 

Thanks for = your information.

TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link between them. = As for the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor.

It seems the sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate place to = put this information?

 

P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion = topic.

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 18:58
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun = Wang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to expand = the IS-IS level to 8?

 

Aijun,

 

We just want to distinguish the = passive interfaces from other normal interfaces within ISIS = domain.  It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute Flags=E2=80=9D that = described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate place to extend to = carry such = information.

 

Really ?

 

IMO much better place is to define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 = and mark it there as passive link.

 

 

Now more interesting perhaps is to find out how ISIS is = supposed to react to such information. Or is the intention to carry it = just as an opaque info say for show commands use only = ? 

 

Thx,
R.

 

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I will internally advertise AT&T and IBM, because we work together with both Cisco and Juniper equipment, and by the way with OSPF interoperability. Beyond this tinny found, we can have another one that can bring a big problem. This one, sincerely, I don't know what kind of issue can bring, but at least I already know and it will save our time of troubleshooting or delivering. My intention was to mitigate a possible misunderstanding or a multiple different interpretations, that I guess it is happening with Cisco and Juniper; both are not wrong depending from the section they are based on. So, I will try, following your recommendation, also to contact Cisco and Juniper to make this all clear. As I said, my concern is that we have more inconsistency between vendors and about something bigger. Thank you guys!! Happy 2020. Em qui., 9 de jan. de 2020 =C3=A0s 20:11, Alvaro Retana escreveu: > On January 9, 2020 at 3:51:51 PM, Marcelo Bustani wrote: > > [Trimming the distribution.] > > Marcelo: > > Hi! > > > I believe this is interesting to make this consistent, because I`m faci= ng > > different usage for this situation. For example, Cisco uses cost 1 for > this > > type of interface and Juniper cost 0. > > I think that RFC as a document of standardization must be followed by > all, > > mainly for an open protocol as OSPF. > > > We're all in agreement about the purpose of the RFC. :-) > > As far as the Errata Report, no change to the RFC is needed. Unless > anyone on the list disagrees, I am them going to mark the report as > Rejected. > > You should be able to point the vendors to the RFC text and this > discussion. > > Best regards, > > Alvaro. > --000000000000133770059bbe8d01 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Retana,

I appreciate your= time and of all involved, but it is very inadmissible we have a document u= sed as a reference that is not used appropriately, or by misunderstanding o= r by convenience.

I will internally advertise AT&a= mp;T and IBM, because we work together with both Cisco and Juniper equipmen= t, and by the way with OSPF interoperability. Beyond this tinny found, we c= an have another one that can bring a big problem. This one, sincerely, I do= n't know what kind of issue can bring, but at least I already know and = it will save our time of troubleshooting or delivering. My intention was to= mitigate a possible misunderstanding or a multiple different interpretatio= ns, that I guess it is happening with Cisco and Juniper; both are not wrong= depending from the section they are based on.

So,= I will try, following your recommendation, also to contact Cisco and Junip= er to make this all clear. As I said, my concern is that we have more incon= sistency between vendors and about something bigger.=C2=A0
<= br>
Thank you guys!!
Happy 2020.=C2=A0
=
Em qui= ., 9 de jan. de 2020 =C3=A0s 20:11, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> escreveu:
On January 9, 2020 at 3:51:51= PM, Marcelo Bustani wrote:

[Trimming the distribution.]

Marcelo:

Hi!

> I believe this is interesting to make this consistent, because I`m fac= ing
> different usage for this situation. For example, Cisco uses cost 1 for= this
> type of interface and Juniper cost 0.
> I think that RFC as a document of standardization must be followed by = all,
> mainly for an open protocol as OSPF.


We're all in agreement about the purpose of the RFC. :-)

As far as the Errata Report, no change to the RFC is needed.=C2=A0 Unless anyone on the list disagrees, I am them going to mark the report as
Rejected.

You should be able to point the vendors to the RFC text and this discussion= .

Best regards,

Alvaro.
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[67.169.103.239]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm603290pfa.109.2020.01.09.19.59.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jan 2020 19:59:43 -0800 (PST) Sender: Tony Li From: tony.li@tony.li Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D566FC87-D454-40B2-B83C-042B7A199623" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 19:59:41 -0800 In-Reply-To: <006901d5c75c$c24ad360$46e07a20$@org.cn> Cc: Robert Raszuk , Les Ginsberg , lsr@ietf.org To: Aijun Wang References: <006901d5c75c$c24ad360$46e07a20$@org.cn> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:59:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D566FC87-D454-40B2-B83C-042B7A199623 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Aijun, Thank you for your draft. First off, a =E2=80=98passive interface=E2=80=99 is a particular user = interface phrase used by one very particular vendor. It=E2=80=99s not a = particularly accurate description, either. For example, a =E2=80=98passive= =E2=80=99 interface implies that it might accept protocol packets, but would not be active and send things on that = interface. That might have been meaningful in the distance vector days, = but we=E2=80=99re decades past that now. The =E2=80=99stub link=E2=80=99 = designation=20 sounds more accurate. But that=E2=80=99s just naming. As to mechanism, it seems to me that we already have the mechanisms that = you want. Specifically, RFC 5029 already gives us a way of capturing = link attributes. It would seem to me that all you need is a code point = from that registry and you=E2=80=99d be done. I=E2=80=99d recommend you = direct your draft in that direction. Regards, Tony > On Jan 9, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Aijun Wang = wrote: >=20 > Hi, Les, Robert and other experts within LSR: > =20 > We have submitted the draft that related to the passive interface = attribute, please review it at = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-lsr-passive-interface-attribute-00 = > =20 > If you are interested, we are also welcome you as the co-author to put = forward it together. > Any comments are welcome. > =20 > Thanks in advance. > =20 > =20 > Best Regards. > =20 > Aijun Wang > China Telecom > =20 > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Aijun Wang > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 = 18:57 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Robert Raszuk > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces = within ISIS > =20 > Hi, Robert: > There are situations that we want to distinguish the passive = interfaces from the normal interfaces. I will try to write one draft in = recent days to describe it and for further discussion. > =20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 > Aijun Wang > China Telecom >=20 >=20 > On Jan 7, 2020, at 18:14, Robert Raszuk > wrote: >=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >> Hi Aijun, >> =20 >> Right .. I took your email as an attempt/request to actually = advertise passive links in the first place.=20 >> =20 >> May we know what difference does it make to you if reachable prefix = is part of an active vs passive interface from IGP point of view ?=20 >> =20 >> Thx, >> R. >> =20 >> =20 >> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM Aijun Wang > wrote: >>> Hi, Robert: >>> =20 >>> Thanks for your information. >>> TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link between = them. As for the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor.=20 >>> It seems the sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate place to = put this information? >>> =20 >>> P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion topic. >>> =20 >>> Best Regards. >>> =20 >>> Aijun Wang >>> China Telecom >>> =20 >>> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org = ] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk >>> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5= 18:58 >>> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang >>> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org = >>> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to = expand the IS-IS level to 8? >>> =20 >>> Aijun, >>> =20 >>>> We just want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other = normal interfaces within ISIS domain. It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribut= e Flags=E2=80=9D that described in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 = is the most = appropriate place to extend to carry such information. >>> =20 >>> Really ? >>> =20 >>> IMO much better place is to define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it = there as passive link. >>> =20 >>> Ref: https://tools..ietf.org/html/rfc5029 = >>> =20 >>> Now more interesting perhaps is to find out how ISIS is supposed to = react to such information. Or is the intention to carry it just as an = opaque info say for show commands use only ?=20 >>> =20 >>> Thx, >>> R. >>> =20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Lsr mailing list >> Lsr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr = _______________________________= ________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --Apple-Mail=_D566FC87-D454-40B2-B83C-042B7A199623 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Hi Aijun,

Thank you for your draft.

First off, a =E2=80=98pass= ive interface=E2=80=99 is a particular user interface phrase used by one = very particular vendor.  It=E2=80=99s not a particularly accurate = description, either. For example, a =E2=80=98passive=E2=80=99 interface = implies that it might
accept protocol packets, but = would not be active and send things on that interface.  That might = have been meaningful in the distance vector days, but we=E2=80=99re = decades past that now. The =E2=80=99stub link=E2=80=99 = designation 
sounds more accurate.

But that=E2=80=99s just = naming.

As to = mechanism, it seems to me that we already have the mechanisms that you = want. Specifically, RFC 5029 already gives us a way of capturing link = attributes. It would seem to me that all you need is a code point from = that registry and you=E2=80=99d be done.  I=E2=80=99d recommend you = direct your draft in that direction.

Regards,
Tony




On Jan 9, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn> wrote:

Hi, Les, Robert and = other experts within LSR:
 
We have = submitted the draft that related to the passive interface attribute, = please review it at  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-lsr-passive-interface-at= tribute-00
 
If you are = interested, we are also welcome you as the co-author to put forward it = together.
Any comments = are welcome.
 
Thanks in = advance.
 
 
Best Regards.
 
Aijun Wang
China Telecom
 
=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Aijun Wang
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 18:57
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Robert Raszuk
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label = the passive interfaces within ISIS
 
Hi, Robert:
There are situations that we = want to distinguish the passive interfaces from the normal interfaces. I = will try to write one draft in recent days to describe it and for = further discussion.
 

Thanks in advance.

Aijun Wang
China Telecom


On Jan = 7, 2020, at 18:14, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF<= o:p class=3D"">
Hi = Aijun,
 
Right .. I took = your email as an attempt/request to actually advertise passive = links in the first place. 
 
May we know what difference does it make to = you if reachable prefix is part of an active vs passive interface from = IGP point of view ? 
 
Thx,
R.
 
 
On Tue, = Jan 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org..cn>= wrote:
Hi, Robert:
 
Thanks for your information.
TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link = between them. As for the passive interfaces, there may be no = neighbor. 
It seems the sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate = place to put this information?
 
P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion = topic.
 
Best Regards.
 
Aijun = Wang
China = Telecom
 
=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 18:58
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level = to 8?
 
Aijun,
 
We just = want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal interfaces = within ISIS domain.  It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute Flags=E2=80= =9D that described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate = place to extend to carry such information.
 
Really ?
 
IMO much better place is to = define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it there as passive link.
 
Ref: https://tools..ietf.org/html/rfc5029
 
Now more interesting perhaps = is to find out how ISIS is supposed to react to such information. Or is = the intention to carry it just as an opaque info say for show commands = use only ? 
 
Thx,
R.
 
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= --Apple-Mail=_D566FC87-D454-40B2-B83C-042B7A199623-- From nobody Thu Jan 9 23:12:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lsr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436FC1200B3 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 23:12:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id muYs6SHYt7AE for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 23:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (m176115.mail.qiye.163.com [59.111.176.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D838120142 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 23:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m176115.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id 55340664068; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:12:13 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: Cc: "'Les Ginsberg'" , "'Robert Raszuk'" , References: <006901d5c75c$c24ad360$46e07a20$@org.cn> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:12:12 +0800 Message-ID: <00bb01d5c785$483d91b0$d8b8b510$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01D5C7C8.5660D1B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdXHanAwT1mPs0pORHCdKnCrydP8TAAE0qgQ Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUtXWQgYFAkeWUFZVktVSEJDS0tLS0tKQktMSE9CWVdZKF lBSkxLS0o3V1ktWUFJV1kJDhceCFlBWTU0KTY6NyQpLjc#WQY+ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6NhQ6Mzo5HDgxNR4CDh8rOAhW KhcwChZVSlVKTkxDTU9LSEhCQkNOVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWVdZCAFZQUhDSkhONwY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a6f8e4bdaa09373kuws55340664068 Archived-At: Subject: [Lsr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgTWV0aG9kcyB0byBsYWJlbCB0aGUgcGFzc2l2?= =?utf-8?q?e_interfaces_within_ISIS?= X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 07:12:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01D5C7C8.5660D1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Tony: =20 Thanks for your suggestions. If the behavior of =E2=80=9Cstub link=E2=80=9D is same as that = =E2=80=9Cpassive interface=E2=80=9D, for example, not sending thing on = that interface, but can receive, we can modify the description later in = the updated version of this draft. For the link attributes that defined in RFC5029, as that stated in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5029#section-2, this sub-TLV is included = in the TLV 22(Extended IS Reachability).=20 As I read the IANA code point = https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-codepoints.= xhtml#isis-tlv-codepoints-22-23-25-141-222-223, it notes this sub-TLV = can be included in all of these TLVs (22,23,25,141,222,223).=20 =20 But, when the interface is configured as passive/stub, it seems that the = above TLVs will not be advertised, because there is no IS neighbor on = this passive link. =20 TLV 141 =E2=80=9CInter-AS reachability information=E2=80=9D seems be one = appropriate TLV to include this sub-TLV, but it requires the IS-IS TE = deployment, and is not suitable for describing the passive/stub link on = edge router. =20 In summary, it seems put this attribute into the =E2=80=9CPrefix = Attribute Flags=E2=80=9D sub-TLV which can be included in TLV = 135,235,236 and 237 (Extended IP reachability, MT IP. Reach, IPv6 IP. = Reach, and MT IPv6 IP. Reach TLVs) is more applicable? =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 tony.li@tony.li =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 = 12:00 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg; Robert Raszuk; lsr@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces = within ISIS =20 =20 Hi Aijun, =20 Thank you for your draft. =20 First off, a =E2=80=98passive interface=E2=80=99 is a particular user = interface phrase used by one very particular vendor. It=E2=80=99s not a = particularly accurate description, either. For example, a = =E2=80=98passive=E2=80=99 interface implies that it might accept protocol packets, but would not be active and send things on that = interface. That might have been meaningful in the distance vector days, = but we=E2=80=99re decades past that now. The =E2=80=99stub link=E2=80=99 = designation=20 sounds more accurate. =20 But that=E2=80=99s just naming. =20 As to mechanism, it seems to me that we already have the mechanisms that = you want. Specifically, RFC 5029 already gives us a way of capturing = link attributes. It would seem to me that all you need is a code point = from that registry and you=E2=80=99d be done. I=E2=80=99d recommend you = direct your draft in that direction. =20 Regards, Tony =20 =20 =20 On Jan 9, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Aijun Wang = wrote: =20 Hi, Les, Robert and other experts within LSR: =20 We have submitted the draft that related to the passive interface = attribute, please review it at = = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-lsr-passive-interface-attribute-00= =20 If you are interested, we are also welcome you as the co-author to put = forward it together. Any comments are welcome. =20 Thanks in advance. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Aijun Wang =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 = 18:57 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Robert Raszuk =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces = within ISIS =20 Hi, Robert: There are situations that we want to distinguish the passive interfaces = from the normal interfaces. I will try to write one draft in recent days = to describe it and for further discussion. =20 Thanks in advance. Aijun Wang China Telecom On Jan 7, 2020, at 18:14, Robert Raszuk < = robert@raszuk.net> wrote: =EF=BB=BF Hi Aijun, =20 Right .. I took your email as an attempt/request to actually advertise = passive links in the first place.=20 =20 May we know what difference does it make to you if reachable prefix is = part of an active vs passive interface from IGP point of view ?=20 =20 Thx, R. =20 =20 On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM Aijun Wang < = wangaijun@tsinghua.org..cn> wrote: Hi, Robert: =20 Thanks for your information. TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link between them. As = for the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor.=20 It seems the sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate place to put = this information? =20 P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion topic. =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: = lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto: = lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 = 18:58 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); = lsr@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to = expand the IS-IS level to 8? =20 Aijun, =20 We just want to distinguish the passive interfaces from other normal = interfaces within ISIS domain. It seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute = Flags=E2=80=9D that described in = = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate = place to extend to carry such information. =20 Really ? =20 IMO much better place is to define new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it = there as passive link. =20 Ref: = https://tools..ietf.org/html/rfc5029 =20 Now more interesting perhaps is to find out how ISIS is supposed to = react to such information. Or is the intention to carry it just as an = opaque info say for show commands use only ?=20 =20 Thx, R. =20 _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01D5C7C8.5660D1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Tony:

 

Thanks for your suggestions.

If the behavior of =E2=80=9Cstub link=E2=80=9D is same as that = =E2=80=9Cpassive interface=E2=80=9D, for example, not sending thing on = that interface, but can receive, we can modify the description later in = the updated version of this draft.

For the link attributes that defined in RFC5029, as that stated in = https://tools.ietf= .org/html/rfc5029#section-2, this sub-TLV is included in the TLV 22(Extended IS Reachability). =

As I read the IANA code point https://www.iana.= org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-codepoints.xhtml#isis-tlv-co= depoints-22-23-25-141-222-223, = it notes this sub-TLV can be included in all of these TLVs = (22,23,25,141,222,223).

 

But, when the interface is configured as passive/stub, it seems that = the above TLVs will not be advertised, because there is no IS neighbor = on this passive link.=C2=A0

TLV 141 =E2=80=9CInter-AS reachability information=E2=80=9D seems be = one appropriate TLV to include this sub-TLV, but it requires the IS-IS = TE deployment, and is not suitable for describing the passive/stub link = on edge router.

 

In summary, it seems put this attribute into the =E2=80=9CPrefix = Attribute Flags=E2=80=9D sub-TLV which can be included in TLV = 135,235,236 and 237 (Extended IP reachability, MT IP. Reach, IPv6 IP. = Reach, and MT IPv6 IP. Reach TLVs) is more = applicable?

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 tony.li@tony.li
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 12:00
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun = Wang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg; Robert Raszuk; = lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label = the passive interfaces within = ISIS

 

 

Hi = Aijun,

 

Thank you for your = draft.

 

First off, a =E2=80=98passive = interface=E2=80=99 is a particular user interface phrase used by one = very particular vendor.  It=E2=80=99s not a particularly accurate = description, either. For example, a =E2=80=98passive=E2=80=99 interface = implies that it might

accept protocol packets, but would = not be active and send things on that interface.  That might have = been meaningful in the distance vector days, but we=E2=80=99re decades = past that now. The =E2=80=99stub link=E2=80=99 = designation 

sounds more = accurate.

 

But that=E2=80=99s just = naming.

 

As to mechanism, it seems to me = that we already have the mechanisms that you want. Specifically, RFC = 5029 already gives us a way of capturing link attributes. It would seem = to me that all you need is a code point from that registry and = you=E2=80=99d be done.  I=E2=80=99d recommend you direct your draft = in that direction.

 

Regards,

Tony

 

 

 



On Jan 9, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Aijun = Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn&g= t; wrote:

 

Hi, Les, Robert and other experts within LSR:

 

We have submitted the draft that related to the passive interface = attribute, please review it at  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-lsr-passive= -interface-attribute-00

 

If you are interested, we are also welcome you as the co-author to = put forward it together.

Any comments are welcome.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Aijun Wang
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 18:57
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Robert = Raszuk
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2= =98: Re: [Lsr] Methods to = label the passive interfaces within ISIS

 

Hi, = Robert:

There are situations that we want to distinguish the = passive interfaces from the normal interfaces. I will try to write one = draft in recent days to describe it and for further = discussion.

 

Thanks in advance.

Aijun = Wang

China = Telecom




On = Jan 7, 2020, at 18:14, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> = wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Hi = Aijun,

 

Right .. I took your email as = an attempt/request to actually advertise passive links in the first = place. 

 

May we know what difference does it = make to you if reachable prefix is part of an active vs passive = interface from IGP point of view = ? 

 

Thx,

R.

 

 

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM = Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org..cn> = wrote:

Hi, Robert:

 

Thanks for = your information.

TLV-22 is used to describe the IS neighbor and the link between them. = As for the passive interfaces, there may be no neighbor. 

It seems the sub-TLV within this TLV is not the appropriate place to = put this information?

 

P.S. I changed the thread to reflect the conversion = topic.

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lsr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 18:58
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun = Wang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg); lsr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2= =98: Re: [Lsr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Is it necessary to expand the IS-IS level to = 8?

 

Aijun,

 

We just want to distinguish the passive = interfaces from other normal interfaces within ISIS domain.  It = seems that the =E2=80=9CAttribute Flags=E2=80=9D that = described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1 is the most appropriate place to extend to carry = such = information.

 

Really = ?

 

IMO much better place is to define = new sub-TLV of TLV-22 and mark it there as passive = link.

 

 

Now more interesting perhaps is to = find out how ISIS is supposed to react to such information. Or is the = intention to carry it just as an opaque info say for show commands use = only ? 

 

Thx,
R.

 

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[67.169.103.239]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r66sm1577833pfc.74.2020.01.09.23.26.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jan 2020 23:26:35 -0800 (PST) Sender: Tony Li From: tony.li@tony.li Message-Id: <32D6BF50-90F8-40C1-81B3-4DA6646F3F6E@tony.li> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2464CEED-AD95-4366-8D0C-427F300E5086" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 23:26:33 -0800 In-Reply-To: <00bb01d5c785$483d91b0$d8b8b510$@org.cn> Cc: Les Ginsberg , Robert Raszuk , lsr@ietf.org To: Aijun Wang References: <006901d5c75c$c24ad360$46e07a20$@org.cn> <00bb01d5c785$483d91b0$d8b8b510$@org.cn> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lsr] Methods to label the passive interfaces within ISIS X-BeenThere: lsr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Link State Routing Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 07:26:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2464CEED-AD95-4366-8D0C-427F300E5086 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Aijun, > For the link attributes that defined in RFC5029, as that stated in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5029#section-2 = , this sub-TLV is = included in the TLV 22(Extended IS Reachability).=20 > As I read the IANA code point = https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-codepoints.x= html#isis-tlv-codepoints-22-23-25-141-222-223 = , it notes this sub-TLV = can be included in all of these TLVs (22,23,25,141,222,223).=20 > =20 > But, when the interface is configured as passive/stub, it seems that = the above TLVs will not be advertised, because there is no IS neighbor = on this passive link. =20 Fair point. Given that there is an IP address and prefix on that link, = it would be very reasonable to advertise the Extended IP Reachability = TLV (135). We would then need to make the link attributes sub-TLV = applicable to this TLV (and it=E2=80=99s MT brother). > TLV 141 =E2=80=9CInter-AS reachability information=E2=80=9D seems be = one appropriate TLV to include this sub-TLV, but it requires the IS-IS = TE deployment, and is not suitable for describing the passive/stub link = on edge router. > =20 > In summary, it seems put this attribute into the =E2=80=9CPrefix = Attribute Flags=E2=80=9D sub-TLV which can be included in TLV = 135,235,236 and 237 (Extended IP reachability, MT IP. Reach, IPv6 IP. = Reach, and MT IPv6 IP. Reach TLVs) is more applicable? It would seem to me that what you=E2=80=99re describing is an attribute = of a link, not of a prefix, thus I would favor it remaining a link = attribute. But that=E2=80=99s just me. :-) Tony --Apple-Mail=_2464CEED-AD95-4366-8D0C-427F300E5086 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Hi Aijun,


For the link attributes that defined in = RFC5029, as that stated in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5029#section-2, this sub-TLV is included in the TLV = 22(Extended IS Reachability). 
As I read the IANA code = point https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-c= odepoints.xhtml#isis-tlv-codepoints-22-23-25-141-222-223, it notes this sub-TLV = can be included in all of these TLVs (22,23,25,141,222,223). 
 
But, when the = interface is configured as passive/stub, it seems that the above TLVs = will not be advertised, because there is no IS neighbor on this passive = link.  


Fair = point. Given that there is an IP address and prefix on that link, it = would be very reasonable to advertise the Extended IP Reachability TLV = (135). We would then need to make the link attributes sub-TLV applicable = to this TLV (and it=E2=80=99s MT brother).


TLV 141 =E2=80=9CInter-AS= reachability information=E2=80=9D seems be one appropriate TLV to = include this sub-TLV, but it requires the IS-IS TE deployment, and is = not suitable for describing the passive/stub link on edge router.
 
In summary, it = seems put this attribute into the =E2=80=9CPrefix Attribute Flags=E2=80=9D= sub-TLV which can be included in TLV 135,235,236 and 237 (Extended IP = reachability, MT IP. Reach, IPv6 IP. Reach, and MT IPv6 IP. Reach TLVs) = is more applicable?


It would seem to = me that what you=E2=80=99re describing is an attribute of a link, not of = a prefix, thus I would favor it remaining a link = attribute.

But that=E2=80=99s just = me.  :-)

Tony

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Today in some implementations they are advertised after marking them as passive int. Thx R. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 08:26 wrote: > > Hi Aijun, > > > For the link attributes that defined in RFC5029, as that stated in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5029#section-2, this sub-TLV is included > in the TLV 22(Extended IS Reachability). > As I read the IANA code point > https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-codepoints.= xhtml#isis-tlv-codepoints-22-23-25-141-222-223 > , it notes this sub-TLV can be included in all of these TLVs > (22,23,25,141,222,223). > > But, when the interface is configured as passive/stub, it seems that the > above TLVs will not be advertised, because there is no IS neighbor on thi= s > passive link. > > > > Fair point. Given that there is an IP address and prefix on that link, it > would be very reasonable to advertise the Extended IP Reachability TLV > (135). We would then need to make the link attributes sub-TLV applicable = to > this TLV (and it=E2=80=99s MT brother). > > > TLV 141 =E2=80=9CInter-AS reachability information=E2=80=9D seems be one = appropriate TLV > to include this sub-TLV, but it requires the IS-IS TE deployment, and is > not suitable for describing the passive/stub link on edge router. > > In summary, it seems put this attribute into the =E2=80=9CPrefix Attribut= e Flags=E2=80=9D > sub-TLV which can be included in TLV 135,235,236 and 237 (Extended IP > reachability, MT IP. Reach, IPv6 IP. Reach, and MT IPv6 IP. Reach TLVs) i= s > more applicable? > > > > It would seem to me that what you=E2=80=99re describing is an attribute o= f a link, > not of a prefix, thus I would favor it remaining a link attribute. > > But that=E2=80=99s just me. :-) > > Tony > > --0000000000007cbd96059bc83e5b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tony,

I agree with you that essentially this is a link property (hence my earli= er hint towards 5029) so it makes it at least two of us recommending direct= ion towards 5029 now ;)

= While we are at this perhaps it would be also useful to be able to differen= tiate reachability on stub links vs virtual local interfaces. Today in some= implementations they are advertised after marking them as passive int.

Thx
= R.


On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 08:26 <t= ony.li@tony.li> wrote:

= Hi Aijun,


For the link attributes t= hat defined in RFC5029, as that stated in=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5029#section-2,=C2=A0this sub-TLV is included in the TLV 22(Ext= ended IS Reachability).=C2=A0
As I read the IANA code point=C2=A0https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoint= s/isis-tlv-codepoints.xhtml#isis-tlv-codepoints-22-23-25-141-222-223,=C2=A0it notes this sub-TLV can be included in all of these TLV= s (22,23,25,141,222,223).=C2=A0
=C2=A0
But, when the interface is configured as passive/= stub, it seems that the above TLVs will not be advertised, because there is= no IS neighbor on this passive link.=C2=A0=C2=A0
=


Fair point. Giv= en that there is an IP address and prefix on that link, it would be very re= asonable to advertise the Extended IP Reachability TLV (135). We would then= need to make the link attributes sub-TLV applicable to this TLV (and it=E2= =80=99s MT brother).


TLV 141 =E2=80=9CInter-AS reachabili= ty information=E2=80=9D seems be one appropriate TLV to include this sub-TL= V, but it requires the IS-IS TE deployment, and is not suitable for describ= ing the passive/stub link on edge router.
=C2=A0
= In summary, it seems put this attribute into the = =E2=80=9CPrefix Attribute Flags=E2=80=9D sub-TLV which can be included in T= LV 135,235,236 and 237 (Extended IP reachability, MT IP. Reach, IPv6 IP. Re= ach, and MT IPv6 IP. Reach TLVs) is more applicable?


It would seem to me that what = you=E2=80=99re describing is an attribute of a link, not of a prefix, thus = I would favor it remaining a link attribute.

But t= hat=E2=80=99s just me. =C2=A0:-)

Tony