From nobody Fri Jul 1 07:12:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDD012D647 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.727 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.727 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 63S6jEBLM6fF for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDC7612D648 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A50BE53 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:12:22 +0100 (IST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jL9wYbEYTYOv for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:12:22 +0100 (IST) Received: from [134.226.36.93] (bilbo.dsg.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.36.93]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78E8ABE4C for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:12:22 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1467382342; bh=Xz3FEhelCtcoc4XC27VAuKRv+khuWoq+KtOpzwb0tgU=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=YZ5wCB98X37uWXU6PhGw41QtrhGsRs/VGHx7LTiR72gIDZQlrXP1dsI8aTkSl8ORV vmBuRaKSqcpPSz+30fDOVLzBTffs7qVybGHB1oP+0g/wTnHht7gK7cnQBx4yXYAdJD SYv3b5rLmZB8bUnMkQMO4NAdlNXbH0DRRJWZU5oQ= To: manycouches@ietf.org From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <57767A46.5070405@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:12:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms090604050804080107080704" Archived-At: Subject: [Manycouches] Added SM and Dan York X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:12:31 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090604050804080107080704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, As discussed offlist, I've added Dan York and SM to the mailing list. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030506020206020500010206" Archived-At: Subject: [Manycouches] identifying issues with O(1000) folks at home... X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:13:23 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030506020206020500010206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, So I think our task here is to identify issues and possible experiments that might help explore those issues. Here are some issues, please add yours and/or argue about these: - How to approach the intractable timezone problem - Mechanics of such large numbers connecting at once (incl. handling failures, incl. warm-body fails) - Impacts on funding, meeting fees, sponsors,... - How to make up for being anti-social with us all sitting on couches alone - How to be (more) effective in getting work done while - Security and privacy issues with such a fully online meeting - a new style of meeting network and NOC? - Phasing in stuff, when to run what experiments? - Maximising overall cost (incl. time) reduction for participants, esp. those for whom cost (incl. time) is a bigger deal - Is there still a need for at least a vestigial meeting site? - If we could do this, wouldn't companies quickly reduce what they're willing to pay to send a person to a physical IETF meeting? I think it'd be good to bat these about for a bit and then see if we figure if we have a near (enough) complete list and if we think some one of us could draft a paragraph describing the issue that'd be non-controversial. Separately, we might also want to talk about whether we or a subset of us might want to get together in Berlin. And if so... when. I guess unless there's a resounding "no, don't want to meet" we should start a doodle poll and see which is the least bad slot. Lastly, please do feel very free to question the entire framing of the issues or overall discussion here. 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From nobody Wed Jul 6 02:15:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A261D12D140 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 02:15:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.727 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.727 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vg8ttGT-zqYV for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 02:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher 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X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 09:15:58 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040705060807050203040606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No responses? S. On 01/07/16 15:13, Stephen Farrell wrote: >=20 > Hiya, >=20 > So I think our task here is to identify issues and possible > experiments that might help explore those issues. >=20 > Here are some issues, please add yours and/or argue about > these: >=20 > - How to approach the intractable timezone problem > - Mechanics of such large numbers connecting at once > (incl. handling failures, incl. warm-body fails) > - Impacts on funding, meeting fees, sponsors,... > - How to make up for being anti-social with us all > sitting on couches alone > - How to be (more) effective in getting work done > while > - Security and privacy issues with such a fully > online meeting - a new style of meeting network > and NOC? > - Phasing in stuff, when to run what experiments? > - Maximising overall cost (incl. time) reduction > for participants, esp. those for whom cost (incl. > time) is a bigger deal > - Is there still a need for at least a vestigial > meeting site? > - If we could do this, wouldn't companies quickly reduce > what they're willing to pay to send a person to a > physical IETF meeting? >=20 > I think it'd be good to bat these about for a bit and > then see if we figure if we have a near (enough) complete > list and if we think some one of us could draft a > paragraph describing the issue that'd be non-controversial. >=20 > Separately, we might also want to talk about whether we or > a subset of us might want to get together in Berlin. And if > so... when. I guess unless there's a resounding "no, don't > want to meet" we should start a doodle poll and see which > is the least bad slot. >=20 > Lastly, please do feel very free to question the entire > framing of the issues or overall discussion here. >=20 > S. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >=20 --------------ms040705060807050203040606 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC CvIwggUIMIID8KADAgECAhBPzaE7pzYviUJyhmHTFBdnMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMHUxCzAJ BgNVBAYTAklMMRYwFAYDVQQKEw1TdGFydENvbSBMdGQuMSkwJwYDVQQLEyBTdGFydENvbSBD ZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0eTEjMCEGA1UEAxMaU3RhcnRDb20gQ2xhc3MgMSBDbGll 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header.d=elandsys.com header.b=yrBgZrnk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DZF_P-2_uZTF for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DF412D745 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.226.54.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u66A9EK6021713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:09:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1467799765; x=1467886165; bh=jUqet2UA+BuUhG20azK8JZSN/df87KkEuAtpqsCu94w=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=skftTxlAtwyFAN+LJngBNP48jZJ/CGv59lygPcbGhp0auq3N5pLsqUz2f/iX5TtT7 F200zAtCkxZ4JKAZhP4oMj2r2D9os+rkEoKsVdqKJxKqhXTkY8a9CyU9lmNe1aeU+x 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X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:09:35 -0000 Hi Stephen, At 07:13 01-07-2016, Stephen Farrell wrote: >So I think our task here is to identify issues and possible >experiments that might help explore those issues. > >Here are some issues, please add yours and/or argue about >these: > >- How to approach the intractable timezone problem >- Mechanics of such large numbers connecting at once > (incl. handling failures, incl. warm-body fails) >- Impacts on funding, meeting fees, sponsors,... >- How to make up for being anti-social with us all > sitting on couches alone >- How to be (more) effective in getting work done > while >- Security and privacy issues with such a fully > online meeting - a new style of meeting network > and NOC? >- Phasing in stuff, when to run what experiments? >- Maximising overall cost (incl. time) reduction > for participants, esp. those for whom cost (incl. > time) is a bigger deal >- Is there still a need for at least a vestigial > meeting site? >- If we could do this, wouldn't companies quickly reduce > what they're willing to pay to send a person to a > physical IETF meeting? > >I think it'd be good to bat these about for a bit and >then see if we figure if we have a near (enough) complete >list and if we think some one of us could draft a >paragraph describing the issue that'd be non-controversial. The above is a good list to start with as I could classify some of the issues within what is in the list. For ease of discussion I'll define the problem differently: how to move from discussing by writing to each other to discussing where we can all talk to each other. I'll assume that there aren't any technical problems to tackle. The first issue is scheduling as I'll have to choose a time (and a date) which is convenient to most of the participants instead of following the local time zone. The second issue is that some people might find video from the home intrusive. There is already the ability to hold virtual meetings. That could be used to phase in stuff. At the moment we are familiar with a WG slot work style. Although there isn't a common practice across all WGs, we don't have to be concerned about that as there is some work being done at the end of the day. Should the existing work style be mapped directly into the remote thing? Here's a different angle; your constraint is that you are not allowed to use email for this design team. How do you proceed? Regards, S. Moonesamy From nobody Wed Jul 6 03:22:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15B512D756 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:22:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.727 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.727 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nAYY7k-l5uHT for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73BCB12D74C for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347B9BDD0; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:22:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FUBqO482jhqk; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:22:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from [134.226.36.93] (bilbo.dsg.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.36.93]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E227BDCC; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:22:51 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1467800572; bh=Y1Ng0A5NJm5sNrmNIc2dtyu1alTsqYKGU1+46PJyqKs=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=a69Z4ISpuEqxLm0NBmk5IKF9v5WZsGpogmqwiirB4Zy2ZqmOVCvfgKssBZKNfMoDv c5Zy9VKGcqaM3U7ExqAjO2TF7NwfD+WRf/uxJGJkurEY4oUJ7A7NEAmj+hQzRlSwHg cZDXVNvL18ILpgm7BN00INyjAYexoujFoUCs1az8= To: S Moonesamy , manycouches@ietf.org References: <57767A6E.7020109@cs.tcd.ie> <6.2.5.6.2.20160706022029.0a4e3b50@elandnews.com> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <577CDBFB.1030602@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:22:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20160706022029.0a4e3b50@elandnews.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms000301030300010906060705" Archived-At: Subject: [Manycouches] per-WG scheduling (was: Re: identifying issues with O(1000) folks at home...) X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:22:57 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000301030300010906060705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Please feel free to make a better subject line:-) On 06/07/16 11:08, S Moonesamy wrote: >=20 > The first issue is scheduling as I'll have to choose a time (and a date= ) > which is convenient to most of the participants instead of following th= e > local time zone. =20 Well, with O(1000) remote folks, maybe we'll not really have any "local" TZ at all. I'm not sure there's any good way to handle TZ pain generally. One not-great idea might be to have say 3 slots/sessions per WG during a week (or two) where those are chosen to spread the TZ pain for most participants, at the cost of some agenda repetition and of fairly severe TZ pain for the most active participants/chairs. That seems pretty awful, but maybe less so if one compares it to the costs (time/money) of a full week's travel. > The second issue is that some people might find video > from the home intrusive. There is already the ability to hold virtual > meetings. That could be used to phase in stuff. I'd assume that video from the home/couch would be opt-in, and that people can work around that ok. >=20 > At the moment we are familiar with a WG slot work style. Although ther= e > isn't a common practice across all WGs, we don't have to be concerned > about that as there is some work being done at the end of the day.=20 > Should the existing work style be mapped directly into the remote > thing?=20 I'd guess that we'd want to start (via experiments) with something that's relatively familiar for participants and then see how that evolves. > Here's a different angle; your constraint is that you are not > allowed to use email for this design team. How do you proceed? I don't get the question tbh. I'm assuming that work on the mailing list proceeds as it always ought. 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<6.2.5.6.2.20160706033212.0a51bd78@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 03:49:06 -0700 To: Stephen Farrell , manycouches@ietf.org From: S Moonesamy In-Reply-To: <577CDBFB.1030602@cs.tcd.ie> References: <57767A6E.7020109@cs.tcd.ie> <6.2.5.6.2.20160706022029.0a4e3b50@elandnews.com> <577CDBFB.1030602@cs.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Manycouches] per-WG scheduling X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:15:45 -0000 Hi Stephen, At 03:22 06-07-2016, Stephen Farrell wrote: >(Please feel free to make a better subject line:-) Ok. :-) >Well, with O(1000) remote folks, maybe we'll not really have any >"local" TZ at all. Even if we do not have any "local" TZ set it will be way past normal working hours for some folks and close to normal working hours for some folks. >I'm not sure there's any good way to handle TZ pain generally. One >not-great idea might be to have say 3 slots/sessions per WG during >a week (or two) where those are chosen to spread the TZ pain for >most participants, at the cost of some agenda repetition and of >fairly severe TZ pain for the most active participants/chairs. Yes. >That seems pretty awful, but maybe less so if one compares it to >the costs (time/money) of a full week's travel. I thought of remote hubs to reduce the cost instead of having everyone under one roof. It might defeat the purpose of going fully-remote. >I'd assume that video from the home/couch would be opt-in, >and that people can work around that ok. Ok. Regards S. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:27:29 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000601070503060204080109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/07/16 11:49, S Moonesamy wrote: >> >=20 > I thought of remote hubs to reduce the cost instead of having everyone > under one roof. It might defeat the purpose of going fully-remote. I'd say remote hubs would be practical in some locations (e.g. Boston, Santa Clara). It'd probably not be something that'd work for me or you today, but maybe over time even places like where we are might grow such things, if they were sufficiently local to not require travel/hotels, and were (somehow) a bit of fun. Definitely a thing to consider though. 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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms040506060209060601030007" Archived-At: Subject: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 15:05:15 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040506060209060601030007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. 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Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 18:03:20 +0200 To: manycouches@ietf.org Message-ID: <1FF354F0-D065-4EF8-82E8-715EFA07D6DB@unina.it> X-Barracuda-Connect: smtp1.unina.it[192.132.34.61] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1468080200 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES256-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://192.132.34.50:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi Received-SPF: softfail (unina.it: domain of transitioning spromano@unina.it does not designate 1.67.232.83 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at unina.it X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL, HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.31148 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.00 BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL Custom Rule SPF Softfail Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 16:08:53 -0000 ------YA4TR37HAJB8K3RMJS8E9VB13UN7DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello Stephen, I'm fine with the proposed date and time. Simon Il 09 Luglio 2016 17:05:09 CEST, Stephen Farrell ha scritto: > >Hiya, > >I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. > >We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. > >Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). > >When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but >likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. > >S. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Manycouches mailing list >Manycouches@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches ------YA4TR37HAJB8K3RMJS8E9VB13UN7DC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Stephen,

I'm fine with the proposed date and time.

Simon

Il 09 Luglio 2016 17:05:09 CEST, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> ha scritto:

Hiya,

I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin.

We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think.

Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is
fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex).

When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but
likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room.

S.


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Thread-Index: AQHR2fNO+Wx9ak7kiESu+vgqD+XwqKARzhiA Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:37:39 +0000 Message-ID: References: <578112A5.8050702@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <578112A5.8050702@cs.tcd.ie> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.120.60.36] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5A7D4EF7-30B0-4BD6-BD98-44B1E85AE6B3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "manycouches@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." 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I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). > > When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but > likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. > > S. > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches --Apple-Mail=_5A7D4EF7-30B0-4BD6-BD98-44B1E85AE6B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXgglYAAoJEFS1wwm/cMFX1uIQAIi2WwWj5usGObi2TWOvD4Cg /ZK90+QCOM2bUihm4ik7J8Q/BvfG+dy9Y+GO+AF6t6bfM9LCgtK6vxC4vJZ3kLpf KTy3qYy1M6R/GktJY/PV3qbboL7ni8AfeX47/Y9TiZlQnLEADHtvmkwVHXmo79BM BUQEtlAk5gcmz8c0gcgynMVwITQj0QKhIVGWpqT6CAANg2T5fFFya6kAxxfTQgBE uJ7ktknpPtfxPewA9yrmLsNx7Uefm4H2Cyc9dz4SAmTirGg//MSyeFio4cUCqBbK Z7EvfZyru+m48D/fLMekVAizub+NIL+M1EVB7JaGmwxu8FE+QcU1pSEwE89xx8bs J5hCLv+fsEXC2sEGx/0JpwYM9uPE2J83obBaoqx+3aTgbp2CzzVKc7b4pLwWkD6c xkhNGbbjwF9ce6IaMFPOtleJ1pUUvtWfJUZX2xeFS8ZZvc8kRTfhWW/6EfWaj1Nf qlGQAAHOb2IabkLpzUHdwwZcvi9zEgiuZBMenZ7UDwWIJVh8j/q0ydE3oSaZbvxR dYe8/gEellPbtOIaLum0lvcswlHmzZoP5g6Q9/v61SlFC/jfju4y44yzvVpCkpiI zmGN6O4l2S1YEfhm2UPS0KeNhgkRYJ1W0rJa1pkx4hq1nXVTWfmAg+MFaVGVNjQh /ac5sxjghIVSCVFtxJbr =JYfF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_5A7D4EF7-30B0-4BD6-BD98-44B1E85AE6B3-- From nobody Sun Jul 10 08:24:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6FA12B015 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:24:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vmYjtaudi3QU for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BAAD126579 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAFCBE2C for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:24:05 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1gIawtpSk1ok for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:24:04 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.87.48.210] (95-45-153-252-dynamic.agg2.phb.bdt-fng.eircom.net [95.45.153.252]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21229BDD0 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:24:04 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1468164244; bh=43UB3ypeE8DjyfBxnIU3MkNkk52DQIkd68Y7l/q2IrU=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=Cvevc/X9pFcXurobGodYaXBMLqplr6ySsVtOMGINKBMqOP+ua+H5lvy5yQUiL9Q/8 q+3BG5HZmXRHSkjJn0DjpwFremafOeaj4pNpdwNoHPAr6ur1rCbafOrHswCJYe7C0I cGYSLuHDVQiAF+8v/TU3F9NzD3AxWUszwsY9iyeQ= To: manycouches@ietf.org From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <57826893.7070805@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:24:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms020600040803080505030809" Archived-At: Subject: [Manycouches] A few more folks added... 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[Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:50:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8EA9F3BAFE542DEB8F226B0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll miss due to IAB stuff. On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Hiya, > > I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. > > We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. > > Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is > fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). > > When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but > likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. > > S. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches --------------8EA9F3BAFE542DEB8F226B0A Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'll miss due to IAB stuff.


On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
Hiya,

I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin.

We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think.

Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is
fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex).

When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but
likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room.

S.




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--------------8EA9F3BAFE542DEB8F226B0A-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 13:24:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780FF12D0C5 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:24:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O102yJpkn7F0 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x235.google.com (mail-vk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C731412B039 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id o63so72112447vkg.1 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:24:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6AcBgke6ML7n625N1z5dHsX8Fk8+4YBj+Zl58bD4GTM=; b=GQBL6f5Tvi0aJVgaI94VsKRjggZhbn9l2jE90yhHREfW4jqpIR9Td5cIWR4vW7X4PQ zobD/chxxlRibk1Rff32DArhycGJdTmAWE94TeeTnqx79jNbxcxW+Ca+GKj6ZFW9xB5p G8HxNhdBhAGPLz2GUSwMg12vHEiaJFOqavlV8JCO1bTWS+2CkJSHbunw6kbTqJNsHLE1 Iv34rBkZw8hlpBuC29s3W578IgH6Q8M89JXBfylHG3hpfMOKCY5wq2UMuwyf94EoJHJO wSok5CbXT95ExSJQG0yVKl9wNqwovPbJmaLnasf7u4lNsOcJs7kfMGcLDXAwDpv5hnex +qdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6AcBgke6ML7n625N1z5dHsX8Fk8+4YBj+Zl58bD4GTM=; b=OJXLTHo4FyCzJz4SbQ3JmlioHUA5TqUVxhVHe2R+3PifzLK210xUtqH/uTXqy+eILe WmduFN3AXQbfs64mdEo6rA3aKaYCdItMoJd4dyDVLEnSYDko60ujz5eBtgwBe3GLMjVy fT5jLliMoV8/wvqjAVr8Dga5fFJpdmwFWzkKZmpckWH4SwCuMfwSwA+BKFVbqJXVJV5b NL4x/vVajh7HnkMhpLtfoFAZQAxKvcA8AiIocaUzasrUr12W5GrbtXTO8e1FCg9j08Hf ZcNLtrl2IxDwqeAaMFQ5siGTuHvee3nUB6o/2onybAE2m0e7A6q5akNuDKa3suyUF6VH x6lA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKBjHXqYrzjqpnA0UDF28nCxfRk/A5PdLDVbOYsJ93p0gQuxN1WyqzuFVMRgt/T+muDPcmz08orLzvJ9Q== X-Received: by 10.31.84.131 with SMTP id i125mr10214886vkb.29.1468268678933; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.37.104 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <578112A5.8050702@cs.tcd.ie> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:24:38 -0400 Message-ID: To: Robert Sparks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: manycouches@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:24:41 -0000 I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security item to the agenda. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > I'll miss due to IAB stuff. > > > On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. > > We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. > > Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is > fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). > > When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but > likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. > > S. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Mon Jul 11 14:29:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B2212D0C3 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:29:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qvKYYG4AZ22O for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x229.google.com (mail-vk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1075A12D0B7 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x229.google.com with SMTP id v6so157155978vkb.2 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:29:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vQby6Mamw73BD1h1oK/HAV0tLoARcgw1Q16VMG1ax4c=; b=cNhMGosawhETcVERGywv8bznkcUqsFMVJRj38vfpRmFbqCzO4eH5WBVT9BY9CRrcKi RWazgYIJYxshnGDpNI9FDDzYwOS9hvZ48kvSo1oGnYS8YZjYJJrFd7zMloeDsZpI2fkT N3HwEHerucAfNSJuzMW6wN7kIMwHAW7e2wBkArmcw1bFdid/1nxR0QqJHLRsspbmlJhn ZvQmVPS3ImrXXm1IlMtD0/9VmJp42JU62bYyYlT1Xs8XGxAEO1pBw2QuXHpEcJi+lVae 4NX3/YfUgFlrcFSlUYtWU5W1aoFA/iID1TTZaQ6TRsa8EYyaUjXD4YWXQIcvbC7tGma0 9mcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vQby6Mamw73BD1h1oK/HAV0tLoARcgw1Q16VMG1ax4c=; b=E5s0mG2I0Rggy7Bpv7nx7UCvxuoK8srCZYtoD6ifrKESCW+mzxEb1LTqxvsGzdEJAf BpzvF+oprSQLbujlUt2H7idjLlvxmPC38rq0b1I9TejmHuObg4qBGD9UbBekw0q+4NUq 5jyC6ZERPiOwTZJbeuWhsx0OYKAIO99u3M4IPilT22JW1UaJHO22fmc6NTXLQMnK507u Hk6YsvtH+qYvRF3QXPdOlRYm+YuCy5BSG26G3DXDGaQ2gNYyzeSgx6xzy922O37uW2lh g9ourbDpdGliBHJs1jmQqaqFMtVpOk6BahKGscTWiP2EBaDAgLJi97sZNF+oRnd/bOHD VcWA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLwmaCWz0ubsLYtjwc79SKKrJ9Q5ThPageN0Jb0YE8puVPZLcpwJIH1u72rcmsxl/WmyMO+6CpecVNmWA== X-Received: by 10.159.33.248 with SMTP id 111mr8600871uac.99.1468272589171; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:29:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.37.104 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:29:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <578112A5.8050702@cs.tcd.ie> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:29:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "manycouches@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:29:51 -0000 Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. Dan sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. > > Deborah > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Moriarty > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM > To: Robert Sparks > Cc: manycouches@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? > > I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security > item to the agenda. > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. >> >> >> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> Hiya, >> >> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. >> >> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. >> >> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >> >> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but >> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. >> >> S. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Manycouches mailing list >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Manycouches mailing list >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Mon Jul 11 22:11:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B33612B01D for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:11:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2r8Nr2yoQiH5 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usplmg20.ericsson.net (usplmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FE04128B44 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:11:07 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79886d000002334-69-57847104e781 Received: from EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.84]) by usplmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 2F.E5.09012.40174875; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 06:24:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB107.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.124]) by EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:11:05 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan To: Robert Sparks , "manycouches@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? 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X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:21:52 -0000 Hi Kathleen, The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. Dan sen= t a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. Deborah -----Original Message----- From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kathle= en Moriarty Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM To: Robert Sparks Cc: manycouches@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security item to the agenda. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote= : > I'll miss due to IAB stuff. > > > On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. > > We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. > > Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is > fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). > > When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but > likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. > > S. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > --=20 Best regards, Kathleen _______________________________________________ Manycouches mailing list Manycouches@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches From nobody Tue Jul 12 08:44:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A3012D8C3 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:44:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dpO-NNv0-m_r for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x234.google.com (mail-qt0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5112E12B061 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x234.google.com with SMTP id 52so10070230qtq.3 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:35:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RHo16OIhHqkL5VQZLwRTF70F14QwQSoSZA78BqTfg1A=; b=iaI9qEt282U1MwGPOKqU2IPSN2iYow/yR4xVUfn1AdM+Gf71r3sOJXzlja9YpYf7Wf ncZth6R3cft708s/iWAlInHer+vIn0t+EZE+eO4bTzPdobUtqXk0cz9uHjosdOlGRfkk 7lhq7bUOVVj6MVcf8urXa89dWQVXA36IjhfGG8eqCQZsTyMhRyNOsjOG0lsVf/NnM0ks 75vDXBIlKxXE1ZdrIPn5fwHrpuvJ1sMfqrQOmlR7Iz2Kxr4LdRcz+YKc78MwwqmYc4+9 fdSRosBJ1DqB3y5MR8cUjqOZrEhw6BttwjuaFZ1wRKlkyDRYFTzkxmxQKL3v1vO/hPik KSgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RHo16OIhHqkL5VQZLwRTF70F14QwQSoSZA78BqTfg1A=; b=YciCBY4jB5AtBQfXjovgmEpUk5NkGsr4zDfS7ayDhyZqoC8hQq9YipT1ygHz5lxq4d 1/oiaK1dVGJkP1zW4xoJVCYVqsFfIhQm/dajdy9Y14K4T6z5uzN8tXPhsQ9oRU8rCobF /QvJGUr2HB2IEqMnyOipb4phMXZ93MH5OiveTksjspS+VgI52AP4YAeWhFakHxc3yWar yBf8XG1GKQIv9njNYlUi+HBeOe+pgeNCvk2e5fSP6dwNd0EYsFgF0OiLDcl4aKxqFKBq M8fj6gZBmbZ/bZkzz5yGyq9B+V9RCfib97fXGrdlUH8fjgV1TUZNJeRGpyvDL0tmpI/v fAKA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJSHxBidMYcFBRXf06f5mENau8cxcDlM3krNZzI4a3SmQvhbE9a22FqMq2ONjDS4Dn9v2ChZ2RMlkJ05A== X-Received: by 10.237.34.44 with SMTP id n41mr4509914qtc.25.1468337756489; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:35:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:35:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <578112A5.8050702@cs.tcd.ie> From: Alia Atlas Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:35:55 -0400 Message-ID: To: Kathleen Moriarty Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135761a62cc9605377206aa Archived-At: Cc: Robert Sparks , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "manycouches@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:08 -0000 --001a1135761a62cc9605377206aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time that can work? On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A > wrote: > > Hi Kathleen, > > > > The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. Dan > sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. > > > > Deborah > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Kathleen Moriarty > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM > > To: Robert Sparks > > Cc: manycouches@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? > > > > I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security > > item to the agenda. > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks > wrote: > >> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. > >> > >> > >> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > >> > >> Hiya, > >> > >> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. > >> > >> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. > >> > >> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is > >> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). > >> > >> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but > >> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. > >> > >> S. > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Manycouches mailing list > >> Manycouches@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Manycouches mailing list > >> Manycouches@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, > > Kathleen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Manycouches mailing list > > Manycouches@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > --001a1135761a62cc9605377206aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is ther= e another time that can work?


On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen = Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> w= rote:
Thank you, Deborah!=C2=A0 I missed = that.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com> wrote:
> Hi Kathleen,
>
> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. Da= n sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it.
>
> Deborah
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Moriarty
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM
> To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks= @nostrum.com>
> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast?
>
> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security > item to the agenda.
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff.
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin.
>>
>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think.
>>
>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is
>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex).
>>
>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but
>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room.
>>
>> S.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Manycouches mailing list
>> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/man= ycouches
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Manycouches mailing list
>> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/man= ycouches
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Manycouches mailing list
> Manycouches@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouc= hes



--

Best regards,
Kathleen

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X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:57:02 -0000 What if we did Wednesday lunch? The conflict would be the WG chairs lunch. On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Alia Atlas wrote: > Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time that > can work? > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty > wrote: >> >> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A >> wrote: >> > Hi Kathleen, >> > >> > The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. Dan >> > sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. >> > >> > Deborah >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> > Kathleen Moriarty >> > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM >> > To: Robert Sparks >> > Cc: manycouches@ietf.org >> > Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >> > >> > I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security >> > item to the agenda. >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks >> > wrote: >> >> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> >> >> Hiya, >> >> >> >> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. >> >> >> >> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. >> >> >> >> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >> >> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >> >> >> >> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but >> >> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. >> >> >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Manycouches mailing list >> >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Manycouches mailing list >> >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Kathleen >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Manycouches mailing list >> > Manycouches@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> Kathleen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Manycouches mailing list >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Tue Jul 12 09:06:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187CB12D16C for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8MTTz3oHd4N7 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x229.google.com (mail-qk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4211912D13E for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x229.google.com with SMTP id p74so18197799qka.0 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:06:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UD5Oi0aA+4XywqXKiFt1h6FTtogM6u8s77JDimg7eRs=; b=sCVWoP3SScyzV+w1VNwTEYiYP6WpEnAxmalb4yEDTsAFW7BBjepFYJa9pEoJH+m2+N PnypSdw6hdSYz915SADGgseuW1yCP3MqS0CR3dupOiuDeNJV/wk9unTTgzbCQFqHIfZB t0xWge/6KuD96hC01R9v/lS67ky5EPvkh7ucVEuHyysBGcHIGestnSErRKan7e7tGwpR kv8Kdsqnhcwf9MwiWq5mzPhg48YGNQbx0r53VsHxShWVK9KI0mv4CbBmoZEdXDHcNOmv hYKx18sfJJzxdP+y+5sH3qoc6XoM/hrwVej2OcrKUfvR+Yq1JoLs4QxSx8zoOwvT1HpU 8I2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UD5Oi0aA+4XywqXKiFt1h6FTtogM6u8s77JDimg7eRs=; b=mYACueICR5QqvuA0HFUsXhl7JjyK6q4E/WHT2n9JboRPAKQ/yEJjioVHv4dKjwax5N R7ARHZUj0tlh9uIAQSWONIu0vpqz0uXjIgqJFCwLy77LDGByisglXJDUs//5tyCPGyUw 8rL+8nt7NP3D5Ehz4dRNqQBuRJFfxN8L/8pMgNJy+lQZlWGCMzSlx8a4SlvpH32d6yIS oIkoC0Ym2BgfDg2ebYLhEHO2KlMBvcAga37G5Lb/tjYw4mJfS6N7UiIZkTLpgFF5FmOG HJztITEplUdcfWGOU5EvrsY2PDjzT95Yoqa0bM6LSaKJAKBIJ0eC3wx9sY8QIa+z+5I6 HGog== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLGfozyI7L4jvAbJYG0PRGnAy+rxoy6UK1W7qO7pIpnwy+BLC3xivkQB/25CUlQgmmc19uu9WqW3VJ5Vg== X-Received: by 10.55.160.211 with SMTP id j202mr3904729qke.108.1468339601429; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:06:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:06:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <578112A5.8050702@cs.tcd.ie> From: Alia Atlas Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:06:40 -0400 Message-ID: To: Kathleen Moriarty Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114fadec5a5d5f05377274e6 Archived-At: Cc: Robert Sparks , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "manycouches@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:06:44 -0000 --001a114fadec5a5d5f05377274e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Kathleen Moriarty < kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > What if we did Wednesday lunch? The conflict would be the WG chairs lunch. They changed the format last IETF to be discussion and are doing something similar this time again. It felt much more useful and I would really like to attend the WG Chairs lunch. However, that doesn't have to block this group from meeting... Regards, Alia > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time that > > can work? > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty > > wrote: > >> > >> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A > >> wrote: > >> > Hi Kathleen, > >> > > >> > The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. > Dan > >> > sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. > >> > > >> > Deborah > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > >> > Kathleen Moriarty > >> > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM > >> > To: Robert Sparks > >> > Cc: manycouches@ietf.org > >> > Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? > >> > > >> > I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security > >> > item to the agenda. > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks > >> > wrote: > >> >> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hiya, > >> >> > >> >> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. > >> >> > >> >> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. > >> >> > >> >> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is > >> >> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). > >> >> > >> >> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but > >> >> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. > >> >> > >> >> S. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Manycouches mailing list > >> >> Manycouches@ietf.org > >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Manycouches mailing list > >> >> Manycouches@ietf.org > >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Best regards, > >> > Kathleen > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Manycouches mailing list > >> > Manycouches@ietf.org > >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Kathleen > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Manycouches mailing list > >> Manycouches@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen > --001a114fadec5a5d5f05377274e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= ue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.m= oriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
What if we did Wednesday lunch?=C2=A0 The conflict would be the WG chai= rs lunch.

They changed the format last IETF= to be discussion and are doing something similar this time
again= .=C2=A0 It felt much more useful and I would really like to attend the WG C= hairs lunch.
However, that doesn't have to block this group f= rom meeting...

Regards,
Alia=C2=A0
=

=C2=A0
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another ti= me that
> can work?
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty
> <kathleen.moria= rty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Deborah!=C2=A0 I missed that.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Kathleen,
>> >
>> > The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday mo= rning. Dan
>> > sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it.
>> >
>> > Deborah
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> > Kathleen Moriarty
>> > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM
>> > To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>> > Cc: manycouches@ietf.= org
>> > Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast?=
>> >
>> > I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a s= ecurity
>> > item to the agenda.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> I'll miss due to IAB stuff.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hiya,
>> >>
>> >> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin.
>> >>
>> >> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think.=
>> >>
>> >> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >> >> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex).
>> >>
>> >> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing= , but
>> >> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room.
>> >>
>> >> S.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Manycouches mailing list
>> >> Manycouches@ietf.= org
>> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list= info/manycouches
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Manycouches mailing list
>> >> Manycouches@ietf.= org
>> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list= info/manycouches
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Kathleen
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Manycouches mailing list
>> > Manycouches@ietf.org<= /a>
>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo= /manycouches
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Kathleen
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Manycouches mailing list
>> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/man= ycouches
>
>



--

Best regards,
Kathleen

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X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:46:44 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010406020901020405070007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote: > Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time th= at > can work? Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make it some can and calendars are now full or filling. I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all. That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just not sure there is a better one. S >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < > kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 >> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A >> wrote: >>> Hi Kathleen, >>> >>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. D= an >> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. >>> >>> Deborah >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> Kathleen Moriarty >>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM >>> To: Robert Sparks >>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >>> >>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security >>> item to the agenda. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks = >> wrote: >>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >>>> >>>> Hiya, >>>> >>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. >>>> >>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. >>>> >>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >>>> >>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but >>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Kathleen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Manycouches mailing list >>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> Kathleen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Manycouches mailing list >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >=20 >=20 >=20 > 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X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:40:52 -0000 I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunches ar= e challenging with other meetings already planned.=20 -- Dan York york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 skype:danyork http://twitter.com/danyork > On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote: >> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time tha= t >> can work? >=20 > Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make > it some can and calendars are now full or filling. >=20 > I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all. >=20 > That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just > not sure there is a better one. >=20 > S >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < >> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>=20 >>> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A >>> wrote: >>>> Hi Kathleen, >>>>=20 >>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. Da= n >>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. >>>>=20 >>>> Deborah >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >>> Kathleen Moriarty >>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM >>>> To: Robert Sparks >>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >>>>=20 >>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security >>>> item to the agenda. >>>>=20 >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks >>> wrote: >>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hiya, >>>>>=20 >>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. >>>>>=20 >>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >>>>>=20 >>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but >>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. >>>>>=20 >>>>> S. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>>=20 >>>> Best regards, >>>> Kathleen >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>>=20 >>> Best regards, >>> Kathleen >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Manycouches mailing list >>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Manycouches mailing list >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches From nobody Tue Jul 12 16:46:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B7B12DAEC for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:46:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TZLDdY3gFiVW for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x22a.google.com (mail-qt0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4A5D12D7BC for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id w38so17160077qtb.0 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:46:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uCPtEj/FuwcSw9gigBvtH1swMVAwLmvv4bNgsCac1/I=; b=yNe/HRqhoRdEQ7tpUa5k4wXDTzQf44st+ODRdcTRkfaXwesUtbkrunAMs5DKu6dvSZ 5NXqupLcoCSmQs+HJNipK83YF6klsWINmmroBjXSO5r+xVnpUP0MOuRqVnHGfrOsBH9P sClj4nHEmi4P1hzI1XECwIoxbMrjb4LRyeAb1CL5pYHIL5/opQ+CpMN06bH2Q5v5Hnoa fZ+96CNa/X38tzWPJKzilVW9tGXt6ixSX2C68WpGD/HoHP1KZmECbpUDgpRhmJ77Nwuc +yFbkMJlvfMBkc51ckrqsgzkSuBNdNXepAmdRZKy0jCIe2gd1SD+rFl/SVIrYT1NG1E8 ya/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uCPtEj/FuwcSw9gigBvtH1swMVAwLmvv4bNgsCac1/I=; b=HEDANUrjIPJhvkEFKobkeH1koAAJkP7+X09AZFnkmp0P4rqvO2w7Ngs/iz6OaIup0h fUIjTTaVCb/vhvuSHGjWtAjHizdcU1kKd2ANVWBVpqGEatRaWBt9lL3y1Ag9C46Q/fgq B7m+yOE9prPzjDkjDyTQRlUJ8JLHVElyKnsVHAaAY9ZBdCdcMLmRuhVFNxwvaJxvfK/K gtNiqFgF4wwicxUummeMA7l2p+sNJtIDg4NfYIKuTH8eA/7sFTxRJHcca0FfR25MXzE0 GXiVNPuzYysW/NFr5oNuGrYO0K7UYRm1xxMmrE+WCIl90j8ay79K+SOA8or7d2r9ZBV1 eAZw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJtf+4FCe/n5jJnjlc4rscQfEYv5qd/qa4CI08TBdSzDVoGdw7TT3yvuyVSi7tqkJnuY9WVO/ept4ZNQw== X-Received: by 10.237.49.130 with SMTP id 2mr7787626qth.38.1468367166020; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:46:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:46:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46B0671B-B4DB-411D-849E-D1DF5F5BBCAE@isoc.org> References: <578112A5.8050702@cs.tcd.ie> <5785734C.1080802@cs.tcd.ie> <46B0671B-B4DB-411D-849E-D1DF5F5BBCAE@isoc.org> From: Alia Atlas Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:46:05 -0400 Message-ID: To: Dan York Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0b66de54adde053778df3a Archived-At: Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , "manycouches@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , Stephen Farrell Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:46:08 -0000 --94eb2c0b66de54adde053778df3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 How is Monday evening? On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York wrote: > I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunches > are challenging with other meetings already planned. > > -- > Dan York > york@isoc.org > +1-802-735-1624 > skype:danyork > http://twitter.com/danyork > > > On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: > > > > > > > >> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote: > >> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time > that > >> can work? > > > > Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make > > it some can and calendars are now full or filling. > > > > I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all. > > > > That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just > > not sure there is a better one. > > > > S > > > > > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < > >> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A > >>> wrote: > >>>> Hi Kathleen, > >>>> > >>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. > Dan > >>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. > >>>> > >>>> Deborah > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > >>> Kathleen Moriarty > >>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM > >>>> To: Robert Sparks > >>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? > >>>> > >>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security > >>>> item to the agenda. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks > >>> wrote: > >>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hiya, > >>>>> > >>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. > >>>>> > >>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. > >>>>> > >>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is > >>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). > >>>>> > >>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but > >>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. > >>>>> > >>>>> S. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Manycouches mailing list > >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Manycouches mailing list > >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Kathleen > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Manycouches mailing list > >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Kathleen > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Manycouches mailing list > >>> Manycouches@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Manycouches mailing list > >> Manycouches@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Manycouches mailing list > > Manycouches@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > --94eb2c0b66de54adde053778df3a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How is Monday evening?
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York <york@is= oc.org> wrote:
I *can* meet= Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunches are challengin= g with other meetings already planned.

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> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote:
>> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there anothe= r time that
>> can work?
>
> Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't= make
> it some can and calendars are now full or filling.
>
> I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all= .
>
> That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'= ;m just
> not sure there is a better one.
>
> S
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <
>> kathleen.moria= rty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Deborah!=C2=A0 I missed that.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Kathleen,
>>>>
>>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday= morning. Dan
>>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it.
>>>>
>>>> Deborah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Kathleen Moriarty
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM
>>>> To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>>> Cc: manycouches@ie= tf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfa= st?
>>>>
>>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding = a security
>>>> item to the agenda.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiya,
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin.<= br> >>>>>
>>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I thi= nk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is=
>>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >>>>>
>>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send tim= ing, but
>>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room.<= br> >>>>>
>>>>> S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> Manycouches@ie= tf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/l= istinfo/manycouches
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Kathleen
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Kathleen
>>>
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X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:45:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail-90E5C533-B406-4B28-ACD4-366EFAF030A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 > What about Thursday breakfast? >=20 This could work for me. >> On July 12, 2016 7:46:45 PM Alia Atlas wrote: >>=20 >> How is Monday evening? >>=20 >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York wrote: >>> I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunches= are challenging with other meetings already planned. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Dan York >>> york@isoc.org >>> +1-802-735-1624 >>> skype:danyork >>> http://twitter.com/danyork >>>=20 >>> > On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote: >>> >> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time t= hat >>> >> can work? >>> > >>> > Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make >>> > it some can and calendars are now full or filling. >>> > >>> > I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all. >>> > >>> > That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just >>> > not sure there is a better one. >>> > >>> > S >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < >>> >> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Kathleen, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning.= Dan >>> >>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Deborah >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf O= f >>> >>> Kathleen Moriarty >>> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM >>> >>>> To: Robert Sparks >>> >>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a securit= y >>> >>>> item to the agenda. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Hiya, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >>> >>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but >>> >>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> S. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>> >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>> >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Best regards, >>> >>>> Kathleen >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> Manycouches mailing list >>> >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Kathleen >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Manycouches mailing list >>> >>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Manycouches mailing list >>> >> Manycouches@ietf.org >>> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Manycouches mailing list >>> > Manycouches@ietf.org >>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Manycouches mailing list >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches --Apple-Mail-90E5C533-B406-4B28-ACD4-366EFAF030A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


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On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

What about Thursday breakfast?


This could work for me.

On July 12, 2016 7:46:45 PM Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

How is Monday evening?

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York <york@isoc.org> wrote:
I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunches are challenging with other meetings already planned.

--
Dan York
york@isoc.org
+1-802-735-1624
skype:danyork
http://twitter.com/danyork

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote:
>> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time that
>> can work?
>
> Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make
> it some can and calendars are now full or filling.
>
> I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all.
>
> That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just
> not sure there is a better one.
>
> S
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <
>> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Deborah!  I missed that.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Kathleen,
>>>>
>>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. Dan
>>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it.
>>>>
>>>> Deborah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Kathleen Moriarty
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM
>>>> To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast?
>>>>
>>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security
>>>> item to the agenda.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiya,
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is
>>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex).
>>>>>
>>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but
>>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room.
>>>>>
>>>>> S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Kathleen
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Kathleen
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Manycouches mailing list
>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>
> _______________________________________________
> Manycouches mailing list
> Manycouches@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches

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please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 172.58.185.53 X-Exim-ID: 1bN8Aj-0008J9-KN X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.0.0.4]) [172.58.185.53]:48223 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: Stephen Farrell , Kathleen Moriarty , Robert Sparks , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , manycouches@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:37:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------155e1af7828bd628184351fa30 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What about Thursday breakfast? On July 12, 2016 7:46:45 PM Alia Atlas wrote: > How is Monday evening? > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York wrote: > >> I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunches >> are challenging with other meetings already planned. >> >> -- >> Dan York >> york@isoc.org >> +1-802-735-1624 >> skype:danyork >> http://twitter.com/danyork >> >> > On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote: >> >> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time >> that >> >> can work? >> > >> > Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make >> > it some can and calendars are now full or filling. >> > >> > I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all. >> > >> > That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just >> > not sure there is a better one. >> > >> > S >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < >> >> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> Hi Kathleen, >> >>>> >> >>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. >> Dan >> >>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. >> >>>> >> >>>> Deborah >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> >>> Kathleen Moriarty >> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM >> >>>> To: Robert Sparks >> >>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org >> >>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >> >>>> >> >>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security >> >>>> item to the agenda. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks >> >>> wrote: >> >>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hiya, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >> >>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but >> >>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> S. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Manycouches mailing list >> >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Manycouches mailing list >> >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> >> >>>> Best regards, >> >>>> Kathleen >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Manycouches mailing list >> >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> Best regards, >> >>> Kathleen >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Manycouches mailing list >> >>> Manycouches@ietf.org >> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Manycouches mailing list >> >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Manycouches mailing list >> > Manycouches@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> > > > > ---------- > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > ------------155e1af7828bd628184351fa30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

What about Thursday breakfast?

On July 12, 2016 7:46:45 PM Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

How is Monday evening?

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York <york@isoc.org> wrote:
I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunches are challenging with other meetings already planned.

--
Dan York
york@isoc.org
+1-802-735-1624
skype:danyork
http://twitter.com/danyork

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote:
>> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time that
>> can work?
>
> Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make
> it some can and calendars are now full or filling.
>
> I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all.
>
> That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just
> not sure there is a better one.
>
> S
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <
>> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Deborah!  I missed that.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Kathleen,
>>>>
>>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. Dan
>>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it.
>>>>
>>>> Deborah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Kathleen Moriarty
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM
>>>> To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast?
>>>>
>>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security
>>>> item to the agenda.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiya,
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is
>>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex).
>>>>>
>>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but
>>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room.
>>>>>
>>>>> S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Kathleen
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Kathleen
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Manycouches mailing list
>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>
> _______________________________________________
> Manycouches mailing list
> Manycouches@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches

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From: Alia Atlas Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0546e82bc89005378bce5d Archived-At: Cc: Dan York , "manycouches@ietf.org" , Kathleen Moriarty , Robert Sparks , Lou Berger , Stephen Farrell Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? Doodle time X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:21:26 -0000 --94eb2c0546e82bc89005378bce5d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for taking the initiative :-) I think we're up to 4 respondees.... On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:43 AM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: > Knowing Stephen is trying to have vacation with his family and so he > doesn=E2=80=99t end up being divorced of family because of us, I=E2=80=99= ve set up a > Doodle. I=E2=80=99m thinking we don=E2=80=99t necessarily need a 3-hour d= inner, I put > different choices, e.g. 1-hour Bar (we probably can find a room to meet) = or > dinner. I selected no time zone as then could have text in the slots (so > it=E2=80=99s Berlin time). > > > > http://doodle.com/poll/yaqybvz6ymqggikp > > > > Stephen as commander in chief on our activity, looking to you to make the > call for best time based on whom you think would be good to be present. A= s > we noted at the IESG retreat, it wasn=E2=80=99t considered necessary for = ADs to be > =E2=80=9Cactively=E2=80=9D present at all times. > > > > Deborah > > > > > > *From:* Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:37 PM > *To:* Alia Atlas ; Dan York > *Cc:* Kathleen Moriarty ; > manycouches@ietf.org; Robert Sparks ; BRUNGARD, > DEBORAH A ; Stephen Farrell > *Subject:* Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? > > > > What about Thursday breakfast? > > On July 12, 2016 7:46:45 PM Alia Atlas wrote: > > How is Monday evening? > > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York wrote: > > I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunches > are challenging with other meetings already planned. > > -- > Dan York > york@isoc.org > +1-802-735-1624 > skype:danyork > http://twitter.com/danyork > > > > On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: > > > > > > > >> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote: > >> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time > that > >> can work? > > > > Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make > > it some can and calendars are now full or filling. > > > > I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all. > > > > That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just > > not sure there is a better one. > > > > S > > > > > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < > >> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A > >>> wrote: > >>>> Hi Kathleen, > >>>> > >>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. > Dan > >>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. > >>>> > >>>> Deborah > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > >>> Kathleen Moriarty > >>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM > >>>> To: Robert Sparks > >>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? > >>>> > >>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security > >>>> item to the agenda. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks > >>> wrote: > >>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hiya, > >>>>> > >>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. > >>>>> > >>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. > >>>>> > >>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is > >>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). > >>>>> > >>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but > >>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. > >>>>> > >>>>> S. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Manycouches mailing list > >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Manycouches mailing list > >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Kathleen > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Manycouches mailing list > >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Kathleen > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Manycouches mailing list > >>> Manycouches@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Manycouches mailing list > >> Manycouches@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Manycouches mailing list > > Manycouches@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > --94eb2c0546e82bc89005378bce5d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for taking the initiative :-)
I think we're= up to 4 respondees....

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:43 AM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db35= 46@att.com> wrote:

Knowing Stephen is trying to have vac= ation with his family and so he doesn=E2=80=99t end up being divorced of fa= mily because of us, I=E2=80=99ve set up a Doodle. I=E2=80=99m thinking we don=E2=80=99t necessarily need a 3-hour dinner, I put different choices= , e.g. 1-hour Bar (we probably can find a room to meet) or dinner. I select= ed no time zone as then could have text in the slots (so it=E2=80=99s Berli= n time).

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http://doodle.com/poll/yaqybvz6ymqggikp

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Stephen as commander in chief on our = activity, looking to you to make the call for best time based on whom you t= hink would be good to be present. As we noted at the IESG retreat, it wasn=E2=80=99t considered necessary for ADs to be = =E2=80=9Cactively=E2=80=9D present at all times.

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Deborah

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From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:37 PM
To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>; Dan York <york@isoc.org>
Cc: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>; manycouches@ietf.org; Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com>; Stephen Farrell= <stephen= .farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast?=

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What about Thursday breakfast?

On July 12, 2016 7:46:45 PM Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

How is Monday evening?

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On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at = 7:40 PM, Dan York <yo= rk@isoc.org> wrote:

I *can* meet Wednesday m= orning, but am also open to other times. Lunches are challenging with other= meetings already planned.

--
Dan York
york@isoc.org
+1-802-735-1624
skype:danyork
http://twitter.com= /danyork


> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>= wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote:
>> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there anothe= r time that
>> can work?
>
> Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't= make
> it some can and calendars are now full or filling.
>
> I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all= .
>
> That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'= ;m just
> not sure there is a better one.
>
> S
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <
>> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Deborah!=C2=A0 I missed that.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Kathleen,
>>>>
>>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday= morning. Dan
>>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it.
>>>>
>>>> Deborah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Beha= lf Of
>>> Kathleen Moriarty
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM
>>>> To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfa= st?
>>>>
>>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding = a security
>>>> item to the agenda.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com= >
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiya,
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin.<= br> >>>>>
>>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I thi= nk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is=
>>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >>>>>
>>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send tim= ing, but
>>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room.<= br> >>>>>
>>>>> S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Kathleen
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>>> = Manycouches@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Kathleen
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Manycouches mailing list
>>> Many= couches@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Manycouches mailing list
>> Manycouc= hes@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>
> _______________________________________________
> Manycouches mailing list
> Manycouches@= ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches=

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--94eb2c0546e82bc89005378bce5d-- From nobody Fri Jul 15 09:45:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64EB12D180 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:45:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dOYhkvz3S3Qg for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 873B812D0DF for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40962BE2C; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:45:41 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PjArwUTE8zRS; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:45:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from [31.133.141.42] (dhcp-8d2a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.141.42]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 249B9BE3F; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:45:38 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1468601138; bh=E5pzR2S6s7n5H785HCW/hqM0Lw+A8WmbMJjuohyaOnI=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=zkAez3IORDCnvCpdo6FKFVxIMa4X0YOl6TMmtS2aeRIgYTdzj0UpIiRavE+WmLVX3 IpvJfuiIcQKNPl1eICfsCGTLwTldM3elbA6mmCkbHtFEIKzZApNi1tdfSmFajJm+1p pMwR9zhqlT3MFj/rZjBsy6fSRGPxsrpYV3ttOAIs= To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , Lou Berger , Alia Atlas , Dan York References: From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <57891331.4060701@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:45:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms020302060709090306090202" Archived-At: Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , "manycouches@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? Doodle time X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:45:45 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020302060709090306090202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As of now I see 7 for a chat on Sunday @ 7pm and six for the original date. I'd suggest we stick with the original Wed breakfast slow as that'll give us time to chat even less formally between now and then and maybe to involve some other folks in the discussion. S On 13/07/16 16:43, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: > Knowing Stephen is trying to have vacation with his family and so he do= esn=E2=80=99t end up being divorced of family because of us, I=E2=80=99ve= set up a Doodle. I=E2=80=99m thinking we don=E2=80=99t necessarily need = a 3-hour dinner, I put different choices, e.g. 1-hour Bar (we probably ca= n find a room to meet) or dinner. I selected no time zone as then could h= ave text in the slots (so it=E2=80=99s Berlin time). >=20 > http://doodle.com/poll/yaqybvz6ymqggikp >=20 > Stephen as commander in chief on our activity, looking to you to make t= he call for best time based on whom you think would be good to be present= =2E As we noted at the IESG retreat, it wasn=E2=80=99t considered necessa= ry for ADs to be =E2=80=9Cactively=E2=80=9D present at all times. >=20 > Deborah >=20 >=20 > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:37 PM > To: Alia Atlas ; Dan York > Cc: Kathleen Moriarty ; manycouches@i= etf.org; Robert Sparks ; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A ; Stephen Farrell > Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >=20 >=20 > What about Thursday breakfast? >=20 > On July 12, 2016 7:46:45 PM Alia Atlas > wrote: > How is Monday evening? >=20 > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York > wrote: > I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunche= s are challenging with other meetings already planned. >=20 > -- > Dan York > york@isoc.org > +1-802-735-1624 > skype:danyork > http://twitter.com/danyork >=20 >> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote: >>> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time = that >>> can work? >> >> Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make >> it some can and calendars are now full or filling. >> >> I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all. >> >> That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just >> not sure there is a better one. >> >> S >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < >>> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A > >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi Kathleen, >>>>> >>>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning.= Dan >>>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. >>>>> >>>>> Deborah >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Kathleen Moriarty >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM >>>>> To: Robert Sparks > >>>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >>>>> >>>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a securit= y >>>>> item to the agenda. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks > >>>> wrote: >>>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hiya, >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. >>>>>> >>>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >>>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >>>>>> >>>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but >>>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. >>>>>> >>>>>> S. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Kathleen >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Kathleen >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>> 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(Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bO6JD-0004Na-68; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:49:51 -0600 To: Stephen Farrell , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , Alia Atlas , Dan York References: <57891331.4060701@cs.tcd.ie> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <328d83b8-fd46-7bfa-36d6-ca1738689971@labn.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:49:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57891331.4060701@cs.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 69.89.31.113 X-Exim-ID: 1bO6JD-0004Na-68 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: box313.bluehost.com ([127.0.0.1]) [69.89.31.113]:34099 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , "manycouches@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? Doodle time X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:50:04 -0000 Sorry, I thought I had responded to this earlier -- too many doodles. I can make Sunday or Thursday, but not Wed. Lou On 7/15/2016 12:45 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > As of now I see 7 for a chat on Sunday @ 7pm and six > for the original date. I'd suggest we stick with the > original Wed breakfast slow as that'll give us time to > chat even less formally between now and then and maybe > to involve some other folks in the discussion. > > S > > On 13/07/16 16:43, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: >> Knowing Stephen is trying to have vacation with his family and so he doesn’t end up being divorced of family because of us, I’ve set up a Doodle. I’m thinking we don’t necessarily need a 3-hour dinner, I put different choices, e.g. 1-hour Bar (we probably can find a room to meet) or dinner. I selected no time zone as then could have text in the slots (so it’s Berlin time). >> >> http://doodle.com/poll/yaqybvz6ymqggikp >> >> Stephen as commander in chief on our activity, looking to you to make the call for best time based on whom you think would be good to be present. As we noted at the IESG retreat, it wasn’t considered necessary for ADs to be “actively” present at all times. >> >> Deborah >> >> >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:37 PM >> To: Alia Atlas ; Dan York >> Cc: Kathleen Moriarty ; manycouches@ietf.org; Robert Sparks ; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A ; Stephen Farrell >> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >> >> >> What about Thursday breakfast? >> >> On July 12, 2016 7:46:45 PM Alia Atlas > wrote: >> How is Monday evening? >> >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York > wrote: >> I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunches are challenging with other meetings already planned. >> >> -- >> Dan York >> york@isoc.org >> +1-802-735-1624 >> skype:danyork >> http://twitter.com/danyork >> >>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote: >>>> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time that >>>> can work? >>> Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make >>> it some can and calendars are now full or filling. >>> >>> I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all. >>> >>> That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just >>> not sure there is a better one. >>> >>> S >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < >>>> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Kathleen, >>>>>> >>>>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. Dan >>>>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. >>>>>> Deborah >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Kathleen Moriarty >>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM >>>>>> To: Robert Sparks > >>>>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security >>>>>> item to the agenda. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hiya, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >>>>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but >>>>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Kathleen >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Kathleen >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Manycouches mailing list >>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> _______________________________________________ >> Manycouches mailing list >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Manycouches mailing list >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> From nobody Fri Jul 15 14:42:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ECD12DA8E for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:42:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pKi6i1eFjX3L for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usplmg21.ericsson.net (usplmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E96F12D921 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f796f6d000000e1e-f5-5789588809fd Received: from EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.93]) by usplmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 79.B9.03614.88859875; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:41:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB107.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.124]) by EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.93]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:42:35 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan To: Stephen Farrell , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , Lou Berger , Alia Atlas , Dan York Thread-Topic: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? Doodle time Thread-Index: AdHdHU6WOak+k3IxTmanncs9bLG4aw== Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 21:42:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <57891331.4060701@cs.tcd.ie> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.9] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrGIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPrG5HRGe4waZpshafHl5itrjc1c1u 0bAz36Kj+S2LxcoHN5ktrs1pZLOYvvcau8XTprXMDhweL/vnMHqs7b7K5rFz1l12jyVLfjJ5 vJrWyOrxYVMzm8esnU9YAtijuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDL27L3DWnDeouJvl1MD4zqDLkZODgkB E4mjB96zQdhiEhfurQezhQSOMkr867DrYuQCspczShy/dZ0FJMEG1LBh52cmkISIwBZGids7 97CCOMwCExklps+7yQxSJSzgKXH+9yNWEFtEwEvib9cnJghbT+LyzefsIDaLgKrElas7wep5 BXwlNn96wwSxukLiZMMnsG2MQCd9P7UGLM4sIC5x68l8JohTBSSW7DnPDGGLSrx8/I8VwlaU 2Nc/nR2i3kDi/bn5zBC2tsSyha+hdglKnJz5hGUCo+gsJGNnIWmZhaRlFpKWBYwsqxg5SosL cnLTjQw3MQJj75gEm+MOxr29nocYBTgYlXh4FS63hwuxJpYVV+YeYpTgYFYS4b0S1hkuxJuS WFmVWpQfX1Sak1p8iFGag0VJnFf/pWK4kEB6YklqdmpqQWoRTJaJg1OqgXGKm3bt50ix11Nt T96fdT+ow92gJivk89rUfRNkl29dw+P31nvN7dms3/NeNxt7LnMTf7zR+7vfeZ8dH6LLX0Sc 4299Y+fKdX7BruVW4rvmbGh6uM7xXJ7M4rys5v8WCxZOdnb4e/Lcnq0mfyQvPzyauihd7u7V N3OEGxYFTqsMehT+vVW3/UKhEktxRqKhFnNRcSIA6K9unbkCAAA= Archived-At: Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , Robert Sparks , "manycouches@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? Doodle time X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 21:42:40 -0000 Hi Stephen,=0A= I have checked the IAB agenda and I can make this meeting on Wednesday = =0A= morning.=0A= =0A= Thanks=0A= Suresh=0A= =0A= On 07/15/2016 12:45 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:=0A= >=0A= > As of now I see 7 for a chat on Sunday @ 7pm and six=0A= > for the original date. I'd suggest we stick with the=0A= > original Wed breakfast slow as that'll give us time to=0A= > chat even less formally between now and then and maybe=0A= > to involve some other folks in the discussion.=0A= >=0A= > S=0A= >=0A= > On 13/07/16 16:43, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote:=0A= >> Knowing Stephen is trying to have vacation with his family and so he doe= sn=92t end up being divorced of family because of us, I=92ve set up a Doodl= e. I=92m thinking we don=92t necessarily need a 3-hour dinner, I put differ= ent choices, e.g. 1-hour Bar (we probably can find a room to meet) or dinne= r. I selected no time zone as then could have text in the slots (so it=92s = Berlin time).=0A= >>=0A= >> http://doodle.com/poll/yaqybvz6ymqggikp=0A= >>=0A= >> Stephen as commander in chief on our activity, looking to you to make th= e call for best time based on whom you think would be good to be present. A= s we noted at the IESG retreat, it wasn=92t considered necessary for ADs to= be =93actively=94 present at all times.=0A= >>=0A= >> Deborah=0A= >>=0A= >>=0A= >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]=0A= >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:37 PM=0A= >> To: Alia Atlas ; Dan York =0A= >> Cc: Kathleen Moriarty ; manycouches@ie= tf.org; Robert Sparks ; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A ; Stephen Farrell =0A= >> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast?=0A= >>=0A= >>=0A= >> What about Thursday breakfast?=0A= >>=0A= >> On July 12, 2016 7:46:45 PM Alia Atlas > wrote:=0A= >> How is Monday evening?=0A= >>=0A= >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York > wrote:=0A= >> I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunches= are challenging with other meetings already planned.=0A= >>=0A= >> --=0A= >> Dan York=0A= >> york@isoc.org=0A= >> +1-802-735-1624=0A= >> skype:danyork=0A= >> http://twitter.com/danyork=0A= >>=0A= >>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell > wrote:=0A= >>>=0A= >>>=0A= >>>=0A= >>>> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote:=0A= >>>> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another time t= hat=0A= >>>> can work?=0A= >>>=0A= >>> Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make=0A= >>> it some can and calendars are now full or filling.=0A= >>>=0A= >>> I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all.=0A= >>>=0A= >>> That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm just= =0A= >>> not sure there is a better one.=0A= >>>=0A= >>> S=0A= >>>=0A= >>>=0A= >>>>=0A= >>>>=0A= >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <=0A= >>>> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:=0A= >>>>=0A= >>>>> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that.=0A= >>>>>=0A= >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A >=0A= >>>>> wrote:=0A= >>>>>> Hi Kathleen,=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday morning. = Dan=0A= >>>>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it.=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>> Deborah=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>> -----Original Message-----=0A= >>>>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=0A= >>>>> Kathleen Moriarty=0A= >>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM=0A= >>>>>> To: Robert Sparks = >=0A= >>>>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org=0A= >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast?=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a security= =0A= >>>>>> item to the agenda.=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks >=0A= >>>>> wrote:=0A= >>>>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff.=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>> Hiya,=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin.=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think.=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is=0A= >>>>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex).=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but=0A= >>>>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room.=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>> S.=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>> _______________________________________________=0A= >>>>>>> Manycouches mailing list=0A= >>>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org=0A= >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>> _______________________________________________=0A= >>>>>>> Manycouches mailing list=0A= >>>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org=0A= >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>> --=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>> Best regards,=0A= >>>>>> Kathleen=0A= >>>>>>=0A= >>>>>> _______________________________________________=0A= >>>>>> Manycouches mailing list=0A= >>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org=0A= >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches=0A= >>>>>=0A= >>>>>=0A= >>>>>=0A= >>>>> --=0A= >>>>>=0A= >>>>> Best regards,=0A= >>>>> Kathleen=0A= >>>>>=0A= >>>>> _______________________________________________=0A= >>>>> Manycouches mailing list=0A= >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org=0A= >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches=0A= >>>>=0A= >>>>=0A= >>>>=0A= >>>> _______________________________________________=0A= >>>> Manycouches mailing list=0A= >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org=0A= >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches=0A= >>>=0A= >>> _______________________________________________=0A= >>> Manycouches mailing list=0A= >>> Manycouches@ietf.org=0A= >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches=0A= >>=0A= >> _______________________________________________=0A= >> Manycouches mailing list=0A= >> Manycouches@ietf.org=0A= >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches=0A= >>=0A= >>=0A= >>=0A= >> _______________________________________________=0A= >> Manycouches mailing list=0A= >> Manycouches@ietf.org=0A= >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches=0A= >>=0A= >=0A= =0A= From nobody Fri Jul 15 15:07:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D98D12D87F for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:07:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A4q4WJiPUW-z for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 555C712D871 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21F7BE29; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:07:12 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jaDGf2AlYFQt; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:07:09 +0100 (IST) Received: from [31.133.141.42] (dhcp-8d2a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.141.42]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0C46BDD8; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:07:08 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1468620429; bh=hRi5sWdenjY3iqjoGloIOAfZgEiaSaWMwHptV8nxk8g=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=RxIRHKbVjJGnbgX8vWz9VGR+dmluDuNSAttAGIG/HWE7ptHnaJvaPXQi5HDgwx2ZR PnxYJsbDZJujRop0yn+xJ1P+dJjTQ/42pWClhjScYO7EAGu4A254V8tiNrUqVdgOzy /7r33z4vKXwHd9Y0WQFgxHU94IPtad9vqPfM0egU= To: Suresh Krishnan , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , Lou Berger , Alia Atlas , Dan York References: <57891331.4060701@cs.tcd.ie> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <57895E8B.8040104@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:07:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms000507070808060704090307" Archived-At: Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , "manycouches@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? Doodle time X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:07:18 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000507070808060704090307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/07/16 22:42, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi Stephen, > I have checked the IAB agenda and I can make this meeting on Wednesd= ay=20 > morning. And I maybe can't make Sun 7pm now. So let's meet Wed. If some of us want to also meet Sun 7pm, please do that too. (Self organised.) S >=20 > Thanks > Suresh >=20 > On 07/15/2016 12:45 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> As of now I see 7 for a chat on Sunday @ 7pm and six >> for the original date. I'd suggest we stick with the >> original Wed breakfast slow as that'll give us time to >> chat even less formally between now and then and maybe >> to involve some other folks in the discussion. >> >> S >> >> On 13/07/16 16:43, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: >>> Knowing Stephen is trying to have vacation with his family and so he = doesn=E2=80=99t end up being divorced of family because of us, I=E2=80=99= ve set up a Doodle. I=E2=80=99m thinking we don=E2=80=99t necessarily nee= d a 3-hour dinner, I put different choices, e.g. 1-hour Bar (we probably = can find a room to meet) or dinner. I selected no time zone as then could= have text in the slots (so it=E2=80=99s Berlin time). >>> >>> http://doodle.com/poll/yaqybvz6ymqggikp >>> >>> Stephen as commander in chief on our activity, looking to you to make= the call for best time based on whom you think would be good to be prese= nt. As we noted at the IESG retreat, it wasn=E2=80=99t considered necessa= ry for ADs to be =E2=80=9Cactively=E2=80=9D present at all times. >>> >>> Deborah >>> >>> >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:37 PM >>> To: Alia Atlas ; Dan York >>> Cc: Kathleen Moriarty ; manycouches= @ietf.org; Robert Sparks ; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A ; Stephen Farrell >>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >>> >>> >>> What about Thursday breakfast? >>> >>> On July 12, 2016 7:46:45 PM Alia Atlas > wrote: >>> How is Monday evening? >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Dan York > wrote: >>> I *can* meet Wednesday morning, but am also open to other times. Lunc= hes are challenging with other meetings already planned. >>> >>> -- >>> Dan York >>> york@isoc.org >>> +1-802-735-1624 >>> skype:danyork >>> http://twitter.com/danyork >>> >>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12/07/16 16:35, Alia Atlas wrote: >>>>> Given that many folks can't make Weds morning, is there another tim= e that >>>>> can work? >>>> >>>> Personally, I'd suggest we meet wed morning - while many can't make >>>> it some can and calendars are now full or filling. >>>> >>>> I'd prefer we get some movement rather than bail on meeting at all. >>>> >>>> That said, if another time is better then let's go for that. I'm jus= t >>>> not sure there is a better one. >>>> >>>> S >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < >>>>> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, Deborah! I missed that. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:24 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Kathleen, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The IEEE 802 coordination meeting is scheduled for Tuesday mornin= g. Dan >>>>>> sent a mail about lunchtime (EST) today on it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Deborah >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Manycouches [mailto:manycouches-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Kathleen Moriarty >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:25 PM >>>>>>> To: Robert Sparks > >>>>>>> Cc: manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we have the IEEE breakfast and they may be adding a secur= ity >>>>>>> item to the agenda. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I'll miss due to IAB stuff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/9/16 10:05 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hiya, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I suggest those of us who can, try to meet in Berlin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We can use the IESG Wednesday breakfast for that I think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not all IESG members will want to be present, which is >>>>>>>> fine. I'll try get remote access (likely Webex). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When the IESG's agenda firms up, I'll send timing, but >>>>>>>> likely meeting at 0900 +/- 30 mins in the Tegel room. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> S. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Kathleen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Kathleen >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Manycouches mailing list >>>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Manycouches mailing list >>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Manycouches mailing list >>> Manycouches@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >>> >> >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 05:10:04 -0000 I suppose the obvious question is: will remote participation be available for the meetup? :/ -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6 From nobody Fri Jul 15 22:57:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682C212D095 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:57:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.922 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.922 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=isoc.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UQf31eqLQfIY for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NAM01-BN3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn3nam01on0046.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.33.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F03B12B069 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:57:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=isoc.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-isoc-org; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=1pdPhOgZDKP5ptt/TDtADqb1Rlpz9TAaQbT8wtww/iU=; b=Ht6jJGnBrR4z/9qZ82f15HSXmb3lxNYHQ8GLcYIEDJH6W1KSeNh4ntg/qBITCso4uNJkLK2n6o0wS26WT911RJkkBrbqblShx33lZPT187+6o0FRAVDTsJyPV7tz40o2RJESHPvekHyP36j7g6AB/GG0G/6qtkvbpQKXt8xGSSg= Received: from CY1PR0601MB1657.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.163.232.19) by CY1PR0601MB1658.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.163.232.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.534.14; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 05:57:31 +0000 Received: from CY1PR0601MB1657.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.232.19]) by CY1PR0601MB1657.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.232.19]) with mapi id 15.01.0539.019; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 05:57:31 +0000 From: Dan York To: James Cloos Thread-Topic: [Manycouches] Meet in Berlin for Weds breakfast? 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Doodle time X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 05:57:36 -0000 Ha! Well played... I guess one answer is that one of us (and I would volunt= eer) could run something like Zoom on an iPad and anyone remote could join = in to that link. Let me know if anyone does want that and we could make it happen. ---- Dan York +1-802-735-1624 Skype: danyork http://www.danyork.com/ http://twitter.com/danyork > On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:10 AM, James Cloos wrote: >=20 > I suppose the obvious question is: will remote participation be > available for the meetup? :/ >=20 > -JimC > --=20 > James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches From nobody Tue Jul 19 02:36:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35D112DC22 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:36:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=isoc.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xt1LmKzUBs-0 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NAM02-CY1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-cys01nam02on0049.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.37.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A973A12DE9A for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:28:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=isoc.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-isoc-org; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=qjX34d2TVupO5YUFotIQXvVxNfYMjjjnf3ZqtpV6xKY=; b=hxl9hcfAqGXxBWSdr9yb542WpUY4o1hfMhvREKO34vqSavw6uAcVPOKlTQgswDZm+IyUSMbDjlvsdmy99NiGf35tzrK5+K0HbVZbzUug+TEleq5wroyWk46YMFcrJ2HBJRb4gZ0R3jnN3qPIsUHL/taJpOLcsOy+b2e954kxEjA= Received: from CY1PR0601MB1657.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.163.232.19) by CY1PR0601MB1659.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.163.232.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.539.14; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:28:02 +0000 Received: from CY1PR0601MB1657.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.232.19]) by CY1PR0601MB1657.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.232.19]) with mapi id 15.01.0539.021; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:28:02 +0000 From: Dan York To: "manycouches@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Time (9am?) / location for meeting tomorrow morning? 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X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:36:03 -0000 --_000_1F3B6A030D8C459F8841191500765B46isocorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephen, Last I saw here it seemed the conclusion was we would have a meeting of who= mever could meet tomorrow (Weds) at 9:00am. Is that the right time? And where? Thanks, Dan -- Dan York Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork http://www.internetsociety.org/ --_000_1F3B6A030D8C459F8841191500765B46isocorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7E0581B68BBDEE4694A51CC09D451C24@namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephen,

Last I saw here it seemed the conclusion was we would have = a meeting of whomever could meet tomorrow (Weds) at 9:00am.  Is that t= he right time?

And where?

Thanks,
Dan

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Dan York
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Skype: danyork   http://twitter.com/danyork

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--_000_1F3B6A030D8C459F8841191500765B46isocorg_-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 03:00:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6CC12D5E7 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:00:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cfI9waPp6zLX for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2023E12D19B for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BBEBE25; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:55:45 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4rPvYUyCKA3D; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:55:43 +0100 (IST) Received: from [31.133.178.21] (dhcp-b215.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.178.21]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5991ABE47; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:55:42 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1468922142; bh=/aFZQK6C4gzq72eSVIAzXZzOW92nFk55YmwD9h3L/gE=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Eo9U3Vz8RP6OXrqjEZ3y20KUJg9UVlBe7FhGyi26lFl5GLQcRKPJTkhkNLeAi/S+V rSHGjjCM5mKT/X+wMlcNDw0TbJ3ED2drktv4MEuUTGrim60wojTssIUvbxkQlTfHb1 fOPn8Dbq8eyLTC+P0nEJ4P+7Kd/x8Pn+W8Dmg/+c= To: Dan York , "manycouches@ietf.org" References: <1F3B6A03-0D8C-459F-8841-191500765B46@isoc.org> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:55:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1F3B6A03-0D8C-459F-8841-191500765B46@isoc.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms080608080804050907040700" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Time (9am?) / location for meeting tomorrow morning? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:00:45 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080608080804050907040700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/07/16 10:28, Dan York wrote: > Stephen, >=20 > Last I saw here it seemed the conclusion was we would have a meeting > of whomever could meet tomorrow (Weds) at 9:00am. Is that the right > time? >=20 > And where? Yes, sorry I had meant to send this but forgot so thanks:-) Tegel room, 9am is good. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:19:57 -0000 Hi all,=0A= I have added Spencer Dawkins to the list by request. Welcome, Spencer.= =0A= =0A= Thanks=0A= Suresh=0A= From nobody Wed Jul 20 11:12:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB0212D9EB for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:12:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 66lpudQVOCBt for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D02F12D9E4 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6749 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2016 18:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2016 18:12:40 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id M6Cd1t00x2SSUrH016CgYR; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:12:40 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=TIHWFTVa c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=cAmyUtKerLwA:10 a=h7KH9PFj33smNbUPwXQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=PuhfWg1udfyAmOEKkMUYsAF1dg/tZn9KH3aqq/4ccLM=; b=FqVqIRxh2VpD95RTpMUwMBzOujkk/fGmf//6uljVcEr2/CKuSrQFEOXdSLkTFkouiZIeb2uhNr jbR8KqGHGqcWkbO3096jlj3jIC+j2eY7SETKKAwkP97DlCToRVl8Dx; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:34494 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bPvz3-0001JW-5b for manycouches@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:12:37 -0600 To: "manycouches@ietf.org" From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <6a68d56d-7945-82c3-46a1-a0ce7f9105d2@labn.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:12:24 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 69.89.31.113 X-Exim-ID: 1bPvz3-0001JW-5b X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: box313.bluehost.com ([127.0.0.1]) [69.89.31.113]:34494 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: [Manycouches] thinking about remote registrations X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:12:43 -0000 In thinking about remote meetings (and funding) I think it's worth thinking about how we handle registrations. Here are some thoughts I previously sent to the IAOC: 1) remote audio feed and jabber participation should continue to be unpaid and unregistered as now 2) Access to session audio and video recordings should continue to be published as now, without fee or registration 3) Remote video/audio - registration should be per *individual* participant (i.e., anyone that speaks/presents) perhaps have hubs include some number of participants 4) non-registered/anonymous video (meetecho) listeners should be allowed, but their mic/text input should be disabled disabled I suggest trying the above as an experiment for 1-3 IETFs to get more experience/gather data. Candidates for future charging is type 3, remote participants and possibly hubs. Lou PS Once we start charging, the fee should include tee shirt and IETF cookies (if feasible - and not joking) -- yes this is the genesis of the easy bake oven. -- I see the first design... From nobody Thu Jul 21 03:08:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3092312DC75 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:08:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1dqBsIooe-Bp for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E69312D185 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68F81E5D89 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7sdzWpm03TGy for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b3f2.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b3f2.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.179.242]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4606F1E5D88 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexa Morris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:07:34 -0700 Message-Id: To: manycouches@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Sendlaterdate: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:07:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [Manycouches] identifying issues with O(1000) folks at home... X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:08:01 -0000 Catching up by skimming the archives and I have a couple of questions =97 = I=92ve copied and pasted the relevant email below.=20 I think Stephen=92s list is a good first list of issues. My questions = are: what is the problem that we are trying to solve? Why are we = undertaking this effort?=20 SM said, "For ease of discussion I'll define the problem differently: = how to move from discussing by writing to each other to discussing where = we can all talk to each other.=94=20 Why do we want to move from discussing while writing to discussing while = talking? Do we think that a mega-virtual meeting will progress technical = work faster than a series of interim meetings?=20 Note: I=92m not arguing that we shouldn=92t be trying to do this but I = don=92t yet understand why the trend of increased remote participation = means that a mega-virtual meeting is a logical next step. (Except, = potentially, in the case where a F2F meeting is cancelled at the last = minute due to emergency).=20 Alexa Hi Stephen, At 07:13 01-07-2016, Stephen Farrell wrote: >So I think our task here is to identify issues and possible >experiments that might help explore those issues. > >Here are some issues, please add yours and/or argue about >these: > >- How to approach the intractable timezone problem >- Mechanics of such large numbers connecting at once > (incl. handling failures, incl. warm-body fails) >- Impacts on funding, meeting fees, sponsors,... >- How to make up for being anti-social with us all > sitting on couches alone >- How to be (more) effective in getting work done > while >- Security and privacy issues with such a fully > online meeting - a new style of meeting network > and NOC? >- Phasing in stuff, when to run what experiments? >- Maximising overall cost (incl. time) reduction > for participants, esp. those for whom cost (incl. > time) is a bigger deal >- Is there still a need for at least a vestigial > meeting site? >- If we could do this, wouldn't companies quickly reduce > what they're willing to pay to send a person to a > physical IETF meeting? > >I think it'd be good to bat these about for a bit and >then see if we figure if we have a near (enough) complete >list and if we think some one of us could draft a >paragraph describing the issue that'd be non-controversial. The above is a good list to start with as I could classify some of=20 the issues within what is in the list. For ease of discussion I'll define the problem differently: how to=20 move from discussing by writing to each other to discussing where we=20 can all talk to each other. I'll assume that there aren't any=20 technical problems to tackle. The first issue is scheduling as I'll have to choose a time (and a=20 date) which is convenient to most of the participants instead of=20 following the local time zone. The second issue is that some people=20 might find video from the home intrusive. There is already the=20 ability to hold virtual meetings. That could be used to phase in stuff. At the moment we are familiar with a WG slot work style. Although=20 there isn't a common practice across all WGs, we don't have to be=20 concerned about that as there is some work being done at the end of=20 the day. Should the existing work style be mapped directly into the=20 remote thing? Here's a different angle; your constraint is that you=20 are not allowed to use email for this design team. How do you proceed? Regards, S. Moonesamy=20 ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com From nobody Thu Jul 21 03:30:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFB712DCEC for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:30:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xT4rB12uVnHl for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4881912B040 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E208A1E5D8B; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eBbBO5ckS0VG; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:176:25bc:7e31:43a9:53e3] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:176:25bc:7e31:43a9:53e3]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 50EEE1E5D89; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: <6a68d56d-7945-82c3-46a1-a0ce7f9105d2@labn.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:29:49 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sendlaterdate: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:29:49 -0700 Message-Id: References: <6a68d56d-7945-82c3-46a1-a0ce7f9105d2@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: "manycouches@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Manycouches] thinking about remote registrations X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:30:33 -0000 On Jul 20, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > In thinking about remote meetings (and funding) I think it's worth > thinking about how we handle registrations. Here are some thoughts I > previously sent to the IAOC: >=20 > 1) remote audio feed and jabber participation should continue to be > unpaid and unregistered as now >=20 > 2) Access to session audio and video recordings should continue to be > published as now, without fee or registration >=20 > 3) Remote video/audio - registration should be per *individual* > participant (i.e., anyone that speaks/presents) > perhaps have hubs include some number of participants >=20 > 4) non-registered/anonymous video (meetecho) listeners should be > allowed, but their mic/text input should be disabled disabled >=20 > I suggest trying the above as an experiment for 1-3 IETFs to get more > experience/gather data. Candidates for future charging is type 3, = remote > participants and possibly hubs. This sounds good to me.=20 >=20 > Lou >=20 > PS Once we start charging, the fee should include tee shirt and IETF > cookies (if feasible - and not joking) -- yes this is the genesis of > the easy bake oven. -- I see the first design=85 My first reaction is that this does not seem very feasible, both from a = cost and a staff resource perspective. But maybe (hopefully) I=92m wrong = on that, as it=92s certainly a fun idea.=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >=20 ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com From nobody Thu Jul 21 06:00:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFAC12D97D for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:00:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0WRWJk_6DmkL for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x232.google.com (mail-yw0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B35C12DAAE for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x232.google.com with SMTP id u134so72904910ywg.3 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:00:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Fuj2Ba34mr3XyXpA7c4UNSD2dOO3h2dwwQW3HDpgjx4=; b=sc/qXmTe2BRY9HGCWvqC7WPRQGetXuDnM32ZR15i15SnouNThwbytFH7T8j9w7wu6+ koVIGthBb31FLQULSq7QQusFRGHHiwQ+EkNUHloYKkqrUgkrI5aFOf9XWPIFX0eSQLPn yR2q6Dpsxhr+RU5QjAfKpuS/+mg6+efP3FvogvutfGRPI4Bz2rnV1tnJte3nYp5N79ko iJCQF4nQ32KJblo+iURWq54d5WidwYL1LEWImnOC6QzSv6/7Zk4FcqNVqwoKQPW4ck9L VSkKRMMhlpwCohXj4TrNGQr1YqWLOX0N0WSRlsKgCN1jjfyZU3bDYrqKZzJ11s8H6k2G JWWA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Fuj2Ba34mr3XyXpA7c4UNSD2dOO3h2dwwQW3HDpgjx4=; b=Jn73J0Au8551vpl68HW0BtZGq5bzSIb4bYrOooMQ1NjXGChTN9ZCpOQxKvM0hIqS9A XqKHKKxUy9JSp0DYZ8PS3fE0iuZpMqKvJRqi+IP2L5VEgeh9UYQWBfi4lZ7mzPOmaCI3 PqhwFJJ5ka7GlhMMCA7EG4VEpVwPc5kL5ik0Gs0AOvskIP1+GReuM7VakLIlsr2psKBw gLHDz39Uw9OMKdMrK4gk/u18TUcZ3bYQCjhVdoEMfyTKwztIMTgUniJp4TOGlQZPLUxi 7oueN1Y8l/An2LReSPTsVwEtwsTxYGlyU5XpeKtHO5TMXlFD6/Sj85vL/LAXV76jQO94 LE4w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tL9ddLc0emQ098cZbz1KvfzqjQc+7xzoVg9epS8f2qLJ//vzo5GQ5l7w4Cu9a7y5CAQG3XTFB2A7Y0GnA== X-Received: by 10.37.86.87 with SMTP id k84mr17357719ybb.98.1469106019521; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:00:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.231.20 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:00:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:00:19 +0200 Message-ID: To: Alexa Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114258566e75db053824e64f Archived-At: Cc: manycouches@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Manycouches] identifying issues with O(1000) folks at home... X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:00:40 -0000 --001a114258566e75db053824e64f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Alexa, On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: > Catching up by skimming the archives and I have a couple of questions =E2= =80=94 > I=E2=80=99ve copied and pasted the relevant email below. > > I think Stephen=E2=80=99s list is a good first list of issues. My questio= ns are: > what is the problem that we are trying to solve? Why are we undertaking > this effort? > > SM said, "For ease of discussion I'll define the problem differently: how > to move from discussing by writing to each other to discussing where we c= an > all talk to each other.=E2=80=9D > > Why do we want to move from discussing while writing to discussing while > talking? Do we think that a mega-virtual meeting will progress technical > work faster than a series of interim meetings? > > Note: I=E2=80=99m not arguing that we shouldn=E2=80=99t be trying to do t= his but I don=E2=80=99t > yet understand why the trend of increased remote participation means that= a > mega-virtual meeting is a logical next step. (Except, potentially, in the > case where a F2F meeting is cancelled at the last minute due to emergency= ). That's exactly what I'm thinking - that it would be helpful to start planning for a mega-virtual meeting, because if there is an emergency and you cancel a F2F, we won't be reacting from a standing start. Now, if people wanted to run smaller-scale experiments as part of planning for a mega-virtual meeting, that sounds like a fine idea to me. As one example, didn't the IESG and IAOC talk about making Meetecho work as the default environment for WG virtual interims when we met on Monday morning? That could be a reasonable step along the path ... ("if we can't make that work well, adding O(1000)s of people isn't going to make it work better"). Spencer > Alexa > > > Hi Stephen, > At 07:13 01-07-2016, Stephen Farrell wrote: > >So I think our task here is to identify issues and possible > >experiments that might help explore those issues. > > > >Here are some issues, please add yours and/or argue about > >these: > > > >- How to approach the intractable timezone problem > >- Mechanics of such large numbers connecting at once > > (incl. handling failures, incl. warm-body fails) > >- Impacts on funding, meeting fees, sponsors,... > >- How to make up for being anti-social with us all > > sitting on couches alone > >- How to be (more) effective in getting work done > > while > >- Security and privacy issues with such a fully > > online meeting - a new style of meeting network > > and NOC? > >- Phasing in stuff, when to run what experiments? > >- Maximising overall cost (incl. time) reduction > > for participants, esp. those for whom cost (incl. > > time) is a bigger deal > >- Is there still a need for at least a vestigial > > meeting site? > >- If we could do this, wouldn't companies quickly reduce > > what they're willing to pay to send a person to a > > physical IETF meeting? > > > >I think it'd be good to bat these about for a bit and > >then see if we figure if we have a near (enough) complete > >list and if we think some one of us could draft a > >paragraph describing the issue that'd be non-controversial. > > The above is a good list to start with as I could classify some of > the issues within what is in the list. > > For ease of discussion I'll define the problem differently: how to > move from discussing by writing to each other to discussing where we > can all talk to each other. I'll assume that there aren't any > technical problems to tackle. > > The first issue is scheduling as I'll have to choose a time (and a > date) which is convenient to most of the participants instead of > following the local time zone. The second issue is that some people > might find video from the home intrusive. There is already the > ability to hold virtual meetings. That could be used to phase in stuff. > > At the moment we are familiar with a WG slot work style. Although > there isn't a common practice across all WGs, we don't have to be > concerned about that as there is some work being done at the end of > the day. Should the existing work style be mapped directly into the > remote thing? Here's a different angle; your constraint is that you > are not allowed to use email for this design team. How do you proceed? > > Regards, > S. Moonesamy > > ---------- > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > +1.510.492.4001 > Email: amorris@amsl.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > --001a114258566e75db053824e64f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Alexa,

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Alexa Morris = <amorris@amsl.com<= /a>> wrote:
Catching up by skim= ming the archives and I have a couple of questions =E2=80=94 I=E2=80=99ve c= opied and pasted the relevant email below.

I think Stephen=E2=80=99s list is a good first list of issues. My questions= are: what is the problem that we are trying to solve? Why are we undertaki= ng this effort?

SM said, "For ease of discussion I'll define the problem different= ly: how to move from discussing by writing to each other to discussing wher= e we can all talk to each other.=E2=80=9D

Why do we want to move from discussing while writing to discussing while ta= lking? Do we think that a mega-virtual meeting will progress technical work= faster than a series of interim meetings?

Note: I=E2=80=99m not arguing that we shouldn=E2=80=99t be trying to do thi= s but I don=E2=80=99t yet understand why the trend of increased remote part= icipation means that a mega-virtual meeting is a logical next step. (Except= , potentially, in the case where a F2F meeting is cancelled at the last min= ute due to emergency).

That's exactly w= hat I'm thinking - that it would be helpful to start planning for a meg= a-virtual meeting, because if there is an emergency and you cancel a F2F, w= e won't be reacting from a standing start.

Now= , if people wanted to run smaller-scale experiments as part of planning for= a mega-virtual meeting, that sounds like a fine idea to me. As one example= , didn't the IESG and IAOC talk about making Meetecho work as the defau= lt environment for WG virtual interims when we met on Monday morning? That = could be a reasonable step along the path ... ("if we can't make t= hat work well, adding O(1000)s of people isn't going to make it work be= tter").

Spencer
=C2=A0
Alexa


Hi Stephen,
At 07:13 01-07-2016, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>So I think our task here is to identify issues and possible
>experiments that might help explore those issues.
>
>Here are some issues, please add yours and/or argue about
>these:
>
>- How to approach the intractable timezone problem
>- Mechanics of such large numbers connecting at once
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0(incl. handling failures, incl. warm-body fails)
>- Impacts on funding, meeting fees, sponsors,...
>- How to make up for being anti-social with us all
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0sitting on couches alone
>- How to be (more) effective in getting work done
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0while
>- Security and privacy issues with such a fully
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0online meeting - a new style of meeting network
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0and NOC?
>- Phasing in stuff, when to run what experiments?
>- Maximising overall cost (incl. time) reduction
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0for participants, esp. those for whom cost (incl.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0time) is a bigger deal
>- Is there still a need for at least a vestigial
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0meeting site?
>- If we could do this, wouldn't companies quickly reduce
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0what they're willing to pay to send a person to a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0physical IETF meeting?
>
>I think it'd be good to bat these about for a bit and
>then see if we figure if we have a near (enough) complete
>list and if we think some one of us could draft a
>paragraph describing the issue that'd be non-controversial.

The above is a good list to start with as I could classify some of
the issues within what is in the list.

For ease of discussion I'll define the problem differently: how to
move from discussing by writing to each other to discussing where we
can all talk to each other.=C2=A0 I'll assume that there aren't any=
technical problems to tackle.

The first issue is scheduling as I'll have to choose a time (and a
date) which is convenient to most of the participants instead of
following the local time zone.=C2=A0 The second issue is that some people might find video from the home intrusive.=C2=A0 There is already the
ability to hold virtual meetings.=C2=A0 That could be used to phase in stuf= f.

At the moment we are familiar with a WG slot work style.=C2=A0 Although
there isn't a common practice across all WGs, we don't have to be concerned about that as there is some work being done at the end of
the day.=C2=A0 Should the existing work style be mapped directly into the remote thing?=C2=A0 Here's a different angle; your constraint is that y= ou
are not allowed to use email for this design team.=C2=A0 How do you proceed= ?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

----------
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:06:08 -0000 --001a114e621e5ee262053824f8de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Alexa, On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: > > On Jul 20, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > > > In thinking about remote meetings (and funding) I think it's worth > > thinking about how we handle registrations. Here are some thoughts I > > previously sent to the IAOC: > > > > 1) remote audio feed and jabber participation should continue to be > > unpaid and unregistered as now > > > > 2) Access to session audio and video recordings should continue to be > > published as now, without fee or registration > > > > 3) Remote video/audio - registration should be per *individual* > > participant (i.e., anyone that speaks/presents) > > perhaps have hubs include some number of participants > > > > 4) non-registered/anonymous video (meetecho) listeners should be > > allowed, but their mic/text input should be disabled disabled > If we really want people to register, and enter registration numbers whenever they enter a room, having Meetecho remember registration numbers when you click on "remember me" would help a lot. I've looked up my registration number a couple of times, but then just started clicking on "let me join without registration" every time I entered a room. > > I suggest trying the above as an experiment for 1-3 IETFs to get more > > experience/gather data. Candidates for future charging is type 3, remot= e > > participants and possibly hubs. > > This sounds good to me. > > > > > Lou > > > > PS Once we start charging, the fee should include tee shirt and IETF > > cookies (if feasible - and not joking) -- yes this is the genesis of > > the easy bake oven. -- I see the first design=E2=80=A6 > > My first reaction is that this does not seem very feasible, both from a > cost and a staff resource perspective. But maybe (hopefully) I=E2=80=99m = wrong on > that, as it=E2=80=99s certainly a fun idea. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Manycouches mailing list > > Manycouches@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > > > ---------- > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > +1.510.492.4001 > Email: amorris@amsl.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > --001a114e621e5ee262053824f8de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Alexa,

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Alexa Morris = <amorris@amsl.com<= /a>> wrote:
On Jul 20, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

> In thinking about remote meetings (and funding) I think it's worth=
> thinking about how we handle registrations.=C2=A0 Here are some though= ts I
> previously sent to the IAOC:
>
> 1) remote audio feed and jabber participation should continue to be > unpaid and unregistered as now
>
> 2) Access to session audio and video recordings should continue to be<= br> > published as now, without fee or registration
>
> 3) Remote video/audio -=C2=A0 registration should be per *individual*<= br> > participant (i.e., anyone that speaks/presents)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0perhaps have hubs include some number of participan= ts
>
> 4) non-registered/anonymous video (meetecho) listeners should be
> allowed, but their mic/text input should be disabled disabled

If we really want people to register, an= d enter registration numbers whenever they enter a room, having Meetecho re= member registration numbers when you click on "remember me" would= help a lot. I've looked up my registration number a couple of times, b= ut then just started clicking on "let me join without registration&quo= t; every time I entered a room.
=C2=A0
> I suggest trying the above as an experiment for 1-3 IETFs to get more<= br> > experience/gather data. Candidates for future charging is type 3, remo= te
> participants and possibly hubs.

This sounds good to me.

>
> Lou
>
> PS Once we start charging, the fee should include tee shirt and IETF > cookies (if feasible - and not joking)=C2=A0 -- yes this is the genesi= s of
> the easy bake oven.=C2=A0 -- I see the first design=E2=80=A6
My first reaction is that this does not seem very feasible, both from a cos= t and a staff resource perspective. But maybe (hopefully) I=E2=80=99m wrong= on that, as it=E2=80=99s certainly a fun idea.

>
> _______________________________________________
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> Manycouches@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouc= hes
>

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--001a114e621e5ee262053824f8de-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 06:35:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F68A12D501 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:35:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yGWgyFu-7IJ8 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brc1.unina.it (brc1.unina.it [192.132.34.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80FB512D0B1 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:35:42 -0700 (PDT) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1469108139-05ce3705b51882200001-dnAp5i Received: from smtp1.unina.it (smtp1.unina.it [192.132.34.61]) by brc1.unina.it with ESMTP id VMltajgEGLEHYrhG (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:35:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: spromano@unina.it X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 192.132.34.61 Received: from [31.130.230.79] ([31.130.230.79]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u6LDZbg9021250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:35:38 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DF3B4E77-3812-4BA3-8E81-1281E210B6A9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Simon Pietro Romano X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Manycouches] thinking about remote registrations In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:35:36 +0200 Message-Id: References: <6a68d56d-7945-82c3-46a1-a0ce7f9105d2@labn.net> To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Barracuda-Connect: smtp1.unina.it[192.132.34.61] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1469108139 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES256-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://192.132.34.50:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi Received-SPF: softfail (unina.it: domain of transitioning spromano@unina.it does not designate 31.130.230.79 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at unina.it X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_SC0_MISMATCH_TO, BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL, HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.31423 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 BSF_SC0_MISMATCH_TO Envelope rcpt doesn't match header 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.00 BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL Custom Rule SPF Softfail Archived-At: Cc: Alexa Morris , Lou Berger , "manycouches@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Manycouches] thinking about remote registrations X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:35:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DF3B4E77-3812-4BA3-8E81-1281E210B6A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Spencer, > If we really want people to register, and enter registration numbers = whenever they enter a room, having Meetecho remember registration = numbers when you click on "remember me" would help a lot. I've looked up = my registration number a couple of times, but then just started clicking = on "let me join without registration" every time I entered a room. Meetecho does actually remember the registration ID. This functionality = (which is a brand new one we implemented after BA) was supposed to be = available since the beginning of the meeting. Unfortunately, we simply = failed to enable it when we completed the setup of the servers; we did = this on Tuesday morning. The feature seems to be working correctly since = then (you can perhaps give it a try). Cheers, Simon > =20 > > I suggest trying the above as an experiment for 1-3 IETFs to get = more > > experience/gather data. Candidates for future charging is type 3, = remote > > participants and possibly hubs. >=20 > This sounds good to me. >=20 > > > > Lou > > > > PS Once we start charging, the fee should include tee shirt and IETF > > cookies (if feasible - and not joking) -- yes this is the genesis = of > > the easy bake oven. -- I see the first design=E2=80=A6 >=20 > My first reaction is that this does not seem very feasible, both from = a cost and a staff resource perspective. But maybe (hopefully) I=E2=80=99m= wrong on that, as it=E2=80=99s certainly a fun idea. >=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Manycouches mailing list > > Manycouches@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches = > > >=20 > ---------- > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > +1.510.492.4001 > Email: amorris@amsl.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches = _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico = II Computer Engineering Department=20 Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816 e-mail: spromano@unina.it = <>. = Magritte. oooO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ ( = ( ) \_) ) = / = (_/ --Apple-Mail=_DF3B4E77-3812-4BA3-8E81-1281E210B6A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Spencer,

If we really want people to register, and enter registration = numbers whenever they enter a room, having Meetecho remember = registration numbers when you click on "remember me" would help a lot. = I've looked up my registration number a couple of times, but then just = started clicking on "let me join without registration" every time I = entered a room.

Meetecho does actually remember the registration ID. = This functionality (which is a brand new one we implemented after BA) = was supposed to be available since the beginning of the meeting. = Unfortunately, we simply failed to enable it when we completed the setup = of the servers; we did this on Tuesday morning. The feature seems to be = working correctly since then (you can perhaps give it a = try).

Cheers,

Simon

 
> I suggest trying the above as an experiment for 1-3 IETFs to get = more
> experience/gather data. Candidates for future charging is type 3, = remote
> participants and possibly hubs.

This sounds good to me.

>
> Lou
>
> PS Once we start charging, the fee should include tee shirt and = IETF
> cookies (if feasible - and not joking)  -- yes this is the = genesis of
> the easy bake oven.  -- I see the first design=E2=80=A6
My first reaction is that this does not seem very feasible, both from a = cost and a staff resource perspective. But maybe (hopefully) I=E2=80=99m = wrong on that, as it=E2=80=99s certainly a fun idea.

>
> _______________________________________________
> Manycouches mailing list
> Manycouches@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches
>

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Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF
+1.510.492.4001
Email: amorris@amsl.com



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    =                   =   _\\|//_
    =                     =     = ( O-O )
      = ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  =                 =    = Simon Pietro Romano
    =            Universita' di = Napoli Federico II
        =               Computer Engineering = Department 
           =   Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816
                =                     =        e-mail: spromano@unina.it

    <<Molti mi = dicono che lo scoraggiamento =C3=A8 l'alibi degli 
=     idioti. Ci rifletto un istante; e mi = scoraggio>>. Magritte.
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       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( =   )~~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
=               =    \ (            (   = )
=               =                   =   \_)          ) /
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X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:08:27 -0000 Has anybody talked with Meetecho about doing some experiments with a load generator, so they can start getting a handle on where they run into scaling issues, etc., without having to involve large numbers of people? Once they're confident that they've identified what they can with a synthetic load, then they can move towards experiments with actual meetings. Seems like starting the scaling experiments by involving humans is bound to lead to frustration. Melinda From nobody Thu Jul 21 08:03:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C2912D66E for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:02:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.077 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.077 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=opendkim.org header.b=bz8zgPlg; dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=elandsys.com header.b=OxZNfDci Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QQf99eSPvkdq for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D888912D6A9 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com (IDENT:sm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6LF2HBu029410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:02:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1469113343; x=1469199743; bh=Ty4eBILfJE6ODuv+jwVmljeRgaZ+GgyemaM+hlMGZ+E=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=bz8zgPlgH3Afmj4ccT7uxe91wY79EXproFpaKuN/JJasOCLLnMXVKd3qAbvHear4y RgMq/sQDITiZL3D9GQxi890V1xFHv6mYCL7uV1vpy91gs8SZhAiZQQQgM6vhbtHG3A ea4N5A6auwieKXjFFMtwhpcKa7o9dV3hAiyYXs1k= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1469113343; x=1469199743; i=@elandsys.com; bh=Ty4eBILfJE6ODuv+jwVmljeRgaZ+GgyemaM+hlMGZ+E=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=OxZNfDciSUq3Cmc9Kt5r+OypX6kyq1SRyLPOh9yE5/kiDtipzbwq6L+VHE6rt9r9w ClNdNc+oQmjJ471vgMEg/mm2+mlmn0NRK48opVsQe1mbfiFQ1B82Kxk9ZDNRDGtY3v a+DD63eoWZ8NX0EK9/0uDGQvr29dY2SGOWJOL3jw= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20160721031753.0a73b8a0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:49:19 -0700 To: Alexa Morris , manycouches@ietf.org From: S Moonesamy In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: [Manycouches] Mega-virtual meeting (was: identifying issues with O(1000) folks at home...) X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:02:59 -0000 Hi Alexa, At 03:07 21-07-2016, Alexa Morris wrote: >Why do we want to move from discussing while writing to discussing >while talking? Do we think that a mega-virtual meeting will progress >technical work faster than a series of interim meetings? The reason I asked about discussing while talking (instead of using email) is to try and figure out some of the issues. For example, the persons on this list tried to meet in person. It was done by writing to each other. There are other ways to do it. However, the security or privacy aspects could be a problem as we go beyond a small group of people who know each other. There was an interesting comment from Mark Nottingham during the plenary about meetings and the advantages of meeting in person. I don't think that it is currently possible to progress technical work faster though a mega-virtual meeting. Stephen identified some of the issues. Assuming that the technical issues are resolved in future, could the IETF move to a mega-virtual meeting? I don't know. There are a few hundred remote attendees for this week's meeting. If the number increases, the IETF will reach a point where it will have to find answers to some questions (e.g. see message from Lou Berger). Regards, S. Moonesamy From nobody Thu Jul 21 08:22:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B990712D749 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oD7k1R5MESMJ for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brc2.unina.it (brc2.unina.it [192.132.34.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 311BC12D6B1 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1469114527-05f275679413d0c80001-dnAp5i Received: from smtp2.unina.it (smtp2.unina.it [192.132.34.62]) by brc2.unina.it with ESMTP id 6up9qL2rJexa9rlo (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:22:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: spromano@unina.it X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 192.132.34.62 Received: from [31.130.230.79] ([31.130.230.79]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u6LFM5HR021385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:22:06 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EB62AC86-9FB8-4DCD-9902-1749B0B89C41" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Simon Pietro Romano X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Manycouches] identifying issues with O(1000) folks at home... In-Reply-To: <54bd8706-7bd2-00f5-af91-6128c81a859c@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:22:05 +0200 Message-Id: <0A588A01-5686-451C-8DAB-0286C156D6BB@unina.it> References: <54bd8706-7bd2-00f5-af91-6128c81a859c@gmail.com> To: Melinda Shore X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Barracuda-Connect: smtp2.unina.it[192.132.34.62] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1469114527 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES256-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://192.132.34.42:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi Received-SPF: softfail (unina.it: domain of transitioning spromano@unina.it does not designate 31.130.230.79 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at unina.it X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_SC0_MISMATCH_TO, BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL, HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.31424 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 BSF_SC0_MISMATCH_TO Envelope rcpt doesn't match header 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.00 BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL Custom Rule SPF Softfail Archived-At: Cc: manycouches@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Manycouches] identifying issues with O(1000) folks at home... X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:22:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EB62AC86-9FB8-4DCD-9902-1749B0B89C41 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Melinda, we do have such a load generating tool and we do perform extensive = stress-testing campaigns. Obviously, the results of those tests depend = on a number of factors, among which the networking and server-side = infrastructure obviously play a major role. We=E2=80=99ll be sharing = with you the results of a typical stress-testing campaign in the next = few weeks, so to give you a flavour of the figures we have collected so = far. Cheers, Simon _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico = II Computer Engineering Department=20 Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816 e-mail: spromano@unina.it = <>. = Magritte. oooO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ ( = ( ) \_) ) = / = (_/ > On 21 Jul 2016, at 16:08, Melinda Shore = wrote: >=20 > Has anybody talked with Meetecho about doing some experiments > with a load generator, so they can start getting a handle on > where they run into scaling issues, etc., without having to > involve large numbers of people? Once they're confident that > they've identified what they can with a synthetic load, then > they can move towards experiments with actual meetings. Seems > like starting the scaling experiments by involving humans > is bound to lead to frustration. >=20 > Melinda >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >=20 --Apple-Mail=_EB62AC86-9FB8-4DCD-9902-1749B0B89C41 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Melinda,

we do have such a load generating tool and we do perform = extensive stress-testing campaigns. Obviously, the results of those = tests depend on a number of factors, among which the networking and = server-side infrastructure obviously play a major role. We=E2=80=99ll be = sharing with you the results of a typical stress-testing campaign in the = next few weeks, so to give you a flavour of the figures we have = collected so far.

Cheers,

Simon


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    =            Universita' di = Napoli Federico II
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                =                     =        e-mail: spromano@unina.it

    <<Molti mi = dicono che lo scoraggiamento =C3=A8 l'alibi degli 
=     idioti. Ci rifletto un istante; e mi = scoraggio>>. Magritte.
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On 21 Jul 2016, at 16:08, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> wrote:

Has = anybody talked with Meetecho about doing some experiments
with a load generator, so they can start getting a handle = on
where they run into scaling issues, etc., without = having to
involve large numbers of people?  Once = they're confident that
they've identified what they can = with a synthetic load, then
they can move towards = experiments with actual meetings.  Seems
like = starting the scaling experiments by involving humans
is = bound to lead to frustration.

Melinda

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SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR0601MB1659; H:CY1PR0601MB1657.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: isoc.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_537FE736A512422984FF215F32DCDCF0isocorg_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: isoc.org X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 22 Jul 2016 18:51:08.5622 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 89f84dfb-7285-4810-bc4d-8b9b5794554f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR0601MB1659 Archived-At: Subject: [Manycouches] Notes from manycouches meeting with IESG - 20 July 2017 X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:51:14 -0000 --_000_537FE736A512422984FF215F32DCDCF0isocorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are some notes I took from the meeting this week. Comments, feedback = and other notes are definitely welcome. Dan ------------------------- Joint meeting of the "manycouches" team with the IESG Date: 20 July 2017, 9-10am CEST Actions: - Dan York to create first draft of document describing overall issues and = situation - Greg Wood to relay info about other past virtual meetings he is aware of = from other organizations - Benoit Claise to send Dan his thoughts on efficient virtual meetings (DON= E) On Wednesday, 20 July 2017, the members of the "manycouches" design team me= t in the room where the IESG was meeting and IESG members also participated= in the discussion. Stephen Farrell led the conversation. An initial conversation was about the scope of the effort. Are we: 1. looking at how to have a *completely* virtual meeting? (someone said a "= mega-virtual-meeting") 2. looking at how to have an *emergency* virtual meeting? (example: an eart= hquake happens in the host city a week before the meeting is to take place) The sense I took was that we are to explore the issues that could be involv= ed with either of these scenarios, with no commitment toward either. A pot= ential outcome is that the work might lead to experiments that could expand= virtual participation with future physical meetings. An obvious difference is that in an "emergency" situation we might want to = replicate the existing meeting schedule as that has already been hammered o= ut. Issues Major issues identified include: 1. Timezones! 2. Current structure with many meeting sessions at the same time. 3. Hallway conversations. 4. Side meetings and conversations. - often times groups meet at the IETF venue and then go off and work on a p= roject 5. Serendipity - discovering other people. Structure A structure was suggested by Greg Wood for how to think about the topics (t= o which I have added a few points): 1. Technical - including NOC and hallway conversations 2. Program - what does the structure look like? Do we have meetings over 24 hours? I= s it still in a "week"? 3. User journey - what is the user experience for such a meeting? 4. Administrative - what is impact on centralized resources such as support staff? - impact on funding? 5. Security - ex. how do you ensure that a DDoS doesn't take down the entire meeting? - (this could be seen as a subset of "Technical" but I think it merits it's= own area as it may be more than technical) Current experience There was discussion about the current experience with attending meetings r= emotely. Some of the points raised: - It is common for remote participants to ONLY go to meetings of direct int= erest to them, particularly if there is a large timezone difference. What = is lost is the inadvertent cross-pollination that happens when people drift= into other working groups in which they do not normally participate. - Remote participants often *can* join in multiple sessions at the same tim= e by, for instance, running multiple instances of Meetecho in different bro= wsers. Other discussion points Other points raised in the discussion: - There was discussion about timezones and how to identify the best time fo= r a working group to meet. One idea was that a group might identify where = its main leaders were clustered and choose the timezone based on that. (Alt= hough concern was this might feed into limiting participation from other ar= eas.) - For a planned virtual meeting the program would not necessarily be limite= d by the traditional schedule. It would be possible that sessions could mee= t over the full 24 hours of the day. - The idea was mentioned that perhaps the planned virtual meeting could spa= n more than a week, i.e. it could continue over a couple of weeks or indeed= be ongoing. The counterpoint was that keeping it within a week gave a foc= used block of time that people could allocate for participation in the virt= ual event. - Alia Atlas asked about how we take advantage of being virtual. How could = we make it more conversational? How can it be better than a physical meetin= g? - Lou Berger asked about how we pay for it. - The question of deadlines (for drafts, agendas, etc.) was raised as somet= hing to be explored. - A question was asked about how we could effectively trial any of these id= eas. - There was discussion about other examples of "all-virtual" meetings that = have happened and the need to explore those examples to understand what can= be learned. Greg Wood offered to research some of the other examples he w= as aware of. - Benoit Claise noted that meetings mail when we don't have good coordinato= rs and noted the need for training for coordinators. - Several participants including Alissa Cooper and Deb Brungard expressed c= oncern to be clear *why* we are doing this effort and the need for a clear = problem statement. - A couple of participants voiced opinions that I would summarize as: repl= acing a physical meeting would be pretty much impossible. --------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER THE MEETING Benoit sent the following points as things he thought made for a good inter= im meeting: - Focus on a couple of topics, not all - Live cycle document: no early =3D> finishing document - Identify key contributors involved =3D> this decides the TZ - Identify a good call facilitator ------- In other meetings this week I heard comments that pertain to this topic: - Inclusivity - how do you bring new people into sessions? how do people l= earn of side meetings? - Mentoring - how do mentors work in a virtual meeting? - How do you incorporate some concept of "unstructured" time where people c= an meet and connect? - Mark Nottingham made a statement in a session that the purpose of meeting= in person is to get to know people and to socialize so that you have a sha= red mind space when you are then working on projects. -- Dan York Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork http://www.internetsociety.org/ --_000_537FE736A512422984FF215F32DCDCF0isocorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here are some notes I took from the meeting this week. &nbs= p;Comments, feedback and other notes are definitely welcome.

Dan

-------------------------
Joint meeting of the "manycouches" team with the = IESG
Date: 20 July 2017, 9-10am CEST

Actions:
- Dan York to create first draft of document describing ove= rall issues and situation
- Greg Wood to relay info about other past virtual meetings= he is aware of from other organizations
- Benoit Claise to send Dan his thoughts on efficient virtu= al meetings (DONE)

On Wednesday, 20 July 2017, the members of the "manyco= uches" design team met in the room where the IESG was meeting and IESG= members also participated in the discussion.  

Stephen Farrell led the conversation.  

An initial conversation was about the scope of the effort. =  Are we:

1. looking at how to have a *completely* virtual meeting? (= someone said a "mega-virtual-meeting")

2. looking at how to have an *emergency* virtual meeting? (= example: an earthquake happens in the host city a week before the meeting i= s to take place)

The sense I took was that we are to explore the issues that= could be involved with either of these scenarios, with no commitment towar= d either.  A potential outcome is that the work might lead to experime= nts that could expand virtual participation with future physical meetings.

An obvious difference is that in an "emergency" s= ituation we might want to replicate the existing meeting schedule as that h= as already been hammered out.

Issues

Major issues identified include:

1. Timezones!
2. Current structure with many meeting sessions at the same= time.
3. Hallway conversations.
4. Side meetings and conversations.
- often times groups meet at the IETF venue and then go off and work o= n a project
5. Serendipity  - discovering other people.

Structure

A structure was suggested by Greg Wood for how to think abo= ut the topics (to which I have added a few points):

1. Technical
- including NOC and hallway conversations
2. Program
- what does the structure look like?  Do we have meetings over 24= hours?  Is it still in a "week"?
3. User journey
- what is the user experience for such a meeting?
4. Administrative
- what is impact on centralized resources such as support staff?
- impact on funding?
5. Security
- ex. how do you ensure that a DDoS doesn't take down the entire meeti= ng?
- (this could be seen as a subset of "Technical" but I think= it merits it's own area as it may be more than technical)

Current experience

There was discussion about the current experience with atte= nding meetings remotely. Some of the points raised:

- It is common for remote participants to ONLY go to meetin= gs of direct interest to them, particularly if there is a large timezone di= fference.  What is lost is the inadvertent cross-pollination that happ= ens when people drift into other working groups in which they do not normally participate.

- Remote participants often *can* join in multiple sessions= at the same time by, for instance, running multiple instances of Meetecho = in different browsers.

Other discussion points

Other points raised in the discussion:

- There was discussion about timezones and how to identify = the best time for a working group to meet.  One idea was that a group = might identify where its main leaders were clustered and choose the timezon= e based on that. (Although concern was this might feed into limiting participation from other areas.)

- For a planned virtual meeting the program would not neces= sarily be limited by the traditional schedule. It would be possible that se= ssions could meet over the full 24 hours of the day.

- The idea was mentioned that perhaps the planned virtual m= eeting could span more than a week, i.e. it could continue over a couple of= weeks or indeed be ongoing.  The counterpoint was that keeping it wit= hin a week gave a focused block of time that people could allocate for participation in the virtual event.

- Alia Atlas asked about how we take advantage of being vir= tual. How could we make it more conversational? How can it be better than a= physical meeting?

- Lou Berger asked about how we pay for it.

- The question of deadlines (for drafts, agendas, etc.) was= raised as something to be explored.

- A question was asked about how we could effectively trial= any of these ideas.

- There was discussion about other examples of "all-vi= rtual" meetings that have happened and the need to explore those examp= les to understand what can be learned.  Greg Wood offered to research = some of the other examples he was aware of.

- Benoit Claise noted that meetings mail when we don't have= good coordinators and noted the need for training for coordinators.

- Several participants including Alissa Cooper and Deb Brun= gard expressed concern to be clear *why* we are doing this effort and the n= eed for a clear problem statement.  

- A couple of participants voiced opinions that I would sum= marize as:  replacing a physical meeting would be pretty much impossib= le.

-----------------------------------------------------------= ----------

A= FTER THE MEETING
<= br class=3D"">
Benoit sent the following points as things he thought made = for a good interim meeting:

- Focus on a couple of topics, not all
- Live cycle document: no early =3D> finishing document<= /div>
- Identify key contributors involved =3D> this decides t= he TZ
- Identify a good call facilitator

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In other meetings this week I heard comments that pertain t= o this topic:

- Inclusivity - how do you bring new people into sessions? =  how do people learn of side meetings?

- Mentoring - how do mentors work in a virtual meeting?

- How do you incorporate some concept of "unstructured= " time where people can meet and connect?

- Mark Nottingham made a statement in a session that the pu= rpose of meeting in person is to get to know people and to socialize so tha= t you have a shared mind space when you are then working on projects.



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