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Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:47:13 -0000 --_000_D1C04CF0820343BBB93B50CD6CF7FB6Cisocorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable manycouches team, FYI, I've submitted a new version of the overall document based on feedback= from the Seoul meeting. The doc is at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meeti= ngs/ My version in Github is at: https://github.com/danyork/draft-york-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetin= gs Comments are naturally welcome, Dan Begin forwarded message: From: > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-= meetings-04.txt Date: January 12, 2017 at 8:43:31 AM EST To: Dan York >, " york@isoc.org" > A new version of I-D, draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt has been successfully submitted by Dan York and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings Revision: 04 Title: Thoughts on Completely Virtual IETF Meetings Document date: 2017-01-11 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 15 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-manycouches-comp= letely-virtual-meetings-04.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manycouches-complete= ly-virtual-meetings/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manycouches-completely-vi= rtual-meetings-04 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-manycouches-compl= etely-virtual-meetings-04 Abstract: This document captures initial thoughts about having IETF meetings that are completely virtual. It explores the issues involved with both a "planned" virtual meeting and an "emergency" virtual meeting. The intent is to evolve this document to provide answers to the questions posed throughout the text. This is currently a thought experiment. There are no current plans to hold a completely virtual IETF meeting. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat -- Dan York Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork http://www.internetsociety.org/ --_000_D1C04CF0820343BBB93B50CD6CF7FB6Cisocorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable manycouches team,

FYI, I've submitted a new version of the overall document b= ased on feedback from the Seoul meeting. The doc is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings/

My version in Github is at:

https://github.com/danyork/draft-= york-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings

Comments are naturally welcome,
Dan


Begin forwarded message:

From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Subject: New Version Notification = for draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt
Date: January 12, 2017 at 8:43:31 AM EST
To: Dan York <york@isoc.org>, " york@isoc.org" <york@isoc.org>


A new version of I-D, draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt<= br class=3D""> has been successfully submitted by Dan York and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-manycouche= s-completely-virtual-meetings
Revision: 0= 4
Title: Thoughts on Com= pletely Virtual IETF Meetings
Document date: 2017-01-11
Group: Individual Subm= ission
Pages: 15
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draf= t-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manycouches-completely-virt= ual-meetings/
Htmlized:       http= s://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-manycou= ches-completely-virtual-meetings-04

Abstract:
  This document captures initial thoughts about having IETF meeti= ngs
  that are completely virtual.  It explores the issues invol= ved with
  both a "planned" virtual meeting and an "emergen= cy" virtual meeting.
  The intent is to evolve this document to provide answers to the=
  questions posed throughout the text.  This is currently a = thought
  experiment.  There are no current plans to hold a complete= ly virtual
  IETF meeting.




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat


--
Dan York
Senior Content Strategist, Int= ernet Society
york@isoc.org   +1-802-735-1624
Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org 
Skype: danyork   http://twitter.com/danyork

http://www.internets= ociety.org/




--_000_D1C04CF0820343BBB93B50CD6CF7FB6Cisocorg_-- From nobody Mon Jan 30 08:32:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D152129531 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:32:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V7GyOj7c7vn8 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22d.google.com (mail-qk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5894C129550 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id s140so134938795qke.0 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:32:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QufAsA8t3AIF6WsHGyZedTtgebgJ2uJ9pael4iEdCDA=; b=V1sdE6l3W2XYjJ9zwz+Ptfuay3MaAh2m9mWw9FPZVXopUz8MzubmskddlwxDgBAG4Z IdNSkoc6Ddc22EJeMr4lKiy3ftg4IxohEDNcUVzNlgD2pHQUoYot6vFXMofre6wUyMIQ G7VfA5iJst7cFp5rHSNYCtO1YTr1k/0ubZS9teLG9FsUG6o+9k+6HHw7qLki1XjLIbRz fNi9L/9nIJeXsmf0CfY0dxQBfSORCwHrJh1HD9ZDr+brSEy9Ny51LeRlQJsXxxcVh++T ylAAqcvb/fHCnAoO1b7l5bouc30JvPl+t4GQrS5qd5cg8205LR1uBhhya9rHhuFyWvWj rhyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QufAsA8t3AIF6WsHGyZedTtgebgJ2uJ9pael4iEdCDA=; b=kNZDSsRuxB8AQRTBF8OqTfnp5EJjUrctU81sHhj26vawUwA1+zVw30iyWhuczAiNg4 UDfuMmRdO7WiYDQhiQIBdwYqNpiaOvZ6VOJVc1hTbf6mxXCVJQqInJonvgHPdgZvSPt3 B56Tc03ve6giIGUSocv5B/P+Cuv0RQ8Ez1foI+OTGSsb4DRlH+XLTA1u7F/4twNYBut8 MXxU5U7fH9ywlxJAPrw8g5EjL1RhX3j1n2bZZz7LgWx0vmZ8aeQTSV7Kn0CapqdD/JrT uawuy/+wXOAXNXEHa5AXCMeWdGPBMLrxq2mt3J13iTJtyZHvu+8GKkpyCwR5aQaVsbbq gzug== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXJxsUe3Sy/qP1wvQQgO8Py2UKitTtv+jq+yq/Xwg52TYfd2hiyOljdJTYozbSz18XD6OVn7npAjQRdUEA== X-Received: by 10.55.161.71 with SMTP id k68mr23526500qke.185.1485793930369; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:32:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.170.30 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:32:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <148422861194.19294.7055110454014498123.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 11:32:10 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dan York Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "manycouches@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Manycouches] FYI - new version capturing feedback from Seoul meeting... Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:32:14 -0000 Hi Dan, Thanks so much for pulling this together. Being able to handle larger scale remote attendance may become a reality for us quicker than we expected. I would not expect Chicago to be completely remote as the target of this draft, but I do think we'll get lower in-person attendance. I'll read through your draft, but think we may want to get serious on this effort focused on increased remote attendance. First, do others agree in this shift of focus? I was supposed to be pulling together something on interim meetings, but this seems more important. We also need to involve the NOC in our discussions or see where we can help them with their efforts. I can reach out and see which way we should plug in and report back to the team. I think it would be helpful to agree on a course of action before delving into one/many. Thanks, Kathleen On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Dan York wrote: > manycouches team, > > FYI, I've submitted a new version of the overall document based on feedback > from the Seoul meeting. The doc is at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings/ > > My version in Github is at: > > https://github.com/danyork/draft-york-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings > > Comments are naturally welcome, > Dan > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt > Date: January 12, 2017 at 8:43:31 AM EST > To: Dan York , " york@isoc.org" > > > A new version of I-D, draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt > has been successfully submitted by Dan York and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings > Revision: 04 > Title: Thoughts on Completely Virtual IETF Meetings > Document date: 2017-01-11 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 15 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings/ > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04 > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04 > > Abstract: > This document captures initial thoughts about having IETF meetings > that are completely virtual. It explores the issues involved with > both a "planned" virtual meeting and an "emergency" virtual meeting. > The intent is to evolve this document to provide answers to the > questions posed throughout the text. This is currently a thought > experiment. There are no current plans to hold a completely virtual > IETF meeting. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > > -- > Dan York > Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society > york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 > Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org > Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork > > http://www.internetsociety.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Mon Jan 30 09:23:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50372129571 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 09:23:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G1XZ8iQm5cnT for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 09:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22f.google.com (mail-qk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AAA81299A9 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 09:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id s140so136717223qke.0 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 09:23:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=46/2IZ1sanEnSuFrWLzB+FtcogyJICkA77XGfBM+Euo=; b=PWa7FqHH4m3RBxnPbH9t+e0wK+Ln1zgPKO9pJV16CzvQrrkyF7ULKgwyPHQJTx/1bP cTQCrqKbXnrXrro+SkdFYnG30SpCvULnSs2zMBEkkIrVr7ST4JODOq7WMBfCQarBZbhm 2sATOmlKm0n1nIlHlW5Ds/SznnSXmolc3cKIx5/XrTeAiRA/QGISnXT1oUxgU4YyjB9r ne/bJTwBTlQdr5mHVxDFbeS2hKI8qwpmjkDieyialUyCqjIvqrb706xjjT4zgBY96ZRN pRt1Zk41ITREYwvW0KrFrheFVMvsA5V+Go7i65I7sOugqOMEMouHn2F2QqYuvh+PvcrS Tt3A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=46/2IZ1sanEnSuFrWLzB+FtcogyJICkA77XGfBM+Euo=; b=MwyvRUwMJjbtgisCzH4wR0FH13S00xgHEiEdEoHSd3gKmMls0ABOF+ZLDqy/w1KO8X plmcumyeQm4txZkZEUZzFuk+FmhNHjriG24GWcxYLcAbCcf2nbBzjiJhfqivUrq+RdOc 05FM789KXG7rsCRJD9H7xOPDoSaNBgAo2dmwLu5WEdZyr5fKfAkv/2pW7xvGyv7+Ba8O loG2Jtce4tf6zLwFqHh54Eoq9Lq5El6h4beLJH25JjUSpX5w9OjpwyVExjpuoY44SyP7 5n6Z7KBBBKf0AwcTwdn0Ao6gJvgpeXH0Ba7U5oCBKu1cM3tRsmteBgwIbXz2oZFLsxNz lk4g== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXJZRMvxaj2aPDyIfpsAd6Ro6FO58zjBcy7YnRJZhqGvOP8HkdjNTlOd8Ur2PBSLU0wO0ghxcGBzcDaejA== X-Received: by 10.55.9.15 with SMTP id 15mr22571765qkj.118.1485796987734; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 09:23:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.170.30 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 09:23:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <148422861194.19294.7055110454014498123.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dan York Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "manycouches@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Manycouches] FYI - new version capturing feedback from Seoul meeting... Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 17:23:11 -0000 Hi All, If we switch gears to a meeting with increased virtual attendance, Dan's draft (just read it) is a good starting point to run through the considerations. I didn't see a section on directions/information/guidance for remote participants and think that will be important from the 2 meetings I attended remotely. I'm sure I mentioned it already, but the methods used to connect to sessions make a difference in your ability to participate if something goes wrong. I connect in with jabber before starting meetecho so I can fall back on jabber and the audio only. Not everyone would think to do this or to plan for something going wrong. I also reached out to Jim Martin who is already connected to this effort. If more NOC volunteers are needed to help, Jim will figure that out and we can add them to this list. If they have existing documentation of their considerations, we should review that prior to recreating any wheel, so let's give them a little time to share that with us. I'm wondering if a virtual meeting might help us get focused. The agenda could be to run through the sections outlined in Dan's draft with the focused changed to increased remote attendance. There are numerous known considerations that we should ack and try to plan for as well (plenary connections dropping, etc.). Thank you, Kathleen On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > Hi Dan, > > Thanks so much for pulling this together. Being able to handle larger > scale remote attendance may become a reality for us quicker than we > expected. I would not expect Chicago to be completely remote as the > target of this draft, but I do think we'll get lower in-person > attendance. I'll read through your draft, but think we may want to > get serious on this effort focused on increased remote attendance. > > First, do others agree in this shift of focus? I was supposed to be > pulling together something on interim meetings, but this seems more > important. We also need to involve the NOC in our discussions or see > where we can help them with their efforts. I can reach out and see > which way we should plug in and report back to the team. > > I think it would be helpful to agree on a course of action before > delving into one/many. > > Thanks, > Kathleen > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Dan York wrote: >> manycouches team, >> >> FYI, I've submitted a new version of the overall document based on feedback >> from the Seoul meeting. The doc is at: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings/ >> >> My version in Github is at: >> >> https://github.com/danyork/draft-york-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings >> >> Comments are naturally welcome, >> Dan >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: >> Subject: New Version Notification for >> draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt >> Date: January 12, 2017 at 8:43:31 AM EST >> To: Dan York , " york@isoc.org" >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Dan York and posted to the >> IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings >> Revision: 04 >> Title: Thoughts on Completely Virtual IETF Meetings >> Document date: 2017-01-11 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 15 >> URL: >> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04.txt >> Status: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings/ >> Htmlized: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04 >> Diff: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings-04 >> >> Abstract: >> This document captures initial thoughts about having IETF meetings >> that are completely virtual. It explores the issues involved with >> both a "planned" virtual meeting and an "emergency" virtual meeting. >> The intent is to evolve this document to provide answers to the >> questions posed throughout the text. This is currently a thought >> experiment. There are no current plans to hold a completely virtual >> IETF meeting. >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> >> >> -- >> Dan York >> Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society >> york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 >> Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org >> Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork >> >> http://www.internetsociety.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Manycouches mailing list >> Manycouches@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >> > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen -- Best regards, Kathleen