Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management-00.txt

From: "David Harrington" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:11:04 -0500

Hi,

inline. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:[email-masked]] 
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:41 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management-00.txt

> 
> I have read the document and here are some minor comments:
> 
> 1. the document is quite long. I know this is an easy comment as a 
>    reader and no so easy to address as an editor.
>    but we should realize that WG members who need to read this
>    as preparation for their protocol-to-be-developed will be 
>    less inclined to do so when the document is too long.

agreed. I can remove some redundancy, but otherwise I am not sure how
to shorten the document. Specific suggestions welcome.

One approach might be to move the discussion of existing protocols and
data models into a separate document. I can see that discussion being
ongoing as new protocols and data models are approved. I would like WG
feedback on this.

> 
> 2. Section 4.3.1
>  
>       [DISCUSS:: 'control plane' and 'data plane' are such slippery
>        terms that I think they need to be defined.]
> 
>    I don't think we need to define them We are not giving any hard
>    recommendations/requirements, just guidelines on how to think 
>    about these management aspects. In that context, I don't think
>    we need to be precise. So we can avoid many long discussions
>    to try to agree on an exact (or at least acceptable) definition.

I removed the discuss.

> 
> 3. Section 5.1 starts off with
>       SNMP [RFC3410] is a Full Standard 
>    Well, RFC3410 is Informational. I know that SNMP (Specifically
> SNMPv3)
>    is at IETF Full Standard level. But people who quickly check the 
>    rfc-index for RFC3410 might get confused.

fixed.
> 
> 4. Section 6.5
> 
> 
>      IPsec Security Policy IPsec Action MIB
>      [I-D.ietf-ipsp-ipsecaction-mib] defines a MIB module for
>      configuration of an IPsec action within the IPsec security
policy
>      database (SPD).  [TODO: this is not yet a PS, and has 
> dependencies
> on
>      a dead document?]
> 
>      IPsec Security Policy IKE Action MIB 
> [I-D.ietf-ipsp-ikeaction-mib]
>      defines a MIB module for configuration of an Internet 
> Key Exchange
>      (IKE) [RFC4306] action within the IPsec security policy
database
>      (SPD).  [TODO: this is not yet a PS, and has 
> dependencies on a dead
>      document?]
> 
>    These 2 MIB modules have been back and forth between MIB-doctor
> review
>    and new revision for many (3-4) years now (cycles are around a
year
>    at least). As far as I can tell, I do not see them making much
(if
>    any progress). SO I think we should not discuss them here at all.

removed.

> 
> Bert Wijnen 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:[email-masked]] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:00 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [OPS-AREA] FW:
> I-DACTION:draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management-00.txt 
> 
>  
> The Guidelines for operations and management of new protocols
document
> was submitted as OPSAWG I-D. Please use the OPSAWG list for 
> comments and
> discussions. 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:15 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: I-D 
> ACTION:draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management-00.txt 
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management 
> Area Working
> Group Working Group of the IETF.
> 
> 	Title		: Guidelines for Considering Operations and
> Management of New Protocols
> 	Author(s)	: D. Harrington
> 	Filename	:
> draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management-00.txt
> 	Pages		: 37
> 	Date		: 2007-9-19
> 	
> 
>    New protocols or protocol extensions are best designed with due
>    consideration of operations and management issues related to the
>    protocol.  Retrofitting operations and management 
> recommendations to
>    protocols is sub-optimal.  The purpose of this document is 
> to provide
>    guidance to authors of protocol documents about aspects to
consider
>    related to the operations and management that should be
considered
>    for inclusion in documents defining requirements or 
> functionality of
>    new protocols or protocol extensions.
> 
> 
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