Subject: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction

From: Alexander Mayrhofer <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:27:40 +0200

We are currently evaluating EPP to replace our email based provisioning 
system in our ccTLD registry (.at)

One of the (surprisingly few remaining) issues we encountered is that 
handles for our contact objects extend beyond the 16-character limit of EPP 
repository object id's (we have handles like "AMFR12011011-NICAT". We don't 
want to change or even drop the suffix on our object identifiers (because 
all of our registrars would have to do the same in their internal databases) 
so our only option now seems to go for either an extension of some kind, or 
to completely replace contact & domain mapping with our local mappings.

The different roid length would then be the only essential difference 
between stock and local mappings, so we'd like to avoid that.

Questions:

- Did any other registry operators already encounter this, or are we the 
only ones who use "oversized" handles (i can't believe that)?
- Should therefore the length restriction be extended (to eg. 32 characters) 
in the "refurbished" drafts to safely avoid such problems?

any comments appreciated.

Alex Mayrhofer
nic.at

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From: James Gould <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:09:21 -0400

Alex,

Are you referring to the length of the contact client id or the length of
the roid?  The clIDType is defined as:

  <simpleType name="clIDType">

        <restriction base="token">

            <minLength value="3"/>

            <maxLength value="16"/>

        </restriction>

    </simpleType>

The roidType is defined as:

  <simpleType name="roidType">

        <restriction base="token">

        <pattern value="(\w|_){1,80}-\w{1,8}"/>

        </restriction>

   </simpleType>

The EPP roidType supports your format, but the client id's would have to be
between 3 and 16 characters.  We didn't have a migration issue to deal with.
My recommendation is to use the prefix values (AMFR12011011) or something
else as the client id's and use the full object id (AMFR12011011-NICAT) as
the roid.  

-- 

JG 

James F. Gould
VeriSign Naming and Directory Services
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> From: Alexander Mayrhofer <[email-masked]>
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:27:40 +0200
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Subject: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction
> 
>

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From: Alexander Mayrhofer <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:52:02 +0200

> the roid?  The clIDType is defined as:

Scott, James,

please excuse my ignorance - i was indeed refering to the contact client id. 
  Thanks for your input.

cheers

axelm

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:52:02 +0200
From: Alexander Mayrhofer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
CC: James Gould <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction
Sender: [email-masked]

> the roid?  The clIDType is defined as:

Scott, James,

please excuse my ignorance - i was indeed refering to the contact client id. 
  Thanks for your input.

cheers

axelm

Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:09:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction
From: James Gould <[email-masked]>
To: Alexander Mayrhofer <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

Alex,

            <minLength value="3"/>

            <maxLength value="16"/>

        </restriction>

    </simpleType>

        </restriction>

   </simpleType>

-- 

JG 

James F. Gould

> any comments appreciated.

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Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:56:01 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: "Alexander Mayrhofer" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] 
> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Alexander Mayrhofer
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:28 AM
> To: [email-masked]

Alex, the local part of a repository object ID (ROID) can be up to 80
characters in length.  The IANA-registered repository identifier part of
the ROID is limited to 8 characters.  Here's the regex pattern from the
schema:

If you're instead talking about the <contact:id> element (the one with a
minimum length of 3 characters and a maximum length of 16 characters),
that's intended to be a slightly more human-friendly string.  It
shouldn't necessarily map to whatever local handles you're using given
that the ROID can be used for that purpose.  Are you not using the ROID?

-Scott-

Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:27:40 +0200
From: Alexander Mayrhofer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction
Sender: [email-masked]

Questions:

Alex Mayrhofer
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From: "Paula Beck" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Windows XP Pro $49.95, Office 2003 $69.95 Win XP
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:21:38 +0600

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:43:32 +0200
From: Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Organization: Dot And Co
Sender: [email-masked]

Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <[email-masked]> 2005-09-21 00:36
> > And when XML did not exist, what was normative in the RFC ? The text,
> > no ? :-)
> 
> During the drafting process Scott published the corresponding schema.

I was speaking about other RFCs, either not using XML at all, or
before XML existed and became widespread for protocols.

I know that I probably should have followed the well known rule that
the code (here the XML schema) is more authoritative than the
documentation (here the text), but I'm still a newbie here.
Of course, I have noone to blame, except me, and
I just hope things will be even better in the next iteration, with
this discrepancy removed so that my error will benefit others.

-- 
Patrick Mevzek
Dot and Co <http://www.dotandco.com/>

To: Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>
cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps 
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:06:12 -0400
From: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

> And when XML did not exist, what was normative in the RFC ? The text,
> no ? :-)

During the drafting process Scott published the corresponding schema.

Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:23:40 +0200
From: Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Organization: Dot And Co
Sender: [email-masked]

Michael Young <[email-masked]> 2005-09-21 00:08
> Scott looks like you have a significant group saying don't version - I will
> defer to the collective given that clearly no one wants the hassle of a
> version change.
> 
> Patrick I still think you have a point but it seems like not a strong enough
> one for this audience.      

I have no problem with that, and did not want to cause so much
trouble. I have read and implemented the
documents in one way, others in another. I will change my software to
accomodate both cases, and future version of documents will be more
clear, which will be a benefit for everyone. Sorry not to have
spotted this discrepancy way earlier, I'm kind of always late, and
sorry for the trouble.

Just for information:
> > All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional.  This 
> > is part of the error in 3731.  The schema correctly says they don't 
> > need to be there.  The text does.  The text is wrong.
> 
> Agree. Schema is normative.

And when XML did not exist, what was normative in the RFC ? The text,
no ? :-)

> >                                  It might indeed cause a problem for a 
> > server written to the old text.
> 
> A problem only for server(s) written (imprudently) to the (non-normative)
> text.

Since it is nowhere written that some part is less normative than
another, I believe it to be risky to say something is imprudent.
This is another reason for interoperability tests :-)

-- 
Patrick Mevzek
Dot and Co <http://www.dotandco.com/>

From: "Michael Young" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine'" <[email-masked]>, "'Hollenbeck, Scott'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "'Patrick Mevzek'" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps 
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:59:48 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]

Scott looks like you have a significant group saying don't version - I will
defer to the collective given that clearly no one wants the hassle of a
version change.

Patrick I still think you have a point but it seems like not a strong enough
one for this audience.      

Best

Michael Young

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On
Behalf Of Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:59 AM
To: Hollenbeck, Scott
Cc: Patrick Mevzek; [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps 

> All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional.  This 
> is part of the error in 3731.  The schema correctly says they don't 
> need to be there.  The text does.  The text is wrong.

Agree. Schema is normative.

>                                  It might indeed cause a problem for a 
> server written to the old text.

A problem only for server(s) written (imprudently) to the (non-normative)
text.

> My barometer for version change has always been schema change.

Agree.

Delta text, not version identifier and definitely not schema.

Cheers,

Eric

To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
cc: "Patrick Mevzek" <[email-masked]>, [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps 
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:58:44 -0400
From: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

> All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional.  This is
> part of the error in 3731.  The schema correctly says they don't need to
> be there.  The text does.  The text is wrong.

Agree. Schema is normative.

>                                  It might indeed cause a problem for a
> server written to the old text.

A problem only for server(s) written (imprudently) to the (non-normative)
text.

> My barometer for version change has always been schema change.

Agree.

Delta text, not version identifier and definitely not schema.

Cheers,

Eric

Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:55:25 -0400
To: <[email-masked]>
From: Edward Lewis <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Cc: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]

At 13:33 -0400 9/20/05, James Gould wrote:

>My vote is to leave the protocol version and schemas as is and change the
>specification text as proposed.

Ditto.  I talked it over with our coders and they agree with this.

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:18:15 -0400
From: Andrew Sullivan <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan <[email-masked]>
Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Sullivan <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 01:51:35PM -0400, Michael Young wrote:
> The biggest thing to avoid for everyone was having to run a dual protocol
> server but I don't see that this would be necessary with this version
> increment, given the nature of the changes.

Like Michael, I'm of two minds about the change; but I have doubts
about the claim above.  A version number change is an automatic
client-server incompatibility, if I understand the documents
correctly, so it will either require a flag day upgrade or some sort
of dual-protocol support.  For ICANN-regulated registries, the
decision might be made by the GNSO instead of the registry, too, so
there are some pretty powerful external reasons to prefer leaving the
version number alone.  (That doesn't mean that we should prefer it;
it's just a consideration.)

I think the most principled stand might come from the answer to the
question, "What part of the RFC is 'most normative'?"  If the XML
schema is definitive, and overrules the text where there is
disagreement, then we have an easy answer.  If the _text_ is
definitive, and the XML is mere formalization, then we have a harder
time.

Perhaps there are others who have more experience, and are aware of
cases where this sort of text/formalization inconsistency has been
solved before (and how).  I don't know of any precedents.

A

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From: "Michael Young" <[email-masked]>
To: "'James Gould'" <[email-masked]>, "'Hollenbeck, Scott'" <[email-masked]>, "'Patrick Mevzek'" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:51:35 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]

Well I am rather torn on the subject, on one hand I agree with James and
Janusz that it does entail more effort and is it worth it?  On the other
hand Patrick's argument that the change could break existing server/client
behavior hasn't been adequately refuted in my opinion.  

So Scott I guess I would say that the "safest" choice is to increment the
version number.  The changes required for existing server and client
implementations are trivial to conform with this version change.  As Janusz
stated, the changes in the documents are going to lead to server changes for
some implementers anyways.  

The biggest thing to avoid for everyone was having to run a dual protocol
server but I don't see that this would be necessary with this version
increment, given the nature of the changes.

Michael Young 
-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On
Behalf Of James Gould
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:34 PM
To: Hollenbeck, Scott; Patrick Mevzek; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps

In reviewing this thread, I don't believe there is a need for a protocol
version number change considering the lack of severity of this issue and the
impact of a version number change on existing implementations.  Bumping the
protocol version should be reserved for changes that require XML schema
updates.  

Technically the server should return an error with an empty update according
to the current specification, but in reality there is no real harm in the
server accepting an empty update since the net effect is that no change will
occur.  I don't know any client that would intentionally send an empty
update with the expectation of an error response.  The only time an empty
update is utilized is in support of new extension operations like the
restore request in RFC 3915.  Our implementation does allow for an empty
update to conform to the extension specifications, so the new text will
match our implementation.

My vote is to leave the protocol version and schemas as is and change the
specification text as proposed.

-- 

JG 

James F. Gould

> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:32:16 -0400
> To: Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>, 
> <[email-masked]>
> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email-masked]
>> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:34 AM
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
>> 
>> Hollenbeck, Scott <[email-masked]> 2005-09-20 16:14
>>>> There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among
>> which how to
>>>> fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it
>> seems worthwile
>>>> to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some 
>>>> servers will implement one version, and some will implement the 
>>>> other.
>>> 
>>> Given that the schemas have not changed, and the version numbers 
>>> identify the namespaces and schemas, I don't see the need
>> to increment
>>> the version numbers.  Anything that was working a certain way before 
>>> should continue to work the same way with the proposed text changes.
>> 
>> I believe not, or there is something I do not understand, so please 
>> correct me.
>> 
>> The current RFC, mandates something in domain:update, either add, rem 
>> or chg.
>> (btw the schema does not seem to reflect that if I read it correctly, 
>> as all three elements are in a sequence with minOccurs=0) For an 
>> extension, there is thus the need of an empty domain:chg with true 
>> changes in the extension part.
> 
> All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional.  This 
> is part of the error in 3731.  The schema correctly says they don't 
> need to be there.  The text does.  The text is wrong.
> 
> If a client send an empty element and an extension element as 
> described in the old text, the server should do nothing with the empty 
> element because the "real" update is described in the extension.  
> That's still the case with the new text, except that the new text now 
> accurately reflects what's in the schema.  It might indeed cause a 
> problem for a server written to the old text.
> 
>> Your third point in 3731bis states:
>> 3.  Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>,
>>     <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At
>>     least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element
>>     MUST be provided if the command is not being extended.  All of
>>     these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is
>>     present.".
>> 
>> This means to me that an empty domain:chg is not needed anymore in 
>> domain:update if there is an extension in use during the 
>> domain:update
> 
> Correct.  Sending one is a no-op; it's not needed.
> 
>> As examples, see RFC3915 :
>>    C:    <update>
>>    C:      <domain:update
>>    C:       xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0"
>>    C:       xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0
>>    C:       domain-1.0.xsd">
>>    C:        <domain:name>example.com</domain:name>
>>    C:        <domain:chg/>
>>    C:      </domain:update>
>>    C:    </update>
>>    C:    <extension>
>> [..]
>> 
>> and compare it to draft-hollenbeck-epp-secdns-08.txt :
>>    C:    <update>
>>    C:      <domain:update
>>    C:       xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0"
>>    C:       xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0
>>    C:       domain-1.0.xsd">
>>    C:        <domain:name>example.com</domain:name>
>>    C:      </domain:update>
>>    C:    </update>
>>    C:    <extension>
>> [..]
>> 
>> 
>> My current understanding is that RFC3915 is indeed correct related to 
>> the current RFC3731, and not secdns-08, but after the changes in 
>> rfc3731bis, secdns-08 is correct, and the empty domain:chg in rfc3915 
>> can be removed.
>> 
>> However in the mean time, a server using rfc3731 and enforcing the
>> rule:
>> "At least one <domain:add>,
>>     <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided."
>> will reject a change as done in the secdns-08 example.
> 
> It shouldn't necessarily reject the change.  There's an error in 3731 
> because the schema allows the element to be omitted and the text 
> doesn't.  This is clearly an inconsistency and I'll admit that a 
> version change might help isolate the inconsistency.
> 
>> So a client connecting to a RFC3731 or RFC3731bis server should act 
>> in two different ways, hence my request to be able to separate 
>> automatically those two cases.
> 
> Depends on if you implemented to the text or to the schema.  A server 
> implemented to the schema is unaffected.  It WILL, however, be 
> affected if we change the version number.
> 
> My barometer for version change has always been schema change.  Change 
> the schema, change the version number.  This situation presents a bit 
> of a problem, though, because the text change can definitely have an 
> impact on server software that deals with extensions.
> 
> I don't know which solution is appropriate in this case, so I'll ask:
> what would be the impact to existing extension implementations if the 
> domain, host, and contact version numbers were incremented?  What 
> would other implementers prefer to do?
> 
> -Scott-
> 
> 

Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:33:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
From: James Gould <[email-masked]>
To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>, Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

In reviewing this thread, I don't believe there is a need for a protocol
version number change considering the lack of severity of this issue and the
impact of a version number change on existing implementations.  Bumping the
protocol version should be reserved for changes that require XML schema
updates.  

Technically the server should return an error with an empty update according
to the current specification, but in reality there is no real harm in the
server accepting an empty update since the net effect is that no change will
occur.  I don't know any client that would intentionally send an empty
update with the expectation of an error response.  The only time an empty
update is utilized is in support of new extension operations like the
restore request in RFC 3915.  Our implementation does allow for an empty
update to conform to the extension specifications, so the new text will
match our implementation.

My vote is to leave the protocol version and schemas as is and change the
specification text as proposed.

-- 

JG 

James F. Gould

> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:32:16 -0400
> To: Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email-masked]
>> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:34 AM
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
>> 
>> Hollenbeck, Scott <[email-masked]> 2005-09-20 16:14
>>>> There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among
>> which how to
>>>> fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it
>> seems worthwile
>>>> to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some
>>>> servers will implement one version, and some will implement the
>>>> other.
>>> 
>>> Given that the schemas have not changed, and the version numbers
>>> identify the namespaces and schemas, I don't see the need
>> to increment
>>> the version numbers.  Anything that was working a certain way before
>>> should continue to work the same way with the proposed text changes.
>> 
>> I believe not, or there is something I do not understand, so please
>> correct me.
>> 
>> The current RFC, mandates something in domain:update, either add, rem
>> or chg.
>> (btw the schema does not seem to reflect that if I read it correctly,
>> as all three elements are in a sequence with minOccurs=0)
>> For an extension, there is thus the need of an empty domain:chg with
>> true changes in the extension part.
> 
> All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional.  This is
> part of the error in 3731.  The schema correctly says they don't need to
> be there.  The text does.  The text is wrong.
> 
> If a client send an empty element and an extension element as described
> in the old text, the server should do nothing with the empty element
> because the "real" update is described in the extension.  That's still
> the case with the new text, except that the new text now accurately
> reflects what's in the schema.  It might indeed cause a problem for a
> server written to the old text.
> 
>> Your third point in 3731bis states:
>> 3.  Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>,
>>     <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At
>>     least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element
>>     MUST be provided if the command is not being extended.  All of
>>     these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is
>>     present.".
>> 
>> This means to me that an empty domain:chg is not needed anymore in
>> domain:update if there is an extension in use during the
>> domain:update
> 
> Correct.  Sending one is a no-op; it's not needed.
> 
>> As examples, see RFC3915 :
>>    C:    <update>
>>    C:      <domain:update
>>    C:       xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0"
>>    C:       xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0
>>    C:       domain-1.0.xsd">
>>    C:        <domain:name>example.com</domain:name>
>>    C:        <domain:chg/>
>>    C:      </domain:update>
>>    C:    </update>
>>    C:    <extension>
>> [..]
>> 
>> and compare it to draft-hollenbeck-epp-secdns-08.txt :
>>    C:    <update>
>>    C:      <domain:update
>>    C:       xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0"
>>    C:       xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0
>>    C:       domain-1.0.xsd">
>>    C:        <domain:name>example.com</domain:name>
>>    C:      </domain:update>
>>    C:    </update>
>>    C:    <extension>
>> [..]
>> 
>> 
>> My current understanding is that RFC3915 is indeed correct related to
>> the current RFC3731, and not secdns-08, but after the changes in
>> rfc3731bis, secdns-08 is correct, and the empty domain:chg in rfc3915
>> can be removed.
>> 
>> However in the mean time, a server using rfc3731 and enforcing the
>> rule:
>> "At least one <domain:add>,
>>     <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided."
>> will reject a change as done in the secdns-08 example.
> 
> It shouldn't necessarily reject the change.  There's an error in 3731
> because the schema allows the element to be omitted and the text
> doesn't.  This is clearly an inconsistency and I'll admit that a version
> change might help isolate the inconsistency.
> 
>> So a client connecting to a RFC3731 or RFC3731bis server should act
>> in two different ways, hence my request to be able to separate
>> automatically those two cases.
> 
> Depends on if you implemented to the text or to the schema.  A server
> implemented to the schema is unaffected.  It WILL, however, be affected
> if we change the version number.
> 
> My barometer for version change has always been schema change.  Change
> the schema, change the version number.  This situation presents a bit of
> a problem, though, because the text change can definitely have an impact
> on server software that deals with extensions.
> 
> I don't know which solution is appropriate in this case, so I'll ask:
> what would be the impact to existing extension implementations if the
> domain, host, and contact version numbers were incremented?  What would
> other implementers prefer to do?
> 
> -Scott-
> 
> 

Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:20:39 -0400
From: janusz <[email-masked]>
To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
CC: Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Sender: [email-masked]

Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:

>My barometer for version change has always been schema change.  Change
>the schema, change the version number.  This situation presents a bit of
>a problem, though, because the text change can definitely have an impact
>on server software that deals with extensions.
>  
>

Impact on EPP clients could be used as addtional measurement tool for 
version number changes.  EPP client implementations should outnumber 
server implementations by very wide margin.

>I don't know which solution is appropriate in this case, so I'll ask:
>what would be the impact to existing extension implementations if the
>domain, host, and contact version numbers were incremented?  What would
>other implementers prefer to do?
>
>
>  
>
Impact on existing client EPP implementations can be avoided or limited 
if version number stays the same. If version number is upgraded then 
client changes are necessary.

Server changes are required regardless whether version is upgraded or 
not. The scope of server changes is larger in case when version number 
is incremented.

Cheers,

Janusz Sienkiewicz

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Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:32:16 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: "Patrick Mevzek" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] 
> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
> 
> Hollenbeck, Scott <[email-masked]> 2005-09-20 16:14
> > > There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among 
> which how to
> > > fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it 
> seems worthwile
> > > to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some
> > > servers will implement one version, and some will implement the
> > > other.
> > 
> > Given that the schemas have not changed, and the version numbers
> > identify the namespaces and schemas, I don't see the need 
> to increment
> > the version numbers.  Anything that was working a certain way before
> > should continue to work the same way with the proposed text changes.
> 
> I believe not, or there is something I do not understand, so please
> correct me.
> 
> The current RFC, mandates something in domain:update, either add, rem
> or chg.
> (btw the schema does not seem to reflect that if I read it correctly,
> as all three elements are in a sequence with minOccurs=0)
> For an extension, there is thus the need of an empty domain:chg with
> true changes in the extension part.

All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional.  This is
part of the error in 3731.  The schema correctly says they don't need to
be there.  The text does.  The text is wrong.

If a client send an empty element and an extension element as described
in the old text, the server should do nothing with the empty element
because the "real" update is described in the extension.  That's still
the case with the new text, except that the new text now accurately
reflects what's in the schema.  It might indeed cause a problem for a
server written to the old text.

> Your third point in 3731bis states:
> 3.  Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>,
>     <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At
>     least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element
>     MUST be provided if the command is not being extended.  All of
>     these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is
>     present.".
> 
> This means to me that an empty domain:chg is not needed anymore in
> domain:update if there is an extension in use during the
> domain:update

Correct.  Sending one is a no-op; it's not needed.

> As examples, see RFC3915 :
>    C:    <update>
>    C:      <domain:update
>    C:       xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0"
>    C:       xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0
>    C:       domain-1.0.xsd">
>    C:        <domain:name>example.com</domain:name>
>    C:        <domain:chg/>
>    C:      </domain:update>
>    C:    </update>
>    C:    <extension>
> [..]
> 
> and compare it to draft-hollenbeck-epp-secdns-08.txt :
>    C:    <update>
>    C:      <domain:update
>    C:       xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0"
>    C:       xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0
>    C:       domain-1.0.xsd">
>    C:        <domain:name>example.com</domain:name>
>    C:      </domain:update>
>    C:    </update>
>    C:    <extension>
> [..]
> 
> 
> My current understanding is that RFC3915 is indeed correct related to
> the current RFC3731, and not secdns-08, but after the changes in
> rfc3731bis, secdns-08 is correct, and the empty domain:chg in rfc3915
> can be removed.
> 
> However in the mean time, a server using rfc3731 and enforcing the
> rule:
> "At least one <domain:add>,
>     <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided."
> will reject a change as done in the secdns-08 example.

It shouldn't necessarily reject the change.  There's an error in 3731
because the schema allows the element to be omitted and the text
doesn't.  This is clearly an inconsistency and I'll admit that a version
change might help isolate the inconsistency.

> So a client connecting to a RFC3731 or RFC3731bis server should act
> in two different ways, hence my request to be able to separate
> automatically those two cases.

Depends on if you implemented to the text or to the schema.  A server
implemented to the schema is unaffected.  It WILL, however, be affected
if we change the version number.

My barometer for version change has always been schema change.  Change
the schema, change the version number.  This situation presents a bit of
a problem, though, because the text change can definitely have an impact
on server software that deals with extensions.

I don't know which solution is appropriate in this case, so I'll ask:
what would be the impact to existing extension implementations if the
domain, host, and contact version numbers were incremented?  What would
other implementers prefer to do?

-Scott-

Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:33:30 +0200
From: Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Organization: Dot And Co
Sender: [email-masked]

Hollenbeck, Scott <[email-masked]> 2005-09-20 16:14
> > There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among which how to
> > fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it seems worthwile
> > to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some
> > servers will implement one version, and some will implement the
> > other.
> 
> Given that the schemas have not changed, and the version numbers
> identify the namespaces and schemas, I don't see the need to increment
> the version numbers.  Anything that was working a certain way before
> should continue to work the same way with the proposed text changes.

I believe not, or there is something I do not understand, so please
correct me.

The current RFC, mandates something in domain:update, either add, rem
or chg.
(btw the schema does not seem to reflect that if I read it correctly,
as all three elements are in a sequence with minOccurs=0)
For an extension, there is thus the need of an empty domain:chg with
true changes in the extension part.

Your third point in 3731bis states:
3.  Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>,
    <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At
    least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element
    MUST be provided if the command is not being extended.  All of
    these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is
    present.".

This means to me that an empty domain:chg is not needed anymore in
domain:update if there is an extension in use during the
domain:update

As examples, see RFC3915 :
   C:    <update>
   C:      <domain:update
   C:       xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0"
   C:       xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0
   C:       domain-1.0.xsd">
   C:        <domain:name>example.com</domain:name>
   C:        <domain:chg/>
   C:      </domain:update>
   C:    </update>
   C:    <extension>
[..]

and compare it to draft-hollenbeck-epp-secdns-08.txt :
   C:    <update>
   C:      <domain:update
   C:       xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0"
   C:       xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0
   C:       domain-1.0.xsd">
   C:        <domain:name>example.com</domain:name>
   C:      </domain:update>
   C:    </update>
   C:    <extension>
[..]

My current understanding is that RFC3915 is indeed correct related to
the current RFC3731, and not secdns-08, but after the changes in
rfc3731bis, secdns-08 is correct, and the empty domain:chg in rfc3915
can be removed.

However in the mean time, a server using rfc3731 and enforcing the
rule:
"At least one <domain:add>,
    <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided."
will reject a change as done in the secdns-08 example.

So a client connecting to a RFC3731 or RFC3731bis server should act
in two different ways, hence my request to be able to separate
automatically those two cases.

-- 
Patrick Mevzek
Dot and Co <http://www.dotandco.com/>

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Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:52:49 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: "Patrick Mevzek" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] 
> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:35 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted
> 
> Hollenbeck, Scott <[email-masked]> 2005-09-09 20:31
> > 3.  Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>,
> >     <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At
> >     least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element
> >     MUST be provided if the command is not being extended.  All of
> >     these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is
> >     present.".
> 
> After this goes in, should the RFC3915 also be updated, as section
> 4.2.5.  EPP <update> Command
> currently has:
>    Section 3.2.5 of the EPP domain mapping describes the elements
>    that have to be specified within an <update> command.  The 
> requirement
>    to provide at least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg>
>    element is updated by this extension such that at least one empty
>    <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be
>    present if this extension is specified within an <update> 
> command.  This
>    requirement is updated to disallow the possibility of modifying a
>    domain object as part of redemption grace period recovery
>    processing.
> 
> 
> If I understand everything correctly, an empty <domain:update> should
> be enough ?

Correct.

-Scott-

Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:35:29 +0200
From: Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted
Organization: Dot And Co
Sender: [email-masked]

Hollenbeck, Scott <[email-masked]> 2005-09-09 20:31
> 3.  Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>,
>     <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At
>     least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element
>     MUST be provided if the command is not being extended.  All of
>     these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is
>     present.".

After this goes in, should the RFC3915 also be updated, as section
4.2.5.  EPP <update> Command
currently has:
   Section 3.2.5 of the EPP domain mapping describes the elements
   that have to be specified within an <update> command.  The requirement
   to provide at least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg>
   element is updated by this extension such that at least one empty
   <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be
   present if this extension is specified within an <update> command.  This
   requirement is updated to disallow the possibility of modifying a
   domain object as part of redemption grace period recovery
   processing.

If I understand everything correctly, an empty <domain:update> should
be enough ?

-- 
Patrick Mevzek
Dot and Co <http://www.dotandco.com/>

Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:27:49 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: "Patrick Mevzek" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] 
> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:50 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Sorry not to have responded earlier.
> 
> Hollenbeck, Scott <[email-masked]> 2005-09-13 19:02
> > 1. I need to make a minor edit to the contact (3733bis) and host
> > (3732bis) documents to fix one last <poll> use description. 
>  I described
> > that fix here [1].  I also need to add a sentence to 
> 3730bis (EPP core)
> > to note that it obsoletes 3730.  The references in 3731bis 
> (domain) will
> > need to be updated if 3732bis and 3733bis change.  These 
> are the last
> > needed document changes I'm aware of.
> 
> I think it would be good if these new versions got a 1.1 value in the
> <version> tag during server greeting as opposed to 1.0 for the
> current RFCs.
> 
> There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among which how to
> fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it seems worthwile
> to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some
> servers will implement one version, and some will implement the
> other.

Given that the schemas have not changed, and the version numbers
identify the namespaces and schemas, I don't see the need to increment
the version numbers.  Anything that was working a certain way before
should continue to work the same way with the proposed text changes.

-Scott-

Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:50:16 +0200
From: Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Organization: Dot And Co
Sender: [email-masked]

Hello,

Sorry not to have responded earlier.

Hollenbeck, Scott <[email-masked]> 2005-09-13 19:02
> 1. I need to make a minor edit to the contact (3733bis) and host
> (3732bis) documents to fix one last <poll> use description.  I described
> that fix here [1].  I also need to add a sentence to 3730bis (EPP core)
> to note that it obsoletes 3730.  The references in 3731bis (domain) will
> need to be updated if 3732bis and 3733bis change.  These are the last
> needed document changes I'm aware of.

I think it would be good if these new versions got a 1.1 value in the
<version> tag during server greeting as opposed to 1.0 for the
current RFCs.

There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among which how to
fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it seems worthwile
to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some
servers will implement one version, and some will implement the
other.

> 2. There are a couple of ways we can create an interop report.  We can
> start with a template that we ask implementers to complete to describe
> their client and server implementation and test experiences.  We can
> also try to schedule a more-or-less "formal" interop event for people to
> test their clients with other participant's servers and vice-versa using
> an agreed-upon script.  This would require that participants set up
> accessible test rigs, but the end results would be more compelling.
> 
> I'd prefer the latter, though I know it's more hands-on work.  What do
> other implementers think?

As I said previously [1], I'm willing to participate in any interop
effort by putting on the table an opensource RRP/EPP implementation
(which will, btw, in the next version, add 3 EPP extensions: E164,
SecDNS and Nsgroup).

I'm not sure to be able to travel to remote locations for IETF/ICANN
meetings, so if things can be taken mostly online, this would have my
preference. This would be my first IETF interoperability tests
participation, so count me as a newbie in this activity :-)

Patrick.

[1] http://www.cafax.se/ietf-provreg/maillist/2005-08/msg00039.html

-- 
Patrick Mevzek <[email-masked]>
Dot and Co <http://www.dotandco.com/>

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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:31:19 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: FROM: ANTHONY ELUMELU
Bcc:

FROM: ANTHONY ELUMELU
STANDARD TRUST BANK NIGERIA PLC
HEAD OFFICE: STANDARD PLACE
Plot 1662, Oyin Jolayemi Street 
Victoria Island, 
Lagos, Nigeria
Email: [email-masked] 

Dear Friend,

My name is ANTHONY ELUMELU, the Managing Director of STANDARD TRUST 
BANK PLC. I am using this medium to solicite for your assistant 
regarding FUND TRANSFER ABROAD. At my disposal, I have an over-invoiced 
sum of $25m USD (Twenty Five Million United State Dollars) which can 
only be claim by a foreigner. This fund came as a result of over-
invoiced cost of the Rehabilitation and Renovation of Passport 
Immigration Offices in Lagos, handled by a German Contractor WOLFGANG 
POHL ENGINEERING GMBH, GERMANY; and after receiving payment, the left 
over could only be claim by an alien citizen. Hence, I want you to make 
this claim so that the fund could be release to your chosen account 
abroad where I will join you for onward disbursement. I have all the 
necessary certified back-up documentations that will prove you as the 
ownership of the fund. You will be receiving 35% of the said fund for 
your assistance, 60% will be mine as the initiator of this business 
while 5% will be use for any expenses that may be incur as this 
transaction progresses either from telephone bills or fax messages.
As soon as you receive this message, indicated your interest by sending 
me your telephone and fax number through my direct email 
[email-masked] for effective communication.
I look forward working with you.

Best regards,
MR. ANTHONY ELUMELU
MD (STB)   
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Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:24:23 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: "Michael Young" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Young [mailto:[email-masked]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:19 AM
> To: Hollenbeck, Scott; [email-masked]
> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
> 
> I think the second option would be desirable Scott, but just 
> to clarify what
> you had in mind,....I assume you mean a testbed that 
> demonstrates compliance
> with the core RFC's and not, for example, 3915.

Correct.  3915 and other extension documents like 4114 have to go
through the same process to advance, but those documents have normative
dependencies on the "core" object mappings.  We have to do these first.

> We could hold a meeting at the next IETF meeting to organize 
> how we would do
> this with interested participants.

We could.  It might also be worth talking about at a CENTR or ICANN
meeting if other implementers can be found there.

-Scott-

From: "Michael Young" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Hollenbeck, Scott'" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:18:51 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]

I think the second option would be desirable Scott, but just to clarify what
you had in mind,....I assume you mean a testbed that demonstrates compliance
with the core RFC's and not, for example, 3915.

We could hold a meeting at the next IETF meeting to organize how we would do
this with interested participants. 

Michael Young 
-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On
Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Scott
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:03 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps

Now that all of the EPPbis -00 drafts are published, we need to think about
what we do with them.  In addition, moving EPP to Draft Standard status
requires completion of an interoperability report for the protocol.  Here's
my take on needed next steps:

1. I need to make a minor edit to the contact (3733bis) and host
(3732bis) documents to fix one last <poll> use description.  I described
that fix here [1].  I also need to add a sentence to 3730bis (EPP core) to
note that it obsoletes 3730.  The references in 3731bis (domain) will need
to be updated if 3732bis and 3733bis change.  These are the last needed
document changes I'm aware of.

2. There are a couple of ways we can create an interop report.  We can start
with a template that we ask implementers to complete to describe their
client and server implementation and test experiences.  We can also try to
schedule a more-or-less "formal" interop event for people to test their
clients with other participant's servers and vice-versa using an agreed-upon
script.  This would require that participants set up accessible test rigs,
but the end results would be more compelling.

I'd prefer the latter, though I know it's more hands-on work.  What do other
implementers think?

-Scott-

[1]
http://www.cafax.se/ietf-provreg/maillist/2005-09/msg00007.html

Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:03:09 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

Now that all of the EPPbis -00 drafts are published, we need to think
about what we do with them.  In addition, moving EPP to Draft Standard
status requires completion of an interoperability report for the
protocol.  Here's my take on needed next steps:

1. I need to make a minor edit to the contact (3733bis) and host
(3732bis) documents to fix one last <poll> use description.  I described
that fix here [1].  I also need to add a sentence to 3730bis (EPP core)
to note that it obsoletes 3730.  The references in 3731bis (domain) will
need to be updated if 3732bis and 3733bis change.  These are the last
needed document changes I'm aware of.

2. There are a couple of ways we can create an interop report.  We can
start with a template that we ask implementers to complete to describe
their client and server implementation and test experiences.  We can
also try to schedule a more-or-less "formal" interop event for people to
test their clients with other participant's servers and vice-versa using
an agreed-upon script.  This would require that participants set up
accessible test rigs, but the end results would be more compelling.

I'd prefer the latter, though I know it's more hands-on work.  What do
other implementers think?

-Scott-

[1]
http://www.cafax.se/ietf-provreg/maillist/2005-09/msg00007.html

From: "Michael Young" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Hollenbeck, Scott'" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:48:02 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]

Scott so far these changes look like they address the raised issues.

Thank you for the effort, its much appreciated. 

Michael Young 
-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On
Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Scott
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:28 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted

I just sent the -00 version of 3731bis to the I-D administrator for
publication.  Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix A:

1.  Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format
    from nroff to XML.

2.  Removed this text from Section 2.3:

    "With one exception, transform commands MUST be rejected when a
    pendingCreate, pendingDelete, pendingRenew, pendingTransfer, or
    pendingUpdate status is set.  The only exception is that a
    <transfer> command to approve, reject, or cancel a transfer MAY
    be processed while an object is in "pendingTransfer" status."

3.  Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>,
    <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At
    least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element
    MUST be provided if the command is not being extended.  All of
    these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is
    present.".

4.  Renumbered old section 3.2.6 to new section 3.3.

5.  Changed text in Section 3.3 (old Section 3.2.6) from this:

    "The server operator reviews the request offline, and informs the
    client of the outcome of the review by queuing a service message
    for retrieval via the <poll> command."

    to this:

    "The server operator reviews the request offline, and informs the
    client of the outcome of the review by either queuing a service
    message for retrieval via the <poll> command or by using an out-
    of-band mechanism to inform the client of the request."

6.  Updated EPP and XML references.

I need to make a change to 3732bis and 3733bis to deal with the same text as
described above in item #5, but I'll do that after giving people some time
to read the documents and check them again.

I believe this set of updates (3730bis - 3734bis) captures all of the
changes that the members of this mailing list have agreed to.  Please let me
know if something has been missed.

-Scott-

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Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:27:45 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

I just sent the -00 version of 3731bis to the I-D administrator for
publication.  Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix A:

1.  Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format
    from nroff to XML.

2.  Removed this text from Section 2.3:

    "With one exception, transform commands MUST be rejected when a
    pendingCreate, pendingDelete, pendingRenew, pendingTransfer, or
    pendingUpdate status is set.  The only exception is that a
    <transfer> command to approve, reject, or cancel a transfer MAY
    be processed while an object is in "pendingTransfer" status."

3.  Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>,
    <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At
    least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element
    MUST be provided if the command is not being extended.  All of
    these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is
    present.".

4.  Renumbered old section 3.2.6 to new section 3.3.

5.  Changed text in Section 3.3 (old Section 3.2.6) from this:

    "The server operator reviews the request offline, and informs the
    client of the outcome of the review by queuing a service message
    for retrieval via the <poll> command."

    to this:

    "The server operator reviews the request offline, and informs the
    client of the outcome of the review by either queuing a service
    message for retrieval via the <poll> command or by using an out-
    of-band mechanism to inform the client of the request."

6.  Updated EPP and XML references.

I need to make a change to 3732bis and 3733bis to deal with the same
text as described above in item #5, but I'll do that after giving people
some time to read the documents and check them again.

I believe this set of updates (3730bis - 3734bis) captures all of the
changes that the members of this mailing list have agreed to.  Please
let me know if something has been missed.

-Scott-

Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3734bis Submitted
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:14:33 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

I just sent the -00 version of 3734bis to the I-D administrator for
publication.  Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix A:

1.  Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format
    from nroff to XML.

2.  Updated EPP references.

-Scott-

Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3733bis Submitted
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:13:53 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

I just sent the -00 version of 3733bis to the I-D administrator for
publication.  Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix A:

1.  Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format
    from nroff to XML.

2.  Removed this text from Section 2.2:

    "With one exception, transform commands MUST be rejected when a
    pendingCreate, pendingDelete, pendingTransfer, or pendingUpdate
    status is set.  The only exception is that a <transfer> command
    to approve, reject, or cancel a transfer MAY be processed while
    an object is in "pendingTransfer" status."

3.  Fixed examples in section 2.9 (added missing "/" characters).

4.  Fixed the example response in Section 3.2.4 to use the correct
    response code and response text.

5.  Changed text in Section 3.2.5 from "At least one <contact:add>,
    <contact:rem>, or <contact:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At
    least one <contact:add>, <contact:rem>, or <contact:chg> element
    MUST be provided if the command is not being extended.  All of
    these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is
    present.".

6.  Updated EPP and XML references.

-Scott-

Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3732bis Submitted
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:12:14 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

I just sent the -00 version of 3732bis to the I-D administrator for
publication.  Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix A:

1.  Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format
    from nroff to XML.

2.  Removed this text from Section 2.3:

    "Transform commands MUST be rejected when a pendingCreate,
    pendingDelete, pendingTransfer, or pendingUpdate status is set."

3.  Changed text in Section 3.2.2 from this:

    "A host name object MUST NOT be deleted if the host object is
    associated with any other object.  For example, if the host
    object is associated with a domain object, the host object MUST
    NOT be deleted until the existing association has been broken."

    to this:

    "A host name object SHOULD NOT be deleted if the host object is
    associated with any other object.  For example, if the host
    object is associated with a domain object, the host object SHOULD
    NOT be deleted until the existing association has been broken.
    Deleting a host object without first breaking existing
    associations can cause DNS resolution failure for domain objects
    that refer to the deleted host object."

4.  Changed text in Section 3.2.5 from "At least one <host:add>,
    <host:rem>, or <host:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At least
    one <host:add>, <host:rem>, or <host:chg> element MUST be
    provided if the command is not being extended.  All of these
    elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is present.".

5.  Updated EPP and XML references.

-Scott-

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Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:32:27 -0400
To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
From: Edward Lewis <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] 3730 <poll> Text Change Proposal
Cc: "Edward Lewis" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

At 9:23 -0400 8/29/05, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:

>OK, so how about this:
>
>OLD (section 2.9.2.3):
>Service messages MUST be created for all clients affected by an action
>on an object.  For example, <transfer> actions MUST be reported to both
>the client that requests an object transfer and the client that has the
>authority to approve or reject the transfer request.
>
>NEW:
>Service messages SHOULD be created for passive clients affected by an
>action on an object.  Service messages MAY also be created for active
>clients that request an action on an object, though such messages MUST
>NOT replace the normal protocol response to the request.  For example,
><transfer> actions SHOULD be reported to the client that has the
>authority to approve or reject a transfer request.  Other methods of
>server-client action notification, such as offline reporting, are also
>possible and are beyond the scope of this specification.

Looks good to me...(I see the next version is out, so maybe a "late" reply.)
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NeuStar

If you knew what I was thinking, you'd understand what I was saying.

Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3730bis Submitted
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:24:07 -0400
From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]

I just sent the -00 version of 3730bis to the I-D administrator for
publication.  Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix C:

1.  Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format
    from nroff to XML.

2.  Removed the last paragraph from Section 2 that described an error
    in the XML specification.  This was corrected in a later edition.
    References in this specification have been updated to cite the
    most current version.  Preserved the last sentence by appending
    it to the end of the previous paragraph.

3.  Changed text in Section 2.9.2.3 from this:

    "Service messages MUST be created for all clients affected by an
    action on an object.  For example, <transfer> actions MUST be
    reported to both the client that requests an object transfer and
    the client that has the authority to approve or reject the
    transfer request."

    to this:

    "Service messages SHOULD be created for passive clients affected
    by an action on an object.  Service messages MAY also be created
    for active clients that request an action on an object, though
    such messages MUST NOT replace the normal protocol response to
    the request.  For example, <transfer> actions SHOULD be reported
    to the client that has the authority to approve or reject a
    transfer request.  Other methods of server-client action
    notification, such as offline reporting, are also possible and
    are beyond the scope of this specification."

4.  Changed text in Section 2.9.2.3 from this:

    "A <poll> acknowledgement response notes the number of messages
    remaining in the queue and the ID of the next message available
    for retrieval."

    to this:

    "A <poll> acknowledgement response notes the ID of the message
    that has been acknowledged and the number of messages remaining
    in the queue."

    Fixed the example to note the correct message ID.

5.  Changed text in Section 2.9.3.4 from this:

    "Once a transfer request has been received by the server, the
    server MUST notify the current sponsoring client of the requested
    transfer by queuing a service message for retrieval via the
    <poll> command."

    to this:

    "Once a transfer request has been received by the server, the
    server MUST notify the current sponsoring client of the requested
    transfer by either queuing a service message for retrieval via
    the <poll> command or by using an out-of-band mechanism to inform
    the client of the request."

6.  Updated XML references.

7.  Moved RFCs 2781 and 3375 (Informational RFCs) from the normative
    reference section to the informative reference section.

Other document updates are being worked on and will be submitted after
3730bis hits the archives.

-Scott-