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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frederico A C Neves [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:54 AM
> To: Hollenbeck, Scott
> Cc: [email-masked]; Alexey Melnikov
> Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP Implementation Report Help Needed
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 08:21:48AM -0400, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:
> ...
> > Asking again as I haven't seen any replies. I *really*
> need some help
> > from two client-side implementers. Ed Lewis is looking into the
> > NeuStar server implementation. I've sent a note to Ram Mohan of
> > Afilias and I'm waiting for a response from him as well.
> >
> > If there's anyone from either Key Systems or DotRegistrar
> that's still
> > reading this list, would you please get back to me? Info from any
> > other clients would also be useful, so please - if you're a
> > client-side implementer, I could really use your help!
>
> We could help with our client[1]

Thanks, Fred! It largely boils down to one question: does your client
verify the identity presented in the certificate it receives from the
server as part of the TLS negotiation? The specific checks are
described in 4934bis.

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Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP Implementation Report Help Needed
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Hi all,

I completed a third year project in 2007 on ENUM the results of which
are a research report and a half finished provisoning tool. The tool
was never finshed due to the lack of a repository to test against, but
it took the form of an J2EE ear apllication with a web interface for
the user. I have since considerd revisiting this project and finishing
the implementation. I dont know if this is any use to you, since I
think you are after feedback from a working implementation, however I
would gladly give you the research report if it would help. If there
is a need for another provisioning tool to complement existing
solutions, I would be willing to reopen the project and provide one. I
would need help from the community to establish what they would like
from a tool.

I don't if any of this useful to you, but there it is anyway.

Regards,

James Cranwell-Ward

On 28 Jul 2009, at 13:21, "Hollenbeck, Scott"
wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email-masked]
>> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Scott
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:24 AM
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Cc: Alexey Melnikov
>> Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP Implementation Report Help Needed
>>
>> At the IESG's request, I need to find a few volunteers that
>> are willing to describe their EPP client implementation
>> experience as part of an effort to update the existing
>> implementation report for the protocol.
>> I've been asked to confirm that clients and servers are
>> performing additional certificate identity validation steps
>> that are described in 4934bis [1]. Both of the clients used
>> in the original report (Key Systems and DotRegistrar) appear
>> to be unreachable now, so I need to find others to complete
>> the matrix.
>>
>> I need to find two independently-developed client and server
>> implementations that can confirm that they are performing the
>> checks and that everything works OK. I'll take care of
>> updating the report.
>>
>> Can anyone help?
>>
>> -Scott-
>>
>> [1] See section 9 of 4934bis, "the EPP client MUST check its
>> understanding of the server server name/IP address against
>> the server's identity as presented in the server Certificate
>> message in order to prevent man-in-the-middle attacks". The
>> need is to confirm that both clients and servers are
>> validating each other's identity as described in the new
>> certificate processing text.
>
> Asking again as I haven't seen any replies. I *really* need some help
> from two client-side implementers. Ed Lewis is looking into the
> NeuStar
> server implementation. I've sent a note to Ram Mohan of Afilias and
> I'm
> waiting for a response from him as well.
>
> If there's anyone from either Key Systems or DotRegistrar that's still
> reading this list, would you please get back to me? Info from any
> other
> clients would also be useful, so please - if you're a client-side
> implementer, I could really use your help!
>
> -Scott-
>
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Hi Scott,

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 08:21:48AM -0400, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:
...
> Asking again as I haven't seen any replies. I *really* need some help
> from two client-side implementers. Ed Lewis is looking into the NeuStar
> server implementation. I've sent a note to Ram Mohan of Afilias and I'm
> waiting for a response from him as well.
>
> If there's anyone from either Key Systems or DotRegistrar that's still
> reading this list, would you please get back to me? Info from any other
> clients would also be useful, so please - if you're a client-side
> implementer, I could really use your help!

We could help with our client[1]

> -Scott-

Fred

[1] http://registro.br/epp/index-EN.html
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked]
> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Scott
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:24 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Cc: Alexey Melnikov
> Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP Implementation Report Help Needed
>
> At the IESG's request, I need to find a few volunteers that
> are willing to describe their EPP client implementation
> experience as part of an effort to update the existing
> implementation report for the protocol.
> I've been asked to confirm that clients and servers are
> performing additional certificate identity validation steps
> that are described in 4934bis [1]. Both of the clients used
> in the original report (Key Systems and DotRegistrar) appear
> to be unreachable now, so I need to find others to complete
> the matrix.
>
> I need to find two independently-developed client and server
> implementations that can confirm that they are performing the
> checks and that everything works OK. I'll take care of
> updating the report.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> -Scott-
>
> [1] See section 9 of 4934bis, "the EPP client MUST check its
> understanding of the server server name/IP address against
> the server's identity as presented in the server Certificate
> message in order to prevent man-in-the-middle attacks". The
> need is to confirm that both clients and servers are
> validating each other's identity as described in the new
> certificate processing text.

Asking again as I haven't seen any replies. I *really* need some help
from two client-side implementers. Ed Lewis is looking into the NeuStar
server implementation. I've sent a note to Ram Mohan of Afilias and I'm
waiting for a response from him as well.

If there's anyone from either Key Systems or DotRegistrar that's still
reading this list, would you please get back to me? Info from any other
clients would also be useful, so please - if you're a client-side
implementer, I could really use your help!

-Scott-

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At the IESG's request, I need to find a few volunteers that are willing
to describe their EPP client implementation experience as part of an
effort to update the existing implementation report for the protocol.
I've been asked to confirm that clients and servers are performing
additional certificate identity validation steps that are described in
4934bis [1]. Both of the clients used in the original report (Key
Systems and DotRegistrar) appear to be unreachable now, so I need to
find others to complete the matrix.

I need to find two independently-developed client and server
implementations that can confirm that they are performing the checks and
that everything works OK. I'll take care of updating the report.

Can anyone help?

-Scott-

[1] See section 9 of 4934bis, "the EPP client MUST check its
understanding of the server server name/IP address against the server's
identity as presented in the server Certificate message in order to
prevent man-in-the-middle attacks". The need is to confirm that both
clients and servers are validating each other's identity as described in
the new certificate processing text.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:27 AM
> To: Hollenbeck, Scott
> Cc: [email-masked]; Alexey Melnikov
> Subject: Re: 4930bis-4934bis Status After IESG Review
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:37:07PM -0400, Hollenbeck, Scott
> wrote a message of 36 lines which said:
>
> > status. Here's the old report:
> >
> > http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Implementations/RFCs3730-3734_implem.txt
>
> Actually
>
>
> (Otherwise, it is a 404)

It looks like the URL changed with the recent site redesign.

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> status. Here's the old report:
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> http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Implementations/RFCs3730-3734_implem.txt

Actually

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Yesterday the IESG reviewed the 4930bis - 4934bis documents for
progression to Standard status. The good news is that 4930-4933bis were
approved. The not-quite-as-good news is that 4934bis wasn't approved
because the IESG wants me to update the implementation report I
submitted when the documents were being considered for Draft standard
status. Here's the old report:

http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Implementations/RFCs3730-3734_implem.txt

There were two specific requests:

Add more info describing the current state of implementation. I'll do
that, using this note as a guide:

http://www.cafax.se/ietf-provreg/maillist/2008-12/msg00019.html

I was also asked to add a row to the 3734/4934 section to describe "TLS
server certificate verification". This is a client-side check to ensure
that clients are confirming the identity of the server as described in
section 9 of 4934bis. So, I need some help from the folks that
submitted client-side info for the original report (Dot Registrar and
Key Systems). Please speak up if you're still here.

The question: are you receiving server identification information in the
server certificate and are you taking steps to ensure that the given
identity is what you expect it to be?

If I can't find these two guys I'm going to need to work with one or two
client implementers to redo the client columns in the report. Please
let me know if you're willing to help with that.

-Scott-

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will also contain exact directions for unsubscribing. If you lose the
intro mail and would like another copy of the policies, send this message
to [email-masked]:

intro demo-list

(substituting, of course, the real name of your list for "demo-list").

III. UNSUBSCRIBING FROM MAILING LISTS

Your original intro message contains the exact command which should be
used to remove your address from the list. However, in most cases, you
may simply send the command "unsubscribe" followed by the list name:

unsubscribe demo-list

(This command may fail if your provider has changed the way your
address is shown in your mail.)

To remove an address other than the one from which you're sending
the request, give that address in the command:

unsubscribe demo-list [email-masked]

In either of these cases, you can tell [email-masked] to remove
the address in question from all lists on this server by using "*"
in place of the list name:

unsubscribe *
unsubscribe * [email-masked]

IV. FINDING THE LISTS TO WHICH AN ADDRESS IS SUBSCRIBED

To find the lists to which your address is subscribed, send this command
in the body of a mail message to [email-masked]:

which

You can look for other addresses, or parts of an address, by specifying
the text for which Majordomo should search. For instance, to find which
users at my-isp.com are subscribed to which lists, you might send the
command

which my-isp.com

Note that many list owners completely or fully disable the "which"
command, considering it a privacy violation.

V. FINDING OUT WHO'S SUBSCRIBED TO A LIST

To get a list of the addresses on a particular list, you may use the
"who" command, followed by the name of the list:

who demo-list

Note that many list owners allow only a list's subscribers to use the
"who" command, or disable it completely, believing it to be a privacy
violation.

VI. RETRIEVING FILES FROM A LIST'S ARCHIVES

Many list owners keep archives of files associated with a list. These
may include:
- back issues of the list
- help files, user profiles, and other documents associated with the list
- daily, monthly, or yearly archives for the list

To find out if a list has any files associated with it, use the "index"
command:

index demo-list

If you see files in which you're interested, you may retrieve them by
using the "get" command and specifying the list name and archive filename.
For instance, to retrieve the files called "profile.form" (presumably a
form to fill out with your profile) and "demo-list.9611" (presumably the
messages posted to the list in November 1996), you would put the lines

get demo-list profile.form
get demo-list demo-list.9611

in your mail to [email-masked].

VII. GETTING MORE HELP

To contact a human site manager, send mail to [email-masked].
To contact the owner of a specific list, send mail to that list's
approval address, which is formed by adding "-approval" to the user-name
portion of the list's address. For instance, to contact the list owner
for [email-masked], you would send mail to [email-masked].

To get another copy of this help message, send mail to [email-masked]
with a line saying

help

in the message body.

VIII. COMMAND SUMMARY FOR ADVANCED USERS

In the description below items contained in []'s are optional. When
providing the item, do not include the []'s around it. Items in angle
brackets, such as , are meta-symbols that should be replaced
by appropriate text without the angle brackets.

It understands the following commands:

subscribe []
Subscribe yourself (or if specified) to the named .

unsubscribe []
Unsubscribe yourself (or if specified) from the named .
"unsubscribe *" will remove you (or ) from all lists. This
_may not_ work if you have subscribed using multiple addresses.

get
Get a file related to .

index
Return an index of files you can "get" for .

which []
Find out which lists you (or if specified) are on.

who
Find out who is on the named .

info
Retrieve the general introductory information for the named .

intro
Retrieve the introductory message sent to new users. Non-subscribers
may not be able to retrieve this.

lists
Show the lists served by this Majordomo server.

help
Retrieve this message.

end
Stop processing commands (useful if your mailer adds a signature).

Commands should be sent in the body of an email message to
"[email-masked]". Multiple commands can be processed provided
each occurs on a separate line.

Commands in the "Subject:" line are NOT processed.

If you have any questions or problems, please contact
"[email-masked]".