Subject: [RADIR] a few notes I took during the meeting/call today

From: Vince Fuller <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:03:16 -0700

Definitely not complete in any way - just a few things that stood out in
my mind.

	--Vince

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Charter of RADIR
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1. problem statement - reach consensus and publish
   - global state growth
     - is there a scaling problem?
     - what is the timeframe?
     - how to solve?
   - new functionality that the Internet should support
     - multhoming
     - changes to topological attachment (i.e. provider) w/o renumbering
     - mobility?
     - stuff from David Ward's list

2. solicitation of proposed solutions
   - maintain repository and set of pointers

3. review of proposed solutions

4. document various works-in-progress and conversations in this space
   - maintain a wiki with pointers to known work?

Other discussion
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urgency of scaling problem for SPs (based on UUNET/VZ situation)?
- how long does it take to design and devlop a solution?
- how long for vendors to implement?
- how long to be in shipping products?
- how long to be deployed on operational networks?
- Jason's specific concerns about what to buy now that will last for 5 years
  - CRS-1 and T-640 top out at 1M routes; in 5-7 years, VZ could easily hit
    that limit if one assumes ipv6 doption & continuing global state growth
  - fork-lift upgrades every 3 to 5 years?
    - longer than 7 years means reasonable ROI
    - 3 years or fewer means continual, expensive upgrades

Jason: concerns about ipv6 deployment among operators
- creation of new swamp with PI
- will there be an architectural change that removes the swampiness?

multihoming/traffic engineering requirements:
- transit network capabilities
- source/sink customer network capabilities

John: we don't need to understand exact numbers behind global state growth,
but we can say that flattening growth rate is an important goal

TODO:
- administrivia: appoint a chair
- set of work items
- slides for tonight, BOF agenda
- expansion of membership

Jason: do we need to keep trying to persuade people that there is a problem?
Thomas: do we really care? is consensus needed?
Erik: what about engaging others who don't think there is a problem?

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