From nobody Thu Feb 1 14:54:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B484E12EAF6; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 14:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GIFkw0gQTE4d; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 14:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97A91126CC7; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 14:54:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=9669; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1517525671; x=1518735271; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=E4/84YCs7lkh+3T/3N5aa6X6pcBIeBopY8n7ppFL2pI=; b=MAIhhxN+piHfY1KYbIh41c+REUxTLuq+ciIRi3wbOz7tWTLo/YZTcGJ4 RYcIHGIk6Wh0rMmpZZJrPnueVV4Z+SRt8MwG6pPaXDbdvBJWN04Drsia4 LZDoHEZtMcE6EEXxIuyWGQAMRvqW4/hz15C831eyLb9x1xPhAdiIipY7i k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0B4AQCemXNa/xbLJq1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQcBAQEBAYQodSiDYIsYjzuRc4VqggIKGAEKhRgCgwgVAQEBAQEBAQECayi?= =?us-ascii?q?FIwEBAQMBAQEhSwIJEAsYJwMCAicfEQYNBgIBAYopCBCtF4InJoo/AQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAWEaYNsghGDBYMvAQECAQGBOgESAYM2gmUFimYJmTS?= =?us-ascii?q?IGY1Vgh6GI4NxJodZjWmBbYgVgTw1I2BwMxoIGxU9giqCHG6BbkA3igCCPAEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?Q?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.46,444,1511827200"; d="scan'208,217";a="1750111" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 01 Feb 2018 22:54:27 +0000 Received: from [10.61.78.179] (ams3-vpn-dhcp3763.cisco.com [10.61.78.179]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w11MsQ66003280; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 22:54:26 GMT To: Tony Przygienda Cc: The IESG , rift-chairs@ietf.org, rift@ietf.org, Alvaro Retana References: <151688718885.31342.12143691556447545209.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <9c331871-7da6-473a-a434-b639d0228362@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 23:54:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------714CC809E3B9D6053F0FBD04" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rift] Benoit Claise's No Objection on charter-ietf-rift-00-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 22:54:34 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------714CC809E3B9D6053F0FBD04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Tony, > Benoit, thanks for review. Agree with your comments. Further comments > > 1. I personally think implementation status is kept more handy as a > separate document from spec ... > 2. I think that monitoring YANG discussion is best kept as separate > model/topic from configuration Yang. I advice you to read https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores/, in the RFC editor queue. config and oper data (or intent and applied) are in different datastores. > Yang is _great_ for configuration but monitoring has its own > challenges (based on practical experience ;-). Worthy discussion in > the group and possibly a template of things to come in other > protocols, i.e. how do we provide good telemetry into a protocol > without starting with Yang or any other modelling/transport > preconception ...  In fact, I would argue that to do really good > monitoring @ certain point in time you fall back on packet encodings > themselves, i.e. you read thrift/protobuf packets from something like > a streaming medium [which puts you close to e.g. flooding albeit you > are willing to "miss things" being on a slower, reliable medium like > TCP while still achieving consistency] ... The YANG objects for configuration and operational data are orthogonal to the encoding or the transport, or even if this is used for monitoring or streaming telemetry. I should be missing something. > > thanks > > --- tony > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 5:33 AM, Benoit Claise > wrote: > > Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-rift-00-04: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut > this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rift/ > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >  - A YANG module focused on configuration of protocol instances > I hope that this work item is >  - A YANG module focused on configuration and monitoring of > protocol instances > > Editorial >  - A Standards Track specification based on draft-przygienda-rift. > The document >  will include: >    - an Implementation Status section as described in RFC 7942 >    - an Operational Considerations section to explain how the > protocol is >    configured, deployed, and diagnosed - Security and Privacy > Considerations, >    although this material may refer to a separate Threat Analysis > document >    (q.v.) > > The sentence starting with "- Security and Privacy Considerations, > ..." should have a new line. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rift mailing list > Rift@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rift > > > --------------714CC809E3B9D6053F0FBD04 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Tony,
Benoit, thanks for review. Agree with your comments. Further comments

1. I personally think implementation status is kept more handy as a separate document from spec ...
2. I think that monitoring YANG discussion is best kept as separate model/topic from configuration Yang.
I advice you to read https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores/, in the RFC editor queue.
config and oper data (or intent and applied) are in different datastores.
Yang is _great_ for configuration but monitoring has its own challenges (based on practical experience ;-). Worthy discussion in the group and possibly a template of things to come in other protocols, i.e. how do we provide good telemetry into a protocol without starting with Yang or any other modelling/transport preconception ...  In fact, I would argue that to do really good monitoring @ certain point in time you fall back on packet encodings themselves, i.e. you read thrift/protobuf packets from something like a streaming medium [which puts you close to e.g. flooding albeit you are willing to "miss things" being on a slower, reliable medium like TCP while still achieving consistency] ...
The YANG objects for configuration and operational data are orthogonal to the encoding or the transport, or even if this is used for monitoring or streaming telemetry. I should be missing something.


thanks

--- tony

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 5:33 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for
charter-ietf-rift-00-04: No Objection

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email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)



The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
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COMMENT:
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 - A YANG module focused on configuration of protocol instances
I hope that this work item is
 - A YANG module focused on configuration and monitoring of protocol instances

Editorial
 - A Standards Track specification based on draft-przygienda-rift. The document
 will include:
   - an Implementation Status section as described in RFC 7942
   - an Operational Considerations section to explain how the protocol is
   configured, deployed, and diagnosed - Security and Privacy Considerations,
   although this material may refer to a separate Threat Analysis document
   (q.v.)

The sentence starting with "- Security and Privacy Considerations, ..." should have a new line.


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Agree with your comments. Further comments > > 1. I personally think implementation status is kept more handy as a > separate document from spec ... > 2. I think that monitoring YANG discussion is best kept as separate > model/topic from configuration Yang. > > I advice you to read https://datatracker.ietf.org/ > doc/draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores/, in the RFC editor queue. > config and oper data (or intent and applied) are in different datastores. > will do, am aware of the split on the config/applied data. > Yang is _great_ for configuration but monitoring has its own challenges > (based on practical experience ;-). Worthy discussion in the group and > possibly a template of things to come in other protocols, i.e. how do we > provide good telemetry into a protocol without starting with Yang or any > other modelling/transport preconception ... In fact, I would argue that to > do really good monitoring @ certain point in time you fall back on packet > encodings themselves, i.e. you read thrift/protobuf packets from something > like a streaming medium [which puts you close to e.g. flooding albeit you > are willing to "miss things" being on a slower, reliable medium like TCP > while still achieving consistency] ... > > The YANG objects for configuration and operational data are orthogonal to > the encoding or the transport, or even if this is used for monitoring or > streaming telemetry. I should be missing something. > > my observations were purely practical from implementation experience unless we are assuming that we are thinking by now of sending Yang objects as protocol encodings ... thanks --- tony --94eb2c1b26d490939f05642f78ce Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com&g= t; wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Hi Tony,
=20
Benoit, thanks for review. Agree with your comments. Further comments

1. I personally think implementation status is kept more handy as a separate document from spec ...
2. I think that monitoring YANG discussion is best kept as separate model/topic from configuration Yang.
I advice you to read https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores/, in the RFC editor queue.
config and oper data (or intent and applied) are in different datastores.

will do, am aware of the split=C2=A0 on the config/applied data.
Yang is _great_ for configuration but monitoring has its own challenges (based on practical experience ;-). Worthy discussion in the group and possibly a template of things to come in other protocols, i.e. how do we provide good telemetry into a protocol without starting with Yang or any other modelling/transport preconception ...=C2=A0 In fact, I would argue that to do really good monitoring @ certain point in time you fall back on packet encodings themselves, i.e. you read thrift/protobuf packets from something like a streaming medium [which puts you close to e.g. flooding albeit you are willing to "miss things" being on a sl= ower, reliable medium like TCP while still achieving consistency] ...
The YANG objects for configuration and operational data are orthogonal to the encoding or the transport, or even if this is used for monitoring or streaming telemetry. I should be missing something.


my observations were purely practical from implementation = experience unless we are assuming that we are thinking by now of sending Ya= ng objects as protocol encodings ...

thanks

--- tony=C2=A0

--94eb2c1b26d490939f05642f78ce-- From nobody Tue Feb 6 14:39:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietf.org Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803E812D967; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 14:39:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: lflynn@amsl.com, rift-chairs@ietf.org, rift@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151795678047.25842.5826167794087872813.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 14:39:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] rift - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 101 X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 22:39:42 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Liz Flynn, on behalf of the rift working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Routing In Fat Trees Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Liz Flynn Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: babel, bier, idr, isis, ospf, lsr, rtgwg, rtgarea, bess, nvo3 People who must be present: Alvaro Retana Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang Jeff Tantsura Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Feb 7 06:58:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietf.org Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AE712D7ED; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 06:58:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kathleen Moriarty To: "The IESG" Cc: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, rift-chairs@ietf.org, rift@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151801552198.4837.15342356325908218505.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 06:58:41 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] Kathleen Moriarty's Block on charter-ietf-rift-00-05: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 14:58:42 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-rift-00-05: Block When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rift/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BLOCK: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I appreciate the work on a threat analysis, I'd like to see something in the charter that includes security mitigations in the protocol resulting from the threat analysis work. Can you adjust the text to include this? Perhaps something like: OLD: - A Standards Track specification that will include: - an Implementation Status section as described in RFC 7942 - an Operational Considerations section to explain how the protocol is configured, deployed, and diagnosed - Security and Privacy Considerations, although this material may refer to a separate Threat Analysis document (q.v.) - A YANG module focused on configuration and monitoring of protocol instances - An Applicability Statement that describes how to deploy and configure the protocol in networks with different topologies - A Security Threat Analysis document that describes the attack vectors and mitigations that shall be sent for publication at the same time as the protocol specification NEW: - A Standards Track specification that will include: - an Implementation Status section as described in RFC 7942 - an Operational Considerations section to explain how the protocol is configured, deployed, and diagnosed, security and privacy mitigations for the protocol as identified in the threat analysis document. - A YANG module focused on configuration and monitoring of protocol instances - An Applicability Statement that describes how to deploy and configure the protocol in networks with different topologies - A Security Threat Analysis document that describes the attack vectors and mitigations that shall be sent for publication at the same time as the protocol specification From nobody Wed Feb 7 10:04:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872BE12D833; 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Wed, 07 Feb 2018 10:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:04:30 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: <151801552198.4837.15342356325908218505.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151801552198.4837.15342356325908218505.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Airmail (467) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:04:30 -0800 Message-ID: To: The IESG , Kathleen Moriarty Cc: rift@ietf.org, rift-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d30767c07c60564a32096" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rift] Kathleen Moriarty's Block on charter-ietf-rift-00-05: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 18:04:34 -0000 --001a113d30767c07c60564a32096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On February 7, 2018 at 9:58:42 AM, Kathleen Moriarty ( kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com) wrote: Kathleen: Hi! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BLOCK: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I appreciate the work on a threat analysis, I'd like to see something in th= e charter that includes security mitigations in the protocol resulting from the threat analysis work. Can you adjust the text to include this? Yes=E2=80=A6but the description of the Threat Analysis document already tal= ks about mitigations. The intent of publishing at the same time [*] is precisely to have both problems and solutions. We can add your modified text if it makes it clearer =E2=80=94 I think the = current text already covers it. Thanks! Alvaro. [*] Or even just including the analysis and mitigations in the same spec, depending on how the work goes Perhaps something like: OLD: - A Standards Track specification that will include: - an Implementation Status section as described in RFC 7942 - an Operational Considerations section to explain how the protocol is configured, deployed, and diagnosed - Security and Privacy Considerations, although this material may refer to a separate Threat Analysis document (q.v.) - A YANG module focused on configuration and monitoring of protocol instances - An Applicability Statement that describes how to deploy and configure the protocol in networks with different topologies - A Security Threat Analysis document that describes the attack vectors and mitigations that shall be sent for publication at the same time as the protocol specification NEW: - A Standards Track specification that will include: - an Implementation Status section as described in RFC 7942 - an Operational Considerations section to explain how the protocol is configured, deployed, and diagnosed, security and privacy mitigations for the protocol as identified in the threat analysis document. - A YANG module focused on configuration and monitoring of protocol instances - An Applicability Statement that describes how to deploy and configure the protocol in networks with different topologies - A Security Threat Analysis document that describes the attack vectors and mitigations that shall be sent for publication at the same time as the protocol specification --001a113d30767c07c60564a32096 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
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Kathleen:

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--001a113d30767c07c60564a32096-- From nobody Wed Feb 7 11:36:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietf.org Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5191B127241; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 11:36:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alia Atlas To: "The IESG" Cc: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, rift-chairs@ietf.org, rift@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151803219228.4827.7242352416305109222.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 11:36:32 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] Alia Atlas' Abstain on charter-ietf-rift-00-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 19:36:32 -0000 Alia Atlas has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-rift-00-05: Abstain When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rift/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm a proponent - so quite in favor of course. From nobody Wed Feb 7 18:52:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietf.org Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE93712946D; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 18:52:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Spencer Dawkins To: "The IESG" Cc: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, rift-chairs@ietf.org, rift@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151805836177.17069.8737063491595575710.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 18:52:41 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-rift-00-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 02:52:42 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-rift-00-05: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rift/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for considering my comments during internal review. I did have one other suggestion - the first deliverable doesn't actually say it's for a routing protocol. Perhaps s/A Standards Track specification/A Standards Track routing protocol specification/ ? 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Can you adjust the text to include this? > > Yes=E2=80=A6but the description of the Threat Analysis document already t= alks about > mitigations. The intent of publishing at the same time [*] is precisely = to > have both problems and solutions. > > We can add your modified text if it makes it clearer =E2=80=94 I think th= e current > text already covers it. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > > [*] Or even just including the analysis and mitigations in the same spec, > depending on how the work goes I think it would be better to have the mitigations in the protocol document so they get implemented and can refer back to the threat model. Thank you, Kathleen > > > > > Perhaps something like: > > OLD: > - A Standards Track specification that will include: > - an Implementation Status section as described in RFC 7942 > - an Operational Considerations section to explain how the protocol is > configured, deployed, and diagnosed - Security and Privacy Considerations= , > although this material may refer to a separate Threat Analysis document > (q.v.) > > - A YANG module focused on configuration and monitoring of protocol > instances > > - An Applicability Statement that describes how to deploy and configure t= he > protocol in networks with different topologies > > - A Security Threat Analysis document that describes the attack vectors a= nd > mitigations that shall be sent for publication at the same time as the > protocol specification > > NEW: > - A Standards Track specification that will include: > - an Implementation Status section as described in RFC 7942 > - an Operational Considerations section to explain how the protocol is > configured, deployed, and diagnosed, security and privacy mitigations > for the protocol as identified in the threat analysis document. > > - A YANG module focused on configuration and monitoring of protocol > instances > > - An Applicability Statement that describes how to deploy and configure t= he > protocol in networks with different topologies > > - A Security Threat Analysis document that describes the attack vectors a= nd > mitigations that shall be sent for publication at the same time as the > protocol specification > > > > > --=20 Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Feb 8 11:29:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7D41273B1; 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Thu, 08 Feb 2018 11:29:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 11:29:29 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: <151801552198.4837.15342356325908218505.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Airmail (467) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 11:29:29 -0800 Message-ID: To: Kathleen Moriarty Cc: rift-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG , rift@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c09553e41d75e0564b86eef" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rift] Kathleen Moriarty's Block on charter-ietf-rift-00-05: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 19:29:33 -0000 --94eb2c09553e41d75e0564b86eef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On February 8, 2018 at 10:19:35 AM, Kathleen Moriarty ( kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com) wrote: Hi! I think it would be better to have the mitigations in the protocol document so they get implemented and can refer back to the threat model. I=E2=80=99ve made the changes. Please take a look. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rift/ Thanks! Alvaro. --94eb2c09553e41d75e0564b86eef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On February 8, 2018 at 10:19:35 AM, Kathleen Mori= arty (kathleen.moriarty= .ietf@gmail.com) wrote:

Hi!
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I=E2=80=99ve made the changes.=C2=A0 Please take a l= ook.
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Thanks!

Alvaro.
--94eb2c09553e41d75e0564b86eef-- From nobody Thu Feb 8 12:13:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietf.org Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917D6127333; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 12:13:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kathleen Moriarty To: "The IESG" Cc: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, rift-chairs@ietf.org, rift@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151812080658.17220.3028578633127658153.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 12:13:26 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on charter-ietf-rift-00-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 20:13:27 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-rift-00-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rift/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the modifications around security and privacy mitigations in the charter text. From nobody Fri Feb 9 13:21:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietf.org Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA7F127286; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 13:21:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , rift-chairs@ietf.org, rift@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151821129324.5495.3859371667823175470.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 13:21:33 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] WG Action: Formed Routing In Fat Trees (rift) X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 21:21:33 -0000 A new IETF WG has been formed in the Routing Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Routing In Fat Trees (rift) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Proposed WG Chairs: Zhaohui Zhang Jeff Tantsura Assigned Area Director: Alvaro Retana Routing Area Directors: Alia Atlas Alvaro Retana Deborah Brungard Mailing list: Address: rift@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rift Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=rift Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rift/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rift/ Data Centers have been steadily growing to commonly host tens of thousands of end points, or more, in a single network. Because of their topologies (traditional and emerging), traffic patterns, need for fast restoration, and for low human intervention, data center networks have a unique set of requirements that is resulting in the design of routing solutions specific to them. Clos and Fat-Tree topologies have gained popularity in data center networks as a result of a trend towards centralized data center network architectures that may deliver computation and storage services. The Routing in Fat Trees (RIFT) protocol addresses the demands of routing in Clos and Fat-Tree networks via a mixture of both link-state and distance-vector techniques colloquially described as 'link-state towards the spine and distance vector towards the leafs'. RIFT uses this hybrid approach to focus on networks with regular topologies with a high degree of connectivity, a defined directionality, and large scale. The RIFT Working Group will work on a standards track specification of a specialized, dynamic routing protocol for Clos and fat-tree network topologies. The protocol will: - deal with automatic construction of fat-tree topologies based on detection of links, - minimize the amount of routing state held at each topology level, - automatically prune topology distribution exchanges to a sufficient subset of links, - support automatic disaggregation of prefixes on link and node failures to prevent black-holing and suboptimal routing, - allow traffic steering and re-routing policies, - and provide mechanisms to synchronize a limited key-value data-store that can be used after protocol convergence. It is important that nodes participating in the protocol should need only very light configuration and should be able to join a network as leaf nodes simply by connecting to the network using default configuration. The protocol must support IPv6 and should also support IPv4. The Working Group may establish additional requirements to constrain and inform their work. The RIFT Working Group is chartered for the following list of items: - A Standards Track specification that will include: - an Implementation Status section as described in RFC 7942 - an Operational Considerations section to explain how the protocol is configured, deployed, and diagnosed, security and privacy mitigations for the protocol as identified in the threat analysis document. (q.v.) - A YANG module focused on configuration and monitoring of protocol instances - An Applicability Statement that describes how to deploy and configure the protocol in networks with different topologies - A Security Threat Analysis document that describes the attack vectors, which shall be sent for publication at the same time as the protocol specification Milestones: Mar 2018 - Adopt a protocol specification document Feb 2019 - Submit protocol specification to IESG for publication Feb 2019 - Submit Threat Analysis to IESG for publication Apr 2019 - Submit YANG module to IESG for publication Apr 2019 - Submit Applicability Statement to IESG for publication From nobody Mon Feb 26 17:56:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B03812DA69; Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:56:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RvHkmzC8zyfO; Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-x22c.google.com (mail-yw0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E283C12DA4B; Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id p70so5805538ywg.10; Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:56:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:cc:message-id:thread-topic :mime-version; bh=oPHGrX0hCk1+c1TRO8r4/vig4FtvxiXVsoPrCoASQf0=; b=s0H9nLsJSZ1yUMFosE+ZsR3ZrM8fxAvfHS0p/JONE7FYFKv/7aruPCzIc5YhBstDi+ iUepS7rsVSkZScyMyMvYvrO5uTH1selvr1lpljFKFK1IpFMt21QknmUbZPR3hj8hVLlS 6Knd0s2sjvVlK7T7O2DzeIyfwfG1ALkXNh7MMo5t2gC7aHX/j+zD9rdHnd263lAPFXgw w/8VaShEot04QgPRmPKd6bMVwB+e9mTK2aDAf9XaEokEL7GL4JInP53Cg9+b/KqjFqwn PbmSfcxL1tnKOvarFHdiKH0fktUhptAY3rVbW+RMy+R+R1/fNdVMv96cZx6w64Y1Ui+a NNNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:cc:message-id :thread-topic:mime-version; bh=oPHGrX0hCk1+c1TRO8r4/vig4FtvxiXVsoPrCoASQf0=; b=VlxaXq3VlQq9jKDvllnqqMepJcB7JTVrpnfSmF2HZ0XJeX1h0nKKyJqe+7zadIR+Fh EPUeKTQB4h7Mp9VoLHqScwJJWlTAs4LhKUko6KIUzhZe0X5WKSx2VHhCJ31gUqL6kdcS tnTrjaJ/7wBTQ6LqR/Etr6ht2MLoIb1byjiATmCNs0sscJ7r507l9sAdzB3hiLXaHWEx CIErYwy9lxpzC4BzxjTDrj+lXPKpYuOWyHY7XtukzaOV1+gx/h+fO2UaNpCoY+dh1Lpx Kfg5y8nTdt0jjEIv+EnVlJozu/hAA5xeQ2udyDIb8TUtUQQNmofn/EtTyEYRoRqIizzu o+CQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPA6cqgtF26bB6xbZcygRbYr/LuvqpYEP1v5nkUQCJxKQx5cO1bu X+l4TJVEw52Sq7eptoct8unI1g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELuOiLMDMpjsWOSG+s3SvF05I8gakQC4TQqP0f9TbOXo3nE6IIaQSkmuhDTjh2Qjy0/0DuYMNw== X-Received: by 10.129.237.13 with SMTP id k13mr1652939ywm.486.1519696605896; Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [135.227.239.108] ([66.201.62.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p204sm3990845ywe.49.2018.02.26.17.56.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:56:45 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.a.0.180210 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:56:44 -0800 From: Jeff Tantsura To: CC: , "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" Message-ID: <450B953C-57AE-458B-96A9-6A148FBAFCC4@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: RIFT slot requests for IETF101 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3602512605_1275800998" Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] RIFT slot requests for IETF101 X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 01:56:52 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3602512605_1275800998 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear RIFTers, =20 The agenda for IETF 101 in London is out. RIFT will be meeting 13:30-15:30,= Tuesday, March 20 in Richmond/Chelsea/Tower. =20 If you have a draft you'd like to present, please send a request to the cha= irs by the end of next Monday (March 5th) and tell us how much time you=E2=80=99d = need. We=E2=80=99d appreciate =C2=A0slides and updates to be sent by Friday March 16th= so that we can get them all uploaded. =20 Thanks, Jeff and Jeffrey =20 Looking forward to seeing you in London! =20 Important dates: 2018-03-05 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, inc= luding -00) by UTC 23:59. Upload using the ID Submission Tool. 2018-03-07 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59. 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Dear RIFTer= s,

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The a= genda for IETF 101 in London is out. RIFT will be meeting 13:30-15:30, Tuesd= ay, March 20 in Richmond/Chelsea/Tower.

 

If you have a draft you'd like to prese= nt, please send a request to the chairs by the end of next Monday (March 5th= ) and tell us how much time you=E2=80=99d need. We=E2=80=99d appreciate =C2=A0slides and upd= ates to be sent by Friday March 16th so that we can get them all uploaded.

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Than= ks,

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Looking forward to seeing you in London!

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Important dates:

2018-03-05 (M= onday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, including -00) by= UTC 23:59. Upload using the ID Submission Tool.

2018-03-07 (Wednesday): Draft Wo= rking Group agendas due by UTC 23:59. Upload using the Meeting Materials Man= agement Tool.

2018-03-09 (Friday): Early Bird registration and payment cut-off at= UTC 23:59.

2018-03-12 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59. = Upload using the Meeting Materials Management Tool.

2018-03-12 (Monday): Registra= tion cancellation cut-off at UTC 23:59.

2018-03-16 (Friday): Final Pre-Registrati= on and Pre-Payment cut-off at 17:00 local meeting time.

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--B_3602512605_1275800998-- From nobody Tue Feb 27 05:31:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEA7126BFD for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 05:31:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SDbJ7yCkidSW for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 05:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 321FB126BF3 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 05:31:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=19097; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1519738274; x=1520947874; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=ekpRY7nH6KpGSF/N9GmPKDrNO7UbfXx1i0JcjVPapAc=; b=YgX7zTa1DUVrLDnlKQ1vYSdo3/qYOu/5UXo92odSGoEhcVeLHW5oeRWk pJBPesf/D0KVe3AnaVMdEC/LadhwloJ/nn7juXXk7IRoTBL0C5OUvmqdL Jz53oeF41U2+0udMO4Q2G0ST6+1DwU1T3bmS1VC3Tra9M66svNdvlL26D o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ARAgAHXZVa/49dJa1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQcBAQEBAYJaSS1mcCgKm2uDGJY/CiOFD4JNWBQBAgEBAQEBAQJrKIVXTBI?= =?us-ascii?q?BFmomAQQODROEFmQQrRaIcIIUAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAWHSIFXg?= =?us-ascii?q?WUBgR2FPgEBAgGBSIYVBY1yjFwJAoZOgw2HC4FvhDSDHIU+iXqHKQIRGQGBLQE?= =?us-ascii?q?1ITKBH3AVgn6DYgEIBwhfdwEBinWBMIEXAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.47,401,1515456000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="76235945" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 27 Feb 2018 13:31:12 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-005.cisco.com (xch-rcd-005.cisco.com [173.37.102.15]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w1RDVCpi001204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:31:12 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-005.cisco.com (173.37.102.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1320.4; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:31:12 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:31:12 -0600 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: Antoni Przygienda CC: "rift@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: quick review of RIFT 04 Thread-Index: AdOZHfVGKhDFKQKNRpeIsOmEQoZTQg== Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:30:42 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:29:55 +0000 Message-ID: <566738aa7df14f2c82cdf93f400bdbee@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.68.97] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_566738aa7df14f2c82cdf93f400bdbeeXCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] quick review of RIFT 04 X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:31:17 -0000 --_000_566738aa7df14f2c82cdf93f400bdbeeXCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Tony : Please find first read comments below : 1) I think that the abstract is a bit heavy and the intro quite thin. = The second paragraph in particular is critical to understand the following = sections smoothly and yet is a bit cryptic at first read. I'd really like t= o see an image in intro showing a more abstract view of the fat network tha= n section 2.2, with "Link state" topological awareness sent north and "dist= ance vector" aggregations sent south, and text showing how the spine gets a= clear view of the network whereas the leaves get a very rough understandin= g of what's above. 2) I'd also like to see an early discussion on the default route. Is i= t used? Up? E/W?. 3) The image could also depict a simple case of aggregation/disaggrega= tion to clarify what's coming next. 4) Section 3 could move to annex; it is really interesting but not nor= mative. 5) Pointing North and south in Section 4 is still hard to fathom. Do y= ou point north for sending LSAs or are the LS routes pointing north? I thin= k I know the answer but the text needs to indicate that without a doubt. Li= ke I suggested, even better would be in intro. 6) 4.2.1 a note that RPL uses ICMP code 155 and ICMP types to differen= tiate the messages. It was pointed to us that it was a mistake to consume I= CMP due to shortage; OTOH, RIFT and RPL being is a same family, It could be= possible to use additional types of ICMP 155 for RIFT. 7) In the following, 0 seems overloaded. Note that RPL uses a Rank of = 1 for the "spine", which is allows to build a virtual "spine of spines", or= brain, at level 0. It also has an "infinite" Rank for leaves, which allows= to poison the DV. " Unless Section 4.2.9 is used, each node is provisioned with the level at which it is operating and its PoD or otherwise a default level and PoD of zero are assumed, meaning that leafs do not need to be configured with a level (or even PoD). Nodes in the spine are configured with a PoD of zero." 8) 4.2.3.1 indicates that some TIE is propagated south. Which is surpr= ising in a DV world. The reader (me) wonders, is it really DV or is it more= like fisheye? 9) Table 1 is hard to read, because it is dense and rows are not well-= delineated; using style=3Dall | full in texttable may help; same goes for t= able 2 and 3 though not as badly. 10) Note that TIE, LIE (and please do not use DIE!) match English words, a= nd though it is funny it will make a google search harder in the future. I = like S-TIE and N-TIE for that matter. An alternate would be a name that des= cribe what they are as opposed to the direction. 11) 4.2.3.1: IPv6 ND uses a Hop Limit of 255 and instruct to drop packets = that do not have such a TTL. It's a trick, but maybe useful to detect wrong= doers. The rule is to drop messages received with a HL that is lower than 2= 55. 12) 4.2.3.4: NTIE do not really need to be flooded if (as I understand); a= node only needs to talk north to its parents in the POD. RPL uses N*unicas= t because of unreliable radios. We could devise a mcast group that derives = from the POD Nb and the depth. 13) 4.2.3.7 need to define "overloaded" which is introduced here first; co= uld that lead to oscillations? 14) We discussed sibling routing in RPL a lot. Some of us wanted it in the= final protocol but it was filtered out to keep things at their simplest. P= oint being, I think that the rule below is too harsh. One simple rule could= be that can use a sibling route as long as the sibling does not use a sibl= ing again. I ended up generalizing this into the concept of ARCs, which ena= bles structures that one can "walk" (E or W) to find an "exit" without prog= ressing from the metric standpoint, whereas progress towards the destinatio= n is done between such structures (N or S). "This rule forms a "one-hop default route split-horizon" and prevents looping over default routes while allowing for "one-hop protection" of nodes that lost all northbound adjacencies" 15) About "East-West Forwarding Within a Level": I understand that the ri= ng protection is the split horizon technique, correct? I also understand th= at E/W reachability is not forwarded E/W, so a node only sees what its dire= ct E/W neighbors see northwards, correct? In terms of preference, I underst= and that south wins, then north regardless of longest match, then E/W as la= st resort for packets that are ultimately northbound, correct? This seems t= o indicate that RIFT really maintains 3 RIBs and looks them in order, S, N = and then E/W till a solution is found. Arguably S vs. N could be done in a = same RIB with longest match. E/W RIB could only be used for packets coming = from a Southbound interface. Cheers Pascal --_000_566738aa7df14f2c82cdf93f400bdbeeXCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Tony :

 

Please find first read comments below :

 

1)      I think that the abstract is a bit heavy and the in= tro quite thin. The second paragraph in particular is critical to understan= d the following sections smoothly and yet is a bit cryptic at first read. I= ’d really like to see an image in intro showing a more abstract view of the fat network than section 2.2, wi= th “Link state” topological awareness sent north and “dis= tance vector” aggregations sent south, and text showing how the spine= gets a clear view of the network whereas the leaves get a very rough understanding of what’s above.

2)      I’d also like to see an early discussion on t= he default route. Is it used? Up? E/W?.

3)      The image could also depict a simple case of aggreg= ation/disaggregation to clarify what’s coming next.

4)      Section 3 could move to annex; it is really interes= ting but not normative.

5)      Pointing North and south in Section 4 is still hard= to fathom. Do you point north for sending LSAs or are the LS routes pointi= ng north? I think I know the answer but the text needs to indicate that wit= hout a doubt. Like I suggested, even better would be in intro.

6)      4.2.1 a note that RPL uses ICMP code 155 and ICMP t= ypes to differentiate the messages. It was pointed to us that it was a mist= ake to consume ICMP due to shortage; OTOH, RIFT and RPL being is a same fam= ily, It could be possible to use additional types of ICMP 155 for RIFT.

7)      In the following, 0 seems overloaded. Note that RPL= uses a Rank of 1 for the “spine”, which is allows to build a v= irtual “spine of spines”, or brain, at level 0. It also has an = “infinite” Rank for leaves, which allows to poison the DV.= 

“   Unless Section 4.2.9 is used, each node is=
 provisioned with the level
   at which it is operating and its PoD or otherwise a defau=
lt level and
   PoD of zero are assumed, meaning that leafs do not need t=
o be
   configured with a level (or even PoD).  Nodes in the=
 spine are
   configured with a PoD of zero.”

8)      4.2.3.1 indicates that some TIE is propagated south= . Which is surprising in a DV world. The reader (me) wonders, is it really = DV or is it more like fisheye?

9)      Table 1 is hard to read, because it is dense and ro= ws are not well-delineated; using style=3Dall | full in texttable may help;= same goes for table 2 and 3 though not as badly.

10)  Note that TIE, LIE (and please do not use DIE!) mat= ch English words, and though it is funny it will make a google search harde= r in the future. I like S-TIE and N-TIE for that matter. An alternate would= be a name that describe what they are as opposed to the direction.

11)  4.2.3.1: IPv6 ND uses a Hop Limit of 255 and instru= ct to drop packets that do not have such a TTL. It’s a trick, but may= be useful to detect wrongdoers. The rule is to drop messages received with = a HL that is lower than 255.

12)  4.2.3.4: NTIE do not really need to be flooded if (= as I understand); a node only needs to talk north to its parents in the POD= . RPL uses N*unicast because of unreliable radios. We could devise a mcast = group that derives from the POD Nb and the depth.

13)  4.2.3.7 need to define “overloaded” whi= ch is introduced here first; could that lead to oscillations?

14)  We discussed sibling routing in RPL a lot. Some of = us wanted it in the final protocol but it was filtered out to keep things a= t their simplest. Point being, I think that the rule below is too harsh. On= e simple rule could be that can use a sibling route as long as the sibling does not use a sibling again. I= ended up generalizing this into the concept of ARCs, which enables structu= res that one can “walk” (E or W) to find an “exit” = without progressing from the metric standpoint, whereas progress towards the destination is done between such structures (N or S).= 

“This rule forms a "one-hop default route split-horizon&quo=
t; and prevents
   looping over default routes while allowing for "one-=
hop protection"
   of nodes that lost all northbound adjacencies”=

15)  About “East-West Forwarding Within a Level= 221;: I  understand that the ring protection is the split horizon tech= nique, correct? I also understand that E/W reachability is not forwarded E/= W, so a node only sees what its direct E/W neighbors see northwards, correct? In terms of preference, I understand that south w= ins, then north regardless of longest match, then E/W as last resort for pa= ckets that are ultimately northbound, correct? This seems to indicate that = RIFT really maintains 3 RIBs and looks them in order, S, N and then E/W till a solution is found. Arguably = S vs. N could be done in a same RIB with longest match. E/W RIB could only = be used for packets coming from a Southbound interface.

 

 

Cheers

 

Pascal

 

 

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