Subject: breakout session - ISP

From: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 03:18:30 +0900

[not a official minutes]

review outline
review existing draft

scope of work
define the problem set of scenarios
	core backbone
	broadband hybrid fiber coax/cable
	broadband dsl
	narrowband dialup
	ethernet to home/home networking
	IX
	security (detection/prevention)
	network management
provide solutions/analysis in a companion document

each of the sections need reviews/inputs/text to be added.

pekka: ethernet - not necessarily home
itojun: ethernet - in japan, nationwide ethernet service is popular so non-home use is popular
?: focus to ethernet access
pekka: focus to "ethernet access", not "ethernet vpn" - why "home"?
?: ethernet access.
itojun: does link type matter?  split like "p2p" "broadcast shared medium" 
droms: home networking?
itojun: dsl can be home, can be office.  let's remove "home"
pekka: there are specific problem in home, but it can be covered in other areas
droms: overwrap between "home" and unmanaged group uncertain

?: server farms?
itojun: enterprise.
pekka: dns, smtp, whatever services?
itojun: add "infrastructure services" 

droms: last-mile provider, "managed access" -> in 3.4
?: included in dsl/whatever
?: wireless hotspot
itojun: special case for dialup
?: L2 point of view,
droms: dialup -> dialup/wireless

	core backbone
	broadband hybrid fiber coax/cable
	broadband dsl
	narrowband dialup
	broadband ethernet
	wireless hotspot
	IX
	security (detection/prevention)
	network management
	infrastucture services

outline - problem set (each section authors will fill in details, for items that are applicable to their sections)
	topoology - physical/logical
	hardware - routers/switches/cpe
	routing - igp/egp/multicast/irr (routing policy)/addressing/nat/aggr
	traffic engineering
	security - ids, prevention, ingress filtering
	network management - out of band, config tools, snmp
	hosting gear - dns, radius, tacacs, mail, tools, caching

?: nat?
itojun: there are providers giving out private address to customers
?: "policing" - implies QoS

draft review
	core backbone - does the draft cover your model?
	DSL - does the draft cover your model?
		dynamic/static
		p2p/multi-access
	dialup - does the draft cover your model?

core - cpe -> another isp

itojun: there are 5 dsl pictures, no need to have 5 - anything under PPP shouldn't matter
?: ppp, shared medium DSL services

droms: interaction with other standards groups? - docsis, cablelabs, whatever
droms: how cpe will support ipv6?
cleve: -> Aidan Williams
droms: in analysis document, we need to capture those

include discussions on applications, naming connectivity in all scenarios?

shin: mail server?  pop server?
?: infrasturcture service for yourself, and providing for customer