From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Feb 13 15:17:49 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA00865 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArjkX-0006QV-JB for edu-discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:17:21 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1DKHLo1024700 for edu-discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:17:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArjkX-0006QJ-FT for edu-discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:17:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA00824 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArjkW-0005bL-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:17:20 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Arjja-0005Wj-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:16:23 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArjjE-0005Rr-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:16:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArjjE-00065D-QT; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:16:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArjiQ-0005sc-Gm for edu-discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:15:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA00583 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArjiP-0005QH-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:15:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArjhT-0005N8-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:14:12 -0500 Received: from smtp.exodus.net ([66.35.230.236]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Arjgp-0005GX-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:13:31 -0500 Received: from ms101.mail1.com (ms101.mail1.com [209.1.5.174]) by smtp.exodus.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1DLplw3019159 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:51:47 -0800 Received: from ala-mrwtemp.thingmagic.com (unverified [24.61.30.237]) by accounting.espmail.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:13:01 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040213150920.03a30e58@ms101.mail1.com> X-Sender: margaret@thingmagic.com@ms101.mail1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: edu-discuss@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [edu-discuss] DRAFT Training Schedule for Korea Sender: edu-discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: edu-discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: edu-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Education Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:11:26 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi All, I have attached the draft training schedule for Seoul. This should all be finalized within the next day or two. Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions. Thanks, Margaret Sunday, February 29, 2004 ========================= 1300-1400 Newcomer's Training in English -- Location?? (Spencer Dawkins) An introduction to the IETF for new or recent IETF attendees. Covers the IETF document processes, the structure of the IETF, and tips for new attendees to be successful in the IETF environment. 1400-1500 Newcomer's Training in Korean -- Location?? (ChangJoon Kim) An introduction to the IETF for new or recent IETF attendees. Covers the IETF document processes, the structure of the IETF, and tips for new attendees to be successful in the IETF environment. 1300-1500 Editor's Training -- Location?? (Avri Doria) Training for current or aspiring IETF document editors. Covers the roles and responsibilities of a document editor, and includes advice on producing a high-quality IETF specification. 1300-1500 Intro WG Chairs Training -- Location?? (Margaret Wasserman) Introductory training for new or aspiring WG chairs. Covers the role and responsibilities of a WG chair, and includes advice on how to run a WG that is fair, open and productive. This class is open to all IETF attendees. 1500-1700 Security Tutorial -- Location?? (Radia Perlman) All IETF attendees need to be aware of the security implications of our design choices. This session offers a basic primer in protocol security, as well as advice on how to write the Security Considerations sections required for all IETF documents. Wednesday, February 3, 2004 (Private, NOT on agenda) =========================== 1130-1300 WG Chairs Training Lunch -- Location?? Using the I-D Tracker to track WG document status (Margaret Wasserman) - Understanding the document state machine - Introduction to the IESG balloting process - Demonstration and/or lab Includes lunch for attendees. _______________________________________________ edu-discuss mailing list edu-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-discuss From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Feb 17 21:36:04 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA24130 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtHYm-00026E-Q4 for edu-discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:35:36 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1I2ZaQr008064 for edu-discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:35:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtHYm-00025z-Kz for edu-discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:35:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA24117 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtHYj-0000PG-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:35:34 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AtHXr-0000Ld-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:34:40 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtHXE-0000Hk-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:34:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtHXE-00023D-Ns; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:34:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtHWo-00022N-Sk for edu-discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:33:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA24051 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: avri@acm.org Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtHWm-0000Gk-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:33:32 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AtHVt-0000Dw-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:32:38 -0500 Received: from tla.crepundia.net ([194.71.127.149] helo=report.tla-group.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtHVV-0000AX-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:32:13 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (report.tla-group.com [194.71.127.149]) by report.tla-group.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i1I2hbep031483; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 03:43:39 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: edu-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [edu-discuss] LaTeX methods Sender: edu-discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: edu-discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: edu-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Education Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:32:01 +0900 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, I am currently updating the Editor's training for Seoul. One of the notes I got when I presented it last time was that I should could include mention of the LaTeX tools. Well, after a bit of time looking for them, I just can't find them. If anyone on this list can give me some pointers as to where to find explanations and tools, I would appreciate it. I know they are probably somewhere obvious, but I just don't see them. thanks a. _______________________________________________ edu-discuss mailing list edu-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-discuss From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 18 07:20:16 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07750 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtQg6-0007Te-Oa for edu-discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:19:46 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1ICJkRw028738 for edu-discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:19:46 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtQg6-0007TR-JE for edu-discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:19:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07742 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtQg6-00022N-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:19:46 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AtQfC-00020M-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:18:51 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtQeQ-0001y8-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:18:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtQeN-0007IP-VV; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:17:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtQeD-0007IA-0D for edu-discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:17:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07696 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtQeC-0001wu-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:17:48 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AtQdN-0001un-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:16:58 -0500 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtQcv-0001ru-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:16:29 -0500 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.10]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i1ICCXba536602; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:12:33 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-195-121.mts.ibm.com [9.65.195.121]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i1ICCT1Z135280; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 05:12:31 -0700 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (narten@localhost) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i1ICBDc23394; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:11:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200402181211.i1ICBDc23394@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: avri@acm.org cc: edu-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [edu-discuss] LaTeX methods In-Reply-To: Message from avri@acm.org of "Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:32:01 +0900." From: Thomas Narten Sender: edu-discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: edu-discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: edu-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Education Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:11:11 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 > I am currently updating the Editor's training for Seoul. One of the > notes I got when I presented it last time was that I should could > include mention of the LaTeX tools. > Well, after a bit of time looking for them, I just can't find them. How about: "don't use latex, the tools are inadequate for the job.." Seriously. I know of folk that have used them, and getting revisions of documents has been a real problem in practice for some of those documents. People seem to have home-brew scripts to generate ascii text, of the form that can't easily be installed by other folk. When authorship changes hands, big problem. Thomas _______________________________________________ edu-discuss mailing list edu-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-discuss From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 18 11:27:27 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA26258 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtUXL-0001jd-GP for edu-discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:26:59 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1IGQxsv006668 for edu-discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:26:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtUXL-0001jS-B0 for edu-discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:26:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA26216 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtUXK-0000P9-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:26:58 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AtUWR-0000Ib-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:26:04 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtUVU-00009z-00 for edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:25:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtUVS-0001Yk-VD; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:25:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtUVM-0001Y5-Vs for edu-discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:24:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA25984 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtUVM-00008V-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:24:56 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AtUUN-0007mr-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:23:55 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com ([205.167.76.9]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtUTP-0007av-00 for edu-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:22:55 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1IG8waK020576; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:08:58 -0800 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i1IG8uj0020575; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:08:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f From: David Meyer To: Thomas Narten Cc: avri@acm.org, edu-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [edu-discuss] LaTeX methods Message-ID: <20040218160856.GA20569@1-4-5.net> References: <200402181211.i1ICBDc23394@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200402181211.i1ICBDc23394@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-philosophy: "I just had to let it go" -- John Lennon Sender: edu-discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: edu-discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: edu-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Education Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:08:56 -0800 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 07:11:11AM -0500, Thomas Narten wrote: >> > I am currently updating the Editor's training for Seoul. One of the >> > notes I got when I presented it last time was that I should could >> > include mention of the LaTeX tools. >> > Well, after a bit of time looking for them, I just can't find them. >> >> How about: "don't use latex, the tools are inadequate for the job.." >> >> Seriously. I know of folk that have used them, and getting revisions >> of documents has been a real problem in practice for some of those >> documents. People seem to have home-brew scripts to generate ascii >> text, of the form that can't easily be installed by other folk. When >> authorship changes hands, big problem. FWIW, understanding that many folks are going to xml, I've been maintaining an nroff template for a bunch of folks with appropriately updated boilerplate, etc (I hope) on http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/generic_draft.tar.gz This is adpated from the original by Bill Fenner. Dave _______________________________________________ edu-discuss mailing list edu-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-discuss