From nobody Wed Dec 1 07:02:01 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7423E3A0412; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 07:01:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.788 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL=1.31, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=smyslov.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5t3w0wGOKEGG; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 07:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from direct.host-care.com (direct.host-care.com [198.136.54.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 780E73A0408; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 07:01:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smyslov.net ; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=PNUJKt2OqqWPoWuPGqnbgZ0WfLaqaWfrmLdupqBLUVM=; b=U14gPjLEshYRhOYwFH99w4Ms13 be6P/b6FOqlXkOeSczZ78B2KwHeIDb8932LWmcMIhI4IzCvd2k3qvAUP4Z6oTqiOvPLc4BJasctk3 31d570DC6KZdfUqap57UFpxvu+bo4dgnb/PxlndVjlJ23sWqOPgHmM+7a/AB1MD3NzYjeE/S8u8Y8 z3HdyxrpTxeje/ryAH0U/r7ToRj6liHCpUUn5adhKsq0IvnQ6D+YyhoXhgmYtZWLQcYce6HMagaTy j7M7KsOn0pqsUaQsn52kiFO19GwfXzjqPoWE5S/Be8U2xaHQhHVps+lWLoaEiFxFd6zZiRcujgFOm w+2AynRQ==; Received: from [93.188.44.204] (port=58967 helo=buildpc) by direct.host-care.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1msR71-0002mi-MA; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 10:01:36 -0500 From: "Valery Smyslov" To: "'Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong'" Cc: , , , "'Last Call'" , "'skku-iotlab-members'" References: <163828342343.30134.5648688655541156757@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 18:01:29 +0300 Message-ID: <008801d7e6c4$5436e060$fca4a120$@smyslov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0089_01D7E6DD.798577F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: ru Thread-Index: AQHEVVwoPJ09zmXN1Mzy3pQUm9lWngF4XYSxrDkXIFA= X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - direct.host-care.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - smyslov.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: direct.host-care.com: authenticated_id: valery@smyslov.net X-Authenticated-Sender: direct.host-care.com: valery@smyslov.net Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model-12 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 15:01:46 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01D7E6DD.798577F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Paul, =20 Hi Valery, Thanks for your kind review. Here are my answers below. =20 On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 11:44 PM Valery Smyslov via Datatracker = wrote: Reviewer: Valery Smyslov Review result: Ready with Issues I am the assigned ART directorate reviewer for this document. These = comments were written primarily for the benefit of the ART area directors. = Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other = last call comments. The document defines an information model and the YANG data model for an interface used for monitoring Network Security Functions in the I2NSF = framework. Issues. 1. The YANG Data Model contains human-readable strings, like "src-user", "message", etc. From description of thees fields they seem to contain a free-form text with no indication in which language it is written. = Section 4.2 of BCP 18 requires that protocols that transfer text MUST provide for = carrying information about the language of that text (e.g. via language tags). =3D> src-user is the I2NSF User's name who generates the policy.=20 message is "the extra detailed description on NSF monitoring data = to give an NSF data collector the context information as meta data".=20 I will clarify the definitions of src-user and message more = clearly in the draft with the above definitions. =20 I don=E2=80=99t think that the definition of these fields is = incorrect. My point was that these fields are human-readable strings and thus it is needed to indicate in which human language they = are written (unless we stick with the only one, say English). For example, language tags (RFC 5646) can be used for this = purpose. =20 2. There are a number of 32-bit counters in the model. In high = performance networks they would wrap around after a relatively short period of time. = It is not clear how this situation is handled. =3D> To prevent the counters from wrapping around quickly, I will = replace 32-bit with 62-bit for counters. =20 Great. =20 Thank you, Valery. =20 Thanks. =20 Best Regards, Paul=20 _______________________________________________ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01D7E6DD.798577F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Paul,

 

Hi = Valery,

Thanks for = your kind review.

Here are my answers below.

 

On = Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 11:44 PM Valery Smyslov via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> = wrote:

Reviewer: = Valery Smyslov
Review result: Ready with Issues

I am the = assigned ART directorate reviewer for this document. These = comments
were written primarily for the benefit of the ART area = directors.  Document
editors and WG chairs should treat these = comments just like any other last call
comments.

The document = defines an information model and the YANG data model for an
interface = used for monitoring Network Security Functions in the I2NSF = framework.

Issues.

1. The YANG Data Model contains = human-readable strings, like = "src-user",
"message", etc. From description of = thees fields they seem to contain a
free-form text with no indication = in which language it is written. Section 4.2
of BCP 18 requires that = protocols that transfer text MUST provide for carrying
information = about the language of that text (e.g. via language = tags).

  = =3D> src-user is the I2NSF User's name who generates the = policy. 

  =      message is "the extra detailed description on = NSF monitoring data to give

       an NSF data collector the = context information as meta = data". 

  =      I will clarify the definitions of src-user and = message more clearly in the draft

       with the above = definitions.

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I = don=E2=80=99t think that the definition of these fields is = incorrect.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 My point was = that these fields are human-readable strings

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and thus it is = needed to indicate in which human language they are = written

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (unless we = stick with the only one, say English).

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 For example, = language tags (RFC 5646) can be used for this = purpose.

 

2. There are a number of 32-bit counters in the model. = In high performance
networks they would wrap around after a = relatively short period of time. It is
not clear how this situation = is handled.

 =3D> To prevent the counters from wrapping = around quickly, I will replace 32-bit

      with 62-bit for counters.

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Great.

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thank = you,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Valery.

 

      = Thanks.

 

      Best = Regards,

    =   Paul 




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I have read RFC 5646 about language tags briefly, but I am not sure how to reflect your comments on this draft. As you know, all the fields and their descriptions in this draft are English. Could you guide me how to put language tags in RFC 5646 into our draft? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5646 Could you suggest an example for our draft? Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:01 AM Valery Smyslov wrote: > Hi Paul, > > > > Hi Valery, > > Thanks for your kind review. > > Here are my answers below. > > > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 11:44 PM Valery Smyslov via Datatracker < > noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > > Reviewer: Valery Smyslov > Review result: Ready with Issues > > I am the assigned ART directorate reviewer for this document. These > comments > were written primarily for the benefit of the ART area directors. Docume= nt > editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other las= t > call > comments. > > The document defines an information model and the YANG data model for an > interface used for monitoring Network Security Functions in the I2NSF > framework. > > Issues. > > 1. The YANG Data Model contains human-readable strings, like "src-user", > "message", etc. From description of thees fields they seem to contain a > free-form text with no indication in which language it is written. Sectio= n > 4.2 > of BCP 18 requires that protocols that transfer text MUST provide for > carrying > information about the language of that text (e.g. via language tags). > > =3D> src-user is the I2NSF User's name who generates the policy. > > message is "the extra detailed description on NSF monitoring data > to give > > an NSF data collector the context information as meta data". > > I will clarify the definitions of src-user and message more clearl= y > in the draft > > with the above definitions. > > > > I don=E2=80=99t think that the definition of these fields is in= correct. > > My point was that these fields are human-readable strings > > and thus it is needed to indicate in which human language they > are written > > (unless we stick with the only one, say English). > > For example, language tags (RFC 5646) can be used for this > purpose. > > > > 2. There are a number of 32-bit counters in the model. In high performanc= e > networks they would wrap around after a relatively short period of time. > It is > not clear how this situation is handled. > > =3D> To prevent the counters from wrapping around quickly, I will replac= e > 32-bit > > with 62-bit for counters. > > > > Great. > > > > Thank you, > > Valery. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Paul > > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > --00000000000001448305d2203a7f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Valery,
Thanks for your comments.

I have read RFC 5646 about language tags briefly, but I am not sure= how to reflect your comments on this draft.
As you know, all the= fields and their descriptions in this draft are English.

Could you guide me how to put language tags in RFC 5646 into our dr= aft?

Could you suggest an example for our draft?

Than= ks.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Thu, Dec = 2, 2021 at 12:01 AM Valery Smyslov <valery@smyslov.net> wrote:

= Hi Paul,

=C2=A0

Hi Valery,

=

Thanks for your=C2=A0kind review.

<= /div>

Here are my answers below.

=C2=A0

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 11:44 PM Valery Smyslov via Datatrac= ker <noreply@ietf.= org> wrote:

Reviewer: Valery Smyslov
Review result: Ready with Issues=

I am the assigned ART directorate reviewer for this document. These= comments
were written primarily for the benefit of the ART area directo= rs.=C2=A0 Document
editors and WG chairs should treat these comments jus= t like any other last call
comments.

The document defines an info= rmation model and the YANG data model for an
interface used for monitori= ng Network Security Functions in the I2NSF framework.

Issues.
1. The YANG Data Model contains human-readable strings, like "src-use= r",
"message", etc. From description of thees fields they= seem to contain a
free-form text with no indication in which language i= t is written. Section 4.2
of BCP 18 requires that protocols that transfe= r text MUST provide for carrying
information about the language of that = text (e.g. via language tags).

=C2=A0 =3D> src-user is the I2NSF User's name who gen= erates the policy.=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0message is "the extra detailed description= on NSF monitoring data to give

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0an NSF data collector the context inform= ation as meta data".=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I will clarify the definitions of src-us= er and message more clearly in the draft

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with the above definitions.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t think that the definition of these field= s is incorrect.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 My point was that these fields are human-readable strings<= /u>

=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and thus it is needed t= o indicate in which human language they are written

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (unless we stick with the only one,= say English).

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 For example, language tags (RFC 5646) can be used for this purpose.<= /u>

=C2=A0

2. There are a number of 32-bit counters i= n the model. In high performance
networks they would wrap around = after a relatively short period of time. It is
not clear how this situat= ion is handled.

= =C2=A0=3D> To prevent the counters from wrapping around quickly, I will = replace 32-bit

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 with 62-bit for counters.<= /span>

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Great.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tha= nk you,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Valer= y.

=C2=A0<= u>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks.=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Best Regards,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Paul=C2=A0<= u>



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Worley) To: t petch Cc: worley@ariadne.com, gen-art@ietf.org, i2nsf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <61A4AC85.2040806@btconnect.com> (ietfa@btconnect.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 22:22:28 -0500 Message-ID: <87pmqf3d3f.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model-12 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2021 03:22:40 -0000 Addressing what seems to be the difficult issue: t petch writes: > The trouble with the way that Last Call is organised is that the changes > suggested below will pull this I-D out of line with the others > potentially leading to contradiction and confusion. As I understand it, the only critique I presented of the overall organization is: >> But since the data model definition >> does not depend on the overall architecture, the document should be >> revised to either (1) remove unnecessary references to the overall >> architecture, (2) segregate them in ways that show they are not needed >> to understand the data model, or (3) carefully referenced back to the >> documents that define them. My intention was to suggest multiple ways that this draft could be adjusted so that it was clear to someone who hadn't already absorbed the gestalt of the whole document set. There are likely other possibilities as well. It seems to me that the approach that would require the least change is (3), updating the terminology section to list all the terms that are imported from the other documents and provide references to their definitions. I would also give some consideration to whether there are definitions/descriptions of the data items that could be clearly understood without external references, but the current text requires that external context to be easily understood. In such cases, it's usually best to provide a "context-free" defintion, and then add an explanatory sentence describing how that fits within the larger system. But I don't see any of this as pulling this draft away from the others. Is there an example that comes to mind? Dale From nobody Wed Dec 1 19:46:30 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB643A0902 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 19:46:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bP5YGXlFJjcp for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 19:46:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmccmta2.chinamobile.com (cmccmta2.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F073A0910 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 19:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.7]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app06-12006 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee661a84184f96-69ab8; Thu, 02 Dec 2021 11:46:12 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee661a84184f96-69ab8 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc-PC (unknown[221.130.253.135]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr04-12004 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee461a841824ff-d52dd; Thu, 02 Dec 2021 11:46:12 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee461a841824ff-d52dd Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 11:46:11 +0800 From: "yangpenglin@chinamobile.com" To: "i2nsf@ietf.org" X-Priority: 3 X-Has-Attach: no X-Mailer: Foxmail 7.2.16.188[en] Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2021120211461093165145@chinamobile.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_001_NextPart161501678144_=----" Archived-At: Subject: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2021 03:46:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_001_NextPart161501678144_=---- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGkgZXZlcnlvbmUsDQoNClRoaXMgaXMgUGVuZ2xpbiBZYW5nIGZyb20gQ2hpbmEgTW9iaWxlIFJl c2VhcmNoIEluc3RpdHV0ZS4gIFJlY2VudGx5LCB3ZSBjb21wb3NlZCBhIGRvY3VtZW50IG5hbWVk ICB0cnVzdCBlbmhhbmNlZCBJMk5TRiBhbmQgc3VibWl0dGVkIHRvIHRoZSBJMk5TRiBncm91cC4g KGh0dHBzOi8vZGF0YXRyYWNrZXIuaWV0Zi5vcmcvZG9jL2RyYWZ0LXlhbmctaTJuc2YtdHJ1c3Qt ZW5oYW5jZWQtaTJuc2YvKSBUaGUgbW90aXZhdGlvbiBvZiB0aGlzIGRvY3VtZW50IGlzIHRyeWlu ZyB0byB1c2UgcmVtb3RlIGF0dGVzdGF0aW9uIHRlY2hub2xvZ3kgdG8gYXVnbWVudCB0aGUgc2Vj dXJpdHkgYW5kIHRvIGVuaGFuY2UgdGhlIHRydXN0d29ydGhpbmVzcyBvZiBOU0YuIEluIHRoaXMg ZG9jdW1lbnQgd2UgaWxsdXN0cmF0ZWQgdGhlIGFyY2hpdGVjdHVyZSBvZiB0cnN1dGVkIGVuaGFu Y2VkIEkyTlNGIGFuZCB0aGUgcmVsZXZhbnQgaW50ZXJmYWNlcy4gDQoNCldlIHNpbmNlcmVseSB3 ZWxjb21lIGV2ZXJ5b25lIHRvIGNvbW1lbnQgb24gdGhpcyBkb2N1bWVudC4gQW5kIGlmIHlvdSBh cmUgaW50ZXJlc3RlZCwgd2UgY2FuIHdvcmsgdG9nZXRoZXIgdG8gcHJvbW90ZSB0aGlzIGlkZWEg dG8gYSBiZXR0ZXIgdmVyc2lvbi4NCg0KQlINClBlbmdsaW4gWWFuZw0KQ01DQyANCg0K ------=_001_NextPart161501678144_=---- Content-Type: text/html; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Paul,

 

Hi Valery,

Thanks for your comments.

 

I = have read RFC 5646 about language tags briefly, but I am not sure how to = reflect your comments on this draft.

As you know, all the fields and their descriptions in = this draft are English.

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Descriptions = don=E2=80=99t matter, it is the content of the fields that = matters.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So, if you = allowed users to fill in these fields in = languages

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 other than = English, then you=E2=80=99d better to indicate what the language is = used.

 

Could you guide me how to put = language tags in RFC 5646 into our = draft?

 

Could you suggest an example for our draft?

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think you = are in a better position than me to decide how to put language tags in = your model

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 or to decide = that they are not needed in your case. As far as I understand usually a = separate

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 field is used = to indicate the language. See for example RFC 7231 Section = 3.1.3.

 

Thanks.

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Regards,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Valery.

 

Best Regards,

Paul

 

On = Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:01 AM Valery Smyslov <valery@smyslov.net> = wrote:

Hi Paul,

 

Hi = Valery,

Thanks for = your kind review.

Here are my = answers below.

 <= /o:p>

On Tue, Nov = 30, 2021 at 11:44 PM Valery Smyslov via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> = wrote:

Reviewer: = Valery Smyslov
Review result: Ready with Issues

I am the = assigned ART directorate reviewer for this document. These = comments
were written primarily for the benefit of the ART area = directors.  Document
editors and WG chairs should treat these = comments just like any other last call
comments.

The document = defines an information model and the YANG data model for an
interface = used for monitoring Network Security Functions in the I2NSF = framework.

Issues.

1. The YANG Data Model contains = human-readable strings, like = "src-user",
"message", etc. From description of = thees fields they seem to contain a
free-form text with no indication = in which language it is written. Section 4.2
of BCP 18 requires that = protocols that transfer text MUST provide for carrying
information = about the language of that text (e.g. via language = tags).

  = =3D> src-user is the I2NSF User's name who generates the = policy. 

  =      message is "the extra detailed description on = NSF monitoring data to give

  =      an NSF data collector the context information as = meta data". 

  =      I will clarify the definitions of src-user and = message more clearly in the draft

  =      with the above definitions.

 

          I = don=E2=80=99t think that the definition of these fields is = incorrect.

          My point was = that these fields are human-readable strings

          and thus it is = needed to indicate in which human language they are = written

          (unless we = stick with the only one, say English).

          For example, = language tags (RFC 5646) can be used for this = purpose.

 

2. There are a number of 32-bit counters in the model. = In high performance
networks they would wrap around after a = relatively short period of time. It is
not clear how this situation = is handled.

 =3D>= ; To prevent the counters from wrapping around quickly, I will replace = 32-bit

  =     with 62-bit for counters.

 

          = Great.

 

          Thank = you,

          = Valery.

 <= /o:p>

  =     Thanks.

 <= /o:p>

  =     Best Regards,

  =     Paul 




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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roman, The Shepherd Writeup has been updated to reflect the changes and progress m= ade through IETF LC. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model/she= pherdwriteup/ The YANG module in this document does reference RFC 8805. Therefore, added = the following sentence to Question 15: Yes, the YANG model described in the document has reference to RFC880= 5 which is an Informational RFC. The IANA Expert replied "Looks Good" for the IANA Review three days ago. Wh= o to contact for changing the IANA Experts States to "Expert Reviews OK"? Thank you very much, Linda Dunbar --_000_CO1PR13MB492019203CE9DBEDAEB4FBCD85699CO1PR13MB4920namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roman,
 
The Shepherd Writeup has been updated to reflect the changes and progr= ess made through IETF LC.
 
The YANG module in this document does reference RFC 8805. Therefore, a= dded the following sentence to Question 15:
 
Yes, the YANG model described in the docu= ment has reference to RFC8805 which is an Informational RFC.
 
The IANA Expert replied “Looks Good” for the IANA Review t= hree days ago. Who to contact for changing the IANA Experts States to ̶= 0;Expert Reviews OK”?
 
Thank you very much,
 
Linda Dunbar
 
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roman, The Shepherd Writeup has been updated to reflect the changes and progress m= ade through IETF LC. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm/s= hepherdwriteup/ The IESG State is now on "Waiting for Writeup". What "Writeup" it is waitin= g for? Can I help for the writing? Thank you very much, Linda Dunbar --_000_CO1PR13MB4920F1A20C1E63110F6973BC85699CO1PR13MB4920namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roman,
 
The Shepherd Writeup has been updated to reflect the changes and progr= ess made through IETF LC.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ie= tf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm/shepherdwriteup/
 
The IESG State is now on “Waiting for Writeup”. What ̶= 0;Writeup” it is waiting for? Can I help for the writing?
 
Thank you very much,
 
Linda Dunbar
 
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From: Linda Dunbar Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 11:16 AM To: Roman Danyliw ; i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: Updated Shepherd Writeup for draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface= -dm-16 Roman, The Shepherd Writeup has been updated to reflect the changes and progress m= ade through IETF LC. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm/s= hepherdwriteup/ [Roman] Thanks. The IESG State is now on "Waiting for Writeup". What "Writeup" it is waitin= g for? Can I help for the writing? [Roman] "Waiting for Writeup" means the IESG ballot write-up. It's one of = the states a document lands in after an IETF LC concludes. I need to revie= w that all IETF LC feedback was handled and produce that ballot write-up to= that effect. Regards, Roman --_000_BN1P110MB0939DE3C359AA39AE6D1BC20DC699BN1P110MB0939NAMP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi!

 

From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei= .com>
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 11:16 AM
To: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>; i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: Updated Shepherd Writeup for draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-in= terface-dm-16

 

Roman,

 

The Shepherd Writeup has been updated to reflect the= changes and progress made through IETF LC.

 

[Roman] Thanks.

 

The IESG State is now on “Waiting for Writeup&= #8221;. What “Writeup” it is waiting for? Can I help for the wr= iting?

 

[Roman] “Waiting for Writeup” means the = IESG ballot write-up.  It’s one of the states a document lands i= n after an IETF LC concludes.  I need to review that all IETF LC feedb= ack was handled and produce that ballot write-up to that effect.=

 

Regards,

Roman

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boundary="_000_CO1PR13MB4920F18428714422166236A3856A9CO1PR13MB4920namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: Futurewei.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: CO1PR13MB4920.namprd13.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: fcc3076f-0f01-4c00-5c9d-08d9b610d355 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 03 Dec 2021 03:56:03.0329 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 0fee8ff2-a3b2-4018-9c75-3a1d5591fedc X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: WVTPA2kz610bwF9CNhAq7rxP6reOWxS9KGEYGTVo5mJeEUSi7Hk5dgtt6sIx2l5O+DlxWHDcrByr5m/uql73mg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MW3PR13MB4060 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2021 03:56:15 -0000 --_000_CO1PR13MB4920F18428714422166236A3856A9CO1PR13MB4920namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PengLin, Thank you very much for posting the draft in I2NSF WG. A few questions to your proposal: 1. Are the three threats in Section 3.2 specific to Network Security Fun= ctions? Or applicable to any network functions? 2. The Second Threat is the leak of policy rules and core asset of secur= ity knowledge. Where do the "policy rules" leaked to? The "core asset of= security knowledge" is from network operators? Or is it to the Network Sec= urity Functions? 3. The "third threat on potential spoofing attack to the NSF architectur= e". Are the spoofing attack also applicable to any network functions? Is "s= poofing attack" addressed by RAT? Thank you Linda Dunbar From: I2nsf On Behalf Of yangpenglin@chinamobile.c= om Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 9:46 PM To: i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf Hi everyone, This is Penglin Yang from China Mobile Research Institute. Recently, we co= mposed a document named trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF gr= oup. (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2ns= f/) The motivation of this document is trying to use remote attestation tec= hnology to augment the security and to enhance the trustworthiness of NSF. = In this document we illustrated the architecture of trsuted enhanced I2NSF = and the relevant interfaces. We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this document. And if you are i= nterested, we can work together to promote this idea to a better version. BR Penglin Yang CMCC --_000_CO1PR13MB4920F18428714422166236A3856A9CO1PR13MB4920namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

PengLin,

 

Thank you very much for posting the draft in I2NSF = WG.

A few questions to your proposal:=

 

  1. Are the three threats in Section 3.2 specific to Network Security Fu= nctions? Or applicable to any network functions?
  2. The Second Threat is the leak of policy rules= and core asset of security knowledge.  Where do the  “poli= cy rules” leaked to?  The “core asset of security knowledge” is from netwo= rk operators? Or is it to the Network Security Functions?
  3. The “third threat on potential spoofing= attack to the NSF architecture”. Are the spoofing attack also applic= able to any network functions? Is “spoofing attack” addressed by RAT? =

 

Thank you

Linda Dunbar

 

From: I2nsf <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.o= rg> On Behalf Of yangpenglin@chinamobile.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 9:46 PM
To: i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf

 

Hi everyone,

 

This is Penglin Yang from Ch= ina Mobile Research Institute.  Recently, we composed a document named=   trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF group. (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced= -i2nsf/) The motivation of this document is trying to use remote attest= ation technology to augment the security and to enhance the trustworthiness of NSF. In this document we illustrated= the architecture of trsuted enhanced I2NSF and the relevant interfaces.&nb= sp;

 

We sincerely welcome everyon= e to comment on this document. And if you are interested, we can work toget= her to promote this idea to a better version.

 

BR

Penglin Yang

CMCC =

 

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Hi Linda=EF=BC=8C

Th= ank you for your concern about this proposal. I think your questions are v= ery meaningful,  and here is my response. First of all, I think the t= hree questions are all aobut if we trust the rmote environment in where de= ploys NSF. If we don't trust the environment, the threats may happen. So t= his document tries to figure out a general way to mitigate that kinds of t= hreats and enhance the security of the NSF itself.

    1=EF=BC=8CThese threats are applicable to any netowrk funct= ions deployed in remote environment that the manager cannot make sure if i= t is trustworthy. But in this document we only focus on the NSF.
    2=EF=BC=8CConsider a secuiry company provides NS= F in which contains lots of policy rules such as DDoS prevention, traffic = filtering, etc. If the platform who carrys the NSF is malicious, it could = steal this security asset for other purpose. The core asset of security kn= owledge is from the security controller, which provided by the security co= mpany. 
    3=EF=BC=8CThe attackers in plat= fom could also disturb the action of NSF, and feedback the fake notificati= on or event to security controller. That is what I mean spoofing attack. I= f the paltform is trusted, or has been remote attested, at least we can sa= y the NSF is well deployed and its feedback is trustworthy. (In fact, abou= t trust, there have more topics about static trust and runtime trust. Remo= te attestation could provide static trust like booting state of platform, = installation of software, or file changing in system. Other techs lik= e "confidential computing" could provide an isolated CPU and memory area t= hat users can trust it during running time. This tech is still in developi= ng stage, there is no standard yet. But I do think in the future security-= sensitive scenarios will use it. )

H= ope my answer could solve your problem.

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Thank you very much for posting t= he draft in I2NSF WG.=0A

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A few questio= ns to your proposal:

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  1. Are the three threats = in Section 3.2 specific to Network Security Functions? Or applicable to an= y network functions?=0A
  2. The Second Threat is the leak of policy rules and core asset of secu= rity knowledge.  Where do the  =E2=80=9Cpolicy rules=E2=80=9D le= aked=0A to?  The =E2=80=9Ccore asset of security knowledge=E2=80=9D i= s from network operators? Or is it to the Network Security Functions?=0A
  3. The =E2=80=9Cthird = threat on potential spoofing attack to the NSF architecture=E2=80=9D. Are = the spoofing attack also applicable to=0A any network functions? Is =E2=80= =9Cspoofing attack=E2=80=9D addressed by RAT?
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Thank you

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Linda Dunbar

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Fr= om: I2nsf <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org>=0AOn Behalf Of yangpenglin@chinamobile.com
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Hi everyone,

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This is Penglin Yang from Ch= ina Mobile Research Institute.  Recently, we composed a document name= d  trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF group.=0A (https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf/) The mo= tivation of this document is trying to use remote attestation technology t= o augment the security=0A and to enhance the trustworthiness of NSF. In th= is document we illustrated the architecture of trsuted enhanced I2NSF and = the relevant interfaces. 

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We sincerely welcome everyone to= comment on this document. And if you are interested, we can work together= to promote this idea to a better version.

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BR

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CMCC 

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charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Penglin, Your explanation is very helpful. Can you please add them to the draft? Also, make sure the work is not in co= nflict with RAT. Thank you, Linda Dunbar From: yangpenglin@chinamobile.com Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 2:46 AM To: Linda Dunbar ; i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf Hi Linda=1B$B!$=1B(B Thank you for your concern about this proposal. I think your questions are = very meaningful, and here is my response. First of all, I think the three = questions are all aobut if we trust the rmote environment in where deploys = NSF. If we don't trust the environment, the threats may happen. So this doc= ument tries to figure out a general way to mitigate that kinds of threats a= nd enhance the security of the NSF itself. 1=1B$B!$=1B(BThese threats are applicable to any netowrk functions depl= oyed in remote environment that the manager cannot make sure if it is trust= worthy. But in this document we only focus on the NSF. 2=1B$B!$=1B(BConsider a secuiry company provides NSF in which contains = lots of policy rules such as DDoS prevention, traffic filtering, etc. If th= e platform who carrys the NSF is malicious, it could steal this security as= set for other purpose. The core asset of security knowledge is from the sec= urity controller, which provided by the security company. 3=1B$B!$=1B(BThe attackers in platfom could also disturb the action of = NSF, and feedback the fake notification or event to security controller. Th= at is what I mean spoofing attack. If the paltform is trusted, or has been = remote attested, at least we can say the NSF is well deployed and its feedb= ack is trustworthy. (In fact, about trust, there have more topics about sta= tic trust and runtime trust. Remote attestation could provide static trust = like booting state of platform, installation of software, or file changing = in system. Other techs like "confidential computing" could provide an isola= ted CPU and memory area that users can trust it during running time. This t= ech is still in developing stage, there is no standard yet. But I do think = in the future security-sensitive scenarios will use it. ) Hope my answer could solve your problem. BR Penglin From: Linda Dunbar Date: 2021-12-03 11:56 To: yangpenglin@chinamobile.com; i2nsf@= ietf.org Subject: Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf PengLin, Thank you very much for posting the draft in I2NSF WG. A few questions to your proposal: 1. Are the three threats in Section 3.2 specific to Network Security Funct= ions? Or applicable to any network functions? 2. The Second Threat is the leak of policy rules and core asset of securit= y knowledge. Where do the =1B$B!H=1B(Bpolicy rules=1B$B!I=1B(B leaked to?= The =1B$B!H=1B(Bcore asset of security knowledge=1B$B!I=1B(B is from netw= ork operators? Or is it to the Network Security Functions? 3. The =1B$B!H=1B(Bthird threat on potential spoofing attack to the NSF ar= chitecture=1B$B!I=1B(B. Are the spoofing attack also applicable to any netw= ork functions? Is =1B$B!H=1B(Bspoofing attack=1B$B!I=1B(B addressed by RAT? Thank you Linda Dunbar From: I2nsf > On Beha= lf Of yangpenglin@chinamobile.com Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 9:46 PM To: i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf Hi everyone, This is Penglin Yang from China Mobile Research Institute. Recently, we co= mposed a document named trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF gr= oup. (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2ns= f/) The motivation of this document is trying to use remote attestation = technology to augment the security and to enhance the trustworthiness of NS= F. In this document we illustrated the architecture of trsuted enhanced I2N= SF and the relevant interfaces. We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this document. And if you are i= nterested, we can work together to promote this idea to a better version. BR Penglin Yang CMCC --_000_CO1PR13MB4920FA91AB83BF1815053AD3856A9CO1PR13MB4920namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Penglin,

 =

Your explanation is very= helpful.

 =

Can you please add them = to the draft? Also, make sure the work is not in conflict with RAT.

 =

Thank you,

 =

Linda Dunbar<= /span>

 =

From: yangpenglin@chinamobile.com &l= t;yangpenglin@chinamobile.com>
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 2:46 AM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; i2nsf@ietf.org<= br> Subject: Re: Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced= -i2nsf

 

Hi Linda= =1B$B!$=1B(B

 

Thank you for your concern a= bout this proposal. I think your questions are very meaningful,  and h= ere is my response. First of all, I think the three questions are all aobut if we trust the rmote environment in where deploys= NSF. If we don't trust the environment, the threats may happen. So this do= cument tries to figure out a general way to mitigate that kinds of threats = and enhance the security of the NSF itself.

 

    1=1B$B!$=1B(BThese threats are applicable to any netowrk functio= ns deployed in remote environment that the manager cannot make sure if it is trustworthy. But in this document we only focus on the NSF.

    2=1B$B!$=1B(BConsider a secuiry company provides NSF in whi= ch contains lots of policy rules such as DDoS prevention, traffic filtering= , etc. If the platform who carrys the NSF is malicious, it could steal this = security asset for other purpose. The core asset of security knowledge is f= rom the security controller, which provided by the security company. <= o:p>

    3=1B$B!$=1B(BThe attackers in platfom could also disturb the act= ion of NSF, and feedback the fake notification or event to security control= ler. That is what I mean spoofing attack. If the paltform is trusted, or has be= en remote attested, at least we can say the NSF is well deployed and its fe= edback is trustworthy. (In fact, about trust, there have more topics about = static trust and runtime trust. Remote attestation could provide static trust like booting state of platfo= rm, installation of software, or file changing in system. Other techs = like "confidential computing" could provide an isolated CPU and m= emory area that users can trust it during running time. This tech is still in developing stage, there is no standard yet. Bu= t I do think in the future security-sensitive scenarios will use it. )=



Hope my answer could solve y= our problem.



 

BR

Penglin

 

 

From: Linda Dunbar

Date: 2021-12-03 11:56

Subject:<= /span> Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-e= nhanced-i2nsf

PengLin,

 

Thank you very much for posting the dra= ft in I2NSF WG.

A few questions to your proposal:

 

1.  Are the three threats in Sectio= n 3.2 specific to Network Security Functions? Or applicable to any network = functions?

2.  The Second Threat is the leak o= f policy rules and core asset of security knowledge.  Where do the &nb= sp;=1B$B!H=1B(Bpolicy rules=1B$B!I=1B(B leaked to?  The =1B$B!H=1B(Bco= re asset of security knowledge=1B$B!I=1B(B is from network operators? Or is it to the Network S= ecurity Functions?

3.  The =1B$B!H=1B(Bthird threat on= potential spoofing attack to the NSF architecture=1B$B!I=1B(B. Are the spo= ofing attack also applicable to any network functions? Is =1B$B!H=1B(Bspoof= ing attack=1B$B!I=1B(B addressed by RAT?

 

Thank you

Linda Dunbar

 

From: I2nsf = <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org>= ; On Behalf Of yangpeng= lin@chinamobile.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 9:46 PM
To: i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf

 = ;

Hi everyone,

 

This is Penglin Yang from Ch= ina Mobile Research Institute.  Recently, we composed a document named=   trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF group. (https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf/) The motivation of this document is trying to use remote attestation techno= logy to augment the security and to enhance the trustworthiness of NSF. In = this document we illustrated the architecture of trsuted enhanced I2NSF and= the relevant interfaces. 

 

We sincerely welcome everyon= e to comment on this document. And if you are interested, we can work toget= her to promote this idea to a better version.

 

BR

Penglin Yang

CMCC 

 

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I have read through your draft about remote NSF attestation interfaces and I became to know that your work is well-assigned to the next step of I2NSF WG for security management automation in the following draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jeong-i2nsf-security-management-automation/ The NSF attestation is very important to provide customers with stable and trustworthy I2NSF-based security services. However, we need to clarify the new components of your draft such as Endorser, Verifier/Relying Party, Reference Value Provider, and RoT (Root of Trust). Endorser is defined in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rats-architecture as follows: Endorser: A role performed by an entity (typically a manufacturer) whose Endorsements help Verifiers appraise the authenticity of Evidence. I think Endorse can be part of Developer's Management System (DMS) because DMS is an entity to provide the capability information of its NSF to Security Controller and also a virtualized NSF image as a VNF or container to the I2NSF framework. The overall structure of YANG modules of Trust Enhanced NSF Monitoring Interface and Trust Enhanced Registration interface look good to me. However, we need to make sure that these two new interface data models need to comply with the structure of NSF Monitoring Interface ( https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model-12 ) and Registration Interface ( https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-interface-dm-13 ). I have much interest in this work on remote NSF attestation for I2NSF WG and want to contribute to the development of this draft for I2NSF evolution toward security management automation. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:46 PM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com < yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is Penglin Yang from China Mobile Research Institute. Recently, we > composed a document named trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF > group. ( > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf/) > The motivation of this document is trying to use remote attestation > technology to augment the security and to enhance the trustworthiness of > NSF. In this document we illustrated the architecture of trsuted enhanced > I2NSF and the relevant interfaces. > > We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this document. And if you are > interested, we can work together to promote this idea to a better version. > > BR > Penglin Yang > CMCC > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > --0000000000006f284705d24be253 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Penglin,
I am Paul in charge of I2NSF YA= NG Data Models such as NSF Capability, Consumer-Facing Interface,=C2=A0
NSF-Facing Interface, Monitoring Interface, and Registration Interfa= ce.

I have read through your draft about remote NS= F attestation interfaces and=C2=A0
I became to know that your wor= k is well-assigned to the next step of I2NSF WG
for security mana= gement automation in the following draft:

The NSF attestation is very important= to provide customers with stable and trustworthy=C2=A0
I2NSF-bas= ed security services.

However, we need to clarify = the new components of your draft such as Endorser, Verifier/Relying Party,= =C2=A0
Reference Value Provider, and RoT (Root of Trust).
Endorser is defined in=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/dr= aft-ietf-rats-architecture as follows:
Endorser: A role perfo= rmed by an entity (typically a manufacturer) whose Endorsements help
<= div>Verifiers appraise the authenticity of Evidence.

I think Endorse can be part of Developer's Management System (DM= S) because DMS is=C2=A0
an entity to provide the capability=C2=A0= information of its NSF to Security Controller and also
a virtuali= zed NSF image as a VNF or container to the I2NSF framework.

<= /div>
The overall structure of YANG modules of Trust Enhanced NSF Monit= oring Interface and
Trust Enhanced Registration interface look go= od to me.
However, we need to make sure that these two new interf= ace data models need to comply with

I hav= e much interest in this work on remote NSF attestation for I2NSF WG and=C2= =A0
want to contribute to the development of this draft for I2NSF= evolution toward=C2=A0
security management automation.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Pa= ul


On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:46 PM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com <yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote:
=
Hi everyone,

This is Penglin Yan= g from China Mobile Research Institute.=C2=A0 Recently, we composed a docum= ent named=C2=A0 trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF group. (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-t= rust-enhanced-i2nsf/) The motivation of this document is trying to use = remote attestation technology to augment the security and to enhance the tr= ustworthiness of NSF. In this document we illustrated the architecture of t= rsuted enhanced I2NSF and the relevant interfaces.=C2=A0

We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this document. And if yo= u are interested, we can work together to promote this idea to a better ver= sion.

BR
Penglin Yang
CMCC=C2= =A0

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Worley wrote: > Addressing what seems to be the difficult issue: > > t petch writes: >> The trouble with the way that Last Call is organised is that the changes >> suggested below will pull this I-D out of line with the others >> potentially leading to contradiction and confusion. > > As I understand it, the only critique I presented of the overall > organization is: >>> But since the data model definition >>> does not depend on the overall architecture, the document should be >>> revised to either (1) remove unnecessary references to the overall >>> architecture, (2) segregate them in ways that show they are not needed >>> to understand the data model, or (3) carefully referenced back to the >>> documents that define them. > > My intention was to suggest multiple ways that this draft could be > adjusted so that it was clear to someone who hadn't already absorbed the > gestalt of the whole document set. There are likely other possibilities > as well. > > It seems to me that the approach that would require the least change is > (3), updating the terminology section to list all the terms that are > imported from the other documents and provide references to their > definitions. > > I would also give some consideration to whether there are > definitions/descriptions of the data items that could be clearly > understood without external references, but the current text requires > that external context to be easily understood. In such cases, it's > usually best to provide a "context-free" defintion, and then add an > explanatory sentence describing how that fits within the larger system. > > But I don't see any of this as pulling this draft away from the others. > Is there an example that comes to mind? Dale I think that your comments are excellent as comments on a isolated I-D but might not be such an improvement for the set of six (or seven or eight) that I reference. When these I-D first appeared, there was a debate on the WG list. This is not Event-Condition-Action. Oh yes it is. Oh no .. (we are in the pantomine season). I have seen a number of such divergences since. Your comment that there are two different definitions of Event in this I-D reminds me of this. If you add a terminology section to this, as I have seen other WG do, then you need to update all the other I-D with something similar IMHO and I have seen this take a lot of effort to get that consistent. I had forgotten, perhaps never knew, that there is an expired I-D on I2NSF Terminology. WIth hindsight, putting it all in there would simplify my task, but then might complicate one whose only interest is in - say - nsf-monitoring who would then need to reference two I-D instead of one. My approach has been to focus on the YANG and make that coherent with the other I-D in the set. I have mostly ignored the text. Your review, to me, focusses on the text and the inconsistencies therein and not the YANG. My concern is then that changing the text will introduce inconsistencies between text and YANG and between this I-D and the others in my set. There is a similar issue with the YANG that there is much overlap within the set of YANG modules (which I have worked to make consistent). WIth hindsight, a common module, two or three years ago, would have simplified my work but, as before, someone with only an interest in - say - nsf-monitoring would have yet another Normative Reference to become familiar with. 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Worley) To: t petch Cc: worley@ariadne.com, gen-art@ietf.org, i2nsf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model.all@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <61AB9AB2.6060005@btconnect.com> (ietfa@btconnect.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 17:49:58 -0500 Message-ID: <871r2qsm3t.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model-12 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:50:11 -0000 t petch writes: > I think that your comments are excellent as comments on a isolated I-D > but might not be such an improvement for the set of six (or seven or > eight) that I reference. When these I-D first appeared, there was a > debate on the WG list. This is not Event-Condition-Action. Oh yes it > is. Oh no .. (we are in the pantomine season). I have seen a number of > such divergences since. Your comment that there are two different > definitions of Event in this I-D reminds me of this. Frankly, I don't fully understand your point here. But I've been tasked with reviewing this document and have done so. Might I ask what your capacity is here; what is the context of our discussion? 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Hi P= aul,

It will be great that we could work together= on this draft. Maybe we could set up a meeting sometime when you are avai= lable.
Since this draft is still in the early version, I think t= he suggestion about Endorser and interface compliance could be fully consi= dered and make the final decison together. 

= BR 
Penglin    


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Date: 2021-12-04 14:10
To: yangpengl= in@chinamobile.com
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] = topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf
Hi Penglin,<= /div>
I am Paul in charge of I2NSF YANG Data Models such as NSF Capabi= lity, Consumer-Facing Interface, 
NSF-Facing Interface, Mon= itoring Interface, and Registration Interface.

I = have read through your draft about remote NSF attestation interfaces and&n= bsp;
I became to know that your work is well-assigned to the nex= t step of I2NSF WG
for security management automation in the fol= lowing draft:
The NSF attestation is very important to provide customers wi= th stable and trustworthy 
I2NSF-based security services.

However, we need to clarify the new components of = your draft such as Endorser, Verifier/Relying Party, 
Refer= ence Value Provider, and RoT (Root of Trust).
Endorser: A role performed by an entity = (typically a manufacturer) whose Endorsements help
Verifiers app= raise the authenticity of Evidence.

I think E= ndorse can be part of Developer's Management System (DMS) because DMS is&n= bsp;
an entity to provide the capability information of its= NSF to Security Controller and also
a virtualized NSF image as = a VNF or container to the I2NSF framework.

The ov= erall structure of YANG modules of Trust Enhanced NSF Monitoring Interface= and
Trust Enhanced Registration interface look good to me.
However, we need to make sure that these two new interface data mode= ls need to comply with

I have much= interest in this work on remote NSF attestation for I2NSF WG and 
want to contribute to the development of this draft for I2NSF evol= ution toward 
security management automation.
Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul<= /div>


On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:46 PM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com <yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote:
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Hi everyone,

This is Penglin Yang from= China Mobile Research Institute.  Recently, we composed a document n= amed  trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF group. (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-tru= st-enhanced-i2nsf/) The motivation of this document is trying to use r= emote attestation technology to augment the security and to enhance the tr= ustworthiness of NSF. In this document we illustrated the architecture of = trsuted enhanced I2NSF and the relevant interfaces. 

We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this document. And if= you are interested, we can work together to promote this idea to a better= version.

BR
Penglin Yang
CMC= C 
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Thank you for your concern about this proposal. I thin= k your questions are very meaningful,  and here is my response. First= of all, I think the three=0A questions are all aobut if we trust the rmot= e environment in where deploys NSF. If we don't trust the environment, the= threats may happen. So this document tries to figure out a general way to= mitigate that kinds of threats and enhance the security of the=0A NSF its= elf.

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    2=EF=BC=8CConsider = a secuiry company provides NSF in which contains lots of policy rules= such as DDoS prevention, traffic filtering,=0A etc. If the platform who c= arrys the NSF is malicious, it could steal this security asset for other p= urpose. The core asset of security knowledge is from the security controll= er, which provided by the security company. 

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Subject:&nb= sp;Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf

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Thank you v= ery much for posting the draft in I2NSF WG.=0A

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This is Penglin Yang from = China Mobile Research Institute.  Recently, we composed a document na= med  trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF group.=0A (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ya= ng-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf/)=0A The motivation of this docum= ent is trying to use remote attestation technology to augment the security= and to enhance the trustworthiness of NSF. In this document we illustrate= d the architecture of trsuted enhanced I2NSF and the relevant interfaces.&= nbsp;

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We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this document. A= nd if you are interested, we can work together to promote this idea to a b= etter version.<= /o:p>

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Please let me know the meeting date and time. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:39 AM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com < yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote: > Hi Paul, > > It will be great that we could work together on this draft. Maybe we could > set up a meeting sometime when you are available. > Since this draft is still in the early version, I think the suggestion > about Endorser and interface compliance could be fully considered and make > the final decison together. > > BR > Penglin > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong > *Date:* 2021-12-04 14:10 > *To:* yangpenglin@chinamobile.com > *CC:* i2nsf@ietf.org; skku-iotlab-members > ; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong > > *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf > Hi Penglin, > I am Paul in charge of I2NSF YANG Data Models such as NSF Capability, > Consumer-Facing Interface, > NSF-Facing Interface, Monitoring Interface, and Registration Interface. > > I have read through your draft about remote NSF attestation interfaces and > I became to know that your work is well-assigned to the next step of I2NSF > WG > for security management automation in the following draft: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jeong-i2nsf-security-management-automation/ > > The NSF attestation is very important to provide customers with stable and > trustworthy > I2NSF-based security services. > > However, we need to clarify the new components of your draft such as > Endorser, Verifier/Relying Party, > Reference Value Provider, and RoT (Root of Trust). > Endorser is defined in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rats-architecture as > follows: > Endorser: A role performed by an entity (typically a manufacturer) whose > Endorsements help > Verifiers appraise the authenticity of Evidence. > > I think Endorse can be part of Developer's Management System (DMS) because > DMS is > an entity to provide the capability information of its NSF to Security > Controller and also > a virtualized NSF image as a VNF or container to the I2NSF framework. > > The overall structure of YANG modules of Trust Enhanced NSF Monitoring > Interface and > Trust Enhanced Registration interface look good to me. > However, we need to make sure that these two new interface data models > need to comply with > the structure of NSF Monitoring Interface ( > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model-12 > ) > and Registration Interface ( > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-interface-dm-13 > ). > > I have much interest in this work on remote NSF attestation for I2NSF WG > and > want to contribute to the development of this draft for I2NSF evolution > toward > security management automation. > > Thanks. > > Best Regards, > Paul > > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:46 PM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com < > yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> This is Penglin Yang from China Mobile Research Institute. Recently, we >> composed a document named trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF >> group. ( >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf/) >> The motivation of this document is trying to use remote attestation >> technology to augment the security and to enhance the trustworthiness of >> NSF. In this document we illustrated the architecture of trsuted enhanced >> I2NSF and the relevant interfaces. >> >> We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this document. And if you are >> interested, we can work together to promote this idea to a better version. >> >> BR >> Penglin Yang >> CMCC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I2nsf mailing list >> I2nsf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >> > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > --000000000000d0b8ed05d27352fa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Penglin,
I will be available for an online meeting = next week.
Please let me know the meeting date and time.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
P= aul


On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:39 AM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com <yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wro= te:
Hi Paul,

It will be great that w= e could work together on this draft. Maybe we could set up a meeting someti= me when you are available.
Since this draft is still in the early= version, I think the suggestion about Endorser and interface compliance co= uld be fully considered and make the final decison together.=C2=A0

BR=C2=A0
Penglin =C2=A0 =C2=A0





=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A02021-12-04=C2=A014:10
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-ya= ng-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf
Hi Pen= glin,
I am Paul in charge of I2NSF YANG Data Models such as NSF C= apability, Consumer-Facing Interface,=C2=A0
NSF-Facing Interface,= Monitoring Interface, and Registration Interface.

I have read through your draft about remote NSF attestation interfaces and= =C2=A0
I became to know that your work is well-assigned to the ne= xt step of I2NSF WG
for security management automation in the fol= lowing draft:

The NSF attestation is very important to provid= e customers with stable and trustworthy=C2=A0
I2NSF-based securit= y services.

However, we need to clarify the new co= mponents of your draft such as Endorser, Verifier/Relying Party,=C2=A0
Reference Value Provider, and RoT (Root of Trust).
Endorser: A rol= e performed by an entity (typically a manufacturer) whose Endorsements help=
Verifiers appraise the authenticity of Evidence.
<= br>
I think Endorse can be part of Developer's Management Sys= tem (DMS) because DMS is=C2=A0
an entity to provide the capabilit= y=C2=A0information of its NSF to Security Controller and also
a v= irtualized NSF image as a VNF or container to the I2NSF framework.

The overall structure of YANG modules of Trust Enhanced NS= F Monitoring Interface and
Trust Enhanced Registration interface = look good to me.
However, we need to make sure that these two new= interface data models need to comply with

I have much interest in this work on = remote NSF attestation for I2NSF WG and=C2=A0
want to contribute = to the development of this draft for I2NSF evolution toward=C2=A0
security management automation.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul


On Thu, Dec 2, 2= 021 at 12:46 PM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com <yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote:<= br>
Hi everyone,

This is Penglin Yan= g from China Mobile Research Institute.=C2=A0 Recently, we composed a docum= ent named=C2=A0 trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF group. (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-t= rust-enhanced-i2nsf/) The motivation of this document is trying to use = remote attestation technology to augment the security and to enhance the tr= ustworthiness of NSF. In this document we illustrated the architecture of t= rsuted enhanced I2NSF and the relevant interfaces.=C2=A0

We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this document. And if yo= u are interested, we can work together to promote this idea to a better ver= sion.

BR
Penglin Yang
CMCC=C2= =A0

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Is next Tuesday 10 am GM +8 available for you?  ( If my guessin= g is right, you are in GM +9 timezone, that means your local time would be= 11am ? )
Here is the meeting link by Microsoft Teams. I am not = sure if it will work between us.  https://teams.live.com/meet/95442375483586 
Or if you have better e-meeting solutions we= could follow your arrangement. That will be very appreciated.

BR
Pengli= n

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Date: 2021-12-06 13:13
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] topic= about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf
Hi Penglin,
I will= be available for an online meeting next week.
Please let me kno= w the meeting date and time.

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Paul


On Mon, Dec= 6, 2021 at 11:39 AM yangpe= nglin@chinamobile.com <yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote:
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Hi Paul,
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It will be great that we could work together on this d= raft. Maybe we could set up a meeting sometime when you are available.
Since this draft is still in the early version, I think the suggest= ion about Endorser and interface compliance could be fully considered and = make the final decison together. 

BR 
Penglin    


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Subjec= t: Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf<= /div>
Hi Penglin,
I am Paul in= charge of I2NSF YANG Data Models such as NSF Capability, Consumer-Facing = Interface, 
NSF-Facing Interface, Monitoring Interface, and= Registration Interface.

I have read through your= draft about remote NSF attestation interfaces and 
I becam= e to know that your work is well-assigned to the next step of I2NSF WG
for security management automation in the following draft:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-jeong-i2nsf-security-management-automation/

The NSF attestation is very important to provide customers with s= table and trustworthy 
I2NSF-based security services.
=

However, we need to clarify the new components of your= draft such as Endorser, Verifier/Relying Party, 
Reference= Value Provider, and RoT (Root of Trust).
Endorser: A role performed= by an entity (typically a manufacturer) whose Endorsements help
Verifiers appraise the authenticity of Evidence.

=
I think Endorse can be part of Developer's Management System (DMS) be= cause DMS is 
an entity to provide the capability info= rmation of its NSF to Security Controller and also
a virtualized= NSF image as a VNF or container to the I2NSF framework.

The overall structure of YANG modules of Trust Enhanced NSF Monito= ring Interface and
Trust Enhanced Registration interface look go= od to me.
However, we need to make sure that these two new inter= face data models need to comply with

I have much interest in this work o= n remote NSF attestation for I2NSF WG and 
want to contribu= te to the development of this draft for I2NSF evolution toward 
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security management automation.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul


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On Thu, D= ec 2, 2021 at 12:46 PM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com <yangpenglin@chinamobile.com&g= t; wrote:
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Hi everyone,

This is Pengli= n Yang from China Mobile Research Institute.  Recently, we composed a= document named  trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF grou= p. (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yan= g-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf/) The motivation of this document is tryi= ng to use remote attestation technology to augment the security and to enh= ance the trustworthiness of NSF. In this document we illustrated the archi= tecture of trsuted enhanced I2NSF and the relevant interfaces. 
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We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this docum= ent. And if you are interested, we can work together to promote this idea = to a better version.

BR
Penglin Yang
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Please send substantive comments to the > last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2021-12-01. Exceptionally, comments may > be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning > of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Two thoughts. The YANG module imports from RFC8343 which must then be a Normative Reference but I cannot see such. The URL in the YANG module for contact should be 'datatracker' and not 'tools' Tom Petch > Abstract > > > This document proposes an information model and the corresponding > YANG data model of an interface for monitoring Network Security > Functions (NSFs) in the Interface to Network Security Functions > (I2NSF) framework. If the monitoring of NSFs is performed with the > NSF monitoring interface in a comprehensive way, it is possible to > detect the indication of malicious activity, anomalous behavior, the > potential sign of denial of service attacks, or system overload in a > timely manner. This monitoring functionality is based on the > monitoring information that is generated by NSFs. Thus, this > document describes not only an information model for the NSF > monitoring interface along with a YANG data diagram, but also the > corresponding YANG data model. > > > > > The file can be obtained via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model/ > > > The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3557/ > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3607/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > . > From nobody Mon Dec 6 09:36:13 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865183A0C6F; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:36:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.753 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.753 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.852, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btconnect.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xJwP9kaCm-Pb; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:36:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from EUR04-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr70131.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.7.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DFA93A0C71; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:35:59 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=dgaOLN0WGhVTBRm0K1LxT6u6/MiR8ATBoIAlheWU8WyHjIMqoeUqbpOIOygZGK51mSiRHUA8ayIRP9uYV7VpTkjZWR4uo0H212GWIw7AByCTQ3dUGk45HN4S7nvLC27bnhnzdjnB10wdOgVmYF5N5NSH/ndnHz8GvFDBSQsd3dvfv2SXtooJrFvswoaPOVssZVLsril3U/VwMsEqqs8GH30E+P5U6tTKqQNPgXNqcFa7JvUn2tBsglT8mTD3xN2wOycgi5GX3SvjWEtsYYGAS4Hbkxe6sEnoZt/qsXGjwAtcXUZMbu4JFocCNimiBjUTgRu2Uy1UBxgvxUMKjvlrug== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=mj6aGVcKsebhIJvTyYgCa/FSFYQEvI8F7kUaeh0+ggM=; b=Lk+sq6Tq57R//AuE+rQQ9hbylOAm/0auWl8Irn+T07qnH2XcTatVV0krOHxT4r96D4rayIUsM1C/aQSQQK4+hoQxM/iEOJJgpyvV7734ZCUnWrW4EQ3G7Hw1oKnFOxUCbZ+L7d5pYS4/n6l20v30/KNlLH2oN/z0tr7adrGPAE5EjJjmFZnP9V1sUGuQxhq7LoGEK45/rOz4bkYuHq8OVV5TDShZpvzbvS1S+Xa21dFJvDGlkQ0bn2p5kdCyGYorYWzLXi9xipP+vc+vm5NO8jWj+XSweuCoX/DwqnfdLpTDUgSeIfzpCC0tZ+Mmj+W6upAe25b1Yafd4196C6hY0w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=btconnect.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=btconnect.com; dkim=pass header.d=btconnect.com; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btconnect.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-btconnect-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=mj6aGVcKsebhIJvTyYgCa/FSFYQEvI8F7kUaeh0+ggM=; b=XiscR6/nS43a/YnwDxz+iE1fGRlgEELnvRSWoMAo3SkKHAux++7rPEPVplCVjBpw47xpUhzB13xaxxFdafToQAu6HFiWhosXQXTeuSiL9qt0FNEpRJtDjI+TkD9q/J1wJ1azlKRNqUrnzJk3taMWwsGh6dveHPQnfF/1+KTnBls= Authentication-Results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=btconnect.com; Received: from DB7PR07MB5546.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:10:73::23) by DB9PR07MB7963.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:10:26f::19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.4778.9; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 17:35:57 +0000 Received: from DB7PR07MB5546.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::2090:eb3c:59e2:b4b2]) by DB7PR07MB5546.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::2090:eb3c:59e2:b4b2%6]) with mapi id 15.20.4778.010; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 17:35:57 +0000 To: "Dale R. 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Worley wrote: > t petch writes: >> I think that your comments are excellent as comments on a isolated I-D >> but might not be such an improvement for the set of six (or seven or >> eight) that I reference. When these I-D first appeared, there was a >> debate on the WG list. This is not Event-Condition-Action. Oh yes it >> is. Oh no .. (we are in the pantomine season). I have seen a number of >> such divergences since. Your comment that there are two different >> definitions of Event in this I-D reminds me of this. > > Frankly, I don't fully understand your point here. But I've been tasked > with reviewing this document and have done so. Might I ask what your > capacity is here; what is the context of our discussion? Dale My capacity is a member of the I2NSF WG, one seeking to improve the quality of IETF I-D. The context, for me, is a cluster of I-D with many links between them; others will likely see a context of a single I-D. I am concerned that the cluster uses the same terminology, the same technology (in YANG) where that is appropriate, something I felt was not happening earlier in 2021 and have put effort into addressing. My concern is that a change that improves one I-D in isolation may not be an improvement in the context of the cluster. Last Call, and Directorate reviews, as currently structured, may not be well suited to this but it is the process that we have. 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Worley) To: t petch Cc: worley@ariadne.com, gen-art@ietf.org, i2nsf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model.all@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <61AE49F2.3070803@btconnect.com> (ietfa@btconnect.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 21:07:29 -0500 Message-ID: <87r1apupzy.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model-12 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2021 02:07:52 -0000 t petch writes: > My > concern is that a change that improves one I-D in isolation may not be > an improvement in the context of the cluster. Last Call, and > Directorate reviews, as currently structured, may not be well suited to > this but it is the process that we have. My assumption is that the authors are well aware that the I-Ds form a set and they will make any updates with that in mind. And of course, you can monitor the revisions and point out any places where they have become dis-aligned. Dale From nobody Mon Dec 6 23:23:16 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1C63A06E7 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 23:23:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.077 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.077 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_HK_NAME_FM_MR_MRS=0.01, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IooYU_sOfCRm for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 23:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com (mail-lf1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DB593A11F2 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 23:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id k37so31442421lfv.3 for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 23:23:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PQa/b7pWhxjJID6h/0gS24K7KZ+Gi/UUlBb9wVDMbgI=; b=ZIbMtp0Kg8ymrh5PkCB7IJKmJEtQRhzcJ+GactcGbpcmziyCRC2f1ZwwP8O68KnNLz 6KRrQ0NSHGQ/H5Wa7rgZQc4yX7dCvzu1wX1aj0fPDKRWCXMLJa3+5yzRQGSMKCtXh36L ToAvXkWIoCvb0VqjxADcj1jHCjqDIgv1fwzqbuusbvr+nbHCxgfAKnrJqIOATXYt6F4C aHe16xpIB8VntBx032sZ1TElsuFCtgQXTgl8eLubMaUVQkPi0o7aPb44c9fE/xMNd8Md orZQEsTGuWHQCXyzW6G1UX58GrR0+DLA9xQ2OobckQxG/YDINJSxmz5+x2CQFeWf3BBG rmrQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PQa/b7pWhxjJID6h/0gS24K7KZ+Gi/UUlBb9wVDMbgI=; b=EbHq9vAIJ85+tIwG2EjT2egQ3VDoDNUXPCws4Hk+jjy66YIr9RD39B9mayYz5kMAIz HxFjWlYqPxwsfB4ORy4S6PC08aW0NK8OAmUyaoQzIoSOPjwR03s+/0zPKKcOFY2UsFPU PPVgaUojF+0nYnFa0nePa7cbOlnxwQfdsJFPpwVhlNw+InEfK1di0qqqkJvJ7xc5FmvQ G+lTXdbM89xTnrnAOEuJLr5pNdIZQfTrHrzWw4hcf01FP8LQHu3aNW98uneLKJkPX4S/ BWGJaLXE94UKaJVMK6Q0qgjuxUHBaOZLopOeKFYj8zN+g2TzMpV3SRObhlP5ArXc7xkB 9gvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Dc5aSmLi+t/57tgCDauVH4G3tJ9TUiRqEkIyaw9qK41Xaw9J+ mD4fiQnnzQXL/HklgRVgh+511G6KAxdMCkoOpy0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyfONn7fxdwQ63IvlZqBMO5oeae4rHP2xpToWtOoCAPFxe2F0V/gfLmEDqsZXh+S9aOKxO5l/V8THrPdyBTdlw= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5f85:: with SMTP id r5mr40516390lfe.566.1638861786448; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 23:23:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2021120211461093165145@chinamobile.com> <2021120610392577251815@chinamobile.com> <2021120615314061519514@chinamobile.com> In-Reply-To: <2021120615314061519514@chinamobile.com> From: "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 16:22:31 +0900 Message-ID: To: "yangpenglin@chinamobile.com" Cc: "i2nsf@ietf.org" , skku-iotlab-members , "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009e07e705d2893e90" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2021 07:23:15 -0000 --0000000000009e07e705d2893e90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Penglin, The time and the teams meeting tool are okay to me. Thanks and see soon. Best Regards, Paul On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 4:32 PM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com < yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Is next Tuesday 10 am GM +8 available for you? ( If my guessing is right, > you are in GM +9 timezone, that means your local time would be 11am ? ) > Here is the meeting link by Microsoft Teams. I am not sure if it will work > between us. https://teams.live.com/meet/95442375483586 > Or if you have better e-meeting solutions we could follow your > arrangement. That will be very appreciated. > > BR > Penglin > > > *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong > *Date:* 2021-12-06 13:13 > *To:* yangpenglin@chinamobile.com > *CC:* i2nsf@ietf.org; skku-iotlab-members > ; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong > > *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf > Hi Penglin, > I will be available for an online meeting next week. > Please let me know the meeting date and time. > > Thanks. > > Best Regards, > Paul > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:39 AM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com < > yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> It will be great that we could work together on this draft. Maybe we >> could set up a meeting sometime when you are available. >> Since this draft is still in the early version, I think the suggestion >> about Endorser and interface compliance could be fully considered and make >> the final decison together. >> >> BR >> Penglin >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong >> *Date:* 2021-12-04 14:10 >> *To:* yangpenglin@chinamobile.com >> *CC:* i2nsf@ietf.org; skku-iotlab-members >> ; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong >> >> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf >> Hi Penglin, >> I am Paul in charge of I2NSF YANG Data Models such as NSF Capability, >> Consumer-Facing Interface, >> NSF-Facing Interface, Monitoring Interface, and Registration Interface. >> >> I have read through your draft about remote NSF attestation interfaces >> and >> I became to know that your work is well-assigned to the next step of >> I2NSF WG >> for security management automation in the following draft: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jeong-i2nsf-security-management-automation/ >> >> The NSF attestation is very important to provide customers with stable >> and trustworthy >> I2NSF-based security services. >> >> However, we need to clarify the new components of your draft such as >> Endorser, Verifier/Relying Party, >> Reference Value Provider, and RoT (Root of Trust). >> Endorser is defined in >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rats-architecture as >> follows: >> Endorser: A role performed by an entity (typically a manufacturer) whose >> Endorsements help >> Verifiers appraise the authenticity of Evidence. >> >> I think Endorse can be part of Developer's Management System (DMS) >> because DMS is >> an entity to provide the capability information of its NSF to Security >> Controller and also >> a virtualized NSF image as a VNF or container to the I2NSF framework. >> >> The overall structure of YANG modules of Trust Enhanced NSF Monitoring >> Interface and >> Trust Enhanced Registration interface look good to me. >> However, we need to make sure that these two new interface data models >> need to comply with >> the structure of NSF Monitoring Interface ( >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model-12 >> ) >> and Registration Interface ( >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-interface-dm-13 >> ). >> >> I have much interest in this work on remote NSF attestation for I2NSF WG >> and >> want to contribute to the development of this draft for I2NSF evolution >> toward >> security management automation. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Paul >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:46 PM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com < >> yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is Penglin Yang from China Mobile Research Institute. Recently, we >>> composed a document named trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF >>> group. ( >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf/) >>> The motivation of this document is trying to use remote attestation >>> technology to augment the security and to enhance the trustworthiness of >>> NSF. In this document we illustrated the architecture of trsuted enhanced >>> I2NSF and the relevant interfaces. >>> >>> We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this document. And if you >>> are interested, we can work together to promote this idea to a better >>> version. >>> >>> BR >>> Penglin Yang >>> CMCC >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> I2nsf mailing list >>> I2nsf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> I2nsf mailing list >> I2nsf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "skku-iotlab-members" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to skku-iotlab-members+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/skku-iotlab-members/2021120615314061519514%40chinamobile.com > > . > --0000000000009e07e705d2893e90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Penglin,
The time and the teams meeting tool are ok= ay to me.

Thanks and see soon.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 4:32 PM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com = <yangpenglin@chinamobile.= com> wrote:
Hi Paul,

Is next Tuesday 10 am GM +8 available for you? = =C2=A0( If my guessing is right, you are in GM +9 timezone, that means your= local time would be 11am ? )
Here is the meeting link by Microso= ft Teams. I am not sure if it will work between us. =C2=A0https://teams.live.com= /meet/95442375483586=C2=A0
Or if you have better= e-meeting solutions=C2=A0we could follow your arrangement. That will be ve= ry appreciated.

BR
Penglin
=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A02021-12-06=C2=A013:13
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-ya= ng-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf
Hi Penglin,=
I will be available for an online meeting next week.
Please = let me know the meeting date and time.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul


On M= on, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:39 AM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com <yangpenglin@chinamobile.com= > wrote:
Hi Paul,

It will be great that w= e could work together on this draft. Maybe we could set up a meeting someti= me when you are available.
Since this draft is still in the early= version, I think the suggestion about Endorser and interface compliance co= uld be fully considered and make the final decison together.=C2=A0

BR=C2=A0
Penglin =C2=A0 =C2=A0





=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A02021-12-04=C2=A014:10
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-ya= ng-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf
<= div>Hi Penglin,
I am Paul in charge of I2NSF YANG Data Models suc= h as NSF Capability, Consumer-Facing Interface,=C2=A0
NSF-Facing = Interface, Monitoring Interface, and Registration Interface.

=
I have read through your draft about remote NSF attestation inte= rfaces and=C2=A0
I became to know that your work is well-assigned= to the next step of I2NSF WG
for security management automation = in the following draft:

The NSF attestation is very important= to provide customers with stable and trustworthy=C2=A0
I2NSF-bas= ed security services.

However, we need to clarify = the new components of your draft such as Endorser, Verifier/Relying Party,= =C2=A0
Reference Value Provider, and RoT (Root of Trust).
Endorser is defined in=C2=A0https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rats-architecture as follows:
Endo= rser: A role performed by an entity (typically a manufacturer) whose Endors= ements help
Verifiers appraise the authenticity of Evidence.
<= /div>

I think Endorse can be part of Developer's Man= agement System (DMS) because DMS is=C2=A0
an entity to provide th= e capability=C2=A0information of its NSF to Security Controller and also
a virtualized NSF image as a VNF or container to the I2NSF framewor= k.

The overall structure of YANG modules of Trust = Enhanced NSF Monitoring Interface and
Trust Enhanced Registration= interface look good to me.
However, we need to make sure that th= ese two new interface data models need to comply with

I have much interest in th= is work on remote NSF attestation for I2NSF WG and=C2=A0
want to = contribute to the development of this draft for I2NSF evolution toward=C2= =A0
security management automation.

Than= ks.

Best Regards,
Paul


On = Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:46 PM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com <yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,

This is Penglin Yan= g from China Mobile Research Institute.=C2=A0 Recently, we composed a docum= ent named=C2=A0 trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF group. (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-t= rust-enhanced-i2nsf/) The motivation of this document is trying to use = remote attestation technology to augment the security and to enhance the tr= ustworthiness of NSF. In this document we illustrated the architecture of t= rsuted enhanced I2NSF and the relevant interfaces.=C2=A0

We sincerely welcome everyone to comment on this document. And if yo= u are interested, we can work together to promote this idea to a better ver= sion.

BR
Penglin Yang
CMCC=C2= =A0

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PengLin,

 

Can you send a calendar invite to me? I will try to = join.

 

Linda

 

From: I2nsf <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of yangpenglin@chinamobile.com
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 1:32 AM
To: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; skku-iotlab-members <skku-iotlab-members@goog= legroups.com>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2n= sf

 

Hi Paul,

 

Is next Tuesday 10 am GM +8 = available for you?  ( If my guessing is right, you are in GM +9 timezo= ne, that means your local time would be 11am ? )

Here is the meeting link by = Microsoft Teams. I am not sure if it will work between us.  https://team= s.live.com/meet/95442375483586 

Or if you have better e-meet= ing solutions we could follow your arrangement. That will be very appr= eciated.

 

BR

Penglin

 

 

Date: 2021-12-06 13:13

Subject:<= /span> Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-e= nhanced-i2nsf

Hi Penglin,

I will be available for an o= nline meeting next week.

Please let me know the meeti= ng date and time.

 

Thanks.

 

Best Regards,

Paul

 

 

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:39= AM yangpenglin@chinamobile.com<= /a> <yangpenglin@chinamob= ile.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,

 

It will be great that we cou= ld work together on this draft. Maybe we could set up a meeting sometime wh= en you are available.

Since this draft is still in= the early version, I think the suggestion about Endorser and interface com= pliance could be fully considered and make the final decison together. 

 

BR 

Penglin    

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date: 2021-12-04 14:10

Subject:<= /span> Re: [I2nsf] topic about draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-e= nhanced-i2nsf

Hi Penglin,

I am Paul in charge of I2NSF= YANG Data Models such as NSF Capability, Consumer-Facing Interface, <= o:p>

NSF-Facing Interface, Monito= ring Interface, and Registration Interface.

 

I have read through your dra= ft about remote NSF attestation interfaces and 

I became to know that your w= ork is well-assigned to the next step of I2NSF WG

for security management auto= mation in the following draft:

 

The NSF attestation is very = important to provide customers with stable and trustworthy =

I2NSF-based security service= s.

 

However, we need to clarify = the new components of your draft such as Endorser, Verifier/Relying Party,&= nbsp;

Reference Value Provider, an= d RoT (Root of Trust).

Endorser: A role performed b= y an entity (typically a manufacturer) whose Endorsements help

Verifiers appraise the authe= nticity of Evidence.

 

I think Endorse can be part = of Developer's Management System (DMS) because DMS is 

an entity to provide the cap= ability information of its NSF to Security Controller and also

a virtualized NSF image as a= VNF or container to the I2NSF framework.

 

The overall structure of YAN= G modules of Trust Enhanced NSF Monitoring Interface and<= /p>

Trust Enhanced Registration = interface look good to me.

However, we need to make sur= e that these two new interface data models need to comply with

 

I have much interest in this= work on remote NSF attestation for I2NSF WG and 

want to contribute to the de= velopment of this draft for I2NSF evolution toward <= /p>

security management automati= on.

 

Thanks.

 

Best Regards,

Paul

 

 

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:46= PM yangpengli= n@chinamobile.com <yangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

This is Penglin Yang from Ch= ina Mobile Research Institute.  Recently, we composed a document named=   trust enhanced I2NSF and submitted to the I2NSF group. (https://datatracker.ietf.org= /doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf/) The motivation of this document is trying to use remote attestation techno= logy to augment the security and to enhance the trustworthiness of NSF. In = this document we illustrated the architecture of trsuted enhanced I2NSF and= the relevant interfaces. 

 

We sincerely welcome everyon= e to comment on this document. And if you are interested, we can work toget= her to promote this idea to a better version.

 

BR

Penglin Yang

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Hi Linda,

Does this work for you?

BEIJING, China
10:00a Tue, Dec 14= 2021

UTC, Coordinated Universal Time
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Thank you for your interesting about this to= pic and very welcome to work on this document together.
I think&= nbsp;the ideas of  new charter will improve the ability of NSF d= ramatically. In fact, I am also paying close attention to the DINGR and CO= INRG. I haven't have a clear clue about how to bring DIN or COIN in I2NSF = yet. But for sure that is one of the main trends in future network. <= span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-color: trans= parent;">If there is something new, we could share to each other.

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Many thanks for this. The integration of I2NSF with the recent results i= n the area of remote attestation is one of the aspects we wanted to consid= er in an I2NSF rechartering=0A proposal we are finalizing and will share o= n the list soon. Actually, our ideas go along the following issues to impr= ove the I2NSF approach to security function management:<= /span>

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=0A<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif;">As you can imagine, we very much welcome this document and would b= e extremely interested in collaborating with you in developing it and the = general approach to enhance trust in SFs=0A managed through I2NSF.

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Be goode= ,

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Dr Diego R. Lopez

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr2lopez/ 

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On 02/12/2021, = 04:46, "I2nsf on behalf of=0Ayangpenglin@chinamobi= le.com" <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of= =0Ayangpenglin@chinamobile.com> wrote:=

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Hi everyone,=0A

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This is Penglin Yang from China Mobile Research Instit= ute.  Recently, we composed a document named  trust enhanced I2N= SF and=0A submitted to the I2NSF group. (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-yang-i2nsf-trust-enhanced-i2nsf/) The motivation of this document is= trying to use remote attestation technology to augment the security and t= o enhance the trustworthiness of NSF. In this=0A document we illustrated t= he architecture of trsuted enhanced I2NSF and the relevant interfaces.&nbs= p;

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We sincerely welcome everyone to= comment on this document. And if you are interested, we can work together= to promote this=0A idea to a better version.

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Reply-To: drafts-expert-review-comment@iana.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: IANA X-RT-Ticket: IANA #1216989 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.4.3 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: sabrina.tanamal@icann.org CC: mt@lowentropy.net, tbray@textuality.com, i2nsf@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:28:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [I2nsf] [IANA #1216989] Expert review for draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm (xml-registry) X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:28:36 -0000 Hi Martin and Tim, Have you had a chance to review this request? Thanks, Sabrina Tanamal Lead IANA Services Specialist On Thu Nov 18 15:50:36 2021, michelle.cotton wrote: > Hi Martin and Tim, > (CC to the i2nsf WG) > > As designated experts for the IETF XML Registry, > can you please review the XML ns registration in this document? > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm/ > > The due date for this request is 02 December 2021. > > Thank you, > > Michelle Cotton > IANA Services From nobody Thu Dec 16 16:26:03 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B266B3A07DE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:26:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.626 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TA4FdFqhECvT for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.lax.icann.org (smtp.lax.icann.org [192.0.33.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CD93A07D6 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from request4.lax.icann.org (request1.lax.icann.org [10.32.11.221]) by smtp.lax.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5795E39AC; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 00:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by request4.lax.icann.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id E0DBA20737; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 00:25:55 +0000 (UTC) RT-Owner: amanda.baber From: "Amanda Baber via RT" Reply-To: drafts-expert-review-comment@iana.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: IANA X-RT-Ticket: IANA #1217705 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.4.3 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: amanda.baber@icann.org CC: i2nsf@ietf.org, tbray@textuality.com, mt@lowentropy.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 00:25:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [I2nsf] [IANA #1217705] Expert Review for draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model-12 (xml-registry) X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 00:26:01 -0000 Hi Tim and Martin (cc: i2nsf WG), Have you had a chance to review the XML registration in this document? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model/ thanks, Amanda On Tue Nov 30 21:38:22 2021, michelle.cotton wrote: > Dear Tim and Martin, > (cc to i2nsf WG) > > As the designated experts for the ns IETF xml registry, can you review > the proposed registration in draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data- > model-12 for us? Please see > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data- > model/ > > If this is OK, when the IESG approves the document for publication, > we'll make the registration at > > https://www.iana.org/assignments/xml-registry > > The IESG has asked us to set a two-week deadline for registration > reviews. 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For it to work, (a) the prefix in the alarm-category element MUST be the same as the namespace prefix for urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring, which means that XML software MUST be chosen that makes the namespace prefix information available. I don't think it's OK for the draft not to say those thigns. nsfmi:memory-alarm On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 4:25 PM Amanda Baber via RT < drafts-expert-review-comment@iana.org> wrote: > Hi Tim and Martin (cc: i2nsf WG), > > Have you had a chance to review the XML registration in this document? > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model/ > > thanks, > Amanda > > On Tue Nov 30 21:38:22 2021, michelle.cotton wrote: > > Dear Tim and Martin, > > (cc to i2nsf WG) > > > > As the designated experts for the ns IETF xml registry, can you review > > the proposed registration in draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data- > > model-12 for us? Please see > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data- > > model/ > > > > If this is OK, when the IESG approves the document for publication, > > we'll make the registration at > > > > https://www.iana.org/assignments/xml-registry > > > > The IESG has asked us to set a two-week deadline for registration > > reviews. The due date for this request is 14 December 2021. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Michelle Cotton > > IANA Services > > --0000000000002b78a605d34ec898 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, but this has the same problem in figure 11.1 that we&#= 39;ve just been discussing with Ian.

For it to work, (a) the prefix in the alarm-category element MU= ST be the same as the namespace prefix for urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf= -i2nsf-nsf-monitoring, which means that XML software MUST be chosen that ma= kes the namespace prefix information available.=C2=A0 I don't think it&= #39;s OK for the draft not to say those thigns.

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On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 4:25 PM= Amanda Baber via RT <drafts-expert-review-comment@iana.org> wrote:
Hi Tim and Martin (cc: i2nsf WG),

Have you had a chance to review the XML registration in this document?

https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model/

thanks,
Amanda

On Tue Nov 30 21:38:22 2021, michelle.cotton wrote:
> Dear Tim and Martin,
> (cc to i2nsf WG)
>
> As the designated experts for the ns IETF xml registry, can you review=
> the proposed registration in draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-
> model-12 for us? Please see
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-
> model/
>
> If this is OK, when the IESG approves the document for publication, > we'll make the registration at
>
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/xml-registry<= br> >
> The IESG has asked us to set a two-week deadline for registration
> reviews. The due date for this request is 14 December 2021.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michelle Cotton
> IANA Services

--0000000000002b78a605d34ec898-- From nobody Fri Dec 17 07:51:54 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F113A0060 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:51:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=textuality-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id icknQv63d2o9 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf1-x12d.google.com (mail-lf1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A94933A005F for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id d10so5517492lfg.6 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:51:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=textuality-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UOLwpF/CxH3tEKCfigAn2l/sjOqWTYRIM9lNlS/BTGw=; b=79gzrUSTGW2JZM4mZy/63hfBQppMT90jIuC82pue6FZgZc3iIv5Qd3gfipr08ixNlh rZvC8hkrbEryJfK4gOBbtcZA52ce/j+I4epjom8gLeAUbyoKL+NokMOqT0mTO0vggte8 4chJRWLmH4w7WAiBSLtMRFGA+OUnyw8Bjj9TmqB1G1OqwD265vJjhw6pjnTY5skwxGDg aDT315Nd9BX0c1prfy8LYDmqn5kZ6eflO1e+ffO9RYmUfpILpnmU35Ahe+VT2+zUGUpy jLCzkGUZ00gXKYiAc93XMPWxVg8TyjWS2RkVWIvl3NLaB66feVtX36J6InpvNPS7B19B 8AmQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UOLwpF/CxH3tEKCfigAn2l/sjOqWTYRIM9lNlS/BTGw=; b=QraWccHjKIMk1Q+fSHK/KFzV651hGeCFyXhtxcCieAVzJA4n+3AQkNQgusvPup53I5 88hVjnBNvy5p1zZUFBjB/ijWdbS88V8TesFi9HAXP78SO1NnVUaNUcpd3OHEhwIApU4M 5A7H7HrHzAlq0vFp4m4WzyO7PTnmqiTC3EmHw4KeUyYrhxQPsJAiFvJKTcfcQL2TFxrY ZwRiZyqPcXkdr+dp9zyN4XavaOWULBBmZWkLqBMdTGLwnk5W6YBYKYGiiBhqjJi0dEt1 MXMUVv639GYX27g2X17VfvpnZyrDIGsxQ391vkRygv61uL/SjAcoE9GUj4TzwV5WBkTr spVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530BvLXgGVhgoZtLMm/8Pdd9PJA0tjg+66kUzEVEn/vbRUo2nXr+ 4Y3Y5JcZODWLTJWdwmmrmV7QWvRcRlIZN3vKMSbTTAeEt7U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw5juQa6NWSrIat72USy4N1vMlcFjN2ZGqGkOyecF6tmd8LUAlOGIAYwjjsC76kVXsFOy6mjGLX1cMTH7Nb6oQ= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4e0d:: with SMTP id e13mr3374565lfr.388.1639756302842; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:51:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tim Bray Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:51:31 -0800 Message-ID: To: Amanda Baber via RT Cc: Martin Thomson , i2nsf@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f3117005d3598353" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] [IANA #1216989] Expert review for draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm (xml-registry) X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 15:51:52 -0000 --000000000000f3117005d3598353 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Pardon the delay. That one looks OK to me. On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:28 AM Sabrina Tanamal via RT < drafts-expert-review-comment@iana.org> wrote: > Hi Martin and Tim, > > Have you had a chance to review this request? > > Thanks, > > Sabrina Tanamal > Lead IANA Services Specialist > > On Thu Nov 18 15:50:36 2021, michelle.cotton wrote: > > Hi Martin and Tim, > > (CC to the i2nsf WG) > > > > As designated experts for the IETF XML Registry, > > can you please review the XML ns registration in this document? > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm/ > > > > The due date for this request is 02 December 2021. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Michelle Cotton > > IANA Services > > --000000000000f3117005d3598353 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Par= don the delay. That one looks OK to me.

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:28 = AM Sabrina Tanamal via RT <drafts-expert-review-comment@iana.org> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);pa= dding-left:1ex">Hi Martin and Tim,

Have you had a chance to review this request?

Thanks,

Sabrina Tanamal
Lead IANA Services Specialist

On Thu Nov 18 15:50:36 2021, michelle.cotton wrote:
> Hi Martin and Tim,
> (CC to the i2nsf WG)
>
> As designated experts for the IETF XML Registry,
> can you please review the XML ns registration in this document?
>
> https://datatracker.i= etf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm/
>
> The due date for this request is 02 December 2021.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michelle Cotton
> IANA Services

--000000000000f3117005d3598353-- From nobody Mon Dec 27 18:23:13 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92793A0886 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:23:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.629 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.629 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zao_aU-z1ZeP for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.lax.icann.org (smtp.lax.icann.org [192.0.33.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E874D3A087F for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from request4.lax.icann.org (request1.lax.icann.org [10.32.11.221]) by smtp.lax.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B67E37CC; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 02:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by request4.lax.icann.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 56273203C8; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 02:23:05 +0000 (UTC) RT-Owner: amanda.baber From: "Amanda Baber via RT" Reply-To: drafts-expert-review-comment@iana.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: IANA X-RT-Ticket: IANA #1217705 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.4.3 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: amanda.baber@icann.org CC: i2nsf@ietf.org, patricklink@skku.edu, henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de, dunbar.ll@gmail.com, ynir.ietf@gmail.com, kaduk@mit.edu, frank.xialiang@huawei.com, pauljeong@skku.edu, rdd@cert.org, linda.dunbar@futurewei.com, shares@ndzh.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 02:23:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [I2nsf] [IANA #1217705] Expert Review for draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model-12 (xml-registry) X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 02:23:11 -0000 Dear Authors, Is there anything you'd like us to send back to the XML reviewers at this point? If you have any questions you'd like us to forward, just let us know. thanks, Amanda Baber IANA Operations Manager On Fri Dec 17 18:41:40 2021, amanda.baber wrote: > Dear Authors, > > The XML registry expert has identified an issue with the registration > in this document: > > === > > For it to work, (a) the prefix in the alarm-category element MUST be > the same as the namespace prefix for urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf- > i2nsf-nsf-monitoring, which means that XML software MUST be chosen > that makes the namespace prefix information available. I don't think > it's OK for the draft not to say those things. > > xmlns:nsfmi="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:\ > ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring"> > nsfmi:memory-alarm > > > === > > Best regards, > > Amanda Baber > IANA Operations Manager