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>Have I somehow missed the information about getting IP addresses early for
>laptops that need to be configured for firewalls?  Will they be available
>before the IETF?

Phil, I just send the E-mail below to the IETF announcement list.
Sorry for the delay.
Dave

>--->  Phil

>Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:30:32 +0200 (MET DST)
>To: ietf-announce@ietf.org
>Subject: Munich - 39th IETF Terminal Room Annoucement
>Cc: Philip.Horn@ecrc.de, hubert@multinet.de, maly@multinet.de,
>        Todd.Ferguson@ecrc.de, noc@ecrc.de
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>Dear IETF Munich attendees,
>
>This message contains some information about the terminal room for 
>the 39th IETF meeting to be held in Munich, Germany, 11-15 August 1997. 
>Sorry about the delay in getting this info. out to you for those who
>need to pre-cofigure firewalls etc.
>
>The terminal room will be located in the Munich Room, basement level
>if the Sheraton Hotel.
>
>The terminal room will be available at the latest from 12:00 on Sunday
>to 12:00 on Friday with Help Desk coverage from 8 am to 8pm.
>
>The terminal room will be eqipped with 
>
>o       4 Fujitsu/ICL Printers (3 plain paper & 1 overhead transparencies)
>o       30 Silicon Graphics O2 Workstations.
>o       20 PCs/Network Computers Siemens-Nixdorf and two servers
>
>All the SGIs and PCs will be numbered out of the Class-C network 
>195.27.192.128/25
>
>All SGIs will have Netscape Navigator 3.0, Netscape Mail und News Reader 2.0.
>All PCs will operate Win-95, Microsoft Internet Explorer, MS-Office 97.
>
>There will be 100 10BaseT drops for laptops and few Localtalk drops for 
>those with Macs.
>
>All of the laptops will be numbered out of the Class C network
>195.27.194.0/23.
>
>Digital will be providing some 2.422 GHz RoamAbout adapters and 3 access
>points for the 39th IETF. These will be numbered out of the Class-C network
>195.27.193.0/24.
>
>A DHCP server (195.27.192.0/27) will be operating to allocate addresses 
>to DHCP speaking clients.
>
>All machines will be part of the domain ietf.de.
>
>Looking forward to seeing everyone in Munich.
>
>Best regards,
>Dave Morton
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Dear IETF Munich attendees,

This message contains some information about the terminal room for 
the 39th IETF meeting to be held in Munich, Germany, 11-15 August 1997. 
Sorry about the delay in getting this info. out to you for those who
need to pre-cofigure firewalls etc.

The terminal room will be located in the Munich Room, basement level
if the Sheraton Hotel.

The terminal room will be available at the latest from 12:00 on Sunday
to 12:00 on Friday with Help Desk coverage from 8 am to 8pm.

The terminal room will be eqipped with 

o       4 Fujitsu/ICL Printers (3 plain paper & 1 overhead transparencies)
o       30 Silicon Graphics O2 Workstations.
o       20 PCs/Network Computers Siemens-Nixdorf and two servers

All the SGIs and PCs will be numbered out of the Class-C network 
195.27.192.128/25

All SGIs will have Netscape Navigator 3.0, Netscape Mail und News Reader 2.0.
All PCs will operate Win-95, Microsoft Internet Explorer, MS-Office 97.

There will be 100 10BaseT drops for laptops and few Localtalk drops for 
those with Macs.

All of the laptops will be numbered out of the Class C network
195.27.194.0/23.

Digital will be providing some 2.422 GHz RoamAbout adapters and 3 access
points for the 39th IETF. These will be numbered out of the Class-C network
195.27.193.0/24.

A DHCP server (195.27.192.0/27) will be operating to allocate addresses 
to DHCP speaking clients.

All machines will be part of the domain ietf.de.

Looking forward to seeing everyone in Munich.

Best regards,
Dave Morton

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It would be very useful to have SSH installed on the PC and SGI, if it is
possible.

To download: http://www.DataFellows.com/f-secure/ssh/download.htm

Regards, Marc.

At 07:48 97-08-01 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear IETF Munich attendees,
>
>This message contains some information about the terminal room for 
>the 39th IETF meeting to be held in Munich, Germany, 11-15 August 1997. 
>Sorry about the delay in getting this info. out to you for those who
>need to pre-cofigure firewalls etc.
>
>The terminal room will be located in the Munich Room, basement level
>if the Sheraton Hotel.
>
>The terminal room will be available at the latest from 12:00 on Sunday
>to 12:00 on Friday with Help Desk coverage from 8 am to 8pm.
>
>The terminal room will be eqipped with 
>
>o       4 Fujitsu/ICL Printers (3 plain paper & 1 overhead transparencies)
>o       30 Silicon Graphics O2 Workstations.
>o       20 PCs/Network Computers Siemens-Nixdorf and two servers
>
>All the SGIs and PCs will be numbered out of the Class-C network 
>195.27.192.128/25
>
>All SGIs will have Netscape Navigator 3.0, Netscape Mail und News Reader 2.0.
>All PCs will operate Win-95, Microsoft Internet Explorer, MS-Office 97.
>
>There will be 100 10BaseT drops for laptops and few Localtalk drops for 
>those with Macs.
>
>All of the laptops will be numbered out of the Class C network
>195.27.194.0/23.
>
>Digital will be providing some 2.422 GHz RoamAbout adapters and 3 access
>points for the 39th IETF. These will be numbered out of the Class-C network
>195.27.193.0/24.
>
>A DHCP server (195.27.192.0/27) will be operating to allocate addresses 
>to DHCP speaking clients.
>
>All machines will be part of the domain ietf.de.
>
>Looking forward to seeing everyone in Munich.
>
>Best regards,
>Dave Morton
>
>
>
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>It would be very useful to have SSH installed on the PC and SGI, if it is
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>
>To download: http://www.DataFellows.com/f-secure/ssh/download.htm
>
>Regards, Marc.

Marc, that can be done - thanks for pointer.
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	Title		: User-based Security Model (USM) for version 3 of the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMPv3)
	Author(s)	: Bert Wijnen and U. Blumenthal
	Filename	: draft-ietf-snmpv3-usm-01.txt
	Pages		: 72
	Date		: 31-Jul-97
	
This document describes the User-based Security Model (USM) for SNMP
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the Elements of Procedure for providing SNMP message level security.
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	Title		: View-based Access Control Model for the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP)
	Author(s)	: Keith McCloghrie and Bert Wijnen and Randy Presuhn
	Filename	: draft-ietf-snmpv3-acm-02.txt
	Pages		: 38
	Date		: 31-Jul-97
	
This document describes the View-based Access Control Model for use
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	Title		: Uniform Resource Locators (URL): 
                          DNS URL Naming Scheme
	Author(s)	: Y. Goland
	Filename	: draft-goland-url-dns-00.txt
	Pages		: 2
	Date		: 31-Jul-97
	
This document proposes mapping DNS names into the URL scheme space for
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	Title		: An Extensible Message Format for 
                          Message Disposition Notifications
	Author(s)	: Roger Fajman
	Filename	: draft-ietf-receipt-mdn-05.txt
	Pages		: 30
	Date		: 1997-07-31
	
This memo defines a MIME content-type that may be used by a mail
user agent (UA) or electronic mail gateway to report the disposition
of a message after it has been sucessfully delivered to a recipient.
This content-type is intended to be machine-processable.  Additional
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proprietary 'LAN-based' systems, and often referred to as 'read
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	Title		: Universal Forms Description Language Specification 
                          Version 3.2
	Author(s)	: D. Manning, R. Bennett, J. Boyer, 
                          S. McLellan, M. Mansell
	Filename	: draft-gordon-ufdl-spec-00.txt
	Pages		: 148
	Date		: 31-Jul-97
	
The Universal Forms Description Language (UFDL) describes complex
    business forms for use over the Internet. The objective of the UFDL
    is to enable the creation of cross-platform Internet business forms
    that (1) contain both the complex logic and precise layout that
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	Title		: SSH Authentication Protocol
	Author(s)	: T. Ylonen
	Filename	: draft-ietf-secsh-userauth-01.txt
	Pages		: 12
	Date		: 1997-07-31
	
This documents describes the SSH authentication protocol.  It is used to 
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	Title		: SSH Transport Layer Protocol
	Author(s)	: T. Ylonen
	Filename	: draft-ietf-secsh-transport-01.txt
	Pages		: 22
	Date		: 1997-07-31
	
This document describes the SSH transport layer protocol.  The protocol 
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	Title		: Definition of the inetOrgPerson Object Class
	Author(s)	: Mark Smith
	Filename	: draft-ietf-asid-inetorgperson-01.txt
	Pages		: 17
	Date		: 1997-07-31
	
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	Title		: The C LDAP Application Program Interface
	Author(s)	: Chris Weider and Tim Howes and Mark Smith and M. Wahl and A. Herron
	Filename	: draft-ietf-asid-ldap-c-api-00.txt
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This document defines a C language application program interface to the
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previous definition of this API, defined in RFC 1823, updating it to
include support for features found in version 3 of the LDAP protocol.
New extended operation functions were added to support LDAPv3 features
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	Title		: IP Payload Compression Using LZS
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	Title		: Uniform Resource Locators (URL): DNS URL Naming 
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	Author(s)	: Y. Goland
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	Title		: Logical IP Subnetworks over IEEE 802.14 Services
	Author(s)	: M. Laubach
	Filename	: draft-laubach-ip-over-802d14-00.txt
	Pages		: 13
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This memo defines an initial application of classical IP and ARP in
   an IEEE 802.14 Community Access Television (CATV) Residential Access
   Network environment.  IEEE 802.14 services provide two independent
   link layer service interfaces which are available to support IP
   residential access networking services: traditional Ethernet bridging
   (via IEEE 802.1D layer services) and residential ATM networking
   services.
 
   In this memo, the term Logical IP Subnetwork (LIS) is defined to
   apply to Classical IP over ATM LIS's operating over IEEE 802.14
   services as well as traditional IP over Ethernet operating over IEEE
   802.14 services.
 
   The recommendations in this draft rely on existing IETF standards for
   the family of Classical IP and ARP over ATM (IPOA) services and for
   IP and ARP over Broadcast Ethernet networks.  The tree-based
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	Title		: SNMPv3 Applications
	Author(s)	: B. Stewart, D. Levi, P. Meyer
	Filename	: draft-ietf-snmpv3-appl-01.txt
	Pages		: 68
	Date		: 01-Aug-97
	
   This memo describes the various types of SNMP applications which make
   use of an SNMP engine as described in [SNMP-ARCH].  There are five
   types of application described herein:

       -  Applications which initiate SNMP Get, GetNext, GetBulk, and/or
          Set requests, called 'command generators'.

       -  Applications which respond to SNMP Get, GetNext, GetBulk,
          and/or Set requests, called 'command responders'.
 
       -  Applications which generate notifications, called
          'notification originators'.

      -  Applications which forward SNMP Get, GetNext, GetBulk, and/or
          Set requests or notifications, called 'proxy forwarders'.
             
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	Title		: Public Key Cryptography 
                          for Initial Authentication in Kerberos
	Author(s)	: C. Neuman, J. Wray, B. Tung, 
                          J. Trostle, A. Medvinsky
	Filename	: draft-ietf-cat-kerberos-pk-init-04.txt
	Pages		: 13
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This document defines extensions (PKINIT) to the Kerberos protocol
    specification (RFC 1510 [1]) to provide a method for using public
    key cryptography during initial authentication.  The methods
    defined specify the ways in which preauthentication data fields and
    error data fields in Kerberos messages are to be used to transport
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	Title		: Mobility Support in IPv6
	Author(s)	: C. Perkins, D. Johnson
	Filename	: draft-ietf-mobileip-ipv6-03.txt
	Pages		: 58
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This document specifies the operation of mobile computers using IPv6.
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	Title		: Simple Transaction Security (STS)
	Author(s)	: B. Tung
	Filename	: draft-tung-transsec-sts-01.txt
	Pages		: 4
	Date		: 01-Aug-97
	
    This document describes Simple Transaction Security (STS), a
    protocol for specifying services and protocols used to secure an
    enclosed message.  The framework is flexible enough to allow a wide
    variety of protocols to be used, at the cost of some negotiation and
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	Title		: The Public Key Login Protocol
	Author(s)	: D. Kemp
	Filename	: draft-kemp-auth-pklogin-03.txt
	Pages		: 18
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This document defines the Public Key Login (PKL) protocol, a challenge-
response authentication mechanism using digital signatures. It provides
start-of-session authentication for firewall proxies, dial-up Network
Access Servers, remote email servers, and interactive protocols such as
Telnet and FTP. It provides functionality similar to One Time Passwords
and handheld authentication tokens, and it supports both one-way and
mutual authentication. PKL uses the authentication exchanges specified
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The PKL protocol provides strong authentication at the beginning of a
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integrity mechanism, for example to provide authentication of individual
users over (host-keyed) Virtual Private Network connections.
 
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	Title		: Extensions for Distributed Authoring and Versioning on the World Wide Web -- WEBDAV
	Author(s)	: J. Whitehead, D. Jensen, S. Carter, Y. Goland, A. Faizi
	Filename	: draft-ietf-webdav-protocol-01.txt
	Pages		: 65
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This Document specifies a set of methods and content-types
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	Title		: HTTP State Management Mechanism (Rev1)
	Author(s)	: D. Kristol, L. Montulli
	Filename	: draft-ietf-http-state-man-mec-03.txt,.ps
	Pages		: 22
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This document specifies a way to create a stateful session with HTTP
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Cookie2, which carry state information between participating origin
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	Title		: IP Encapsulating Security Payload (ESP) for Implementors
	Author(s)	: W. Simpson
	Filename	: draft-simpson-esp-v2-00.txt
	Pages		: 15
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This document describes a confidentiality mechanism for IP datagrams.
Payload headers are encapsulated within an opaque envelope.  Under
some circumstances, authentication and integrity are optionally 
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	Title		: DHCP Relay Agent Information Option
	Author(s)	: M. Patrick
	Filename	: draft-ietf-dhc-agent-options-02.txt
	Pages		: 11
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
Newer high-speed public Internet access technologies call for a
   high-speed modem to have a LAN attachment to one or more user hosts.
   It is advantageous to use DHCP to assign user host IP addresses in
   this environment, but a number of security and scaling problems arise
   with such 'public' DHCP use.  This draft calls for the definition of
   a 'DHCP Relay Agent Information' option that is appended to a DHCP
   packet forwarded from a client to a server by a relay agent.  The
   Server may or may not use the information in the the Relay Agent
   Information option; in either case, it echoes back the option
   verbatim in server-to-client replies.
 
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   and a 'remote ID' which provides a trusted identifier for the remote
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	Title		: Tag Image File Format (TIFF) - image/tiff 
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	Author(s)	: G. Parsons, J. Rafferty
	Filename	: draft-ietf-fax-tiff-reg-01.txt
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	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
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	Title		: Internet Calendar Model Specification
	Author(s)	: J. Noerenberg
	Filename	: draft-ietf-calsch-mod-01.txt
	Pages		: 17
	Date		: 01-Aug-97
	
Internet Calendaring and Scheduling protocols require the definition
of objects to encapsulate an event to be scheduled, a calendar on 
which the event will be stored, and means for exchanging these objects 
across the Internet between calendars on behalf of people for whom the
calendars are meaningful. This document gives an abstract model of the
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	Title		: DHCP Option for IPv6 Transitions
	Author(s)	: D. Harrington
	Filename	: draft-harrington-ngtrans-dhcp-option-00.txt
	Pages		: 4
	Date		: 1-Aug-97
	
This draft introduces a proposed DHCP option which could be helpful
in establishing connectivity between isolated IPv6 hosts and routers
in an IPv4 network.  This work is introduced to the NGTrans Working
Group initially, and will also be reviewed in the DHCP Working
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	Title		: RTP Payload for Redundant Audio Data
	Author(s)	: M. Handley, C. Perkins, I. Kouvelas, 
                          O. Hodson, J. Bolot, A. Vega-Garcia, 
                          S. Fosse-Parisis, V. Hardman
	Filename	: draft-ietf-avt-rtp-redundancy-01.txt,.ps
	Pages		: 10
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This document describes a payload format for use with the
    real-time transport protocol (RTP), version 2, for encoding
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    described herein is the development of audio conferencing
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	Title		: DHCP Options for Locating LDAP Servers
	Author(s)	: L. Hedstrom, L. Howard
	Filename	: draft-hedstrom-dhc-ldap-00.txt
	Pages		: 4
	Date		: 01-Aug-97
	
   This document defines a new DHCP option for delivering configuration
   information to LDAP (Lightweight Directory Access Protocol) clients.
   The information returned is represented as LDAP URLs, as specified in
   the LDAPv3 URL draft[1].
 
   The DHCP client may use the URLs returned by the DHCP server to
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	Title		: Securing FTP with TLS
	Author(s)	: E. Murray, P. Ford-Hutchinson, 
                          T. Hudson, M. Carpenter
	Filename	: draft-murray-auth-ftp-ssl-02.txt
	Pages		: 26
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This document describes a mechanism that can be used by FTP clients
   and servers to implement security and authentication using the TLS
   protocol defined by the IETF TLS working group and the extensions to
   the FTP protocol defined by the IETF CAT working group.  It describes
   the subset of the extensions that are required and the parameters to
   be used; discusses some of the policy issues that clients and servers
   will need to take; considers some of the implications of those
   policies and discusses some expected behaviours of implementations to
   allow interoperation.
 
   TLS is not the only mechanism for securing file transfer, however it
   does offer some of the following positive attributes:-

      - Flexible security levels.  TLS can support privacy, integrity,
      authentication or some combination of all of these.  This allows
      clients and servers to dynamically, during a session, decide on
      the level of security required for a particular data transfer,
 
      - Formalised public key management.  By use of X.509 public
      certificates during the authentication phase, certificate
      management can be built into a central function.  Whilst this may
      not be desirable for all uses of secured file transfer, it offers
      advantages in certain structured environments such as access to
      corporate data sources.
 
      - Co-existence and interoperation with authentication mechanisms
      that are already in place for the HTTPS protocol.  This allows web
      browsers to incorporate secure file transfer using the same
      infrastructure that has been set up to allow secure web browsing.
 
   The TLS protocol is a development of the Netscape Communication
   Corporation's SSL protocol and this document can be used to allow the
   FTP protocol to be used with either SSL or TLS.  The actual protocol
   used will be decided by the negotiation of the protected session by
   the TLS/S

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	Title		: Framework for IP Provider Metrics
	Author(s)	: G. Almes, J. Mahdavi, V. Paxson, M. Mathis
	Filename	: draft-ietf-bmwg-ippm-framework-01.txt
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	Title		: Representation of Key Exchange 
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	Title		: Security issues for ION protocols
	Author(s)	: G. Armitage
	Filename	: draft-armitage-ion-security-00.txt
	Pages		: 14
	Date		: 01-Aug-97
	
   This document aims to assist people attempting to understand the
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	Title		: Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IPv6 and 
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	Author(s)	: A. Conta
	Filename	: draft-conta-ipv6-trans-tunnel-00.txt
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	Title		: Mapping Autonomous Systems Number into 
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	Author(s)	: D. Eastlake
	Filename	: draft-ietf-dnssec-as-map-05.txt
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	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
One requirement of secure routing is that independent routing
   entities, such as those identified by Internet Autonomous System
   Numbers, be able to authenticate messages to each other.  Additions
   have developed to the Domain Name System to enable it to be used for
   authenticated public key distribution [RFC 2065].  This draft maps
   all Autonomous System numbers into DNS Domain Names so that the DNS
   security can be used to distribute their public keys.

   [Changes from previous version are to accommodate AS numbers larger
   than 16 bits and to delegate on decimal boundaries rather than binary
   boundaries.]

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	Title		: IAB and IESG Selection, Confirmation, and 
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	Author(s)	: J. Galvin
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	Title		: vCard MIME Directory Profile
	Author(s)	: T. Howes, F. Dawson
	Filename	: draft-ietf-asid-mime-vcard-03.txt
	Pages		: 24
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
This memo defines the profile of the MIME Content-Type [MIME-DIR] for
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   of any particular directory service or protocol. The profile is
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	Title		: Rationale for the Structure of the Model and 
                          Protocol for the Internet Printing Protocol (IPP)
	Author(s)	: S. Zilles
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ipp-rat-01.txt
	Pages		: 7
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
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	Title		: Physical Topology Discovery Protocol and MIB
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        RFC 2181:

        Title:      Clarifications to the DNS Specification
        Author:     R. Elz, R. Bush
        Date:       July 1997
        Mailbox:    kre@munnari.OZ.AU, randy@psg.com
        Pages:      15
        Characters: 36989
        Updates:    1034, 1035, 1123

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This document considers some areas that have been identified as
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        BCP 16:
        RFC 2182:

        Title:      Selection and Operation of Secondary DNS Servers
        Author:     R. Elz, R. Bush, S. Bradner, M. Patton
        Date:       July 1997
        Mailbox:    kre@munnari.OZ.AU, randy@psg.com, 
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        URL:        ftp://ds.internic.net/rfc/rfc2182.txt


The Domain Name System requires that multiple servers exist for every
delegated domain (zone).  This document discusses the selection of
secondary servers for DNS zones. This document is a product of the DNS
IXFR, Notification, and Dynamic Update Working Group of the IETF.

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                                        - Ted
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[The perceptive among you will have noticed that I screwed up the year
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Once again, we will be holding a PGP Key signing party at the IETF
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Note that you don't have to have a laptop with you; if you don't have
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                                        - Ted
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	Title		: The Domain Search Option for DHCP
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   The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) [1] provides a
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	Title		: The OSPF Address Resolution Advertisement Option
	Author(s)	: R. Coltun, J. Heinanen
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	Date		: 04-Aug-97
	
This document defines an OSPF option which enables routers to distri-
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	Title		: An Approach to Service Allocation in the Internet
	Author(s)	: D. Clark, J. Wroclawski
	Filename	: draft-clark-diff-svc-alloc-00.txt
	Pages		: 32
	Date		: 04-Aug-97
	
      This note describes the Service Allocation Profile scheme for
      differential service allocation within the Internet. The scheme is
      based on a simple packet drop preference mechanism at interior
      nodes, and highly flexible service profiles at edges and inter-
      provider boundary points within the net. The service profiles
      capture a wide variety of user requirements and expectations, and
      allow different users to receive different levels of service from
      the network in a scalable and efficient manner.

      The note describes the basic form of the mechanism, discusses the
      range of services that users and providers can obtain by employing
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	Title		: A One-way Delay Metric for IPPM
	Author(s)	: G. Almes, S. Kalidindi
	Filename	: draft-ietf-bmwg-ippm-delay-02.txt
	Pages		: 12
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This memo defines a metric for one-way delay of packets across Inter-
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 +    A 'singleton' analytic metric, called  Type-P-One-way-Delay,  will
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	Title		: Performance Issues in VC-Merge Capable 
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	Author(s)	: A. Elwalid, I. Widjaja
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   VC merging allows many routes to be mapped to the same VC label,
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       Title     : Directory Schema Listing Requirements                   
       Author(s) : C. Apple
       Filename  : draft-apple-schema-rqmts-list-00.txt
       Pages     : 5
       Date      : 07/28/1997

This memo documents requirements for listing directory services schemas in 
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service implementors to facilitate schema discovery.                       

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       Title     : Application Protocol Design Principles                  
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       Filename  : draft-newman-protocol-design-01.txt
       Pages     : 10
       Date      : 07/29/1997

There are a number of design principles which come into play over and over 
again when designing application protocols.  Many of these are entrenched 
in IETF lore and spread by word of mouth.  Most have been learned the hard 
way many times.       

This is an attempt to codify some of these principles so they can be 
referenced rather than spread by word of mouth.  The author has not 
invented any of these ideas and while the exercise of finding the 
originator of the ideas would be interesting, it is not deemed 
necessary for this project.    

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protocol design.  However, the author's primary experience is 
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application protocols or elements.      

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and exceptions need tuning.  Suggestions welcome.]                                                                  

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	Title		: Portable Node Support Using Mobile IP Protocol
	Author(s)	: G. Malkin, P. Raison, N. Kossack
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	Pages		: 12
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	Title		: Definition of the inetOrgPerson Object Class
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A follow-up on Dave's note re power supplies and plugs for the people comin=
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to the IETF meeting who want to connect a laptop in their hotel room:

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	Title		: Increasing TCP's Initial Window
	Author(s)	: C. Partridge, S. Floyd, M. Allman
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	Pages		: 8
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
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	Title		: Multicast address allocation extensions options
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	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This document describes host configuration options that may be used
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	Title		: Internet Public Key Infrastructure   Part I:  X.509 Certificate and CRL Profile
	Author(s)	: D. Solo, R. Housley, W. Ford, T. Polk
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	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This is the fifth draft of the Internet Public Key Infrastructure
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	Title		: Multicast address allocation extensions 
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	Author(s)	: B. Patel, M. Shah
	Filename	: draft-ietf-dhc-mdhcp-01.txt
	Pages		: 16
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) provides a framework
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	Title		: HTTP X-Connfrom header
	Author(s)	: J. Mogul, P. Leach, L. Harada, H. Hendren
	Filename	: draft-harada-http-xconnfrom-00.txt
	Pages		: 5
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
HTTP/1.1 defines a Connection header, allowing 'the sender
        to specify options that are desired for that particular
        connection and MUST NOT be communicated by proxies over
        further connections.'  Because HTTP/1.0 proxies would
        normally forward the Connection header without obeying its
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	Title		: Directory Server Monitoring MIB
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	Filename	: draft-ietf-madman-dsa-mib-1-04.txt
	Pages		: 25
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
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	Title		: Logical IP Subnetworks over IEEE 802.14 Services
	Author(s)	: M. Laubach
	Filename	: draft-laubach-ip-over-802d14-00.txt
	Pages		: 13
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This memo defines an initial application of classical IP and ARP in
   an IEEE 802.14 Community Access Television (CATV) Residential Access
   Network environment.  IEEE 802.14 services provide two independent
   link layer service interfaces which are available to support IP
   residential access networking services: traditional Ethernet bridging
   (via IEEE 802.1D layer services) and residential ATM networking
   services.
 
   In this memo, the term Logical IP Subnetwork (LIS) is defined to
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	Title		: Routing Policy Specification Language (RPSL)
	Author(s)	: D. Karrenberg, D. M. Terpstra, C. Villamizar, 
                          C. Alaettinoglu, T. Bates
	Filename	: draft-ietf-rps-rpsl-03.txt,.ps
	Pages		: 50
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
This Internet Draft is the reference document for the Routing Policy 
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	Title		: Handling Internationalized Query 
                          Components in URLs
	Author(s)	: M. Duerst
	Filename	: draft-duerst-query-i18n-00.txt
	Pages		: 7
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
HTTP and HTML provide the facility to query the user and return the
results. This is usually done in the query component of an URL. This
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	Title		: Assignment of Status Codes for 
                          HTTP and HTTP-Derived Protocols
	Author(s)	: H. Schulzrinne
	Filename	: draft-schulzrinne-http-status-00.txt,.ps
	Pages		: 3
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A number of other protocols may make use of HTTP syntax
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	Title		: Public Key Cryptography for Cross-Realm 
                          Authentication in Kerberos
	Author(s)	: G. Tsudik, C. Neuman, B. Sommerfeld, 
                          B. Tung, M. Hur, T. Ryutov, A. Medvinsky
	Filename	: draft-ietf-cat-kerberos-pk-cross-02.txt
	Pages		: 4
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This document defines extensions to the Kerberos protocol
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	Title		: DHCP Server Verification by Client Via DNSSEC
	Author(s)	: O. Gudmundsson
	Filename	: draft-watson-dhc-serv-verify-00.txt
	Pages		: 6
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
The document defines a mechanism to allow a DHCP client to verify
   the authenticity of a DHCP server configuration offer using
   DNSSEC.   Currently DHCP clients have no way to assess which of
   DHCP OFFERS are from valid DHCP servers, and which are not.
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	Title		: Real Time Streaming Protocol (RTSP)
	Author(s)	: H. Schulzrinne, A. Rao, R. Lanphier
	Filename	: draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-03.txt,.ps
	Pages		: 71
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
The Real Time Streaming Protocol, or RTSP, is an application-level 
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	Title		: Securing DHCP
	Author(s)	: B. Patel
	Filename	: draft-ietf-dhc-securing-dhc-00.txt
	Pages		: 5
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
This proposal describes methods of securing DHCP based on IETF DHCP 
and IPSEC protocols. This protocol achieves security goals for DHCP 
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	Title		: Normalization of Internationalized Identifiers
	Author(s)	: M. Duerst
	Filename	: draft-duerst-i18n-norm-00.txt
	Pages		: 12
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
The Universal Character Set (UCS) makes it possible to extend the
repertoire of characters used in non-local identifiers beyond US-
ASCII. The UCS contains a large overall number of characters, many
codepoints for backwards compatibility, and various mechanisms to
cope with the features of the writing systems of the world.  All this
together can lead to ambiguities in representation.  Such ambiguities
are not a problem when representing running text.  Therefore existing
standards have only defined equivalences.  For the use in identi-
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not sufficient.  This document defines a normalization algorithm and
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	Title		: Internet Printing Protocol/1.0: Model and 
                          Semantics
	Author(s)	: P. Powell, T. Hasting, R. Herriot, S. Isaacson, 
                          R. deBry
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ipp-model-04.txt
	Pages		: 92
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
This document is one of a set of documents, which together describe all 
aspects of a new Internet Printing Protocol (IPP).  IPP is an application 
level protocol that can be used for distributed printing using Internet 
tools and technology.  The protocol is heavily influenced by the printing 
model introduced in the Document Printing Application (ISO/IEC 10175 DPA) 
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	Title		: Job Monitoring MIB - V0.83
	Author(s)	: T. Hasting, H. Lewis, S. Isaacson, R. Bergman
	Filename	: draft-ietf-printmib-job-monitor-04.txt
	Pages		: 98
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
This Internet-Draft specifies a set of 18 SNMP MIB objects for 
(1) monitoring the status and progress of print jobs (2) obtaining 
resource requirements before a job is processed, (3) monitoring resource 
consumption while a job is being processed and (4) collecting resource 
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	Title		: Conversion of MIMEDIR content into XML
	Author(s)	: A. Hopmann
	Filename	: draft-hopmann-mimedirxml-00.txt
	Pages		: 
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
This document specifies how to translate information which is
  represented in the MIMEDIR format into a representation of the
  identical information using the XML syntax. Using this specification,
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	Title		: Transmission of IPv6 Packets over Frame Relay
	Author(s)	: A. Conta, M. Mueller
	Filename	: draft-conta-ipv6-trans-fr-00.txt
	Pages		: 10
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
This memo describes the  transmission  of  IPv6  packets  over  
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Relay link local addresses, the IPv6 Frame  Relay  link  layer  
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	Title		: Terminology for IP Multicast Benchmarking
	Author(s)	: K. Dubray
	Filename	: draft-ietf-bmwg-mcast-02.txt
	Pages		: 9
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
The purpose of this draft is to add terminology specific to the 
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	Title		: An Extension to HTTP : Digest Access 
                          Authentication
	Author(s)	: J. Franks, A. Luotonen, P. Leach, J. Hostetler, 
                          P. Hallam-Baker
	Filename	: draft-ietf-http-digest-aa-rev-00.txt
	Pages		: 18
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
The protocol referred to as 'HTTP/1.0' includes the specification for
   a Basic Access Authentication scheme.  This scheme is not considered
   to be a secure method of user authentication, as the user name and
   password are passed over the network as clear text.  A specification
   for a different authentication scheme is needed to address this
   severe limitation.  This document provides specification for such a
   scheme, referred to as 'Digest Access Authentication'.  Like Basic,
   Digest access authentication verifies that both parties to a
   communication know a shared secret (a password); unlike Basic, this
   verification can be done without sending the password in the clear,
   which is Basic's biggest weakness. As with most other authentication
   protocols, the greatest sources of risks are usually found not in the
   core protocol itself but in policies and procedures surrounding its
   use. 

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	Title		: Returning Values from Forms:  multipart/form-data
	Author(s)	: L. Masinter
	Filename	: draft-masinter-form-data-01.txt
	Pages		: 
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
This specification defines an Internet Media Type,
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	Title		: Rationale for the Structure of the Model and Protocol for the Internet Printing Protocol (IPP)
	Author(s)	: S. Zilles
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ipp-rat-01.txt
	Pages		: 7
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This document is one of a set of documents which together describe all 
aspects of a new Internet Printing Protocol (IPP). IPP is an application 
level protocol that can be used for distributed printing on the Internet. 
There are multiple parts to IPP, but the primary architectural components 
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	Title		: A strategy for the transition from RIPE-181 
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	Filename	: draft-ietf-rps-transition-01.txt
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	Title		: An A/V Profile Extension for 
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	Date		: 1997-08-04
	
This document specifies an extension to RFC 1890 which allows for
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	Title		: IP Payload Compression Protocol Architecture
	Author(s)	: R. Monsour, A. Shacham
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ippcp-arch-00.txt
	Pages		: 14
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
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	Title		: Implementation of Virtual Private Network 
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	Author(s)	: N. Doraswamy
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ipsec-vpn-00.txt
	Pages		: 5
	Date		: 1997-03-14
	
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	Title		: Open Outsourcing Policy Service (OOPS) for RSVP
	Author(s)	: R. Guerin, S. Herzog, R. Rajan, D. Pendarakis
	Filename	: draft-ietf-rsvp-policy-oops-01.txt,.ps
	Pages		: 38
	Date		: 1997-08-05
	
This document describes a protocol for exchanging policy information
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	Title		: IP Tunnel MIB
	Author(s)	: D. Thaler
	Filename	: draft-thaler-tunnel-mib-00.txt
	Pages		: 10
	Date		: 1997-08-04
	
This memo defines an experimental portion of the Management Information
Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet
community.  In particular, it describes managed objects used for
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	Title		: Header Compression for IPv6
	Author(s)	: S. Pink, M. Degermark, B. Nordgren
	Filename	: draft-degermark-ipv6-hc-03.txt
	Pages		: 45
	Date		: 1997-08-04
	
This document describes how to compress IP headers per-hop over
   point-to-point links.  The methods can be applied to IPv6 base and
   extension headers, IPv4 headers, TCP and UDP headers, and
   encapsulated IPv6 and IPv4 headers.

   Headers of typical UDP or TCP packets can be compressed down to 4-7
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	Title		: Extensions for the Dynamic Host 
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	Author(s)	: C. Perkins
	Filename	: draft-ietf-dhc-v6exts-07.txt
	Pages		: 31
	Date		: 1997-08-04
	
The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol for IPv6 [4] (DHCPv6)
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   on a TCP/IP network.  Configuration parameters and other control
   information are carried in typed data items that are stored in the
   'extensions' field of the DHCPv6 message.  The data items themselves
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	Title		: Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification
	Author(s)	: B. Hinden, S. Deering
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	Title		: When TCP Starts Up With Four Packets Into Only Three Buffers
	Author(s)	: C. Partridge, T. Shepard
	Filename	: draft-shepard-tcp-4-packets-3-buff-00.txt
	Pages		: 5
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
Sally Floyd has proposed that TCPs start their initial slow start by
   sending as many as four packets (instead of the usual one packet) as
   a means of getting TCP up-to-speed faster.  (Slow starts instigated
   due to timeouts would still start with just one packet.)  Starting
   with more than one packet might reduce the start-up latency over
   long-fat pipes by two round-trip times.  This proposal is documented
   further in [1] and in [2] and we assume the reader is familiar with
   the details of this proposal.
 
   On the end2end-interest mailing list, concern was raised that in the
   (allegedly common) case where a slow modem is served by a router
   which only allocates three buffers per modem (one buffer being
    transmitted while two packets are waiting), that starting with four
   packets would not be good because the fourth packet is sure to be
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   four-packet start is no worse than what happens after two round trip
   times in normal slow start, hence no new problem is introduced by
   starting with as many as four packets.   If there is a problem with a
   four-packet start, then the problem already exists in a normal slow-
   start startup after two round trip times when the slow-start
   algorithm will release into the net four closely spaced packets.
 
   This memo is to document that in the case of a 9600 bps modem at the
   edges of a fast Internet where there are only 3 buffers before the
   modem (and the fourth packet of a four-packet start will surely be
   dropped), no significant degradation in performance is experienced
   with a four-packet start when compared with a normal slow start
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	Title		: Conversion of LDAP Schemas to and from SLP Templates
	Author(s)	: P. St. Pierre
	Filename	: draft-ietf-svrloc-template-conversion-00.txt
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LDAP and SLP are both useful mechanisms for locating service related
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   From: "Scholl, Reinhard" <reinhard.scholl@oen.siemens.de>
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    - In Germany, local calls are metered. There is no such thing as a flat 
   rate.

More followup for (mostly North Americans) who use AT&T, MCI, or Sprint:


For those people who have an AT&T credit card, a useful number to keep
in mind is AT&T's direct access number:

	0130 0010

This is a (German) toll-free number which will allow you to make phone
calls at a substantial discount than if you have to pay the hotel and
Duetch Telecom markup.  (AT&T claims a savings of 60% from Frankfort,
Germany to Boston, MA --- your mileage may vary.)


For MCI, the access number is 0130-0012; and for Sprint, the access
number is 0130-0013.

						- Ted
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"Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> writes:

>> For those people who have an AT&T credit card, a useful number to keep
>> in mind is AT&T's direct access number:
>> 
>> 	0130 0010
>> 
>> This is a (German) toll-free number which will allow you to make phone
>> calls at a substantial discount than if you have to pay the hotel and
>> Duetch Telecom markup.  (AT&T claims a savings of 60% from Frankfort,
>> Germany to Boston, MA --- your mileage may vary.)

60% savings over what?

I called AT&T to ask what the calling card rates are.  $2.50 calling
card surcharge + $1.86 first minute + $1.32 additional minute.
Discount plans except True Reach International don't apply.  Not
Cheap.

Has anybody used one of the callback services?  How well does it work?

		Marc
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Agenda for TCPSAT Working Group Meeting @ Munich IETF

     Chair:          Aaron Falk  <Aaron.Falk@trw.com>
     Doc Editor:     Eric Travis <e.j.travis@ieee.org>
     Meeting Date:   Monday, August 11
     Meeting Time:   1530 - 1730
     Meeting Room:   Congress C

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AGENDA:

   Agenda Item 1: Discussion on Applicable Environments
     (15 minutes)

   Agenda Item 2: Issues and Potential Mitigations
                  Related to TCP
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   Agenda Item 3: Infrastructure and Application
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Thanks Ted...
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   From: Marc Horowitz <marc@cygnus.com>
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   60% savings over what?

   I called AT&T to ask what the calling card rates are.  $2.50 calling
   card surcharge + $1.86 first minute + $1.32 additional minute.
   Discount plans except True Reach International don't apply.  Not
   Cheap.

   Has anybody used one of the callback services?  How well does it work?

60% savings over what it costs to dial a direct call from Germany to the
U.S. using Deutch Telecom, plus an "average" hotel markup.  See the
various North American long distance providers' web pages for the exact
details of what they're comparing.

It's no secret that a U.S -> Germany call is far cheaper than the
equivalent Germany -> U.S. call.  The direct access numbers make it
cheaper to call the U.S. from Germany, although not as cheaper as simply
originating the call from the U.S.  (So if you can arrange to have your
family members call you at predetermined times, that's the cheapest way
to go about things.)  This rate assymetry is likely to change once the
European PTT's are opened up to face real competition, but at that point
we're really far off-topic....

By the way, the direct dial numbers I sent out are *not* callback
services.  That's a completely different kettle of fish.

						- Ted

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>Since Europe uses GSM, my cell phone won't work in Europe.

Correct,

>Does anyone know if you can rent GSM900 cell phones?

Here a few pointers near the Sheraton that I found:

TUT GmbH - +49 89 470 2080 - Einsteinstr. 50, 
81675 Munich (a few minutes away per bus)

MTG Telekom Center - +49 89 996 33-0 Fax: +49 89 9287 0820
Denningerstr. 116, 81925 Munich, a few hundred metres away from
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or if you are renting a car at the airport then ask if they can also
supply you with a handy at an inclusive rate (Sixt is a good bet).

Hope this helps.

>Who would I contact to do so?  Any idea of cost?

No idea about the cost, there are various tariffs.
Dave


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>Here a few pointers near the Sheraton that I found:
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>TUT GmbH - +49 89 470 2080 - Einsteinstr. 50, 
>81675 Munich (a few minutes away per bus)

Damn, Randy just tells me they are out of phones so don't 
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>MTG Telekom Center - +49 89 996 33-0 Fax: +49 89 9287 0820
>Denningerstr. 116, 81925 Munich, a few hundred metres away from
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This number has changed, instead use +49 89 451-120

Also try S.E. GmbH, +49 89 59 77 88.

MobilTel, Poccistr. +49 89 746 1690

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WorldCell, here in the US rents GSM Phones for $75 for the first week
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+1 888 WORLD CELL
+1 888 967 5323

or

www.worldcell.com

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This draft is a work item of the IP Payload Compression Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: IP Payload Compression Protocol Architecture
	Author(s)	: R. Monsour, A. Shacham
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ippcp-arch-00.txt
	Pages		: 14
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
This memo describes an architecture for applying lossless compression
to Internet Protocol datagrams. It defines several of the key
architectural elements of a compression protocol and describes
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This draft is a work item of the Dynamic Host Configuration Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Security Architecture for DHCP
	Author(s)	: O. Gudmundsson
	Filename	: draft-ietf-dhc-security-arch-01.txt
	Pages		: 14
	Date		: 1997-08-04
	
This document addresses the general security requirements of 
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requirements, security requirements and efficiency requirements.                                  The proposed security model uses public key cryptography and a proposed trusted key distribution mechanism to authenticate clients and servers. The authentication protocol can also exchange keying material for more efficiently protecting successive communication between client and server.  The security model also addresses securing relay agents.

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	Title		: A Stream Cipher Encryption Algorithm 'Arcfour'
	Author(s)	: R. Thayer, K. Kaukonen
	Filename	: draft-kaukonen-cipher-arcfour-01.txt
	Pages		: 11
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
This document describes an algorithm here called Arcfour that
is believed to be fully interoperable with the RC4 algoritm.
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	Title		: Application Management MIB
	Author(s)	: J. Saperia, C. Krupczak, R. Presuhn, 
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	Filename	: draft-ietf-applmib-mib-04.txt
	Pages		: 61
	Date		: 1997-08-04
	
This memo defines an experimental portion of the Management 
Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols 
in the Internet Community.  In particular, it defines objects 
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the System Application MIB, providing for the management of 
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	Title		: The RWhois Version 1.x Uniform Resource Locator
	Author(s)	: S. Williamson, M. Mealling
	Filename	: draft-mealling-rwhoisurl-01.txt
	Pages		: 3
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
RWhois is an Internet directory access protocol, defined in RFC1714 [1] 
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	Title		: IPv6 Inverse Neighbor Discovery for IPv6 
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	Author(s)	: A. Conta
	Filename	: draft-conta-ipv6-inv-nd-tun-00.txt
	Pages		: 9
	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
This memo describes an extension mechanism to the IPv6 Neighbor  Discovery and IPv6 Inverse Neighbor Discovery [IND] that applies to IPv6
and IPv4 tunnels.  The mechanism can be used to advertise the parameters of a tunnel to its exit point node, and to create a reverse tunnel path between the exit point and entry point nodes of a  unidirectional  tunnel.   If  such a bidirectional tunnel already exists, the
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	Title		: Empirical Bulk Transfer Capacity
	Author(s)	: M. Mathis
	Filename	: draft-ietf-bmwg-ippm-treno-btc-01.txt
	Pages		: 5
	Date		: 1997-08-04
	
Bulk Transport Capacity (BTC) is a measure of a network's ability to 
transfer significant quantities of data with a single congestion-aware 
transport connection (e.g. state-of-the-art TCP).  For many applications 
the BTC of the underlying network dominates the the overall elapsed time 
for the application, and thus dominates the performance as perceived 
by a user.                                                                      The BTC is a property of an IP cloud (links, routers, switches, etc) between a pair of hosts.  It does not include the hosts themselves (or their transport-layer software).  However, congestion control is crucial to the BTC metric because the Internet depends on the end systems to fairly divide the available bandwidth on the basis of common congestion behavior. The BTC metric is based on the performance of a reference congestion control algorithm that has particularly uniform and stable behavior.

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	Title		: A revised encryption mode for ISAKMP/Oakley
	Author(s)	: H. Krawczyk, P. Cheng, R. Canetti
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ipsec-revised-enc-mode-01.txt
	Pages		: 6
	Date		: 1997-08-05
	
The ISAKMP/Oakley document [HC97] describes a proposed standard for
   using the Oakley Key Exchange Protocol in conjunction with ISAKMP to
   obtain authenticated and secret keying material for use with ISAKMP,
   and for other security associations such as AH and ESP for the IETF
   IPsec DOI.
 
   The public-key encryption method of carrying out Phase 1 of the key
   exchange in the ISAKMP/Oakley document provides significant security
   advantages over the other alternatives and should be the method of
   choice in many implementations. Unfortunately, as currently
   described in [HC97] the method requires two public key
   encryption and decryption operations from both the Initiator and
   the Responder. The present document describes a small modification
   to this method. The resulting scheme requires only one public key
   encryption and decryption operation from each party, while maintaining
   (and even improving on) the strong security properties of the
   ISAKMP/Oakley public-key encryption mode.
 
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   addendum to the authentication methods defined in [HC97].
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	Title		: Simple Mail Transfer Protocol
	Author(s)	: J. Klensin
	Filename	: draft-ietf-drums-smtpupd-06.txt
	Pages		: 61
	Date		: 1997-08-05
	
This document is a self-contained specification of the basic protocol
for the Internet electronic mail transport, consolidating and
updating

 * the original SMTP specification of RFC 821 [RFC-821],
 * Domain name system requirements and implications for mail
   transport from RFC 1035 [RFC-DNS] and RFC 974 [RFC974],
 * the clarifications and applicability statements in
     RFC 1123 [RFC-1123], and
 * material drawn from the SMTP Extension mechanisms [SMTPEXT].

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1123.  However, RFC 821 specifies some features that are not in
significant use in the Internet of the mid-1990s and (in appendices)
some additional transport models.  Those sections are omitted here in
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	Title		: Referral Whois Protocol (RWhois) 2.0
	Author(s)	: S. Williamson, M. Mealling, M. Kosters, 
                          J. Singh, G. Pierce, D. Blacka, 
                          K. Zeilstra, M. Lu, L. Meador
	Filename	: draft-ietf-asid-rwhois-00.txt
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	Date		: 1997-07-30
	
This memo describes Version 2.0 of the client/server interaction of 
RWhois. RWhois provides a distributed system for the display of 
hierarchical and non-hierarchical information. This system is 
primarily hierarchical by design, allowing for the deterministic 
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This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: RTP Payload Format for H.263 Video Streams
	Author(s)	: C. Zhu
	Filename	: draft-ietf-avt-rtp-payload-04.txt
	Pages		: 11
	Date		: 1997-08-05
	
This document specifies the payload format for encapsulating an H.263
bitstream in the Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP). Three modes are
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three modes for H.263 video streams depending on the desired
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	Title		: Internet Calendaring and Scheduling Core 
                          Object Specification (iCalendar)
	Author(s)	: F. Dawson, D. Stenerson
	Filename	: draft-ietf-calsch-ical-02.txt
	Pages		: 73
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
There is a clear need to provide and deploy interoperable calendaring
   and scheduling services for the Internet. Current group scheduling
   and Personal Information Management (PIM) products are being extended
   for use across the Internet, today, in proprietary ways. This
   document has been defined to provide the a definition of a common
   format for openly exchanging calendaring and scheduling information
   across the Internet.
 
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   The proposed media type value is 'TEXT/CALENDAR'. This string would
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   for interactions between desktop applications using the operating
   system clipboard, drag/drop or file systems capabilities.

   This document is based on the earlier work of the vCalendar
   specification for the exchange of personal calendaring and scheduling
   information. In order to avoid confusion with this referenced work,
   this document is to be known as the iCalendar specification. This
   document is based on the calendaring and scheduling model defined in
   [ICMS]. The document is also the basis for the calendaring and
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This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: A Framework for Multiprotocol Label Switching
	Author(s)	: R. Callon, G. Swallow, N. Feldman, A. Viswanathan, 
                          P. Doolan, A. Fredette
	Filename	: draft-ietf-mpls-framework-01.txt
	Pages		: 52
	Date		: 1997-08-02
	
This document discusses technical issues and requirements for the
   Multiprotocol Label Switching working group. This is an initial draft
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   this document to produce a coherent description of all significant
   approaches which were and are being considered by the working group.
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June 1997


INTERNET MONTHLY REPORTS
------------------------

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Group the accomplishments, milestones reached, or problems discovered by
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TABLE OF CONTENTS

  INTERNET ARCHITECTURE BOARD

     IAB MESSAGE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page  3
     INTERNET ENGINEERING REPORTS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page  3

  Internet Projects

     INTERNIC. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 16
       Registration Services . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 16
       Directory Services. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 17
       US Domain Registry. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 18
     MERIT INTERNET ENGINEERING. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 21
     INET97 TRIP REPORT. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 20
     IANA REPORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 20
     RFC EDITOR REPORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 20

  CALENDAR OF EVENTS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 24
    TERENA List of Meetings. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 29
    SOFTBANK Forums Future Events Calendar . . . . . . . . . . page 27






























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INTERNET ARCHITECTURE BOARD

     The minutes of the IAB back to 1990 are available for anonymous ftp
     access on host ftp.isi.edu, directory /pub/IAB, or via the IAB
     World-Wide Web page with URL http://www.iab.org/iab/.

     Brian Carpenter IAB Chair

INTERNET ENGINEERING REPORTS
----------------------------


                 Internet Monthly Report for June, 1997


  1. Let me remind everyone that the IETF returns to Europe for the
     summer meeting in Munich, Germany from August 11-15, 1997. Our
     hosts for this meeting will be Digi/ISOC.DE. The final meeting of
     the year will be held in Washington, DC from December 8-12, 1997.
     Our local host is Newbridge Networks.

     The IETF will meet in Los Angeles from March 30 - April, 3, 1998
     and then in Chicago August 24-28, but the Secretariat is still
     working out some details, albeit the final stage.

     Once all arrangements have been made, notifications will be sent
     to the IETF Announcement list. Remember that information on
     future meetng sites can always be found in the file
     0mtg-sites.txt, located on the IETF shadow directories. Of
     course, this information is provided on the Web. The IETF's URL
     is:

                          http://www.ietf.org/

  2. The minutes of the IESG teleconferences be found on all the IETF
     shadow directories in the iesg directory.

     The following IESG minutes have been added:

       May 22, 1997 (iesg.97-05-22)

  3. The IESG approved or recommended the following five Protocol
     Actions during the month of June, 1997:

     o Core Based Trees (CBT version 2) Multicast Routing Protocol
       Specification for publication as an Experimental Protocol.




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     o Core Based Trees (CBT) Multicast Routing Architecture for
       publication as an Experimental Protocol.

     o IMAP4 IDLE command for publication as a Proposed Standard.

     o RTP Payload Format for H.263 Video Streams for publication as a
       Proposed Standard.

     o Internet Cache Protocol (ICP), version 2 for publication as an
       Informational RFC.


  4. Nine Last Calls were issued by the IESG during the month of June,
     1997:

     o IMAP4 Namespace <draft-gahrns-imap-namespace-01> for
       consideration as a Proposed Standard.

     o IMAP4 Mailbox Referrals <draft-gahrns-imap-mailbox-referral-00>
       for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

     o RPCSEC_GSS Protocol Specification
       <draft-ietf-oncrpc-rpcsec_gss-05> for consideration as a
       Proposed Standard.

     o Use of an X.500/LDAP directory to support MIXER address mapping
       <draft-ietf-mixer-directory-01> for consideration as a Proposed
       Standard.

     o Administratively Scoped IP Multicast
       <draft-ietf-mboned-admin-ip-space-03> for consideration as a
       Best Current Practices RFC.

     o Routing Policy Specification Language (RPSL)
       <draft-ietf-rps-rpsl-02> for consideration as a Proposed
       Standard.

     o Using the Internet DNS to Distribute MIXER Conformant Global
       Address Mapping (MCGAM) <draft-ietf-mixer-rfc1664bis-00> for
       consideration as a Proposed Standard.

     o IMAP4 Login Referrals <draft-gahrns-imap-login-referrals-00>
       for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

     o Authentication Mechanisms for ONC RPC
       <draft-ietf-oncrpc-auth-03> for consideration as an
       Informational RFC.




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  5. Two new working groups were created during the month:

       Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (vrrp)
       Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (manet)

  6. There were 131 Internet-Draft actions during the month of June,
     1997:

     (rsvp)     o Resource ReSerVation Protocol (RSVP) -- Version 1
                  Functional Specification
                  <draft-ietf-rsvp-spec-16.txt, .ps>
     (dnssec)   o Mapping Autonomous Systems Number into the Domain
                  Name System <draft-ietf-dnssec-as-map-04.txt>
     (idr)      o A Border Gateway Protocol 4 (BGP-4)
                  <draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-06.txt>
     (none)     o Mobility Support in IPv6
                  <draft-teraoka-ipv6-mobility-sup-04.txt>
     (ion)      o IP Broadcast over ATM Networks
                  <draft-ietf-ion-bcast-03.txt>
     (receipt)  o An Extensible Message Format for Message
                  Disposition Notifications
                  <draft-ietf-receipt-mdn-04.txt>
     (trunkmib) o Definitions of Managed Objects for the DS1, E1, DS2
                  and E2 Interface Types
                  <draft-ietf-trunkmib-ds1-mib-06.txt>
     (trunkmib) o Definitions of Managed Objects for the DS3/E3
                  Interface Type <draft-ietf-trunkmib-ds3-mib-05.txt>
     (ids)      o A Common Schema for the Internet White Pages
                  Service <draft-ietf-ids-iwps-schema-spec-06.txt>
     (intserv)  o Integrated Services Management Information Base
                  <draft-ietf-intserv-mib-07.txt>
     (rsvp)     o RSVP Management Information Base
                  <draft-ietf-rsvp-mib-08.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o Generic Packet Tunneling in IPv6 Specification
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-ipv6-tunnel-07.txt>
     (atommib)  o Definitions of Tests for ATM Management
                  <draft-ietf-atommib-test-03.txt>
     (trunkmib) o Definitions of Managed Objects for the DS0 and DS0
                  Bundle Interface Type
                  <draft-ietf-trunkmib-ds0-mib-04.txt>
     (atommib)  o Managed Objects for Controlling the Collection and
                  Storage of Accounting Information for
                  Connection-Oriented Networks
                  <draft-ietf-atommib-acct-04.txt>
     (asid)     o Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (v3)
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-protocol-05.txt>





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     (asid)     o Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (v3):
                  Attribute Syntax Definitions
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-attributes-05.txt>
     (avt)      o RTP usage with Layered Multimedia Streams
                  <draft-speer-avt-layered-video-02.txt>
     (none)     o A Clarification of the STATUS Clause in SNMP MIB
                  Modules <draft-rfced-info-perkins-02.txt>
     (ifmib)    o Definitions of Managed Objects for System and
                  Interface Testing <draft-ietf-ifmib-testmib-03.txt>
     (svrloc)   o Finding Stuff (How to discover services)
                  <draft-ietf-svrloc-discovery-02.txt>
     (none)     o The Domestication of the Opaque Type for SNMP
                  <draft-perkins-opaque-01.txt>
     (acap)     o ACAP -- Application Configuration Access Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-acap-spec-04.txt>
     (avt)      + RTP Payload for Redundant Audio Data
                  <draft-ietf-avt-rtp-redundancy-00.txt, .ps>
     (ipngwg)   o IPv6 Router Alert Option
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-ipv6router-alert-02.txt>
     (roamops)  o Dialup Roaming Requirements
                  <draft-ietf-roamops-roamreq-04.txt>
     (pkix)     o Internet Public Key Infrastructure Part III:
                  Certificate Management Protocols
                  <draft-ietf-pkix-ipki3cmp-02.txt>
     (agentx)   o Agent Extensibility (AgentX) Protocol Version 1
                  <draft-ietf-agentx-ext-pro-04.txt>
     (none)     o VENUS - Very Extensive Non-Unicast Service
                  <draft-armitage-ion-venus-03.txt>
     (oncrpc)   o RPCSEC_GSS Protocol Specification
                  <draft-ietf-oncrpc-rpcsec_gss-05.txt>
     (atommib)  o Accounting Information for ATM Networks
                  <draft-ietf-atommib-atmacct-01.txt>
     (roamops)  o Review of Roaming Implementations
                  <draft-ietf-roamops-imprev-04.txt>
     (pppext)   o Layer Two Tunneling Protocol "L2TP"
                  <draft-ietf-pppext-l2tp-04.txt>
     (none)     o MIME Parameter Value and Encoded Word Extensions:
                  Character Sets, Languages, and Continuations
                  <draft-freed-pvcsc-03.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o IPv6 Multicast Address Assignments
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-multicast-assgn-03.txt>
     (none)     o Advanced Sockets API for IPv6
                  <draft-stevens-advanced-api-03.txt>
     (mboned)   o Administratively Scoped IP Multicast
                  <draft-ietf-mboned-admin-ip-space-03.txt>
     (none)     o The Multicast Dissemination Protocol (MDP)
                  Framework <draft-macker-mdp-framework-02.txt>




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     (roamops)  o The Network Access Identifier
                  <draft-ietf-roamops-nai-05.txt>
     (asid)     o Use of Language Codes in LDAPv3
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-lang-02.txt>
     (ftpext)   o Extended Directory Listing and Restart Mechanism
                  for FTP <draft-ietf-ftpext-mlst-01.txt>
     (none)     o Label Switching: Label Stack Encodings
                  <draft-rosen-tag-stack-02.txt>
     (ftpext)   o Internationalization of the File Transfer Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-ftpext-intl-ftp-02.txt>
     (svrloc)   o Service Templates and service: Schemes
                  <draft-ietf-svrloc-service-scheme-01.txt>
     (webdav)   + HTTP-based Distributed Content Editing Scenarios
                  <draft-ietf-webdav-scenarios-00.txt>
     (none)     o The Weak Authentication and Tracing Option
                  <draft-eastlake-weak-ato-01.txt>
     (urn)      o Guidelines and a Framework for URN Resolution
                  Systems <draft-ietf-urn-req-frame-02.txt>
     (none)     o Representing the Dublin Core within X.500, LDAP and
                  CLDAP <draft-hamilton-dcxl-01.txt>
     (ion)      o Definitions of Managed Objects for Multicast over
                  UNI 3.0/3.1 based ATM Networks
                  <draft-ietf-ion-mars-mib-01.txt>
     (atommib)  + Managed Objects for Recording ATM Performance
                  History Data Based on 15 Minute Intervals
                  <draft-ietf-atommib-atmhist-00.txt>
     (vrrp)     + Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-vrrp-spec-00.txt>
     (applmib)  o Definitions of Managed Objects for WWW Services
                  <draft-ietf-applmib-wwwmib-03.txt>
     (asid)     o The LDAP Data Interchange Format (LDIF) - Technical
                  Specification <draft-ietf-asid-ldif-01.txt>
     (drums)    o Message Format Standard
                  <draft-ietf-drums-msg-fmt-02.txt>
     (dhc)      o DHCP Relay Agent Information Option
                  <draft-ietf-dhc-agent-options-01.txt>
     (issll)    o Integrated Services over IEEE 802.1D/802.1p
                  Networks <draft-ietf-issll-802-01.txt>
     (none)     o Telnet Comport Control Option
                  <draft-clark-telnet-control-03.txt>
     (none)     o Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4
                  <draft-bates-bgp4-multiprotocol-02.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o Management Information Base for IP Version 6:
                  Textual Conventions and General Group
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-ipv6-mib-02.txt>
     (svrloc)   o Advertising Services (Providing information to
                  support service discovery)
                  <draft-ietf-svrloc-advertising-02.txt>



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     (rsvp)     o RSVP Extensions for CIDR Aggregated Data Flows
                  <draft-ietf-rsvp-cidr-ext-01.txt>
     (mboned)   o Some Issues for an Inter-domain Multicast Routing
                  Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-mboned-imrp-some-issues-02.txt>
     (webdav)   + Requirements for Distributed Authoring and
                  Versioning on the World Wide Web
                  <draft-ietf-webdav-requirements-00.txt>
     (none)     o Definitions of Managed Objects for IEEE 802.1q
                  Virtual LAN Bridges
                  <draft-jeya-vlan-8021q-mib-01.txt>
     (http)     o HTTP State Management Mechanism (Rev1)
                  <draft-ietf-http-state-man-mec-02.txt, .ps>
     (none)     o SMTP Service Extension for Secure SMTP over TLS
                  <draft-hoffman-smtp-ssl-03.txt>
     (none)     o Simple Integrated Media Access (SIMA)
                  <draft-kalevi-simple-media-access-01.txt>
     (ospf)     o The OSPF NSSA Option
                  <draft-ietf-ospf-nssa-update-02.txt>
     (asid)     o The LDAP URL Format
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-url-03.txt>
     (ngtrans)  o A proposal for an IPv6 site database object
                  <draft-ietf-ngtrans-6bone-registry-01.txt>
     (roamops)  o Guidelines for the Secure Operation of RADIUS
                  Proxies in Roaming <draft-ietf-roamops-auth-01.txt>
     (ipp)      o Internet Printing Protocol/1.0: Model and Semantics
                  <draft-ietf-ipp-model-02.txt>
     (ipp)      o Internet Printing Protocol/1.0: Directory Schema
                  <draft-ietf-ipp-dir-schema-01.txt>
     (none)     o Directory Entries From Email Address
                  <draft-greenblatt-defema-01.txt>
     (urn)      o URI Resolution Services Necessary for URN
                  Resolution
                  <draft-ietf-urn-resolution-services-01.txt>
     (asid)     o An Approach for Using LDAP as a Network Information
                  Service <draft-ietf-asid-nis-schema-01.txt>
     (none)     o Network Security For Trade Shows
                  <draft-rfced-info-gwinn-01.txt>
     (none)     o IPSEC Policy Import/Export Format
                  <draft-thayer-sec-exp-01.txt>
     (none)     o Sieve: A Mail Filtering Language
                  <draft-showalter-sieve-01.txt>
     (disman)   o Expression MIB
                  <draft-ietf-disman-express-mib-02.txt>
     (snmpv3)   o An Architecture for Describing Internet Management
                  Frameworks <draft-ietf-snmpv3-next-gen-arch-02.txt>
     (printmib) o Job Monitoring MIB - V0.82
                  <draft-ietf-printmib-job-monitor-01.txt>



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     (avt)      o RTP Payload Format for MPEG1/MPEG2 Video
                  <draft-ietf-avt-mpeg-new-01.txt>
     (none)     o IMAP4 Namespace
                  <draft-gahrns-imap-namespace-01.txt>
     (none)     o A Protocol for the Transmission of Net News
                  Articles over IP multicast.
                  <draft-rfced-exp-rupp-02.txt>
     (none)     o PKCS 1: RSA Encryption Version 1.5
                  <draft-hoffman-pkcs-rsa-encrypt-01.txt>
     (none)     o PKCS 7: Cryptographic Message Syntax Version 1.5
                  <draft-hoffman-pkcs-crypt-msg-01.txt>
     (none)     o PKCS 10: Certification Request Syntax Version 1.5
                  <draft-hoffman-pkcs-certif-req-01.txt>
     (snmpv3)   o Message Processing and Control Model for version 3
                  of the Simple Network Management Protocol (snmpv3)
                  <draft-ietf-snmpv3-v3mpc-model-01.txt>
     (snmpv3)   o User-based Security Model for version 3 of the
                  Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMPv3)
                  <draft-ietf-snmpv3-usec-01.txt>
     (urn)      o A URN Namespace for IETF Documents
                  <draft-ietf-urn-ietf-01.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o An IPv6 Aggregatable Global Unicast Address Format
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-unicast-aggr-01.txt>
     (none)     o IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v2-01.txt>
     (dnssec)   + Storage of Diffie-Hellman Keys in the Domain Name
                  System <draft-ietf-dnssec-dhk-00.txt>
     (none)     + Media-independent Error Correction using RTP
                  <draft-budge-media-error-correction-00.txt>
     (acap)     o Multi-Lingual String Format (MLSF)
                  <draft-ietf-acap-mlsf-01.txt>
     (tn3270e)  o Base Definitions of Managed Objects for TN3270E
                  Using SMIv2 <draft-ietf-tn3270e-tn3270-mib-01.txt>
     (asid)     o Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (v3):
                  Extension for Transport Layer Security
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-tls-01.txt>
     (none)     o Plaintext Password SASL Mechanism and Transition
                  Codes <draft-newman-sasl-plaintrans-02.txt>
     (webdav)   + HTTP-based Distributed Content Editing Scenarios
                  <draft-ietf-wrongv-scenarios-00.txt>
     (none)     o The IP Network Address Translator (NAT)
                  <draft-rfced-info-srisuresh-01.txt>
     (none)     + Interoperation Between Distinct Types of Label
                  Switched Paths
                  <draft-katsube-interop-between-lsps-00.txt>
     (none)     + Hot Standby Router Protocol (HSRP)
                  <draft-li-hsrp-00.txt>




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     (ipngwg)   + IP Version 6 Management Information Base for the
                  Transmission Control Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-ipv6-tcp-mib-00.txt>
     (none)     + Uniform Resource Locators for Television Broadcasts
                  <draft-zigmond-tv-url-00.txt>
     (ipngwg)   + IP Version 6 Management Information Base for the
                  User Datagram Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-ipv6-udp-mib-00.txt>
     (find)     + CIP Transport Protocols
                  <draft-ietf-find-cip-trans-00.txt>
     (ftpext)   + Feature negotiation mechanism for the File Transfer
                  Protocol <draft-ietf-ftpext-feat-00.txt>
     (find)     + MIME Object Definitions for the Common Indexing
                  Protocol (CIP) <draft-ietf-find-cip-mime-00.txt>
     (find)     + The Architecture of the Common Indexing Protocol
                  (CIP) <draft-ietf-find-cip-arch-00.txt>
     (none)     + A Clarification for Textual Conventions in SMIv2
                  <draft-perkins-clartc-00.txt>
     (none)     + Support for Floating-Point in SNMP
                  <draft-perkins-float-00.txt>
     (none)     + Support for Large Integers in SNMP
                  <draft-perkins-bigint-00.txt>
     (none)     + The BITS Pseudotype <draft-perkins-bits-00.txt>
     (none)     + Firewall Traversal authorization system
                  <draft-richardson-ipsec-traversal-00.txt>
     (http)     + Scenarios for the Delivery of Negotiated Content
                  using HTTP
                  <draft-ietf-http-negotiate-scenario-00.txt>
     (http)     + HTTP/1.1 305 and 306 Response Codes
                  <draft-cohen-http-305-306-responses-00.txt>
     (none)     + Description of the EP2 Cipher
                  <draft-rfced-info-gutmann-00.txt>
     (none)     + Virtual Server Protocol
                  <draft-jeya-virtual-server-00.txt>
     (rsvp)     + RAPI -- An RSVP Application Programming Interface
                  <draft-ietf-rsvp-rapi-00.txt, .ps>
     (ipngwg)   + Transmission of IPv6 Packets over Token Ring
                  Networks <draft-ietf-ipngwg-trans-tokenring-00.txt>
     (snmpv3)   + Access Control Model for version 3 of the Simple
                  Network Management Protocol (SNMPv3)
                  <draft-ietf-snmpv3-acm-00.txt>
     (none)     + Anonymous SASL Mechanism
                  <draft-newman-sasl-anon-00.txt>
     (none)     + Application Protocol Design Principles
                  <draft-newman-protocol-design-00.txt>
     (acap)     + Two Alternative Proposals for Language Taging in
                  ACAP <draft-ietf-acap-langtag-00.txt>




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     (none)     + Internet Security Label (ISL)
                  <draft-tbnadn-sec-label-00.txt>
     (none)     + A Description of the RC2(r) Encryption Algorithm
                  <draft-rivest-rc2desc-00.txt>
     (none)     + PACE(TM) Technology's Ethernet Interactive Access
                  Algorithm <draft-rfced-info-hickey-00.txt>
     (none)     + IETF Policy on Character Sets and Languages
                  <draft-alvestrand-charset-policy-00.txt>
     (ipp)      + Internet Printing Protocol/1.0: Security
                  <draft-ietf-ipp-security-00.txt>
     (none)     + Telnet Authentication: SRP
                  <draft-wu-telnet-option-00.txt>


  7. 18 RFCs were published during this period

     RFC2117 E  (idmr)    Protocol Independent Multicast-Sparse Mode
                          (PIM-SM): Protocol Specification
     RFC2151 I  (none)    A Primer On Internet and TCP/IP Tools and
                          Utilities
     RFC2152 I  (none)    A Mail-Safe Transformation Format of
                          Unicode
     RFC2153 I  (pppext)  PPP Vendor Extensions
     RFC2154 E  (none)    OSPF with Digital Signatures
     RFC2155 PS (snanau)  Definitions of Managed Objects for APPN
                          using SMIv2
     RFC2165 PS (svrloc)  Service Location Protocol
     RFC2166 I  (none)    APPN Implementer's Workshop Closed Pages
                          Document DLSw v2.0 Enhancements
     RFC2167 I  (none)    Referral Whois (RWhois) Protocol V1.5
     RFC2168 E  (urn)     Resolution of Uniform Resource Identifiers
                          using the Domain Name System
     RFC2169 E  (urn)     A Trivial Convention for using HTTP in URN
                          Resolution
     RFC2171 I  (none)    MAPOS - Multiple Access Protocol over
                          SONET/SDH Version 1
     RFC2172 I  (none)    MAPOS Version 1 Assigned Numbers
     RFC2173 I  (none)    A MAPOS version 1 Extension - Node Switch
                          Protocol
     RFC2174 I  (none)    A MAPOS version 1 Extension - Switch-Switch
                          Protocol
     RFC2175 I  (none)    MAPOS 16 - Multiple Access Protocol over
                          SONET/SDH with 16 Bit Addressing
     RFC2176 I  (none)    IPv4 over MAPOS Version 1
     RFC2200 S (none)     INTERNET OFFICIAL PROTOCOL STANDARDS






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INTERNET PROJECTS
-----------------


INTERNIC
--------

     REGISTRATION SERVICES

     June InterNIC Stats

     Monthly Registrations: 112,661

     Gopher Sessions: 37,164         Retrievals: 5616
     WAIS Sessions: 18312            Retrievals: 5920
     FTP Sessions: 66,074            Retrievals: 112,711
     Telnet Sessions: 39,455
     HTTP: 6,256,351
     Whois Client Queries: 3,007,156
     Whois Server Queries: 13,186,747

     Updates: 219,772

     Rich Landers <richl@internic.net>


     INTERNIC DIRECTORY AND DATABASE SERVICES

     The June Seed Database for Netfind has 1.62 million entries.  For
     full searching of this database, you should be using version 5.0.2
     of the Netfind source code.  Both the seed database and the Netfind
     source code are available at:

               http://www.internic.net/wp/netfind-seeddb.html

     Work is proceeding on a new version of Netfind, version 5.1.  We
     expect an alpha version to be available in July.  Netfind 5.1 will
     have the following features:

       - More complex Boolean queries
       - Use of DNS SRV records to help find directory resources
       - Direct LDAP interface
       - Cleaned up architecture that better distributes functions among
         modules







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     A reminder - if you would like to help the Internet community find
     a resource that you offer, send mail to admin@ds.internic.net and
     we will send information about listing your resource in the
     Directory of Directories.  If you prefer, you can enter information
     about your resource in our WWW suggestion form.  The form can be
     reached through our Directory of Directories Web page at:

                http://ds.internic.net:80/ds/dsdirofdirs.html

     by Rick Huber <rvh@ds.internic.net>


     THE US DOMAIN REGISTRY

     A new policy has been added regarding the locality delegation.  As
     of 1-Jul-97, it is assumed by the US Domain Administrator that
     every applicant for the delegation (or redelegation) of a locality
     name has the written agreement of the legitimate government for
     that locality for the applicant to manage the domain name of that
     locality.

     Evidience of such an agreement does not need to be presented at the
     time of delegation (except that the administrative contact on the
     application template must be the government representative).
     However, if the delegation is later challenged or contested, the
     manager of the locality domain must produce the agreement.  Failure
     to do so will most likely result in the transfer of the management
     of the locality domain to another manager that does have such an
     agreement.

     If there is a dispute as to what is the legitimate government for a
     locality is and who may act for it, the league of cities or
     association of municipalities that each state (as recognized by the
     National League of Cities) may be asked to assist in resolving such
     disputes.

     In some places there are overlapping jurisdictions with the same
     name (for example, the city of Los Angeles and the county of Los
     Angeles).  In such cases, the higher level government should have
     priority.

     The US Domain registration form is now available online at
     http://www.isi.edu/us-domain.

     The US Domain has the maps of all the delegated special domains
     online at http://www.isi.edu/us-domain.





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     The US Domain administrator no longer makes direct registrations of
     hosts, and only makes delegations of third or fourth level domain
     names (such as localities).

     Some of the processing of the requests to the third level domain
     name is now automated. In particular, most requests to register
     names in localities already delegated are automatically forwarded
     to the administrator of that locality.

     A new policy has been added regarding the charges for the domain
     name passed on during delegation.  The administrator of the
     locality has to notify one year in advance before charging for
     those domains.

     US DOMAIN ADMINISTRATIVE INFORMATION
     ====================================


             EMAIL/FAX            3139
             PHONE                 525
             ----------------------------
             Total Contacts       3664


             DELEGATIONS            70
             FORWARDED REQUESTS:  1211
             OTHER US DOMAIN MSGS:2383
             ---------------------------
             Total                3664

     OTHER US DOMAIN MESSAGES include referrals to other subdomains or
     to/from the InterNic, phone calls, modifications, application
     requests, discussion and clarification of the requests, questions
     about names, resolving technical problems with zone files and name
     servers, and whois listings.


     MAJOR SUBDOMAINS DELEGATED
     ==========================


     K12     CC      TEC     STATE   LIB     MUS     GEN     DST     COG
     ===================================================================
     52      39      36      47      41      26      27      10      6
     ===================================================================






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     THIRD LEVEL DELEGATIONS
     ========================

     CC.TN.US.             Community Colleges, Tennessee.
     TEC.TN.US.            Technical and Vocational Schools, Tennessee.

     LOCALITIES
     ==========

     ST-BERNARD.LA.US.               WILLISTOWN.PA.US.
     ROSS.PA.US.                     SAINT-LOUIS.MO.US.
     OSWEGO.OR.US.                   WOODSIDE.CA.US.
     MADISON.NH.US.                  LA-PINE.OR.US.
     WARM-SPRINGS.OR.US.             CAROLINE.VA.US.
     MAYVILLE.WI.US.                 CHICHESTER.NH.US.
     EATON.NH.US.                    EFFINGHAM.NH.US.
     FREEDOM.NH.US.                  GOSHEN.NH.US.
     GRANTHAM.NH.US.                 MADBURY.NH.US.
     MILAN.NH.US.                    NELSON.NH.US.
     NEWBURY.NH.US.                  PERKINS.OK.US.
     KINGSHILL.VI.US.                DEWITT.MI.US.
     EATON-RAPIDS.MI.US.             GRAND-LEDGE.MI.US.
     CHARLOTTE.MI.US.                MASON.MI.US.
     HOLD.MI.US.                     WILLIAMSTON.MI.US.
     HASLETT.MI.US.                  PROTLAND.MI.US.
     MULLAN.ID.US.                   KELLOGG.ID.US.
     HALF-MOON-BAY.CA.US.            SAINT-MICHAELS.MD.US.
     MILAN.IL.US.                    FLEISCHMANNS.NY.US.
     VININGS.GA.US.                  MONTICELLO.KY.US.
     MORLEY.NY.US.                   JOPLIN.MT.US.
     HEALY.AK.US.                    TOK.AK.US.
     SPRINGDALE.OH.US.

     We delegated 1 Native Soverign Nations -  COWCREEK.NSN.US.

















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     OTHER US DOMAIN DELEGATIONS THIS MONTH
     ======================================

     CI.GLENDORA.CA.US.              GARDNER.PERRY.MI.US.
     PORTSMOUTH.LIB.NH.US.           STONERIDGE.TARZANA.CA.US.
     ELEPHANT.ALEXANDER.NC.US.       PREUNINGER.HUGHES-SPRINGS.TX.US.
     HAAS.KENSINGTON.CA.US.          CI.WOODLAKE.CA.US.
     GLENDORA.LIB.CA.US.             CI.SHASTA-LAKE.CA.US.
     WEBMASTER.RESEDA.CA.US.         NGAUS.GEN.NM.US.
     WCV77.NEWPORT.NY.US.            CI.ELBRIDGE.NY.US.
     LAWD.DST.CA.US.                 CI.RANCHO-MIRAGE.CA.US.
     FUTURE.GOESSEL.KS.US.           CO.ALEXANDER.NC.US.
     SMPL.LIB.CA.US.                 CI.COLFAX.WA.US.
     SHENANDOAHCO.LIB.VA.US.         WWW.ROCKINGHAM.LIB.VA.US.

     -----------------------------------------------------------

     URL: http://www.isi.edu/us-domain/

     Shanthi Ranganathan (US-Domain@ISI.EDU)

     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

MERIT INTERNET ENGINEERING
--------------------------

     This report summarizes June 1997 activities of Merit's Internet
     Engineering group on behalf of the Routing Arbiter (RA) service and
     other projects.

     Merit is pleased to announce a new initiative, the Policy Analysis
     of Internet Routing (PAIR) project. A collaboration among staff
     from the Routing Arbiter Database and Route Server Next Generation
     (RSng) projects, PAIR is developing tools that will help ISPs,
     network operators, and end users troubleshoot routing and policy
     problems in the Internet.  The tools were developed in response to
     requests from organizations peering with the RSng Route Servers,
     and greatly improve the peers' ability to track internal routing
     processes in the Route Server systems.

     Using PAIR, you can answer questions such as:

       -  Why isn't Provider A seeing any of my routes?
       -  What routes am I exporting to Provider B?
       -  According to the policy that Provider C registered in the IRR,
          what routes should it be exporting to my AS?





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     PAIR makes it possible to compare prescribed policy, i.e., policy
     registered in the Internet Routing Registry, with policy actually
     being configured in the Internet.  You can use the PAIR tools to:

       -  Learn how the policy in IRR AS Objects is processed and used
          to generate Route Server configuration files
       -  Gain an understanding of internal Route Server processes, such
          as policy configurations and state tables
       -  Pinpoint discrepancies between registered policy and actual
          routing announcements
       -  Troubleshoot global routing problems
       -  Identify stale or inaccurate data in the Internet Routing
          Registry

     Members of Merit's PAIR team are Jake Khuon, Jerry Winters, Abha
     Ahuja, and Tom Spindler.  For more information about the project,
     see:

       http://www.rsng.net/pair/
     ------------------------------------------------------------

     With the final release of Scion, the popular network monitoring
     package, work is now complete on the one-year NetSCARF (Network
     Statistics Collection And Reporting Facility) Project.  Funded by a
     grant from the Resource Allocation Committee, the project has been
     extremely successful; to date, more than 1700 users in 70 countries
     have downloaded the Scion code.  Merit's NetSCARF team includes
     Bill Norton, project director, Andy Adams, lead software architect,
     and programmer Bill Siadak.

     Scion can be used by ISPs to collect network statistics and display
     performance reports on the World Wide Web.  The code, derived from
     the initial NSFNET project's statistics collection and reporting
     activities, is easy to install and run.  Every ten minutes, Scion's
     optimized SNMP library queries ISP routers for the values of
     variables such as sysUpTim and ifLastChange.  The library uses SNMP
     Version 1, and can be configured to use SNMPv2u, the User-based
     Security model for SNMPv2.  Scion's SNMP API is unique, in that it
     allows the developer to specify a list of nodes, a community string
     (or userid/authentication password/privacy password in the case of
     SNMPv2u), and a list of management objects to retrieve. All queries
     are then transmitted back- to-back, without waiting for any
     replies. The data collection activity is thus very fast, and the
     results highly synchronized.  Other publicly available SNMP
     libraries force applications to wait for a response (or timeout)
     for a given query before the next query can be issued to a
     different node.




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     The raw SNMP statistics are pre-processed each evening, and the
     processed data delivered to CGI scripts, using what the developers
     believe to be the first public domain implementation of the OpStats
     (RFC 1856) client/server model.  Finally, ISP performance reports
     based on the 'cooked' data are displayed on the Web via the CGI
     scripts.

     ISPs can use the Scion code to automatically produce HTML graphs
     showing system uptime, interface uptime, and total network traffic
     measured in packets.  An advanced statistics Web page allows users
     to specify customized graphing parameters.

     Some of the new features contained in version 3.0 are:

       -  A moving strip chart that can be used to monitor traffic and
          display network data in real-time.
       -  A new graphical tool, scadmin, which allows you to associate
          nodes with arbitrary names instead of hard-to-remember IP
          addresses.  The tool can also be used to control access to
          each node on a per-user basis.
       -  Interfaces can be marked as internal or external to the
          network.
       -  Clickable graphs make it possible to zoom in on traffic graphs
          to display greater detail.

     Source and binaries are available for Solaris, SunOS, BSDI, AIX,
     and Windows NT.  For information on downloading version 3.0, see:

       http://www.merit.edu/~netscarf/
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Merit continues to expand its Web collection of  "Internet
     Resources for ISPs".  The site now contains information on:

       -  Outage Notification Services
       -  Routing and Exchange Points
       -  Routing Tools and Analysis
       -  CIDR
       -  Statistics and Network Management
       -  Internet Organizations
       -  Ethics
       -  Other ISP Web Pages
       -  Other Useful References

     See:

       http://www.merit.edu/ipma/docs/isp.html
     ------------------------------------------------------------




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     IBM Global Services hosted the tenth North American Network
     Operators' Group (NANOG) meeting in Tampa on June 6-7.  Stan Barber
     of Academ Consulting Services has kindly made available a complete
     set of notes and slides from the meeting; they are available
     through the NANOG Web site (http://www.nanog.org).  Bill Norton of
     Merit moderated the meeting. which featured the following
     presentations:

       -  Introduction to Network Performance Measurement (Daniel
          McRobb, ANS)
       -  Performance Measures for Multimedia Applications (Randy
          Bloomfield, Institute for Telecommunication Sciences)
       -  Practical Aspects of Wireless Networking (Stephen Stuart,
        Digital)
       -  Current Issues in Inter-Provider Multicasting (Dave Meyer,
          Univ. of Oregon)
       -  The Zebra Distributed Routing Software (Kunihiro Ishiguro,
          Digital Magic Labs)
       -  International Exchange Points: Growth & Trends (Bill Manning,
          ISI)
       -  Large & Small Exchange Points:  Advantages, Tradeoffs, Futures
          (Bill Manning)
       -  Limiting Use of MEDs at the Exchange Points (Randy Bush,
          Verio, Inc.)
       -  Draining the Swamp: Summary of Renumbering Efforts (Bill
          Manning)
       -  InterNIC Update (Mark Kosters, InterNIC)
       -  ARIN Update (Kim Hubbard, InterNIC)
       -  Challenges of Creating Ubiquitous Global Internets - the
          Teledesic Example (Hans-Werner Braun, Teledesic)
       -  Applications of Routing Policy System Language  (RPSL)
          (Dave Meyer, Univ. of Oregon)
       -  Report on Inter-Provider Cooperation (Randy Bush)
       -  BGP Community Support in GateD (Sue Hares, Merit)
       -  CAIDA (Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis)
          and ISMA (Internet Statistics and Metrics Analysis) (K.
          Claffy, NLANR)
       -  Australian National NAP Fabric (Thomas Koltai, Australian
          Internet Exchange Fabric - AUIX)

     A highlight of the "Open Issues Forum" was a discussion of ISP-to-
     telco operational issues, which included a presentation by PacBell
     NAP manager Fran Clairmont.  The meeting also featured a tutorial
     titled "Review of Internet Resources for ISPs," presented by
     Michael Dillon of Priori Networks Inc., as well as demonstrations
     of freely available tools for troubleshooting network problems and
     registering policy in the Internet Routing Registry.
     ------------------------------------------------------------



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     Sue Hares taught sessions on Backbone Internetworking Technology at
     the Internet Society's Workshop on Network Technology for Countries
     in the Early Stages of Internetworking, presented in conjunction
     with the INET'97 conference. The workshop was held in Kuala Lumpur,
     Malaysia.

     Susan R. Harris (srh@merit.edu)

INET97 REPORT
-------------

                              Trip Report
                    INET97 - Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
                               June 1997
                           Joyce K. Reynolds
                   USC/Information Sciences Institute


   The Internet Society's INET 97 was held in June 1997, in Kuala,
   Lumpur, Malaysia, with approximately 2500 attendees.  Joyce K.
   Reynolds was the User co-track leader of INET97, along with Mark
   Prior, connect.com.au pty ltd, Australia.  Joyce and Mark worked with
   John Hine (INET97 Program Chair) and the rest of the invited program
   committee members to produce the agenda and proceedings for the
   conference.

   The INET97 User Track had seven sessions:

            - Electronic Publishing
            - Using Technology
            - Art and the Internet
            - Impact of the Internet
            - Disabilities
            - Community Networking
            - Disabilitites Panel

   For further information on the User Track presentations, presenters
   and panelists, please see:

        http://www.isoc.org/inet97/proceedings/INDEX.HTM











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IANA REPORT
-----------

     Here is the June Report on IANA activity and assignments:

     Country Codes                                   2
     DHCP Options                                    3
     Domain System Parameters                        2
     Media Types                                     11
     Multicast Addresses: Individual Assignments     4
     Novell SAP Numbers                              2
     Private Enterprise Numbers                      59
     Port Numbers                                    34
     SMI Numbers                                     3

     Josh Elliott <elliott@isi.edu>

RFC EDITOR REPORT
-----------------

     This is a summary of Request for Comments Editor activity for the
     month of June, 1997:


                                  TIME IN QUEUE
     DOCUMENTS        New*   30 days     60 days      90 days      TOTAL
     ------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                  |
     Beginning of       0       25          4             7       | 36
     month                                                        |
                                                                  |
     New               11        0          0             0       | 11
                                                                  |
                                                                  |
     Processed          3       12          4             1       | 20
     ------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                  |
     End of month       8       13          0             6       | 27

     * New RFCs added to queue throughout the month











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     The Requests for Comments (RFCs) are a series of notes, started in
     1969, about the Internet (originally the ARPANET). The notes
     discuss many aspects of computing and computer communication
     focusing in networking protocols, procedures, programs, and
     concepts, but also including meeting notes, opinion, and sometimes
     humor. The specification documents of the Internet protocol suite,
     as defined by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) and its
     steering group (the IESG), are published as RFCs.

     RFCs-to-be are edited by the RFC Editor.  RFCs enter the RFC
     Editor's work queue either by an action of the IESG or by
     independent submission.  Most independent submissions are referred
     to the IESG to check for overlap with IETF work.  The IESG might
     put a hold on a document to gather more input from its members.
     The wait for an RFC to be published varies as there can be
     unforeseen complications (typically editorial matters that need
     clarification from the author).  Documents can be removed from the
     publication queue if they are found to be insufficient or incorrect
     or if the IESG asks the author to join work already in progress in
     the IETF.

     Mary Kennedy <rfc-ed@isi.edu>





























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CALENDAR
--------

Last update 07/10/97

The information below has been submitted to the IETF Secretariat
as a means of notifying readers of future events. Readers are
requested to send in dates of events that are appropriate for this
calendar section. Please send submissions, corrections, etc., to:

               <meeting-planning@ietf.org>

Please note: The Secretariat does not maintain on-line information
for the events listed below.

A copy of this calendar is available as follows:

VIA FTP
-------
IETF Information is available by anonymous FTP from several sites.

        US East Coast Address:  ds.internic.net (198.49.45.10)
        US West Coast Address:  ftp.isi.edu (128.9.0.32)
        Europe Address:  nic.nordu.net (192.36.148.17)
        Pacific Rim Address:  munnari.oz.au (128.250.1.21)
        Africa Address:       ftp.is.co.za (196.4.160.12)

cd ietf
ls *0mtg*


WWW
-------
<http://www.ietf.org/home.html> Click on the link for "meetings" and
you should find an entry "listing of other Internet related events".


************************************************************************

1997
-----------

Jul. 14-17        5th TCL/TK Workshop             Boston, MA
Jul. 14-18        ANSI X3T10 '97
Jul. 14-17        APPN Implementers Workshop      San Jose, CA
Jul. 17-19        VTIC-97                         San Jose CA
Jul. 20-25        ATM Forum                       Montreal, CANADA




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Jul. 23-26        ACM DL '97  2nd ACM Int'l
                     Conf. on Digital Libraries   Philadelphia, PA
Jul. 24-25        DMS '97                         Vancouver, CANADA
Aug. 4-8          ANSI X3T11 (host by Hitachi)    Honolulu, HI
Aug. 11-15        39th IETF (host by German ISOC) Munich, Germany
Aug. 12-14        DCI's Internet Expo             Boston, MA
Aug. 13-15        IEEE 25th Annual Int'l Computer Software and
                   Application Conference         Washington, DC
Sep.              RIPE28                          TBD
Sep  2-5          1997 Int'l Conference
                  Intelligent Networks and
                  Intelligence in Networks        Paris, France
Sep. 5            TERENA Technical Committee      Amsterdam
Sep. 5            TERENA Executive Committee      Amsterdam
Sep. 7-11         5th European Conf. on
                   Computer Supported Coop. Work
                   Lancaster University           U.K.
Sep. 8-12         ANSI X3T10 '97
Sep. 8-12         OIW (Firm)
Sep. 8-14         TELECOM Interactive 97          Geneva, Switzerland
Sep. 10-12        IDMS '97  w/ ACM SIGMM, GMD, IEEE
                                                  Darmstadt, Germany
Sep. 11-12        4th Int'l Workshop on
                     Community Networking (IEEE)  Atlanta, Georgia
Sep. 14-18        ACM SIGCOMM '97  Cannes, French Riviera, France
Sep. 16-17        EWOS Assembly                   Brussels
Sep. 21-26        ATM Forum                       Paris, France
Sep. 26-30        3rd ACM/IEEE on Mobile Computing
                   & Networking 1997 (MobiCom'97) Budapest, Hungary
Oct. 6-10         ANSI X3T11  (host by FSI)       Tucson, AZ
Oct. 7-10         COMDEX Internet '97 and Object World '97
                  Internet Forum Europe (IFE) & Object
                     World Frankfurt (OWF)        Frankfurt, Germany
Oct. 15-17        ACM SIGPLAN - Conf. on
                   Domain-Specific Languages      Santa Barbara, CA
Oct. 23-24        TERENA General Assembly         Madrid
Oct. 24-26        1st Int'l Enterprise Distributed
                   Objected Computing Wrkshop
                   EDOC '97                       Gold Coast, Australia
Oct. 23-25        ETSI                            Nice, France
Oct. 26-31        LISA '97 - 11th Systems
                   Administration Conference      San Diego, CA
Oct. 27-31        EWOS Workshops                  Brussels
Oct. 28-31        IEEE Int'l Conf. on
                      Network Protocols           Atlanta, GA
Nov. 3-5          Int'l Test Conference 1997
                  Sheraton Washington Hotel       Washington, DC
Nov. 3-7          ANSI X3T10 '97



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Nov. 3-7          SPIE Int'l Symposium
                   Voice, Video & Data Communications
                   Conf. on Performance & Control of
                   Network System - Special Session on
                   Switching & Traffic Mgmt in
                   High Speed Networks            Dallas, TX
Nov. 3-7          2nd French/Brazilian Symposium
                  on Distributed System Architectures:
                  Telecommunication Multimedia Architectures
                                                  Ceara, Brazil
Nov. 8-14         ACM MULTIMEDIA '97              Seattle, WA
Nov. 10-14        IEEE 802 Plenary  Queen Elizabeth, Montreal
Nov. 12-13        CEN/CENELEC/ETSI                Brussels
Nov. 19-21        ICCC'97                         Cannes, France
Nov. 24-26        PROMSMmNet '97
                   Multimedia Networking          Santiago, Chile
Nov. 30-Dec 5     ATM Forum                       Singapore
Dec. 1-3          30th IEEE/ACM Int'l Symposium
                   on Microarchitecture           RTC, NCA
Dec. 1-5          ANSI X3T11 (host by DPT)        Orlando, FL
Dec. 2-3          EWOS Assembly                   Brussels
Dec. 8-12         40th IETF (Host: Newbridge)     Washington, DC
Dec. 8-12         OIW (Firm)
Dec. 8-12         USENIX Symposium on Internet Technology
                      and Systems)                Monterey, CA
Dec. 17-19        97 Int'l Sym. on Communications Hsinchu, Taiwan

TBA               TELECOM '97 Asia                TBA

1998
-----------
Jan 6-8           W3C Interest Group Mtg          TBA
Jan.              RIPE29                          Amsterdam (tbd)
Jan 26-29         7th Security Symposium          San Antonio, TX
Feb. 8-13         ATM Forum                       Anaheim, CA
Feb 7-9           DCI'S Internet Expo             San Jose, CA
Mar. 9-11         2nd Euromicro Working Conf. on
                   Soft. Maint. & Reeng.          Florence, Italy
Mar. 9-13         IEEE 802 Plenary                Irvine, CA
Mar. 29-Apr 2     IEEE INFOCOM '98 - Hotel Nikko  San Francisco, CA
Mar. 30-Apr. 3    41st IETF (Tentative)           Los Angeles, CA
Apr. 3-4          IEEE "OPENARCH '98"             San Francisco, CA
Apr. 12-17        WWW7                            Brisbane, Australia
Apr. 18-23        CHI '98 (ACM SIGCHI)            Los Angeles, CA
Apr. 19-24        ATM Forum                       Berlin, Germany
Apr 20-22         W3C Interest Group Mtg          TBA
May               RIPE30                          Stockholm (tbd)
May 5-8           Networld+Interop '98            Las Vegas, NV



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SPRING 1998       TELECOM '97 Africa              Midrand, South Africa
Jun 13-17         USENIX '98 Technical Conf.      New Orleans, LA
Jun 16-18         DCI's Internet Expo             Chicago, IL
Jul. 6-10         IEEE 802 Plenary                San Diego, CA
Jul. 20-24        INET '98                        TBA
Jul. 26-31        ATM Forum                       Portland, OR
Aug. 23-29        15th IFIP World. Com. Conf.     Vienna, Austria and
                                                   Budapest, Hungary
Aug. 23-28        42nd IETF (Tentative)           Chicago, IL
Aug. 29-Sep 4     SIGCOMM '98                     Vancouver, CANADA
Sep 1-3           DCI's Internet Expo             Boston, MA
Oct. 4-9          ATM Forum                       Gold Coast, Australia
Oct 20-22         W3C Interest Group Mtg          TBA
Oct 21-23         Networld+Interop '98            Atlanta, GA
Oct. 26-29        TERENA (host by DFN)            Dresden, Germany
Nov. 9-13         IEEE 802 Plenary                Albuquerque, NM
Nov. 29-Dec 4     ATM Forum                       Nashville, TN
Dec. 6-11         12th Systems Administration Conf.
                    (LISA '98)                    Boston, MA
Dec. 7-11         43rd IETF (Tentative)           TBA



1999
-----

Feb. 7-13         ATM Forum (tentative)           TBA
Feb 23-25         W3C Interest Group Mtg          TBA
Apr. 18-24        ATM Forum (tentative)           TBA
May 11-14         Networld+Interop '99            Las Vegas, NV
May 31-Jun 4      WWW8                            Toronto, CANADA
Jun 4-6           W3C Interest Group Mtg          TBA
Jul. 18-24        ATM Forum (tentative)           TBA
late Aug          SIGCOMM '99 (West Coast US)     TBA
Sep. 21-23         W3C Interest Group Mtg         TBA
Sep. 26-Oct 2     ATM Forum (tentative)           TBA
Oct. 8-14         TELECOM '99                     Geneva, Switzerland
Oct. 13-17        Networld+Interop '99            Atlanta, GA
Nov. 28-Dec 4     ATM Forum (tentative)           TBA



2000
----
May 9-11        Networld+Interop '00              Las Vegas, NV
late Aug        SIGCOMM 2000                      Europe (tentative)
Sep 25-29       Networld+Interop '00              Atlanta, GA




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TERENA LIST OF MEETINGS
-----------------------


     The current TERENA Calendar may be found on URL:

     http://www.terena.nl/news/calendar.html

     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
     +                                           +
     +       TERENA Secretariat                  +
     +       Singel 466-468                      +
     +       1017 AW Amsterdam                   +
     +       the Netherlands                     +
     +                                           +
     +       email <secretariat@terena.nl>       +
     +                                           +
     +         tel: +31 20 639 1131              +
     +         fax: +31 20 639 3289              +
     +                                           +
     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++






























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SOFTBANK Forums
===============

                       1997 Future Event Calendar

All dates are subject to change

Revision Date:  7/9/97
* Indicates an addition or correction

   Business Conferences & Expositions

   Support Services Conference & Expo West  *
   San Jose Convention Center           Conference: August 6-8, 1997
   San Jose, CA                         Exposition: August 5-7, 1997
   Registration (SOFTBANK Knowledge Interact)
   (800) 801-1354
   (719) 531-6522
   Housing
   (800) 754-8378
   (415) 378-6643

   Windows NT Intranet Solutions
   Moscone Convention Center            Conference: August 11-15, 1997
   San Francisco, CA                    Exposition: August 13-15, 1997
   Housing and Registration
   (888) 800-8920
   (415) 372-7071


   Java Internet Business Expo
   Jacob K. Javits Convention Center    Conference: August 25-28, 1997
   New York, NY                         Exposition: August 26-28, 1997
   Housing and Registration
   (888) 528-2397
   (415) 372-7069















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   Technology Performance Management Conference and Expo
   Opryland Hotel                       Conference: Sept 14-17, 1997
   Nashville, TN                        Exposition: Sept 14-17, 1997
   Registration    (SOFTBANK Knowledge Interact)
   (800) 909-9848
   (719) 531-6522
   Housing
   (888) 282-0807
   (415) 378-7079

   Seybold San Francisco
   Moscone Convention Center            Conference: Sept 29-Oct 3, 1997
   San Francisco, CA                    Exposition: Oct 1-3, 1997
   Housing and Registration
   (888) 473-9265
   (415) 372-7078

   Networld+Interop 97 Atlanta
   Georgia World Congress Center        Conference: Oct 6-10, 1997
   Atlanta, GA                          Exhibition: Oct 8-10, 1997
   Housing and Registration
   (800) 962-6513
   (415) 372-7079

   Networld+Interop 97 Paris
   Porte de Versailles                  Conference: Oct 20-23, 1997
   Paris, France                        Exhibition: Oct 21-23, 1997
   Information
   011 (33) 1 46 39 5656

   Networld+Interop 97 London
   Earls Court 2                        Conference: Oct 27-30, 1997
   London, England                      Exhibition: Oct 28-30, 1997
   Information
   011 (44) 0181 261 4415

   Windows NT Intranet Solutions Japan
   Makuhari Messe                       Conference: Nov 12-14, 1997
   Tokyo, Japan                         Exhibition: Nov 12-14, 1997
   Information
   011 (81) 3 5642 8433

   Networld+Interop 97 Sydney
   Sydney Convention Center             Conference: Nov 24-28, 1997
   Sydney, Australia                    Exposition: Nov 26-28, 1997
   Information
   011 (61) 2 9369 1242




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   Seybold Seminars Tokyo
   Makuhari Messe                       Conference: Dec 9-12, 1997
   Tokyo, Japan                         Exposition: Dec 10-12, 1997
   Information
   011 (81) 3 5642 8433

   Strategic Networks Seminars  *

   Strategic Networks offers one-day seminars for Interop Remote Access,
   Interop NetSwitch, Interop WAN, and Interop Secure ManageNet
   periodically throughout the year in various locations in the United
   States.  For registration information, please call Strategic Networks
   at 800-875-9108. For sponsor opportunities, please call Strategic
   Networks at 800-999-7624.

   Interop NetSwitch 97 Tour
   State of the Art ATM and Switched Technology
   Minneapolis, MN                       Seminar: Sept 4, 1997

   Interop NetSwitch 97 Tour
   State of the Art ATM and Switched Technology
   Washington DC                         Seminar: Sept 11, 1997


   Interop NetSwitch 97 Tour
   State of the Art ATM and Switched Technology
   Toronto, Canada                       Seminar: Sept 30, 1997

   Interop NetSwitch 97 Tour
   State of the Art ATM and Switched Technology
   Denver, CO                            Seminar: Oct 16, 1997

   Interop NetSwitch 97 Tour
   State of the Art ATM and Switched Technology
   Hartford, CT                          Seminar: Oct 21, 1997

   Interop NetSwitch 97 Tour
   State of the Art ATM and Switched Technology
   Los Angeles, CA                       Seminar: Oct 23, 1997

   Interop NetSwitch 97 Tour
   State of the Art ATM and Switched Technology
   Pittsburgh, PA                        Seminar: Oct 30, 1997

   Interop NetSwitch 97 Tour
   State of the Art ATM and Switched Technology
   Newark, NJ                            Seminar: Nov 6, 1997




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   Interop WAN 97 Tour
   Planning your WAN Upgrade - Breaking Through
   Washington DC                         Seminar: Sept 4, 1997

   Interop WAN 97 Tour
   Planning your WAN Upgrade - Breaking Through
   Newark, NJ                            Seminar:  Sept 9, 1997

   Interop WAN 97 Tour
   Planning your WAN Upgrade - Breaking Through
   Chicago, IL                           Seminar:  Sept 11, 1997

   Interop WAN 97 Tour
   Planning your WAN Upgrade - Breaking Through
   Boston, MA                            Seminar:  Sept 30, 1997

   Interop WAN 97 Tour
   Planning your WAN Upgrade - Breaking Through
   Los Angeles, CA                       Seminar:  Oct 16, 1997

   Interop WAN 97 Tour
   Planning your WAN Upgrade - Breaking Through
   Minneapolis, MN                       Seminar:  Oct 21, 1997

   Interop WAN 97 Tour
   Planning your WAN Upgrade - Breaking Through
   San Francisco, CA                     Seminar:  Oct 28, 1997

   Interop WAN 97 Tour
   Planning your WAN Upgrade - Breaking Through
   Atlanta, GA                           Seminar:  Nov 6, 1997

   Interop WAN 97 Tour
   Planning your WAN Upgrade - Breaking Through
   Philadelphia, PA                      Seminar:  Nov 13, 1997

   Interop Secure ManageNet 97 Tour
   San Francisco, CA                     Seminar:  Sept 9, 1997

   Interop Secure ManageNet 97 Tour
   Los Angeles, CA                       Seminar:  Sept 11, 1997

   Interop Secure ManageNet 97 Tour
   Washington DC                         Seminar:  Oct 16, 1997

   Interop Secure ManageNet 97 Tour
   Newark, NJ                            Seminar:  Oct 21, 1997




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   Interop Secure ManageNet 97 Tour
   Chicago, IL                           Seminar:  Oct 23, 1997

   Interop Secure ManageNet 97 Tour
   Boston, MA                            Seminar:  Oct 28, 1997

   Interop Secure ManageNet 97 Tour
   Toronto, Canada                       Seminar:  Oct 30, 1997

   Interop Secure ManageNet 97 Tour
   Minneapolis, MN                       Seminar:  Nov 6, 1997

   Help Desk Institute Regional Seminar and Expo Series

   Help Desk Institute offers several seminar series periodically
   throughout the year in various locations across the United States.
   For registration information, please call 800-248-5667.

   Regional Seminar & Expo Series
   Sheraton Washington                   Seminar:  July 14-18, 1997
   Washington DC                         Expo:     July 16, 1997

   Regional Seminar & Expo Series
   Town & Country Resort                 Seminar:  Oct 6-10, 1997
   San Diego, CA                         Expo:     Oct 8, 1997

   Software Support Professionals Association (SSPA)

   SSPA offers a variety of support programs throughout the year which
   include executive forums, software support conferences, and monthly
   online roundtable and executive sessions. For a description of the
   events and for registration information, please call SSPA at (800)
   552-3058 or (619) 674-4864.

   Virtual Roundtable - "Staffing and Scheduling Tools for
   Software Support"
   Held Online                         Roundtable: July 16, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                      10:00 A.M. PST

   Executive Session
   Held Online                           Session:  July 22, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                      10:00 A.M. PST

   Virtual Roundtable - "Building Supportability into Products"
   Held Online                        Roundtable:  August 20, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                      10:00 A.M. PST





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   Executive Session
   Held Online                           Session:  August 26, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                      10:00 A.M. PST

   Virtual Roundtable - "Harnessing the WWW as a Support Resource"
   Held Online                        Roundtable:  Sept 17, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                      10:00 A.M. PST

   Executive Session
   Held Online                           Session:  Sept 23, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                      10:00 A.M. PST

   SSPA's Electronic Customer Support Conference
   San Diego, CA                      Conference:  Oct 15-17, 1997
   (800) 552-3058
   (619) 674-4864

   Virtual Roundtable - "The Virtual Support Center"
   Held Online                        Roundtable:  Oct 22, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                      10:00 A.M. PST

   Executive Session
   Held Online                           Session:  Oct 28, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                      10:00 A.M. PST

   Virtual Roundtable - "Justifying the Benefits of CTI, IVR, and ACD
   Systems"
   Held Online                        Roundtable:  Nov 19, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                      10:00 A.M. PST

   Executive Session
   Held Online                           Session:   Nov 25, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                       10:00 A.M. PST

   Executive Forum
   Palm Springs, CA                        Forum:   Dec 4-5, 1997
   (800) 552-3058
   (619) 674-4864

   SSPA Stars Awards and Membership Meeting
   San Jose, CA                          Meeting:   Dec 3, 1997
   (800) 552-3058
   (619) 674-4864

   Virtual Roundtable - "A New Training Paradigm for Software Support"
   Held Online                         Roundtable:  Dec , 1997 (TBA)
   http://www.sspa-online.com                       10:00 A.M. PST




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   Executive Session
   Held Online                          Session:    Dec 23, 1997
   http://www.sspa-online.com                       10:00 A.M. PST

   SOFTBANK Knowledge Interact Seminars

   SOFTBANK Knowledge Interact offers SkillTech Professional Seminars
   periodically throughout the year in various locations throughout the
   United States.  For a calendar of 1997 events and registration
   information, please call SOFTBANK Knowledge Interact at 800-34-TRAIN.

   SOFTBANK Forums
   303 Vintage Park Drive
   Foster City, CA  94404
   (415) 578-6900
   Fax: (415) 525-0194
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We know this is late, but for those who can still benefit, 
Dave Morton and I have teased out a little more info...  
The following represents very hasty editing of notes he 
and I sent back and forth, so excuse changes of person, 
tense, etc.

In addition to the shuttle mentioned on the web page, etc., 
it is possible (and cheaper) to get to the Sheraton and 
vicinity (actually to almost anywhere in Munich) by public 
transport.  The system is the following (easier than it 
sounds, but time-consuming)...

Try to bring some DM cash with you.  The trolleys for a start
cost (if Dave remembers correctly) one DM to hire. Note 
this is *before* you leave customs and immigration/pass 
control so there are no banks where one can change *until* 
you are outside - pretty braindamaged but.....

Proceed to the Central Area (marked by a Z or Bereich Z). Either
use the automatic machine (will be labelled "MVV-Fahrausweise) 
to obtain tickets or go to the MVV counter if you've no change
or no 10/20 DM notes. The machines take DM 10/20 notes as well.

 *  a "single trip" ticket (Einzelfahrkarte) (8 zones)

 * an unlimited day ticket (Tageskarte). The day 
   ticket is often a better deal if you are going to do 
   anything else on the train system that day.

 * A Strip ticket (Mehrfahrtenkarte) (15DM.  The ride from
   the airport "costs" 8 strips; you can use the others 
   during the week.

The striped ticket is the best best - from the airport to most
all hotels they'll need at most to stamp 8 stripes. Those tickets
now cost DM 15 for 11 stripes. The other prices you mentioned are
old indeed so stick to the stripes solution. There are also partner,
3 day tickets and all sorts of combinations (its not a joke that the 
SDZ (largest daily newspaper in Germany) once had an article on their 
satirical page of the Sat.  edition offering a 6 day course in understanding 
the MVV tariff system. The 6th day included a practice session :-)
We've a bunch of stuff in English to hand out with all of this info.
on it. The first priority will be getting from the airport.

 * A weekly pass is also a reasonable idea if you are 
   going to be using the system during IETF, but you may 
   find it cheaper to get in from the airport and then 
   obtain an "inner zone" (MVV-Innenraum) weekly pass--
   most of the relevant sights, restaurants, etc., are 
   within that area.

Correct. There are also partner daily tickets now and partner three
day tickets - ask a the MVV desk for information and pricing. If folks
are in pairs this is probably the best value.

Find the train platform for the "S8" (see below).  On the 
platform, you will find ticket-stamping machines labelled 
"E".  

Insert the ticket arrow end first and get it stamped.  If 
you are using a strip-card, fold down the number of zones 
you are using and stamp the next one.  Munich is very nasty 
about people travelling on the system without 
properly-stamped tickets, and they do check.

There are also stamping machines at the entrace to the escaltor going to
to the platform.

Take the "S8" train (probably the only one you can find) to 
the main rail station (Hauptbahnhof).  The airport is the 
end of the line, so there is only one direction.  All S8 
trains leaving the airport go to the Hauptbahnhof.

At the Hauptbahnhof, transfer from the S8 to the U4 (this 
is two different systems, but they aren't far apart -- 
follow the signs).  Take the U4 toward Arabellapark (the 
last stop in the northeasterly direction).

Get off at the back and take the read (red?) entrance. The 
Sheraton is not exactly within sight but proceed in the 
direction of Rosenkavalierplatz and at the Spar supermarket 
take a right - the Sheraton is 150 m straight ahead of you.

Note that the above is the longest way to the Sheraton/Arabella Hotels.
Best would be to get off the S8 at Daglfing and get either a bus or a
taxi to Arabellapark/Arabellastr.

happy travels,
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>At the Hauptbahnhof, transfer from the S8 to the U4 (this 
>is two different systems, but they aren't far apart -- 
>follow the signs).  Take the U4 toward Arabellapark (the 
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>Get off at the back and take the read (red?) entrance. The 

					rear entrance....
(Thanks John).

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An interesting thought struck me   when reading about the brew-ha-ha over
the gTLD-MoU.  Clearly, the Internet is becoming a political matter. That
means not only are politicians now aware of the net, but the discussion
within the technical community itself is now largely taking place in
political terms.  Witness the fight over the domain-name space as an
example of this.

If this 'politicization' continues can anything but DNS fragmentation result?

My thought is this: in our system of government it is accepted that the
military (another potent force) should be subject to civilian oversight.
Would the Internet community also be willing to accept 'civilian' oversight
in order to avert the DNS crisis? i.e., benevolent oversight from outside
the technical community?

Does the new POC really represent all the stakeholders in the DNS and the
larger governance debate? (I don't buy the argument that the gTLD-MoU is
purely an operational concern) Would some combination of technical and
non-technical oversight better provide for the future of the network? Maybe
if governance and operational issues were de-linked  and delegated to the
proper organizations, the Internet could progress in a more controlled
fashion.

-michael

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> Would the Internet community also be willing to accept 'civilian' oversight

just for my info - what would be the "right" international 'civilian'
oversight group?

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Michael and all,

  Good points here.  I wonder what Rick Wesson's view is here.  But I
suppose he will say the same thing to you as he has others.  You don't
have a stake in these issues.  This would be a typical response from
him.  It is such a dam shame!  :(

  But I like your points here.  They have been made in diffrent terms
several times befor however, to little avail.

michael_roetto wrote:
> 
> An interesting thought struck me   when reading about the brew-ha-ha over
> the gTLD-MoU.  Clearly, the Internet is becoming a political matter. That
> means not only are politicians now aware of the net, but the discussion
> within the technical community itself is now largely taking place in
> political terms.  Witness the fight over the domain-name space as an
> example of this.
> 
> If this 'politicization' continues can anything but DNS fragmentation result?
> 
> My thought is this: in our system of government it is accepted that the
> military (another potent force) should be subject to civilian oversight.
> Would the Internet community also be willing to accept 'civilian' oversight
> in order to avert the DNS crisis? i.e., benevolent oversight from outside
> the technical community?
> 
> Does the new POC really represent all the stakeholders in the DNS and the
> larger governance debate? (I don't buy the argument that the gTLD-MoU is
> purely an operational concern) Would some combination of technical and
> non-technical oversight better provide for the future of the network? Maybe
> if governance and operational issues were de-linked  and delegated to the
> proper organizations, the Internet could progress in a more controlled
> fashion.
> 
> -michael
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>         Tube Based Media   - www.box.nl/~unit/tbm
>         Personal Page  - www.box.nl/~unit/mike
>         e-mail - tbm@box.nl
>           *internet consultancy & web designs*
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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-- 
Jeffrey A. Williams
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Information Eng. Group. IEG. INC. 
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michael_roetto wrote:
> 
> An interesting thought struck me   when reading about the brew-ha-ha over
> the gTLD-MoU.  Clearly, the Internet is becoming a political matter. That
> means not only are politicians now aware of the net, but the discussion
> within the technical community itself is now largely taking place in
> political terms.  Witness the fight over the domain-name space as an
> example of this.
> 

Michael,

First I should say I'm loath to cc: the IETF list who are probably 
totally fed up with hearing about this topic. Out of respect for those who 
certainly have more important things to do, I'll make this only one post to 
the main IETF mailing list on this topic.

Anyway, your take that the DNS administration issues are totally politicized 
is right on the mark. The IAHC/iPOC has traveled incessantly during the 
last 10 months speaking with dozens of regulatory bodies, major companies, 
government bodies, etc - technology is almost never a topic (although this 
has changed recently since the gTLD registrar selection process has started 
and folks have realized that this is actually going to happen). For those 
interested, see www.gtld-mou.org. 

Unfortunately, the desire for commercial control over parts of the Internet 
name space has driven much of the debate. As any 2-year old can tell you, sharing 
is not part of human nature. But the IAHC strongly believed that this was 
fundamentally the right approach drawing its conclusions from other parallels
such as 800 numbers in the US and the example of national registries such as 
in the UK where there are over *375 registrars* for .uk.

Sharing avoids the problems of private ownership, and arguably private abuse 
of the Internet TLD name space. It offers domain name portability for users 
so registrars must compete on price and service and not because they have a 
lock on a valuable TLD. We have tried to put into place a set of checks and
balances that seek to promote the principle of open and fair competition while 
preserving stability. We have tried to develop an equitable system for the 
protection of intellectual property rights but also respecting the rights of 
domain name holders. Since *both* domain name holders and trademark holders 
don't like it, I'll take that to mean that we are finding the middle road.

> If this 'politicization' continues can anything but DNS fragmentation result?
> 

The DNS will not fragment. The major governmental and industry forces now 
involved will assure (through regulatory intervention) that this will *not 
happen*. You might as well argue that the global telephone numbering system 
could fragment. The Net is so strategic for electronic commerce and DNS 
identifiers are such an integral part of commerce, this will simply not be 
tolerated. And here we find an irony - those who can only see their own commercial 
self-interest think that governmental intervention will somehow weigh in on 
their side - with all due respect, keep dreaming. In every conversation with
governmental, industry and regulatory agency, I have seen 0% support for 
private ownership of the TLD name space.

> Does the new POC really represent all the stakeholders in the DNS and the
> larger governance debate? (I don't buy the argument that the gTLD-MoU is
> purely an operational concern) Would some combination of technical and

We don't buy the argument either. The gTLD-MoU includes both policy and 
operational issues but puts the operational issues squarely in the realm of
CORE where it belongs. We have attempted to provide representation of many
stakeholders through the gTLD-Mou Policy Advisory Body and after CORE is
firmly established, I expect the PAB to evolve more fully in its role.

Concerning your comments on the makeup of the POC - you are absolutely right.
Of course, it does not represent all stakeholders in the DNS. We know it. 
Everybody knows it. But the challenge for you or any critic is to move from 
the general desire to a specific proposal. How do you define a real working 
committee with quote/unquote "all stakeholders represented" without having 
the mother of all committees? Heck, every week, we flush out a new 
"stakeholder body". We admit we haven't solve this problem -- and we admit 
we've punted on the issue. We have spent hundreds of hours debating this topic 
with no resolution. In any case, we're going to go through a public request for 
comments on this issue and maybe there are some greater minds than ours who
can suggest a solution.

> non-technical oversight better provide for the future of the network? Maybe
> if governance and operational issues were de-linked  and delegated to the
> proper organizations, the Internet could progress in a more controlled
> fashion.

On the surface, sounds wonderful but the problem is, from our experience, nobody 
agrees on what are the *proper organizations*. 

Bob

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Robert,

Robert Shaw wrote:
> 
> michael_roetto wrote:
> >
> > An interesting thought struck me   when reading about the brew-ha-ha over
> > the gTLD-MoU.  Clearly, the Internet is becoming a political matter. That
> > means not only are politicians now aware of the net, but the discussion
> > within the technical community itself is now largely taking place in
> > political terms.  Witness the fight over the domain-name space as an
> > example of this.
> >
> 
> Michael,
> 
> First I should say I'm loath to cc: the IETF list who are probably
> totally fed up with hearing about this topic. Out of respect for those who
> certainly have more important things to do, I'll make this only one post to
> the main IETF mailing list on this topic.

  I am not sure why you loath the cc: to the IETF list, but that is of
little matter in the grander scope of things I feel.
> 
> Anyway, your take that the DNS administration issues are totally politicized
> is right on the mark. The IAHC/iPOC has traveled incessantly during the
> last 10 months speaking with dozens of regulatory bodies, major companies,
> government bodies, etc - technology is almost never a topic (although this
> has changed recently since the gTLD registrar selection process has started
> and folks have realized that this is actually going to happen). For those
> interested, see www.gtld-mou.org.

  I believe that it will happen as well, but not under the current draft
of the gTLD-MoU.  All be it a good start.  Much work is yet to be done.
Getting a working root up and running is just one very important one.

  Without inclusion of ALL stake holders, that current MoU will not
prevail.  
> 
> Unfortunately, the desire for commercial control over parts of the Internet
> name space has driven much of the debate. As any 2-year old can tell you, sharing
> is not part of human nature. But the IAHC strongly believed that this was
> fundamentally the right approach drawing its conclusions from other parallels
> such as 800 numbers in the US and the example of national registries such as
> in the UK where there are over *375 registrars* for .uk.

  I agree that sharing is necessary for their to be continuity within
the
root structure, I don't agree that all TLD's must be shared in the
manner
that the gTLD-MoU suggests or requires.  Some can be managed
independantly
but shared within the root server structure.
> 
> Sharing avoids the problems of private ownership, and arguably private abuse
> of the Internet TLD name space. It offers domain name portability for users
> so registrars must compete on price and service and not because they have a
> lock on a valuable TLD. We have tried to put into place a set of checks and
> balances that seek to promote the principle of open and fair competition while
> preserving stability. We have tried to develop an equitable system for the
> protection of intellectual property rights but also respecting the rights of
> domain name holders. Since *both* domain name holders and trademark holders
> don't like it, I'll take that to mean that we are finding the middle road.

  Private ownership of some specilized TLD's like .US. and .gov, can be
managed withing a shared root structure.  The managment of those type,
and
other possible TLD's within a shared structure is definatly possible.  I
don't
fine the argument oaf a totaly shared root structure valid for that
reason.
Yet I applaud the efforts of many towards a shared root structure.

> 
> > If this 'politicization' continues can anything but DNS fragmentation result?
> >
> 
> The DNS will not fragment. The major governmental and industry forces now
> involved will assure (through regulatory intervention) that this will *not
> happen*. You might as well argue that the global telephone numbering system
> could fragment. The Net is so strategic for electronic commerce and DNS
> identifiers are such an integral part of commerce, this will simply not be
> tolerated. And here we find an irony - those who can only see their own commercial
> self-interest think that governmental intervention will somehow weigh in on
> their side - with all due respect, keep dreaming. In every conversation with
> governmental, industry and regulatory agency, I have seen 0% support for
> private ownership of the TLD name space.
> 
> > Does the new POC really represent all the stakeholders in the DNS and the
> > larger governance debate? (I don't buy the argument that the gTLD-MoU is
> > purely an operational concern) Would some combination of technical and
> 
> We don't buy the argument either. The gTLD-MoU includes both policy and
> operational issues but puts the operational issues squarely in the realm of
> CORE where it belongs. We have attempted to provide representation of many
> stakeholders through the gTLD-Mou Policy Advisory Body and after CORE is
> firmly established, I expect the PAB to evolve more fully in its role.
> 
> Concerning your comments on the makeup of the POC - you are absolutely right.
> Of course, it does not represent all stakeholders in the DNS. We know it.
> Everybody knows it. But the challenge for you or any critic is to move from
> the general desire to a specific proposal. How do you define a real working
> committee with quote/unquote "all stakeholders represented" without having
> the mother of all committees? Heck, every week, we flush out a new
> "stakeholder body". We admit we haven't solve this problem -- and we admit
> we've punted on the issue. We have spent hundreds of hours debating this topic
> with no resolution. In any case, we're going to go through a public request for
> comments on this issue and maybe there are some greater minds than ours who
> can suggest a solution.

  Yes POC doesn't represent all the stakeholders but it easly can.  I
have
outlined several times several diffrent methods that could be explored
to achieve this.  But with the current political structure, it has been 
made much more difficult to do so.  Hence the orgnizational structure
must change, along with the responsibilities of PAB/POC/CORE in your 
vision for ALL stakeholders to participate on an equal footing.
> 
> > non-technical oversight better provide for the future of the network? Maybe
> > if governance and operational issues were de-linked  and delegated to the
> > proper organizations, the Internet could progress in a more controlled
> > fashion.
> 
> On the surface, sounds wonderful but the problem is, from our experience, nobody
> agrees on what are the *proper organizations*.

  How true!
> 
> Bob

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    From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>

    > Robert Shaw wrote:
    >
    > First I should say I'm loath to cc: the IETF list who are probably
    > totally fed up with hearing about this topic.

    I am not sure why you loath the cc: to the IETF list

Because we're tired of hearing critics, often self-appointed public-interest
mavens, flame witlessly about policy issues - issues which usually only exist
because of the myopic self-interest all too apparent in some quarters.

    > Out of respect for those who certainly have more important things to
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Thank you.

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 few observations on the namespace

1/ there is no inherent value in the name space - but it is essential
infastructure -  a key difference between US and European attitudes to
the role of those looking after the name space is that the US have
parties to whom it is culturally accepted to (try to) make money out 
of something like this (or make law suits out of it) where in europe
we just get on with running things like this
as a government service or at least not
for profit quango in general - while this is not the precise sate of
affairs with respect to DNS in europe, i feel it represents most
attitudes commonly this side of the pond (i won't dare to say
elsewhere too:-) - it is unseemly, basically, to make money out such
an essential, but essentially marginal business....

2/ another cultural divide (abyss) is that between the Internet
Community, and the treaty organisations normally assigned these types
of roles (e.g. ITU, Intl. Trademark and Copyright and Patent orgs.
etc) - the lack of _trust_ (largely one way now: of the ITU, by the
IETF) fuels the lack of solution.....this is, however, a improving
situation....

hey maybe isoc could become a UN offshoot too.....?

personally, the sooner webtv and other technology makes URLs and their
embedded DNS names vanish behind clickable icons, the sooner people
will stop seeing a way to make a fast buck out of registering
"bowing.com" and "nicrosoft.com" and selling them at a profit to the
first sucker.....its all such a sad waste of resource (as is this email:-)

cheers


 jon

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> From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
>   I am not sure why you loath the cc: to the IETF list, but that is of
> little matter in the grander scope of things I feel.

Because the IETF list is about governing the IETF (and to a certain
extent, the IAB and IRTF), not the Internet.

Because the DNS is not the Internet, it is only one small part of the
technical and operational problems of the Internet.

Because we have already appointed very capable representatives to the
IAHC nee PoC, who individually showed dedication, honor and integrity,
and made one of the most incredible personal sacrifices of any effort
that I have seen in a decade of Internet experience.

Because, even while we may disagree with some of the specific results,
we know and trust our representatives, and are profoundly grateful that
they took up the burden on our behalf.

Because we know enough not to trust anyone who clearly doesn't yet have
a clue about the tao of the IETF.

Because we hate clueless off-topic multi-list posting.

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William,

William Allen Simpson wrote:
> 
> > From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> >   I am not sure why you loath the cc: to the IETF list, but that is of
> > little matter in the grander scope of things I feel.
> 
> Because the IETF list is about governing the IETF (and to a certain
> extent, the IAB and IRTF), not the Internet.

  This does not seem to be a very good resaon in my mind.  In that the
IETF has and is considered widely as one of the influencing bodies
in governing to some extent the Internet, I find this somewhat puzzeling
as one of your or the IETF's answers to my query.
> 
> Because the DNS is not the Internet, it is only one small part of the
> technical and operational problems of the Internet.

  Small?  That seems a bit of an understatment.  It is a KEY area
or the operational structure of the internet.
> 
> Because we have already appointed very capable representatives to the
> IAHC nee PoC, who individually showed dedication, honor and integrity,
> and made one of the most incredible personal sacrifices of any effort
> that I have seen in a decade of Internet experience.

  Very likely so.  Seems that this is a reason TO have this posted
to the IETF list, rather than otherwise. " Awarness is a step to
knowledge and understanding."  Lao Tzu.
> 
> Because, even while we may disagree with some of the specific results,
> we know and trust our representatives, and are profoundly grateful that
> they took up the burden on our behalf.
> 
> Because we know enough not to trust anyone who clearly doesn't yet have
> a clue about the tao of the IETF.

  Surely you are not refering to myself here?  If so, I beg your
pardon.
> 
> Because we hate clueless off-topic multi-list posting.

  Well I guess I could take this as an insult.  But I won't.  I just
have to assume that becouse you do not know me, you have just made
a judgment error.  And anyone can do that I suppose.  >;)
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NO WAY!!!!

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> find me a job in england. now!
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	=09

Hey There Brad!
Guess what! I beat you too it!  I actually had visited Kitty on Sunday =
to make sure she was ok.  I took her some half and half as a treat to =
"make friends" (I know you said she was gaining weight but I couldn't =
resist).  She came down from upstairs (I guess she was at Jan's, but I =
didn't see him?) And she drank some and then sat on my lap for an hour =
telling how much she missed you.................I was planning on =
watering Wed. since you watered Thurs. of last week.  I noticed you left =
quite a few lights on???  I didn't turn any off?  Do you want them to =
remain on (and the radio too)??

Went to the beach Sunday night on my way out and it was =
glorious..........I had worked all day Sat (Epoch die hard) so it was =
nice to relax...................It was pretty windy and overcast, just =
the way I like it!  Not that many people around.

I will probably check on things Friday too and every few days after =
that.  Are you coming back on a Friday (the 22nd?)=20

Hope all is well and that you are having a GREAT time

Toni


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hey there. you probably have not been by the house.  No=20
problem.  let me know how cat is doing when you get a chance.
Plants are easily replaced.

checked into my hotel here.  they put me in a suburb area way=20
out from town.  the hotel was a poor attempt at a US style=20
hotel.  Small rooms, expensive.  I moved out after one night.
I took the metro downtown and now am staying at a place right
in the center of old munich.  I have to take the metro back to
get to the conference, but who cares.

Downtown is nice, execpt the all speak german. and all
they drink is beer.  The beer is damn good, but I like a=20
little wine too.=20

gotta go.

brad

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"One-paragraph" summary, Common Authentication Technology (CAT) meeting,
Munich IETF, 13 August 1997; full minutes to follow.

The CAT WG met for one session at the Munich IETF.  Status of several
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Hey out there,

We have a problem with the limited number of errors that are available
to an SNMP set request.
To solve our problem, we added an extra MIB variable to our enterprise
specific MIB which
when included in a standard set request will return a meaningful error
code.

It is my understanding from reading the rfc's that the values in a
"varbind" in the set request
cannot be changed in the get response. That means that we legally could
not return a different
value in the set request to specify a more meaningful error code.

Has anyone out these had a similar problem? Is it legal to return a
different value in a get
response from the set request?

Thanks for your help,
Harley Frazee

Premisys Communications, Inc.
harley@premisys.com
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Keith,

  Has there been any updates on this situation?  Have you received 

  any input from you mailing list?


  If there is anything I can do to help move the process forward,

  I am, as always, willing to help.


Sincerely,

Glen Clark

Cisco Systems, Inc.


At 05:33 PM 7/22/97 -0400, Keith Moore wrote:

>Okay, but I'm still interested in opinions from this mailing list, of

>the relative merits of the two telnet serial port specifications.

>

>thanks,

>

>Keith

>

>(and will someone please add Glen to the list?  thanks!)

>

>Glen Clark writes:

>

>>   As I stated in my previous mail, until I better understand the 

>>   proceedure I would suggest both drafts be left experimental.

>> 

>>   I am especially interested in this course since I am not able to

>>   register myself to the alias which the call for consensus would

>>   be made.  Keith's suggestion has not produced any notification,

>>   and my attempts to ask others in the IETF and Internic have not

>>   been responded to.

>> 

>>   Until such time as my interests and the interests of the OEM's which

>>   already have the Telnet Com Port Control Option in the field can be

>>   represented I feel it is more appropriate that both drafts be left 

>>   as experimental.

>

>

>

>

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>At 01:00 PM 8/13/97 -0700, Harley Frazee wrote:

Hi Harley,

>Hey out there,

[If further follow-up is needed, I suggest you post it to
snmpv2@tis.com, rather than the main IETF list.]

>We have a problem with the limited number of errors that
>are available to an SNMP set request.

Are you referring to SNMPv1 or SNMPv2c?  If the former,
note that 13 new error codes were added in SNMPv2c,
mostly for the benefit of reporting SetRequest errors.
Here's the list from the WinSNMP API header file:

// SNMP Error Codes Returned in Error_status Field of PDU
// (these are NOT WinSNMP API Error Codes)
// Error Codes Common to SNMPv1 and SNMPv2
#define SNMP_ERROR_NOERROR              0
#define SNMP_ERROR_TOOBIG               1
#define SNMP_ERROR_NOSUCHNAME           2
#define SNMP_ERROR_BADVALUE             3
#define SNMP_ERROR_READONLY             4
#define SNMP_ERROR_GENERR               5
// Error Codes Added for SNMPv2
#define SNMP_ERROR_NOACCESS             6
#define SNMP_ERROR_WRONGTYPE            7
#define SNMP_ERROR_WRONGLENGTH          8
#define SNMP_ERROR_WRONGENCODING        9
#define SNMP_ERROR_WRONGVALUE           10
#define SNMP_ERROR_NOCREATION           11
#define SNMP_ERROR_INCONSISTENTVALUE    12
#define SNMP_ERROR_RESOURCEUNAVAILABLE  13
#define SNMP_ERROR_COMMITFAILED         14
#define SNMP_ERROR_UNDOFAILED           15
#define SNMP_ERROR_AUTHORIZATIONERROR   16
#define SNMP_ERROR_NOTWRITABLE          17
#define SNMP_ERROR_INCONSISTENTNAME     18

If you find the full current list inadequate for your
needs, please explain (on the snmpv2@tis.com list)
what you need.

>To solve our problem, we added an extra MIB variable to
>our enterprise specific MIB which when included in a
>standard set request will return a meaningful error
>code.

This is not an uncommon idea...except that the "extra MIB
variable[s]" should be accessed via a GetRequest following
a failed SetRequest.

>It is my understanding from reading the rfc's that the
>values in a "varbind" in the set request cannot be changed
>in the get response. That means that we legally could
>not return a different value in the set request to specify
>a more meaningful error code.

Right (actually, I'd have to check to see whether it's
legal to use the new SNMPv2c varbind exception codes...
but I doubt that it is).

>Has anyone out these had a similar problem?

Yes.  I think that the new SNMPv2c error codes addressed
many of the traditional needs in this area and the use
of "extended error code" MIB variables--via subsequent
GetRequest PDUs--is also used in some cases.

>Is it legal to return a different value in a get
>response from the set request?

No.

Cordially,

BobN
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There is an interesting article on the Department of Commerce's 
request for public input on the domain name issue:

	http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/081597domain.html

The end of the article quoted Don Heath of the Internet Society on 
the issue of Internet self-governance.  Since the ietf@ list doesn't 
seem to be the appropriate place to -broadly- discuss or follow the 
"self-goverance" issue, does anyone know if a specific 
"internet-self-governance" e-mail discussion list or WWW conference 
has been established?  From a person who is interested in how the 
Internet and "real" democracy are converging - how the Interent uses 
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say about how these online tools impact the entire future of 
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Thanks,
Steven Clift
Democracies Online


Here is the quote:

"Members of that task force at a July forum on domain governance
emphasized that their plan is up for constant review and 
change. And Don Heath, the president ofthe Internet Society 
and chairman of the IAHC,said he welcomes suggestions from 
the Commerce Department. 

        "We will, of course, be very interested in the position that
        evolves for the government from these comments and plan to put
        great significance in what the their position is," he said. 

        Heath called the process a healthy one that "will add to the
        broader understanding of many Internet users while helping to
        reach a consensus." 

        Self-governance, he said, is the most difficult issue the
        Internet faces today. 

        "If the Internet is ever to reach its fullest potential, it
        will require self-governance, or self-regulation," he said.
        "The Internet Society will continue to take the leadership
        role in fostering self-governance. We certainly do not want to
        control, nor govern, but we do want to see effective
        self-governance." 
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     Steven L. Clift, Director, Democracies Online
     3454 Fremont Ave S, Minneapolis, MN 55408 USA   
     Tel: 612-824-3747  E: clift@freenet.msp.mn.us

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My personal notes (not official minutes) from some of the applications
area working groups during the IETF meeting in Munich, August 1997,
is available at URL
http://www.dsv.su.se/~jpalme/ietf/ietf-august-97-notes.html.

The notes cover partially the following working groups and BOFs:

Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG
Webdav - WWW Distributed Authoring and Versioning WG
A character set policy for the IETF BOF
Drums - revision of the e-mail standards WG
Registry Information Database Exchange Formats and Protocols BOF
Sending HTML in e-mail - MHTML WG

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Richard,

Richard J. Sexton wrote:
> 
> One thing I don't understand is why the IETF has been constantly
> left out of the DNS crisis resolution.

  The IETF bowed out of the problem early on on their own
accord.  A dicission I to this day do not understand.

  BTW, I am copying them (IETF) on my response to you now.
Hope that is ok?  Maybe something will shake loose.


  In several cases I have cc'ed some of the discussions
from the IAHC-Discuss list as well as the gTLD-MoU and
Domain-policy lists.  I was rebuffed very strongly
from several members for doing so.  In the case of
Don Heath, he even changed his E-Mail address several
times to avoid recognizing this problem.  I don't
understand.
> 
> It's been said the IETF speaks only to operational issues,
> and in my mind this is simply a method of automtic exclusion
> for purposes of control.

  The IETF excluded themselvs BY CHOICE!  (See my comment above)
> 
> While the IETF charter is clear, I say "tough shit". We have
> this as the oldest bunch of folks that can get together
> and *build* things to fix net.problems, and has a method
> for depositing documents with due diligence that we
> call the rfc process.

  I agree.  I would say that some of the relevant RFC's
such as RFC2050, RFC1918 and RFC1917, which relate to
IP allocations are really non-addressive of the current 
situation.  As a long standing member of IETF myself,
I find their lack of intrest as a standards body very
confusing.  On several occasions, as I mentioned above
I have attempted to get the IETF actively involved, to
no avail.  Puzzeling in my mind.  Can't put my finger
on the reason why.
> 
> It is my fervent belief that an iedf session of from 3 to
> 5 days durarion would fix every problem related to the
> DNS today.

  I totaly agree.  Hence my puzzelment as to their 
steadfast refusal to become involved.  Go figure.
> 
> If we try this and fail, I will understand. If we don't,
> I will not.

  Well I think this may be a bit of an extream view, I can
certianly understand your feeling.  I share it to a degree.
If you have any particular influence that can turn their 
thinking around, I encourage you and anyone to exert that
to the fullest.  You may be alinated for a time, but we 
all face that possibility every day anyway.

Regards,

-- 
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java Development Eng.
Information Eng. Group. IEG. INC. 
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CAT fanciers:

As noted last week in the summary minutes from the Munich CAT session, two
attendees asserted that snego-06 did not accurately capture established WG
consensus re certain issues (not detailed within the session).  It was
proposed that these issues be identified on the WG mailing list during the
meeting week so as to enable timely reconciliation, but this does not yet
appear to have taken place.  Recognizing the need to balance the following
factors:

- timely progress towards advancement of a significant work item which has
been pending for some time

- the need for WG advancement recommendations to reflect at least rough
consensus among the set of WG members actively involved in reviewing
particular specifications

- possible travel and attendant unavailability among relevant individuals,

I'd like to propose the following plan on behalf of the WG: the concerns
mentioned at the meeting (accompanied, if possible, by specific proposed
changes to snego-06 text in order to reconcile those concerns) are to be
identified to the mailing list no later than Wednesday, 27 August in order
to enable review and discussion by the snego-06 document editors and the WG
generally.  Should the results of such discussion dictate a subsequent
snego revision, that revision would be submitted to the IESG requesting
consideration for Proposed Standard status.  If the results of such
discussion do not dictate changes to snego-06, or if the issues cited at
the Munich meeting are not identified to the WG list by Wednesday, 27
August, snego-06 will be submitted to the IESG requesting consideration for
Proposed Standard status. 

Is this plan feasible and tolerable to/for all concerned?  I'll assume its
acceptance on behalf of the WG unless objections are raised on the mailing
list by Wednesday, 27 August.

Thanks, regards, ...

--jl



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At 11:41 AM 08/18/97 +0100, Jeff Williams wrote:

>
>  The IETF bowed out of the problem early on on their own
>accord.  A dicission I to this day do not understand.
>

The IETF Working Groups, by and large, does not engage in policy
issues.

- paul

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Paul and all,

Paul Ferguson wrote:
> 
> At 11:41 AM 08/18/97 +0100, Jeff Williams wrote:
> 
> >
> >  The IETF bowed out of the problem early on on their own
> >accord.  A dicission I to this day do not understand.
> >
> 
> The IETF Working Groups, by and large, does not engage in policy
> issues.

  Though I respect your concern here, there is alot more than just a 
policy issues involved here.  Many technical issues are also part
and parcel to this problem, which is what I was eluding to.  It 
would seem to me that the IETF could knock these issues out fairly
easly and quickly, and never get involved with the policy issues.
> 
> - paul

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    From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>

    > One thing I don't understand is why the IETF has been constantly left
    > out of the DNS crisis resolution.

    The IETF bowed out of the problem early on on their own accord. A
    dicission I to this day do not understand.

As Paul Ferguson indicated, because these are mostly *policy* issues, and the
IETF (wisely, in my opinion) takes a limited role in such issues.

As a pragmatic matter, the IETF cannot take an oversight role anyway, because
we have no legal authority or control in this matter. Painful experience has
shown us that the courts are all to ready to jump in, and (mis)-apply
trademark, etc law to disputes in this area.

The IETF does continue to deal with DNS issues that are technical in nature
(such as the recent DNS security work), and it also stands ready to advise
policy-makers on both technical constraints, and what our perception of sound
policies ought to be (i.e. the silliness of applying national trademark law
to international domains such as .com) - should they wish to hear our
comments (and the old saying about horses and water comes to mind).

Next, I will note that the IETF is knee (waist? neck? worse?) deep in
technical issues caused by the continued exponential growth of the Internet,
and is already short of brainpower/energy for these pressing techical issues.
One is therefore forced to apply a species of triage, and apply IETF
attention where it is most useful - and policy issues where we will have a
limited role, at best, don't look like good candidates for a portion of the
IETF's limited energy.


Finally, the IETF *is* interested in being involved in these discussions -
but we do so first through the medium of individual members who want to pay
attention to the day-day goings, carried on via open specialized mailing
lists, and second, through a wider (in personnel terms) review of the final
conclusions of any such effort, for those who are interested but don't have
the time to keep up with the day-day email.


   BTW, I am copying them (IETF) on my response to you now. Hope that is ok?
    ... In several cases I have cc'ed some of the discussions from the
    IAHC-Discuss list as well as the gTLD-MoU and Domain-policy lists. I was
    rebuffed very strongly from several members for doing so.

Because those lists were set up precisely so that IETF members *who were
interested in this issue* could add themselves, and leave those of us who
were less interested out of the day-day discussions.

So, a message or so trying to clarify if the IETF made the right call (such
as the message I'm replying to) is OK here - but continued badgering to try
and get the rest of us to pay attention, once we have made it clear that we
don't want to pay attention, and have rational reasons for that choice, will
produce a negative reaction.


    > has a method for depositing documents with due diligence that we call
    > the rfc process.

I'm certain that you will find that the RFC process (and indeed the whole
document-distribution system, including I-D's) stands more than ready to help
distribute any documents - and indeed I expect the IETF is interested in
having *all* our mechanisms, such as open special-interest mailing lists, as
well as wider review of eventual consensus outputs from such smaller groups,
available to help.


    > It is my fervent belief that an iedf session of from 3 to 5 days
    > durarion would fix every problem related to the DNS today.

    I totaly agree. Hence my puzzelment as to their steadfast refusal to
    become involved. Go figure.

    > If we try this and fail, I will understand.

I think you're both barmy if you really think that that would work.

Any solution the IETF comes up with will be immediately ignored by courts in
the US, Germany, etc - which are *already* moving in on their own, ignoring
the opinion of the IETF.

(Speaking of Germany, I rather liked the case of the US company with German
interests being slammed in the German courts for Web pages in the US which
used a term trademarked in Germany - a term *for which the company held a
valid trademark in the US* - I'm waiting to see what happens when US courts
decide to apply the principle in reverse to German companies - amazing how
short-sighted the German legal system was.)

This doesn't even take into account what legislatures might do.

There *is* a role for the IETF in the larger policy process, but in legal,
etc, matters you have to accept that the IETF's role is secondary to the
traditional systems that societies have for dealing with such issues.


	Noel
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Noel,

Noel Chiappa wrote:
> 
>     From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> 
>     > One thing I don't understand is why the IETF has been constantly left
>     > out of the DNS crisis resolution.

  First of all this is Richards comment.  But I do agree with it
for the most part.
> 
>     The IETF bowed out of the problem early on on their own accord. A
>     dicission I to this day do not understand.
> 
> As Paul Ferguson indicated, because these are mostly *policy* issues, and the
> IETF (wisely, in my opinion) takes a limited role in such issues.

  This is not an answer.  Most of the problems with the current DNS
problem are NOT policy issues as I stated fully in my prevuous response
to Paul.  The problems of policy revolve around TEHCNICAL problems
with .com, .net and .org and the admisistration of the "Root" in it's
legacy software form currrently.  So I find this response a NON_ANSWER
and self avoiding.  As a member of IETF, I feel shamed.
> 
> As a pragmatic matter, the IETF cannot take an oversight role anyway, because
> we have no legal authority or control in this matter. Painful experience has
> shown us that the courts are all to ready to jump in, and (mis)-apply
> trademark, etc law to disputes in this area.

  I nor Richard, were suggesting that an oversite role be taken by
the IETF at all.  Rather a more "High Level" technical role.  You are
very correct that the trademark problems are outside the scope of the
IETF charter.  And as such, that should not be addressed by the IETF.
But Technical matters are within the role of the IETF, and as such,
hence ignoring them or not taking some sort of possition is very
bad overall practice IMHO for the IETF.
> 
> The IETF does continue to deal with DNS issues that are technical in nature
> (such as the recent DNS security work), and it also stands ready to advise
> policy-makers on both technical constraints, and what our perception of sound
> policies ought to be (i.e. the silliness of applying national trademark law
> to international domains such as .com) - should they wish to hear our
> comments (and the old saying about horses and water comes to mind).

  The IETF should be commended in these efforts related to pariferal
issues
such as the DNS security work, I agree.  But quite frankly, those areas,
are only PART of the DNS technical problems.  What about the rest?
> 
> Next, I will note that the IETF is knee (waist? neck? worse?) deep in
> technical issues caused by the continued exponential growth of the Internet,
> and is already short of brainpower/energy for these pressing techical issues.

  Well in that the DNS is central to the growth of the internet, I would
think that would be a great motivator to become more centraly involved
with
the DNS existing problems.

> One is therefore forced to apply a species of triage, and apply IETF
> attention where it is most useful - and policy issues where we will have a
> limited role, at best, don't look like good candidates for a portion of the
> IETF's limited energy.

  Again I will say, that is not what Richard an I were talking about
at all.  Rather Richard and I were taling to the more central TECHINCAL
issues, other than DNS security.
> 
> Finally, the IETF *is* interested in being involved in these discussions -
> but we do so first through the medium of individual members who want to pay
> attention to the day-day goings, carried on via open specialized mailing
> lists, and second, through a wider (in personnel terms) review of the final
> conclusions of any such effort, for those who are interested but don't have
> the time to keep up with the day-day email.

  I can understand this compleatly.  But I have other pressing issues
on a day-to-day basis as well and manage to stay very current.  No
excuse
here guy!
> 
>    BTW, I am copying them (IETF) on my response to you now. Hope that is ok?
>     ... In several cases I have cc'ed some of the discussions from the
>     IAHC-Discuss list as well as the gTLD-MoU and Domain-policy lists. I was
>     rebuffed very strongly from several members for doing so.
> 
> Because those lists were set up precisely so that IETF members *who were
> interested in this issue* could add themselves, and leave those of us who
> were less interested out of the day-day discussions.

  That is very unfortunate that the intrest in the day to day
discussions
has little intrest.  They should.
> 
> So, a message or so trying to clarify if the IETF made the right call (such
> as the message I'm replying to) is OK here - but continued badgering to try
> and get the rest of us to pay attention, once we have made it clear that we
> don't want to pay attention, and have rational reasons for that choice, will
> produce a negative reaction.

  Very intresting.  No badgering is intended at all.  Only saying "WAKE
UP".
> 
>     > has a method for depositing documents with due diligence that we call
>     > the rfc process.
> 
> I'm certain that you will find that the RFC process (and indeed the whole
> document-distribution system, including I-D's) stands more than ready to help
> distribute any documents - and indeed I expect the IETF is interested in
> having *all* our mechanisms, such as open special-interest mailing lists, as
> well as wider review of eventual consensus outputs from such smaller groups,
> available to help.

  THis is great!  However, much greater role in the TECHNICAL issues
that are more CENTRAL DNS issues need attention.  This is what the
IETF is supposed to do.
> 
>     > It is my fervent belief that an iedf session of from 3 to 5 days
>     > durarion would fix every problem related to the DNS today.
> 
>     I totaly agree. Hence my puzzelment as to their steadfast refusal to
>     become involved. Go figure.
> 
>     > If we try this and fail, I will understand.
> 
> I think you're both barmy if you really think that that would work.

  What would work?  Please elaborate. 
> 
> Any solution the IETF comes up with will be immediately ignored by courts in
> the US, Germany, etc - which are *already* moving in on their own, ignoring
> the opinion of the IETF.

  As to policy, I agree.  On the other hand, I doubt that TECHNICAL
issues
would be ignored.  Rather it appears that the IETF is ignoring the
CENTRAL
TECHNICAL issues, and concentrating on more pariferal TECHNICAL
technical
issues (DNS Security for example).
> 
> (Speaking of Germany, I rather liked the case of the US company with German
> interests being slammed in the German courts for Web pages in the US which
> used a term trademarked in Germany - a term *for which the company held a
> valid trademark in the US* - I'm waiting to see what happens when US courts
> decide to apply the principle in reverse to German companies - amazing how
> short-sighted the German legal system was.)

  All of the policy issues are really outgrowths of the existing 
CENTRAL TECHNICAL issues, other than the Trademark problems, and
even those to a degree.
> 
> This doesn't even take into account what legislatures might do.

  Well you can count on them procrastinating for quite a while at 
least.
> 
> There *is* a role for the IETF in the larger policy process, but in legal,
> etc, matters you have to accept that the IETF's role is secondary to the
> traditional systems that societies have for dealing with such issues.

  I do.
> 
>         Noel

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> CAT fanciers:
> 
> As noted last week in the summary minutes from the Munich CAT session, two
> attendees asserted that snego-06 did not accurately capture established WG
> consensus re certain issues (not detailed within the session).

> Is this plan feasible and tolerable to/for all concerned?  I'll assume its
> acceptance on behalf of the WG unless objections are raised on the mailing
> list by Wednesday, 27 August.

FYI, Denis Pinkas will be back from holidays next monday, 25th August ....
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[the official version of this will be sent to the ietf-announce
list as soon as the Secretariat is back from Munich]

IAB appointments to the DNS POC

IETF,

The IAB has now concluded its discussion of the appointment of two
members to the Policy Oversight Committee established under the 
recently signed DNS Memorandum of Understanding. The list of nominees
and the procedure followed are attached below. (One nominee, Bill Manning,
withdrew after this list was published.)

We were delighted to have such a good list of nominees, but this made
the final choice very difficult as we were limited to two appointments.
As announced, we looked principally at technical expertise, 
combined with international experience.

It should be noted that we have made these appointments before the POC has been
formally established and in the absence of a precise job description for its
members. It should also be noted that the appointees are expected to act as
individual experts, not as delegates of the IAB or the IETF.

The IAB wishes to sincerely thank its appointees to the IAHC, Geoff Huston and
Hank Nussbacher, who have given much of their time and energy to the
IAHC and recently to the interim POC. We also thank the other candidates for
their willingness to serve, and all IETF members who nominated or commented
on candidates.

The IAB appointees are

   Patrik Faltstrom (3 year term)
   Rob Austein (1 year term)

Regards,
        Brian Carpenter (IAB Chair)

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The IAB has been asked to appoint two people to the Policy Oversight
Committee (POC) established under the recently signed DNS Memorandum of
Understanding.  The final list of willing nominees has now been
determined:

Antonio-Blasco Bonito
Bill Manning
Carl Malamud
Christopher Wilkinson
Eric Brunner
J. Clarke Anderson
John Lekashman
Laura L. Smith
Mark Andrews
Olafur Gudmundsson
Patrik Faltstrom
Paul Vixie
Pindar Wong
Rick Wesson
Rob Austein
Stev Knowles

The two IAB appointments will be chosen from this list shortly.
Confidential comments from the community are still welcome--please send
them to pocnom@iab.org.

Abel Weinrib, IAB Executive Director

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>IETF,
>
>The IAB has been requested to appoint two people to the Policy
>Oversight Committee (POC) established under the recently signed
>DNS Memorandum of Understanding. For full details please
>see http://www.iahc.org/gTLD-MoU.html
>
>Although there is continued discussion at the political level
>about these matters, the IAB has decided to proceed with these
>appointments to avoid loss of time if and when the POC starts up.
>
>One person is to be appointed for one year and a second person
>for three years, to allow for rolling replacements in future.
>The IAB has decided to appoint persons with strong technical
>expertise in DNS and Internet technology and with a strong claim
>to have an international outlook. The IAB has further decided
>to make an open call for nominations from the IETF community.
>
>Procedure:
>
>1. This message is the call for nominations, which should be sent
>to  pocnom@iab.org  by the closing date of 30 June 1997.
>
>** DO NOT SEND NOMINATIONS AS A REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE; SEND THEM
>   TO pocnom@iab.org **
>
>2. Each nomination must give the name, affiliation, email address
>and phone number of the nominee, plus a brief statement (maximum
>10 lines) about the nominee's technical and international credentials.
>
>3. Self-nominations are allowed.
>
>4. The IAB will verify each nominee's willingness to serve for one
>or three years.
>
>5. The list of willing nominees will be published by the IAB shortly
>after the closing date. Confidential comments from the community will
>be solicited. The IAB will then make its two appointments
>and announce them within one month.
>
>6. Apart from the above, the IAB will be guided in its deliberations
>by the procedures defined in RFC 2027.
>
>7. Nominees must accept that a recall procedure, analagous to that
>defined in RFC 2027, may be invoked at any time during their terms.
>
>Note - for future years, the IAB is considering delegating
>this task to the normal IETF Nominating and Recall Committee
>established under RFC 2027. Comments on this idea are welcome.
>
>  Brian Carpenter (IAB Chair)           brian@hursley.ibm.com
>



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IETF,

The IAB has now concluded its discussion of the appointment of 
two members to the Policy Oversight Committee established under 
the recently signed DNS Memorandum of Understanding. The list 
of nominees and the procedure followed are attached below. (One 
nominee, Bill Manning, withdrew after this list was published.)

We were delighted to have such a good list of nominees, but this 
made the final choice very difficult as we were limited to two 
appointments.  As announced, we looked principally at technical 
expertise, combined with international experience.

It should be noted that we have made these appointments before 
the POC has been formally established and in the absence of a 
precise job description for its members. It should also be noted 
that the appointees are expected to act as individual experts, not 
as delegates of the IAB or the IETF.

The IAB wishes to sincerely thank its appointees to the IAHC, 
Geoff Huston and Hank Nussbacher, who have given much of their 
time and energy to the IAHC and recently to the interim POC. We 
also thank the other candidates for their willingness to serve, 
and all IETF members who nominated or commented on candidates.

The IAB appointees are

   Patrik Faltstrom (3 year term)
   Rob Austein (1 year term)

Regards,
        Brian Carpenter (IAB Chair)

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The IAB has been asked to appoint two people to the Policy Oversight
Committee (POC) established under the recently signed DNS Memorandum of
Understanding.  The final list of willing nominees has now been
determined:

Antonio-Blasco Bonito
Bill Manning
Carl Malamud
Christopher Wilkinson
Eric Brunner
J. Clarke Anderson
John Lekashman
Laura L. Smith
Mark Andrews
Olafur Gudmundsson
Patrik Faltstrom
Paul Vixie
Pindar Wong
Rick Wesson
Rob Austein
Stev Knowles

The two IAB appointments will be chosen from this list shortly.
Confidential comments from the community are still welcome--please send
them to pocnom@iab.org.

Abel Weinrib, IAB Executive Director

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>IETF,
>
>The IAB has been requested to appoint two people to the Policy
>Oversight Committee (POC) established under the recently signed
>DNS Memorandum of Understanding. For full details please
>see http://www.iahc.org/gTLD-MoU.html
>
>Although there is continued discussion at the political level
>about these matters, the IAB has decided to proceed with these
>appointments to avoid loss of time if and when the POC starts up.
>
>One person is to be appointed for one year and a second person
>for three years, to allow for rolling replacements in future.
>The IAB has decided to appoint persons with strong technical
>expertise in DNS and Internet technology and with a strong claim
>to have an international outlook. The IAB has further decided
>to make an open call for nominations from the IETF community.
>
>Procedure:
>
>1. This message is the call for nominations, which should be sent
>to  pocnom@iab.org  by the closing date of 30 June 1997.
>
>** DO NOT SEND NOMINATIONS AS A REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE; SEND THEM
>   TO pocnom@iab.org **
>
>2. Each nomination must give the name, affiliation, email address
>and phone number of the nominee, plus a brief statement (maximum
>10 lines) about the nominee's technical and international credentials.
>
>3. Self-nominations are allowed.
>
>4. The IAB will verify each nominee's willingness to serve for one
>or three years.
>
>5. The list of willing nominees will be published by the IAB shortly
>after the closing date. Confidential comments from the community will
>be solicited. The IAB will then make its two appointments
>and announce them within one month.
>
>6. Apart from the above, the IAB will be guided in its deliberations
>by the procedures defined in RFC 2027.
>
>7. Nominees must accept that a recall procedure, analagous to that
>defined in RFC 2027, may be invoked at any time during their terms.
>
>Note - for future years, the IAB is considering delegating
>this task to the normal IETF Nominating and Recall Committee
>established under RFC 2027. Comments on this idea are welcome.
>
>  Brian Carpenter (IAB Chair)           brian@hursley.ibm.com
>
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Hi folks -

I've been selected to head this years instantiation of the IETF
Nomination committee.  The good part is that I don't have a vote, the
bad part is that I have to find 10 fellow IETF folks to actually run
the process.

This is the first call for volunteers, the second will occur one week
from today, the third 12 days from today (the 15th of August), and the
volunteer list will close 2 weeks from today.  Once the list closes,
I'll provide the list to the IETF secretariat for them to verify the
eligibility of the each of the volunteers (e.g. has attended at least
2 of the last 3 IETFs).  I will also ask them to publish the list
prior to verification for volunteers to confirm that I actually got
their email volunteering.

Volunteer statements will be accepted by email only to
"stjohns@home.net" and must include the tag "NOMCOM VOLUNTEER" in the
subject line (yes in all caps).  

The 10 actual Nomcom members will be selected by lot from the verified
list of volunteers on September 20th.  The exact procedure will be
published later, but will be based on the shares traded numbers of 11
stocks selected by the Nomcom chair.  The official shares traded
numbers will be drawn from the 20 Sept San Jose Daily news which
reports the sales figures from the previous day - 19 Sept 1997.

This is an important task - please volunteer, but please  make sure
you can commit the time over the next 5 months to fulfill the
obligations of a Nomcom member.

Thanks - Mike
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Jeff,

IMO, you are making a lot of noice here.
Honestly, I find it very tiresome to extract any substance in a posting
of 10K of which 1K is the senders contribution.

A tip: try to keep the quoted text short.

You are repeatedly mentioning "TECHNICAL ISSUES" with no clarification
as if you are assuming that everybody already know (or care) about
what you are referring to.

Another tip: avoid ambigous discussions and focus on making your point
clear and easily understood.

IMO, technical issues concerning DNS are better suited in a mailing-list
designated for that purpose. The probability of getting constructive
followups concerning technical matters related to DNS is much higher
if you move closer to such a forum.

IETF concist of individuals on a volentary basis. You can not force an
individual to work on (or bother about) issues which do not interest
that individual. My guess is that a minority of ietf@ietf.org
subscribers are interested in discussing DNS technics. And those who
are, are probably already present in mailing-lists related to DNS.

So Jeff, what are you trying to achieve here?

Regards, Tomas

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Tomas,

Tomas Fasth wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> IMO, you are making a lot of noice here.
> Honestly, I find it very tiresome to extract any substance in a posting
> of 10K of which 1K is the senders contribution.

  I don't believ I mentioned any of that In MY spicific responses.
Though they may have been part of the E-Mail I was copying to the
IETF.  
> 
> A tip: try to keep the quoted text short.

  I try to do so when it is approiate.  Otherwise clarity is more
important
and therefore requires a bit more verbage at times.
> 
> You are repeatedly mentioning "TECHNICAL ISSUES" with no clarification
> as if you are assuming that everybody already know (or care) about
> what you are referring to.

  Catagoricly NOT TRUE.  And if you don't mind me saying so, you did
not read my original post reguarding TECHNICAL ISSUES closely or
you would not be making this statment.  Please refrain from doing so
in the future.  Thank you.
> 
> Another tip: avoid ambigous discussions and focus on making your point
> clear and easily understood.

  I do try to do this.  If it is not easly understood, please feel
free to post me privatly as some have already done.  I will be happy
to refrase in hopes of helping anyone understand any point I make.  >;)
> 
> IMO, technical issues concerning DNS are better suited in a mailing-list
> designated for that purpose. The probability of getting constructive
> followups concerning technical matters related to DNS is much higher
> if you move closer to such a forum.

  I do so on some other mailing lists frequently or as time allows.
> 
> IETF concist of individuals on a volentary basis. You can not force an
> individual to work on (or bother about) issues which do not interest
> that individual. My guess is that a minority of ietf@ietf.org
> subscribers are interested in discussing DNS technics. And those who
> are, are probably already present in mailing-lists related to DNS.

  I realize what the IETF consist's of.  I am a long standing member,
though less active these days. I am not attempting to FORCE anything
on anyone and stated such clearly.  I do so again here!  I am sure you
are VERY CORRECT that there is a MINORITY of subscribers the the 
IETF@ietf.org mailing list that have ANY intrest in DNS TECHINCAL
matters.
This is unfortunate.  I do believe that raising awarness in the
severity of the DNS TECHNICAL matters is of the UPMOST importance
to the health of the Internet hwoever.  Do you disagree?  And as such,
should be a matter of GREAT importance to the IETF in general.
> 
> So Jeff, what are you trying to achieve here?
> 
> Regards, Tomas
> 
> ---------------
> Tomas Fasth <tomas.fasth@teamware.se>


  Thank you for your comments,
-- 
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please remove me from your mailing list.

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Sent:   Wednesday, August 20, 1997 10:06 AM
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Tomas,

Tomas Fasth wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> IMO, you are making a lot of noice here.
> Honestly, I find it very tiresome to extract any substance in a posting
> of 10K of which 1K is the senders contribution.

  I don't believ I mentioned any of that In MY spicific responses.
Though they may have been part of the E-Mail I was copying to the
IETF.  
> 
> A tip: try to keep the quoted text short.

  I try to do so when it is approiate.  Otherwise clarity is more
important
and therefore requires a bit more verbage at times.
> 
> You are repeatedly mentioning "TECHNICAL ISSUES" with no clarification
> as if you are assuming that everybody already know (or care) about
> what you are referring to.

  Catagoricly NOT TRUE.  And if you don't mind me saying so, you did
not read my original post reguarding TECHNICAL ISSUES closely or
you would not be making this statment.  Please refrain from doing so
in the future.  Thank you.
> 
> Another tip: avoid ambigous discussions and focus on making your point
> clear and easily understood.

  I do try to do this.  If it is not easly understood, please feel
free to post me privatly as some have already done.  I will be happy
to refrase in hopes of helping anyone understand any point I make.  >;)
> 
> IMO, technical issues concerning DNS are better suited in a mailing-list
> designated for that purpose. The probability of getting constructive
> followups concerning technical matters related to DNS is much higher
> if you move closer to such a forum.

  I do so on some other mailing lists frequently or as time allows.
> 
> IETF concist of individuals on a volentary basis. You can not force an
> individual to work on (or bother about) issues which do not interest
> that individual. My guess is that a minority of ietf@ietf.org
> subscribers are interested in discussing DNS technics. And those who
> are, are probably already present in mailing-lists related to DNS.

  I realize what the IETF consist's of.  I am a long standing member,
though less active these days. I am not attempting to FORCE anything
on anyone and stated such clearly.  I do so again here!  I am sure you
are VERY CORRECT that there is a MINORITY of subscribers the the 
IETF@ietf.org mailing list that have ANY intrest in DNS TECHINCAL
matters.
This is unfortunate.  I do believe that raising awarness in the
severity of the DNS TECHNICAL matters is of the UPMOST importance
to the health of the Internet hwoever.  Do you disagree?  And as such,
should be a matter of GREAT importance to the IETF in general.
> 
> So Jeff, what are you trying to achieve here?
> 
> Regards, Tomas
> 
> ---------------
> Tomas Fasth <tomas.fasth@teamware.se>


  Thank you for your comments,
-- 
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DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java Development Eng.
Information Eng. Group. IEG. INC. 
Phone :913-294-2375 (v-office)
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
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Randy and all,

Randy Bush wrote:
> 
> > So Jeff, what are you trying to achieve here?
> 
> Find someone foolish enough to answer his idiotic mail.

  Very intresting response from an IETF member.  
> 
> randy

Regards,
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At 03:55 PM 8/20/97 +0200, Tomas Fasth wrote:
>IETF concist of individuals on a volentary basis. You can not force an
>individual to work on (or bother about) issues which do not interest
>that individual. My guess is that a minority of ietf@ietf.org
>subscribers are interested in discussing DNS technics. And those who
>are, are probably already present in mailing-lists related to DNS.

Nobody is trying to force anybody to do anything. You are quite correct
in that DNS policy is no the perview of the IETF. Arguably, it is not
the purview of the US Government either, byt they're now involved in it
in a big way. Don't you think thats a bit ironic?

There are problems with the current DNS that are separate from 
expansion of the root zone; the latter has obfuscated the former
and impeded progress.

I think it would be beneficial if the IEFT held an emergancy workshop
about the DNS. 3 Days ought to do it. One day to recap wherere we
are right now and what has happened. One day to synthesis a more
palettable solution, one day to review and refine it. 



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Please remove me from this list.

-----Original Message-----
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Subject:        Re: my posting to newdom@ar.com

Randy and all,

Randy Bush wrote:
> 
> > So Jeff, what are you trying to achieve here?
> 
> Find someone foolish enough to answer his idiotic mail.

  Very intresting response from an IETF member.  
> 
> randy

Regards,
-- 
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Phone :913-294-2375 (v-office)
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As it often the case, I have a flock of new Internet Draft documents I'd like
to post as a result of feedback I've received from the Munich IETF. I like to
get this done quickly before I and others become entangled in other matters and
lose focus on progress made during the meeting.

This time, however, I have been unable to do so -- when I send in the new
drafts in to the usual address I get back the following:

> The cut-off for Internet-Draft submissions was Wednesday,July 30, 1997
> at 5pm ET. Internet-Drafts received after this time will not be
> announced nor made available in the Internet-drafts Directories.

> We will not accept Internet-Draft submissions until after the IETF
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> time.

The message indicates that new drafts would be accepted on or after August
18. It is now August 20 and I still get this message back.

I've always regarded the inability to send in drafts during IETF week as rather
silly -- don't we all have mail systems that queue up messages for us? This
current behavior, however, I regard as unacceptable and I would like to see it
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				Ned
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Jeff Williams:
>  Catagoricly NOT TRUE.  And if you don't mind me saying so, you did
>not read my original post reguarding TECHNICAL ISSUES closely or
>you would not be making this statment.  Please refrain from doing so
>in the future.  Thank you.

Jeff, I assure you, I tried to find such a posting in the archive for
ietf@ietf.org. There is none. And that is my point. You are showing
lack of manner by throwing a fragment of an ongoing discussion thread
onto a different audience. It will definitely not serve your purpose.

I'm not sure what you want me to refrain from, since you did not give
me (or others on this list) a fair chance to understand the issue.

When you go out of scope you are supposed to reinitialize your variables.
In other words, by addressing a new audience it's your responsibility
to state (or refer to) the facts, make your point and clarify what
you want to achieve.

I realize now that I may have jumped into something infectious here.
Based on the few messages I found regarding this subject, I got a
feeling that you are trying to raise technical issues (whatever they
are) for political reasons. If that is the case I can understand why
so few IETF'ers want to deal with it.

Having jumped into the trap, I might as well give your case a try.
But I rather do that outside this list, since I guess most subscribers
don't want to hear more about it.

So, please E-mail me a pointer where I can find facts about this.

thanks, Tomas

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> This time, however, I have been unable to do so -- when I send in the new
> drafts in to the usual address I get back the following:
> 
> > The cut-off for Internet-Draft submissions was Wednesday,July 30, 1997

Yeah, yeah.  I got the same message.  I wrote to ietf-info (since
hardly anyone on *this* list can do anything about the problem).
They know and and working on fixing it.  OK?
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  > I think it would be beneficial if the IEFT held an emergancy workshop
  > about the DNS.
I'm not aware that "the IETF" holds workshops - at least I cannot remember
any over the 8 years I've been watching IETF mailings lists and attending
meetings.
Please remember that the IETF actually does it's work in it's working groups
which in fact are constituted by the membership of their mailing lists
- while the WG sessions at the meetings are only considered as a special
way for having very intense discussion within a subset of the WG members.

I don't think that any of the existing working groups would be right
for holding that workshop (I don't think it would fit well any WG's charter).

Please think a bit more specific about what you actually mean by "the IETF
holds a workshop" (and you certainly would be more specific as to the
topic(s) of the workshop than "about the DNS"):

- how large an attendance do you think about?
- how close would you want it to resemble
  (a) the merged WG mailing lists?
  (b) the attendance of the regular IETF meetings?
  (c) the IESG with special guests?
  (d) the IAB with special guests?
  (e) the IANA with special guests?
  (f) any set of specific WGs? which?
- do you think (a) or (b) are achievable?  (I don't think so)
- do you think that's reasonable to achive (f) if the workshop topic is not
  really on the WG's charters?		(I have the feeling you want the topic
					of the workshop to be something not
					on any current charter)
- would you talk about (c) to (e) as "the IETF holds a workshop"?
					(I'd rather say "the I<something>
					holds a workshop" - and by the
					way some I<something> indeed seem
					to do workshops once in a while)

  >                 3 Days ought to do it. One day to recap wherere we
  > are right now and what has happened. One day to synthesis a more
  > palettable solution, one day to review and refine it. 
"The IETF" never works this way - not even for it's own technical subject area
- and it's just not possible to get to the IETF style "rough consensus"
with this arrangement and timeframe - and no "running code" either.
Or are you expecting results that don't match IETF style?
Why would you expect the IETF to be able/good to achive something
outside the style, the culture, or procedures of "the IETF"?

As the word "foolish" has been mentioned already and critized as being used
by an IETF member I'd like to note, that I'm painfully aware that it may be
foolish of me to contribute this comment to this discussion.
To limit my foolishness and the consumption of time I'll keep it to a single
message in this thread.


Ruediger Volk
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At 06:42 PM 08/20/97 +0200, Tomas Fasth wrote:

>
>Having jumped into the trap, I might as well give your case a try.
>But I rather do that outside this list, since I guess most subscribers
>don't want to hear more about it.
>

Right on that point.

- paul

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Please tell me why I am receiving all the coomunication that you people
are doing?

Thanks

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All,

  FOrwarding to insure that everyone can determine that I
am primarily intrested in TECHNICAL ISSUES in respect to
the DNS crisis problems. 

  I believe I posted this as a cc' befor however.

Regards,
-- 
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java Development Eng.
Information Eng. Group. IEG. INC. 
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Rob,

Rob Austein wrote:
> 
>    Date:  Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:52:32 +0100
>    From:  Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> 
>    ...Most of the problems with the current DNS problem are NOT policy
>    issues as I stated fully in my prevuous response to Paul.  The
>    problems of policy revolve around TEHCNICAL problems with .com,
>    .net and .org and the admisistration of the "Root" in it's legacy
>    software form currrently.
> 
> So what are these technical problems?  Hard to fix 'em without knowing
> what they are....

  Well if you had been following the lists you would know.  But just
as a starter here is a list.

1.) Legacy code is no longer scalable under current load.

2.) .com and .net are nearly maxed out.

3.) No truely shared registry code is in use currently.

4.) Zone file is in awful shape.

Regards,

-- 
Jeffrey A. Williams
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    From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> 

    > You are repeatedly mentioning "TECHNICAL ISSUES" with no clarification
    > as if you are assuming that everybody already know (or care) about that
    > you are referring to.

    my original post reguarding TECHNICAL ISSUES

For those of us who don't recall this message, could you please briefly post
what they were?

In doing so, please note that most of us consider the following issues:

- number of top level domains
- how many registries exist for each domain, and how those registries are
  picked
- methods for settling disputes as to who owns which name

which seem to be high on the list of those the IAHC tackled, to be not
technical issues, but policy matters.


Anyway, to the extend there are DNS technical issues (e.g. security), such
issues are, as is traditional with the IETF, best handled in a technical WG
devoted to DNS - and not by the IETF as a whole.

Even for a topics as critical to the continued operation of the Internet as
large scale routing issues (and believe me, if your IP datagrams don't get
from point A to point B, it doesn't *matter* if the DNS is working or not),
the discussion is, by and large, kept in smaller groups *where those who are
interested may participate*.

	Noel
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>> I think it would be beneficial if the IEFT held an emergancy workshop
>> about the DNS.
> I'm not aware that "the IETF" holds workshops - at least I cannot remember
> any over the 8 years I've been watching IETF mailings lists and attending
> meetings.

Ruediger, he said IEFT, that's the Idiotic Ersatz Trolling Fools.  You
bought the troll.  Install procmail now.  Do not respond to the garbage, it
detracts from useful work.

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DRAFT minutes from Munich CAT meeting; please send any comments or
corrections to the list NLT Tuesday, 26 August, in order that they
can be reflected in a timely submission to the IETF Secretariat.

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Notes from Common Authentication Technology (CAT) meeting, Munich
IETF, 13 August 1997, compiled by John Linn (with thanks to Rich
Graveman (Bellcore) for access to his notes from the session and 
to Cliff Neuman (ISI) for providing copies of his presentation 
slides in text form).

The CAT WG met for one session at the Munich IETF.  

REVIEW OF ONGOING WORK ITEMS: FTP SECURITY

FTP Security (draft-ietf-cat-ftpsec-09) is in IESG hands and had been
inadvertently delayed in its IESG consideration, but is reportedly on
the agenda to be considered for Proposed Standard status at the next
IESG conference call.

REVIEW OF ONGOING WORK ITEMS: GSS-V2 AND C BINDINGS

Re GSS-V2, the proposed approach is to integrate the RFC2078bis
changes list into an updated GSS-V2 base Internet-Draft during
September, and then (following a WG Last-Call period) to submit the
resulting RFC2078bis and the GSS C bindings as an aligned set to the
IESG, requesting their advancement to Proposed Standards; this
proposed approach was acceptable to session attendees.  No more
than very minor changes to the C bindings are anticipated.

REVIEW OF ONGOING WORK ITEMS: SNEGO

Approximately 6 attendees indicated that they had reviewed
draft-ietf-cat-snego-06; approximately 15 indicated familiarity with
this or previous snego versions.  It had been believed that
draft-ietf-cat-snego-06 represented WG consensus for advancement, but
Marc Horowitz (Cygnus) and Bill Sommerfeld (HP) indicated a position
that draft-ietf-cat-snego-06 does not reflect previously established
WG consensus in certain areas, and were to detail the specifics of
their dissent to the WG list during the IETF meeting week.  No other
snego-related comments were indicated in the session. Follow-up
discussion is underway on the mailing list.

FTP AND DSA, KEA/SKIPJACK

William Nace (NSA) presented a pair of recently-distributed documents,
concerning, respectively, FTP with DSA
(draft-ietf-cat-ftpdsaauth-00-txt), and FTP with KEA/Skipjack
algorithms (draft-ietf-cat-ftpkeaskj-00.txt).  Other contributors
include Peter Yee and Russ Housley.  Given the status of KEA/Skipjack
(currently classified), the document authors are targeting this
document for informational status. Discussion within the session
suggested informational status for the DSA document as well, but
(given the fact of unconstrained DSA specification) the DSA document
could be admissible for subsequent standards-track consideration by
the WG.  Approximately three attendees indicated familiarity with the
drafts; a concern was indicated that the algorithms applied may
constitute national-level solutions.

The DSA draft provides FIPS-196 authentication for FTP.  Unilateral
DSA signature-based authentication is used.  The KEA/Skipjack draft
provides confidentiality for both the data and command streams; labels
are also implemented.  Encrypted data are base-64 encoded.

KERBEROS PK-INIT AND PK-CROSS

Brian Tung (ISI) presented and discussed the recently-revised
kerberos-pk-init and kerberos-pk-cross drafts. Brian noted that
Kerberos open issues are being identified at
http://gost.isi.edu/info/kerberos.

KERBEROS PK-INIT AND PK-CROSS: PK-INIT

Approximately 4 attendees indicated they had read pk-init-04;
approximately 15 were familiar with one or more pk-init versions.
Document contributors include Ari Medvinsky and Matt Hur (CyberSafe),
Jon Trostle (Novell), Brian Tung and Cliff Neuman (ISI), and John Wray
(Digital). In draft-ietf-cat-kerberos-pk-init-04, a convention was
added for translating between X.500 and Kerberos names.  Mike Swift
(Microsoft) questioned why base-64 encoding was applied in name
translation rather than using the new name type being defined in
1510bis.  Ted Ts'o (MIT) observed that the base-64 approach avoids the
need to recognize X.500 semantics within Kerberos.

In pk-init-04, a client's realm comes from a certificate, not a KDC.
A client's principal name also comes from a certificate.  A KDC's
principal name was added as an X.509 v3 attribute.  Diffie-Hellman
specification was imported from PKCS #3, specification was added for
checksummed encryption, and more specific errors were defined.

Support within pk-init for SPEKE, an algorithm with which
approximately 3 attendees indicated familarity, had been proposed on
the mailing list. Ted Ts'o believed that SPEKE was patent-pending, but
terms were unknown; Cliff Neuman believed that patent or
patent-pending status should not be a bar to consideration as long as
an algorithm's implementation is not mandatory for conformance with
the specification.  Brian Tung is to continue discussion of SPEKE on
the mailing list.

Mike Swift observed that Microsoft's CAPI supports PKCS formats rather
than bare-level public-key encryption, and would like to be able to
support pk-init functions with PKCS-level objects.  Ted Ts'o agreed
that this suggestion appeared reasonable, noting the broad existing
base of code supporting PKCS formats. Brian Tung will raise this issue
to the list for further discussion.  A suggestion was made that use of
X.509 AltSubjectName be considered.

KERBEROS PK-INIT AND PK-CROSS: PK-CROSS

Brian Tung described draft-ietf-cat-kerberos-pk-cross-02 as including
minor changes relative to its predecessor.  Approximately 2 attendees
indicated that they had read pk-cross-02; approximately 7 indicated
familiarity with one or more pk-cross revisions.  In pk-cross-02, the
remote realm now determines the lifetime of a shared key.  Matt Hur
has suggested using pk-init to do pk-cross, which would be a major
change.  Mike Swift noted that Microsoft was evaluating usage of DNS
as a means to locate KDCs; this was considered to be a form of
existing practice which may warrant codification in RFC1510bis.  Mike
Swift also reiterated his recommendation, as made relevant to pk-init,
to allow public-key operations to be performed using PKCS objects.

KERBEROS-REVISIONS (RFC1510BIS)

Cliff Neuman (ISI) discussed status and issues relative to the
Kerberos RFC1510bis document, draft-ietf-cat-kerberos-revisions-00.
Approximately 4 attendees indicated that they had reviewed this draft.
Changes and issues had previously been summarized to the CAT list.  It
was noted in discussion that the currently pending issues list
includes the addition of key derivation procedures for 3DES support.

Document-related comments were solicited, to krb-protocol@mit.edu for
protocol-related issues and via http://gost.isi.edu/info/kerberos (as
also used for pk-init, pk-cross, and pktapp).  An HTML/SGML version is
in progress, targeted for completion by 1 September; its content will
correspond to a new I-D (kerberos-revisions-01) to be submitted.  As
revisions of the HTML versions proceed, corresponding I-Ds will also
be issued and will remain authoritative.

Major changes considered since the kerberos-revisions-00 I-D, and
discussed at the session, are:

- Authorization data field: Elements are of type AuthorizationData
(new terminology). New element types include: kdc-issued (checksummed
with application server's key, vouched for by the KDC of that
application server's realm), intended-for-server and
intended-for-application-class (identifying targets or sets thereof
for which a ticket is intended), if-relevant, and Boolean combinations
of authorization elements ("or" is currently proposed; "and" was
considered appropriate as well).

If a kdc-issued element occurs in an inter-realm environment, a
receiving KDC reads and (if acceptable) reissues the element; it is
not passed through without reissuance and, were a passed-through
element to occur, that element would be ignored.  Each of the
intended-for-server, intended-for-application-class, and if-relevant
attribute types carries a sequence of elements. If intended-for-server
or intended-for-application-class attributes are not understood at a
targeted recipient, their enclosing ticket is to be rejected; if
received elsewhere, they may be ignored. If if-relevant attributes are
not understood at a targeted recipient, they may be ignored. In the
interests of simplicity, and without perceived loss of needed
function, it was agreed in discussion that kdc-issued should be
limited to appear at the top nesting level only, and should not nest
recursively.

Backwards compatibility with existing code incapable of recognizing
these newly-defined elements was considered important; Cliff Neuman is
to propose text to the mailing list discussing the circumstances under
which these elements should be included.  One suggestion was that they
be included at the level of a ticket element.

- Extensions field to ticket: This is an optional sequence, allowing
additional data to be linked to the ticket so that it follows the
ticket throughout the system.  It is located in a ticket's cleartext
portion at the end of the ticket, is typed opaque, is linked from
within the authorization data field, and contains a flag as to whether
it is OK to be removed.  It can be used for PK-CROSS to distribute the
inter-realm key, or can be used to distribute authorization data which
is integrity protected but not confidential, plaintext ticket data, or
accompanying authorization credentials.  Placement of the extensions
field in the ticket's cleartext portion allows unnecessary encryption
of ancillary data to be avoided.

- Optional client version in pre-auth: This identifies the version of
kinit, in a manner considered analogous to an HTTP version string. The
intended concept is to use this for backwards compatibility when
changes are made.  These numbers are not registered and vendor
dependent; vendors or users of this field are admonished to pick
version identifiers unlikely to conflict with those of other vendors.
No corresponding server version identfier is provided, so as not to
advertise known and exploitable bugs.

RFC2078BIS, RFC1964 ISSUES

John Linn led discussion on some specific issues related to RFC2078bis
and RFC1964.

Specific items cited:

Re sequence number setup in RFC1964, John Wray's working proposal for
the context acceptor to use the initiator's ISN in the single-hop case
was accepted (recognizing that a separate reflection indicator is
included in the protocol).

Re gss_display_status and CONTINUE_NEEDED: some clarification was
desired as to whether these can be used together or not.  Some
existing implementations return CONTINUE_NEEDED when iterating through
successive messages returned from gss_display_status, but this had not
been contemplated in RFC-2078.  The sense of the discussion was that
CONTINUE_NEEDED should be returned only by gss_init_sec_context and
gss_accept_sec_context; this intent (along with commentary on the
residual portability issue) should be cited in RFC-2078bis and
defensive callers should ignore CONTINUE_NEEDED if returned by calls
other than gss_init_sec_context and gss_accept_sec_context.

If a name is imported with an unrecognized mechanism, GSS_S_BAD_MECH
status is to be returned.

RFC-2078 contains MIT arc OIDs for some, but not all, of the generic
name types; this was considered benign and the sense of the discussion
was to retain these OIDs to avoid backward compatibility issues.  For
the case of host-based service, where an IANA arc OID had been
assigned for use in preference to its predecessor MIT arc OID, it was
recommended that both OIDs be accepted with equivalent effect but that
the MIT arc OID be emitted on output.

RFC-2078bis needs (per discussion re snego) to add facilities for
informatory conf_req, integ_req inputs to gss_init_sec_context.

The conjunction of supplementary info bits and non-zero routine errors
was discussed briefly. The goal is to tighten up the list of possible
cases.  This topic was deferred to discussion on the list.

RFC1964 EXTENSIONS

Mike Swift solicited interest in two possible areas of extension to
RFC-1964, user-user authentication and initial authentication via a
dial-up access server.

Mike noted that user-user authentication would be useful for DCOM, and
suggested support for Kerberos user-user authentication as a
submechanism within RFC-1964.  Marc Horowitz believed that it would be
more appropriately supported as a separate mechanism with its own OID;
snego could be used to select between RFC-1964 Kerberos and a
user-user mechanism.  Generic resolution of name discovery for the
user-user environment was believed to be a difficult issue, but there
appeared to be interest in investigating and potentially drafting a
specification for user-user authentication support.

Mike also solicited interest in specification of initial
authentication via a dial-up server (as in pktapp), where an initial
request is forwarded through an access server.  Ted Ts'o commented
that Derek Atkins' Charon thesis had addressed essentially this
problem some years previously.

OTHER DISCUSSION

Bengt Ackzell (Generic Systems) noted that, per the Memphis CAT
minutes, IDUP had been planned for placement into WG Last Call
following the Munich meeting if no comments were pending.  Recent IDUP
on-list discussion has been quiet, the base specification has not been
recently revised, and issuance of corresponding C bindings remains
pending.  Upon further review, it appeared that further revision or
on-list discussion of pending comments was needed before proceeding.

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Ned Freed <Ned.Freed@innosoft.com> writes:

>>  I've always regarded the inability to send in drafts during IETF
>> week as rather silly -- don't we all have mail systems that queue
>> up messages for us? This current behavior, however, I regard as
>> unacceptable and I would like to see it fixed ASAP.

Someone sees those messages, as I sent mail to
internet-drafts@ietf.org in the week before IETF (to complain about
bugs in the MIME formatting) and I got a response.  I assumed that
message was more like a vacation response than a bounce.

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Yes, I got stung by this change last December IETF, things that didn't
make the deadline (by minutes) for one reason or another were not
posted.  But at least _now_ there is a message -- in December they just
disappeared.

And speaking of things that disappeared -- I had at least one draft that
was sent over 3 hours before the deadline this time, that was never
posted, and I never received a message about it either!

And I also have some drafts ready to go now....

They should go back to queuing, with an automated message saying when
they receive a draft, and with a vacation alternate that says it will
not be processed until after such and such a date.


> From: Ned Freed <Ned.Freed@innosoft.com>
> As it often the case, I have a flock of new Internet Draft documents I'd like
> to post as a result of feedback I've received from the Munich IETF. I like to
> get this done quickly before I and others become entangled in other matters and
> lose focus on progress made during the meeting.
>...
> The message indicates that new drafts would be accepted on or after August
> 18. It is now August 20 and I still get this message back.
>
> I've always regarded the inability to send in drafts during IETF week as rather
> silly -- don't we all have mail systems that queue up messages for us? This
> current behavior, however, I regard as unacceptable and I would like to see it
> fixed ASAP.
>

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At 07:50 PM 8/20/97 +0200, Ruediger Volk wrote:
>  > I think it would be beneficial if the IEFT held an emergancy workshop
>  > about the DNS.

>I'm not aware that "the IETF" holds workshops - at least I cannot remember
>any over the 8 years I've been watching IETF mailings lists and attending
>meetings.

This is very true, but doesnt mean it couldn't or shouldn't happen.

>Please remember that the IETF actually does it's work in it's working groups
>which in fact are constituted by the membership of their mailing lists
>while the WG sessions at the meetings are only considered as a special
>way for having very intense discussion within a subset of the WG members.

This, also is understood; the work that has gone on ni mailing lists
so far has brought us to where we are. Much more gets done in person
and sometimes this needs to be done. That there are IEFT physical
meetings serves as proof of this.

>I don't think that any of the existing working groups would be right
>for holding that workshop (I don't think it would fit well any WG's charter).

This is nt a reson to not do it. 

>Please think a bit more specific about what you actually mean by "the IETF
>holds a workshop" (and you certainly would be more specific as to the
>topic(s) of the workshop than "about the DNS"):
>
>- how large an attendance do you think about?

30 - 300 I would expect.

>- how close would you want it to resemble
>  (a) the merged WG mailing lists?
>  (b) the attendance of the regular IETF meetings?
>  (c) the IESG with special guests?
>  (d) the IAB with special guests?
>  (e) the IANA with special guests?
>  (f) any set of specific WGs? which?

The answer to the above is "don't care".

>- do you think (a) or (b) are achievable?  (I don't think so)

Yes, I do. Everytime a conference or workshop on the DNS is
announced the attendance just goes up. I believe this situation
has now reached critical mass (especially with no followon to
the NSF/NSI cooperative agreement) and this is an appropriate action.

>- do you think that's reasonable to achive (f) if the workshop topic is not
>  really on the WG's charters?		(I have the feeling you want the topic
>					of the workshop to be something not
>					on any current charter)

If some people get together with a common interest to solve a common
problem is is a de facto working group. The formalization of that
is rather irrellavent.

>- would you talk about (c) to (e) as "the IETF holds a workshop"?
>					(I'd rather say "the I<something>
>					holds a workshop" - and by the
>					way some I<something> indeed seem
>					to do workshops once in a while)

It's planned, it's announced, it's attended. It comes up with some r
results which are jusdged on their merit.

ISP assocations all over the world are now doing this. The research
and education commnity that used to run the net is now taking a
proactive back seat to commercial forward movement.

>  >                 3 Days ought to do it. One day to recap wherere we
>  > are right now and what has happened. One day to synthesis a more
>  > palettable solution, one day to review and refine it. 

>"The IETF" never works this way - not even for it's own technical subject area
>- and it's just not possible to get to the IETF style "rough consensus"
>with this arrangement and timeframe - and no "running code" either.
>Or are you expecting results that don't match IETF style?
>Why would you expect the IETF to be able/good to achive something
>outside the style, the culture, or procedures of "the IETF"?

Plenty of poeple have running code :-) I agree the format is a little
unusual, but this does not mean it cannot acheive goals set out for it.

>As the word "foolish" has been mentioned already and critized as being used
>by an IETF member I'd like to note, that I'm painfully aware that it may be
>foolish of me to contribute this comment to this discussion.
>To limit my foolishness and the consumption of time I'll keep it to a single
>message in this thread.

Trying to fix things is not foolish. Trying to break or prevent them is.

If you ask the man that created the Intellectual Infrastructute Fund where
30% of the domain name fees have been going, you will get a passionate
reponse about keeping the IEFT processes "pure" and free from proprieory
intererests, and the vision of thsat fund to to provide for workshops
and small research grants to further internet development. That the NSF
will probably fund the staging of such a workshop is not relevant, it's
something that needs to be tried. 

Better to try and fail, then never try.


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>FTP AND DSA, KEA/SKIPJACK

>The DSA draft provides FIPS-196 authentication for FTP.  Unilateral
>DSA signature-based authentication is used.  The KEA/Skipjack draft
>provides confidentiality for both the data and command streams; labels
>are also implemented.  Encrypted data are base-64 encoded.

Actually, the DSA signature authentication can be either unilateral or
mutual.
We only showed the unilateral case to conserve time in the slot.


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> > >  I've always regarded the inability to send in drafts during IETF
> > > week as rather silly -- don't we all have mail systems that queue
> > > up messages for us? This current behavior, however, I regard as
> > > unacceptable and I would like to see it fixed ASAP.

> Someone sees those messages, as I sent mail to
> internet-drafts@ietf.org in the week before IETF (to complain about
> bugs in the MIME formatting) and I got a response.  I assumed that
> message was more like a vacation response than a bounce.

First of all, thanks are due to Marcia Beaulieu, who earlier sent me mail
saying that the problem is now fixed. And it does seem to be.

Second, both the automatic response as well as Marcia's response to me clearly
indicate that resubmission is required. This, to me, qualifies as a "bounce",
not a "vacation notice". It doesn't matter to me whether or not someone is
reading my earlier messages if I have to resubmit them to get them posted.

				Ned
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On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, William Allen Simpson wrote:

> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 20:05:10 GMT
> From: William Allen Simpson <wsimpson@greendragon.com>
> To: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Internet-drafts still not accepting documents after Munich meeting
> 
> Yes, I got stung by this change last December IETF, things that didn't
> make the deadline (by minutes) for one reason or another were not
> posted.  But at least _now_ there is a message -- in December they just
> disappeared.
> 
> And speaking of things that disappeared -- I had at least one draft that
> was sent over 3 hours before the deadline this time, that was never
> posted, and I never received a message about it either!

There was a machine crash.

> And I also have some drafts ready to go now....
> 
> They should go back to queuing, with an automated message saying when
> they receive a draft, and with a vacation alternate that says it will
> not be processed until after such and such a date.

Enough things are changed by decisions made during an IETF meeting that 
automatic queueing of drafts received during the meeting strikes me as a 
bad idea.  Even areas without a WG meeting scheduled frequently have some 
hallway discussions.

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"Richard J. Sexton" writes:
> >I'm not aware that "the IETF" holds workshops - at least I cannot remember
> >any over the 8 years I've been watching IETF mailings lists and attending
> >meetings.
> 
> This is very true, but doesnt mean it couldn't or shouldn't happen.

Mr. Sexton, the IETF is a voluntary organization. The members have
decided they don't want to address the issue. You have no way to force
them to do so. You are free to found another organization consisting
of people of a different opinion. Now, could you please stop
broadcasting this topic to thousands of uninterested IETF members who
have decided they don't want to deal with this issue?

Perry
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At 06:52 PM 8/20/97 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:

Hi Perry. How come I'm "Mr. Sexton" all of a sudden? Is this
sme newfound Euro manners ? :-)

>Mr. Sexton, the IETF is a voluntary organization. The members have
>decided they don't want to address the issue. You have no way to force
>them to do so. You are free to found another organization consisting
>of people of a different opinion. Now, could you please stop
>broadcasting this topic to thousands of uninterested IETF members who
>have decided they don't want to deal with this issue?

Good point. Now how do you suggest the IETF members who are interested
in the issue organize?

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"Richard J. Sexton" writes:
> >Mr. Sexton, the IETF is a voluntary organization. The members have
> >decided they don't want to address the issue. You have no way to force
> >them to do so. You are free to found another organization consisting
> >of people of a different opinion. Now, could you please stop
> >broadcasting this topic to thousands of uninterested IETF members who
> >have decided they don't want to deal with this issue?
> 
> Good point. Now how do you suggest the IETF members who are interested
> in the issue organize?

I SUGGEST THEY ORGANIZE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Please stop bothering the IETF list with this.

Perry
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At 07:14 PM 8/20/97 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>
>"Richard J. Sexton" writes:
>> >Mr. Sexton, the IETF is a voluntary organization. The members have
>> >decided they don't want to address the issue. You have no way to force
>> >them to do so. You are free to found another organization consisting
>> >of people of a different opinion. Now, could you please stop
>> >broadcasting this topic to thousands of uninterested IETF members who
>> >have decided they don't want to deal with this issue?
>> 
>> Good point. Now how do you suggest the IETF members who are interested
>> in the issue organize?
>
>I SUGGEST THEY ORGANIZE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

With all due respect, Perry, you have a bit of a vested interest
here, and if it's unanimous that no IETF'ers want to do anything
I'll understand, but I wasn't aware your voice was authoratative for
all of the IETF.


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may i ask why i got all this last  mails wich are for its own "to much 
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Mobile IP uses tunneling from the home agent to the mobile node's
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	Title		: E-Mail Headers to Facilitate Mailing List 
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	Author(s)	: B. Costales
	Filename	: draft-costales-subscribe-01.txt
	Pages		: 4
	Date		: 1997-08-19
	
The number of ways to subscribe-to (and to unsubscribe-from) 
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	Date		: 1997-08-20
	
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	Filename	: draft-ietf-ion-discov-mars-00.txt
	Pages		: 6
	Date		: 1997-08-20
	
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	Title		: E-Mail Headers to Facilitate Mailing List 
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	Filename	: draft-costales-subscribe-01.txt
	Pages		: 4
	Date		: 1997-08-19
	
The number of ways to subscribe-to (and to unsubscribe-from) 
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	Title		: An Internet Firewall Transparency Requirement
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	Date		: 21-Aug-97
	
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	Title		: Layer Two Tunneling Protocol "L2TP"
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The snego-06 draft still has several problems.  Some are technical,
others are just editorial. 

** Severe technical problems (I believe these must be fixed before we
go to last call):

In section 2, there is still text about specifying a single option to
a mechanism by adding to the end of the mech OID.  I thought this was
going to be removed.  This technique has two problems.  First, if you
want to specify two options, you can't.  Second, there is nothing
preventing the owner of a bit of OID arc from defining two mechanisms
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E.  In general, if we want to have a protocol for specifying mechanism
options outside the mechanism, I think we should do so in such a way
which does not require use of snego.

Section 3.1 describes the policy for the acceptor to choose a
mechanism.  I thought we had decided that policy issues were a local
matter.

Section 3.2: if the acceptor does not understand the negotiation
mechanism, GSS_S_BAD_MECH, not GSS_S_FAILURE, should be returned.

In the current text, the mechListMic is only in the NegTokenTarg, not
in the NegTokenInit.  This means that if the client provides the last
token, then an additional message is necessary, just to carry the MIC.
This is wasteful; mechListMIC should be in NegTokenInit, and the MIC
should be in the same message as the final preferredToken, whether
generated by the initiator or acceptor.

** Minor technical problems (I believe these should be fixed, but they
won't break the spec in any significant way if not):

The negResult field is unnecessary.  The initiator can determine if
the acceptor accepted a mechanism by checking for the presence of the
supportedMech field.  Even if it was necessary, having two accept
values is redundant, as the initiator can tell from the underlying
mechanisms's return value from GSS_Init_sec_context if additional
further are necessary.

What is MechSpecInfo used for?  I'd like to hear a concrete example
about how it is intended to be used, or see it removed from the draft.
As far as I can tell, whenever this sort of functionality might be
needed, it should be inside the preferredToken, and invisible to
snego. 

** Editorial issues:

In section 2, the draft describes negotiation tokens as "new GSS-API
context-level tokens".  This is not accurate; they are simply
mechanism context-level tokens, like any other.

Appendix A: the functions' descriptions should explain how the
cred_handle is used by them.

		Marc
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	Title		: FTP Extensions for Variable Protocol Specification
	Author(s)	: S. Ostermann, M. Allman
	Filename	: draft-allman-ftp-variable-05.txt
	Pages		: 6
	Date		: 1997-08-21
	
The specification for the File Transfer Protocol assumes that the
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	Title		: Options for Repair of Streaming Media
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    This document summarizes a range of possible techniques
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	Title		: Label Switching: Label Stack Encodings
	Author(s)	: Y. Rekhter, D. Farinacci, T. Li, A. Conta, 
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	Filename	: draft-rosen-tag-stack-03.txt
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	Date		: 1997-08-21
	
'Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS)' [1,2,9] requires a set of
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	Title		: The LDAP URL Format
	Author(s)	: T. Howes, M. Smith
	Filename	: draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-url-04.txt
	Pages		: 8
	Date		: 21-Aug-97
	
LDAP is the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, defined in  
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Uniform Resource Locator.  The format describes an LDAP search 
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	Title		: FTP Security Considerations
	Author(s)	: S. Ostermann, M. Allman
	Filename	: draft-allman-ftp-sec-consider-02.txt
	Pages		: 5
	Date		: 21-Aug-97
	
The specification for the File Transfer Protocol contains a number 
of mechanisms that can be used to compromise network security.  The 
FTP specification allows a client to instruct a server to transfer 
files to a third machine.  This third-party mechanism, known as 
proxy FTP, causes a well known security problem.  The FTP specification 
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	Title		: Extensions to the Internet Relay 
                          Chat Protocol (IRCX)
	Author(s)	: T. Pfenning, K. Cedola, L. Dusseault
	Filename	: draft-pfenning-irc-extensions-02.txt
	Pages		: 39
	Date		: 1997-08-21
	
This  document  describes  extensions to the Internet Relay Chat (IRC)   
protocol defined in RFC 1459[1].  Only client-server interactions are   
defined. The added functionality includes optional user authentication   
for multiple security providers, support for UNICODE[2] characters,      
multilayer security, and a unified property mechanism.  Chat server      
implementations can optionally support channel or server services with   
full control over all messages and events. These services communicate    
with the core server over an extended IRC connection.
 
All changes to the IRC protocol are designed in a way that existing   
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sions. Support for the extended protocol can be queried by clients to    
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	Title		: IP over IEEE 1394 (High Performance Serial Bus) 
                          Revision 3
	Author(s)	: P. Johansson
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ip1394-ipv4-03.txt,.ps
	Pages		: 15
	Date		: 1997-08-21
	
This document specifies how to use IEEE Std 1394-1995, Standard for a
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	Title		: Enhanced Communications Transport 
                          Service Definition
	Author(s)	: D. Kim
	Filename	: draft-kim-jtc1-sc6-ects-02.txt
	Pages		: 78
	Date		: 1997-08-21
	
This memo is the final Committee Draft of the Enhanced Transport
  Service Definition under development within ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6/WG7 since
  last several years in order to provide to the upper-layer applications
  enhanced transport services over the current OSI transport service;
  major enhancements include multicast services and enhanced QoS.
 
  This memo is distributed to possibly interested grops within IETF,
  especially to experts in Transport Area, to make noticed the efforts
  being made within SC6 to come up with a new transport service
  definition meeting the wide range of requirements of the both current
  and future multimedia multicast applications. It is to be noted that
  a protocol maned ECTP(Enhanced Communications Transport Protocol)
  supporting this ECTS is also under development within SC6 and will be
  made public in the near future.
 
  Experts interested in this topic might compare the services defined by
  ECTS with those provided by more known protocols including RTP, MTP,
  RMP, and RAMP. The ultimate apparent objective of ECTS is the
  multimedia multicast transport service with varying degrees of
  reliability and multicast QoS.

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	Title		: Messages between Email and Netnews
	Author(s)	: J. Palme
	Filename	: draft-palme-newsmail-00.txt
	Pages		: 11
	Date		: 21-Aug-97
	
Messages can be transported through gateways between email and netnews.
Combined clients for mail and netnews can submit the same message at the
same time to email and netnews. Many netnews clients can produce email
replies to the author of netnews articles. This standard specifies how
to handle these kinds of messages. This standard specifies three new
email headers: 'Posted-To', 'Group-Reply-To' and 'Personal-Reply-To'.
Further discussions on this memo should take place in the mailing-list
MAILNEWS-L@SEGATE.SUNET.SE. More info in the full text of this memo or
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	Title		: The Auto-Submitted, Supersedes and 
                          Expires E-mail Headers
	Author(s)	: J. Palme
	Filename	: draft-ietf-mailext-new-fields-09.txt
	Pages		: 7
	Date		: 21-Aug-97
	
This memo introduces three new e-mail (RFC 822) headers, 
Auto-Submitted, Supersedes, and Expires.

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	Title		: The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands and their Transport through Message Header Fields
	Author(s)	: J. Baer, G. Neufeld
	Filename	: draft-baer-listspec-01.txt
	Pages		: 12
	Date		: 1997-08-21
	
The mailing list command specification header fields are a simple set
   of fields to be added to email messages sent by email distribution
   lists. Each field contains a URL (usually mailto) locating the
   relevant information or performing the command directly.  The three
   core header fields described in this document are List-Help,
   List-Subscribe, and List-Unsubscribe.
 
   There are three other header fields described here which, although
   not as widely applicable, will have utility for a sufficient number
   of mailing lists to justify their formalization here. These are
   List-Post, List-Owner and List-Archive.
 
   By including these header fields, mail clients can provide automated
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	Title		: Mail and Netnews Header Registration Procedure
	Author(s)	: J. Palme
	Filename	: draft-ietf-drums-MHRegistry-01.txt
	Pages		: 9
	Date		: 21-Aug-97
	
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	Title		: Message Tracking MIB
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	Pages		: 32
	Date		: 21-Aug-97
	
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[Steve - please reflect onto the IETF-Announce list]

Hi -


As you may or may not know I've been tapped to head this years IAB/IESG 
nominating committee.  This is the second call for volunteers to participate 
as members of that committee.  If you would like to volunteer, please send me 
email (to stjohns@corp.home.net) with the phrase "NOMCOM VOLUNTEER" (yes - all 
caps) in your subject line indicating your desire to participate.  Please 
include your snail mail and phone numbers in the body of the message.  To be 
eligible to serve on the NOMCOM, you must have attended 2 of the last 3 IETFs.

Please make sure you can spend the time required to serve.  Although there 
won't be any face to face meetings except for the December IETF, you will have 
to spend about 2 hours a week on the phone during the 12 active weeks of the 
nominations process (starting around the December IETF) in teleconferences 
with the entire nominations committee.  You'll also be assigned various 
candidates to interview as part of the nominations process.  

Third and last call for volunteers will be next Wednesday, the 27th of August. 
 Cutoff for accepting volunteers will be as of 1600 PDT on the 29th of August 
- specifically, they have to be in my email box at that time. 

Once I've got the complete list of volunteers, I'll post it and also ask that 
the Secretariat verify eligibility.  The 10 members will be selected by lot 
based on the sales volume of 11 stocks as of the NASDAQ market close on 19 
September as reported in the San Jose Mercury News on 20 September 1997.

The procedure is as follows:

1) The Secretariat will provide the final list of eligibles listed in 
alphabetical order and numbered from 0 sequentially increasing and will mail 
this to the IETF and IETF-Announce list on or before the 17th of September.  

2) The sales volume figure for the NASDAQ most active stock on the 19th of 
Sept will be used to provide an initial offset into the list.  The 10,000s and 
1,000s digit from the volume figure will be used to generate a "random" number 
from 00 to 99 (e.g. if the sales figure is 345,009,234 shares, the number is 
09).  The actual offset into the list is calculated as  volnumber**5 mod the 
length of the list.  So if the volume number is 9, the length of the list is 
47, the offset would be 17.  

3) Each stock in turn will then be used to select a nomcom member from the 
list by using the same procedure of extracting the 10,000 and 1000 digits, 
raising them to the 5th power, adding that to the current position number and 
then taking that mod the length of the list.  So if the first of the listed 
stocks sales figure was 45,923,213 and the length of the list were 47 as 
above, then the volume number would be 23, and the final position on the list 
would be (17 + 23**5) mod 47 or 39.  The person with the number 39 
(remembering that the list is numbered from 0 this is actually the 40th 
person) would become the first member.

4) Step three is repeated continuing from the current position on the list 
until all 10 members are selected.

5) In the event that there is a duplicate selection,simply continue down the 
list sequentially until you find a person who has not been selected.  Continue 
the process from that position on the list.

6) If the most active stock is also one of the stocks I list for the 
selection, it will be used twice, once for the initial offset, and once for 
selecting a member.

7) The figures as reported in the SJMercury News are the official figures.  In 
the event of a disagreement between the numbers in the SJMercury and any other 
publication, the SJMercury figures will be considered correct.

8) If any stock is not listed in the 20 September 1997 edition of the paper, 
it will be replaced in order by one of the alternate stocks IN ITS PLACE - 
e.g. the other stocks on the list will retain their specific positions, rather 
than having the stock deleted and having the alternate stock added to the end 
of the list.

9) The list of stocks is as follows:

Member 1) Apple Computer (reported as AppleC)
	2) @Home Corporation (reported as AtHome)
	3) Cisco Systems (reported as Cisco)
	4) Cyber Cash 	(reported as CybrCsh)
	5) Excite	(reported as Excite)
	6) Intel	(reported as Intel)
	7) MCI	(reported as MCI)
	8) Microsoft (reported as Microsft)
	9) Netcom (reported as Netcom)
	10) Netscape 	(reported as Netscpe)

Alternate 1) Quantum 
	2) 3Com
	3) Yahoo






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> From: "Richard J. Sexton" <richard@vrx.net>
> At 07:14 PM 8/20/97 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> >I SUGGEST THEY ORGANIZE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
>
> With all due respect, Perry, you have a bit of a vested interest
> here, and if it's unanimous that no IETF'ers want to do anything
> I'll understand, but I wasn't aware your voice was authoratative for
> all of the IETF.
>
Sexton (I am neither presuming that you are male or female, and have no
need of an "honorific" in any case, since your balderdash is egregiously
without honor or respect):

The IETF "authority" for liaisons with other groups, known as the IAB,
with the advice and concurrance of active and interested IETF members
and several years of internal discussion, has already organized such a
group in the past.  It was called the IAHC.  It is finished.

Perry Metzger, an active and interested IETF participant, was appointed
(among others) to represent us in that effort.  We trust that he has
done so to the best of his ability.

There is no known reason why the IETF, IRTF, IANA, IAB, or ISoc, would
organize yet another group to scrutinize the results of its previous
efforts.  Once is enough.  Volunteer time is limited.

Moreover, the results of the IAHC have been ratified by the IETF
"authority" for liaisons with other groups through a Memorandum of
Understanding.

If some other group is organized, it is unlikely to be part of the
established IETF structure.  Unless coercive force is used, it is
unlikely to have any effect on IETF activities.

I _suggest_ they organize somewhere else.

As an active and interested IETF member, I _demand_ that you stop this
barrage of pointless and irritating messages that are outside the scope
of the IETF list.

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First, I would like to apologize for not having had the time to review
snego-06 until the time of the meeting in munich; unfortunately, since
the last IETF, my job has involved very little work related to GSSAPI
or other CAT-area standards.

I agree with substantially everything Marc has to say regarding
problems with '06.  (I don't agree completely about the precise
priority of all the technical issues, but agree that all of his issues
are legitimate).

Something appears to have been "lost in translation" from the changes
which Denis and I agreed on in Memphis and what was subsequently
published in -06.

Most importantly, the showstopper issue is that -06 adds an
unnecessary message to the exchange if the last message in the
underlying mechanism is in the initiator->acceptor direction.  while I
don't have my notes handy, if I recall correctly, the `mechListMic
OPTIONAL' field was present in both message types (or perhaps in all
messages save the first, with the 2nd and subsequent i->a messages
using NegTokenTarg to encapsulate the inner mechanism; I believe we
discussed both possibilities).

						- Bill
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TABLE OF CONTENTS

  INTERNET ARCHITECTURE BOARD

     IAB MESSAGE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page  3
     INTERNET ENGINEERING REPORTS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page  3

  Internet Projects

     INTERNIC. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 19
       Registration Services . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 19
       Directory Services. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 19
       US Domain Registry. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 20
     MERIT INTERNET ENGINEERING. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 23
     UCL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 25
     IANA REPORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 25
     RFC EDITOR REPORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 26
     200z
  CALENDAR OF EVENTS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 27
    TERENA List of Meetings. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 31
    SOFTBANK Forums. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 31






























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INTERNET ARCHITECTURE BOARD

     The minutes of the IAB back to 1990 are available for anonymous ftp
     access on host ftp.isi.edu, directory /pub/IAB, or via the IAB
     World-Wide Web page with URL http://www.iab.org/iab/.

     Brian Carpenter IAB Chair

INTERNET ENGINEERING REPORTS
----------------------------


                 Internet Monthly Report for July, 1997


  1. As I write this, we are about to leave for the IETF Meeting in
     Munich, Germany. Our hosts for this meeting Digi/ISOC.DE. The
     final meeting of the year will be held in Washington, DC from
     December 8-12, 1997. Our local host is Newbridge Networks. The
     IETF will meet in Los Angeles from March 30 - April, 3, 1998 and
     then in Chicago August 24-28. We're still looking into the final
     meeting of 1998.

     Once all arrangements have been made, notifications will be sent
     to the IETF Announcement list. Remember that information on
     future meetng sites can always be found in the file
     0mtg-sites.txt, located on the IETF shadow directories. Of
     course, this information is provided on the Web. The IETF's URL
     is:

                          http://www.ietf.org/

  2. The minutes of the IESG teleconferences be found on all the IETF
     shadow directories in the iesg directory.

     The following IESG minutes have been added:

       June 5, 1997 (iesg.97-06-05)
       July 10, 1997 (iesg-97-07-10)

  3. The IESG approved or recommended the following 13 Protocol
     Actions during the month of July, 1997:

     o Selection and Operation of Secondary DNS Servers for
       publication as a Best Current Practices RFC.





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     o SMTP Service Extension for Command Pipelining for publication
       as a Draft Standard.

     o Routing Aspects Of IPv6 Transition for publication as an
       Informational RFC.

     o VENUS - Very Extensive Non-Unicast Service for publication as
       an Informational RFC.

     o Review of Roaming Implementations for publication as an
       Informational RFC.

     o Application of Internet Cache Protocol (ICP), version 2 for
       publication as an Informational RFC.

     o The "data" URL scheme for publication as a Proposed Standard.

     o Clarifications to the DNS Specification for publication as a
       Proposed Standard.

     o IMAP URL Scheme for publication as a Proposed Standard.

     o MIME Parameter Value and Encoded Word Extensions: Character
       Sets, Languages, and Continuations for publication as a
       Proposed Standard.

     o Communicating Presentation Information in Internet Messages:
       The Content-Disposition Header Field for publication as a
       Proposed Standard.

     o IMAP4 Mailbox Referrals for publication as a Proposed Standard.

     o IMAP4 Multi-Accessed Mailbox Practice (None)


  4. Four Last Calls were issued by the IESG during the month of July,
     1997:

     o Simple Authentication and Security Layer (SASL)
       <draft-myers-auth-sasl-11> for consideration as a Proposed
       Standard.

     o Definitions of Managed Objects for IEEE 802.3 Medium Attachment
       Units (MAUs) using SMIv2 <draft-ietf-hubmib-mau-mib-04> for
       consideration as a Proposed Standard.






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     o Simple Hit-Metering and Usage-Limiting for HTTP
       <draft-ietf-http-hit-metering-03> for consideration as a
       Proposed Standard.

     o Compressing IP/UDP/RTP Headers for Low-Speed Serial Links
       <draft-ietf-avt-crtp-03> for consideration as a Proposed
       Standard.


  5. Six new working groups were created

       TCP Over Satellite (tcpsat)
       IP Payload Compression Protocol (ippcp)
       Transaction Internet Protocol (tip)
       IP Over IEEE 1394 (ip1394)
       PSTN and Internet Internetworking (pint)
       Uniform Resource Locator Registration Procedures (urlreg)


  6. There were 284 Internet-Draft Actions during the month of July,
     1997:

     (idmr)     o Internet Group Management Protocol MIB
                  <draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-mib-05.txt>
     (idmr)     o Core Based Trees (CBT version 2) Multicast Routing
                  -- Protocol Specification --
                  <draft-ietf-idmr-cbt-spec-10.txt>
     (none)     o Photuris: Session Key Management Protocol
                  <draft-simpson-photuris-15.txt>
     (none)     o The Auto-Submitted, Supersedes and Expires E-mail
                  Headers <draft-ietf-mailext-new-fields-08.txt>
     (ion)      o NHRP Protocol Applicability Statement
                  <draft-ietf-ion-nhrp-appl-02.txt>
     (ipsec)    o Internet Security Association and Key Management
                  Protocol (ISAKMP)
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-isakmp-08.txt,.ps>
     (intserv)  o Specification of Guaranteed Quality of Service
                  <draft-ietf-intserv-guaranteed-svc-08.txt>
     (none)     o Loop control for the Auto-Submitted e-mail header
                  <draft-palme-autosub-03.txt>
     (rsvp)     o RSVP Cryptographic Authentication
                  <draft-ietf-rsvp-md5-04.txt>
     (ion)      o IP Broadcast over ATM Networks
                  <draft-ietf-ion-bcast-04.txt>
     (cat)      o The Simple and Protected GSS-API Negotiation
                  Mechanism <draft-ietf-cat-snego-06.txt>
     (ssh)      o Site Security Handbook
                  <draft-ietf-ssh-handbook-05.txt>



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     (asid)     o A MIME Content-Type for Directory Information
                  <draft-ietf-asid-mime-direct-04.txt>
     (grip)     o Expectations for Security Incident Response
                  <draft-ietf-grip-framework-irt-06.txt>
     (receipt)  o An Extensible Message Format for Message
                  Disposition Notifications
                  <draft-ietf-receipt-mdn-05.txt>
     (intserv)  o General Characterization Parameters for Integrated
                  Service Network Elements
                  <draft-ietf-intserv-charac-03.txt>
     (rsvp)     o RSVP Management Information Base
                  <draft-ietf-rsvp-mib-09.txt>
     (intserv)  o Integrated Services Management Information Base
                  <draft-ietf-intserv-mib-09.txt>
     (ion)      o Definitions of Managed Objects for Classical IP and
                  ARP Over ATM Using SMIv2
                  <draft-ietf-ion-mib-04.txt>
     (http)     o PEP - an Extension Mechanism for HTTP
                  <draft-ietf-http-pep-04.txt, .ps>
     (dhc)      o An Extension to the DHCP Option Codes
                  <draft-ietf-dhc-options-opt127-03.txt>
     (dhc)      o An option for FQDNs in DHCP options
                  <draft-ietf-dhc-fqdn-opt-03.txt>
     (ipsec)    o The OAKLEY Key Determination Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-oakley-02.txt>
     (dnsind)   o Selection and Operation of Secondary DNS Servers
                  <draft-ietf-dnsind-2ndry-06.txt>
     (http)     o Transparent Content Negotiation in HTTP
                  <draft-ietf-http-negotiation-03.txt>
     (pppext)   o PPP LCP Extensions
                  <draft-ietf-pppext-lcpext-ds-02.txt>
     (asid)     o Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (v3):
                  Attribute Syntax Definitions
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-attributes-06.txt>
     (asid)     o Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (v3)
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-protocol-06.txt>
     (drums)    o Augmented BNF for Syntax Specifications: ABNF
                  <draft-ietf-drums-abnf-03.txt>
     (atommib)  o Definitions of Managed Objects for the SONET/SDH
                  Interface Type <draft-ietf-atommib-sonetng-02.txt>
     (none)     o Photuris: Extended Schemes and Attributes
                  <draft-simpson-photuris-schemes-03.txt>
     (none)     o IANA Charset Registration Procedures
                  <draft-freed-charset-reg-02.txt>
     (ion)      o Transient Neighbors for IPv6 over ATM
                  <draft-ietf-ion-tn-01.txt>
     (none)     o TFTP Blocksize Option
                  <draft-malkin-tftpexts-blksize-opt-01.txt>



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     (mhtml)    o Sending HTML in E-mail, an informational supplement
                  to RFC ???: MIME E-mail Encapsulation of Aggregate
                  HTML Documents (MHTML)
                  <draft-ietf-mhtml-info-06.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP Triple DES Transform
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-des3-00.txt>
     (none)     o Using the MARS model in non-ATM NBMA networks.
                  <draft-armitage-ion-mars-nbma-02.txt>
     (ipsec)    o IP Authentication Header
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-auth-header-01.txt>
     (issll)    o Providing integrated services over low-bitrate
                  links <draft-ietf-issll-isslow-02.txt>
     (pppext)   o Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol--PPTP
                  <draft-ietf-pppext-pptp-02.txt>
     (ipsec)    o The resolution of ISAKMP with Oakley
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-isakmp-oakley-04.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o IPv6 Router Alert Option
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-ipv6router-alert-03.txt>
     (roamops)  o Dialup Roaming Requirements
                  <draft-ietf-roamops-roamreq-05.txt>
     (none)     o Redundant MARS architectures and SCSP
                  <draft-armitage-ion-mars-scsp-03.txt>
     (none)     o SMTP Service Extension for Command Pipelining
                  <draft-freed-smtp-pipeline-02.txt>
     (none)     o SBM (Subnet Bandwidth Manager): A Proposal for
                  Admission Control over IEEE 802-style networks
                  <draft-ietf-issll-is802-sbm-04.txt>
     (none)     o Internet Calendar Access Protocol (ICAP)
                  <draft-oleary-icap-02.txt>
     (ediint)   o Requirements for Inter-operable Internet EDI
                  <draft-ietf-ediint-req-03.txt>
     (intserv)  o The Use of RSVP with IETF Integrated Services
                  <draft-ietf-intserv-rsvp-use-02.txt>
     (bmwg)     o Benchmarking Terminology for LAN Switching Devices
                  <draft-ietf-bmwg-lanswitch-05.txt>
     (none)     o Domain Names and Company Name Retrieval
                  <draft-klensin-tld-whois-02.txt>
     (issll)    o The Multi-Class Extension to Multi-Link PPP
                  <draft-ietf-issll-isslow-mcml-02.txt>
     (none)     o The TACACS+ Protocol Version 1.77
                  <draft-grant-tacacs-01.txt>
     (none)     o Network Ingress Filtering: Defeating IP Source
                  Address Spoofing Denial of Service Attacks
                  <draft-ferguson-ingress-filtering-02.txt>
     (none)     o A Method for the Transmission of IPv6 Packets over
                  ARCnet Networks.
                  <draft-souvatzis-ipv6-arcnet-02.txt>
     (none)     o IMAP URL Scheme <draft-newman-url-imap-10.txt>



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     (ipngwg)   o IPv6 Multicast Address Assignments
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-multicast-assgn-04.txt>
     (none)     o Advanced Sockets API for IPv6
                  <draft-stevens-advanced-api-04.txt>
     (ediint)   o MIME-based Secure EDI
                  <draft-ietf-ediint-as1-04.txt>
     (none)     o NNTP LIST Additions
                  <draft-hernacki-nntplist-02.txt>
     (rmonmib)  o Remote Network Monitoring MIB Extensions for Switch
                  Networks Version 1.0
                  <draft-ietf-rmonmib-smon-01.txt>
     (none)     o Wrapping MIME Objects: Application/MIME
                  <draft-crocker-wrap-02.txt>
     (http)     o Simple Hit-Metering and Usage-Limiting for HTTP
                  <draft-ietf-http-hit-metering-03.txt>
     (frnetmib) o Management Information Base for Frame Relay Data
                  Compression <draft-ietf-frnetmib-dcp-02.txt>
     (http)     o Feature Tag Registration Procedures
                  <draft-ietf-http-feature-reg-02.txt>
     (none)     o Universal Format for Logger Messages
                  <draft-abela-ulm-02.txt>
     (tls)      o Addition of Kerberos Cipher Suites to Transport
                  Layer Security (TLS)
                  <draft-ietf-tls-kerb-cipher-suites-01.txt>
     (roamops)  o The Network Access Identifier
                  <draft-ietf-roamops-nai-06.txt>
     (none)     o DHCP Options for Novell Directory Services
                  <draft-provan-dhcp-options-dir-serv-01.txt>
     (none)     o PF_KEY Key Management API, Version 2
                  <draft-mcdonald-pf-key-v2-03.txt>
     (radius)   o Implementation of PPTP/L2TP Compulsory Tunneling
                  via RADIUS <draft-ietf-radius-tunnel-imp-03.txt>
     (lsma)     o Scenarios and Appropriate Protocols for Distributed
                  Interactive Simulation
                  <draft-ietf-lsma-scenarios-01.txt>
     (ssh)      o Users' Security Handbook
                  <draft-ietf-ssh-users-01.txt>
     (dhc)      o DHCP Option for IEEE 1003.1 POSIX Timezone
                  Specifications <draft-ietf-dhc-timezone-03.txt>
     (urn)      o Guidelines and a Framework for URN Resolution
                  Systems <draft-ietf-urn-req-frame-03.txt>
     (none)     o Representing the Dublin Core within X.500, LDAP and
                  CLDAP <draft-hamilton-dcxl-02.txt>
     (rtfm)     o RTFM Working Group - New Attributes for Traffic
                  Flow Measurement
                  <draft-ietf-rtfm-new-traffic-flow-02.txt>
     (rmonmib)  o Remote Network Monitoring MIB Protocol Identifiers
                  <draft-ietf-rmonmib-rmonprot-v2-01.txt>



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     (vrrp)     o Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-vrrp-spec-01.txt>
     (asid)     o The LDAP Data Interchange Format (LDIF) - Technical
                  Specification <draft-ietf-asid-ldif-02.txt>
     (printmib) o Printer MIB <draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-02.txt>
     (find)     o A Tagged Index Object for use in the Common
                  Indexing Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-find-cip-tagged-02.txt>
     (avt)      o Compressing IP/UDP/RTP Headers for Low-Speed Serial
                  Links <draft-ietf-avt-crtp-03.txt>
     (asid)     o Definition of an Object Class to Hold LDAP Change
                  Records <draft-ietf-asid-changelog-01.txt>
     (none)     o Internationalization of Domain Names
                  <draft-duerst-dns-i18n-01.txt>
     (none)     o Flow Grouping For Reducing Reservation Requirements
                  for Guaranteed Delay Service
                  <draft-rampal-flow-delay-service-01.txt>
     (none)     o Telnet Com Port Control Option
                  <draft-clark-telnet-control-05.txt>
     (harts)    o Humanities and Arts: Sharing Center Stage on the
                  Internet <draft-ietf-harts-guide-03.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o IP Version 6 over PPP
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-ipv6-over-ppp-02.txt>
     (none)     o Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4
                  <draft-bates-bgp4-multiprotocol-03.txt>
     (dnsind)   o Negative Caching of DNS Queries (DNS NCACHE)
                  <draft-ietf-dnsind-ncache-04.txt>
     (none)     o Content Duration MIME Header Definition
                  <draft-ema-vpim-dur-01.txt>
     (none)     o Toll Quality Voice - 32 kbit/s ADPCM MIME Sub-type
                  Registration <draft-ema-vpim-32kadpcm-01.txt>
     (none)     o VPIM Voice Message MIME Sub-type Registration
                  <draft-ema-vpim-vmsg-01.txt>
     (none)     o Survey of Defined Managed Objects for Applications
                  Management <draft-hazewinkel-appl-mib-01.txt>
     (mixer)    o Using the Internet DNS to Distribute MIXER
                  Conformant Global Address Mapping (MCGAM)
                  <draft-ietf-mixer-rfc1664bis-01.txt>
     (idr)      o A Framework for Inter-Domain Route Aggregation
                  <draft-ietf-idr-aggregation-framework-01.txt>
     (http)     o HTTP Remote Variant Selection Algorithm -- RVSA/1.0
                  <draft-ietf-http-rvsa-v10-02.txt>
     (pppext)   o Mobile-IPv4 Configuration Option for PPP IPCP
                  <draft-ietf-pppext-ipcp-mip-02.txt>
     (none)     o Communicating Presentation Information in Internet
                  Messages: The Content-Disposition Header Field
                  <draft-moore-mime-cdisp-01.txt>




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     (mixer)    o Use of an X.500/LDAP directory to support MIXER
                  address mapping <draft-ietf-mixer-directory-02.txt>
     (webdav)   o Requirements for Distributed Authoring and
                  Versioning on the World Wide Web
                  <draft-ietf-webdav-requirements-01.txt>
     (rmonmib)  o Remote Network Monitoring Management Information
                  Base for High Capacity Networks
                  <draft-ietf-rmonmib-hcrmon-01.txt>
     (rtfm)     o Traffic Flow Measurement: Meter MIB
                  <draft-ietf-rtfm-meter-mib-01.txt>
     (none)     o Scalable support for multi-homed multi-provider
                  connectivity <draft-bates-multihoming-01.txt>
     (spki)     o Simple Public Key Certificate
                  <draft-ietf-spki-cert-structure-02.txt>
     (run)      o DON'T SPEW A Set of Guidelines for Mass Unsolicited
                  Mailings and Postings (Spam*)
                  <draft-ietf-run-spew-01.txt>
     (fax)      o File Format for Internet Fax
                  <draft-ietf-fax-tiffplus-01.txt>
     (http)     + Problem with HTTP/1.1 Warning header, and proposed
                  fix <draft-ietf-http-warning-00.txt>
     (radius)   o RADIUS Server MIB
                  <draft-ietf-radius-servmib-04.txt>
     (asid)     o LDAP Multi-master Replication Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldap-mult-mast-rep-01.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o Transmission of IPv6 Packets over FDDI Networks
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-trans-fddi-net-02.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o Transmission of IPv6 Packets over Ethernet Networks
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-trans-ethernet-02.txt>
     (radius)   o RADIUS Client MIB
                  <draft-ietf-radius-clientmib-04.txt>
     (none)     o RSVP over ATM Implementation Guidelines
                  <draft-ietf-issll-atm-imp-guide-01.txt, .ps>
     (qosr)     o A Framework for QoS-based Routing in the Internet
                  <draft-ietf-qosr-framework-01.txt>
     (none)     o S/MIME Message Specification
                  <draft-dusse-smime-msg-02.txt>
     (secsh)    o Connect <draft-ietf-secsh-connect-01.txt>
     (roamops)  o Guidelines for the Secure Operation of RADIUS
                  Proxies in Roaming <draft-ietf-roamops-auth-02.txt>
     (tcpimpl)  o Known TCP Implementation Problems
                  <draft-ietf-tcpimpl-prob-01.txt>
     (issll)    o PPP in a real-time oriented HDLC-like framing
                  <draft-ietf-issll-isslow-rtf-01.txt>
     (pkix)     o Internet Public Key Infrastructure Part IV:
                  Certificate Policy and Certification Practices
                  Framework <draft-ietf-pkix-ipki-part4-01.txt>




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     (pppext)   o PPP over AAL5 and FUNI
                  <draft-ietf-pppext-aal5-01.txt>
     (secsh)    o SSH Transport Layer Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-secsh-transport-01.txt>
     (secsh)    o SSH Authentication Protocol
                  <draft-ietf-secsh-userauth-01.txt>
     (aft)      o SOCKS Protocol Version 5
                  <draft-ietf-aft-socks-pro-v5-01.txt>
     (none)     o Directory Entries From Email Address
                  <draft-greenblatt-defema-02.txt>
     (asid)     o A Summary of the X.500(96) User Schema for use with
                  LDAPv3 <draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3schema-x500-01.txt>
     (avt)      o RTP Profile for Audio and Video Conferences with
                  Minimal Control
                  <draft-ietf-avt-profile-new-01.txt,.ps>
     (pppext)   o PPP LCP CallBack
                  <draft-ietf-pppext-callback-ds-01.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o Router Renumbering for IPv6
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-router-renum-01.txt>
     (rsvp)     o Resource ReSerVation Protocol (RSVP) Version 1
                  Applicability Statement Some Guidelines on
                  Deployment <draft-ietf-rsvp-intsrv-analysis-01.txt>
     (asid)     o An Approach for Using LDAP as a Network Information
                  Service <draft-ietf-asid-nis-schema-02.txt>
     (find)     o Hierarchical Extensions to the Common Indexing
                  Protocol <draft-ietf-find-cip-hierarchy-01.txt>
     (none)     o HTTP based Geo-temporal Searching (HGS).
                  <draft-vangulik-http-search-01.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP RC5-CBC Algorithm
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-rc5-cbc-00.txt>
     (none)     o Application of Internet Cache Protocol (ICP),
                  version 2 <draft-wessels-icp-v2-appl-02.txt>
     (snmpv3)   o An Architecture for Describing Internet Management
                  Frameworks <draft-ietf-snmpv3-next-gen-arch-04.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP CAST128-CBC Algorithm
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-cast128-cbc-00.txt>
     (urn)      o A URN Namespace for IETF Documents
                  <draft-ietf-urn-ietf-02.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o An IPv6 Aggregatable Global Unicast Address Format
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-unicast-aggr-02.txt>
     (none)     o IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v2-02.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP DES-CBC Transform
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-des-derived-00.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o IPv6 Testing Address Allocation
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-testv2-addralloc-01.txt>
     (none)     o Plaintext Password SASL Mechanism and Transition
                  Codes <draft-newman-sasl-plaintrans-03.txt>



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     (none)     o The IP Network Address Translator (NAT)
                  <draft-rfced-info-srisuresh-02.txt>
     (ftpext)   o Feature negotiation mechanism for the File Transfer
                  Protocol <draft-ietf-ftpext-feat-01.txt>
     (none)     o Firewall Traversal authorization system
                  <draft-richardson-ipsec-traversal-01.txt>
     (pppext)   o Layer Two Tunneling Protocol "L2TP" Security
                  Extensions for Non-IPSEC networks
                  <draft-ietf-pppext-l2tp-sec-01.txt>
     (http)     o Scenarios for the Delivery of Negotiated Content
                  using HTTP
                  <draft-ietf-http-negotiate-scenario-01.txt>
     (snmpv3)   o View-based Access Control Model for the Simple
                  Network Management Protocol (SNMP)
                  <draft-ietf-snmpv3-acm-02.txt>
     (none)     o Application Protocol Design Principles
                  <draft-newman-protocol-design-01.txt>
     (ipp)      o Internet Printing Protocol/1.0: Security
                  <draft-ietf-ipp-security-01.txt>
     (none)     + PPP/IPCP Extension for Word Alignment of IP
                  Datagrams <draft-rfced-info-martin-00.txt>
     (radius)   + RADIUS Accounting Interim Accounting Record
                  Extension <draft-ietf-radius-acct-interim-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    o IP Security Document Roadmap
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-doc-roadmap-01.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The Use of HMAC-SHA-1-96 within ESP and AH
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-auth-hmac-sha196-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The Use of HMAC-MD5-96 within ESP and AH
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-auth-hmac-md5-96-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP DES-CBC Cipher Algorithm With Explicit IV
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-des-expiv-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    + ESP with Cipher Block Chaining (CBC)
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-cbc-00.txt>
     (none)     + Analysis of Services and Interfaces used when
                  Interworking Between the Internet and the
                  Intelligent Network (I.N.)
                  <draft-conroy-interfaces-in-net-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP ARCFOUR Algorithm
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-arcfour-00.txt>
     (asid)     + Lightweight Directory Access Protocol: Dynamic
                  Attributes <draft-ietf-asid-ldap-dynatt-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP DES-XEX3-CBC Transform
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-desx-00.txt>
     (mhtml)    + MIME E-mail Encapsulation of Aggregate Documents,
                  such as HTML (MHTML) <draft-ietf-mhtml-rev-00.txt>
     (none)     + Transaction Internet Protocol - Requirements
                  <draft-evans-tip-functions-00.txt>




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     (none)     + Advise on the implementation of In-Reply-To,
                  References and Supersedes e-mail and netnews
                  headers <draft-palme-newfields-info-00.txt>
     (http)     o Feature Tag Scenarios
                  <draft-ietf-http-feature-scenarios-01.txt>
     (none)     + Telnet Remote Serial Port (RSP) Option
                  <draft-barnes-telnet-rsp-opt-00.txt>
     (ipcdn)    + Cable Modem Management Information Base for MCNS
                  compliant Cable Modems
                  <draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-modem-mib-00.txt>
     (ipcdn)    + Radio Frequency (RF) Interface Management
                  Information Base for MCNS compliant RF interfaces
                  <draft-ietf-ipcdn-rf-interface-mib-00.txt>
     (asid)     + The vCard Schema For Use In LDAPv3
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3schema-vcard-00.txt>
     (none)     + Cache Array Routing Protocol v1.0
                  <draft-vinod-carp-v1-00.txt>
     (none)     o Key Exchange Delegation Record for the DNS
                  <draft-rfced-info-atkinson-01.txt>
     (none)     + The Compressed Payload Header
                  <draft-thomas-ippcp-compression-00.txt>
     (none)     + Internet Technology for Integration of Carrier
                  Network Management (TMN) and Enterprise Network
                  Management <draft-bogler-tmn-internet-00.txt>
     (none)     + Key Management for Multicast: Issues and
                  Architectures <draft-wallner-key-arch-00.txt>
     (issll)    + RSVP over ATM Implementation Requirements
                  <draft-ietf-issll-atm-imp-req-00.txt, .ps>
     (none)     o ODETTE File Transfer Protocol
                  <draft-rfced-info-nash-01.txt>
     (none)     + IPSOFACTO: IP Switching Over Fast ATM Cell
                  Transport <draft-acharya-ipsw-fast-cell-00.txt>
     (none)     + The Site Installation Handbook
                  <draft-rfced-info-walker-00.txt>
     (none)     o A Dictionary Server Protocol
                  <draft-rfced-info-faith-01.txt>
     (fax)      + Capabilities Exchange and Immediate Delivery over
                  ESMTP <draft-ietf-fax-transport-00.txt>
     (cat)      + The Kerberos Network Authentication Service (V5)
                  <draft-ietf-cat-kerberos-revisions-00.txt>
     (none)     + HTTP/1.1 Message Digest Attribute Request
                  <draft-lawrence-digest-request-00.txt>
     (pppext)   + The PPP DES Encryption Protocol, Version 2
                  (DESE-bis)
                  <draft-ietf-pppext-des-encrypt-v2-00.txt>
     (ipp)      o Mapping between LPD and IPP Protocols
                  <draft-ietf-ipp-lpd-ipp-map-01.txt>




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     (none)     + IP Multicast over ATM MLIS using ATM Multicast
                  Routers <draft-ishikawa-ion-mcatm-mlis-00.txt>
     (none)     + IP Multicast Routing over ATM
                  <draft-ishikawa-ion-mcatm-routing-00.txt>
     (snmpv3)   o User-based Security Model (USM) for version 3 of
                  the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMPv3)
                  <draft-ietf-snmpv3-usm-01.txt>
     (tcpimpl)  + Some Testing Tools for TCP Implementors
                  <draft-ietf-tcpimpl-tools-00.txt>
     (none)     + Open Software Distribution Methods
                  <draft-meier-instructions-00.txt>
     (ipp)      + Internet Printing Protocol/1.0: Protocol
                  Specification <draft-ietf-ipp-protocol-00.txt>
     (none)     + Path MTU discovery in the presence of security
                  gateways
                  <draft-richardson-ipsec-pmtu-discov-00.txt>
     (none)     + Why traceroute can not work through IPsec gateways
                  <draft-richardson-ipsec-icmp-filter-00.txt>
     (ipngwg)   + TLA and NLA Assignment Rules
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-tla-assignment-00.txt>
     (none)     + NNTP Generic Data Extensions
                  <draft-hernacki-nntpget-00.txt>
     (ippcp)    + IP Payload Compression Protocol (IPComp)
                  <draft-ietf-ippcp-protocol-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP Blowfish-CBC Algorithm Using an Explicit IV
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-blowfish-cbc-00.txt>
     (none)     + Capabilities Negotiation with BGP-4
                  <draft-chandra-bgp4-cap-neg-00.txt>
     (none)     + LDAP Object Class for Application Users
                  <draft-greenblatt-ldap-applusers-00.txt>
     (pppext)   + The PPP Triple-DES Encryption Protocol (3DESE)
                  <draft-ietf-pppext-3des-encrypt-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP 3DES-CBC Algorithm Using an Explicit IV
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-3des-expiv-00.txt>
     (idmr)     + Core Based Trees (CBT) Multicast Routing MIB
                  <draft-ietf-idmr-cbt-mib-00.txt>
     (cat)      + FTP Authentication Using DSA
                  <draft-ietf-cat-ftpdsaauth-00.txt>
     (cat)      + Encryption using KEA and SKIPJACK
                  <draft-ietf-cat-ftpkeasj-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP IDEA-CBC Algorithm Using Explicit IV
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-idea-cbc-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    + IP Encapsulating Security Payload (ESP)
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-esp-v2-00.txt>
     (none)     + ILMI-Based Server Discovery for ATMARP
                  <draft-davison-ilmi-discov-atmarp-00.txt>
     (none)     + ILMI-Based Server Discovery for MARS
                  <draft-davison-ilmi-discov-mars-00.txt>



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     (calsch)   + iCalendar Transport-Independent Interoperability
                  Protocol (iTIP) Part One: Scheduling Events and
                  BusyTime <draft-ietf-calsch-itip-part1-00.txt>
     (calsch)   + iCalendar Transport-Independent Interoperability
                  Protocol (iTIP) Part Two: Scheduling To-Dos
                  <draft-ietf-calsch-itip-part2-00.txt>
     (calsch)   + iCalendar Transport-Independent Interoperability
                  Protocol (iTIP) Part Three - Scheduling Journal
                  Entries <draft-ietf-calsch-itip-part3-00.txt>
     (none)     + Dynamic Tunneling Path Configuration for
                  Uni-directional Link Routing
                  <draft-izumiyama-udlr-dtpc-00.txt>
     (none)     + An IP tunneling approach for Uni-directional Link
                  routing <draft-izumiyama-udlr-tunnel-00.txt>
     (none)     + Guidelines for Next Hop Client (NHC) developers
                  <draft-carlson-nhrp-00.txt>
     (avt)      + RTP Payload Format for QuickTime Media Streams
                  <draft-ietf-avt-qt-rtp-00.txt>
     (aft)      + Feature Discovery: A Generic Extension Mechanism
                  for SOCKS Version 5
                  <draft-ietf-aft-socks-ext-00.txt>
     (dhc)      + Netware/IP Domain Name and Information
                  <draft-ietf-dhc-netware-options-00.txt>
     (none)     + IMSS: IP Multicast Shortcut Service
                  <draft-anker-congress-00.txt>
     (issll)    + A Framework for Integrated Services and RSVP over
                  ATM <draft-ietf-issll-atm-framework-00.txt>
     (acap)     + ACAP Authorization Identifier Datasets
                  <draft-ietf-acap-authid-00.txt>
     (dnssec)   + Domain Name System Security Extensions
                  <draft-ietf-dnssec-secext2-00.txt>
     (none)     + SOCKS V5 UDP and Multicast Extensions
                  <draft-chouinard-aft-socksv5-mult-00.txt>
     (none)     + ESP with Cipher Block CheckSums (CBCS)
                  <draft-simpson-ipsec-cbcs-00.txt>
     (asid)     + LDAP Replication Requirements
                  <draft-ietf-asid-replica-req-00.txt>
     (asid)     + The Java LDAP Application Program Interface
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldap-java-api-00.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o IPv6 Name Lookups Through ICMP
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-icmp-namelookups-01.txt>
     (mhtml)    + Content-ID and Message-ID Uniform Resource Locators
                  <draft-ietf-mhtml-cid-v2-00.txt>
     (svrloc)   + Wide Area Network Service Location
                  <draft-ietf-svrloc-wasrv-00.txt>
     (none)     + Proposal for SPKI Certificate Formats and Semantics
                  <draft-ylonen-spki-binary-00.txt>




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     (none)     + Synchronous IP Switching Protocol
                  <draft-jeya-sync-ip-switch-00.txt>
     (ion)      + A Distributed MARS Service Using SCSP
                  <draft-ietf-ion-scsp-mars-00.txt>
     (ion)      + Intra-area IP unicast among routers over legacy ATM
                  <draft-ietf-ion-intra-area-unicast-00.txt>
     (none)     + Guidelines for Writing RFC Text on Security
                  Considerations
                  <draft-iab-secwks-sec-guidelines-00.txt>
     (none)     + Directory Schema Listing Requirements
                  <draft-apple-schema-rqmts-list-00.txt>
     (asid)     + Schema for Replication Information
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldap-repl-info-00.txt>
     (none)     + Information Exchange to Be Supported by the Service
                  Support Transfer Protocol (SSTP)
                  <draft-krishna-telephone-sw-net-00.txt>
     (ip1394)   o IP over IEEE 1394 (High Performance Serial Bus)
                  Revision 1a <draft-ietf-ip1394-high-perform-02.txt>
     (pppext)   o PPP Over FUNI <draft-ietf-pppext-funi-01.txt>
     (rsvp)     + Protocol for Exchange of PoliCy Information (PEPCI)
                  <draft-ietf-rsvp-pepci-00.txt>
     (none)     + Internet Email Subaddressing
                  <draft-newman-email-subaddr-00.txt>
     (ipcdn)    + IP Over Cable Data Networks - Terms of Reference
                  <draft-ietf-ipcdn-tor-00.txt>
     (acap)     + ACAP Personal Addressbook Dataset Class
                  <draft-ietf-acap-abook-00.txt>
     (pppext)   + PPP LCP Self Describing Padding
                  <draft-ietf-pppext-padding-ds-00.txt>
     (ipngwg)   o Neighbor Discovery for IP Version 6 (IPv6)
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-discovery-v2-02.txt>
     (ipngwg)   + IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-addrconf-v2-00.txt>
     (ipngwg)   + Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-ipv6-spec-v2-00.txt>
     (lsma)     + Taxonomy of Communication Requirements for
                  Large-scale Multicast Applications
                  <draft-ietf-lsma-requirements-00.txt>
     (asid)     + LDAP API Extensions for Sort and Simple Paged
                  Results <draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-api-ext-00.txt>
     (idr)      + Using a Dedicated AS for Sites Homed to a Single
                  Provider <draft-ietf-idr-as-dedicated-00.txt>
     (none)     + End-to-End Traffic Management Issues in IP/ATM
                  Internetworks <draft-jagan-e2e-traf-mgmt-00.txt>
     (ipngwg)   + Site prefixes in Neighbor Discovery
                  <draft-ietf-ipngwg-site-prefixes-00.txt>
     (pkix)     + Internet Public Key Infrastructure
                  <draft-ietf-pkix-ipki6np-00.txt>



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     (pkix)     + Internet Public Key Infrastructure Part V: Time
                  Stamp Protocols <draft-pkix-ipki5tsp-00.txt>
     (none)     + RTP Payload Format for BT.656-3 Encoding
                  <draft-tynan-rtp-bt656-00.txt>
     (ngtrans)  + Site prefixes in Neighbor Discovery
                  <draft-ietf-ngtrans-header-trans-00.txt>
     (asid)     + Referral Whois Protocol (RWhois) 2.0
                  <draft-ietf-asid-rwhois-00.txt>
     (none)     o A Stream Cipher Encryption Algorithm 'Arcfour'
                  <draft-kaukonen-cipher-arcfour-01.txt>
     (none)     + IPv6 Inverse Neighbor Discovery for IPv6 and IPv4
                  Tunnels <draft-conta-ipv6-inv-nd-tun-00.txt>
     (http)     + An Extension to HTTP : Digest Access Authentication
                  <draft-ietf-http-digest-aa-rev-00.txt>
     (none)     + DHCP Server Verification by Client Via DNSSEC
                  <draft-watson-dhc-serv-verify-00.txt>
     (none)     + Transmission of IPv6 Packets over Frame Relay
                  <draft-conta-ipv6-trans-fr-00.txt>
     (none)     + Conversion of MIMEDIR content into XML
                  <draft-hopmann-mimedirxml-00.txt>
     (issll)    + Integrated Service Mappings on IEEE 802 Networks
                  <draft-ietf-issll-is802-svc-mapping-00.txt>
     (ippcp)    + IP Payload Compression Protocol Architecture
                  <draft-ietf-ippcp-arch-00.txt>
     (none)     + Error Record (ERR) for DNS
                  <draft-watson-dns-error-00.txt>
     (dhc)      + Subnet Selection Option for DHCP
                  <draft-ietf-dhc-subsel-00.txt>
     (none)     + Scalability Issues in Label Switching over ATM
                  <draft-wang-mpls-scaling-atm-00.txt>
     (idr)      + Route Aggregation Tutorial
                  <draft-ietf-idr-aggregation-tutorial-00.txt>
     (none)     + ACK Spacing for High Delay-Bandwidth Paths with
                  Insufficient Buffering
                  <draft-partridge-e2e-ackspacing-00.txt>
     (acap)     o ACAP personal options dataset class
                  <draft-ietf-acap-options-01.txt>
     (none)     + HTTP X-Connfrom header
                  <draft-harada-http-xconnfrom-00.txt>
     (ipsec)    + The ESP CAST5-128-CBC Transform
                  <draft-ietf-ipsec-ciph-cast-div-00.txt>
     (none)     + Handling Internationalized Query Components in URLs
                  <draft-duerst-query-i18n-00.txt>
     (none)     + Normalization of Internationalized Identifiers
                  <draft-duerst-i18n-norm-00.txt>
     (dhc)      + Securing DHCP <draft-ietf-dhc-securing-dhc-00.txt>





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     (tn3270e)  + Definitions of Managed Objects for TN3270E Response
                  Time Collection Using SMIv2
                  <draft-ietf-tn3270e-rt-mib-00.txt>
     (asid)     + The C LDAP Application Program Interface
                  <draft-ietf-asid-ldap-c-api-00.txt>
     (none)     + Universal Forms Description Language Specification
                  Version 3.2 <draft-ietf-ufdl-spec-00.txt>
     (none)     + Universal Forms Description Language Specification
                  Version 3.2 <draft-gordon-ufdl-spec-00.txt>
     (avt)      + RTP Payload for DTMF Digits
                  <draft-ietf-avt-dtmf-00.txt,.ps>
     (svrloc)   + Definition of lpr: URLs for use with Service
                  Location <draft-ietf-svrloc-lpr-scheme-00.txt>
     (none)     + Uniform Resource Locators (URL): DNS URL Naming
                  Scheme <draft-goland-url-dns-00.txt>


  7. Seven RFCs were published during this period

     RFC2093 E  (none)    Group Key Management Protocol (GKMP)
                          Specification
     RFC2094 E  (none)    Group Key Management Protocol (GKMP)
                          Architecture
     RFC2170 I  (none)    Application REQuested IP over ATM
                          (AREQUIPA)
     RFC2177 PS (none)    IMAP4 IDLE command
     RFC2178 DS (ospf)    OSPF Version 2
     RFC2179 I  (none)    Network Security For Trade Shows
     RFC2180 I  (none)    IMAP4 Multi-Accessed Mailbox Practice






















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INTERNET PROJECTS
-----------------


INTERNIC
--------

     REGISTRATION SERVICES

     July InterNIC Stats

     Monthly Registrations: 138,814

     Gopher Sessions: 64,418         Retrievals: 8164
     WAIS Sessions: 20,017           Retrievals: 12,423
     FTP Sessions: 119,307           Retrievals: 201,245
     Telnet Sessions: 71,069
     HTTP: 13,386,951
     Whois Client Queries: 5,153,853
     Whois Server Queries: 28,483,417

     Updates: 172,397
     email: 558,630

     Rich Landers <richl@internic.net>



     INTERNIC DIRECTORY AND DATABASE SERVICES


     The InterNIC Guide to US Universities is now available at:

                http://ds.internic.net/aldeau/attframes3.html

     The Guide can be searched by name of the institution or
     geographically by state.  It provides contact information for the
     institution including a link to the college's web site.

     The University Guide was developed by Aldea Communications.











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     A reminder - if you would like to help the Internet community find
     a resource that you offer, send mail to admin@ds.internic.net and
     we will send information about listing your resource in the
     Directory of Directories.  If you prefer, you can enter
     information about your resource in our WWW suggestion form.  The
     form can be reached through our Directory of Directories Web page
     at:

                http://ds.internic.net:80/ds/dsdirofdirs.html

     by Rick Huber <rvh@ds.internic.net>



     THE US DOMAIN
     =============

     A total of about 2000 locality domains that were delegated to several
     domain name managers have been returned to the US Domain
     administrator.  These localities will be made available for
     redelegation in the coming months.

     A new policy has been added regarding the locality delegation.  For
     delegations (or redelegations) made after 1-Jul-97, it is assumed by
     the US Domain Administrator that every applicant for the delegation (or
     redelegation) of a locality name has the written agreement of the
     legitimate government for that locality for the applicant to manage the
     domain name of that locality.

     Evidience of such an agreement does not need to be presented at the
     time of delegation (except that the administrative contact on the
     application template must be the government representative).  However,
     if the delegation is later challenged or contested, the manager of the
     locality domain must produce the agreement.  Failure to do so will
     most likely result in the transfer of the management of the locality
     domain to another manager that does have such an agreement.

     If there is a dispute as to what is the legitimate government for a
     locality is and who may act for it, the league of cities or
     association of municipalities of that state (as recognized by the
     National League of Cities) may be asked to assist in resolving such
     disputes.

     In some places there are overlapping jurisdictions with the same name
     (for example, the city of Los Angeles and the county of Los Angeles).
     In such cases, the higher level government should have priority.





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     The US Domain registration form is now available online at
     http://www.isi.edu/us-domain.

     The US Domain has the maps of all the delegated special domains
     online at http://www.isi.edu/us-domain.

     The US Domain administrator no longer makes direct registrations of
     hosts, and only makes delegations of third or fourth level domain
     names (such as localities).

     Some of the processing of the requests to the third level domain
     name is now automated. In particular, most requests to register
     names in localities already delegated are automatically forwarded to
     the administrator of that locality.

     A new policy has been added regarding the charges for the domain name
     passed on during delegation.  The administrator of the locality has to
     notify one year in advance before charging for those domains.

     US DOMAIN ADMINISTRATIVE INFORMATION
     ====================================


             EMAIL/FAX            4293
             PHONE                 500
             ----------------------------
             Total Contacts       4793


             DELEGATIONS:          271
             FORWARDED REQUESTS:  1847
             OTHER US DOMAIN MSGS:2675
             ---------------------------
             Total                4793


     OTHER US DOMAIN MESSAGES include referrals to other subdomains
     or to/from the InterNic, phone calls, modifications,
     application requests, discussion and clarification of the
     requests, questions about names, resolving technical problems
     with zone files and name servers, and whois listings.










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     MAJOR SUBDOMAINS DELEGATED
     ==========================


     K12     CC      TEC     STATE   LIB     MUS     GEN     DST     COG
     ===================================================================
     52      39      36      47      41      26      28      10      6
     ===================================================================


     THIRD LEVEL DELEGATIONS
     ========================

     GEN.OK.US.                      General Independent Entities,
                                     Oklahoma.

     LOCALITIES
     ==========

     GLOUCESTER.NJ.US.                       NEW-ORLEANS.LA.US.
     NAMPA.ID.US.                            MANHATTAN.KS.US.
     MERIDIAN.MI.US.                         BOLTON.VT.US.
     WESTLAKE-VILLAGE.CA.US.                 AGOURA-HILLS.CA.US.
     FRANKLIN.KS.US.                         WATERFORD.NY.US.
     BERKELEY-LAKE.GA.US.                    SWANZEY.NH.US.
     ALBANY.NH.US.                           BERKELEY.IL.US.
     BUTLER.IN.US.                           PITKIN.CO.US.
     PEPPERMALL.MA.US.                       PORT-CLINTON.OH.US.
     WEBBERVILLE.MI.US.                      PERRY.MI.US.
     POTTERVILLE.MI.US.                      MORRICE.MI.US.
     DURAND.MI.US.                           LAINGSBURG.MI.US.
     BATH.MI.US.                             FOWLERVILLE.MI.US.
     PLAQUEMINE.LA.US.                       FREDON.NJ.US.
     HAMPTON.NJ.US.                          OGDENSBURG.NJ.US.
     STANHOPE.NJ.US.                         STILLWATER.NJ.US.
     BEATTYVILLE.KY.US.                      MAGGIE-VALLEY.NC.US.
     CASHMERE.WA.US.                         ADIRONDACK.NY.US.
     BELLEVUE.OH.US.                         MILAN.OH.US.
     VERMILION.OH.US.                        KENSINGTON.NH.US.
     SANDWICH.NH.US.                         STRATFORD.NH.US.
     BREVARD.FL.US.










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     OTHER US DOMAIN DELEGATIONS THIS MONTH
     ======================================

     We delegated 228 4th level domain names this month.


     URL: http://www.isi.edu/us-domain/

     Shanthi Ranganathan (US-Domain@ISI.EDU)




MERIT INTERNET ENGINEERING
--------------------------

     This report summarizes July 1997 activities of Merit's Internet
     Engineering group on behalf of the Routing Arbiter (RA) service and
     other projects.

     Organizations that are peering with the Route Server Next
     Generation (RSng) project's Route Servers can use a new Web
     Interface to check the parameters of their peering session:

               http://www.rsng.net/peer_template/viewconf.html

     The new form displays public fields in RSng's extended 'inet-rtr'
     (Internet router) objects, which specify routes that the Route
     Server should import and export on behalf of each peer.  The RSng
     inet-rtr object, which was developed by Jake Khuon, extends the
     definition found in the RIPE document, "Specifying an `Internet
     Router' in the Routing Registry" (RIPE-122).

     To use the Configuration Viewer to view an RSng inet-rtr object,
     simply enter the IP address or AS number of the peer you want to
     obtain information about.  The Configuration Viewer only displays
     public information about routes exchanged with the Route Servers,
     rather than private network contact information.  The Configuration
     Viewer was developed by Abha Ahuja.

     ------------------------------------------------------------

     Merit is pleased to announce a new, distributed version of its
     Internet Rover package.  Developed by Bill Norton to monitor
     network devices for the NSFNET project, the Rover code is now used
     to monitor networks worldwide, including the Italian National
     Network, the Pentagon Network, and the Princeton Network.




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     The previous, centralized Rover code was based on a simple model:
     if a device failed a test, an alert would be displayed at the
     Network Operations Center.  NOC operators would then investigate
     the cause of the failed test and take any necessary action.  When
     the test succeeded, the alert would be removed.

     Over the past ten years, Merit programming staff have worked with
     many network operators to evolve the software package to meet their
     needs.  The latest release, Internet Rover 4.0, introduces the
     notion of distributed "Area Managers" into the model.  The Area
     Managers, which perform tests and maintain a list of alerts on
     remote systems, use an SNMP agent to externalize the list of alerts
     to the Central Network Management Stations (CNMS).  In this way,
     the Distributed Rovers can be deployed and connected across a
     wide-area network.

     Locating the Area Managers topologically closer to the devices
     being monitored decreases the likelihood of packet loss from
     intermediate network failures, and lowers network management
     bandwidth requirements.

     In addition, the Distributed Rovers can be split along
     administrative boundaries, such as AS's, making it possible for
     networks to share aggregated network management information.  NOCs
     can then "view" one another's alert screens, making it much easier
     to operate backup NOCs and share NOC services.

     For more information about the new Rover code, see:

                     http://www.merit.edu/internet.tools/rover/

     A new mailing list provides a forum for user feedback to the Rover
     developers. To join, send e-mail to majordomo@merit.edu with
     'subscribe your.email.address rover@merit.edu' (without the quotes)
     as the only text.

     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Engineer Craig Labovitz and Merit President Eric Aupperle attended
     an Internet Service Quality Workshop sponsored by Bellcore, which
     featured presentations on future differentiated services for the
     Internet.  Bill Norton, Jake Khuon, and Abha Ahuja of the RSng
     staff attended a PacBell NAP open house. Route Servers managed by
     the Route Server Next Generation project (www.rsng.net/) are up and
     running at the Digital Internet Exchange and the AADS, MAE-West,
     MAE-East interconnection points, in addition to the PacBell NAP.

     Susan R. Harris (srh@merit.edu)




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UCL
----

     Main work this month was with SAIC on testing a research reliable
     multicast protocol, over the CAIRN. Paper based on work has been
     submitted to INFOCOM 98.

     John Crowcroft (j.crowcroft@CS.UCL.AC.UK)










IANA REPORT
-----------

     IANA Monthly Report - July 1997

     BOOTP-DHCP Extension Codes              8
     Cable Address Blocks                    2
     Country Codes                           2
     DHCP Options                            2
     INT Domains                             1
     MIME Media Types                        2
     Multicast Addresses: Individual Ass.    2
     Novell SAP Numbers                      1
     PPP Field Assignments                   1
     Private Enterprise Numbers              70
     Port Assignments                        48
     Protocol Type/Field Assignments         2
     SMI Numbers                             5
     SOCKS Methods                           3
     Telnet Options                          3

     Josh Elliott (elliott@isi.edu)











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RFC EDITOR REPORT
-----------------

     This is a summary of Request for Comments Editor activity for the
     month of July, 1997:

                                  TIME IN QUEUE
     DOCUMENTS        New*   30 days     60 days      90 days      TOTAL
     ------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                  |
     Beginning of       0        8          13            6       | 27
     month                                                        |
                                                                  |
     New               22        0           0            0       | 22
                                                                  |
                                                                  |
     Processed          6        4           5            3       | 18
     ------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                  |
     End of month      16        4           8            3       | 31

     * New RFCs added to queue throughout the month

     The Requests for Comments (RFCs) are a series of notes, started in
     1969, about the Internet (originally the ARPANET). The notes discuss
     many aspects of computing and computer communication focusing in
     networking protocols, procedures, programs, and concepts, but also
     including meeting notes, opinion, and sometimes humor. The
     specification documents of the Internet protocol suite, as defined by
     the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) and its steering group (the
     IESG), are published as RFCs.

     RFCs-to-be are edited by the RFC Editor.  RFCs enter the RFC Editor's
     work queue either by an action of the IESG or by independent
     submission.  Most independent submissions are referred to the IESG to
     check for overlap with IETF work.  The IESG might put a hold on a
     document to gather more input from its members.  The wait for an RFC
     to be published varies as there can be unforeseen complications
     (typically editorial matters that need clarification from the author).
     Documents can be removed from the publication queue if they are found
     to be insufficient or incorrect or if the IESG asks the author to join
     work already in progress in the IETF.

     Mary Kennedy (rfc-ed@isi.edu)







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CALENDAR
--------

Last update 07/10/97

The information below has been submitted to the IETF Secretariat
as a means of notifying readers of future events. Readers are
requested to send in dates of events that are appropriate for this
calendar section. Please send submissions, corrections, etc., to:

               <meeting-planning@ietf.org>

Please note: The Secretariat does not maintain on-line information
for the events listed below.

A copy of this calendar is available as follows:

VIA FTP
-------
IETF Information is available by anonymous FTP from several sites.

        US East Coast Address:  ds.internic.net (198.49.45.10)
        US West Coast Address:  ftp.isi.edu (128.9.0.32)
        Europe Address:  nic.nordu.net (192.36.148.17)
        Pacific Rim Address:  munnari.oz.au (128.250.1.21)
        Africa Address:       ftp.is.co.za (196.4.160.12)

cd ietf
ls *0mtg*


WWW
-------
<http://www.ietf.org/home.html> Click on the link for "meetings" and
you should find an entry "listing of other Internet related events".


************************************************************************

1997
-----------

Jul. 14-17        5th TCL/TK Workshop             Boston, MA
Jul. 14-18        ANSI X3T10 '97
Jul. 14-17        APPN Implementers Workshop      San Jose, CA
Jul. 17-19        VTIC-97                         San Jose CA
Jul. 20-25        ATM Forum                       Montreal, CANADA




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Jul. 23-26        ACM DL '97  2nd ACM Int'l
                     Conf. on Digital Libraries   Philadelphia, PA
Jul. 24-25        DMS '97                         Vancouver, CANADA
Aug. 4-8          ANSI X3T11 (host by Hitachi)    Honolulu, HI
Aug. 11-15        39th IETF (host by German ISOC) Munich, Germany
Aug. 12-14        DCI's Internet Expo             Boston, MA
Aug. 13-15        IEEE 25th Annual Int'l Computer Software and
                   Application Conference         Washington, DC
Sep.              RIPE28                          TBD
Sep  2-5          1997 Int'l Conference
                  Intelligent Networks and
                  Intelligence in Networks        Paris, France
Sep. 5            TERENA Technical Committee      Amsterdam
Sep. 5            TERENA Executive Committee      Amsterdam
Sep. 7-11         5th European Conf. on
                   Computer Supported Coop. Work
                   Lancaster University           U.K.
Sep. 8-12         ANSI X3T10 '97
Sep. 8-12         OIW (Firm)
Sep. 8-14         TELECOM Interactive 97          Geneva, Switzerland
Sep. 10-12        IDMS '97  w/ ACM SIGMM, GMD, IEEE
                                                  Darmstadt, Germany
Sep. 11-12        4th Int'l Workshop on
                     Community Networking (IEEE)  Atlanta, Georgia
Sep. 14-18        ACM SIGCOMM '97  Cannes, French Riviera, France
Sep. 16-17        EWOS Assembly                   Brussels
Sep. 21-26        ATM Forum                       Paris, France
Sep. 26-30        3rd ACM/IEEE on Mobile Computing
                   & Networking 1997 (MobiCom'97) Budapest, Hungary
Oct. 6-10         ANSI X3T11  (host by FSI)       Tucson, AZ
Oct. 7-10         COMDEX Internet '97 and Object World '97
                  Internet Forum Europe (IFE) & Object
                     World Frankfurt (OWF)        Frankfurt, Germany
Oct. 15-17        ACM SIGPLAN - Conf. on
                   Domain-Specific Languages      Santa Barbara, CA
Oct. 23-24        TERENA General Assembly         Madrid
Oct. 24-26        1st Int'l Enterprise Distributed
                   Objected Computing Wrkshop
                   EDOC '97                       Gold Coast, Australia
Oct. 23-25        ETSI                            Nice, France
Oct. 26-31        LISA '97 - 11th Systems
                   Administration Conference      San Diego, CA
Oct. 27-31        EWOS Workshops                  Brussels
Oct. 28-31        IEEE Int'l Conf. on
                      Network Protocols           Atlanta, GA
Nov. 3-5          Int'l Test Conference 1997
                  Sheraton Washington Hotel       Washington, DC
Nov. 3-7          ANSI X3T10 '97



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Nov. 3-7          SPIE Int'l Symposium
                   Voice, Video & Data Communications
                   Conf. on Performance & Control of
                   Network System - Special Session on
                   Switching & Traffic Mgmt in
                   High Speed Networks            Dallas, TX
Nov. 3-7          2nd French/Brazilian Symposium
                  on Distributed System Architectures:
                  Telecommunication Multimedia Architectures
                                                  Ceara, Brazil
Nov. 8-14         ACM MULTIMEDIA '97              Seattle, WA
Nov. 10-14        IEEE 802 Plenary  Queen Elizabeth, Montreal
Nov. 12-13        CEN/CENELEC/ETSI                Brussels
Nov. 19-21        ICCC'97                         Cannes, France
Nov. 24-26        PROMSMmNet '97
                   Multimedia Networking          Santiago, Chile
Nov. 30-Dec 5     ATM Forum                       Singapore
Dec. 1-3          30th IEEE/ACM Int'l Symposium
                   on Microarchitecture           RTC, NCA
Dec. 1-5          ANSI X3T11 (host by DPT)        Orlando, FL
Dec. 2-3          EWOS Assembly                   Brussels
Dec. 8-12         40th IETF (Host: Newbridge)     Washington, DC
Dec. 8-12         OIW (Firm)
Dec. 8-12         USENIX Symposium on Internet Technology
                      and Systems)                Monterey, CA
Dec. 17-19        97 Int'l Sym. on Communications Hsinchu, Taiwan

TBA               TELECOM '97 Asia                TBA

1998
-----------
Jan 6-8           W3C Interest Group Mtg          TBA
Jan.              RIPE29                          Amsterdam (tbd)
Jan 26-29         7th Security Symposium          San Antonio, TX
Feb. 8-13         ATM Forum                       Anaheim, CA
Feb 7-9           DCI'S Internet Expo             San Jose, CA
Mar. 9-11         2nd Euromicro Working Conf. on
                   Soft. Maint. & Reeng.          Florence, Italy
Mar. 9-13         IEEE 802 Plenary                Irvine, CA
Mar. 29-Apr 2     IEEE INFOCOM '98 - Hotel Nikko  San Francisco, CA
Mar. 30-Apr. 3    41st IETF (Tentative)           Los Angeles, CA
Apr. 3-4          IEEE "OPENARCH '98"             San Francisco, CA
Apr. 12-17        WWW7                            Brisbane, Australia
Apr. 18-23        CHI '98 (ACM SIGCHI)            Los Angeles, CA
Apr. 19-24        ATM Forum                       Berlin, Germany
Apr 20-22         W3C Interest Group Mtg          TBA
May               RIPE30                          Stockholm (tbd)
May 5-8           Networld+Interop '98            Las Vegas, NV



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SPRING 1998       TELECOM '97 Africa              Midrand, South Africa
Jun 13-17         USENIX '98 Technical Conf.      New Orleans, LA
Jun 16-18         DCI's Internet Expo             Chicago, IL
Jul. 6-10         IEEE 802 Plenary                San Diego, CA
Jul. 20-24        INET '98                        TBA
Jul. 26-31        ATM Forum                       Portland, OR
Aug. 23-29        15th IFIP World. Com. Conf.     Vienna, Austria and
                                                   Budapest, Hungary
Aug. 23-28        42nd IETF (Tentative)           Chicago, IL
Aug. 29-Sep 4     SIGCOMM '98                     Vancouver, CANADA
Sep 1-3           DCI's Internet Expo             Boston, MA
Oct. 4-9          ATM Forum                       Gold Coast, Australia
Oct 20-22         W3C Interest Group Mtg          TBA
Oct 21-23         Networld+Interop '98            Atlanta, GA
Oct. 26-29        TERENA (host by DFN)            Dresden, Germany
Nov. 9-13         IEEE 802 Plenary                Albuquerque, NM
Nov. 29-Dec 4     ATM Forum                       Nashville, TN
Dec. 6-11         12th Systems Administration Conf.
                    (LISA '98)                    Boston, MA
Dec. 7-11         43rd IETF (Tentative)           TBA



1999
-----

Feb. 7-13         ATM Forum (tentative)           TBA
Feb 23-25         W3C Interest Group Mtg          TBA
Apr. 18-24        ATM Forum (tentative)           TBA
May 11-14         Networld+Interop '99            Las Vegas, NV
May 31-Jun 4      WWW8                            Toronto, CANADA
Jun 4-6           W3C Interest Group Mtg          TBA
Jul. 18-24        ATM Forum (tentative)           TBA
late Aug          SIGCOMM '99 (West Coast US)     TBA
Sep. 21-23         W3C Interest Group Mtg         TBA
Sep. 26-Oct 2     ATM Forum (tentative)           TBA
Oct. 8-14         TELECOM '99                     Geneva, Switzerland
Oct. 13-17        Networld+Interop '99            Atlanta, GA
Nov. 28-Dec 4     ATM Forum (tentative)           TBA



2000

May 9-11        Networld+Interop '00              Las Vegas, NV
late Aug        SIGCOMM 2000                      Europe (tentative)
Sep 25-29       Networld+Interop '00              Atlanta, GA




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TERENA LIST OF MEETINGS
-----------------------


     The current TERENA Calendar may be found on URL:

     http://www.terena.nl/news/calendar.html

     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
     +                                           +
     +       TERENA Secretariat                  +
     +       Singel 466-468                      +
     +       1017 AW Amsterdam                   +
     +       the Netherlands                     +
     +                                           +
     +       email <secretariat@terena.nl>       +
     +                                           +
     +         tel: +31 20 639 1131              +
     +         fax: +31 20 639 3289              +
     +                                           +
     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

SOFTBANK FORUMS
---------------


Business Conferences & Expositions

BrainShare 97 Sydney
Sydney Convention Centre
Sydney, Australia
Information
011 (61) 2 9369 1242
 Conference:              July 7-11, 1997

Support Services Conference & Expo West
San Jose Convention Center
San Jose, CA
http://www.sbforums.com/ssce
Registration (SOFTBANK Knowledge Interact)
(800) 801-1354 (U.S. only)
(719) 531-6522 (International)
Housing
(800) 754-8378 (U.S. & Canada)
(650) 378-6643 (International)
Conference:               August 6-8, 1997
Exposition:               August 5-7, 1997




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Windows NT Intranet Solutions
Moscone Convention Center
San Francisco, CA
http://www.wintis.com
Customer Service
(888) 800-8920 (U.S. & Canada)
(650) 372-7071 (Internatioanl)
Conference:              August 11-15, 1997
Exposition:              August 13-15, 1997

Java Internet Business Expo
Jacob K. Javits Convention Center
New York, NY
http://www.javaexpo.sbforums.com
Customer Service
(888) 528-2397 (U.S. & Canada)
(650) 372-7069 (International)
Conference:              August 25-28, 1997
Exposition:              August 26-28, 1997

Java@Work
Sun Microsystems Java Developer and Business Conference
Sydney Conventionf Center, Darling Harbour
Sydney, Australia
http://www.sun.com.au
Information
011 (61) 2 9211 7767
Conference:              Sept 10-11, 1997

Technology Performance Management Conference and Expo
Opryland Hotel
Nashville, TN
http://www.sbforums.com/tpm
Registration    (SOFTBANK Knowledge Interact)
(800) 909-9848 (U.S. only)
(719) 531-6522 (International)
Housing
(888) 611-2189 (U.S. & Canada)
(650) 372-7084 (International)
 Conference:             Sept 14-17, 1997
Exposition:              Sept 14-17, 1997










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Seybold San Francisco
Moscone Convention Center
San Francisco, CA
http://www.seyboldseminars.com
Customer Service
(888) 473-9265 (U.S. & Canada)
(650) 372-7078 (International)
Conference:              Sept 29-Oct 3, 1997
Exposition:              Oct 1-3, 1997


Networld+Interop 97 Atlanta
Georgia World Congress Center
Atlanta, GA
http://www.interop.com/events
Customer Service
(800) 962-6513 (U.S. & Canada)
(650) 372-7079 (International)
Conference:              Oct 6-10, 1997
Exhibition:              Oct 8-10, 1997

CommUnity
Georgia World Congress Center
Atlanta, GA
http://www.interop.com/events/community
Customer Service
(800) 962-6513 (U.S. & Canada)
(650) 372-7079 (International)
Conference:              Oct 6-10, 1997
Exhibition:              Oct 8-10, 1997

Networld+Interop 97 Paris
Porte de Versailles
Paris, France
http://www.interop.com/events
Information
011 (33) 1 46 39 5656
Conference:             Oct 20-23, 1997
Exhibition:             Oct 21-23, 1997

Networld+Interop 97 London
Olympia
London, England
http://www.interop.com/events
Information
011 (44) 0181 261 4415
Conference:             Oct 27-30, 1997
Exhibition:             Oct 28-30, 1997



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Windows NT Intranet Solutions Japan
Makuhari Messe
Tokyo, Japan
Information
011 (81) 3 5642 8433
Conference:             Nov 12-14, 1997
Exhibition:             Nov 12-14, 1997

Networld+Interop 97 Sydney
Sydney Convention Center
Sydney, Australia
http://www.interop.com/events
Information
011 (61) 2 9369 1242
Conference:             Nov 24-28, 1997
Exposition:             Nov 26-28, 1997

Seybold Seminars Tokyo
Makuhari Messe
Tokyo, Japan
http://www.seyboldseminars.com
Information
011 (81) 3 5642 8433
Conference:             Dec 9-12, 1997
Exposition:             Dec 10-12, 1997

Help Desk Institute Regional Seminar and Expo Series

Help Desk Institute offers several seminar series periodically
throughout the year in various locations
across the United States.  For registration information, please call
(800) 248-5667 or (719) 531-5138 .

Regional Seminar & Expo Series
http://www.HelpDeskInst.com/events
Customer Service
(800) 248-5667 (U.S. Only)
(719) 531-5138 (International)

Sheraton Washington
Washington DC
Seminar:                July 14-18, 1997
Expo:                   July 16, 1997

Town & Country Resort
San Diego, CA
Seminar:                Oct 6-10, 1997
Expo:                   Oct 8, 1997



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Strategic Networks Seminars

Strategic Networks offers one-day seminars for Interop Remote Access,
Interop NetSwitch, Interop WAN, and Interop Secure ManageNet
periodically throughout the year in various locations in the United
States.  For registration information, please call Strategic Networks
at 800-898-7488. For sponsor opportunities, please call Strategic
Networks at 800-999-7624.

Interop WAN 97 Tour
Planning your WAN Upgrade - Breaking Through
http://www.snci.com
Customer Service
(800) 898-7488 (U.S. only)

Washington DC                   Seminar:                Sept 4, 1997

Newark, NJ                      Seminar:                Sept 9, 1997

Chicago, IL                     Seminar:                Sept 11, 1997

Boston, MA                      Seminar:                Sept 30, 1997

Los Angeles, CA                 Seminar:                Oct 16, 1997

Minneapolis, MN                 Seminar:                Oct 21, 1997

San Francisco, CA               Seminar:                Oct 28, 1997

Atlanta, GA                     Seminar:                Nov 6, 1997

Philadelphia, PA                Seminar:                Nov 13, 1997


Interop NetSwitch 97 Tour
State of the Art ATM and Switched Technology
http://www.snci.com
Customer Service
(800) 898-7488 (U.S. only)


Minneapolis, MN                 Seminar:                Sept 4, 1997

Washington DC                   Seminar:                Sept 11, 1997

Toronto, Canada                 Seminar:                Sept 30, 1997

Denver, CO                      Seminar:                Oct 16, 1997



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Hartford, CT                    Seminar:                Oct 21, 1997

Los Angeles, CA                 Seminar:                Oct 23, 1997

Pittsburgh, PA                  Seminar:                Oct 30, 1997

Newark, NJ                      Seminar:                Nov 6, 1997


Interop Secure ManageNet 97 Tour
http://www.snci.com
Customer Service
(800) 898-7488 (U.S. only)

San Francisco, CA               Seminar:                Sept 9, 1997

Los Angeles, CA                 Seminar:                Sept 11, 1997

Washington DC                   Seminar:                Oct 16, 1997

Newark, NJ                      Seminar:                Oct 21, 1997

Chicago, IL                     Seminar:                Oct 23, 1997

Boston, MA                      Seminar:                Oct 28, 1997

Toronto, Canada                 Seminar:                Oct 30, 1997

Minneapolis, MN                 Seminar:                Nov 6, 1997

Interop ISP 97
http://www.snci.com
Customer Service
(800) 898-7488 (U.S. only)

Chicago, IL                     Seminar:                Sept 5, 1997

Seattle, WA                     Seminar:                Sept 8, 1997

Atlanta, GA                     Seminar:                Sept 10, 1997

Washington DC                   Seminar:                Sept 19, 1997

Los Angeles, CA                 Seminar:                Sept 22, 1997

San Francisco, CA               Seminar:                Sept 24, 1997

Parsippany, NJ                  Seminar:                Sept 26, 1997



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Dallas, TX                      Seminar:                Sept 30, 1997



 Software Support Professionals Association (SSPA)

SSPA offers a variety of support programs throughout the year which
include executive forums, software support conferences, and monthly
on-line roundtable and executive sessions. For a description of the
events and for registration information, please call SSPA at
 (800) 801-1354 or (719) 531-6522.

Virtual Roundtables
Held On-line at 10:00 A.M. PST
http://www.sspa-online.com
Customer Service
(800) 801-1354 (U.S. only)
(719) 531-6522 (International)

Staffing and Scheduling Tools for Software Support
July 16, 1997

Building Supportability into Products
August 20, 1997

Harnessing the WWW as a Support Resource
Sept 17, 1997

The Virtual Support Center
Oct 22, 1997

Justifying the Benefits of CTI, IVR, and ACD Systems
Nov 19, 1997

A New Training Paradigm for Software Support
Dec , 1997 (TBA)


Executive Forum
http://www.sspa-online.com
Customer Service
(800) 801-1354 (U.S. only)
(719) 531-6522 (International)

Palm Springs, CA                Forum:                  Dec 4-5, 1997






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SSPA Stars Awards and Membership Meeting
San Jose, CA                    Meeting:                Dec 3, 1997
http://www.sspa-online.com
Customer Service
(800) 801-1354 (U.S. only)
(719) 531-6522 (International)

SSPAs Software Support Stars Conference
http://www.sspa-online.com
Customer Service
(800) 801-1354 (U.S. only)
(719) 531-6522 (International)

San Diego, CA                   Conference:             Oct 15-17, 1997


Executive Session
Held On-line at 10:00 A.M. PST
http://www.sspa-online.com
Customer Service
(800) 801-1354 (U.S. only)
(719) 531-6522 (International)

Session:                July 22, 1997

Session:                August 26, 1997

Session:                Sept 23, 1997

Session:                Oct 28, 1997

Session:                Nov 25, 1997

Session:                Dec 23, 1997

SOFTBANK Knowledge Interact Seminars

SOFTBANK Knowledge Interact offers SkillTech Professional Seminars
periodically throughout the year in various locations throughout the
United States.  For a calendar of 1997 events and registration
information, please call SOFTBANK Knowledge Interact at 800-34-TRAIN.

SOFTBANK Forums
303 Vintage Park Drive
Foster City, CA  94404
(650) 578-6900
Fax: (650) 525-0194
http://www.sbforums.com



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It sure would be nice if we could stop getting TWO copies of every
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Ellen and all,

  Notice:  Official response to follow.

  From:  Jeff Williams Director and co-Founder of IEG. INC.)
  Subject:  IEG. INC. Official response to Mr. Don Telage NSI
  To:    Fellow Particapants at ISPCON 

   



My response Starts here intermixed with Mr. Telage's comments.

Ellen Rony wrote:

 ISPCON report, part 1 -  Great conference again.  Excellent,
informative
presentations.  Overheard that it had 4,000 attendees (unconfirmed
number).


 Here is a fairly lengthy summary of the comments made by Don Telage on
Friday.8/22.  I thought the conference room would be packed, but such
was
not the case.  It seems that the ISPs are focused on the bottom line and
do
not yet realize how governance issues will affect them or why they
should
be involved.  More work needs to be done to raise that awareness.

Re: Dr. Telage:  I expected he might a person who has hair on his teeth.
Instead, he is articulate, informational, personable, reasonable,
accessible, warm and likeable. So here are notes from his talk.  No
spell
checker.  All comments below  are from Dr. Telage, not the messenger
(well,
one annotation).  Questions from audience in brackets. A few full, exact
quotes included.    Will try to make time to post notes from
Mockapetris,
Kashpureff and DNRC sessions later.  For NSI response to NOI, see August
18
NTIA posting, but it will also be posted on netsol web site,
_________________________________________________
>From Dr Telage:
NSI - "we're the company that everyone loves to hate"
3 objectives of talk:
1.  Address the question of why are we where we are in this governance
issue? Why should it not be expected? Hindsight point of view.
2.  Look at some of the controversial issues.  Stress areas where there
are
some misunderstandings.  Where NSI has a view, want to present our
opinion.
Information/clarification phase.
3.  Speculate on where whole process going?  What hints do we have on
where
it needs to go?  What should we as a community do to get a good outcome
for
the Internet.  Find an outcome that respects the business and lets each
of
the stakeholders continue their function. Future direction.

Policy changes that we make today are going to have impacts down the
road.
You should take an interest in what is being done with your Internet,
because it is your Internet, no one else's.
Internet was done way it was done because it served an effective
purpose.
Right model for the functions it had in the first 20 years.
Consensus-driven work.  No top down.  Global skunkworks type of
arrangement. Marvelous quality to it.

ISPs responsible for why it needs to change.  ISPs brought tens of
thousands of customers who had different mind set and objectives of
prior
years.  Brought commercial interests and priorties, conflicting
interests,
business priorities. and that is the reason it needs to change.  its
function is now changed.  We have the old role, but the consensus model
isn't going to work when big money and rapid time elements are involved,
when laws are involved, when countries feel a stake in, that is what is
generating the change.  You generated an unbelievable commercial
explosion.
I don't think we are close to the top curve.  Perspective so small in
time
scale.  In five years, this curve will be seen as flat.  Growth will be
greater soon than we can ever imagine.  Growth relentless. We have to
make
it more industrial strength to get where we need to go.

Commercial operations have impacted the operational stuff at bowels of
Internet, root server operators, IP registries, changed business models,
too.
IANA, IAB, IESG vulnerable, not indemnified not protected.  "It's almost
inappropriate that individuals or small collections of individuals who
happen to have an historical name to them can operate in a governance
role
anymore." Too much to ask of these individuals.  They must feel the
strain.]
We're in this role and it feels very threatening to us.  Postel must
feel
very vulnerable.

  I don't think Jon Postal feels threatened at all, form some
conversations that I have had and heard of with Jon, he feel more
betrayed personaly and profesionaly.  So it seems like MR. Telage,
is trying to shore some things up here with the IANA, IA and the
IESG.  Intreating shift of emphisis in this remark.  Food for
thought possibly.  You be the judge. 

Internet basically grew up in U.S.  From a national point of view, with
exception of RIPE and APNIC, most of critical elements are still within
continental U.S.  Until month ago, everyone of root servers were in the
U.s.  Month ago shipped a second server offshore.  2/3 of traffic volume
is
within U.S.  Internet global in extent, but in terms of balance of
infrastructure, topology and activity, it is still US-centric.  We
(U.S.)
should take leadership role to fix things.

  First of all there have been two Root servers outside the US for
more than a year now, so I see that Mr. Telage is a bit innaccurate
with his facts.  This is astounding in a way.  He should know
better than this.

  I agree that the US should take a leadership role baised on 
his very reasons in his next sentance, but not a dominating one.
Even though the most usace and infrastructure in in the US
currently, this will only be true for a small amount of
time.  Once China and most of asia comes online in a more 
significant way, our dominance will not be there.  Hence,
the reason for not dominating the situation now.  Be open,
accepting, encourgaging and inviting to the whole world.
By doing this we better ourselves perportionaly.


Re: Cooperative agreement.  NSI feels it doesn't have a technical
direction
role.  Agreement almost implies that IANA has the responsibility and we
have
always treated that to be the case.  That's where  policy decisions,
appeals are made to IANA, network numbering policies and identifiers
originate there.

NSF trying to get out of its role for 2 years.  IATF wouldn't let NSF
out
last April.  Not no, but "hell no.  One semblance of stability, wouldn't
allow NSF to leave.  Legal activity.  NSI sued by PGMedia for antritrust
activity.  IANA told NSI it has no authority in these matters, do what
you
want.  NSF letter on June 10 with a plan to introduce competition into
the
DNS, please approve or modify and respond.  NSF said no, not until US
govt
has chance to review this entire matter.  Aug 11 NSF said no again.

  Mr. Telage, makes a very good point here.  In accordance with
the Telecommunications act of 1996, NSF is mandated to allow for
private enterprise to be a working partner, unincumbered reguardless
of size or stature in the commercial sector.  This puts NSF's
Aug. 11th answer in contrast with the US congress and federal
Law.  SO it would seem that NSF is indeed in abayance of
antitrust laws as well.

More intrigue to issue: Justice Department conducting  investigation
into
NSI antitrust behavior.  Even though we are operating under govt
contract,
andappealed to both what we think are the authorities and have been
denied
approval.  Being sued, denied an ability to defend ourselves (NSI), and
being investigated by Justice Department.  Not well informed District
Court
judge could order a solution tomorrow which would overrrule the
contract.
Not the way to do it.  Needs orderly process.

  Well NSI and NSF had had more than a year to develope that process,
to little avail.  Why?  Becouse it is not in NSI's intrest?  Maybe?
OR is it due to poor managment a feet dragging?  Likely?  I don't
pretend to know.  Reguardless, if I know that I or We (IEG. INC.)
can do it, than surely NSI and the NSF could have or already should
have.

Airing dirty laundry.  Recent snafu on Internet.  Let bad root file go
out.
Tried to notify them.  Couldn't notify root server operators because
they
are volunteers.  Whole structure needs higher performance standers. 
Needs
7x24 accountability.  No fail safe in the system.  That whole structure
needs to be put more under control.

  I agree.  And this should have been done more than two years ago.
Many warned, to no avail.  So I guess, "Those who fail to manage,
manage to fail".

DNS Advantages: terrifically easy to use.  Large name space.  Easy to
understand.  More self funded.  Resilient to growth.
Disadvantages:  Open to spoofing.  Was a peer to peer system, not
designed
to deal with hostile activities.

  DNS security is something that is already under development by
the IETF.  In addition, this problem was and should have been known
long ago.  Many, including myself warned of this weakness, and were
shruged off as being excentric.  Well I guess, again failier to
realize the obvious is always a rude awakener.

Directory system is sorely lacking.  Need to figure out how to get
information easily. Average user can't get WHOIS for Germany, etc. 
Needs
to be put together in some unified way.

No uniform registration policies worldwide.  Some treat it as holy grail
to
other extreme at NSI.  We treat it as a brand, a registration identity.
The Internet needs to figure out what domains are, what registration is
and
how it should be dealt with registration in a uniform way.

  This again has ben known or suspected for over two years now.  Yet
NSI and NSF are just now realizing it.  How short sited, which again
points out the poor judgment of NSI's managment and NSF's oversite.

Registries have to operate in legal vacuum are hugely vulnerable.  In
order
to protect selves have to put in policies aren't popular.  But
alternative,
with no indemnification from any legal body, risks going out of
business.
Other registries haven't hit volume points so haven't seen this yet. 
They
will, soon.

"NSI supports competition of any form that the community decides is
necessary, either through the addition of new TLDS or through the
imposition of a shared registration concept if it is done with stability
and is done orderly and it respects the legacy positions of the
registries."

  This is a very serious problem indeed.  Replacment of the
lagacy DNS software is paramount to meet future demand.  It
is still not too late to be proactive here, but somehow I
doubt this will happen in light of past history.

"Sharing .com, sharing .de, sharing .net, sharing .uk, that's not a
problem.  Not easy to do, but we support it.
Relative to adding new TLDs, no technical limit.  Not issue.  Issue is
possible confusion in Internet space, implementation guidelines, pushing
the problem up one level.  Community not in agreement on this.  3 camps:
1) want to get into business, want new TLDS  ;  2) trademark owners or
those who got name , want no more TLDS, see this as intellectual
property
nightmare for them.;  3) group lost out in court battle and still lusts
after name...wants new TLD so they another shot at the name and
procedure.

  This is where the curx of many of the discussions have centered
for nearly a year and a half now.  I agree that there is no limit
to the possibilities of TLD's that could be created if a shared
system of registries in a Round Table fassion is accepted or
in place.  This is already underway.  SOme call these services
"Alternitive Registries".  Alternitive or not, they exist, and 
are not likely to go away.  SO the IANA/IETF/ISOC/POC/CORE/IAB
need to find a way to work WITH these RSC's, not Flame them.
We have a long way to go here.


"Competition will one of the most important things that this industry
needs: it will induce people to invest."
NSI has invested 10s of millions of dollars into new facility.  34,000
sq
ft, state of the art facility.

Key question: do we want to make a change of DNS system that only
affects
top level.  It is hierarchical system.  Parallel in IP level,
portability.
Technically difficult to do. Issues of routability.

  Well I agree.  And first on that list is a modification or update
to RFC2050, RFC1917, RFC1918.  In doint this in a open manner,
and getting on with either IPv6 or IPv8, we can shoot alot of
these problems very quickly.  This doesn't seem to be the way
ARIN and the IANA seem to want to head however.  So openess
and providing for the expandability in usefull way does not
seem to be in their intrest.  One must question this logic.

If you do sharing, you will end up building another back office
facility.
That facility will wind up being a monopoly.  Somewhere, all of this
stuff
needs to come together for reconciliation.  Creates a wholesale monopoly
back office and retail front office.

  I don't agree that the back office facility will end up being
an monopoly at all.  Most of my coleague's do not either.  This
sounds like another "Scare tactic" for some power freeks to control
as much of the central parts of the internet as they can and use 
the ole "Medicare scare Tactic" argument to get tit done.

Whole issue of what a gTLD is has always baffled me.  Policy change
should
affect all elements in that class.  60 TLDS where you can register no
matter you live or where your host is.  What's the distinction between a
gTLD and one of these guys? Volume.
[comment from Rick Wesson....historical difference;
gTLDs do not have a historic value and do not have association with
ISO 3166]

  Just above Mr. Telage stated that there is no limit to the 
number of TLD's possible.  He seems to almost conterdict himself
here with saying that 60 will allow you to register no matter
where you live or where your host is.  This may be so, but does
not answer the brending concerns.

.COM is as big as it is for 2 reasons. .US not widely accepted.  Ugly
ducking of TLDS.  Growth in Internet has been in US and it doesnt have a
popular ISO 3166.  .COM filled void.

Problem is volume, not geography.  When other TLDs start experiencing
growth, they will have same problems.

  Hence the need to offer alternitives.  As many as there is a
precieved demand for.  Not to mention splitting the load.

Re registration pricing graphs:  Tremendous variability.  Charge enuf to
make reasonable profit to invest and improve offerings.  Other
registries
need to look on this as investment oriented activity.

  I agree. And this is something that will need to be an ongoing
experiment.  But I suspect as demand grows so will price, as well
as costs.  Hence the need to act now. 

[Q: could Poland start a new TLD?]
No, wouldn't get included in 13 root servers.
Were not taking any new applications based on NSF's directions.

  Bad idea!  Contredictory to his previous statments on this
critique as well.  Mr. Telage seems to have no real direction
here, nor any suggestions as to what possible directions he
would like to see things go.

We have a fundamental problem with iPOC initiative.  We feel changes
need
to be evolutionary. Stakes too high to do anything too radical until 
we know impacts.  Need managed transition period top make necessary 
changes to stabilize infrastructure.  Shipping the problem to
inexperienced
international body where complexity goes up is not a wise move.  Needs
to
be market driven at some level, needs to be internationally governed,
needs
to be industrial strength.  Needs period of transition to evolve to
another
body, some U.S. agency that has skills set perhaps.

  Sounds like he is for NSF or some other government agency to 
step in here.  Regulation?  Lets hope that is a misevaluation
on my part.

Broad objectives for transition: Overarching issues:
1)   Establish legal framework.  Who is in charge?  What is in charge?
Everyone ducks the bullet.

  We the stakeholders are in charge, all over the world.  The
internet users is what is in charge, both commercial and otherwise.

2)  Need to bring all the competition into the space.  Only way will
spur
investment required to raise registries to performance levels to grow
Internet globally.  Profit will motivate. Things that require investment
will respond to profit.
3) Fill in DNS trademark vacuum.  How do domain names and trademarks
relate?
Must fix these first before moving whole infrastructure offshore.  Will
take 18-24 months.

  Too long.  Not that big of a problem.  Usage of international
Tradmark law should do it just fine.  Make DOmain names a 
tradmarkable entitity.

NSI PROPOSAL:  4-layer chart.
Legal layer - US government.  Allows registry to derive authority from
someone.  Similar to N.A. Numbering Council has same model. Intl
participation from stakeholders, does policy development.
Governance layer - IPAG (international policy advisory gorup) intl body
which accepts membership from interested stakeholder globally;
membership
based on usage or volume representation.
operational layer - manage critical functions.  nonprofit business.  not
highly capitalized.   Need DNS manager: resp for managing the root, the
dot, failsafe operations.  Should move from us and other volunteers.
Analog on DNS side to IP side.
business layer - litkely registries and ISPs willb e the same.  capital
intensive. customer interface.  needs incentive for investment.  profit
layer.

  To many layers here to be efectual and reactive to global stake
holders
needs not and certianly in the future.  More streamlining is
needed.  Remove unneeded redundance.  WOrk this like a buisness,
not like a social club, from a structual point of view.

  This process will never be affective or work long term.  Just
creates a bunch of bearuacrats.

Cutover from us agency to international is easy if 4 layers are in
place.
"We want to be a registrar.  That's all we want to be.'

  Not realistic statment baised on this layering structure in this
statment.

Broad rush questions:  How do we view names?  Are DNS space and
trademarks
the same?  What is business model that is needed at each layer?  Does
model
we have chosen work operationally?  What's the governance model here
that I
community wants?

Registries in a bind.  No immunity from suit but must protect selves
from
financial instinction.  Cannot wilfully and knowingly infringe
trademarks.
We registered 125K names last month.  With no policy in place, we would
have gotten thousands of suits.  As is, 30+ lawsuits naming us.  1,300
written disputes on  1.6 million registrations.  Problem doesn't need to
be
solved by draconian means such as trademark pre-screening.  Work on the
exceptions.

  Good point here.  I agree.

[remaining comments in response to audience questions]
NSI can't do a prepayment policy.  Too many different payment
arrangements.
ISPs need to pay by check; companies need purchase orders.

  I don't agree with this at all.  But I understand his point.  A 
need to automate payment parctices is paramount to good financial
tracking and managment in todays electornic age.  Old payment
methods can still be used, but should not be manditory.  This
makes fudiciary responsibility to cumbersom for many and
very expensive as well.  This is also anti small buisness.

Dispute policy prevents lawsuits for "contributory infringement".
Following advice of attorneys.  Every domain registrant has signed a 2
year
contract.  Cannot be prorated.  If registrant wants to go another
registrar
when that becomes available, that is your choice, but you have signed a
2
year contract (my note: which means your money won't be refunded). This
is
a common business practice.

  Good point.  But what is in that two year contract.  I hope it
is not like the gTLD-MoU contract.  SIgning theirs IS NOT GOOD
BUISNESS!  So I think the real story in this comment is in the 
fine print.

In hindsight, NSI should have written the cooperative agreement
differently
so that NSF indemnified NSI from all policy related matters.

-end Telage comments-

  Hindsite hell, NSI was told this by many befor they singed that 
contract!  <rofl>  Pass the buck again, I see.

  - End of our comments and official response -









-- 
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java Development Eng.
Information Eng. Group. IEG. INC. 
Phone :913-294-2375 (v-office)
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***************************************************************
	8th Maryland Workshop on Very High Speed Networks
		  November 11-12, 1997
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       Maryland Center for Telecommunications Research
   Department of Computer Science and  Electrical Engineering
          University  of Maryland Baltimore County

The Maryland Center for Telecommunications  Research  (MCTR)   at
the  University of Maryland Baltimore County (UMBC) will hold the
8th Maryland Workshop on Very High Speed Networks (VHSN  '97)  on
November 11-12 1997 at the UMBC campus. The Workshop will be held
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The goal of the workshop is to provide a forum where  researchers
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or 3063, Fax: (410) 455-3969, Email: mctr@cs.umbc.edu.

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registration   form   to   Dr.  D.  Sidhu,  Maryland  Center  for
Telecommunications Research,  University  of  Maryland  Baltimore
County,  1000 Hilltop Circle, Baltimore, MD 21250.  All funds for
this event will be managed by the UM foundation.

Please DO  NOT  include  hotel  accommodation  expenses  in  your
payment  for  the  Workshop Registration.  Room payment should be
made directly to the hotel you selected for stay.  The  following
hotels are closest to UMBC campus.  Some hotels may offer reduced
rate.  To obtain the reduced rate, you must identify yourself  as
an  attendee of this workshop.  BWI Airport is approximately five
miles from UMBC Campus.

  * Sheraton International Hotel - BWI Airport.  Closest to airport
	 and UMBC campus.  Tel: (410) 859-3300 or (800) 638-5858
  * Holiday Inn - BWI Airport.  Close to airport and  UMBC  campus.
	Tel: (410) 859-8400 or (800) HOLIDAY
  * Omni Inner Harbor Hotel.   Close  to  Downtown  Baltimore/Inner
	Harbor. About 20 minutes drive to UMBC campus.
	Tel: (410) 752-1100  or  (800) 843-6664

For more information on the  workshop  and  directions  to  UMBC,
check our home page on WWW (http://www.mctr.umbc.edu)

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            Mobile Agents and Security Workshop
                    October 27-28, 1997
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       Maryland Center for Telecommunications Research
   Department of Computer Science and  Electrical Engineering
          University  of Maryland Baltimore County

The Maryland Center for Telecommunications Research (MCTR) at the
University  of  Maryland  Baltimore  County  (UMBC) will hold the
Workshop on Mobile Agents and Security (MAAS '97) on October  27-
28,  1997  at  the UMBC campus.  The workshop will be held in the
Ballroom of the University Center on the UMBC campus.

The goal of the workshop is to provide a forum where  researchers
and  developers, from academia and industry, can meet to exchange
ideas and report on leading-edge developments in the use of mobile
agents in implementing solutions to security pcublems in networks
and systems and also to discuss security problems caused by mobile
agent  technology. The  participation  in  the  workshop  is  by
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If you have made contributions to mobile agents and security  and
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	Harbor. About 20 minutes drive to UMBC campus.
	Tel: (410) 752-1100  or  (800) 843-6664

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	Title		: Intra-LIS IP multicast among routers over ATM using Sparse Mode PIM
	Author(s)	: Y. Rekhter, D. Farinacci, D. Meyer
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ion-intralis-multicast-01.txt
	Pages		: 6
	Date		: 1997-08-22
	
This document describes how intra-LIS IP multicast can be efficiently 
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	Title		: NFS URL Scheme
	Author(s)	: B. Callaghan
	Filename	: draft-callaghan-url-nfs-01.txt
	Pages		: 11
	Date		: 1997-08-22
	
A new URL scheme, 'nfs' is defined.  It is used to refer
   to files and directories on NFS servers using the general
   URL syntax defined in RFC 1738, 'Uniform Resource Locators (URL)'.
 
   This scheme uses the public filehandle and multi-component lookup
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	Title		: Local DNS Names
	Author(s)	: D. Eastlake
	Filename	: draft-eastlake-local-names-00.txt
	Pages		: 
	Date		: 22-Aug-97
	
   A set of second level domain names are defined under a new top level
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	Title		: Use of DNS Aliases for Network Services
	Author(s)	: R. Wright, M. Hamilton
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ids-dnsnames-03.txt
	Pages		: 9
	Date		: 1997-08-22
	
It has become a common practice to use symbolic names (usually
   CNAMEs) in the Domain Name Service (DNS - [RFC-1034, RFC-1035]) to
   refer to network services such as anonymous FTP [RFC-959] servers,
   Gopher [RFC-1436] servers, and most notably World-Wide Web HTTP
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   Although this approach has been almost universally adopted, there is
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:58:50 -0400
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Hi -

As you may or may not know I've been tapped to head this years IAB/IESG 
nominating committee.  This is the second call for volunteers to participate 
as members of that committee.  If you would like to volunteer, please send me 
email (to stjohns@corp.home.net) with the phrase "NOMCOM VOLUNTEER" (yes - all 
caps) in your subject line indicating your desire to participate.  Please 
include your snail mail and phone numbers in the body of the message.  To be 
eligible to serve on the NOMCOM, you must have attended 2 of the last 3 IETFs.

Please make sure you can spend the time required to serve.  Although there 
won't be any face to face meetings except for the December IETF, you will have 
to spend about 2 hours a week on the phone during the 12 active weeks of the 
nominations process (starting around the December IETF) in teleconferences 
with the entire nominations committee.  You'll also be assigned various 
candidates to interview as part of the nominations process.  

Third and last call for volunteers will be next Wednesday, the 27th of August. 
 Cutoff for accepting volunteers will be as of 1600 PDT on the 29th of August 
- specifically, they have to be in my email box at that time. 

Once I've got the complete list of volunteers, I'll post it and also ask that 
the Secretariat verify eligibility.  The 10 members will be selected by lot 
based on the sales volume of 11 stocks as of the NASDAQ market close on 19 
September as reported in the San Jose Mercury News on 20 September 1997.

The procedure is as follows:

1) The Secretariat will provide the final list of eligibles listed in 
alphabetical order and numbered from 0 sequentially increasing and will mail 
this to the IETF and IETF-Announce list on or before the 17th of September.  

2) The sales volume figure for the NASDAQ most active stock on the 19th of 
Sept will be used to provide an initial offset into the list.  The 10,000s and 
1,000s digit from the volume figure will be used to generate a "random" number 
from 00 to 99 (e.g. if the sales figure is 345,009,234 shares, the number is 
09).  The actual offset into the list is calculated as  volnumber**5 mod the 
length of the list.  So if the volume number is 9, the length of the list is 
47, the offset would be 17.  

3) Each stock in turn will then be used to select a nomcom member from the 
list by using the same procedure of extracting the 10,000 and 1000 digits, 
raising them to the 5th power, adding that to the current position number and 
then taking that mod the length of the list.  So if the first of the listed 
stocks sales figure was 45,923,213 and the length of the list were 47 as 
above, then the volume number would be 23, and the final position on the list 
would be (17 + 23**5) mod 47 or 39.  The person with the number 39 
(remembering that the list is numbered from 0 this is actually the 40th 
person) would become the first member.

4) Step three is repeated continuing from the current position on the list 
until all 10 members are selected.

5) In the event that there is a duplicate selection,simply continue down the 
list sequentially until you find a person who has not been selected.  Continue 
the process from that position on the list.

6) If the most active stock is also one of the stocks I list for the 
selection, it will be used twice, once for the initial offset, and once for 
selecting a member.

7) The figures as reported in the SJMercury News are the official figures.  In 
the event of a disagreement between the numbers in the SJMercury and any other 
publication, the SJMercury figures will be considered correct.

8) If any stock is not listed in the 20 September 1997 edition of the paper, 
it will be replaced in order by one of the alternate stocks IN ITS PLACE - 
e.g. the other stocks on the list will retain their specific positions, rather 
than having the stock deleted and having the alternate stock added to the end 
of the list.

9) The list of stocks is as follows:

Member  1)  Apple Computer (reported as AppleC)
	2)  @Home Corporation (reported as AtHome)
	3)  Cisco Systems (reported as Cisco)
	4)  Cyber Cash 	(reported as CybrCsh)
	5)  Excite	(reported as Excite)
	6)  Intel	(reported as Intel)
	7)  MCI	(reported as MCI)
	8)  Microsoft (reported as Microsft)
	9)  Netcom (reported as Netcom)
	10) Netscape 	(reported as Netscpe)

Alternate 1) Quantum 
          2) 3Com
          3) Yahoo
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  The IESG has approved of the following the Internet-Drafts as
  Proposed Standards:


 o Resource ReSerVation Protocol (RSVP) -- Version 1 Functional
   Specification
	<draft-ietf-rsvp-spec-16.txt>

 o RSVP Cryptographic Authentication
	<draft-ietf-rsvp-md5-04.txt>

 o RSVP Management Information Base
	<draft-ietf-rsvp-mib-09.txt>

 o RSVP Extensions for IPSEC Data Flows
	<draft-berger-rsvp-ext-08.txt>

The IESG also approved publication of the following Internet-Drafts as
Informational RFCs:

  o Resource ReSerVation Protocol (RSVP) -- Version 1
    Applicability Statement
	<draft-ietf-rsvp-intsrv-analysis-01.txt>

  o Resource ReSerVation Protocol (RSVP) --
    Version 1 Message Processing Rules
	<draft-ietf-rsvp-procrules-00.txt >


These documents are products of the Resource Reservation Setup Protocol
Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Scott Bradner and Allyn
Romanow.

Technical Summary

  This set of documents describes RSVP, a unicast and multicast
  signalling protocol, designed to install and maintain reservation
  state information in routers along the path of a stream of data,
  along with technology to ensure the security of the signaling
  protocol and MIBs to support SNMP management of RSVP systems.  Hosts
  can use RSVP to request specific qualities of service (QoS) from a
  network for particular application data streams or flows.  Routers
  can use RSVP to forward these requests along the data path and to
  maintain the state required to provide the requested QoS.

  Quality of service is implemented for a particular data flow by
  mechanisms collectively called "traffic control".  These mechanisms
  include (1) a packet classifier, (2) admission control, and (3) a
  "packet scheduler" or some other link-layer-dependent mechanism to
  determine when particular packets are forwarded.  The "packet
  classifier" determines the QoS class (and perhaps the route) for each
  packet.  For each outgoing interface, the "packet scheduler" or other
  link-layer-dependent mechanism achieves the promised QoS.  Traffic
  control implements QoS service models defined by the Integrated
  Services Working Group.

  Because RSVP and the integrated services mark a significant change to
  the service model of IP networks, RSVP has received considerable
  interest and press in advance of its release as a standards track
  RFC.  At present, many vendors of operating systems and routers are
  incorporating RSVP and integrated services into their products for
  near-future availability.  The goal of the accompanying applicability
  statement is to describe those uses of the current RSVP specification
  that are known to be feasible, and to identify areas of known
  limitations.

Working Group Summary

  The documents have been extensively discussed in the rsvp working
  group and on various mailing lists.  The current set of documents
  accurately reflects working group consensus.  A few comments were
  received during IETF last-call about the clarity of some of the
  documents and about the security considerations sections.  The
  documents have been updated to reflect the comments.

Protocol Quality

  The documents were reviewed for the IESG by Scott Bradner and Allison
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IP over Cable Data Network Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Logical IP Subnetworks over IEEE 802.14 Services
	Author(s)	: M. Laubach
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ipcdn-ipover-802d14-00.txt
	Pages		: 13
	Date		: 1997-08-01
	
This memo defines an initial application of classical IP and ARP in
   an IEEE 802.14 Community Access Television (CATV) Residential Access
   Network environment.  IEEE 802.14 services provide two independent
   link layer service interfaces which are available to support IP
   residential access networking services: traditional Ethernet bridging
   (via IEEE 802.1D layer services) and residential ATM networking
   services.
 
   In this memo, the term Logical IP Subnetwork (LIS) is defined to
   apply to Classical IP over ATM LIS's operating over IEEE 802.14
   services as well as traditional IP over Ethernet operating over IEEE
   802.14 services.
 
   The recommendations in this draft rely on existing IETF standards for
   the family of Classical IP and ARP over ATM (IPOA) services and for
   IP and ARP over Broadcast Ethernet networks.  The tree-based
   hierarchic nature of the IEEE 802.14 MAC subnetwork permits
   convenient extensions to Classical IPOA model for broadcast and
   multicast in the downstream direction of the CATV plant.

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	Title		: PPP for Asynchronous PAD to Synchronous 
                          X.25 access
	Author(s)	: V. Khanna
	Filename	: draft-rfced-info-khana-00.txt
	Pages		: 6
	Date		: 1997-08-25
	
The PPP protocol allows data transfer thru asynchronous or synchronous
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	Title		: Soft State Switching 
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	Date		: 1997-08-25
	
This memo describes a mechanism for establishing a switched path with
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	Title		: MAPPING OF AIRLINE TRAFFIC OVER IP
	Author(s)	: A. Robert
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	Date		: 1997-08-25
	
This memo specifies a protocol for the encapsulation of the airline
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	Title		: Domain Name System Security Extensions
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	Pages		: 48
	Date		: 1997-08-25
	
Extensions to the Domain Name System (DNS) are described that provide
data integrity and authentication to security aware resolvers or
applications through the use of cryptographic digital signatures.
These digital signatures are included in secured zones as resource
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	8th Maryland Workshop on Very High Speed Networks
		  November 12-13, 1997
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The Maryland Center for Telecommunications  Research  (MCTR)   at
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I agree with these comments.
- Rather than having separate OIDs for options within a mechanism, the
mechanism should negotiate options on its own or through the context
requirement bits in the initial token.
- It is also useful to avoid an extra leg of authentication. In the
optimistic case SPNEGO should not cost any more round trips than the
mechanism it is negotiating.
- The policy for choosing a package really should be a local matter -
defining it just so it is easier to compare implementations isn't a good
enough reason.

I would like to see any changes to SPNEGO wrapped up quickly.

Mike Swift

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Marc Horowitz [SMTP:marc@cygnus.com]
> Sent:	Friday, August 22, 1997 1:12 PM
> To:	cat-ietf@mit.edu
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> 
> The snego-06 draft still has several problems.  Some are technical,
> others are just editorial. 
> 
> ** Severe technical problems (I believe these must be fixed before we
> go to last call):
> 
> In section 2, there is still text about specifying a single option to
> a mechanism by adding to the end of the mech OID.  I thought this was
> going to be removed.  This technique has two problems.  First, if you
> want to specify two options, you can't.  Second, there is nothing
> preventing the owner of a bit of OID arc from defining two mechanisms
> having OID's A.B.C.D and A.B.C.D.E.  This makes it impossible to
> distinguish the second mechanism from the first mechanism with option
> E.  In general, if we want to have a protocol for specifying mechanism
> options outside the mechanism, I think we should do so in such a way
> which does not require use of snego.
> 
> Section 3.1 describes the policy for the acceptor to choose a
> mechanism.  I thought we had decided that policy issues were a local
> matter.
> 
> Section 3.2: if the acceptor does not understand the negotiation
> mechanism, GSS_S_BAD_MECH, not GSS_S_FAILURE, should be returned.
> 
> In the current text, the mechListMic is only in the NegTokenTarg, not
> in the NegTokenInit.  This means that if the client provides the last
> token, then an additional message is necessary, just to carry the MIC.
> This is wasteful; mechListMIC should be in NegTokenInit, and the MIC
> should be in the same message as the final preferredToken, whether
> generated by the initiator or acceptor.
> 
> ** Minor technical problems (I believe these should be fixed, but they
> won't break the spec in any significant way if not):
> 
> The negResult field is unnecessary.  The initiator can determine if
> the acceptor accepted a mechanism by checking for the presence of the
> supportedMech field.  Even if it was necessary, having two accept
> values is redundant, as the initiator can tell from the underlying
> mechanisms's return value from GSS_Init_sec_context if additional
> further are necessary.
> 
> What is MechSpecInfo used for?  I'd like to hear a concrete example
> about how it is intended to be used, or see it removed from the draft.
> As far as I can tell, whenever this sort of functionality might be
> needed, it should be inside the preferredToken, and invisible to
> snego. 
> 
> ** Editorial issues:
> 
> In section 2, the draft describes negotiation tokens as "new GSS-API
> context-level tokens".  This is not accurate; they are simply
> mechanism context-level tokens, like any other.
> 
> Appendix A: the functions' descriptions should explain how the
> cred_handle is used by them.
> 
> 		Marc
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Notes from Common Authentication Technology (CAT) meeting, Munich
IETF, 13 August 1997, compiled by John Linn (with thanks to Rich
Graveman (Bellcore) for access to his notes from the session and 
to Cliff Neuman (ISI) for providing copies of his presentation 
slides in text form). (This version contains a few detail-level
clarifications relative to the previous draft sent to the mailing 
list, per comments received from WG members.) 

The CAT WG met for one session at the Munich IETF.  

REVIEW OF ONGOING WORK ITEMS: FTP SECURITY

FTP Security (draft-ietf-cat-ftpsec-09) is in IESG hands and had been
inadvertently delayed in its IESG consideration, but is reportedly on
the agenda to be considered for Proposed Standard status at the next
IESG conference call.

REVIEW OF ONGOING WORK ITEMS: GSS-V2 AND C BINDINGS

Re GSS-V2, the proposed approach is to integrate the RFC2078bis
changes list into an updated GSS-V2 base Internet-Draft during
September, and then (following a WG Last-Call period) to submit the
resulting RFC2078bis and the GSS C bindings as an aligned set to the
IESG, requesting their advancement to Proposed Standards; this
proposed approach was acceptable to session attendees.  No more
than very minor changes to the C bindings are anticipated.

REVIEW OF ONGOING WORK ITEMS: SNEGO

Approximately 6 attendees indicated that they had reviewed
draft-ietf-cat-snego-06; approximately 15 indicated familiarity with
this or previous snego versions.  It had been believed that
draft-ietf-cat-snego-06 represented WG consensus for advancement, but
Marc Horowitz (Cygnus) and Bill Sommerfeld (HP) indicated a position
that draft-ietf-cat-snego-06 does not reflect previously established
WG consensus in certain areas, and were to detail the specifics of
their dissent to the WG list during the IETF meeting week.  No other
snego-related comments were indicated in the session. Follow-up
discussion is underway on the mailing list.

FTP AND DSA, KEA/SKIPJACK

William Nace (NSA) presented a pair of recently-distributed documents,
concerning, respectively, FTP with DSA
(draft-ietf-cat-ftpdsaauth-00-txt), and FTP with KEA/Skipjack
algorithms (draft-ietf-cat-ftpkeaskj-00.txt).  Other contributors
include Peter Yee and Russ Housley.  Given the status of KEA/Skipjack
(currently classified), the document authors are targeting this
document for informational status. Discussion within the session
suggested informational status for the DSA document as well, but
(given the fact of unconstrained DSA specification) the DSA document
could be admissible for subsequent standards-track consideration by
the WG.  Approximately three attendees indicated familiarity with the
drafts; a concern was indicated that the algorithms applied may
constitute national-level solutions.

The DSA draft provides FIPS-196 authentication for FTP.  Unilateral
DSA signature-based authentication was discussed in the session,
though support for both unilateral and mutual cases is defined
within the specification. The KEA/Skipjack draft
provides confidentiality for both the data and command streams; labels
are also implemented.  Encrypted data are base-64 encoded.

KERBEROS PK-INIT AND PK-CROSS

Brian Tung (ISI) presented and discussed the recently-revised
kerberos-pk-init and kerberos-pk-cross drafts. Brian noted that
Kerberos open issues are being identified at
http://gost.isi.edu/info/kerberos.

KERBEROS PK-INIT AND PK-CROSS: PK-INIT

Approximately 4 attendees indicated they had read pk-init-04;
approximately 15 were familiar with one or more pk-init versions.
Document contributors include Ari Medvinsky and Matt Hur (CyberSafe),
Jon Trostle (Novell), Brian Tung and Cliff Neuman (ISI), and John Wray
(Digital). In draft-ietf-cat-kerberos-pk-init-04, a convention was
added for translating between X.500 and Kerberos names.  Mike Swift
(Microsoft) questioned why base-64 encoding was applied in name
translation rather than using the new name type being defined in
1510bis.  Ted Ts'o (MIT) observed that the base-64 approach avoids the
need to recognize X.500 semantics within Kerberos.

In pk-init-04, a client's realm comes from a certificate, not a KDC.
A client's principal name also comes from a certificate.  A KDC's
principal name was added as an X.509 v3 attribute.  Diffie-Hellman
specification was imported from PKCS #3, specification was added for
checksummed encryption, and more specific errors were defined.

Support within pk-init for SPEKE, an algorithm with which
approximately 3 attendees indicated familarity, had been proposed on
the mailing list. Ted Ts'o believed that SPEKE was patent-pending, but
terms were unknown; Cliff Neuman believed that patent or
patent-pending status should not be a bar to consideration as long as
an algorithm's implementation is not mandatory for conformance with
the specification.  Brian Tung is to continue discussion of SPEKE on
the mailing list.

Mike Swift observed that Microsoft's CAPI supports PKCS formats rather
than bare-level public-key encryption, and would like to be able to
support pk-init functions with PKCS-level objects.  Ted Ts'o agreed
that this suggestion appeared reasonable, noting the broad existing
base of code supporting PKCS formats. Brian Tung will raise this issue
to the list for further discussion.  A suggestion was made that use of
X.509 AltSubjectName be considered.

KERBEROS PK-INIT AND PK-CROSS: PK-CROSS

Brian Tung described draft-ietf-cat-kerberos-pk-cross-02 as including
minor changes relative to its predecessor.  Approximately 2 attendees
indicated that they had read pk-cross-02; approximately 7 indicated
familiarity with one or more pk-cross revisions.  In pk-cross-02, the
remote realm now determines the lifetime of a shared key.  Matt Hur
has suggested using pk-init to do pk-cross, which would be a major
change.  Mike Swift noted that Microsoft was evaluating usage of DNS
as a means to locate KDCs; this was considered to be a form of
existing practice which may warrant codification in RFC1510bis.  Mike
Swift also reiterated his recommendation, as made relevant to pk-init,
to allow public-key operations to be performed using PKCS objects.

KERBEROS-REVISIONS (RFC1510BIS)

Cliff Neuman (ISI) discussed status and issues relative to the
Kerberos RFC1510bis document, draft-ietf-cat-kerberos-revisions-00.
Approximately 4 attendees indicated that they had reviewed this draft.
Changes and issues had previously been summarized to the CAT list.  It
was noted in discussion that the currently pending issues list
includes the addition of key derivation procedures for 3DES support.

Document-related comments were solicited, to krb-protocol@mit.edu for
protocol-related issues and via http://gost.isi.edu/info/kerberos (as
also used for pk-init, pk-cross, and pktapp).  An HTML/SGML version is
in progress, targeted for completion by 1 September; its content will
correspond to a new I-D (kerberos-revisions-01) to be submitted.  As
revisions of the HTML versions proceed, corresponding I-Ds will also
be issued and will remain authoritative.

Major changes considered since the kerberos-revisions-00 I-D, and
discussed at the session, are:

- Authorization data field: Elements are of type AuthorizationData
(new terminology). New element types include: kdc-issued (checksummed
with application server's key, vouched for by the KDC of that
application server's realm), intended-for-server and
intended-for-application-class (identifying targets or sets thereof
for which a ticket is intended), if-relevant, and Boolean combinations
of authorization elements ("or" is currently proposed; "and" was
considered appropriate as well).

If a kdc-issued element occurs in an inter-realm environment, a
receiving KDC reads and (if acceptable) reissues the element; it is
not passed through without reissuance and, were a passed-through
element to occur, that element would be ignored.  Each of the
intended-for-server, intended-for-application-class, and if-relevant
attribute types carries a sequence of elements. If intended-for-server
or intended-for-application-class attributes are not understood at a
targeted recipient, their enclosing ticket is to be rejected; if
received elsewhere, they may be ignored. If if-relevant attributes are
not understood at a targeted recipient, they may be ignored. In the
interests of simplicity, and without perceived loss of needed
function, it was agreed in discussion that kdc-issued should be
limited to appear at the top nesting level only, and should not nest
recursively.

Backwards compatibility with existing code incapable of recognizing
these newly-defined elements was considered important; Cliff Neuman is
to propose text to the mailing list discussing the circumstances under
which these elements should be included.  One suggestion was that they
be included at the level of a ticket element.

- Extensions field to ticket: This is an optional sequence, allowing
additional data to be linked to the ticket so that it follows the
ticket throughout the system.  It is located in a ticket's cleartext
portion at the end of the ticket, is typed opaque, is linked from
within the authorization data field, and contains a flag as to whether
it is OK to be removed.  It can be used for PK-CROSS to distribute the
inter-realm key, or can be used to distribute authorization data which
is integrity protected but not confidential, plaintext ticket data, or
accompanying authorization credentials.  Placement of the extensions
field in the ticket's cleartext portion allows unnecessary encryption
of ancillary data to be avoided.

- Optional client version in pre-auth: This identifies the version of
kinit, in a manner considered analogous to an HTTP version string. The
intended concept is to use this for backwards compatibility when
changes are made.  These numbers are not registered and vendor
dependent; vendors or users of this field are admonished to pick
version identifiers unlikely to conflict with those of other vendors.
No corresponding server version identfier is provided, so as not to
advertise known and exploitable bugs.

RFC2078BIS, RFC1964 ISSUES

John Linn led discussion on some specific issues related to RFC2078bis
and RFC1964.

Specific items cited:

Re sequence number setup in RFC1964, John Wray's working proposal for
the context acceptor to use the initiator's ISN in the single-hop case
was accepted (recognizing that a separate reflection indicator is
included in the protocol).

Re gss_display_status and CONTINUE_NEEDED: some clarification was
desired as to whether these can be used together or not.  Some
existing implementations return CONTINUE_NEEDED when iterating through
successive messages returned from gss_display_status, but this had not
been contemplated in RFC-2078.  The sense of the discussion was that
CONTINUE_NEEDED should be returned only by gss_init_sec_context and
gss_accept_sec_context; this intent (along with commentary on the
residual portability issue) should be cited in RFC-2078bis and
defensive callers should ignore CONTINUE_NEEDED if returned by calls
other than gss_init_sec_context and gss_accept_sec_context.

If a name of the type GSS_C_NT_EXPORT_NAME is imported with an
unrecognized mechanism (OID) in the framing defined by Section 3.2,
GSS_S_BAD_MECH is to be returned."

RFC-2078 contains MIT arc OIDs for some, but not all, of the generic
name types; this was considered benign and the sense of the discussion
was to retain these OIDs to avoid backward compatibility issues.  For
the case of host-based service, where an IANA arc OID had been
assigned for use in preference to its predecessor MIT arc OID, it was
recommended that both OIDs be accepted with equivalent effect but that
the MIT arc OID be emitted on output; the sense of discussion was to
reverse the prior recommendation preferring the IANA arc OID over the
MIT arc OID representing the same type, in order to avoid backward
compatibility issues with existing implementations. 

RFC-2078bis needs (per discussion re snego) to add facilities for
informatory conf_req, integ_req inputs to gss_init_sec_context.

The conjunction of supplementary info bits and non-zero routine errors
was discussed briefly. The goal is to tighten up the list of possible
cases.  This topic was deferred to discussion on the list.

RFC1964 EXTENSIONS

Mike Swift solicited interest in two possible areas of extension to
RFC-1964, user-user authentication and initial authentication via a
dial-up access server.

Mike noted that user-user authentication would be useful for DCOM, and
suggested support for Kerberos user-user authentication as a
submechanism within RFC-1964.  Marc Horowitz believed that it would be
more appropriately supported as a separate mechanism with its own OID;
snego could be used to select between RFC-1964 Kerberos and a
user-user mechanism.  Generic resolution of name discovery for the
user-user environment was believed to be a difficult issue, but there
appeared to be interest in investigating and potentially drafting a
specification for user-user authentication support.

Mike also solicited interest in specification of initial
authentication via a dial-up server (as in pktapp), where an initial
request is forwarded through an access server.  Ted Ts'o commented
that Derek Atkins' Charon thesis had addressed essentially this
problem some years previously.

OTHER DISCUSSION

Bengt Ackzell (Generic Systems) noted that, per the Memphis CAT
minutes, IDUP had been planned for placement into WG Last Call
following the Munich meeting if no comments were pending.  Recent IDUP
on-list discussion has been quiet, the base specification has not been
recently revised, and issuance of corresponding C bindings remains
pending.  Upon further review, it appeared that further revision or
on-list discussion of pending comments was needed before proceeding.

--jl


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*****LAST CALL!!!!!!! LAST CALL!!!!!!!!*****

*****List closes 1600 PDT 29 August 1997****


[Steve - please reflect onto the IETF-Announce list]

[This document has some changes from prior announcements, note the change in 
the list of stocks for the selection process, also includes list of people 
with expiring terms. - Mike]

Hi -


As you may or may not know I've been tapped to head this years IAB/IESG 
nominating committee.  This is the second call for volunteers to participate 
as members of that committee.  If you would like to volunteer, please send me 
email (to stjohns@corp.home.net) with the phrase "NOMCOM VOLUNTEER" (yes - all 
caps) in your subject line indicating your desire to participate.  Please 
include your snail mail and phone numbers in the body of the message.  To be 
eligible to serve on the NOMCOM, you must have attended 2 of the last 3 IETFs.

Please make sure you can spend the time required to serve.  Although there 
won't be any face to face meetings except for the December IETF, you will have 
to spend about 2 hours a week on the phone during the 12 active weeks of the 
nominations process (starting around the December IETF) in teleconferences 
with the entire nominations committee.  You'll also be assigned various 
candidates to interview as part of the nominations process.  

Third and last call for volunteers will be next Wednesday, the 27th of August. 
 Cutoff for accepting volunteers will be as of 1600 PDT on the 29th of August 
- specifically, they have to be in my email box at that time. 

Once I've got the complete list of volunteers, I'll post it and also ask that 
the Secretariat verify eligibility.  The 10 members will be selected by lot 
based on the sales volume of 11 stocks as of the NASDAQ market close on 19 
September as reported in the San Jose Mercury News on 20 September 1997.

The procedure is as follows:

1) The Secretariat will provide the final list of eligibles listed in 
alphabetical order and numbered from 0 sequentially increasing and will mail 
this to the IETF and IETF-Announce list on or before the 17th of September.  

2) The sales volume figure for the NASDAQ most active stock on the 19th of 
Sept will be used to provide an initial offset into the list.  The 10,000s and 
1,000s digit from the volume figure will be used to generate a "random" number 
from 00 to 99 (e.g. if the sales figure is 345,009,234 shares, the number is 
09).  The actual offset into the list is calculated as  volnumber**5 mod the 
length of the list.  So if the volume number is 9, the length of the list is 
47, the offset would be 17.  

3) Each stock in turn will then be used to select a nomcom member from the 
list by using the same procedure of extracting the 10,000 and 1000 digits, 
raising them to the 5th power, adding that to the current position number and 
then taking that mod the length of the list.  So if the first of the listed 
stocks sales figure was 45,923,213 and the length of the list were 47 as 
above, then the volume number would be 23, and the final position on the list 
would be (17 + 23**5) mod 47 or 39.  The person with the number 39 
(remembering that the list is numbered from 0 this is actually the 40th 
person) would become the first member.

4) Step three is repeated continuing from the current position on the list 
until all 10 members are selected.

5) In the event that there is a duplicate selection,simply continue down the 
list sequentially until you find a person who has not been selected.  Continue 
the process from that position on the list.

6) If the most active stock is also one of the stocks I list for the 
selection, it will be used twice, once for the initial offset, and once for 
selecting a member.

7) The figures as reported in the SJMercury News are the official figures.  In 
the event of a disagreement between the numbers in the SJMercury and any other 
publication, the SJMercury figures will be considered correct.

8) If any stock is not listed in the 20 September 1997 edition of the paper, 
OR HAS LESS THAN 100,000 in sales for the day, 
it will be replaced in order by one of the alternate stocks IN ITS PLACE - 
e.g. the other stocks on the list will retain their specific positions, rather 
than having the stock deleted and having the alternate stock added to the end 
of the list.

9) The list of stocks is as follows:

Member 1) Apple Computer (reported as AppleC)
	2) TCI Incorporated - Ticker: TCOMA (Replaces @Home)
	3) Cisco Systems (reported as Cisco)
	4) Cyber Cash 	(reported as CybrCsh)
	5) Excite	(reported as Excite)
	6) Intel	(reported as Intel)
	7) MCI	(reported as MCI)
	8) Microsoft (reported as Microsft)
	9) Netcom (reported as Netcom)
	10) Netscape 	(reported as Netscpe)

Alternate 1) Quantum 
	2) 3Com
	3) Yahoo

Expiring Terms:

I believe these are the folks who's terms expire in March '98

In the IESG:

Fred Baker		IETF Chair
Jeff Burgan		Internet
Joel Halpern		Routing	
Keith Moore		Applications
Mike O'Dell		Operations & Management
Joyce K. Reynolds	User Services
Allyn Romanow		Transport
Jeff Schiller		Security


In the IAB:

Brian Carpenter
Steve Bellovin
Jon Crowcroft
Robert Elz
John Klensin
Radia Perlman











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		*****LAST CALL!!!!!!! LAST CALL!!!!!!!!*****

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[This document has some changes from prior announcements, note the change in
the list of stocks for the selection process, also includes list of people
with expiring terms. - Mike]

Hi -


As you may or may not know I've been tapped to head this years IAB/IESG
nominating committee.  This is the second call for volunteers to
participate as members of that committee.  If you would like to
volunteer, please send me email (to stjohns@corp.home.net) with the
phrase "NOMCOM VOLUNTEER" (yes - all caps) in your subject line
indicating your desire to participate.  Please include your snail mail
and phone numbers in the body of the message.  To be eligible to serve
on the NOMCOM, you must have attended 2 of the last 3 IETFs.

Please make sure you can spend the time required to serve.  Although
there won't be any face to face meetings except for the December IETF,
you will have to spend about 2 hours a week on the phone during the 12
active weeks of the nominations process (starting around the December
IETF) in teleconferences with the entire nominations committee.  You'll
also be assigned various candidates to interview as part of the
nominations process.

Third and last call for volunteers will be next Wednesday, the 27th of
August.
 Cutoff for accepting volunteers will be as of 1600 PDT on the 29th of
 August - specifically, they have to be in my email box at that time.

Once I've got the complete list of volunteers, I'll post it and also
ask that the Secretariat verify eligibility.  The 10 members will be
selected by lot based on the sales volume of 11 stocks as of the NASDAQ
market close on 19 September as reported in the San Jose Mercury News
on 20 September 1997.

The procedure is as follows:

1) The Secretariat will provide the final list of eligibles listed in
alphabetical order and numbered from 0 sequentially increasing and will
mail this to the IETF and IETF-Announce list on or before the 17th of
September.

2) The sales volume figure for the NASDAQ most active stock on the 19th
of Sept will be used to provide an initial offset into the list.  The
10,000s and 1,000s digit from the volume figure will be used to
generate a "random" number from 00 to 99 (e.g. if the sales figure is
345,009,234 shares, the number is 09).  The actual offset into the list
is calculated as  volnumber**5 mod the length of the list.  So if the
volume number is 9, the length of the list is 47, the offset would be
17.

3) Each stock in turn will then be used to select a nomcom member from
the list by using the same procedure of extracting the 10,000 and 1000
digits, raising them to the 5th power, adding that to the current
position number and then taking that mod the length of the list.  So if
the first of the listed stocks sales figure was 45,923,213 and the
length of the list were 47 as above, then the volume number would be
23, and the final position on the list would be (17 + 23**5) mod 47 or
39.  The person with the number 39 (remembering that the list is
numbered from 0 this is actually the 40th person) would become the
first member.

4) Step three is repeated continuing from the current position on the
list until all 10 members are selected.

5) In the event that there is a duplicate selection,simply continue
down the list sequentially until you find a person who has not been
selected.  Continue the process from that position on the list.

6) If the most active stock is also one of the stocks I list for the
selection, it will be used twice, once for the initial offset, and once
for selecting a member.

7) The figures as reported in the SJMercury News are the official
figures.  In the event of a disagreement between the numbers in the
SJMercury and any other publication, the SJMercury figures will be
considered correct.

8) If any stock is not listed in the 20 September 1997 edition of the
paper, OR HAS LESS THAN 100,000 in sales for the day, it will be
replaced in order by one of the alternate stocks IN ITS PLACE - e.g.
the other stocks on the list will retain their specific positions,
rather than having the stock deleted and having the alternate stock
added to the end of the list.

9) The list of stocks is as follows:

Member 1) Apple Computer (reported as AppleC)
	2) TCI Incorporated - Ticker: TCOMA (Replaces @Home)
	3) Cisco Systems (reported as Cisco)
	4) Cyber Cash   (reported as CybrCsh)
	5) Excite       (reported as Excite)
	6) Intel        (reported as Intel)
	7) MCI  (reported as MCI)
	8) Microsoft (reported as Microsft)
	9) Netcom (reported as Netcom)
	10) Netscape    (reported as Netscpe)

Alternate 1) Quantum
	2) 3Com
	3) Yahoo

Expiring Terms:

I believe these are the folks who's terms expire in March '98

In the IESG:

Fred Baker              IETF Chair
Jeff Burgan             Internet
Joel Halpern            Routing
Keith Moore             Applications
Mike O'Dell             Operations & Management
Joyce K. Reynolds       User Services
Allyn Romanow           Transport
Jeff Schiller           Security


In the IAB:

Brian Carpenter
Steve Bellovin
Jon Crowcroft
Robert Elz
John Klensin
Radia Perlman

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After reviewing a pile of 406 messages waiting for me, I am giving a top
priority to the messages along SNEGO. I have taken a quick look at these
messages.

First of all, I am grateful to Bill for his upfront statement :

"First, I would like to apologize for not having had the time to review
snego-06 until the time of the meeting in munich; unfortunately, since
the last IETF, my job has involved very little work related to GSSAPI
or other CAT-area standards."

Unfortunately, I did not get a similar statement from Marc.  :-(

John Linn wrote in a mesage from August 18 :

" I'd like to propose the following plan on behalf of the WG: the
concerns mentioned at the meeting (accompanied, if possible, by specific
proposed changes to snego-06 text in order to reconcile those concerns)
are to be identified to the mailing list no later than Wednesday, 27
August in order to enable review and discussion by the snego-06 document
editors and the WG generally."

At this time I would appreciate specific proposed changes to the current
text. See later.

> In section 2, there is still text about specifying a single option to
> a mechanism by adding to the end of the mech OID.  I thought this was
> going to be removed.  This technique has two problems.  First, if you
> want to specify two options, you can't.  Second, there is nothing
> preventing the owner of a bit of OID arc from defining two mechanisms
> having OID's A.B.C.D and A.B.C.D.E.  This makes it impossible to
> distinguish the second mechanism from the first mechanism with option
> E.  In general, if we want to have a protocol for specifying mechanism
> options outside the mechanism, I think we should do so in such a way
> which does not require use of snego.


I agree in principle with his comment but since that section is more
than one page long, I would like to know where a change should be done
and what kind of change would be satisfactory for Marc.

> Section 3.1 describes the policy for the acceptor to choose a
> mechanism.  I thought we had decided that policy issues were a local
> matter.

About the section 3.2. concerning the policy for the acceptor, Marc
thought that we had decided that policy issues were a local matter.
IMHO, this has been one opinion raised a long time ago. Since then,
several arguments have been exchanged which resulted in an algorithm
which is described as the result of the discussion and at that time no
one has complained. I am reluctant to re-open the discussion on this
matter at this time.

> Section 3.2: if the acceptor does not understand the negotiation
> mechanism, GSS_S_BAD_MECH, not GSS_S_FAILURE, should be returned.

O.K.

> In the current text, the mechListMic is only in the NegTokenTarg, not
> in the NegTokenInit.  This means that if the client provides the last
> token, then an additional message is necessary, just to carry the MIC.
> This is wasteful; mechListMIC should be in NegTokenInit, and the MIC
> should be in the same message as the final preferredToken, whether
> generated by the initiator or acceptor.

Bill adds at that matter:

> Most importantly, the showstopper issue is that -06 adds an
> unnecessary message to the exchange if the last message in the
> underlying mechanism is in the initiator->acceptor direction.  while I
> don't have my notes handy, if I recall correctly, the `mechListMic
> OPTIONAL' field was present in both message types (or perhaps in all
> messages save the first, with the 2nd and subsequent i->a messages
> using NegTokenTarg to encapsulate the inner mechanism; I believe we
> discussed both possibilities).

I read these messages twice and I have difficulties to understand the
rational. May be my brain is still close by the Indian Ocean (where I
had my vacations) while my body is in my office :-)

I am not very keen to incorporate the OPTIONAL mechListMIC in
NegTokenInit. When mechListMIC is in NegTokenTarg it is computed with
the agreed mechanism, so it can always be there and useful. When
mechListMIC is in the NegTokenInit, it is computed with the preferred
mechanism from the client that can be not supported by the target and
thus be unuseful.  

Anyway if Marc, Bill or some one else feels that it is a very important
matter, could they provide an example first and then some more arguments
?

> The negResult field is unnecessary.  The initiator can determine if
> the acceptor accepted a mechanism by checking for the presence of the
> supportedMech field.  Even if it was necessary, having two accept
> values is redundant, as the initiator can tell from the underlying
> mechanisms's return value from GSS_Init_sec_context if additional
> further are necessary.

As far as I recall, negResult had originally two values that were
expanded to three values as the result of a question raised by John
Linn. I have not browsed through all my E-mails to find it but simply
speaking, I would expect that removing it would raised the concern of
John Linn again. May be it would be good to add the rational for the
existence of the three values (May John help on that topic ?) In any
case removing would not be the right solution.

> What is MechSpecInfo used for?  I'd like to hear a concrete example
> about how it is intended to be used, or see it removed from the draft.
> As far as I can tell, whenever this sort of functionality might be
> needed, it should be inside the preferredToken, and invisible to
> snego. 

You asked for an example. Here it is : we use it to transmit one or more
X.509 Certificates, that can be useful for the client as it avoids a
lookup in a Directory, prior to any exchange of mechanism specific
tokens.

> In section 2, the draft describes negotiation tokens as "new GSS-API
> context-level tokens".  This is not accurate; they are simply
> mechanism context-level tokens, like any other.

O.K.

> Appendix A: the functions' descriptions should explain how the
> cred_handle is used by them.

Could you explain more and provide text about it ?


Denis

 
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     This document specifies a structural organization of Internet top
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                          Multicast over UNI 3.0/3.1 based ATM Networks
	Author(s)	: M. Greene, C. Chung
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ion-mars-mib-02.txt
	Pages		: 63
	Date		: 1997-08-26
	
   This memo defines an experimental portion of the Management
   Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in
   the Internet community.  In particular, it describes managed objects
   for IP hosts and routers that use a Multicast Address Resolution
   Server (MARS) to support IP multicast over ATM, as described in
   'Support for Multicast over UNI 3.0/3.1 based ATM Networks' [1].

   This memo specifies a MIB module in a manner that is both compliant
   to the SNMPv2 SMI, and semantically identical to the peer SNMPv1
   definitions.

   This memo does not specify a standard for the Internet community.

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	Title		: Tunnel Set-up Protocol (TSP)
	Author(s)	: G. Montenegro
	Filename	: draft-montenegro-tsp-00.txt
	Pages		: 19
	Date		: 26-Aug-97
	
   Remote access over the internet and IP mobility are currently being
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	Title		: RADIUS Accounting Server MIB
	Author(s)	: B. Aboba, G. Zorn
	Filename	: draft-ietf-radius-acc-servmib-00.txt
	Pages		: 10
	Date		: 26-Aug-97
	
This memo defines a set of extensions which instrument RADIUS 
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	Title		: RSVP Cryptographic Authentication
	Author(s)	: F. Baker
	Filename	: draft-ietf-rsvp-md5-05.txt
	Pages		: 15
	Date		: 1997-08-26
	
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	Title		: Anonymous SASL Mechanism
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	Filename	: draft-ietf-acap-anon-01.txt
	Pages		: 4
	Date		: 1997-08-26
	
     It is common practice on the Internet to permit anonymous access to
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	Title		: Capabilities Exchange over SMTP
	Author(s)	: N. Joffe, D. Wing
	Filename	: draft-wing-smtp-capabilities-00.txt
	Pages		: 7
	Date		: 1997-08-26
	
This document describes an extension to SMTP [RFC821] which provides a
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	Title		: End-to-End Throughput and Response Time Testing 
                         With HTTP User Agents and the JavaScript Language
	Author(s)	: H. Stanislevic
	Filename	: draft-rfced-info-stanislevic-00.txt
	Pages		: 19
	Date		: 25-Aug-97
	
This memo describes two simple metrics and a methodology for testing
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From: John Linn <linn@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: SNEGO
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At 03:58 PM 8/27/97 -0700, Denis Pinkas wrote, excerpting:

>> The negResult field is unnecessary.  The initiator can determine if
>> the acceptor accepted a mechanism by checking for the presence of the
>> supportedMech field.  Even if it was necessary, having two accept
>> values is redundant, as the initiator can tell from the underlying
>> mechanisms's return value from GSS_Init_sec_context if additional
>> further are necessary.
>
>As far as I recall, negResult had originally two values that were
>expanded to three values as the result of a question raised by John
>Linn. I have not browsed through all my E-mails to find it but simply
>speaking, I would expect that removing it would raised the concern of
>John Linn again. May be it would be good to add the rational for the
>existence of the three values (May John help on that topic ?) In any
>case removing would not be the right solution.
>

I think the following is the point I'd made (in April, against then-current
snego-04) which led to adding a third value for negResult. 

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:01:41 -0400
From: John Linn
<linn@cam.ov.com>

Here are some comments and questions on snego-04:

A
fairly subtle point strikes me regarding the 4th paragraph on page
3.
Consider the possibility that the target accepts the preferred
mechanism
but does not perform optimistic negotiation so doesn't
process the enclosed
preferredToken; such a target would respond with
a negResult of "accept"
and a supportedMech indicating the preferred
mechanism.  For the case of a
preferred mechanism which (a) employs a
single-token context setup and (b)
does not support the integrity
facility which would cause a mechListMIC to
be generated and enclosed,
how does the initiator disambiguate whether such
a reply constitutes
successfully completed context establishment or whether
it must
instead resend (or regenerate) the mechanism's token for transfer
in
what one might describe as "pessimistic fallback mode"?

--jl
 
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From: Martin Rex <martin.rex@sap-ag.de>
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:48:29 +0200 (MESZ)
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Denis Pinkas wrote:
> Marc Horowitz wrote:
> > Section 3.1 describes the policy for the acceptor to choose a
> > mechanism.  I thought we had decided that policy issues were a local
> > matter.
> 
> About the section 3.2. concerning the policy for the acceptor, Marc
> thought that we had decided that policy issues were a local matter.
> IMHO, this has been one opinion raised a long time ago. Since then,
> several arguments have been exchanged which resulted in an algorithm
> which is described as the result of the discussion and at that time no
> one has complained. I am reluctant to re-open the discussion on this
> matter at this time.

Here's what I remember:
You had an explicit policy for how to select a common mechanism
in your document and Mike Swift brought up a strong argument against it.
I think it was something like: "Microsoft would like to use a different
policy for selection and when retaining an explicit selection policy in
the spec, this would make their implementation "non-conforming".
But a mandated selection policy is not needed for interoperability.

I don't remember any substantial argument for mandating an explicit
selection policy from the discussion on the list, so I would agree
with Marc: there is "rough consensus" for making it a local matter,
since the valid argument against mandating it wasn't removed.
It may be that this was never "formally summarized" and listed as
a pending issue against your draft until Marc's latest comment.

> 
> > Section 3.2: if the acceptor does not understand the negotiation
> > mechanism, GSS_S_BAD_MECH, not GSS_S_FAILURE, should be returned.
> 
> O.K.
> 
> > In the current text, the mechListMic is only in the NegTokenTarg, not
> > in the NegTokenInit.  This means that if the client provides the last
> > token, then an additional message is necessary, just to carry the MIC.
> > This is wasteful; mechListMIC should be in NegTokenInit, and the MIC
> > should be in the same message as the final preferredToken, whether
> > generated by the initiator or acceptor.
> 
> Bill adds at that matter:
> 
> > Most importantly, the showstopper issue is that -06 adds an
> > unnecessary message to the exchange if the last message in the
> > underlying mechanism is in the initiator->acceptor direction.  while I
> > don't have my notes handy, if I recall correctly, the `mechListMic
> > OPTIONAL' field was present in both message types (or perhaps in all
> > messages save the first, with the 2nd and subsequent i->a messages
> > using NegTokenTarg to encapsulate the inner mechanism; I believe we
> > discussed both possibilities).
> 
> I read these messages twice and I have difficulties to understand the
> rational. May be my brain is still close by the Indian Ocean (where I
> had my vacations) while my body is in my office :-)
> 
> I am not very keen to incorporate the OPTIONAL mechListMIC in
> NegTokenInit. When mechListMIC is in NegTokenTarg it is computed with
> the agreed mechanism, so it can always be there and useful. When
> mechListMIC is in the NegTokenInit, it is computed with the preferred
> mechanism from the client that can be not supported by the target and
> thus be unuseful.  

It is about as useless as the optimistic token.  If the optimistic
token is useful, then the mechListMIC is equally useful.  The whole point
about the optimistic stuff is to retain the minimum number of exchanges
that would be required even without spnego.  The "protected negotiation"
was proposed after the "optimistic negotiation", and therefore applying
optimistic protection of the negotiation seems rather logical to me.
I'm more an gssapi application user than a gssapi mechanism
provider and hesitant to touch ASN.1 compilers, so I didn't
examine the details in this part of the spec -- I'm sorry.

> 
> Anyway if Marc, Bill or some one else feels that it is a very important
> matter, could they provide an example first and then some more arguments
> ?

Since I'm not going to implement spnego in the forseeable future and
can't comment on the ASN.1-related impact on complexity,
let me at least state that the request sounds very reasonable to me.

> 
> > What is MechSpecInfo used for?  I'd like to hear a concrete example
> > about how it is intended to be used, or see it removed from the draft.
> > As far as I can tell, whenever this sort of functionality might be
> > needed, it should be inside the preferredToken, and invisible to
> > snego. 
> 
> You asked for an example. Here it is : we use it to transmit one or more
> X.509 Certificates, that can be useful for the client as it avoids a
> lookup in a Directory, prior to any exchange of mechanism specific
> tokens.

Your example is certainly a valid goal.  Using an otherwise semantically
undefined field in the spec might not be the best approach.  The spec
should provide for broad interoperability.  Having a field with no
semantics is bound to cause interoperability problems.  In case
that field is to be retained at all, it should receive an additional
identifier for the acutal contents where specific semantics can be
indicated (at least one may have to be documented to justify the
existence of the field...).  I agree with Marc; extenstions that
are completely implementation defined should preferably be
completely hidden in the implementation.


-Martin
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There has been a lot of coverage in the press recently about the
relationship of S/MIME and the IETF. The purpose of this note is to
clarify the situation from my perspective and to show the way into the
future.

Back last April at the Memphis meeting I attended and addressed the 2nd
S/MIME BOF session. As you are probably aware, the IETF process permits
a group of people to meet as a BOF for two session prior to either
disbanding or deciding to propose a charter for a formal IETF Working
Group. The primary purpose of BOF sessions is to gauge interest in the
standardization of a solution for a particular technology problem.

At that BOF meeting I informed the group of the ground rules and
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charter a Working Group in the S/MIME arena. To push things along I
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a proposed charter or decide to not pursue an S/MIME within the IETF
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At the recent Munich meeting a BOF was held on "Open PGP" and that
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Working Group. That effort is ongoing.

Since then the S/MIME proponents have come back to me claiming that
they misunderstood the nature of the July 1st deadline and expnessed an
interest in pursuing an S/MIME Working Group charter.

Given that some of the key S/MIME participants were not pnesent at the
meeting in Memphis and the results of that meeting were variously
reported, it is quite possible that reasonable people misunderstood
what was required.

The IESG discussed this situation at our teleconference this morning
and we agreed on the following position:

1. We are pnepared to set aside the July 1st deadline on the grounds
   that there is sufficient confusion that reasonable people may not
   have understood what was required.

2. Before the IESG would consider chartering a working group on S/MIME
   RSA Data Security (or appropriate parent company) needs to execute
   an agreement with the Internet Society along the lines of the
   agreement between Sun Microsystems and the ISOC as documented in
   RFC1790.

3. Note: The IESG/IAB is not making a commitment to charter the group
   at this time. Point (2) is a pne-requisite, not a quid-pro-quo.  At
   such time that a charter is proposed to the IESG/IAB, we will
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	Title		: SPKI: ShrinkWrap
	Author(s)	: W. Simpson, A. Keromytis
	Filename	: draft-simpson-spki-shrinkwrap-00.txt
	Pages		: 7
	Date		: 28-Aug-97
	
   This protocol facilitates the use of Simple Public Key Infrastructure
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	Title		: Integrated Services Management Information Base
	Author(s)	: F. Baker, J. Krawczyk
	Filename	: draft-ietf-intserv-mib-10.txt
	Pages		: 29
	Date		: 28-Aug-97
	
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	Title		: Layer Two Tunneling Protocol 'L2TP'
	Author(s)	: W. Palter, T. Kolar, G. Pall, M. Littlewood, 
                          A. Valencia, K. Hamzeh, W. Verthein, 
                          J. Taarud, W. Townsley
	Filename	: draft-ietf-pppext-l2tp-06.txt
	Pages		: 79
	Date		: 1997-08-28
	
Virtual dial-up allows many separate and autonomous protocol domains
   to share common access infrastructure including modems, Access
   Servers, and ISDN routers.  RFC1661 specifies multiprotocol dial-up
   via PPP [1].  This document describes the Layer Two Tunneling
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   divorce the location of the initial dial-up server from the location
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	Title		: Responder-Initiated Shortcut Path Protocol (RISP)
	Author(s)	: Y. Chen, J. Ogawa
	Filename	: draft-ogawa-responder-shortcut-path-00.txt
	Pages		: 
	Date		: 28-Aug-97
	
     This memo describes a peer-to-peer protocol to set up shortcut
     paths in an environment where an internetworking (L3) protocol,
     such as IP, overlays a link-layer (L2) protocol such as ATM.  In
     such a network, L3 routing is the default mechanism for data
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	Title		: Originator-Info Message Header
	Author(s)	: C. Newman
	Filename	: draft-newman-msgheader-originfo-02.txt
	Pages		: 7
	Date		: 1997-08-28
	
This proposal is an attempt to provide a standard header to
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	Title		: Directory Schema Listing Requirements
	Author(s)	: C. Apple
	Filename	: draft-apple-schema-rqmts-list-01.txt
	Pages		: 12
	Date		: 1997-08-28
	
This memo documents requirements for listing directory services
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	Title		: Authentication for DHCP Messages
	Author(s)	: R. Droms
	Filename	: draft-ietf-dhc-authentication-04.txt
	Pages		: 8
	Date		: 28-Aug-97
	
   The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) [1] provides a
   framework for passing configuration information to hosts on a TCP/IP
   network.  In some situations, network administrators may wish to
   constrain the allocation of addresses to authorized hosts.
   Additionally, some network administrators may wish to provide for
   authentication of the source and contents of DHCP messages.  This
   document defines a new DHCP option through which authorization
   tickets can be easily generated and newly attached hosts with proper
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[Steve please reflect onto the IETF-Announce list]

I've been approached by a few of the statisticians in our ranks who have 
pointed out some possible biases in the mechanism for generating the next 
nom-com.  Specifically that for certain lengths of the candidate list, certain 
people on the list (when ordered alphabetically) have a much greater chance of 
being selected.  So... here's version two.  Still uses the stock market, but 
needs double the number of stocks to get enough randomness.  

The 10 members will be selected by lot based on the sales volume of 21 stocks 
as of the NASDAQ market close on 19 September as reported in the San Jose 
Mercury News on 20 September 1997.

The procedure is as follows:

1) The Secretariat will provide the final list of eligibles listed in 
alphabetical order and numbered from 0 sequentially increasing and will mail 
this to the IETF and IETF-Announce list on or before the 17th of September.  

2) The sales volume figure for the NASDAQ most active stock on the 19th of 
Sept will be used to provide an initial offset into the list.  The 100,000s, 
10,000s, 1,000s and 100s digits from the volume figure will be used to 
generate a "random" number from 0000 to 9999 (e.g. if the sales figure is 
345,209,234 shares, the number is 2092).  The actual offset into the list is 
calculated as  volnumber mod the length of the list.  So if the volume number 
is 2092, the length of the list is 47, the offset would be 24.  

3) Each pair of  stocks in turn will then be used to select a nomcom member 
from the list by using the same procedure of extracting the 10,000s,  1,000s, 
and 100s digits from the first stock and concatenating them with the same 
digits from the second stock to give a number from 000000 to 999999, adding 
that to the current position number and then taking that mod the length of the 
list.  So if the first of the listed stocks sales figure was 45,923,213, the 
second was 190,231, and  the length of the list was 47 as above, then the 
volume number would be 232902, and the final position on the list would be 
(24+23902) mod 47 or 41.  The person with the number 41 (remembering that the 
list is numbered from 0 this is actually the 42nd 
person) would become the first member.

4) Step three is repeated continuing from the current position on the list 
until all 10 members are selected.

5) In the event that there is a duplicate selection,simply continue down the 
list sequentially until you find a person who has not been selected.  Continue 
the process from that position on the list.

6) If the most active stock is also one of the stocks I list for the 
selection, it will be used twice, once for the initial offset, and once for 
selecting a member.

7) The figures as reported in the SJMercury News (stock listings, not Market 
Roundup) are the official figures.  In the event of a disagreement between the 
numbers in the SJMercury and any other publication, the SJMercury figures will 
be considered correct. 

8) If any stock is not listed in the 20 September 1997 edition of the paper, 
it will be replaced in order by one of the alternate stocks IN ITS PLACE - 
e.g. the other stocks on the list will retain their specific positions, rather 
than having the stock deleted and having the alternate stock added to the end 
of the list.

9) The list of stocks is as follows:

Member 1) Apple Computer (reported as AppleC) & Ascend
	2) TCI Incorporated - (reported as TeleComA) & Micro Age
	3) Cisco Systems (reported as Cisco) & Intuit
	4) Biogen & Dell Computer (reported as DellCpt)
	5) Excite	(reported as Excite) & UglyDuck
	6) Intel	(reported as Intel) & Qualcom
	7) MCI	(reported as MCI) & Adobe Systems (reported as AdobeSy)
	8) Microsoft (reported as Microsft) & Infoseek
	9) Netcom (reported as Netcom) & Cirrus
	10) Netscape 	(reported as Netscpe) & CompuServe (reported as CmpuSrv)

Alternate 1) Quantum 
	2) 3Com
	3) Yahoo


Sample numbers from the 29 August SJMercury

 Most active: Altera - 18349500 == 3495
1) 542544
2) 158772
3) 383596
4) 468349
5) 205069
6) 544218
7) 020558
8) 552796
9) 976000
10) 278829




Expiring Terms:

I believe these are the folks who's terms expire in March '98

In the IESG:

Fred Baker		IETF Chair
Jeff Burgan		Internet
Joel Halpern		Routing	
Keith Moore		Applications
Mike O'Dell		Operations & Management
Joyce K. Reynolds	User Services
Allyn Romanow		Transport
Jeff Schiller		Security


In the IAB:

Brian Carpenter
Steve Bellovin
Jon Crowcroft
Robert Elz
John Klensin
Radia Perlman





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Circa 10:11 AM -0700 8/29/97, Mike St. Johns bitwhacked:
>I've been approached by a few of the statisticians in our ranks who have
>pointed out some possible biases in the mechanism for generating the next
>nom-com.

Technology is fun but when it gets complicated it has unintended consequences.

I like the approach of having an unimpeachable, disinterested person pick
names out of a hat.  Then you only have to worry about having the slips of
paper the same size, mixing them up well, and holding the hat high enough.

	Bob


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   From: Joe Salowey <joes@wrq.com>
   Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:52:55 -0700

   I'm trying to find out if there is a spec or implementation of telnet
   that uses kerberos via GSSAPI.  I've heard rumors that one exists and
   I've also heard that it's not possible.  Any information would be
   appreciated.

There certainly isn't a public specification for how it would be done.  

Some folks at (I think) TIS were looking into doing a telnet
implementation that would use GSSAPI as part of the FORTEZZA project,
but I don't know if that ever got anywhere or not.

The problem with using GSSAPI with the telnet protocol is that you
really somewhich can handle efficient encryption of a stream, and GSSAPI
is very block-oriented.  You could call gss_wrap() for every character,
but there might be as much as a 32 byte (or even higher) overhead PER
CHARACTER.   This is definitely something you wouldn't want to use over
a dialup connection!

As a result, the published specification for how to use Kerberos with
telent does not use the GSSAPI, but instead uses Kerberos to negotiate
the session key, and then uses DES directly to handle the encryption of
the stream.  

One could do the same with the GSSAPI --- use GSSAPI to set up a
security context, then using crypto code outside the GSSAPI library,
generate a random session key, which is sent over the wire using
gss_wrap(), and then encrypt the rest of the session using that key and
crypto code which is all outside the GSSAPI.  However, you lose a lot of
the point of the GSSAPI by doing this, so why bother?

						- Ted

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   I like the approach of having an unimpeachable, disinterested person pick
   names out of a hat.  Then you only have to worry about having the slips of
   paper the same size, mixing them up well, and holding the hat high enough.

That works fine as long as you can find someone which is unimeachable to
everyone in the IETF.  We tried using a local clergy person but people
still didn't believe that the fix wasn't in.  I suppose we could use a
committe of clerics from (say) Islam, Eastern Orthordox, Roman Cathlog,
and Jewish faiths.  Now how do you find someone to represent those of
agnostic or atheistic pursuasions?  :-)

						- Ted
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> Now how do you find someone to represent those of
> agnostic or atheistic pursuasions?  :-)
> 
> 						- Ted


Here come da' judge..

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At 10:11 AM -0700 8/29/97, Mike St. Johns wrote:
>I've been approached by a few of the statisticians in our ranks who have
>pointed out some possible biases in the mechanism for generating the next
>nom-com.

Gee whiz; some of your predecessors (most of them, I think) wrote the names
on equal-sized bits of paper, put them in a hat, and got some
reputed-to-be-trustworthy soul to pull out the requisite number. We're
getting to the point that we need to go on the Lotto TV show, write the
names on golf balls, and have the world watch while a dozen or so randomly
bounce out of a juggling cage - to the sound of some guy in the audience
wondering aloud if all the balls were identical. Seems like we're putting
as much work into the selection procedure for the nomcom than the nomcom
will put into the selection of nominees :^)

A call for peace here: I think there are quite a few folks who themselves
are trying very hard to be above reproach, and who are getting very little
trust or support from the rest of us. The remarks of one Jim Fleming come
to mind; if the folks in leadership positions in the IETF and IANA were
doing 1% of what he can't seem to send a single email without accusing them
of, they would all be in jail for long sentences and there would be nothing
left to discuss.

I'll vouch for Mike's integrity here; I wouldn't have recommended him for
the job without being able to do so without a thought. There's no
ballot-box-fixing going on here. Can he, please, just get the right number
of names picked and get on with it?

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Wasn't there a suggestion that a "quality of service" option be used
to provide a way to tell the GSSAPI layer to do low-data-overhead
encryption?  I think it's on the list of things I've heard mentioned
as "really should get written up some day"...
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> At 10:11 AM -0700 8/29/97, Mike St. Johns wrote:
> >I've been approached by a few of the statisticians in our ranks who have
> >pointed out some possible biases in the mechanism for generating the next
> >nom-com.
> 
> Gee whiz; some of your predecessors (most of them, I think) wrote the names
> on equal-sized bits of paper, put them in a hat, and got some
> reputed-to-be-trustworthy soul to pull out the requisite number. We're
> getting to the point that we need to go on the Lotto TV show, write the
> names on golf balls, and have the world watch while a dozen or so randomly
> bounce out of a juggling cage - to the sound of some guy in the audience
> wondering aloud if all the balls were identical. Seems like we're putting
> as much work into the selection procedure for the nomcom than the nomcom
> will put into the selection of nominees :^)



Hi Fred - I didn't really take it as an affront to my integrity, as opposed to my ability to do statistics!  Based on the language in the current poised ID, I wanted to create an algorithm that was without bias and independently verifiable.  The first go around had the property that for certain list lengths, it was heavily biased towards certain slots on the list.  So the algorithm had to go.  

The statistician says:

 There's still a bias toward including sets of
alphabetically consecutive people: for a pool of around 50, on
average 0.9 members will be chosen because they came alphabetically
next after someone who was previously chosen.  However, any bias for
or against specific individuals is down to the level of 0.005%.  For
a pool of around 100, cut the 0.9 in half and double the 0.005%.

--------

Given that the length of the list is also a random number, I think we can live with the small (10e-4) bias. 

Unless there's a great outcry, this is the algorithm for this years go around.

Mike


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[ Fred Baker wrote: ]
.  .  .
} I'll vouch for Mike's integrity here; I wouldn't have recommended him for
} the job without being able to do so without a thought. There's no
} ballot-box-fixing going on here. Can he, please, just get the right number
} of names picked and get on with it?


Just a thought - consider what happens if the level of
hassle is such that not enough people want the grief and
we end up with fewer candidates than positions. Wouldn't
that be a hoot?

When I saw the "patch" for the random generator function I
was laughing out loud, thinking that only the IETF
community could come up with such a complex and technical
means of drawing names out of a hat. Now I see that it was
to some degree in response to the lack of trust some
people have with the integrity of the nomcom process and
I'm disappointed. I believe we should have more gratitude
and trust for the people who volunteer on our behalf.

As a non-appointed member of the agnostic and atheistic
community, I would willingly accept the papers and hat
solution with a clergy/rabbi/imman/etc of the nomcom
chair's choice if it meant that instead everyone would
spend the same energy on solving the DNS crisis!!  ;-)



					- peterd

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   From: Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com>
   Date: 29 Aug 1997 14:07:17 -0400

   Wasn't there a suggestion that a "quality of service" option be used
   to provide a way to tell the GSSAPI layer to do low-data-overhead
   encryption?  I think it's on the list of things I've heard mentioned
   as "really should get written up some day"...

I havne't heard that suggestion before, but it's certainly an
interesting for someone to document and try implementing....

						- Ted

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Subject: Re: telnet and GSSAPI
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Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> 
>    From: Joe Salowey <joes@wrq.com>
>    Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:52:55 -0700
> 
>    I'm trying to find out if there is a spec or implementation of telnet
>    that uses kerberos via GSSAPI.  I've heard rumors that one exists and
>    I've also heard that it's not possible.  Any information would be
>    appreciated.
> 
> There certainly isn't a public specification for how it would be done.  
> 
> Some folks at (I think) TIS were looking into doing a telnet
> implementation that would use GSSAPI as part of the FORTEZZA project,
> but I don't know if that ever got anywhere or not.
> 
> The problem with using GSSAPI with the telnet protocol is that you
> really somewhich can handle efficient encryption of a stream, and GSSAPI
> is very block-oriented.  You could call gss_wrap() for every character,
> but there might be as much as a 32 byte (or even higher) overhead PER
> CHARACTER.   This is definitely something you wouldn't want to use over
> a dialup connection!

For dialup connections this is probably a significant impact,
since there usually is some compression involved and the gssapi
tokens will hardly be compressible.  On the LAN, on the other hand,
many of the datagrams are padded up to the minimum length (64 byte on
the ethernet, isn't it), so that the worst case overhead on the LAN
may only be around 50%.

On the other hand ... if I remeber correctly, SPKM does support the
use of "true digital signatures" for a MIC, so when using a 1024 RSA-Key,
the MIC part in the wrap token alone will take 128 Bytes, I assume. :-(

But in general there isn't a specific requirement in GSS-API that
gss_wrap() has to add significant bloat to small data.  A first-time
random confounder, a simple (like a 12-byte HMAC) on all successor
gss_wrap output tokens and a sliding window on the encrypted data
(when using a block cipher) should be ok with the GSS-API spec, I assume.
It should even be possible to add this as an extension of the existing
Kerberos 5 Mechanism spec for a specific QOP-value that has to be
used for gss_wrap() without even violating the GSS-API v2 spec or
backwards compatibility.  The (required) sequencing semantics
on the context could probably be enforced with an HMAC that covers
not only the current data, but also some of history of the data stream.
...but this is all just a wild guess of mine.

-Martin

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>everyone in the IETF.  We tried using a local clergy person but people
>still didn't believe that the fix wasn't in.  I suppose we could use a

	The above is offerred as a blanket assessment, rather than as applying to
a (tiny) minority.  I believe that there is not, and never has been, any
significant community mistrust of the selection process.  As with each and
every activity and action in our wonderfully open community, Somebody
Somewhere Says Something Bad.  This does not mean that we need to pay
attention to those inadequately still and inadequately small voices.

	Given the real and difficult problems associated with doing nomcom well,
it is very unfortunate that this aspect of it has diverted so much energy.

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   From: Martin Rex <martin.rex@sap-ag.de>
   Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:20:31 +0200 (MESZ)

   But in general there isn't a specific requirement in GSS-API that
   gss_wrap() has to add significant bloat to small data.  

It's not required in the GSS-API spec, but it's a common implementation
strategy to put the mechanism OID at the beginning of every gss_wrap()
token.  In fact, there was even those who wanted to have that be
enforced, which would guarantee that the overhead would always be there,
but fortunately we didn't decide to go that route.

						- Ted
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For whatever reason, the poisson-nomcom draft calls for the nomcom to
be selected "using a method that can be independently verified to be
unbiased and fair."  It's too bad that the poisson wg stopped short
of providing the method.  (It's not hard.)

The previous Nomcom operational document moved, I believe, from draft
to RFC sometime during the operation of last year's Nomcom, so I
don't think anyone can fault Mike for operating according to the
current draft.  (Gee, I hope it isn't in conflict with the RFC
anywhere!)

Hence Mike is taking all this pain, rather than passing the hat.
He's bearing up well under it, and there's no added inconvenience to
the Nomcom volunteers, so let's take any remaining comments to
poisson.
				Matt Crawford

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As of 1600 PDT 29 August I had received volunteer messages from the following 
people (57).  If you are not listed and believe you should be, please contact 
me by next Friday (5 August) with some evidence that you had emailed me ahead 
of the deadline. 

I want to thank all of you who have volunteered.  Stay tuned for the selection 
lottery on the 20th of September.  Mike


[Steve, please reflect to the IETF-Announce list and you can start your 
eligibilty confirmation process - thanks]

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"Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@MIT.EDU> writes:

>>    But in general there isn't a specific requirement in GSS-API that
>>    gss_wrap() has to add significant bloat to small data.  
>> 
>> It's not required in the GSS-API spec, but it's a common implementation
>> strategy to put the mechanism OID at the beginning of every gss_wrap()
>> token.  In fact, there was even those who wanted to have that be
>> enforced, which would guarantee that the overhead would always be there,
>> but fortunately we didn't decide to go that route.

Robustness vs efficiency is a standard engineering tradeoff.  I think
it would be fine to have a QOP which dropped the initial OID in favor
of low overhead.

		Marc
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Peter Deutsch writes:
> When I saw the "patch" for the random generator function I
> was laughing out loud, thinking that only the IETF
> community could come up with such a complex and technical
> means of drawing names out of a hat.

Actually, the mechanism is very reminiscent of the way that illegal
"numbers games" are run in many places, although typically they use
"random numbers" taken from horseracing results and not the stock
market. The mechanisms are of just about of equal complexity, and are
designed for the same purpose -- to assure that a "widely witnessed
event" that no individual has control over is the selection
mechanism.

I rather like it, frankly! Its not too difficult, either, IMHO.

Perry
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FWIW, in a GSSAPI+DCEized rlogin/rsh someone here did for a client, we
did asymmetric sign/seal.  I think it was 8bytes from client, and 64
or 128 from server.  Assuming client is user who types little compared to
system output.  Seems to work well in production use.  User(client) had
new tilde-sequences to control the packet sizes.
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Two small observations:

- The ratio of hosts to domains has declined steadily, from 73.9 to
14.9. This would seem to be the result of virtual hosting and
arrangements of a small number of external (WWW, email) servers/company.

- The ratio of ping'able hosts to hosts in the DNS has held remarkably
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> 
> 
> Internet Domain Survey            Network Wizards                July 1997
> 
>  The Domain Survey attempts to discover every host on the Internet by doing
>  a complete search of the Domain Name System.  The latest results gathered
>  during late July 1997 are listed.  For more information see RFC 1296;
>  for more data see the zone directory on ftp.nw.com, or http://nw.com
>                                                                -- Mark Lottor
> 
> 
>    Number of Hosts and Domains advertised in the Domain Name System
> 
>                                        Replied
>      Date  |      Hosts    Domains    To Ping*
>      ------+----------------------------------
>      Jul 97| 19,540,000  1,301,000   4,314,410
>      Jan 97| 16,146,000    828,000   3,392,000
> 
>      Jul 96| 12,881,000    488,000   2,569,000
>      Jan 96|  9,472,000    240,000   1,682,000
> 
>      Jul 95|  6,642,000    120,000   1,149,000
>      Jan 95|  4,852,000     71,000     970,000
> 
>      Jul 94|  3,212,000     46,000     707,000
>      Jan 94|  2,217,000     30,000     576,000
> 
>      [* estimated by pinging 1% of all hosts]
> 

-- 
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