Subject: RE: Ietf Digest, Vol 10, Issue 76

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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:38:22 +0100

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> Subject: Ietf Digest, Vol 10, Issue 76
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> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:05:32 -0700
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> 1. Proposal RE: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"
> (Hallam-Baker, Phillip)
> 2. Re: IPR/Copyright (SM)
> 3. request for community assistance regarding TICTOC
> requirements (Yaakov Stein)
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> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:51:18 -0700
> From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Proposal RE: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"
> To: "Von Wootten, Karl" <[email-masked]>, "Ole
> Jacobsen" <[email-masked]>, "Dean Anderson" <[email-masked]>
> Cc: [email-masked], Fred Baker <[email-masked]>, IETF
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> I suggest that all mail that is cross posted to Mr Andreson IETF-Honest or whatever other spam list Mr Spammer decides to create be blocked from all IETF lists.
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> That way any IETF-er who feeds the troll will not anoy the rest. And any IETF-er who blacklists Mr Spammer and his spam lists will have an Anderson-free experience.
> 
> Since Mr Spammer's objective here is to cause the spillover into the IETF list, it is my expectation that he will cease this particular tactic.
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> From: [email-masked] on behalf of Von Wootten, Karl
> Sent: Tue 3/24/2009 7:29 PM
> To: 'Ole Jacobsen'; Dean Anderson
> Cc: [email-masked]; Fred Baker; 'IETF Discussion Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"
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> 
> Dean,
> I feel that this issue has gone on Long enough It seems to me that by not allowing people to opt out and by unsolicited subscriptions you are only damaging your own reputation. I read what is posted to the lists I subscribe to so that I can do my job better. Not to waste time with these silly flame wars. Can we please put an end to this?
> 
> Karl von Wootten
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Ole Jacobsen
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2009 9:41 AM
> To: Dean Anderson
> Cc: [email-masked]; Fred Baker; 'IETF Discussion Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"
> 
> Dean,
> 
> The web interface is broken. I don't have the initial password and it
> won't send me a new one.
> 
> Please cease and desist this nonsense and unsubscribe me promptly, I
> never asked to be on your list, nor did anyone else that you added.
> 
> You're a spammer, plain and simple.
> 
> Ole
> 
> Ole J. Jacobsen
> Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
> Cisco Systems
> Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
> E-mail: [email-masked] URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
> 
> 
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Dean Anderson wrote:
> 
> > The password was sent in the subscription mail. The mailing list
> > manager is GNU mailman, which is the same software many of the IETF
> > lists uses, including [email-masked]. List management is the same, and
> > the welcome message includes the password. In addition, mailman provides
> > a web interface, which can be found at:
> >
> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.iadl.org/mailman/options/ietf-honest>,
> > <mailto:[email-masked]?subject=unsubscribe>
> > List-Archive: <http://lists.iadl.org/pipermail/ietf-honest>
> > List-Post: <mailto:[email-masked]>
> > List-Help: <mailto:[email-masked]?subject=help>
> > List-Subscribe: <http://lists.iadl.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-honest>,
> > <mailto:[email-masked]?subject=subscribe>
> >
> > RFC2369 headers are included in each list message.
> >
> > Logs show that Ole Jacobsen was added on February 28, 2009, after a post
> > to the IETF list.
> >
> > --Dean
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> >
> > > I think he added the ietf list as a whole. When I tried to
> > > unsubscribe it said I needed a password which it never sent,
> > > so I assume I am not "on" his list the strict sense.
> > >
> > > Ole
> > >
> > > Ole J. Jacobsen
> > > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
> > > Cisco Systems
> > > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
> > > E-mail: [email-masked] URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Fred Baker wrote:
> > >
> > > > well, question. Did he actually do that, or did he make a mailing list that
> > > > has one member - the IETF list - to which he can add other members as he
> > > > chooses?
> > > >
> > > > You may recall that at some point in the past we had the opposite. Someone set
> > > > up a mailing list that was subscribed to [email-masked] and filtered some of
> > > > our more interesting personalities. Folks that subscribed to it go a feed
> > > > without the comments of (or replies to) those individuals. Many moved their
> > > > subscriptions.
> > > >
> > > > Are you asking the Trust, or the IETF leadership, to send a cease and desist
> > > > letter?
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I was auto-subscribed to Dean's "ietf-honest" mailing
> > > > >list, and I'm unhappy about it. I don't know what his
> > > > >current status is with regard to the [email-masked]
> > > > >mailing list but I think he's pretty clearly abusing
> > > > >this mailing list by snagging names from it and
> > > > >putting us on his mailing list without asking. I'm also
> > > > >not thrilled that the "welcome" message he sends out
> > > > >fails to clearly identify who's sending it and that
> > > > >he does not represent the IETF. This is a small problem
> > > > >but a problem nonetheless.
> > > > >
> > > > >Melinda
> > > > >_______________________________________________
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> > > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:10 -0700
> From: SM <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: IPR/Copyright
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> At 16:35 24-03-2009, John C Klensin wrote:
> >I just attended the IPR ("Pre-5398 Problem") BOF and want to
> >share an impression and suggestion.
> >
> >While one could debate details of text and procedures endlessly,
> >reopen old battles, etc., there is really only one issue at
> >this point, and that issue is whether the community wants to
> >
> > * try to accelerate the transition toward 5378 by
> > obligating authors to make a serious attempt to get
> > signoff from previous contributors or
> >
> > * treat documents that contain pre-5398 material as
> > provided for in the workaround, i.e., authors obtain all
> > of the rights if they are willing to do that but
> > otherwise just insert the workaround text and move on.
> 
> That would be the "minimum solution". It does not require authors 
> to act as lawyers, hire lawyers, or perform a risk assessment to 
> figure out what they need to do.
> 
> >I note that, if the community's preference is really the second
> >choice, then we are finished. The Trustees would presumably
> >follow the general rough consensus on this list, interpret the
> >existing workaround as permanent, and we would all move on.
> 
> There is no pressing copyright problem to solve as there is the 
> existing workaround. Unless there is a compelling reason for the 
> first choice, I don't see a need to spend more time on this issue.
> 
> Regards,
> -sm 
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:06:01 +0200
> From: Yaakov Stein <[email-masked]>
> Subject: request for community assistance regarding TICTOC
> requirements
> To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
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> Hi all,
> 
> The TICTOC WG is finalizing the scope of its requirements draft.
> 
> As of now the draft has information regarding the timing requirements for
> - Cellular Backhauling
> - Circuit Emulation
> - Test and Measurement
> - ToD over the general Internet
> we have still unintegrated information for
> - Sensor networks
> - Legal uses of time
> - Industrial Automation
> and we have removed two applications for lack of interest or feasibility
> - Remote Telco
> - Electric power distribution.
> 
> We are still soliciting help in gathering requirements information for
> - Uses of precise time in networking
> - Metrology
> If anyone can help in these latter applications, please contact the TICTOC chairs.
> If no interest is expressed, we intend removing these applications from the list
> of applications being considered.
> 
> In addition, if someone feels we missed an application that requires
> distribution of timing information, it is possibly not too late to consider its inclusion.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Y(J)S
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