From nobody Wed Jun 3 00:13:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F7C3A0CA0; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 00:13:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.848 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.848 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nANxN-4Wb5tE; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 00:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B58F43A0C9F; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 00:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id n141so1196978qke.2; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:13:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=C685OQ65jbNS1/K+rpBZtLxnGmwM9yGNvZrNccu0BfI=; b=BWo5nHuBce1YSXps9ZvPZcRUhXxnC/RRIJzAvyOkcIeUuBJW7J1Hpi1Rx38m/bk4pJ vsAiRtRl8zto57J0ufy5v+a5zm7hh1YQ9Tsj7QErf/1YamwIwc71AZvdnopt4Lb/1gmi 62/XDETQiFCcDQxRhuONUdvUEXcvVBwIsNaagrHGHc0aX4Y1gKu7pS4ZHzjF1FApv5bo jOuU0AUzB6Qu/NOXo7fJNUybGF7BiKi4dSvXjCLeBUxw0LxhGGgykyy9LVYkY2Z7d/CP Sg6Fqw6HQr37dR+B5EoW1k332AFHpGlEBlRDk5xxb4VD5CXgFUnT35pNOXkFlHMDqcot 7QSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=C685OQ65jbNS1/K+rpBZtLxnGmwM9yGNvZrNccu0BfI=; b=sWJDu69Gqgp6oqu/4atm3CkDFYyNWlvzVsKp3d1s0yo2fPjCVH10H/tQQ/8NP2h50J PBZIdsC2zTmnZnKOK9FVxg5gfDN9DulBotsjCBGjmrx6FDShe3EWuRvCEtzkXZIx2kPW u/TPzqHbStUpkMyYlK9+NLxw89SHK5NWHk+jkSUCkzE0pE8MshFgLFc49TGdietDTB7U S2k47dg//XEvZQnOy9yN3FIXDMWIspBPFEEy3WQOiOdb9Um7RhOOfQcn8S+ZxOk6aRHh e8R0+h8NEu/4w4UcPUCpZVdgXX8laiPlNzsrXWx76cl3hr9EBzjhsmt98wnrfz4DQUZJ xi9w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530amuZPMDIm1DYDaJ9uRNamH4MLKEHK8091Gxwo+OxPrspvNkVa oMqqeYhnl5uomRSL/aVDzSdeN6IbmioP+BurnrAEt7qi X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyMVD96AZpIGV86M3ZBGCr45O+c1AiQhhC6A3WGsFFfah/ofThYV41xJ/+9+I6Zi/3ZtIlJJnOSFzNrGCKViHQ= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a510:: with SMTP id o16mr27627047qke.417.1591168428388; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:13:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jen Linkova Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 17:13:37 +1000 Message-ID: To: panrg@irtf.org Cc: panrg-chairs@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [PANRG] PANRG June 2020 Interim: Minutes taker needed X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 07:13:51 -0000 Hello, In less that 10 hrs we are going to meet at PANRG interim (see the details below). As usual we are in desperate need of minutes taker(s). Please volunteer - Brian and I will be eternally grateful! PANRG June 2020 Interim details: When: 17:00 - 19:30 UTC, Wed June 3rd, 2020 Where: Webex https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m3585f8d44438b70875063cf0b5187c34 What you need to know: https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/107/session-participant-guide/ See you there! -- SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry From nobody Wed Jun 3 12:35:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189443A0F10 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=trammell.ch Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wim-Y72qRvdH for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-bc0d.mail.infomaniak.ch (smtp-bc0d.mail.infomaniak.ch [45.157.188.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 157A73A0F2B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-3-0000.mail.infomaniak.ch (unknown [10.4.36.107]) by smtp-2-3000.mail.infomaniak.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49cfJ93MklzlhS5t for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 21:35:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:169:17b2:0:20e0:e82c:2c5c:10c2] (unknown [IPV6:2a02:169:17b2:0:20e0:e82c:2c5c:10c2]) by smtp-3-0000.mail.infomaniak.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 49cfJ90vJpzlhBZw for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 21:35:04 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=trammell.ch; s=20191114; t=1591212905; bh=ykI80pi7NQtRaWGaklh1GITRmA7jygza7CV+E1zgKBw=; h=From:Subject:Date:To:From; b=RNinGaDH9g85fOjlwVUnHUd3PkL81m//vPd66ZV16jN2xI3bd6W9oP9f22F0cg+hi lhPd04udZbfbt//1lmcIKLRbjFcLPutWs+qdARSFAgUDNw2GmNuXmHhvyeo/nufLWC hy3ha1aDXlXUg/fG6qF9DtyFi/KYQfxQsHQG4NOY= From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Message-Id: <5F007C76-12A6-4358-BFE6-38E3B5F973C4@trammell.ch> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 21:35:04 +0200 To: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Unix mail servers drweb plugin ver.6.0.2.8 X-Antivirus-Code: 0x100000 Archived-At: Subject: [PANRG] suggested changes to -questions from today's interim... X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 19:35:19 -0000 ... are in the working copy: https://panrg.github.io/questions/draft-irtf-panrg-questions.html diffs: = https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf= -panrg-questions.txt&url2=3Dhttps://panrg.github.io/questions/draft-irtf-p= anrg-questions.txt Pull requests are cheerfully accepted at = https://github.com/panrg/questions, or you can comment on this thread. = :) Cheers (and great talking to you all tonight!), Brian= From nobody Wed Jun 3 18:43:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D4D3A0C9B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 18:43:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QOuUUYTyyPnZ for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 18:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com (mail-lf1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C72583A0C9A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 18:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id u16so2550887lfl.8 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 18:43:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IBdoWPKjwF1zp8xnsKaXEEIDYdYU44V6PoYnbAizqVo=; b=Gt+gYtnCpBGvKVn4zMTARoUBenkIejTtdCEgc5C7iK/VGUegNX3iuO8N5CrVhei2QB zpoUKLe9y1ubksAbm4caGsjLfms5TjBL4BxMOWlGl9RA439L0Ps60xHtBLGuVuv9OKos ifNvP1j9m+jZ1GUcki1Y6T2bTmN0xpbZu6KleiJJb8IyeGcChPucciRWHSa52OCZRvGT ke8JDmxlJvSB53zWSHOFl11/yNeyT07CDDJjcHCRR7w0Ixpt72nrUj4JkRIZU9G1D5Bj YK1K/KO+ZdEwbWyZCF4+ZCBgVNgiFsU6lCJfk6tskur2i/380Lx2TqfEn2jagWA/Z9Iq yNzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IBdoWPKjwF1zp8xnsKaXEEIDYdYU44V6PoYnbAizqVo=; b=qhLKu6dv/J/7U6094d0ntUowd1FBtS1C+3FbHdYIBJLx6+F4Y8kGnSYvWpoju1ecOF 6Wixenj6pkGtGDF5Rn4lZ9KAL5jGloAitYaUjbocCPOk9yD4SWoGnc+NyfkHtVMbmXsC KTLo96rUNT3A8LOHCxqx3C5OgSKoKq11Wh4hpV7M0GLgA3UvUsMjXX1Zuo26NIj3mno5 vn4y4BAb1TvU+Z+GW1Y8UTuxrik3Z0Kk8rIm/4H21eDRNj1qJbamKOexKzpES+zWh2ZX HbR1HnYpJ5wl8cJzrqx2Ip/SFmu66VFVu0LlsSdsTitG27CEeDDx7j0SH6UftsQxvXG+ UMPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533rMP5vdKD3UuhAzwjLormsp95ErF6wQdaR8qSeEs7q0HJp3Jlz idH0+Fdsi0EmUAVZEF6kEjzYtY86LgTp7985RgGws3o/ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzNPzyNKZAAZSf9uohmHIepvQc7e6L3r6KNrC0U0PzdgTwChACtwl3weWPVe9PBfdKTuiiH20D2wkzWdscXAJw= X-Received: by 2002:a19:550e:: with SMTP id n14mr1149014lfe.81.1591235025704; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 18:43:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 20:43:19 -0500 Message-ID: To: panrg@irtf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000762b7a05a7384667" Archived-At: Subject: [PANRG] Remind me again. What IS Path Aware Networking? :-) X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 01:43:49 -0000 --000000000000762b7a05a7384667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" During our call today, we talked (if I understood correctly) about having one place where we loosely describe what Path Aware Networking is (since we have at least three definitions in the charter, research-questions, and what-not-to-do), and pointing to that one place everywhere else that sort of has a description. I believe the action was that Spencer, Brian, Theresa, and Gorry would huddle and try to come up with a description that we think is good enough to show the working group. Did I have that right? 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During our call today, we talked (if I understood correctl= y) about having one place where we loosely describe what Path Aware Network= ing is (since we have at least three definitions in the charter, research-q= uestions, and what-not-to-do), and pointing to that one place everywhere el= se that sort of has a description.=C2=A0

I believe the a= ction was that Spencer, Brian, Theresa, and Gorry would huddle and try to c= ome up with a description that we think is good enough to show the working = group.=C2=A0

Did I have that right?

=
Best,

Spencer
--000000000000762b7a05a7384667-- From nobody Wed Jun 3 19:47:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BA23A0DE5 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 19:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=tenghardt.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K5gto0lAf9Cd for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 19:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hemio.de (mail.hemio.de [136.243.12.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 961363A0DE2 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 19:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.client.invalid (localhost [136.243.12.180]) by mail.hemio.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 033BBA5 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 04:47:06 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tenghardt.net; s=20170414; t=1591238827; bh=W0yFp+rLNflkyAbVF+8mk2PwtNsxP09mbZpoHZujaUg=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=aDJGYHnwUj28RZ2RlBhnvfSyHkzympy/XbYvueAW35DxSMUWWFtBEcQ5IWf0gd/lt QqosP7saE3/T0yWL6LurkYj5qk9w2y4B0pwThFwW/OJnyv7jtjwOLq8AUIcFitaBgX 6/1OSvy40ABnFBFbmpsfmBFgRm6UtTFKd+hX/zsslkC/PCWq3J+THINChz/Lv1h4CN ZMDsyrz4Z7gIZ4UUF8S2vjwRbkFFGK7eqU05O9n7zUifwsRJSQQhEXxVW7okYvmBU4 PwDX7s38r48Tgt4DmTvId6JxqBJm5VNcx2/wMFqCDXOlfI0lSMQAslatESPfL2imnC 2RZl1d7rExfGg== To: panrg@irtf.org References: From: Theresa Enghardt Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 19:47:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [PANRG] Remind me again. What IS Path Aware Networking? :-) X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 02:47:11 -0000 Hi, On 03.06.20 18:43, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > During our call today, we talked (if I understood correctly) about > having one place where we loosely describe what Path Aware Networking > is (since we have at least three definitions in the charter, > research-questions, and what-not-to-do), and pointing to that one > place everywhere else that sort of has a description.  > > I believe the action was that Spencer, Brian, Theresa, and Gorry would > huddle and try to come up with a description that we think is good > enough to show the working group.  > > Did I have that right? Without trying to sign him up for anything, I think Cyrill's name was mentioned, too. Otherwise, this matches what I recall. As far as I'm concerned, feel free to just send a doodle link. 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What IS Path Aware Networking? :-) X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 12:20:27 -0000 > On 4 Jun 2020, at 02:43, Spencer Dawkins at IETF = wrote: >=20 > During our call today, we talked (if I understood correctly) about = having one place where we loosely describe what Path Aware Networking is = (since we have at least three definitions in the charter, = research-questions, and what-not-to-do), and pointing to that one place = everywhere else that sort of has a description.=20 >=20 > I believe the action was that Spencer, Brian, Theresa, and Gorry would = huddle and try to come up with a description that we think is good = enough to show the working group.=20 >=20 > Did I have that right? I couldn=E2=80=99t make the virtual meeting due to its timing in BST, = but this would be very useful. I had no idea that panrg included = certain areas of interest. 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2020 14:52:16 +0200 (CEST) From: To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" , "panrg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [PANRG] suggested changes to -questions from today's interim... Thread-Index: AQHWOd45KrOf4oMfrEeSjlalUb/qO6jIaVvQ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:52:15 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B9330314D8013@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <5F007C76-12A6-4358-BFE6-38E3B5F973C4@trammell.ch> In-Reply-To: <5F007C76-12A6-4358-BFE6-38E3B5F973C4@trammell.ch> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [PANRG] suggested changes to -questions from today's interim... X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 12:52:20 -0000 Brian,=20 It is long time since I read this document.=20 Unfortunately, I think this version does not address the comments I raised = in this review:=20 https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft-irtf-pan= rg-questions-01-rev%20Med.pdf=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Panrg [mailto:panrg-bounces@irtf.org] De la part de Brian > Trammell (IETF) > Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 3 juin 2020 21:35 > =C0=A0: panrg@irtf.org > Objet=A0: [PANRG] suggested changes to -questions from today's > interim... >=20 > .... are in the working copy: >=20 > https://panrg.github.io/questions/draft-irtf-panrg-questions.html >=20 > diffs: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft- > irtf-panrg-questions.txt&url2=3Dhttps://panrg.github.io/questions/draft- > irtf-panrg-questions.txt >=20 > Pull requests are cheerfully accepted at > https://github.com/panrg/questions, or you can comment on this thread. > :) >=20 > Cheers (and great talking to you all tonight!), >=20 > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Panrg mailing list > Panrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/panrg From nobody Mon Jun 8 22:33:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: panrg@irtf.org Delivered-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262A23A0946; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 22:33:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: panrg@irtf.org, panrg-chairs@ietf.org, irtf-chair@irtf.org, furry13@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159168083801.8748.12085160326231586825@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 22:33:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [PANRG] panrg - Not having a session at IETF 108 X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 05:33:58 -0000 Jen Linkova, a chair of the panrg working group, indicated that the panrg working group does not plan to hold a session at IETF 108. 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If you said anything during the meeting please review the minutes and let the chairs know if any corrections are required. -- SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry From nobody Tue Jun 30 02:41:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: panrg@irtf.org Delivered-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D873A1141; Tue, 30 Jun 2020 02:40:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: panrg@irtf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.6.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: panrg@irtf.org Message-ID: <159351005449.5283.6701609437427973195@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 02:40:54 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [PANRG] I-D Action: draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05.txt X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:40:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Aware Networking RG RG of the IRTF. Title : Current Open Questions in Path Aware Networking Author : Brian Trammell Filename : draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2020-06-30 Abstract: In contrast to the present Internet architecture, a path-aware internetworking architecture has two important properties: it exposes the properties of available Internet paths to endpoints, and provides for endpoints and applications to use these properties to select paths through the Internet for their traffic. This document poses questions in path-aware networking open as of 2019, that must be answered in the design, development, and deployment of path-aware intetnetworks. It was originally written to frame discussions in the Path Aware Networking proposed Research Group (PANRG), and has been published to snapshot current thinking in this space. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-panrg-questions/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 30 02:51:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005A03A1150 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2020 02:51:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=trammell.ch Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wjETlUAiAoSP for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2020 02:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-42a9.mail.infomaniak.ch (smtp-42a9.mail.infomaniak.ch [84.16.66.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2D373A114F for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2020 02:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-2-0001.mail.infomaniak.ch (unknown [10.5.36.108]) by smtp-2-3000.mail.infomaniak.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49x03n1l9LzlhkHD for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2020 11:51:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:169:17b2:0:f105:2adc:c9d1:c00e] (unknown [IPV6:2a02:169:17b2:0:f105:2adc:c9d1:c00e]) by smtp-2-0001.mail.infomaniak.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 49x03m5v3czlh8Zv for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2020 11:51:00 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=trammell.ch; s=20191114; t=1593510661; bh=lhqnZ3aLABlG4eZxPDZI7Q754VO8/1Ml8aE0iuu2YbE=; h=From:Subject:References:To:Date:From; b=r84psTqQ5YSQCyRqTjAnFStuAU61vWFiHkJjCBgXAIOz2V2+Ou5Kzg36NScbhxQwA 8ikMWOy9LaetfNTrBxqmlWv6qNV5rmCP20XUDj5pnn2IEJrJr4I6pHBK5wxErF3l3G 0EQWu8N5Dx/ga4C/CfmqiIF/ow/gVeUB+WkMGE+A= From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6E5C6E3B-5930-4817-BC8E-68111BE03CDD" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Message-Id: <44A3A6C4-B916-4A7A-B5B0-A7126569F9DC@trammell.ch> References: <159351005449.5283.6701609437427973195@ietfa.amsl.com> To: panrg@irtf.org Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 11:51:00 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Unix mail servers drweb plugin ver.6.0.2.8 X-Antivirus-Code: 0x100000 Archived-At: Subject: [PANRG] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05.txt X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:51:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6E5C6E3B-5930-4817-BC8E-68111BE03CDD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all, As discussed in our interim meeting, and resulting from the subsequent = offline discussion I had with the authors of the other two drafts, = here's the latest-and-I-believe-final revision of the questions draft.=20= Cheers, Brian > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: [PANRG] I-D Action: draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05.txt > Date: 30 June 2020 at 11:40:54 CEST > To: > Cc: panrg@irtf.org > Reply-To: panrg@irtf.org >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Path Aware Networking RG RG of the = IRTF. >=20 > Title : Current Open Questions in Path Aware = Networking > Author : Brian Trammell > Filename : draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05.txt > Pages : 9 > Date : 2020-06-30 >=20 > Abstract: > In contrast to the present Internet architecture, a path-aware > internetworking architecture has two important properties: it = exposes > the properties of available Internet paths to endpoints, and = provides > for endpoints and applications to use these properties to select > paths through the Internet for their traffic. This document poses > questions in path-aware networking open as of 2019, that must be > answered in the design, development, and deployment of path-aware > intetnetworks. It was originally written to frame discussions in = the > Path Aware Networking proposed Research Group (PANRG), and has been > published to snapshot current thinking in this space. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-panrg-questions/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-irtf-panrg-questions-05 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Panrg mailing list > Panrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/panrg --Apple-Mail=_6E5C6E3B-5930-4817-BC8E-68111BE03CDD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all,

As discussed in our interim meeting, and resulting from the = subsequent offline discussion I had with the authors of the other two = drafts, here's the latest-and-I-believe-final revision of the questions = draft. 

Cheers,

Brian

Begin forwarded = message:

From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
Subject: = [PANRG] I-D = Action: draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05.txt
Date: = 30 June 2020 at 11:40:54 = CEST
To: = <i-d-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: panrg@irtf.org
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A New = Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories.
This draft is a work item of the Path Aware = Networking RG RG of the IRTF.

=        Title =           : Current = Open Questions in Path Aware Networking
=        Author =          : Brian = Trammell
Filename =        : = draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05.txt
Pages =           : 9
= Date =            : = 2020-06-30

Abstract:
=   In contrast to the present Internet architecture, a = path-aware
  internetworking architecture has = two important properties: it exposes
  the = properties of available Internet paths to endpoints, and provides
  for endpoints and applications to use these = properties to select
  paths through the = Internet for their traffic.  This document poses
=   questions in path-aware networking open as of 2019, that = must be
  answered in the design, development, = and deployment of path-aware
  intetnetworks. =  It was originally written to frame discussions in the
=   Path Aware Networking proposed Research Group (PANRG), and = has been
  published to snapshot current = thinking in this space.


The = IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-panrg-questions/

There are also htmlized versions = available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-panrg-questions-05
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