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Malis" Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 14:39:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: RFC Markdown Cc: RFC Interest , tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a1c14205ba87dc41" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Recommendation 9 from Results and analysis of the survey of I-D authors on formats and tools X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 19:39:36 -0000 --000000000000a1c14205ba87dc41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carsten, Awesome, thanks! Cheers, Andy On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:26 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2021-02-04, at 16:44, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > Maybe I should put a simple CLI option for running idnits into the > `kdrfc` tool... > > Now https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/issues/96 > > 1.3.27: Add -i option to kdrfc, run idnits > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > --000000000000a1c14205ba87dc41 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Carsten,

Awesome, thanks!
Cheers,
Andy


On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 = at 11:26 AM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.or= g> wrote:
On 2021-02-04, at 16:44, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>
> Maybe I should put a simple CLI option for running idnits into the `kd= rfc` tool...
> Now https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/= issues/96

1.3.27: Add -i option to kdrfc, run idnits

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

--000000000000a1c14205ba87dc41-- From nobody Fri Feb 12 08:49:50 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BAC3A17AE; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:49:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6jCYK20qKSCI; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 512C73A17A7; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.168.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Dcfc52wL6zyhc; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:49:41 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Carsten Bormann Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:49:40 +0100 Cc: tools-discuss X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 634841380.868253-fcdf41356b42baf7c61785694eded207 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: To: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.29: Do not use server-side anchor setup for stand_alone: true X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:49:48 -0000 This is an emergency workaround for the tools server problem discussed = in = Please use `stand_alone: true` in the YAML header to benefit from this = (*). A few minor fixes (and a new feature) were also done recently that I = hadn=E2=80=99t announced: 1.3.28: SVG error handling fixes 1.3.27: Add -i option to kdrfc, run idnits 1.3.26: Avoid dependency for module that needs native build 1.3.25: Work around ERB api deprecation Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten (*) actually, preferably always use stand_alone: true, unless you have a = broken proxy setup that makes it difficult for you to access the bibxml = servers. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 23:55:16 -0000 1.3.30: Use rfc-editor/datatracker for RFC/I-D bibxml fetching. (This patch only has an effect on stand_alone: true documents.) The previous behavior can be reinstated by setting the environment = variable KRAMDOWN_USE_TOOLS_SERVER to any value. This emergency patch became necessary as xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org is = currently serving outdated data, as well as missing updates, in some = cases for more than a week. =20 Unless people see problems with this change, this patch is likely to = stay, as the update rates of the =E2=80=9Cofficial=E2=80=9D sources are = much closer to real-time, and this may count a lot in the final hours of = the I-D deadline frenzy, which we all cherish. (If you want to see some of the outdated data, have a look at = https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bormann-cbor-notable-tags-03.html = from today, which for instance references = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-cose-rfc8152bis-struct-14.t= xt, which is 404. More details at the thread starting at = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/AxvlPNoeGRTq92J_fIn4iC= RN-mI/ .) Note that this does not replace xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org as bibxml sources = for other types of documents. With the patch in 1.3.29, that part seems = to be limping along fine, however. 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Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Feb 17 15:31:22 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779C03A1E62 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:31:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q9spp7zQ203k for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D16C3A1E3A for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:31:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.152] (p5089a828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.168.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DgvH14jDXzySW; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 00:31:09 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 00:31:09 +0100 Message-Id: <6C5F7F04-CB5D-48D9-AB80-737BA1CED989@tzi.org> To: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) Archived-At: Subject: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.33: KRAMDOWN_NO_TARGETS: let xml2rfc fill in targets for RFC and I-D X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 23:31:20 -0000 As an alternative approach to the recent RFC/I-D bibxml emergency = patches, kramdown-rfc now honours the environment variable = KRAMDOWN_NO_TARGETS by removing target information from all RFC and I-D = references; xml2rfc will then fill them in again (with a number of = command line flags that can influence that). If you don=E2=80=99t set = the environment variable, you get the previously announced workarounds. = Thanks to Martin Thomson for the suggestions and all the help in recent = updates. Due to some refactoring, this is a slightly more risky change than I=E2=80= =99d normally make 120 hours before I-D deadline. Please don=E2=80=99t hesitate to contact me if there is any surprising = behaviour. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu Feb 18 09:27:09 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1F53A14B0 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 09:27:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W8b64jwnz5-Z for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 09:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D786E3A14AD for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 09:27:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.168.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DhM8Q1gQtz1060; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 18:27:02 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 635362021.591537-b2eeaeb2e0743b5cd0123247bb1abec3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 18:27:01 +0100 Message-Id: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> To: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most codeblock classes to instead of X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 17:27:09 -0000 RFCXMLv3 introduces a second element for verbatim text beyond , the element. So kramdown-rfc needs to decide whether a codeblock turns into or into . 1.3.34 now maps all code blocks with a language given to sourcecode, except if the language is one of (ascii-art binary-art call-flow hex-dump svg). (This exception list was appropriated from RFC 7991; the current xml2rfc documentation doesn't mention call-flow or hex-dump.) So ~~~ /\ \/ ~~~ still turns into , while ~~~ c int dezigzag(unsigned int i) {return (i>>1) ^ -(i&1)} ~~~ turns into (with type=3D"c"). Using the "gi" pseudo-attribute, this automatic choice can be overridden (use gi=3D"artwork" or gi=3D"sourcecode" in an inline = attribute list). Note that for both artwork and sourcecode, additional attributes need to be notated as "artwork-foo" (or "sourcecode-foo") in an inline attribute list, as the codeblock itself turns into a
around the artwork/sourcecode, so you can have title etc. An example with an inline attribute list (IAL): ~~~ c main() { return 1; } ~~~ {: #my-little-c-program artwork-name=3D"myli.c" title=3D"My little C = program"} or, to keep the actual source outside the markdown ~~~ c {::include myli.c} ~~~ {: #my-little-c-program artwork-name=3D"myli.c" title=3D"My little C = program"} (kdrfc -c will generate a .v2v3.xml that includes the text, so it can be directly submitted to the datatracker.) Note that the conventional type strings listed in [0] are all lower-case; I'm sorry if this violates your sense of aesthetics as much as mine :-) Over at the github issue [77], which this release resolves, we also discussed using media-type-names (or content-types [1]) as types -- this strikes me as a great convention. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten [0]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/sourcecode-types.txt [77]: https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/issues/77 [1]: = https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bormann-core-media-content-type-form= at-02.html From nobody Thu Feb 18 12:48:55 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB373A1836 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 12:48:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qZaXs0aMqa2k for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 12:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 023F43A184A for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 12:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.168.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DhRdD2GBWzydD; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 21:48:48 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 21:48:47 +0100 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 635374127.663709-3124b8a1abcbfc968107083fe444bad0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> To: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.35: revert to if "artwork-align" is set X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 20:48:54 -0000 Bizarrely, RFCXMLv3 does not allow an =E2=80=9Calign=E2=80=9D attribute = on , while it does on . This, together with the = automatic assignment of to appropriately classed code = blocks added in 1.3.34, creates a backwards compatibility problem. =20 This is now worked around by reverting to for any code blocks = that do have =E2=80=9Cartwork-align=E2=80=9D/=E2=80=9Csourcecode-align=E2=80= =9D inline attributes, regardless of type. So if you want your source code to turn up as , do not = center/right-adjust any more. We apologize for the inconvenience. 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[77.251.206.12]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b6sm3783276ejb.8.2021.02.18.23.24.03 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 18 Feb 2021 23:24:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:24:02 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: Carsten Bormann Cc: rfc-markdown@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210219072402.GA151175@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Carsten Bormann , rfc-markdown@ietf.org References: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most codeblock classes to instead of X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:24:10 -0000 [ Quoting in "[Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most cod..." ] >So > >~~~ >/\ >\/ >~~~ > >still turns into , while > >~~~ c >int dezigzag(unsigned int i) {return (i>>1) ^ -(i&1)} >~~~ > >turns into (with type="c"). Note that mmark does exactly the same. Regarding your other email on the alignment of artwork vs sourcecode, I think that must be fixed in the schema, rather than working around it from our side. From nobody Thu Feb 18 23:33:28 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370C13A1193 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 23:33:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uNvqDOIFVeIc for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 23:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD6BC3A118F for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 23:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.152] (p5089a828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.168.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Dhjwy3ChpzyNK; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:33:22 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <20210219072402.GA151175@miek.nl> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:33:21 +0100 Cc: rfc-markdown@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <08FE1EB3-5D3F-41CF-B623-F664DB3746A7@tzi.org> References: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> <20210219072402.GA151175@miek.nl> To: Miek Gieben X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most codeblock classes to instead of X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:33:27 -0000 On 19. Feb 2021, at 08:24, Miek Gieben wrote: >=20 > Regarding your other email on the alignment of artwork vs sourcecode, = I think that must > be fixed in the schema, rather than working around it from our side. Yes. The question really is on what timescales this can happen. We have been waiting for some fixes for some time. RFCEDP is still discussing on one end. Somebody has to do the xml2rfc fixes on the other side. Let=E2=80=99s see... 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:06:34 -0000 Am 19.02.2021 um 08:24 schrieb Miek Gieben: > [ Quoting in "[Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most cod..." ] >> So >> >> ~~~ >> /\ >> \/ >> ~~~ >> >> still turns into , while >> >> ~~~ c >> int dezigzag(unsigned int i) {return (i>>1) ^ -(i&1)} >> ~~~ >> >> turns into (with type=3D"c"). > > Note that mmark does exactly the same. > > Regarding your other email on the alignment of artwork vs sourcecode, I > think that must > be fixed in the schema, rather than working around it from our side. > ... FWIW, I'm not sure what the use case for not left-aligning source code is? Slightly related to this: it seems we need to come up with recommendations about what is artwork and what is sourcecode. For instance, in the HTTP specs, is a HTTP message example (or a header field example) artwork or sourcecode? Best regards, Julian From nobody Fri Feb 19 00:46:08 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84233A0D4E for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:46:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wNy9MT4dRKPu for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:46:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13BF83A0D39 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.168.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DhlXm1m9fzyRB; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:46:00 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <77684aa0-dcdb-fc38-8d31-86f2f5ae2ede@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:45:59 +0100 Cc: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 635417159.340462-e110aa66ee1b1dc926279df6f341d670 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <22FFC094-63C4-43E8-8FDA-28832DD7FF28@tzi.org> References: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> <20210219072402.GA151175@miek.nl> <77684aa0-dcdb-fc38-8d31-86f2f5ae2ede@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most codeblock classes to instead of X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:46:06 -0000 >=20 > FWIW, I'm not sure what the use case for not left-aligning source code = is? I had one just yesterday=E2=80=A6 = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bormann-core-media-content-type-for= mat/ (In a normal publication I=E2=80=99d use color.) > Slightly related to this: it seems we need to come up with > recommendations about what is artwork and what is sourcecode. For > instance, in the HTTP specs, is a HTTP message example (or a header > field example) artwork or sourcecode? I=E2=80=99d say: Q: Is it meant for machine consumption? No? Artwork. Examples: PEM, CBOR-diag, JSON data items that can be parsed: source code. ABNF, CDDL, YANG: source code (but see example above) Pseudocode, C, Python: source code Math: artwork Illustrative excerpts of code for human consumption: artwork Call-flows (example in RFC 7991), HTTP interactions: artwork UML stuff, MSCs, flow charts, GANTT charts: artwork (Deliberately) Bad code (counterexamples): Hmm. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Fri Feb 19 00:48:03 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949593A1280 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:48:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21EWedC8BICP for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0081B3A11CC for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.168.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Dhlb14q1dzyRB; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:47:57 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <22FFC094-63C4-43E8-8FDA-28832DD7FF28@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:47:57 +0100 Cc: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 635417277.239099-57e524bcbedfcd8850f614d24161ac79 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> <20210219072402.GA151175@miek.nl> <77684aa0-dcdb-fc38-8d31-86f2f5ae2ede@gmx.de> <22FFC094-63C4-43E8-8FDA-28832DD7FF28@tzi.org> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most codeblock classes to instead of X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:48:03 -0000 On 2021-02-19, at 09:45, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bormann-core-media-content-type-for= mat/ Sorry, my intent here is probably better visible in the current = editor=E2=80=99s version: = https://cabo.github.io/mtct/draft-bormann-core-media-content-type-format.h= tml Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Fri Feb 19 00:53:59 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE5F3A120B for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:53:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bwtc-Qv707v9 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:53:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D960A3A1274 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:53:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1613724828; bh=BxBm5hrWTVagG2q6R2qTTsYv8AAv28pSiGGoEjiq5VE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=HYO2sCvSIYMS4UuwPy/ZNdxmDkH2TK8GLEyKK9DunRf8Zy8PHpk/+ARArAaXz3Htg EAXrtMJgAYBX4B1fmiRdvqky3YXhIi08k1WrHiHrnJggoOAg+0ltC4vGwW6i0U8PQM ff3dseJhPGB2aNm1ITeDz7hM7VpWPEMUbYqm75eM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.182] ([84.171.158.62]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M4JmT-1lCkYv0QEr-000KWk for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:53:48 +0100 To: rfc-markdown@ietf.org References: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> <20210219072402.GA151175@miek.nl> <77684aa0-dcdb-fc38-8d31-86f2f5ae2ede@gmx.de> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <549e34a3-d286-6b76-0a63-a341610aea60@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:53:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <77684aa0-dcdb-fc38-8d31-86f2f5ae2ede@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:RqxvDNdQHUy9ClF+tUbxwHGP6klWlfwe8ETpWur7s6duYLgL09d 4dbELXzYH1wbdFyhQM373PSbAGPHNQvAtxRGufi4bua4uqAglKsB56bEJanUUgpzut1SrDn 2K4iZ16y7dp/vyyfUMvKRRofOBa0048dj1B20eiTtU4R+fx0G2rQjj8qvbnMNJVTJiHXMKP A2tcrT3M2mSIKyyrg2eEw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ex9QybS9PlE=:j/u9W+qawzlltQ1Y6aq3It lXT5nEgha4tc9mcq6BtSvH2hPu1om10lYR3zDFPodBzHg1fPBf8YeUIUamvcZAnVrQ+7/TA/3 ANMI2JZFlAZxpi4CD7GPtBxM8Kk9MlYWdPtCqrX1MF3BLdd8GFgv2By3DxoOoIOsifeSFRqc6 OB81Pm9tg7Vm3lIZ+R9RBfWeDg+t71pLyU7nxxJbaigDZgt1ZWjzdwpLDGq4Tz4twdHgfVH19 PnVn3yQVPPhSyqZEBq1KcBRPrqIiyZUq15sxb/tjf4JcpahGdtKdBB1BmopIXpIvP/1Pcmb8L ITDEJgALVrGcavxQBvpUV7kv5aY5z7ZdVn/htHtQCZ7a6i8GyYQk7o0gBQCvzNXXwNeIv4PFT 6+sht66sMc0VTSAMaw11OzJD+PaLIkBi6vd67dc9tkKaVRQWLP+lJeAFAvVR9EyPrAH8mjT8p j9YxdkH3WwA6+ekYLfNm2l0l2BnM620z35k25Y3mI1Aq2E+YXGc3AKEvBQ3fMQoGkI7IRzu5e Y20whzvhSFQYC4zzG2vmr2zN6ND4qURL40ufLr9K3KRy1c9SbVkU9i66SrTdg+X9oBKJrprkI i79dQ59zy3IlHzQ40MQikb24YJngLwxO6oCW0aEQfNuVkpbvbtzfenEGIfEHGCZL9GcWthu4v n5h87pbcr+gvR5tukxA4ufgoYHz2jkbbUWWcfFWNNFOaT/3USSVJkZQbOTd9U+mNmS30lRfUz QhV/lCTMmFP9pLr0POHi7TQH6TPDdWdqyPMB/7n5Zl8QvGjZ3lqz8yXjVaBKo5fVB5aodqcN4 2SSr1tyfDNlAq65ObkGcwWtLW7TSe9P5YgKTle2xvKyPHP2XTGYcXFMjWeAAVSAp8MBMMXcJf qGnuLOCuueaoS4lNU78Q== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most codeblock classes to instead of X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:53:58 -0000 Am 19.02.2021 um 09:06 schrieb Julian Reschke: > ... > Slightly related to this: it seems we need to come up with > recommendations about what is artwork and what is sourcecode. For > instance, in the HTTP specs, is a HTTP message example (or a header > field example) artwork or sourcecode? > ... -> Best regards, Julian From nobody Fri Feb 19 01:03:25 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859013A129D for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 01:03:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ojWS5PuwN0KB for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 01:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 080883A129E for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 01:03:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1613725390; bh=yZmoVAS5ivmPT2rmiSQfBk/5cZasViQV7mxSLJZjpuA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=i+DWpqN1vdlq6Kld+BWffWiqjYAb5IDxLxhT84yZvY9WUoxmFWsN/01q1VEIxwh7U +Y141V+TKxvvr7MWHnJVVhXy82UIdyj525jQqhIa68Un0Xwvsz8SkYl5qRGwQ5uk0i iMXOV9Nxp4ym3CrpB1d6C1vZ+NsDWHua4hEnswT4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.182] ([84.171.158.62]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MbzuB-1liDq63kSd-00dWJN; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 10:03:09 +0100 To: Carsten Bormann Cc: rfc-markdown@ietf.org References: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> <20210219072402.GA151175@miek.nl> <77684aa0-dcdb-fc38-8d31-86f2f5ae2ede@gmx.de> <22FFC094-63C4-43E8-8FDA-28832DD7FF28@tzi.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 10:03:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:D/ZsslielqJkVXOMqa2s7LJbUJ4r/DZPwH4eY36z8CjBwyGS5qq xc6rZRhRDEUXWaV3EaW5YB8gTJ2xuXlRjIq/1B0buGfXBpjnkoGDzYSqr0+sBlHJoOiHMwL M/I8/T0WdwpeX+750AWJgEowwZ8eS2VvxDSqgexauLbGmZUy2arXNk7jPvlRvdUqomtcd8o GsHEVCrKotAH5HggT8yvA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:pZgI4m4+xqM=:fYfi8bJJUJP/azTBaZxrBK 1pfbF+Vjp1bSF8Uyc5tZGZ2YUpMMiSrdp+gksgmEB9fMJ63/KOCv4o/E/W8mUlVlOEDzxGXIP rCQLWhSAyR/YMtSKP4/xy8pc/NTHrZUf+NFsqlABajgcbZousntPkPIpDmqiQSPkk0tXu9dNu fp8knlf5EjjbjYUpL4TGe3O+LQKtXyyazBmRgGmgWUUOWPnLujHzFG/phGjgKFFx8u/3GMSNE xFhi+9QIxVaiHAZwOiLUoVuDFipx5uvuJQ8N/Xbuar+IcIyeylG7UxvsZDZtqqtQDcUHJ0kAO ioMMhsYsmNOj03nkfZStW8BeM27FYKkPMWqHPAEknv7Y60SivMzuOKXH4lvIUwpANx7toYK59 QcXtZ4HgoCeOsWHMu1HCMnQ9dNUsLyKCKr85Rzf1TT2Gf2jPKCTFPfVy7SlNbA7P/uQFdGaPZ GtKJkLh2Q/CVcLnUmt/WT1gPoZ7KXSimFPn3osekqLOuu62+OF2sYxqXCvYRulFIvf6hPWGLo 3qzVcvRCn8hVQOpoLoB3xJZMJ5uM8qu481JUw/K8OlqbHMrb7AONTNyVWnzJ0eYfs+UDBzub/ jAwE5Mj/SiezK/5tYDWFVDAn2fr80l4J84ef8oomzSqdNS1zVnuih3SO5aGWOLQczh1lRbjU0 ud794Vt0lSl71BiQr0mM0rKySygezRUVLZ6hPAcRCROILa86Xj3fWV9khg6FAR0YBWXkdej5X F3o65RIDd6sxZ9asG0kfUalQSBKvwanczQuVIRz+N7zl0mfMMdYuJ65oums4fgwwNU/UTt67c 76c+4WehlDvy6BopgY0/Vqw03clOSQLONkFWu2xhbHWbqzRh0LO77Y2uUFzSYrdKKcUjwgNkK EIpTwpKav6Qu9BmDrORQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most codeblock classes to instead of X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:03:25 -0000 Am 19.02.2021 um 09:47 schrieb Carsten Bormann: > On 2021-02-19, at 09:45, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bormann-core-media-content-type-= format/ > > Sorry, my intent here is probably better visible in the current editor= =E2=80=99s version: > > https://cabo.github.io/mtct/draft-bormann-core-media-content-type-format= .html > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten So I see : > 7. Discussion > > The ABNF given here is provisional and may need some more cleanup: We ne= ed to unify the various forms of reg-name, token, etc. > (ABNF just shown for illustration is centered, in an aside, and tagged w= ith in the XML, while the normative ABNF of= this memo is left-aligned and tagged with .)= We need to discuss case-insensitivity, which is usually rather insensitive= . FWIW, if you cite a specific piece of ABNF from other specs for illustration, why not use
for that? That should make the distinction very visible. Best regards, Julian From nobody Sun Feb 21 11:57:02 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CF73A1069 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 11:57:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ul8roOL-4EGi; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 11:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from jays-mbp.localdomain (unknown [158.140.230.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 097433A1066; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 11:56:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Daley Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FCF5F385-252A-4CDF-BB2C-B1F766B94F8E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 08:56:54 +1300 In-Reply-To: Cc: Julian Reschke , rfc-markdown@ietf.org To: Carsten Bormann References: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> <20210219072402.GA151175@miek.nl> <77684aa0-dcdb-fc38-8d31-86f2f5ae2ede@gmx.de> <22FFC094-63C4-43E8-8FDA-28832DD7FF28@tzi.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most codeblock classes to instead of X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:57:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FCF5F385-252A-4CDF-BB2C-B1F766B94F8E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 19/02/2021, at 9:47 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > On 2021-02-19, at 09:45, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>=20 >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bormann-core-media-content-type-for= mat/ >=20 > Sorry, my intent here is probably better visible in the current = editor=E2=80=99s version: >=20 > = https://cabo.github.io/mtct/draft-bormann-core-media-content-type-format.h= tml I=E2=80=99m not sure I understand - do you mean that you want it = indented to show that you are quoting the ABNF or do mean that you want = a different alignment. I ask because I can=E2=80=99t see a different = alignment. Jay >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Rfc-markdown mailing list > Rfc-markdown@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-markdown --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_FCF5F385-252A-4CDF-BB2C-B1F766B94F8E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On 19/02/2021, at 9:47 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> = wrote:

On 2021-02-19, at 09:45, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bormann-core-media-conte= nt-type-format/

Sorry, my = intent here is probably better visible in the current editor=E2=80=99s = version:

https://cabo.github.io/mtct/draft-bormann-core-media-content-ty= pe-format.html

I=E2=80=99m not sure I understand - do you mean = that you want it indented to show that you are quoting the ABNF or do = mean that you want a different alignment.  I ask because I can=E2=80=99= t see a different alignment.

Jay


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= --Apple-Mail=_FCF5F385-252A-4CDF-BB2C-B1F766B94F8E-- From nobody Sun Feb 21 16:38:31 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7F93A08C5; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:38:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2DxDe7GmkUPY; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A706F3A08C0; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.152] (p5089a828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.168.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DkNZh0qp8zyhT; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:38:20 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_44A0C4B6-DA27-49D7-82A3-EFC7840B498F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:38:19 +0100 Cc: Julian Reschke , rfc-markdown@ietf.org, RFC Interest Group Message-Id: References: <4E1735EC-A5DD-4201-A6EA-2285D5CC9C21@tzi.org> <20210219072402.GA151175@miek.nl> <77684aa0-dcdb-fc38-8d31-86f2f5ae2ede@gmx.de> <22FFC094-63C4-43E8-8FDA-28832DD7FF28@tzi.org> To: Jay Daley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.34: map most codeblock classes to instead of X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 00:38:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_44A0C4B6-DA27-49D7-82A3-EFC7840B498F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> Sorry, my intent here is probably better visible in the current = editor=E2=80=99s version: >>=20 >> = https://cabo.github.io/mtct/draft-bormann-core-media-content-type-format.h= tml = >=20 > I=E2=80=99m not sure I understand - do you mean that you want it = indented to show that you are quoting the ABNF or do mean that you want = a different alignment. I ask because I can=E2=80=99t see a different = alignment. I was essentially trying to separate the ABNF quoted for reference from = the ABNF that is part of this specification. As you can see, this doesn=E2=80=99t work very well in the HTML (better = for figure 1, where it is obvious this is centred, than for figure 4). The distinction is much easier to see in the plaintext, where = aside/blockquote get much stronger visual support. So this may not be the perfect example, but it was a case where I was = trying to center source code. My criticism of the current grammar is that there are lots of arbitrary = differences between different contexts in which things can be used, and = these arbitrary differences seem to be driven by the combination of (1) = a desire to enforce a weird perception of =E2=80=9Cgood style=E2=80=9D = with (2) a lack of imagination. Much less of this would probably have = happened if the grammar had been properly factorized. The grammar style = to repeat everything everywhere seems to suggest one should endlessly = tweak any single one of the clones so they are all subtly different, = leading to the current jungle. CCing rfc-interest, because this is a problem not with, but for writing = IETF documents in markdown. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten --Apple-Mail=_44A0C4B6-DA27-49D7-82A3-EFC7840B498F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Sorry, my intent here is = probably better visible in the current editor=E2=80=99s version:

https://cabo.github.io/mtct/draft-bormann-core-media-content-ty= pe-format.html

I=E2=80=99m not sure I = understand - do you mean that you want it indented to show that you are = quoting the ABNF or do mean that you want a different alignment.  I = ask because I can=E2=80=99t see a different = alignment.

I= was essentially trying to separate the ABNF quoted for reference from = the ABNF that is part of this specification.
As you can see, = this doesn=E2=80=99t work very well in the HTML (better for figure 1, = where it is obvious this is centred, than for figure 4).
The = distinction is much easier to see in the plaintext, where = aside/blockquote get much stronger visual support.

So this may not be the perfect example, but it was = a case where I was trying to center source code.

My criticism of the current grammar is that there = are lots of arbitrary differences between different contexts in which = things can be used, and these arbitrary differences seem to be driven by = the combination of (1) a desire to enforce a weird perception of =E2=80=9C= good style=E2=80=9D with (2) a lack of imagination.  Much less of = this would probably have happened if the grammar had been properly = factorized.  The grammar style to repeat everything everywhere = seems to suggest one should endlessly tweak any single one of the clones = so they are all subtly different, leading to the current = jungle.

CCing rfc-interest, because = this is a problem not with, but for writing IETF documents in = markdown.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, = Carsten

= --Apple-Mail=_44A0C4B6-DA27-49D7-82A3-EFC7840B498F-- From nobody Tue Feb 23 13:08:14 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rfc-markdown@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4506C3A0BAB for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:08:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.797 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TRACKER_ID=0.1, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kZrL80BoimYf for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0497D3A0BA0 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.168.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DlWqC192tzyZ7; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 22:08:07 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 635807286.34206-9d42202613e0aa5366eae4b72b838743 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 22:08:06 +0100 Message-Id: To: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: [Rfc-markdown] 1.3.36: new: kramdown-rfc-cache-i-d-bibxml X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 21:08:12 -0000 TL;DR: You don=E2=80=99t need the below. But it can make you faster and work better while offline. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten Many of us have been using rsync to get copies of the bibxml files on = xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org so we did not have to wait for kramdown-rfc to = fetch updates. However, datatracker currently does not offer rsyncing, = so you couldn=E2=80=99t get the bibxml3 directory right from the = horse=E2=80=99s mouth. Now you can. 1.3.36 comes with a new command: kramdown-rfc-cache-i-d-bibxml This does a cache preload: it sends copies of the bibxml for all = active(*) I-Ds (both numbered and up-to-date references) to your = KRAMDOWN_REFCACHEDIR. (The environment variable KRAMDOWN_REFCACHEDIR should point to = ~/.cache/xml2rfc to share a cache between xml2rfc and kramdown-rfc. If = it is not set at all, you will be warned, but the command will happily = proceed with that default. Kramdown-rfc still defaults to ./.refcache, = though, so it won=E2=80=99t find the cache...) The command is rather expensive(**) on the first call (initial pull), = but quite efficient after that (update pull). You could put the invocation into your crontab. Even though it=E2=80=99s = quite fast, it is probably not worth calling it more than once an hour, = because the all_id2.txt file on which it builds currently isn=E2=80=99t = refreshed more often. kramdown-rfc-cache-i-d-bibxml is not for everyone: it needs at least = 2016=E2=80=99s Ruby 2.4 (***) and an install of the gem = "net-http-persistent" (not installed as a requirement by default, as it = may be problematic on some older platforms). (*) So kramdown-rfc=E2=80=99s existing caching engine will take care of = your very few references to outdated I-Ds referenced by version number = and expired I-Ds. (**) including for datatracker itself =E2=80=94 it makes some 3600 HTTP = requests in a row on an initial pull. So don=E2=80=99t do that 20 = minutes before the I-D deadline =E2=80=94 be prepared, and only do = update pulls in times of I-D frenzy. [And now you know why I'm pushing this update a day after the I-D = deadline :-)] (***) If you have a Mac, and are using the system Ruby, this means it = works on Catalina and higher. We do prefer using a homebrew-installed = Ruby in any case. 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X-BeenThere: rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "rfc-markdown is a discussion list for people writing I-Ds and RFCs in Markdown and the authors of the tools used for that." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 15:07:50 -0000 1.3.37: contributors to be listed in the contributor section can now be = annotated with text that will be added to that section after their = contact information. The text is entered in the =E2=80=9Ccontribution=E2=80=9D entry of the = contact information for a contributor. It is markdown and can contain paragraph breaks and other markup, as = shown below (with some author information as context, which is not shown = in the rendering). Note that YAML has the =E2=80=9C|=E2=80=9D syntax that is strongly = recommended for entering markdown text into YAML entries. author: - name: Carsten Bormann org: Universit=C3=A4t Bremen TZI email: cabo@tzi.org contributor: - name: Peter Occil email: poccil14 at gmail dot com contribution: | Peter Occil registered tags 30, 264, 265, 268=E2=80=93270 ({{advanced-arithmetic}}), 38, 257, 266 and 267 ({{domain-specific}}), and contributed much of the text about these tags in this document. - name: Jane Doe org: To do contribution: | Further contributors will be listed here as text is added. Plase stay tuned. =E2=9E=94=20 Contributors Peter Occil Email: poccil14 at gmail dot com Peter Occil registered tags 30, 264, 265, 268-270 (Section 6.1), 38, 257, 266 and 267 (Section 7), and contributed much of the text about these tags in this document. Jane Doe To do Further contributors will be listed here as text is added. Plase stay tuned. Note that the text rendition of the XML generated contains some spurious = empty lines between contact and text; there is no obvious workaround = until this is fixed in xml2rfc. The HTML seems fine. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On 2021-02-26, at 13:18, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > V3 has a contributors section. > Kramdown-rfc can generate that from metadata that look exactly like = author metadata (so it=E2=80=99s easy to shift back and forward). > What we don=E2=80=99t have is a way to add annotations to that (no = extra RFCXML support needed, as the kramdown-rfc result would then look = a lot like the below). >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 >> On 26. Feb 2021, at 11:51, Julian Reschke = wrote: >>=20 >> You can do something like: >>=20 >>
>> >> >> Sam wrote . >>
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