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Europe Daylight Time) From: Magnus Nystrom Reply-To: magnus@rsasecurity.com To: IETF SACRED WG Subject: SACRED will not meet in Vancouver unless changes in IPR status Message-ID: X-X-Sender: mnystrom@[10.80.211.17] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY=------------040600080506030308010109 Content-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2005 15:20:53.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[61725EB0:01C5C509] Sender: owner-ietf-sacred@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --------------040600080506030308010109 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; FORMAT=flowed; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Dear All, Consistent with our earlier messages, Stephen and I will not ask for a SACRED meeting slot at the IETF Vancouver meeting unless there is progress in the IPR status area. As you can see from the attached, that progress will need to happen quite soon, as the deadline for WG scheduling is next Monday. Also consistent with earlier discussions, in the absence of IPR status progress, we will likely ask the ADs to disband the working group or, alternatively, that it becomes dormant. If you disagree with any of the above we need to know it now! Thanks, -- Magnus --------------040600080506030308010109 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822; NAME="Reminder: WG scheduling deadline" Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: INLINE; FILENAME="Reminder: WG scheduling deadline" Return-Path: X-Original-To: stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Delivered-To: stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Received: from smtp.cs.tcd.ie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6061E182F3 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:16:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by smtp.cs.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350A62556 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:16:48 +0100 (IST) Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EKlAt-0004W0-HZ for sec-chairs@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:17:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA20412 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stratton-four-o-two.mit.edu ([18.187.6.147] helo=carter-zimmerman.mit.edu) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKlIM-000774-F5 for sec-chairs@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:25:03 -0400 Received: by carter-zimmerman.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 65F18E0049; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:17:09 -0400 (EDT) To: sec-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Reminder: WG scheduling deadline From: Sam Hartman Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:17:09 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scan-Signature: 6d62ab47271805379d7172ee693a45db X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on relay.cs.tcd.ie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 This is just a reminder that Monday, October 3 is the WG scheduling deadline. 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