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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Lsoe88YQnOPzt6vGS1mwQF9yL0Npv1EG7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] Requesting input on a potential future meeting city - Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2020 23:23:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Lsoe88YQnOPzt6vGS1mwQF9yL0Npv1EG7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="hUrOnbgNyG0AYJY77YXQ4GBNqDZDkMgAE"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: venue-selection@ietf.org Message-ID: <9608610e-b2d1-44c7-1dc8-ca911b68e2d8@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: Requesting input on a potential future meeting city - Hiroshima References: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> --hUrOnbgNyG0AYJY77YXQ4GBNqDZDkMgAE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 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I've no reason to think it'd be other than that once travels of any kind are ok again. S On 06/07/2020 00:19, IETF Executive Director wrote: > The IETF Administration LLC is seeking community input on the city of H= iroshima, which it is considering as a future meeting venue. >=20 > Your comments are used to identify any areas in which this city may be = non-compliant with the IETF=E2=80=99s meeting venue requirements. [1] >=20 > To provide comments, please send email to venue-selection@ietf.org with= "Hiroshima" in the subject line. This is a publicly visible one-way e-m= ail address: You can read the comments [2], but you cannot subscribe to i= t. >=20 >=20 > Also, please note that the LLC and Secretariat are reviewing the proces= s for meeting venue selection that was developed by the IAOC [3] with a v= iew to proposing a new process that will in future allow for more structu= red and substantive community input. >=20 --------------5676A47FCB8ECA789CFDBED0 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQINBFo9UDIBEADUH4ZPcUnX5WWRWO4kEkHea5Y5eEvZjSwe/YA+G0nrTuOU9nem CP5PMvmh5Cg8gBTyWyN4Z2+O25p9Tja5zUb+vPMWYvOtokRrp46yhFZOmiS5b6kT q0IqYzsEv5HI58S+QtaFq978CRa4xH9Gi9u4yzUmT03QNIGDXE37honcAM4MOEtE gvw4fVhVWJuyy3w//0F2tzKrEMjmL5VGuD/Q9+G/7abuXiYNNd9ZFjv4625AUWwy +pAh4EKzS1FE7BOZp9daMu9MUQmDqtZUbUv0Q+DnQAB/4tNncejJPz0p2z3MWCp5 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 11:25:41 +1200 References: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> To: venue-selection@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-Id: <873E5ED2-D80A-4652-BE7D-3CA9527D46D9@live555.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] Requesting input on a potential future meeting city - Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2020 23:25:45 -0000 I have fond memories of attending IETF76 in Hiroshima in 2009. = Hiroshima was an excellent choice, and I=E2=80=99d be happy to return = there. Ross. 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([2601:18b:300:36ee:d43f:5159:a31e:a2df]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x26sm17766936qtr.4.2020.07.05.17.22.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jul 2020 17:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ted Lemon Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 20:22:51 -0400 Message-Id: <120B0B9A-F309-4E21-A2DF-CA342B180EF3@fugue.com> References: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> Cc: IETF Announcement List In-Reply-To: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> To: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18A5301v) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:34:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] Requesting input on a potential future meeting city - Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 00:22:57 -0000 I loved Hiroshima and would happily go again. I=E2=80=99m not convinced that= it=E2=80=99s a good venue for disabled participants. But it would be a draw= for me despite the challenges.=20 > On Jul 5, 2020, at 19:21, IETF Executive Director = wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFThe IETF Administration LLC is seeking community input on the cit= y of Hiroshima, which it is considering as a future meeting venue. >=20 > Your comments are used to identify any areas in which this city may be non= -compliant with the IETF=E2=80=99s meeting venue requirements. [1] >=20 > To provide comments, please send email to venue-selection@ietf.org with "H= iroshima" in the subject line. This is a publicly visible one-way e-mail ad= dress: You can read the comments [2], but you cannot subscribe to it. >=20 >=20 > Also, please note that the LLC and Secretariat are reviewing the process f= or meeting venue selection that was developed by the IAOC [3] with a view to= proposing a new process that will in future allow for more structured and s= ubstantive community input. >=20 > --=20 > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director >=20 >=20 > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8718 > [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/venue-selection > [3] https://iaoc.ietf.org/venue-selection-roles-and-processes.html >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce From nobody Sun Jul 5 19:35:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1DC3A0C4F for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=me.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DClhLQaFe9DU for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mr85p00im-ztdg06011201.me.com (mr85p00im-ztdg06011201.me.com [17.58.23.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AC8D3A0C4E for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:23:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=1a1hai; t=1593995035; bh=b3IFrJFk00mWhEqMIDUp3BjOnKPca0bq/UkBScqV3tk=; h=From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=p//Q3+7UxpPnOdUXMsKlz/ljOvIeU2rkjPPkiHF2q9LmFxI1GDvfuoZseOXecoZPY LRGkwVCeEX6SJd19ivMmL3EGTdcL/EWiVzoTuzbfQEL2Mnij9zCs4iu03G6puuSF0d CigQxwZGcnAt8ceblDwV8VYJCyesACwucY9946l8hIgzS/uvQcb9wp5wCcHT8s7Kvk dI+4elCxDTNmOJiow9uytySvSAdaSnSv4Hkc/Vg9LxlOHn2LwJHUgu4nFGs1cAoTFT oyl/C3lbBZB3Er0jqNnuocykA7zecnxC/YvfnECGeInFtu8SUIPxSci46KJEwL45cJ +skwjAa9jAiqQ== Received: from [192.168.1.133] (157-131-170-137.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net [157.131.170.137]) by mr85p00im-ztdg06011201.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 189CC40045B; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 00:23:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Ole Jacobsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:23:54 -0700 Message-Id: <97A68051-9419-48A3-981E-482F9ED3DD5E@me.com> Cc: Ole Jacobsen To: venue-selection@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.235, 18.0.687 definitions=2020-07-05_16:2020-07-02, 2020-07-05 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=535 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2007060002 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:34:55 -0700 Subject: [Venue-selection] Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 00:23:57 -0000 Hiroshima would indeed be an excellent choice for another IETF meeting. The Crowne Plaza hotel which we used last time may be a little small depending on our group size, but otherwise I have no concerns about the city. Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org Skype: organdemo From nobody Sun Jul 5 19:35:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3883A0C5D for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fo9tM6XLplX8 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCCFA3A0C59 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id f18so30989236wrs.0 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2020 17:30:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:cc:to; bh=bsAxtvcILLNJIU7UMcSiRus+SYPFeDl6kNplQC+TD+E=; b=SQB442dT5i+d4eN6KxS5k0nSfZQ5Sb+w/umSGlzMIrbXe0BqBy1NsjP6WuW0VIorU0 Jc0LsGNQi7gS2OwVHBHNZbYP5K5+BAb670HvS3rbQ8oTA3ifokIe9ejSwHI/IwSJG4bv wFXBrKiptWOJe5KqxRl4XvMZy316jEmdu+iVXqN763cv+ccYSAF2oPg223kYnYvYS5j8 DFTWU9NeD+XDywGo3RA3XAb5oFvFYxiuSFd9W+THCSUUjt9k2r83DxIGSqV/twPOLtSo 257M1eN8aWu+EJF0KnSGsa79HnNKECm64SF+e0+WNK8YdqFjw6BYZzOu2XUqjPk3aS6L lbUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:cc:to; bh=bsAxtvcILLNJIU7UMcSiRus+SYPFeDl6kNplQC+TD+E=; b=Yph3DLkOSfpYwWjwQTGaI3j47P2393HiLI3FYFTLtO4eH6ZhmpxWuUPVdan8l9fr1v ZZsoP8Yg3cd4iOrcf21XdE6T4TOcNBX9/IqycrWUneLEZo5YVR1VlJSTsBbDYA3GEBuZ RF3SfPWq+Ro86TqgyvBQPLD23nJ4JxZIRlM5Q1QV8wFaacGfwY4Vf1LgOJJoKJaaS73i a/MLpxPhksCyNYfMT56GqkbVfSpVBfMhvUeaJNOos1IOcPhbhcv4RkEbClnmco92YDN3 vIL9RKt6KZf9L8yyrN9ItagHgKpCz0DIHSDpqXPRKXXlJ2e9AZuCZAVqj22TLzkTx1BS SUGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533ayDVgOHj5OmEfUm76UknHe6oGwK6GxUQ61jyXzQo9iwCXE24C lDisYeXEHoMIwWIj5/Vcl/J04goJ+3c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwAh/JcRgjhhl7lvsfTGFMDdOdEcrDM5H+btQ4fk8AIuVDx2hNietP9O9dEZdMfSi2D6TRrsQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:e40e:: with SMTP id g14mr50088497wrm.271.1593995402029; Sun, 05 Jul 2020 17:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:5a00:ef0b:fd90:5c08:d042:d841? ([2601:647:5a00:ef0b:fd90:5c08:d042:d841]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a15sm25073322wrh.54.2020.07.05.17.30.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jul 2020 17:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2DA19A6E-0572-48BF-A907-92603B6FD63B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Message-Id: <5277FFFC-8100-49CB-9EC1-BBD93D74A821@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:29:55 -0700 Cc: Bob Hinden To: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:34:55 -0700 Subject: [Venue-selection] Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 00:30:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2DA19A6E-0572-48BF-A907-92603B6FD63B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think it would be fine to have another meeting in Hiroshima. 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Malis" Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 00:18:19 -0400 Message-ID: To: venue-selection@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c35b7905a9be2a32" Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 04:18:32 -0000 --000000000000c35b7905a9be2a32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" We had a great meeting in Hiroshima. It would be a fine city to return to. Cheers, Andy --000000000000c35b7905a9be2a32 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
We had a great meeting in Hiroshima. It would be a fine city to return to.

Cheers,
Andy

--000000000000c35b7905a9be2a32-- From nobody Sun Jul 5 21:47:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00393A0F15 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 21:47:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.234 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.234 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RbiGm41IPxi3 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 21:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796CE3A0F14 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 21:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from samuels-air (c-24-63-251-193.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.251.193]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4898D49A4F for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 04:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 00:47:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Samuel Weiler To: venue-selection@ietf.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.23 (OSX 453 2020-06-18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 04:47:15 -0000 IMHO, Hiroshima does not meet the travel burden criterion from rfc8718. Things may have improved marginally since 2009, with increased international flights into Haneda airport, but I understand the Hiroshima airport is still an ~1 hour surface trip from town, and that is after a domestic connecting flight, including the possibility of needing to do an awkward terminal change at NRT. (Terminal changes at NRT can be horrible.) Alternatively, it is a 2.5-3 hour train trip from KIX. Either way, it is too much travel time. I also have memories of the 2009 venue hotel (the ANA Crowne Plaza) having too-small meeting spaces and much-too-small hallways. That memory is vague, but I note that adequate space is one of our few mandatory selection criteria. All that said, I adore Hiroshima. I would be delighted to go back. Unfortunately, Hiroshima does not meet the rfc8718 criteria. -- Sam From nobody Mon Jul 6 02:31:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8953A1293 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 02:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=csperkins.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cYeJQkt6nkME for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 02:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haggis.mythic-beasts.com (haggis.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:86:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6FA73A129D for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 02:30:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=csperkins.org; s=mythic-beasts-k1; h=To:Date:Subject:From; bh=XmK+Vy7LMHh4nUoGGfNK4Dqvi2aydiVZC3JLdOLPCsI=; b=kfQpom1Q5adfunTlKmVu+oeQrC ZbMApibdC6zFjW+oJVVaY/R/KCiezZ0VIcy5KSmXFiFB4kaKelAZx9I21yi7sUSWh88iF98t/XfvN caPco7MTnIKNXo+qkPDOrQmvQulYn4tPhJ2vwQNmyei+2UaHxEmodpDQX0vcHdLQsBJJcnxCSqYm7 JImngTS4mJigXhl+4uM9omSTXIdFA0N9EdTbXaitoccalujUGzKBQy39a8T11Y+755t6FvF87ezUl BQsO2OEHbCOY0OpgVZQ9lAAoKPPE/kRK4YIv5VgkuGkhc8BbNSkxZFCSeYHAeKLWQ9dfOLequ15nl KFZU9oUA==; Received: from [81.187.2.149] (port=41230 helo=[192.168.0.80]) by haggis.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jsNSi-0000pQ-P3 for venue-selection@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 10:30:57 +0100 From: Colin Perkins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 10:30:54 +0100 References: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> To: venue-selection@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-Id: <6DDBED9B-7256-4DF7-8A9D-57C2FB06CDD1@csperkins.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 4 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] Requesting input on a potential future meeting city - Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 09:31:08 -0000 Hi, Hiroshima worked well last time we went =E2=80=93 if we ever get to meet = in-person again, I think it would be a good choice for a venue. Colin > On 6 Jul 2020, at 00:19, IETF Executive Director = wrote: >=20 > The IETF Administration LLC is seeking community input on the city of = Hiroshima, which it is considering as a future meeting venue. >=20 > Your comments are used to identify any areas in which this city may be = non-compliant with the IETF=E2=80=99s meeting venue requirements. [1] >=20 > To provide comments, please send email to venue-selection@ietf.org = with "Hiroshima" in the subject line. This is a publicly visible = one-way e-mail address: You can read the comments [2], but you cannot = subscribe to it. >=20 >=20 > Also, please note that the LLC and Secretariat are reviewing the = process for meeting venue selection that was developed by the IAOC [3] = with a view to proposing a new process that will in future allow for = more structured and substantive community input. >=20 > --=20 > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director >=20 >=20 > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8718 > [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/venue-selection > [3] https://iaoc.ietf.org/venue-selection-roles-and-processes.html >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce From nobody Mon Jul 6 05:47:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3AE3A1481 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 05:47:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Hfr2Maox_jk for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 05:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf1-x432.google.com (mail-pf1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 912EC3A1464 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 05:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x432.google.com with SMTP id u5so16930600pfn.7 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 05:47:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BmqUhH8pFUcvLISt6vyAcvarT45Tf7OZoMqUSUC48p4=; b=fxpcvzL0wQbiJmcBdB4seVcU5j9GPukhSPBQ5umu7LlivwGUqL37Ue9u220g3XOFbL dyD3Uaw2f1R6G12b1Zy1khcQuph5Rjkfg0RV6p5t6/0KlaLsAZRAYtp72I7TxXtX2eTF BF8ZV0sU5pMg1Kn4qmD660Td4wvtHHxVV5tnf2cmPbPJI2z14UK1/e7qiBfoTOwR+l7A 0M4SMqA6Y8J/+R69hEng54+H9oIFXBeuREapvpFOlf3v5NxxZ3vggebTh2BfatNaGaWX 3x5rjj/y8XSuAXR7FguyMPShSV1fWhmSKMfe+8J79ChmcPKc+nnV8UR/HxtE5nSkxqgm 01RQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=BmqUhH8pFUcvLISt6vyAcvarT45Tf7OZoMqUSUC48p4=; b=ACp426ozO8V2FVSnu6HExI9xjico3V5eLp/5UX1aD1JWiU5Rpti75qr7xN9ikmG7/P KXyy0fr2Tw7kWQrP8JACr0PTd8y9EMSlfMzA94FKMzXuvi6zFOpkeP7U4meoqJ3M6W2+ ZDBbPgIdISwmqQkbFNkPIn0hV7c3UeOfwdtVMVVD6gumaUO8Ewemk8+OIr0zb7ULBIKw wIIbtlkjFFXylbkgG8+OYdbh9BDO6pELBpluFfkBe+MLJy04Ee/6jeMl7MtD5iPTvfeU yYB/IgHz8P/RDxOgdaLbIOuA0rqhO+BoerhCWIZuU8pBDl+wM5/OLsltEj30sf5j6K5A 1FVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530uwXRk+CbEuF/+0aNGFemS3q1oJQXoL8G3l+bcJE+A3GN60bQl bbEy+V/b/YOSljtT1AHB87k2OwSZMl0E8Xt/G76zHA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzu4ewsDiyKIEJ2FCYPDA1sdvdkTRRAH2gKs/Aqt8VPebWhnkAtaiIV06OWYjH8flhyRmUa03XtACQ4oUowNBE= X-Received: by 2002:a62:de81:: with SMTP id h123mr44169653pfg.217.1594039651762; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 05:47:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <159399119912.28118.8955506374675113748@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Mary Barnes Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 07:47:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: venue-selection@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000033873405a9c547c1" Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 12:47:35 -0000 --00000000000033873405a9c547c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Overall, I thought Hiroshima was a great place for a meeting. The only negative was the last hop. You either had to make a connection to a smaller airport or take the train. With my schedule, I would have arrived very late using the train and it's been a while, but I think the connection (i.e. airport train to central station) was very tight. So I opted to overnite at a hotel very near the train station and that worked great. Regards, Mary ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: IETF Executive Director Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 6:21 PM Subject: Requesting input on a potential future meeting city - Hiroshima To: IETF Announcement List The IETF Administration LLC is seeking community input on the city of Hiroshima, which it is considering as a future meeting venue. Your comments are used to identify any areas in which this city may be non-compliant with the IETF=E2=80=99s meeting venue requirements. [1] To provide comments, please send email to venue-selection@ietf.org with "Hiroshima" in the subject line. This is a publicly visible one-way e-mail address: You can read the comments [2], but you cannot subscribe to it. Also, please note that the LLC and Secretariat are reviewing the process for meeting venue selection that was developed by the IAOC [3] with a view to proposing a new process that will in future allow for more structured and substantive community input. --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8718 [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/venue-selection [3] https://iaoc.ietf.org/venue-selection-roles-and-processes.html _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce --00000000000033873405a9c547c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Overall, I thought=C2=A0Hiroshima was a great place for a = meeting. The only negative was the last hop.=C2=A0 You either had to make a= connection to a smaller airport or take the train. With my schedule, I wou= ld have arrived very late using the train and it's been a while, but I = think the connection (i.e. airport train to central station) was very tight= .=C2=A0 =C2=A0So I opted to overnite=C2=A0at a hotel very near the train st= ation and that worked great.

Regards,
Mary
=
------= ---- Forwarded message ---------
From: IETF Executive Director <exec-director@ietf.org>=
Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 6:21 PM
Subject: Requesting input on a pot= ential future meeting city - Hiroshima
To: IETF Announcement List <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
<= /div>

The IETF Administration LLC is seeking community input on the = city of Hiroshima, which it is considering as a future meeting venue.

Your comments are used to identify any areas in which this city may be non-= compliant with the IETF=E2=80=99s meeting venue requirements. [1]

To provide comments, please send email to venue-selection@ietf.org with "Hirosh= ima" in the subject line.=C2=A0 This is a publicly visible one-way e-m= ail address: You can read the comments [2], but you cannot subscribe to it.=


Also, please note that the LLC and Secretariat are reviewing the process fo= r meeting venue selection that was developed by the IAOC [3] with a view to= proposing a new process that will in future allow for more structured and = substantive community input.

--
Jay Daley
IETF Executive Director


[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8718
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse= /venue-selection
[3] https://iaoc.ietf.org/venue-select= ion-roles-and-processes.html

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--00000000000033873405a9c547c1-- From nobody Mon Jul 6 07:52:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B92A3A15BB for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 07:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e4_yNwxgnbft for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 07:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E36153A15B9 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 07:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC3E300B3B for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 10:52:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id HUsinjZUUO1z for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 10:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2AABC300670 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 10:52:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 10:52:29 -0400 To: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 14:52:34 -0000 The previous meeting in Hiroshima was very good. The facilities were = just fine. The people were gracious, even when IETFers were not. The = sake tasting at the social was amazing. I would love to go there again.= From nobody Mon Jul 6 08:28:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF653A1649 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7rZ18jVwx-0H for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oo1-xc33.google.com (mail-oo1-xc33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BBC33A164E for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oo1-xc33.google.com with SMTP id x2so381704oog.5 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=g1Lmy7EiEZSP+apuchroO8DP/0HP6SokM/VKHIYuKo4=; b=gMRf9B3E97cYFd6tU7P2n+LycJvPgSKhAEgA0Yg9Rc7G1nkqqreC0EO89ZxNlBYLox 4fpWpBVEo7lr9poO7IND+F1oYcUnwR5BNycYsCWERxzio4C5uT8hmM5C6DgZOSlbiqob Vd8k8W9kPFc2wkAjlyo6chcSrXLhO3mIje4RIo8NqNLkLpjnJA8Zv9jIfGUCUX01hGg9 gfPnfvrhukijWVwvnxCr9Yg4QXrbqY96hLhUtOCZ2+PWThFJu23dCh0fejq5hvbqYljt McpMjLKxfOsiNja7X3IFxH9hauuvimRR6CGSn0/4QtdHTa2iUC6GAwJ2adHrxnXB7lt8 19CQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=g1Lmy7EiEZSP+apuchroO8DP/0HP6SokM/VKHIYuKo4=; b=VjAha3EYvGi0I9XGwCHje8RmHXJiIpGDl1JwmErnJeve74j3RrX5jR2rScn20Po5UY Y5YWCh4a48S1E/JX+flSy6iDwUwpXK//D6G9F1zTU3W1SEGFZ1iqY5y77rdqN8UGSUMN HXd+d0YT+MVGjkqViPqJMnYOkCH7gMNsXrAsbbUSPsd7ozd7X9STveKF5vlvf4j7JVoS jzju7sx7dLoBXy/BQRXOXa+6N1nDYcmyQ49BeykD3YV8XBKwRkuG1djY9XcoIOnxJLd5 ggwJhEuID+zE2vLNqhuL1a/fkzJlNbN9l9/hfvsss2UXP+/EO96m1knMOLHFk27RzGAz HrGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530E/Y9a83UfjieZI+2mqx0LBuTPrjq3+T6xsvjvbz0rN0SZZfy3 iKLuHTYvRYppwnSoZtgcHNmX0r1kzkLqVbfov213LNk9 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzBQzKdgaZw3aWJgBcX/xeIBmP3C09WpuFEa7HIRbEvCgkgRm+Iwx9i/sJatV/UsEmGAZxqXcbVVPl81bEqkD4= X-Received: by 2002:a4a:e496:: with SMTP id s22mr42505384oov.67.1594049286593; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 08:28:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ted Hardie Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 08:27:40 -0700 Message-ID: To: venue-selection@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007b5f3905a9c78533" Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Hiroshima X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 15:28:11 -0000 --0000000000007b5f3905a9c78533 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I attended IETF 76, the previous IETF in Hiroshima, and I found the venue to be conducive to a good meeting. It was, at the time, slightly more difficult to reach than Yokohama (which hosted other IETFs) because it required either a change of airports or a fairly long train journey. Since that time, Haneda airport has taken a larger share of international flights to Japan; that should eliminate the need to change airports for those who wish to avoid the train journey. regards, Ted Hardie --0000000000007b5f3905a9c78533 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I attended IETF 76, the previous IETF in Hiroshima, a= nd I found the venue to be conducive to a good meeting.=C2=A0 It was, at th= e time, slightly more difficult to reach than Yokohama (which hosted other = IETFs) because it required either a change of airports or a fairly long tra= in journey.=C2=A0 Since that time, Haneda airport has taken a larger share = of international flights to Japan; that should eliminate the need to change= airports for those who wish to avoid the train journey.
regards,

Ted Hardie

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I am not a fan of traveling to Hiroshima. The BBF has met there a = handful of times, and I've been, but I'm perplexed as to why we'd go = there when there's Tokyo, which is a direct flight for a lot of us, has = far more to offer in terms of accommodations/food/things to do, and for = those who want to explore Japan, they'll often connect in Tokyo anyhow. = I'd strongly prefer NOT to have Hiroshima as a city on the list. I = understand we might want to change it up a bit, but I don't see what the = upside here is, other than a change of scenery. 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